Star Trek's Utopian Vision: A Blueprint for the Future - Truth & Shadow

This conversation delves into the intricate connections between Star Trek, mythology, and the influence of Gene Roddenberry's experiences with the supernatural. It explores how the series reflects ancient narratives and modern societal issues, while also examining the role of the Nine, a pantheon of intelligences that may have inspired the show's themes. The discussion further touches on the implications of UFO phenomena, fringe Christian perspectives, and the utopian vision presented in Star Trek, culminating in a reflection on the prime directive as a modern reinterpretation of divine order. In this conversation, the speakers explore the themes of Star Trek as a reflection of human society, mythology, and the implications of advanced technology. They discuss the Prime Directive, predictive programming, and the portrayal of space exploration as a hopeful future. The conversation delves into covert operations represented by Section 31, the role of the Vulcans as ancient aliens, and the public's perception of alien disclosure. Additionally, they examine the dangers of transhumanism, eugenics, and the societal narratives surrounding overpopulation.

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and this is Truth and Shadow, your podcast of the supernatural.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
There are stories we tell because they entertain us, and
then there are stories that seem to tell us. They
pass through our imaginations like comments, igniting something ancient in
our minds, leaving behind the faint scent of fire and memory.

(02:44):
Star Trek, the original series, is one of those story
bright and utopian on the surface, but humming beneath with
a far older song and as a vision of the
future framed in the midst of the past. For the
starship Enterprise becomes a modern day Argo, and Captain Kirk
plays the role not just of an explorer, but of

(03:04):
an initiate. Some say there are nine of them, nine intelligences,
nine gods, nine voices, and they're speaking from across sentries,
masked in different guises, from the oracles of the pharaohs
to the glow of transistor tubes. Their names are not fixed.
They are gods, after all, but their influence has remained steady.

(03:26):
They have whispered behind thrones and appeared in seances. They
have claimed to shape the destiny of nations and guide
the evolution of consciousness. If that seems absurd, recall how
myth always cloaked its truths in metaphor. The burning bush,
the thunderbolt, the beam of the transporter light. Gene Roddenberry,

(03:50):
the man behind Star Trek, was invited to a seance
in the seventies, one that called upon the Nine. He
sat in the presence of an entity who claimed to
be one of them. The being spoke through a human mouth.
It claimed to have been guiding humanity for centuries. It
claimed many things. Soon thereafter, Roddenberry began to reshape the

(04:11):
philosophical underpinnings of his beloved science fiction series. The show
that began as a naval western among the Stars became
something else, a parable of human potential, seated with moral
codes and strange interventions. Gods and demigods began to appear,
not as religious figures, but as alien intelligences. They arrived

(04:35):
as computers, probes, energy beings, disembodied voices. They punished huberus
and rewarded mercy. They spent time and altered fate. Why
so many gods in a universe that claimed to leave
religion behind? And the episode Who Mourns for Adonis, the

(04:55):
crew encounters Apollo. Yes, that Apollo, living in isolation on
a remote planet. He reveals himself not as a deity,
but as an alien, as part of a race that
once upon a time visited Earth and was worshiped. We
came to teach, he says, But you have outgrown us.

(05:16):
The gods here are not divine. They're part of a
lost pantheon of manipulators. We outgrow them only in form,
not in presence. They are still there watching. And then
there's Assignment Earth, the season two finale that was intended
to launch a spin off, and at the Enterprise travels

(05:36):
back in time meets Gary seven, a human raised by
unseen extraterrestrials for the purpose of guiding Earth's development. His
masters are never shown. They operate from the shadows. They
speak only through technology. They claim to be good, but
we are never quite certain. Time and again Star Trek

(05:58):
returns to this motif intelligence. This is beyond comprehension. Beings
who claim ownership over human history. Sometimes they are cosmic judges,
as in the Squire of Gothos. Sometimes they test us,
like the Metrons and Arena. Sometimes they annihilate entire civilizations
as easy as breathing. But almost always they stand in groups, councils, tribunals, collectives.

(06:27):
Always they are nine in spirit, if not in number.
The nine gods of esoteric lore are not gods in
the classical sense. They are architects, trans dimensional engineers, perhaps
are remnants of a previous universe. They often speak through
mediums or influence those with power. Their fingerprints seem to
be found in the mythologies of Egypt and the Vedic Navagaras,

(06:48):
in the Nine Orders of Angels, and science fiction. They
often wear the faces of reason, progress, or universal law,
but behind the mask the old pattern. The anad is
a myth, the divine manipulation, not the origin of the Nine.
It is a prototype of their involvement. The gods squabble

(07:09):
over Anias, use him as an instrument, propel him across
the shattered world toward a destined empire. And that's till
we see the eternal dynamic. The mortal hero manipulated by
mortal Will. Kirk is another aniis so a spot with
his bloodline split between logic and emotion. So is every
human who steps into the transporter and disassembles their body

(07:32):
in faith that they will re emerge whole. In some ways,
Star Trek is the mythology of a post industrial priesthood.
Its bridge crew are robed in primary colors. They serve
a prime direct of a code of non interference that
is broken almost as often as it is uphill they

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venture into the unknown, where they are judged tempted. Remain
behind them always stand Starfleet, a federation that proclaims peace
while quietly enforcing order across the galaxy and the law
surrounding the Nine. It is said that their goal is
to prepare humanity for an evolutionary leak. That they communicate

(08:16):
through symbols, through mass media, through dreams, that they seed
ideas in the minds of artists, scientists, generals. And if
that's true, then Star Trek may be more than a show.
It may be a ritual, a guided revelation, a mask
for the transmission of mythic technology. And they call them myths,

(08:36):
God's aliens, archetypes. But I've seen enough to know the
line between fiction and control is paper thin. If the
Nine are real, whatever they are, they've been shaping us
longer than we've been writing stories. Star Trek wasn't just
a television show. It was disclosure in disguise, a test,
a signal, maybe even a blueprint. We laugh at ancient

(08:58):
gods and worships, but the same hands still steer the ship.
We think we're exports. Maybe we're just the cargo and
someone something is watching the stars when we finally figure it.

Speaker 7 (09:16):
Out to boldly go where ancient myths and modern stories intersect.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Consider this Star Trek. Is it more than science fiction?
Does it reflect archetypes as old as civilization? The Niad,
for example, the Egyptian Pantheon of Nine God seems to
resonate in surprising ways aboard the Enterprise, Captain Kirk reflecting
Horace's bold leadership, spot imbiding the wisdom and logic of Talk,

(10:13):
maybe even Doctor McCoy as Anubis. These parallels aren't just coincidences.
They reveal enduring patterns in human storytelling. What connects these
narratives across time and culture? The answers lie in the
symbols we return to again and again and assort this topic.
As the host of ministry X podcast, he is the

(10:33):
Alpha Quadrant detective, the Neutral Zone bandit. He has boldly
gone Daniel, Welcome to Truth and Shadow podcast.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Hey, thanks for having me Bt, of course.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
So for our audience, can you talk a little bit
about what you do in your podcast and ministry X
for example.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Sure. Well, ministry X sort of started out with this
idea that I could contribute to some of the fringe
Christian conversation that had been going on in the podcast Realm,
going back to maybe about two thousand and nine or so,

(11:18):
when I sort of entered this circle of Fringianity and
actually listened to Fringe Radio Network and a lot of
podcasts on the network for a long time and made
friends with the podcast hosts and eventually decided to do
my own podcast. So with the idea being trying to

(11:46):
sift through sort of these end time deceptions and really
reveal the nature of the programming and the messaging we
see in the media and entertainment, and like we're doing today.
How it parallels with you know, ancient narratives of the

(12:11):
gods and goddesses sort of battling over the future of
mankind and the destiny of humanity and all these deep
esoteric topics, and trying to connect it back to the Bible,
connect it back to a biblical worldview, and taking my

(12:33):
own experience with the occult and mysticism and that sort
of thing, and injecting my personal experiences because ultimately I
don't I'm not comfortable talking about things. I don't have
any personal experience with things that are secondhand information. Also

(12:58):
a lot of sort of dissecting narratives and and and
I think now we've gotten to the point where, especially
if you if you cover conspiracies and this sort of thing,
I think the individuals that have you could say, a

(13:20):
secret agenda, they sort of use our conspiratorial inquisitive minds
against us now to where if they can get us
to believe that the government is hiding some huge alien

(13:40):
plot or treaty that we signed with them, and get
people to believe that there's this big cover up, we
might actually miss what's really being covered up. So it's
kind of going down these rabbit holes and pulling up scripture,
and I jumped from alien topics to right now, I'm

(14:04):
doing Mark of the Beast, kind of doing a deep
dive on that. So it's kind of all over the
place in this sort of fringe Christian tradition, I guess.

Speaker 8 (14:17):
So.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, I've been doing that for about three years now.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Sweet. Yeah, Yeah, and that could be Your podcast can
be found basically everywhere. I mean, it's on iTunes. That's
where I go for podcasting, So it's gonna be on
iTunes and everywhere else.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
It's pretty much out there everywhere.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, fantastic. Yeah, we had been talking you and I
about some of our similar interests, one of them being
you know, star Trek It's and some of those things
that are kind of quirky about the whole whole story
and some of the weird connections that Gene Roddenberry had,
and I thought we could just let's just spend some
time We're going to talk about that. Let's talk about

(14:53):
Gene Roddenberry and his particular curiosities.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Absolutely, Well, and this this episode has been kind of
also a long time in the making. I go back
about a year ago and Johnny McMahon, the owner of
the Fringe Radio network, was trying to sell sell me
on this strange New World's series, saying, you know, it's

(15:20):
the best Star Trek since the original series, and you
got to watch it. He even went so far as
to buy me a Paramount Plus gift cards so I
could sign up for Paramount Plus and I could watch these.
And so I made some observations about that, and I,
you know, I'd heard that Gene Roddenberry had hung out

(15:44):
with with psychics and channelers and and this sort of
thing mentioned from time to time. And then I learned
about Andrea Puharik, the psychiatrist in the seventies who was
probably best known for bringing Uri Geller into public prominence,

(16:08):
and and just all these sort of intelligence connections and
how this tied back into the UFO alien abduction stories.
And I really started this podcast examining what's come to

(16:31):
be known as the Youmohax, which was a UFO incident
that happened in the nineteen fifties in Spain and France,
and it's not really well known in American UFO lore,

(16:54):
And so I started looking at UFO hoaxes as well.
I've never been there's a lot of UFO podcasts of
you know, true believers who believe aliens are visiting us,
they've been watching us from you know, other planets. I

(17:15):
am more skeptical of that view. I think it's a
much more nuanced phenomenon, a multi layered thing that's going on.
And there have been a lot of historical out and
out hoaxes, and you know, it's also come out that
our own military and our own intelligence agencies have been

(17:36):
involved in disinformation campaigns as well. So naturally, we're gonna
we're gonna get around to Star Trek, and we're gonna
get around to William Shatner also, and some of his
you know views about the environment and climate change and

(17:57):
that sort of thing. It's all tied into it. And slowly,
over the years I started realizing, well, this sounds a
lot like sort of the UN's goals for twenty thirty.
You know, we need to get rid of you know,

(18:17):
public ownership of weapons, we need to disarm all the nukes,
we need to all come together under a you know,
unified global government. And it seemed really odd that the
aliens would have the same sort of message that's being
pushed by these globalist organizations. It's right, what's the Green Party?

Speaker 4 (18:42):
The Alien Green Party?

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Right, And then you look back at the UMO hoax,
and it was the same sort of thing. You could see,
sort of human political commentary of the day of the day,
whether it was against you know, fascism or whatever, interwoven
in this sort of UFO mythology that they'd had woven

(19:04):
around around it. Because extraterrestrials give you more credibility. Well,
if the alien sees at this advanced race, you know,
has this idea of a more you know, utopian future
for the human species, well we should listen to them,
you know. So and then I think there's actually legitimate

(19:28):
phenomenon going on as well. So it's a really uh
difficult topic to uh sort out and unpack. So I
try and pick out one little thing per episode.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
And uh.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
So now we're you know, finally getting around to covering
this topic after you know, about a year of uh
starts and stops and so yeah, Gene Roddenberry, well, if
we even.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Talked about Uri Geller for a second, I mean, this
guy was obsessed. One of the major things that was
weird about him was he tied his psychic abilities to
the UFO phenomena. And I think that's something that probably
shouldn't go without note because if this guy is so
wrapped up in you know, a UFO, if I could say,

(20:24):
a UFO cultic belief, that he is in content that
all of his powers are coming from some kind of
psychic wave phenomenon. And it's the seventies. I mean, it's
just like, you know, the guy was I think he
was famous on television. He was pretty much basically like
a wild you know, like a flower child kind of
dude anyway, and so I mean it's like, you know,

(20:48):
he lived the yuppie hippie lifestyle, and I think that
goes to show where his mind would be on a
you know, basic on an extreme liberal end, if you
could say that progressive liberal end. But anyways, Gene Rodenberry

(21:11):
himself was into some of these psychic phenomenons too.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, So he would sit in on these seances and
these sessions that were held by this channeler at the time,
Phyllis Schwimmler, and I think I have that name right,
And she was also sort of the celebrity psychic of
the seventies, and like you think of the nineties, you

(21:41):
think of like Sylvia Brown was kind of like this
celebrity psychic Dion Warwick or whatever, So she was like
the celebrity psychic of the seventies. And Gene Roddenberry and
also people like Steven Spielberg were fascinating by, you know this,

(22:02):
these accounts where she would contact this Council of Nine
who said they were from they were from deep space,
they're responsible for the origins of humanity and imparting you know,
wisdom from the stars. And she would contact these entities

(22:24):
and Gene Roddenberry would sit in on these sessions. And
we don't have a whole lot of details as far
as particular questions that were asked, particular information that was exchanged,
but based on her writings, we can kind of tell
the content of most of these seances were centered around

(22:47):
these you know, non human intelligences that she was channeling,
and definitely, I think Gene Roddenberry's spoken about how that
was served as some inspiration for Star Trek and specifically

(23:08):
the Bridge Crew, you know, relating to the Nine, which
is parallel to the pantheon of Egyptian deities and the
Dynastic period of Egypt, like you said, and Deep Space nine,
you know, the another Star Trek spinoff series. You know,

(23:31):
these entities claim to be from deep space. There's nine
of them, and some of the concepts that you see
show up in the Star Trek films also tie into that,
and even the idea of uh, the borg ship, the cube,

(23:52):
the cube shaped you know ship. Supposedly all these things
came from these these channeled sessions that he's add in on.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Yeah, some of those sessions. If we talk about those
same seances, they had some of the big family names.
I mean, like, you know, someone of the DuPont family
was there. I mean, it's just the level of connection
to dare I say, ruling wealthy elite families being together

(24:23):
and doing seances and itself may not be kind of weird,
because I mean that's pretty normal that they do weird
things anyways. But the thing is is, I think they
believe in this stuff. And that's probably where the scary
part is. It's like they have as much faith in
whatever message they're receiving from the Niad that you or

(24:46):
I may believe in the scriptures in the Bible. I mean,
it's just that same level of faith. And I think
that's the kind of thing we're dealing with, and so
Roddenberry was able to draw these ideas potentially from the
results from these seances.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I the way I
see it, the seventies was sort of this sort of
renewed interest in spiritism, which kind of preceded the big
kind of new age self help like explosion that we

(25:27):
saw in the eighties and then but the origin of
this was really you know, the Cold War and the
space race and the nuclear arms race and all the
fear in hysteria, and so people were looking for alternative
explanations in so I think it's really like fascinating what

(25:56):
came out of these sessions. Is she really I mean
I don't think necessarily she's legitimately contacting non human intelligences,
or maybe she is, I can't say, But they certainly
believe that they were, And I think that's what we

(26:19):
need to focus on. Even if we don't we believe it's,
you know, just a bunch of kooks and wu wu stuff,
you know that if they believe it, and these are
people that are high society people, These are people with
a lot of influence and a lot of connections in
the military, in intelligence, in the university system. So it's important,

(26:46):
you know, even if we don't agree or believe, and
you know, as Christians, we don't give heed to non
human intelligences, you know, from other plans and it's you know,
as our authority for how to conduct our lives or
how to you know, transform the earth into a utopia

(27:08):
or whatever. But they do, and that that's the that's
their worldview, their paradigm, and it shapes the the politics
and the policies that that they get behind. I think
people are always like, well, you're a Christian, but all
I hear you talk about is UFOs and aliens and

(27:31):
Bigfoot and stuff, and like, well, I'm not trying to
convince you that, you know, the whole alien thing is
a hoax. I'm just trying to give you accurate information
to consider as a Christian, you know, I nor am I.
I don't need to convince you that, you know, Jesus

(27:53):
is the savior. I I'm going to try and give
you information on some of these topics and that's that's up.
The rest is up to you. But it's important to
see the different worldviews, the different viewpoints.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, one of the things that I think may may
be important to understand is an individual who can create
an entire science fiction story, an entire thing that has
gone from an original series to a next generation and

(28:30):
beyond Deep Space nine to what we have now.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Stranger worlds, strange new worlds.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Strange new worlds, and we're just we look at this
and we all go back and the foundations are on
Gene Runberry and Gene Runberry's vision of what the future
would hold. And I wonder how much of his ideas,
maybe maybe his ideas that are influenced by the people
he hung out with and this drive for a utopic

(29:01):
future may have played into creating this, uh, this story.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Sure, well absolutely, because that's what we see in the
Star Trek universe. It's all these The biggest, you know,
problem that they have to worry about is sorry, I
was I was thinking of something else. But I think

(29:33):
it's funny that you see sort of the racial equality,
but yet in the original series, you know, he's still
Captain Kirk, still has the female Bridge officers bringing him
drinks and stuff.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
And.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
You know, so it's interesting to see like the things
that that we've already like moved beyond technologically what was portrayed,
and you know, the early episodes of Star Trek versus
the things that still appear to be in the in
the future, you know, the warp drive and transporters and

(30:15):
and and that sort of thing. But you know, money
doesn't exist anymore. They don't use money anymore. But somehow
everybody has everything that they need and you know, whatever
problem they encounter, it's usually you know, resolved in sixty minutes,

(30:36):
and you know, we get done and we feel good
about we feel good about the future. If we could
just you know, all come together. And you know what
I think is is interesting that in the Star Trek
universe this, like you said earlier, the utopia is preceded
by a period of turmoil. And in Star Trek it's

(30:59):
like the eugen Ex wars. They have these you know,
World War three. You know, they narrowly escape, you know,
destroying themselves and destroying the planet. And this is the
same sort of thing that you get from you know,
tragedy and hope and that they're in order to transition

(31:19):
to this future utopia world there is going where it's
going to have to come out of some chaos, some calamity,
some global catastrophe, because otherwise human beings won't unite. We'll
just squabble among ourselves forever unless there's a global.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Threat, an external, external global threat, something right from outside. Yeah,
and and and we don't mean like the idea is
like not a virus or a bacteria, but literally a
foreign life form. M that's that seems to be the
dry being component that seems to push a lot of

(32:08):
these ideas. But see science fiction. Science fiction had been
a way of exploring the idea of a of a
new world in a lot of different ways. But Star
Trek did it differently. Right, you know, the end of
the world comes and then everybody is united. But then
they they're supposed to be like so much better off,

(32:28):
and you know, there's there's no more of this, you know,
there's no more poverty, war, et cetera. And they try
to show this when they do the movies where they
travel back in time and they show you know, modern
day nineteen eighties, well for them, because you know, back
in the time of the Voyage Home and you know,
I mean it's that's that's the era that that you're

(32:49):
living in. And so it's like, this is how backwards
everybody is compared to how refined we are in the future,
and it's kind of an interesting jab at modern society.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah. Uh. And then all our adversaries, now these are
from other regions of space, but it's like the Vulcans
are kind of like the Romans, and you know, the
Klingons are kind of like maybe the Mongols or something,
you know, and then these this sort of like human opera,

(33:21):
This human drama can play out on the interstellar scale now,
but it's still we still face the same sort of troubles.
It's just like you said, it's externalized now it's in
it's dealing with other species from other planets.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah, there was a there's a lot of the I
do understand the point of making a story and making
things that are a way to explore things that we
may be dealing with in the world. Right, Like you said,

(34:05):
it's the seventies eighties, it's the Cold War era, So
tos is really dealing with some of the things that
are going on. You know, there's the romulant threat, but
we don't really know much about it. They do sneak attacks,
and I mean it's just like that's know, Russian submarine stuff,
and it's just you know, yes, it is designed to

(34:25):
make us look at what we're dealing with and facing
every single day. But there's there's an aim behind it,
and that aim, while trying to sell a good story,
has its roots in something maybe a little bit more nefarious,
I guess I could say. So if we look at

(34:55):
this is the other thing that's really interesting to start
Trek two is they they've done screen first. I don't
know if you know this, but Star Trek was the
first TV series to have a white man kissing a
black woman. Yeah, first inner racial kiss on television. And
then Star Trek Deep Space nine was the first on

(35:19):
screen woman kissing a woman. So this is an actual,
like new This is a thing that they've had histories
of exploring, you know, things that are going on maybe
in the modern world, things that are people see or
interact with every day. Interracial couples to you know, same

(35:40):
sex attraction. I mean, these are all things that our
modern society faces every day, and it's being explored. Maybe
explored isn't the right way of saying it, but just
being flag planted on the TV screen and showing that
they acknowledge in the story what what is happening in

(36:01):
the real world.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
I think that's a real weird way of telling a
story too. Yeah, well, what about like Geene Roddenberry's beliefs, right,
is his religion or philosophy? What what do you think
would really influence or how would he use that kind

(36:24):
of influence on the screen. So, if we're talking about
the Bridge crew, I mean, what what would we be
looking for.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
As far as like his I don't really know a
whole lot about his personal religious beliefs. I think he
I think he was. I think he was pretty atheistic,
which it's not hard to figure that out from watching

(36:53):
the series. Nothing is spiritual, it's purely like scientific materialists
sort of worldview. In fact, a lot of the series,
a lot of the episodes spend a lot of time
sort of making a mockery or belittling the you know,

(37:18):
the the races of people out there on other planets
that still have primitive worship and and in fact view
the Enterprise crew as you know, the gods you know
in their you know, magical ship, And it's very much
pushing the idea that we've we've humanity long moved past

(37:41):
the sort of primitive ideas and embrace this sort of technocratic,
postmodern worldview, you know, and dismissed things of mythology. And
it's sort of it's parodied, it's it's it's a humorous
it's a source of humor in the series, and it's

(38:06):
sort of it mirrors sort of liberals society where we
sort of pay lip service to, you know, the disenfranchised
and minority groups and marginalized groups, but at the same
time we are pushing everyone into a this modern future

(38:34):
that's a multicultural society, and the old traditions, the old
religions have to suffer, have to have to become, have
to morph into something else. All gods have to matter
if we're if we're going to have this idea of
a god, then has to be all inclusive of all cultures.

(38:56):
And it's it's all the same thing. After all, it's
just people's beliefs about, you know, things. But ultimately it's
the it's a scientific endeavor that's going to prove to
be the ultimate reality or the ultimate truth. So and
I think that's pretty self evident, you know, watching the show.

(39:18):
The funny thing is that I don't agree with that
at all, but I mean, I love this series. You know,
it's it's it's it's nice, and it feels good. It
feels good to think, well, well, in the future, we're
going to finally figure out all our problems and we're
gonna we're gonna venture out into the stars as you know,
representatives of not just you know, America or Russia or China,

(39:42):
but the human race. And I think there's something in
that that sort of appeals to everybody. But if you
break down the fine details of what that means, it
definitely doesn't include God, it doesn't definitely doesn't include you know,
his you know, sovereign kingdom on Earth and any of this.

(40:07):
So without you know, reading any quotes from Gene Roddenberry
about his religious beliefs or lack thereof, you can kind
of derive that from just watching what he puts into
his show.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah, I was thinking about when you were talking about that.
What I was thinking is the prime directive, right, The
prime directive seems to be this order force that is
designed to basically say, hey, this is how you interact
with cultures that are inferior to you. And I'm like

(40:47):
looking at the potentials here, you know, I was looking
at the prime directive. Could it be some kind of
modern re enteration of the divine order that the enead
seems to follow. I think they called it mad, and

(41:08):
it's just it's this, it's this order where the elites
choose whatever, you know, the gods choose what humans do,
and it's kind of I mean, that's seems to be that.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, yeah, I can see that. The prime directive, it's
a it's a it's non interference, right, because we're more advanced,
we don't really have the right to interfere with the
natural evolutionary development of this other species. So it's sort

(41:50):
of like this, it's almost like this white guilt or
whatever that's that's projected onto onto other species. Now, like
you know, because of the Crusades and all the bad
stuff that you know, we did to these primitive cultures,
and uh, you know, in the future, we're going to
correct that by saying, you know, no, we're not going

(42:10):
to interfere with your culture. It's it's fine what you believe.
And you know, maybe we might feel bad if we noticed,
you know, there's an asteroid heading for your planet, and
you know, maybe we'll try and help you out then,
But otherwise, you know, we're going to stay out of
it until you develop, until you develop nukes, until you

(42:32):
develop warp drive, and then then we'll then we'll reach
out and welcome you to the Federation.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Yeah, just you know, I mean, if I were to ask,
you know, do you could, could Star Trek basically be
this I don't know vessel not to make a pun there,
but Star Trek could sure seem to serve as a
continuation of the ancient mythological traditions in this futuristic context.

(43:02):
And you know, you got to look at the ideas
the technology invested or technological investments in the show that
go from you know, pushing buttons like the old school
computers to walk around with flat devices in your hand.
I mean, the inventions that are mentioned on Star Trek

(43:25):
take about thirty years twenty thirty years before they're realized
and actualized and utilized. I mean it's just using desk
computers to talk to somebody across the world, basically. I mean,
that's what we're you know, we're doing and that was
something that was done sure as a as a storytelling device,

(43:45):
but now we're doing it and it's like, if you
look at it in that context, then it's like it
kind of removes the it kind of removes the conspiracy
a little bit. But like I said, it's it's just
enough story to tell us this re enactment of an

(44:06):
Eniad to make us buy into the ideas that there
could be this future of peace, but at what what cost?
And that that cost is played out in the TV
show TV shows, especially when I can't remember the particular episode,

(44:28):
but the uh, the original series crew comes across Apollo
the God and they interact and it's and it's this
really weird interaction because it's like, here's like an entity
that's a spirit force that's part of you know, the
the Greco Roman pantheon, but the Bridge Crew is the

(44:49):
Egyptian therefore older pantheon. And then that's the power struggle
plays out where we're, you know, the Bridge Crews, we're
actually the real people. You're you're just a make believe
thing because people have to believe in you to have,
you know, for you to exist. It's a really weird story.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah. Yeah. It takes like the old mythologies and sort
of turns them on their head, and it's it's an
it's updating basically the same function that that storytelling and
mythology had for ancient people back then, you you know,
gather around the fire and tell stories about your ancestors.

(45:34):
But nowadays we don't do that. We gather around our
TV or our phones and we stream stuff on Netflix.
So that's our that's our mythology, that's our stories.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Yeah. And then I mean you've probably looked at the idea.
You've probably looked at the idea of predictive programming. I mean,
this is throughout Star Trek. I mean what kind of
ideas could we I mean besides the technology stuff that
we spoke about, I mean, what other things do you
think we can look at that would be part of

(46:09):
that idea of a predictive programming.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I think it's it's forecasting a future really with the
understanding of quantum physics and quantum mechanics. You know that.
I guess that's part of the technology discussion. But you know,
the transporters, you know, being able to disassemble molecules and

(46:40):
reassemble them. And I think you see our ideas of
artificial intelligence certainly being explored. You know, they come across
a culture that's left this that's long died out, but
they left this record, this probe that's actually this interactive
thing that has this uh link somehow links to you,

(47:05):
and the technology of how they do it is not
quite explained or understood, but this is how they've maintained
the records. There a kashik records of their civilization or something.
So you see all kinds of those ideas, you know, uh,

(47:25):
predictive programming, I think a lot of it. It's not
necessarily a conspiracy or this overarching plot in every sense.
I think it's just a sort of subconscious way of
understanding our path through the future and and how we

(47:52):
might get there. It's it's I mean, it's it's the imagination,
which really the details of that is what I sort
of find fascinating. How these things are sort of conveyed
on a subconscious level, things as broad as like that

(48:15):
sort of the structure of a future society or just
education or what work will be.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Like, yeah, there's like this idea, and it's kind of
if I were to think about it, it's like, well,
if we look at when this series is kind of
kicking off too, I mean, you know, it wasn't too
many years before that we put a man on the Moon.

(48:47):
And I mean we've been launching, launching rockets into space.
But it's kind of like it was a system, a
program that really was a you know it, big pit
toilet of money. You just they were just dumping bucket
loads of cash in there, and they weren't getting very far.
And you know people sure, I mean you have, you know,

(49:10):
big names Victor von Braun and all the rocketry and
you know Jack Parsons. I mean, you know all the
normal names that JPL and stuff that would kind of
get thrown around for NASA things. But you look at
Gene Roddenberry and the TV series putting that kind of
TV series together. Sure, made in some Hollywood basement, but

(49:31):
I really think it was drawing money for the space
program and for extraterrestrial communications. I mean, I think that
that was a real thing. Like they wanted to not
just use seance ritual anymore to get a hold of
the Nine. They wanted to be able to make some
kind of transmitter to find where they are, you know,
inter SETI.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
I mean maybe even prepares for first contact. I mean,
you know, kind of that idea to make it where,
you know, to make people a little bit more open
to the idea of alien life being a constant, because
I mean it's like it's they're like everywhere, you know,
Vulcans on the Bridge crew and they aliens everywhere. You know,

(50:21):
you get used to seeing gorn. I mean, gosh, the
reptilians are horrifying looking. But I mean, you know how
many how many alien abductees talk about seeing a reptilian anyways,
and now here they are as a species explored quite
in depth on Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's fascinating just the
idea of why why create a satellite, why create a
rocket to go to the Moon and then Mars? What
is the what is the driving force behind you know,
space exploration, And I think Star Trek and sci fi

(51:04):
in general got people really excited about the future and
like just the it's it's inspiring to think that like
perhaps one day it seems possible that we can move
past these terrestrial problems that we have and and and
move into you know, space exploration. And Kennedy talked about,

(51:28):
you know, going into space, you know, peaceful in a
peaceful way, you know, for the good of all humanity.
And I think that's inspirational to people, and you had
a lot of you know, the pulp sci fi stuff
where aliens are just out to kill us and the
pod people and and that sort of thing. But also

(51:50):
there's the you know, the the aspect that you know,
our future is in the stars or there there's some
greater destiny and the stars for us as well.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Well. Yeah, and then on top of it, we've got
I do believe the newer shows really explored the Section
thirty one idea. I mean, this is kind of something
that's been bouncing around anyways. It's got a long history.
You can research and look at. Section thirty one's basically
the black ops, the covert black ops of Star Trek.

(52:24):
I mean, yeah, this is kind of where we get
the futuristic Prime directive. You know, it's like the time
traveling Prime direct if it's Section thirty one. But there's
more going on here with these people, and it seems
like if an idea is presented on Star Trek, it

(52:47):
seems to be designed to acclimate the audience. So the
majority to the idea of this thing being not so dark,
not so evil, you know. Enterprise with Scott Bakula really
explored Section thirty one and the ideas that you know,

(53:10):
you got some kind of time traveler, and it's like
all of these ideas and I and I think it's
basically the existence of a shadowy group mentioned in Star
Trek in the well in the Star Trek universe, I guess,
seems to really be hinting at, you know, real agencies
haunting operating, hauntingly operating in real life. It's kind of,

(53:34):
you know, just like saying, hey, it's real, and you know,
they tell us what you know. It's like they have
to tell us that they're doing it before you somehow
eliminate their karmic backlash or something.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, revelation of the method. Yeah, so this section thirty one,
this is it. This is something in the Star Trek universe,
you said, because I haven't. I've never really watched Enter
Prize with Scott Bacula. I never watched that series. So
that's referring to sort of the black projects in the

(54:08):
Star Trek universe.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
Right, So if anybody like, if you watch it from
show's beginning, the first mention of section thirty one outright
is in Deep Space nine where they get Chief O'Brien,
Chief O'Brien is basically a Special Section thirty one operative

(54:31):
and they go on missions and do covert operations. But
it's it's like this underlying undercurrent in a character. Maybe
a character. I mean, Miles O'Brien really didn't need more
character development. That dude basically held the you know, the
Deep Space nine together. But anyways, you know, it's just

(54:54):
this amazing way of saying, hey, we're doing these things.
It exists in Star Trek, it probably exists in real life,
and it's throughout and I think it's a pretty pretty
darn obvious thing.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
So maybe what's coming then with all this you know,
disclosure supposedly that's going on now, eventually we're going to
get to the point where they're going to say, well, yeah,
actually we did have these covert programs, and we did
have these secret access programs, and we did have this
arrangement with the aliens, but we didn't tell you for

(55:28):
your own good because you know, yeah, the Brookings Report,
you know, and this sort of thing, and this is
not going to be good for human society. But we
feel like you're ready now. So I think we've been
on this slow trickle of sort of UFO alien revelation
for like decades now, right, which to me because it's

(55:52):
such a slow rollout and there's so much conjecture regarding
it that it ultimately when we get down to it,
it's going to be a pretty major of major transformative thing.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Yeah, there's an idea or a thought, maybe even a
claim if you will, that basically the Vulcans with their
like their logical mind or you know, their kind of
particular advanced technology and you know, mind space and you
know advancements like you know, they they're telepaths or whatever.

(56:29):
They you know, they do all these different things and
they have you know, mind melds and Vulcan neck pinches,
and they can do all of these things that are
just like way more advanced than it seems like a
human can do. And it's like in the for the
you know, the story says the early years for the
Federation of Planets. You know, it's it's basically the Vulcans

(56:51):
are guiding you know, the humans on what to do.
And so basically, if you take that idea, it's basically
like the Vulcans are the ancient aliens and they've been
guiding mankind since the beginning, and it's kind of like
getting people acclimated to the idea so that when something
does show up quote unquote, they can just go, see,

(57:13):
we've been telling you about it this whole time.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Mm hmmm. Yeah, it's gonna seem by that point, it's
gonna seem normal, which it already kind of is when
we're having these disclosure hearings in Congress and people just
sort of are still kind of shrug their shoulders at it. Well,
I guess there's aliens. I guess. You know, these reputable
people in the intelligence agencies. You know, they wouldn't have

(57:39):
anything to hide or you know, no reason why they'd
be lying.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
You know, the same people who met it, who met
in the dark in some room channeling the nine forces.
I mean, yeah, no, they would never lie to the
man mankind at all.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
But what's amazing is people aren't freaking out about it.
Like people aren't. I mean, I guess there's an argument
to be made, like some people are sort of ditching
their their their faith and their religion for some you know,
UFO religion or something that includes their the alien brothers

(58:22):
in their theology or whatever. I think there'll be some
of that going on, but people don't seem to be
too panicked overall. So I mean, if they roll out
like Project Bluebeam tomorrow, I just wouldn't be surprised. I Mean,
people were saying, you know, when the drones flap was

(58:43):
happening over New Jersey, this is Project Blue Beam. They're
doing it. They're yeah. I was, well, yeah, okay, what
are you going to do about it? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:54):
I mean it's I mean that you know, all of
these things are pretty much consistent, and they're brought up
frequently throughout the story. And you know, we mentioned the
borg and the board cube earlier on in the episode,
and it's kind of like this representation of a warning
against what would be transhumanism, right, so basically humans, as

(59:17):
we continue to grow in our reliance upon technology, there's
like this warning that you'll lose your individuality and you'll
just become part of the collective. Right, And you stop
and you think about that, and you think about the
way predictive programming works, and the kind of algorithms that

(59:37):
are used on certain short form video media, and the
way that an individual can basically be exposed to the
same kind of agenda throughout the day at the same.

(59:58):
You know. It's basically, you know, it's based on the
same principles that work at a casino. It's designed to
get you kind of addicted to looking at the screen
because you get this reward for or this feel good
you know, release of endorphins for doing this thing over
and over and over all day long, and you're just
sitting there and you're just staring at a screen, and
you can you can watch somebody does something, somebody says something,

(01:00:22):
and then you can watch all of the people that
are just chomping at the bit to say something. And
it's like, as we're more and more relied on technology,
the more and more we think our voice, the world
is listening to it, you know, and it's it's just
a you know, this massive cacophony of sound that nobody

(01:00:43):
hears anymore. You know. I've gone camping where there's a
lot of mosquitoes and eventually the sound just goes away,
but they're still there, you know, And so it's it's
the same, you know, the more and more people seem
to be losing literally their individuality. They're part of this
elective consciousness, and it's kind of aimed at, you know,

(01:01:06):
the warning that there may be some you know, uh,
you know, neural implants or I guess one of the
other things with if I were to look at the
board from the nineties perspective, if I was to look
at it from a nineties perspective, not a twenty twenty
five perspective, because that's when it was introduced a surveillance
state because they could see everything, hear everything, know everything.

(01:01:30):
And so it's kind of like the idea that it's
gonna be this trajectory that you know, we can warn
people about. I mean, it's whatever. You know, there's there's
countries in the world that implement a social credit score
today and a social credit app and nobody, you know,
it's like you can't. You can use cash, but it's

(01:01:52):
very rare and they look at you funny, you know,
like a cashless society. So, I mean it's like those
are ideas that are explored in Star Trek, but we're
not really seeing them in the United States, where it
was born. But we are seeing that experiment played out elsewhere,
and I think that's something we should be looking at.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Yeah, it's almost like the the Borg represent the Borg
contrasted against like the Federation it's sort of this like
Hegelian dialectic setup, sort of like we want to go
into space, we want to explore space, but we don't
want to be the borg. We don't want to be
you know, this hive mind. Everyone can hear your thoughts,

(01:02:32):
monitor your thoughts if you if you go rogue, you know,
they just unplug you and you're done. And uh, but
we'll fall back on, you know, still having this sort
of human relationships. And we still have you know, green
plants in our in our in our quarters and and

(01:02:53):
uh still maintain a little dose of our humanity. But
they've actually excelted us to where, well we accept you know, uh,
a little bit of the transhumanism, which without the full
you know, the full uh, I guess the dark side
of the transhumanist future, but they do, they will get

(01:03:18):
us to accept some of the the trappings of that
of that projected future. Because I could never figure out like, well,
if this is if this is the direction they want
humanity to go to collectivism, you know, if this is
just you know, it's it's Marxism disguised as sci fi entertainment.

(01:03:41):
You know, if that's the direction they want us to go,
then why are the plot lines the Bord or the
enemy the Borg. We're the only the only specie to
stand up to the Borg and resist the Borg, even
though resistance is futile. They're the enemy. They're not They're
not the friend. They're not our friends. They're not. Yeah,
they're not an ally. So like I'm like, well, why

(01:04:03):
do they make these plots where you know, the robots
are the enemies, the aliens are the enemies. They don't
present themselves as our friends, right, even though I think
that that's ultimately what they're going to present us with
that the aliens are here to help us, They're here
to help us evolve, right, but that's not really what

(01:04:24):
they're programming. I think they're programming a fear response so
that we will respond with sort of an equal measure
of evolution, but under sort of our own ethical structure.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Yeah. I mean, if I were to make a claim
that kind of the Bord or some kind of anti
artificial intelligence situation, I mean that that would I would
have to make a really big stretch on that one,
mainly because the origin story for that particular species wouldn't

(01:05:02):
really match up. They're they're a biology, they were a
biological entity looking for perfection and they found perfection and machinery.
So it doesn't match that it's AI that would be
the perf I mean, because I mean, come on, AI
could do some really cool things, but then it can't
get fingers right, you know. So it's like, I'm not
really convinced that we're being warned I can't artificial intelligence.

(01:05:25):
At this point, it really seems like it's it's it's
probably a trans you know, a certain kind of transhumanism
could be an enemy of a globalist agenda m hm,
because a globalist agenda says that there are many races

(01:05:45):
of people, obviously, and they're all individual and they're all distinct,
whereas and whereas the transhumanism is they are all one
without any individuality.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we still want to we'll we'll
accept the the med beds and the the beneficial things
that that this future can provide, but we're not going
to go as far as you know this, you know,
all all or one idea. We still want to have
our individuality. But you know, we we really like the

(01:06:24):
holid deck. That's really cool, and and you know, the
those things, those things are Okay, We're We're cool with that,
but you know, I don't want other everybody else's thoughts
being shared with mine, and and and that sort of thing.
And I think we're I think we're heading towards this
sort of discussion more and more, uh in our society.

(01:06:46):
And you see it right now with the incoming administration
and the influence of Elon Musk. People are like, well,
we like what Elon Musk says, but he also says
that you know, we're we're heading towards this transhumanist future.
And it's it's which version of the transhumanist future do

(01:07:08):
you want to go with? Do you want to go
with total globalist, top down, technocratic control, micromanage every aspect
of your life eugenics or the more libertarian version of that.
So I think I think we're seeing that more. That's

(01:07:29):
that's the discussion of the future that we're going to see.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
I mean, if we were to look at the ideas
for like eugenics, I mean, Crisper is the one you
look at today, right, So, I mean, sure, you know,
the nineteen thirties and Margaret Singer in a handful of
other individuals who wanted a eugenics that was basically or
a future excuse me, they wanted a future that was white.

(01:07:54):
To say it very easily that that's a different kind
of eugenics than what we're really looking at. The idea
that you can sequence genes to be what you want
it to be. You want your child to be worn
with a different color eye than you, we can do that.
You want your kid did not have curly hair, we

(01:08:18):
can do that. We can do through the abilities of
Crisper program. And I mean that by program in individual's
genome genetic code to be what we want it to be.
And while that may not be something that's so I mean,
if you want your child to have green hair, you

(01:08:38):
can actually code that in using Crisper. So that's kind
of the future end of that. But at the same time,
with eugenics, the doctor can test the child and the
womb and say, this child has a fifty six percent
chance of having aspergers, would you like to terminate? And

(01:09:00):
that's eugenics. That is removing an unwanted thing from the
mainstream or the main flow of your society, removing in
my honest opinion, that autism is a is a creative force,
and if you remove all the creatives from the world,
all the artists. What are you left with, you know,

(01:09:20):
I mean seven of nine?

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
I don't know, right, Well, I mean they're already doing
like in places like Iceland. I think they because they've
had so many abortions. If they detect that your child
is down syndrome, well they abort the baby.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
So they've performing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Yeah, they've eliminated pretty much down Syndrome and Iceland. So
on the surface, people are like, well that's great, but
you are talking about eugenics and you're weeding out the undesirables,
whatever the undesirable trait might be.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Yeah, who gets to define the undesired les at the
end of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
And that's the whole transhumanist argument, is humanity controlling our
own evolution and wrestling that away from from God?

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
Yes, that's ultimately at the end of the day, if
we were to all go back and just say, hey, look,
the ones that get to play God are probably not
the ones that you want on your team. Right, if
you look through the historical data and the information of
anybody who has decided to play God for well, you know,

(01:10:38):
the wages, you know, the the needs of the many
outweigh the needs of the few idea which was explored
in Star Trek three. No, anyways, it was explored, and

(01:11:00):
you know, Spock sacrifices himself for the crew, and so
this idea that one person sacrifice to save many people
should be like a hands down obvious choice, right. I mean,
this isn't this isn't something that should just be looked
at because you know, you look at the whole story

(01:11:21):
and it's like, well, actually, the Starship could have ejected
its core and would have been fine, and I mean
that's all part of the story. You know, this thing
can be done where they just watch something in a
space and get away from it and it blows up
and everyone's fine. So the idea that you have to
sacrifice one person, a human life for technology seems to

(01:11:42):
be you know, a no go from the bad. I mean,
that's somebody saying that I'm going to choose to play
this moment as as God would choose it. And it's like, no,
I'm pretty sure God would not pick that, because you
have an alternative option that is merciful and is just.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Yeah, well, I think if you look throughout history, every
time we've tried to mess with human genetics through selective
breeding or whatever. It's always ended up being a bigger problem.
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Yes, the China one child policy actually is probably a
really good example.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
That's what I was thinking of. Yeah, in the.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Next couple hundred years, there will not be very many
Chinese people on the planet because of this choice.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Yeah, they're in like deep doo doo.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Now, Yeah, even since they've rescinded it, it doesn't matter.
There is no way that they can possibly recover from
the actions they chose.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Yeah. I have a friend of mine, a coworker, who's like,
the planet's overpopulated. We can't you know, the planet can't
sustain eight billion people, it can't sustain ten billion people.
I'm like, well it is if you just leave it alone,
because you know, human birth rates are declining already. You
don't have to, you know, engineer society in such a

(01:13:10):
way that, you know, we don't have children anymore. It's
going to happen as the as the as the eco
load or whatever on the planet reaches a certain point,
there's going to be certain mechanisms that kick in that
that will, you know, naturally reduce our numbers. We don't
need to interfere with that, like you said, like you

(01:13:35):
see in China now in Japan, it only takes a
generation or two and then it you can't reverse it anymore.
You can't reverse the process anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Yeah, I mean, just just to take take numbers, we
can take the entire population of the planet Earth, and
you can put them into the United State of Texas.
Everybody would have a space of thirty one feet by

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thirty one feet. I mean, sure that's not very big,
but that's each individual would have an area of nine
hundred and thirty six square feet, right, which is basically
the size of a small studio apartment. So everybody on
the planet would live in about you know, would have
the amount of space of a studio apartment in the
state of Texas. Now you look at the entire planet

(01:14:28):
and you tell me it's overpopulated. If I could put
everybody in one state in an area of that size,
we kind of are probably missing the mark.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yeah, I mean, I mean there's places here in Idaho
where I know, like no human has ever been before,
you know that ever, Like you know, I've.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
Driven past that on my way to Utah. I mean,
there's just miles of nobody forever, and it's northern California's
that way. There's miles of nothing. You know, I'm sure
you know it's They could say it's you know, grazing
range or whatever for cattle, but it's miles and acres

(01:15:08):
of nothingness.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Yeah, that's that's another big globalist push. Maybe the biggest
is is the whole overpopulation.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
Narrative.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
And I can remember back in high school, I did
a paper on overpopulation. And I mean I was back
in high school. My you know, I was pretty naive
and like we all are, I didn't know a whole
lot and yeah, I thought overpopulation, Well, man, if we
could solve overpopulation, we could solve all these other problems.

(01:15:42):
And you know, this is what they say at the
you know, World Economic Forum and stuff and and and
these are these are the arguments now that you hear
coming out of the mouth of like Klaus Schwab and
Bill Gates, and uh, if we could just solve the
overpopulation problem, then we solve hunger, we solve war, we
solve climate change, we solve all these other issues. But

(01:16:05):
when I wrote a paper about overpopulation in high school,
I mean I got like a plus plus. But they
loved that. Right, of course, you know, and this is
in the nineties, right, you know, And then then you
you realize, like this is a social engineering experiment, because,

(01:16:25):
like you said, if the you know, top one percent
who control you know, most of the world's assets, and
have condensed this power into into just a just a
small handful of people, well that's what they'd naturally want

(01:16:46):
to do to the rest of the population, the ones
that don't get killed off. We're going to hurt them
into little cities, and we're going to have these big,
wide open spaces that we can exploit for for you know,
mineral and oil and natural resources and stuff. And you
don't ever have to go there, you don't ever have
to see it. You don't have ever have to you know,

(01:17:08):
go beyond you know, your your fifteen minute you know,
walking distance to your store and your job and your
parents' house. It's going to be all right there, very convenient.
Everything will be delivered to you. Well, you've you've just
basically put people in a concentration camp and given them

(01:17:30):
some little trinkets and stuff to keep them occupied and
just enough to keep them from getting unruly. Meanwhile, you
control the you know, the fate of the rest of
the planet.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
Yeah, you know, let's see, if I were just go
back to graduation. So I graduated high school two thousand,
the global population was right around six billion, maybe even
six point one or something like that. Yeah, billion people,
and we're at like eight point seven.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
I think we're just over eight. I could could be wrong,
but eight point two something like that like that pretty close.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
And there's actually been a global birth decline of like
eighty two percent, eighty five percent. And we look at
the growth numbers between two thousand and twenty twenty five,
it seems like a really big number. I mean that's
like from six to eight's that's two billion people. But

(01:18:40):
then if you look at from twenty twenty five and
then another twenty five years, we're only looking at like
an increase of like nine billion, like eight hundred thousand
more people or eight hundred million more people excuse me,
eight hundred more million people would be between now and
in twenty five years, as opposed to an increase of

(01:19:00):
literally two billion in twenty five years that we've seen.
And so there's a global decline, and that global decline
has definitely been part of the eugenics idea, the idea
that certain people should be alive and not and the
aim that it's all human's fault for the way everything

(01:19:21):
works out, and that is something that is definitely said
in the Star Trek universe. You know, the whole reason
why they can they are where they are is because
of the Global war basically wiped out mankind kind of
and now they they think that they they're going to
do better, They're going to make it a utopia. And
that was ultimately Gene Roddenberry's idea of what a future

(01:19:42):
would contains is a future without God, because it was
God who caused the wars.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
I think it was the pilot episode of Strange New
Worlds where it's Captain Pike is sort of the emissary
to this their planet, and he sort of has this
PowerPoint presentation he wants to show them because they they
this particular species hasn't developed warp drive, they developed a

(01:20:10):
warp bomb, right, And that's how the series kicks off,
and he goes to explain, you know, how we did
this back in Earth's history and it all started when
people started to get different ideas about freedom, and I
was like, uh yeah, uh hm, we're not trying to

(01:20:32):
like paint the you know, patriots or anything like that
in a bad light, are we. Yeah, different ideas about freedom,
not like you know, the you know, the Constitution or
the Bill of Rights or you know, our rights come
from God or anything like that. Just you know, silly
ideas about you know, freedom is what kicked off this

(01:20:54):
old global catastrophe and uh yeah, just more messaging. You know,
it's the people that were questioning their government that caused
all these problems, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Yeah, you know some of the scariest words is I'm
from the government and I'm here to help.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Yeah, it was that Ronald Reagan.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
It was Reagan's Well, Daniel, it's been a great conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
Let the listeners know where they can find you. Obviously
you can find both of our shows on the Fringe
Radio Network. Yeah, but where can we find more of
Daniel X.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
You can find, like you said, my show on Fringe
Radio Network. I also do another podcast called the Fringe
Radio Network Roundup, which kind of does a week by
week kind of review of some of the episodes and
stuff that you'll hear on Fringe Radio Network. So I'm
doing that, me and Johnny kind of doing a lot

(01:21:57):
of behind the scenes stuff at the network, so you'll
find both those shows on the network. You can also
find ministry X wherever, like on any of your podcast
players or whatever, and you can find me. I'm on
x f RN Underscore daniel Underscore X. Since there's so

(01:22:18):
many daniel X's on Twitter on x that's where you
find me there, just search Daniel X. I'm also on
GAB Where else am I? I don't I'm not very
prolific with the social media stuff, but right that's the

(01:22:39):
best place to try, you know, GAB or X. I
would say you have a stack. I don't have a substack.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
That takes a lot of work. Too, fantastic. I'll make
sure all of those are in the show notes. Cool, okay, awesome,
appreciate your time. This is a great conversation and we'll
probably pick it up again.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, there's a lot more to cover
with this, I believe.

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