November 21, 2025 • 61 mins
Streaking through our solar system in December is the 3I/Atlas comet. It's only the third such interstellar object to enter our space on record. It's not acting like a typical comet. Several "scientists" have gone on record with serious questions as to what this object actually is. Is it just a space rock or something completely different?
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Today we have a show that at first I was like,
I don't know. I've been seeing this sort of bantied
about on YouTube and in articles that I was reading,
and I thought this is all just a fever dream nonsense.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah, I thought the same. And it's one of those
things too, is I mean, And I think a lot
of listeners know this. We usually try not to grab
anything to We let it percolate, let it think for
a little bit, let it let the news come out.
But this one's just once I started looking into it,
I'm like, okay, there's all the way to stop on this.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, this one's too fun and it'll give you something
to look forward to in December besides Christmas, and of
course Christmas very important. I get it, but this is
going to be if once you hear this show, I
think you're going to be interested to watch the Skies
in December.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Hey, hey, the most important thing that happens is December
is my birthday, so I don't forget that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
That's true. That's true.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
My wife's birthday is also in December, so there's a
lot going on there.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, December birthdays are the best.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So actually they're the worst because we get Christmas and
our birthday at the same time, and it pisses me
off to know it.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I can see that mine is six months away, and
it was glorious.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I used to This is horrible, but I used to
basically take anyone who gave me a Christmas and Birthday present,
and I would find out exactly when halfway between Christmas
and their birthday was, and I would show up at
their house and give them a Christmas and Birthday present.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
So here you go, and you did it to me,
I'm doing it to you.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, what we're going to talk about today is a
cosmic mystery that has been going on for quite some time. Surprisingly,
currently it's in the form of the three I at
Lias comet.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah, but is it a comment?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, that's what we're going to dive into. So let's
go back to nineteen seventy seven, because, as we're going
to discuss this today. I believe this is a good
starting point. There was a telescope in Ohio that was
named the Big Ear and it would scan the skies,
(04:26):
obviously listening for things, which is why it was called
the Big Ear. And I think we've talked about this
on some other of our sort of UFO related podcasts,
this Big Ear telescope. But for weeks nothing, there was
zero coming through but static. But faithfully, they had a
(04:46):
guy sitting there who was trying to hear anything and
then sort of translate it or whatever. Suddenly something did happen.
There was a perfect tone, described by the folks that
were there as impossibly clean, and it rang in at one,
(05:09):
four and twenty megahertz, and that's important if you've ever
gone back and listen to our episode. I think it
was maybe a midweek episode where I talked about the
different megahertz is of sound and how we ended up
with what we use as for music these days. According
(05:30):
to the charts, this is the universal frequency of hydrogen.
So there was a guy, his name was Jerry amen
ehm An. He's an astronomer and he was involved in
this project and he's reviewing this print out of this
tone the sound, and there's a bizarre spike in the
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signal strength and you can see it. There's screenshots of it.
You can see the spikes and how it's all laid out,
and he says it basically says wow wow with an
exclamation point, and it became known as the Wow signal.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Now and by the wow he wrote, like the way
it was like we see it up across computer screens
now and all that stuff. It printed out on the
paper and when he looked at it, he wrote on
the paper wow.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah with an exclamation mark. Yeah, it didn't it didn't
translate wow because we don't have a translation for that.
So if I was mixing you up there, I apologize. Anyway,
where did this all come from? Well, they pinpointed it.
It came from the direction of the constellation Sagittarius. According
to records, it lasted precisely seventy two seconds and then
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it was gone.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Which here's the thing that I find interesting in a
lot of this. We keep mentioning the Sagittarius. We mentioned
earlier that December is are the best birthdays. What is
in December Sagittarius?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
When do we get to see this in December. Yeah,
so since that time, since nineteen seventy seven, these scientists
have been pointing this telescope back towards that Sagittarius spot
for years obviously, Yeah, and it has stayed completely silent.
(07:29):
Never ever, ever again did any signal or anything remotely
interesting come through again. So according to this, it says
for nearly fifty years, no one has been able to
explain it. No satellites, no comets, no atmospheric interference fit
the pattern. However, July one, twenty twenty five, and this
(07:53):
is what we're going to talk about primarily. Today, NASA
announced the discovery of the three I Atlas, only the
third confirmed interstellar object ever to enter our Solar system.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Which is why it's called the three Eye. By the way,
that was one of the things when I first I'm like,
why is it called three Eye? Because it's the third
interstellar object.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Exactly, and you may have seen pictures of it. It's huge.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I mean, obviously we haven't been up close to it,
but by telescopic matters, based on other object in the sky,
this thing is big, yes, and it is roaring through
space at over two hundred and forty five thousand kilometers
per hour.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Which to give you an idea, we don't have a
rocket on planet Earth that humans have made yet that
could catch this.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, it's light years beyond anything that we could produce.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
If we fired a rocket, it could outrun the rocket,
every rocket we have.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yes, and according to this article that I'm reading, and
this is from some scientific research paper, it says it's
not bound to our Sun and estimates suggest it could
be nearly twenty kilometers across. It's massive, fast, and early
out of place. It's already drawing more questions than answered.
(09:27):
But here's the eerie part. Its trajectory traces back to
the constellation Sagittarius, the exact region where the WOW signal originated.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Now, by.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Odd standards like odds, what are the odds of this coincidence?
I mean, you could make a statistical case for a
possible coincidence, maybe, but on a cosmic scale, there's no
way it would be impossible. Brandon and I were talking
about this before. Statistically you could make a case for
(10:04):
let's say Brandon was leaving Houston. He's in his car,
a car passes him, he notices the make the model,
the license plate. Brandon a month later has his car
ship to Moscow. He's driving around in Moscow and that
very same car passes him. What are the odds minutely slim? Yeah,
(10:26):
almost impossible.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
These are less odds than that, Yes, on a cosmic scale.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
That they would come from this same place, both of
them coming out of sagittaries. I think one of the
things that I read said it was a nine degree difference. Yes, yeah,
from where the WOW came and from where three I came.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
So according to I looked up this sort of statistical
odds kind of thing of this. I just find that fascinating.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I'm not sure why, but according to another article, they say,
this three I Atlas has our raised eyebrows with its
unnervingly close passes to Venus, Mars, and Jupiter. A chain
of encounter is so improbable it sits below a zero
point zero zero five percent chance of likelihood, they say.
(11:18):
As it speeds towards the Sun, astronomers are preparing for
its closest approach on October twenty ninth, when it will
slip behind the solar glare in what is known as conjunction.
After that, Earth won't see it again until December, if
at all. We don't even know if it's going to
come back around. This thing could take off in another direction,
(11:41):
because this is acting like no comet anybody's ever seen before.
Usually comets, it's a direct path, it's a straight path.
They have a consistent speed. They may be slow down
as they lose mass. There's a big tail. Obviously we've
all seen the stereotypical comet's take. This thing defies all
(12:03):
of that. Yes, so what is this thing?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I would say, put a life perspective of, like if
there was no gravity and you threw a ball and
it would just keep going at one speed all the way.
This keeps slowing down and speeding up, which isn't It
could be explained, like you said, by gravity, you know,
loss of mass, stuff like that, but it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Places that don't make sense scientifically.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Not the speeding up part.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
No, not speeding up with slowing down. Because one of
the spots I was reading it said it's sped up
by like twenty percent or something, and they said to
do that, it would have if it would have been
from loss of mass, it would have had to have
lost like ten percent of its mass, which looking at it,
it hasn't well.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And even the tail that is behind it, it appears
and disappears.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
To say, what tale it's gone. At the moment last,
the last time they saw it, before it disappeared, there
was no tail. There was no tail right stopped existing.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
According to this scientist, this physicist, it's uh Darshak Rana says,
NASA and SETI scientists have long theorized that an advanced
civilization would understand hydrogen's universal significance. The signal being on
this frequency wasn't just coincidence. It was a message. Quote,
we speak the language of the cosmos. And then according
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to him also he says, the intensity of the wow,
the signal was staggering. It spite thirty times above the
normal background noise for a full seventy two seconds. Then
it vanished without a trace. No signal before or since
has matched it. And then he goes on to start
talking about this three I atlas and where it is
coming from, and the coincidences, like we said, are just
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well astronomical.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, so there's.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
A lot of theories around them. What is this thing,
where did it come from, where's it going, what's it doing?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And a lot of the stuff I have been reading
come from really one scientist who is I'll say, has
dared to speak out and say we're not sure.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I mean, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
His name is Avi Lobe, l Oeb and he's a
Harvard astronomer. He says that the three I Atlas is
the third ever object ever detected. We've kind of talked
about that.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
He says.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
While there's a wide consensus in the scientific community that
we're looking at a comet largely made up of carbon dioxide,
ice and so forth, Lobe maintains that the object has
many unusual properties that leave him suspicious that it may
be even something more exotic. And he says there's nine
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anomalies that caused him to raise his eyebrows and that
we may be looking at an alien mothership. Now I
know everybody's gonna roll their eyes and go, oh boy,
here we go. We're gonna talk about UFOs and this
is some sort of alien mothership. This is a Harvard astronomer.
Now we have talk down education and higher education on here.
(15:16):
A lot I get it. And this guy may be
a kooky, may be a whack job, and a lot
of the things that you're seeing right now were like,
it's actually a ufo. It comes from this guy Abby,
But we're gonna go through his nine points and we're
gonna weigh in on them. Let's see what he has
to say. Let's give the guy a chance, and then
(15:39):
we'll go and see what other people are saying in
relation to this, because, as we said, a lot of times,
there's a reaction to something, and then there's the reaction,
and then the reaction to the reaction, and then all
of a sudden you have memes and everybody's on TikTok
and YouTube and everybody going this is a fact and
not really no. So point number one, according to this
(16:03):
abvi lobe, it's trajectory is closely aligned with the Solar
System's planet, meaning. He points out that the mysterious visitor's
trajectory falls within just five degrees of the Earth's path
around the Sun or the ecliptic plane. He argues that
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there is only a zero point two percent likelihood of
this happening. So in Layman's terms, it's following our same path,
but just slightly a degree over. It'd be like a
shadowing something. It's shadowing our pattern, which is almost impossible. Again,
(16:47):
if you look into comets and what they do. They
don't do that, Yeah, not at all. They start somewhere,
they streak across the sky and they burn out, or
they sometimes they land on Earth, or they just keep
going off into the Solar system until they're dust and
it's over.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
This thing is not doing that.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
No, it's it's reacting ways that don't make sense. It's
like one of the things you look at, like Hayley's
comment that comes around in every couple what sixty seventy years,
whatever it is, I could look it up again, but
it has a loop that it goes and it just
follows that gravitational poll and gape's gone that way. We
know what it's going to do because it always does
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the same thing.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
They have it marked on calendars.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah, this is what.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Next to your time. It appears will be this date
in this year.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
And this three I atlas doesn't follow any of that.
It doesn't follow any logic at all. It basically to
give an idea, it'd be like if you're driving down
you know, I five, and then suddenly just took off
into the media and started driving to the media and
everything else.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
That's what this thing's.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Doing right, So point number two to AVI. He says
it has visited several planets in addition to its near
alignment with the ecliptic plane. The Atlas arrival time takes
it on a course right past Mars and Jupiter, both
worlds that intrigue our own scientists in the search for
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life beyond Earth. In what Lobe calls a quote remarkable
fine tuning of the object's path, earlier this month, the
object passed by Mars closely enough for two of the
European Space Agency spacecraft who were orbiting Mars to snap
photos of it. It is expected to come within just
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thirty three point three million miles of Jupiter in March
of twenty twenty six, which could allow NASA's Juno spacecraft
to intercept its path. So again, this is unusual, You say, well,
what is so unusual about that?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
If you look on a.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Constellation map and how this would be possible. This is
not a random object. This is just streaking across the sky.
It's actually going almost like it's visiting things.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
It's like it's sightseeing.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It's like, let's get close enough to see we'll run
some you know, phaser tests or whatever down there. See
if anything's going on else. Nothing there. Let's go to
this other planet. And obviously it's going to come by
Earth as well.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
It's like when you're driving across the country and something
you decide, you know what, I'm going to take this
little detour over here so I can see the largest.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Ball of twine, which can't happen.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It's happening.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, it can't happen if it's on a gravitational pull. Yeah,
it would blow apart exactly.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
So it going by these planets and within range. It's
basically like saying, hey, we want to take a look.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Let's take a detour, okay. Number three.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Astronomers have also observed that this atlas is growing a
second tail, which appears two points in the direction of
the Sun. Comets only have one tail because that's how
nature works, says. Many other comets have been observed to
have developed an anti tail, which is an optical illusion
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resulting from our relative positioning as it passes between the
Earth and the Sun. And that's true. It's an optical illusion.
It looks like there's two, but there's only one. And
it's just because of the filter of looking through space
and everything but however, Lobe says the three I atlas
second tail is an outlier.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
This anomalous anti tail, not a result of geometric perspective,
had never been reported before. For Solar System comets, the
ice fragments evaporate after some time, but because of the
enhanced mass loss in the sun facing side, more of
the bigger fragments can be reached at a large distance.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
So what he's.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Saying is it's not an optical illusion. It actually has
a secondary one which they've never seen before. What does
that mean. I don't know. There's always a first for everything,
but this thing's enormous.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
But the scary part is is not that we don't
know because we're not scientists.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
We do this for fun.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
We do some research, we look at things on the internet,
we listen to scientists, and we do all that stuff.
The scientists are saying they don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
A lot of them are saying that they're all intrigued
by this thing.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Which that's what gets me is it's one of those
things like if we say I don't know, we'll have
to look okay. But when the scientists that are like
the astrophysicists and everyone else that this is supposed to
be their job, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Know, and they have decades of study, you know, at
their disposal to go through.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
All right, Number four.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
According to Love's calculations, the diameter of its solid density
nucleus must be larger than three point one miles, a
measurement he inferred from an estimate mass of more than
thirty three billion tons. That would make it three to
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five orders of magnitude more massive than either the Umomu.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Is that how you say that?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Oh Omama and the twenty one Borisov the only two
other interstellar objects who have ever been observed careening through
the Solar System. Okay, so three to five times bigger.
What he's saying is is that of the two that
have entered before, this one is three to five times bigger,
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which according to them, from where it came from, how
long it took to get here and for them to
start observing it. Even if it started out that big,
it shouldn't be that big now now.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
It should have lost mass. Not how big was it
to begin with.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, that they don't know now, and that's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
They don't know that because when by the time they
picked it up, what they do know is that it
has gone by the sun and it didn't appear to shrink,
which is also very common because a lot of them
are carrying a bunch of ice and it gets melted
off and that's where the you know, the comet tale
comes from, and all this that's not happening here.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Now, so it doesn't seem like there's much ice. The
metal compound was different too, which we might get into later.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That's coming right now. The nickel to iron ratios are
off the charts. This is number five. Scientists have found
that the Atlas shows quote an extreme abundance ratio of
nickel and iron in its gas plume, making it a
major outlier when compared to the Borisov and other more
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familiar Solar System comets.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
At the distances at which comets are observed, the temperature
is far too low to vaporize silicate sulfide and metallic
grains that contain nickel and iron atoms, and this was
according to an international team of astronomers. Therefore, the presence
of nickel and iron atoms in commentary comma is extremely puzzling,
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so Lobe argues that the findings could indicate the presence
of quote industrially produced nickel alloys. So simply put, it
could be man made or made by some being out
in the cosmos.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, like this.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Thing could be hand crafted or tentacle crafted, or however
you want to put. The Martians whatever they have. It
is not a random object. Let's just say also number six,
its plume is mostly carbon dioxide ice, Okay. Researchers have concluded,
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by examining data from the spectro Photometer for the History
of the Universe that the three Eye at Lists comma
surrounding its nucleus appears to be a mere four percent
water by mass, bearing a much higher proportion of carbon
dioxide gas than any other comets. While Lob asserts that
(25:30):
this makes the object an outlier, some scientists, to be fair,
have argued the opposite. So there's a going back and
forth of this Like this. One guy, his name is
Carrie Lissy, who is a John Hopkins University astronomer. He said,
quote sphere x's findings very large amounts of vaporized carbon
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dioxide gas around the three Eye at Lists told us
it could be like a normal Solar system comet. But
then in a separate paper, an international team of researchers
suggested that the object may contain quote ice is exposed
to higher levels of radiation than Solar System comets, or
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it could have quote formed close to the CO two
ice line in its parent proto planetary disk. So they
don't know now they're guessing. So it's one of those
things where you can kind of read into it what
you want. If you think it's a UFO, you're like, oh, yeah, absolutely,
But if you're like, nah, it's not a UFO, you
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could actually back your argument up with this very same finding.
It's one of those that's very inconclusive.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
It all seems to be inconclusive on this one. That
was the hard part in researching this. There's so much
speculation and so much oddity that doesn't make sense. And
I get this is only the third one we've seen interstellar,
which really makes you wonder, out of our solar system,
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what's different because this one's completely different than every comment
that we've ever seen that stays in our solar system.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
And it's the first time it's ever appeared.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, that we've seen it anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Right, So number seven is it's extremely negatively polarized. The
mysterious object has also shown quote extreme negative polarization, and
this was detailed in a major whatever astronomy paper. Quote
the combination of a low inversion angle and extreme negative
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polarization is unprecedented among comets and asteroids, marking Atlas as
the first object known with such polarimetric behavior and representing
a previously unobserved population. And then Low wrote about this.
He says the finding suggests it has more in common
with trans Neptunian objects, minor planets, and other smaller objects
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orbiting the Sun beyond Neptune's orbit. According to the authors
of this research paper and Lobe, so again, they've never
seen it. They don't know. They're saying, this is actually
more in common with these other things that we're sort
of theorizing on. So again, could be nothing, could be
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a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Of things, could be everything.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Number eight we've kind of talked about it. It could
be the famous entity behind the WOW signal about the
Big Ear. According to this, Lobe argues that the Atlas
arrived from a direction coincident with the radio WOW signal
to within nine degrees with a likelihood of zero point
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six percent. I mean, it's almost impossible, yeah, that this happened,
But yet it did. Now, math is funny, universe is funny.
It was fifty years later. It could be a complete
coincidence and maybe everybody's making too much about it. Or
it could be everything.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It could have peaked around, sent a signal and says, hey,
we'll be back in fifty years.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I mean, we don't know. That's what's so intriguing about this.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
It's all crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Number nine, this is his last point as to this is,
you know, maybe much more than just a comet. Lobe
initially only listed eight reasons that he was suspicious of
its true nature. But as this thing approaches what they
call the Perihelian, scientists observed a quote rapid rise in
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its brightness, appearing distinctly bluer than the sun. Loebe says,
it's very surprising finding dust is expected to redden. I'm sorry,
dust is expected to redden the scattered sunlight, and the
surface of the object is expected to be an order
of magnitude colder than the five eight hundred degree 's
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kelvin at the photosphere of the Sun, resulting in it
having a redder color than the sun. However, it doesn't.
It's bluer, he says, quote we must therefore add the
blue color at the Perihelian as a ninth anomaly to
the list of unexpected properties of this strange interstellar object.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Does it employ a power source that is hotter than
the Sun. And I've also read a theory that you know,
we talked about the two comet tales coming off, and
the one isn't always there, but as it goes around
the Sun it appears. And a lot of people, scientists
impact not just folks on TikTok, are theorizing that it
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is some sort of a fueling system that draws energy
from the Sun into the ship. And then when it's done,
when it's full, like it's getting you know, filled with gas,
it's like a gas cap, it closes. So then that
secondary comet tale disappears because job done. You know, they
have some way of opening the portal and all of
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this stuff, and it's actually not exhaust as more as
as the Sun's energy is coming in, it looks as
if there's a tail.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Which I mean is very possible. And it's one of
those things.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
I mean, how many times we've talked about this before,
about you know, fantasy weely being reality that in movies
and stuff like that. You've seen where the sun was
the fuel for starships, you see it in I've seen
a different lot of different sci fi.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
In fact, Superman was powered by the red Sun. Which
it's one of those things. Who knows, Maybe that's what
it is. It's the power of the sun, solar power
to the extreme.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And here's an article that literally came out today because
I've had my setting set to grab anything that comes
up on this and this is from some new site.
Here's the headline. Three i atlass mystery deepens as object
approaches Earth. The interstellar Visitor accelerated to one hundred and
fifty two thousand miles per hour after passing the Sun.
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So it accelerated okay, according to this, defying typical gravitational
predictions and showing no gas emissions, says NASA confirmed that
the object's unusual motion represents a genuine anomaly. The observed
acceleration cannot be attributed to solar gravity alone, suggesting that
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unknown forces may be influencing its trajectory. This deviation from
predicted paths has sparked intense scientific interest and speculation about
what exactly is traveling through our cosmic neighborhood. According to this,
the object already ranks among the fastest interstellar visitors ever detected.
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It entered the Solar System traveling at more than one
hundred and thirty thousand miles per hour, which, of course
that's impressive. But it's gotten faster and sometimes it decelerates.
That's not a typical comet now. According to this, under
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normal circumstances, when a comet approaches the Sun, the increasing
heat causes ice on its surface to vaporize. This process
releases jets of gas that can alter both the comet's
direction and speed, creating the spectacular tales that make comets
so recognizable. But Atlas hasn't displayed any clear signs of
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such gas release, deepening the mystery surrounding the nature. The
lack of visible gas emissions become even more puzzling when
considering the math behind the object's traje actually change. Scientists
estimate that for the Atlas to shift its path in
the observed manner, it would have had needed to lose
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at least thirteen percent of its mass during its close
path with the Sun. A loss of that magnitude would
typically produce a large visible cloud of dust and gas
surrounding the object, kind of like when you see glaciers
calving as they say, you know, they fall apart. There's
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all kinds of dust snow you know, gas is released
and falls in the water, and it's just it's a
big deal. It's almost like an explosion. No such cloud,
nothing has been detected on this Atlas Commet. I'll put
that in quotes. So there's a lot of weird things
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with this, and if you go down the rabbit hole
of theories on this, it gets really crazy. I read
it everything from actually it's a government thing, this is
part of Space Force, and we're not even supposed to
be seeing it, and a lot of these guys are
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supposed to getting in trouble.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Then I heard that this Auvi lobe is a plant.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
He's pointing all these things out to misdirect the Russians.
I've heard that, of course they are aliens. They're looking
for us, and that's why they went to the other planets.
They're looking a place for a place to set up shop.
They're just passing through. I've read everything about this, and
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I really honestly don't understand how you can jump so far.
I know that the scientists have questions and they should. Yeah,
it's never been here before. They want to look at it,
test it, check it out, and maybe it is something intercellar.
It's certainly acting weird and they're certainly signed that point
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to this may be not just a random piece of
rock or ice or whatever comet happens to be rolling
through because it's not on any kind of schedule.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
No, it's not, I mean, or maybe it is. Maybe
it's the it's the guard change in the Moon. They're
they're coming through it to give to bring the new
guards for the Moon, since we're, you know, the prison planet.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Maybe they're transporting prisoners from one planet to the next.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Or like I said, it's the guards. I mean, because
I've argued this before. I mean, anyone who's listened to
my mid Weeks now that I've totally argued that I
think we're the prison planet of the universe because they
just that's why we're so violent and everything else. They
just and all the prisoners dead to Earth and the
guards are all in the Moon, which is a whole
nother episode that we've got to do again.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
But no, maybe they're they're just it's ship change.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Well, Hopefully there's going to be some information that is
gleaned because in December, and this is why I say
in December you may want to pay more attention to this.
I don't know that we'll be able to see it.
If you have a fairly high powered telescope, you might
be able to catch you know, it maybe look like
a little satellite going across the sky. I'm not positive,
but the James Web Space Telescope will conduct detailed observations
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of the three i AT lists an attempt to identify
any residual gas or material that ground based telescopes might
have missed. The powerful space based observatories advanced capabilities could
potentially reveal subtle emissions or compositional details that would help
solve the mystery. This investigation represents a crucial opportunity to understand,
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of course, what makes this thing so unusual? How's that
going to happen? Well, the telescope has infrared instruments that
can detect faint traces of gas and dust that remain
invisible to other observation methods. If any material is being
released from the object, that James Web should be able
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to find it. And that's key words.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Should should.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
They claim that the timing of these observations is critical.
As the three I Atlas continues its journey through the
Inner Solar System, scientists have a limited window to study
it before the object travels too far from Earth for
detailed analysis. Every data point gathered during this period could
prove essential for understanding interstellar visitors.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
And I did see a lot.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Of people because this is like, this is from NASA,
A lot of people jumped on that. See see they
said interstellar visitors. They know that's them telling us, No,
it's not. They're talking about it just being something new
to our system going through.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
They're saying, the comment is the visitor the object now
that there's actual like living beings on the object or
in the object.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Here is an article and it was an interview with
this ari Lobe which I thought was interesting. This person asked,
do we know about whether it's really a natural comet
or something else? And this was the answer, The three
I at list is most likely a comet of natural origin,
but there are, as we discussed, eight or nine anomalies
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that endow it with the rank of four on the
Lobe scale, which is what he calls his scale, where
the rank of zero is for a definitely natural interstellar object,
and a rank of ten is for something that's definitely
technological in its makeup. Yeah, so he gives it a four.
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Then he goes through a lot of the things that
we've already talked about, the gas plume and you know,
the polarizations and all that stuff. So he's asked, in
what do you think it is? So Lob says, we
have to collect as much data as possible. This is
a total scientist, right, Well, we got to collect all
the data.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
He says.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
The implication of alien technology would be huge, and therefore
we must take this possibility seriously. Our biggest rocket starship
is a hundred times smaller than the three i at lists.
So in case three i at lists is technological, its
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senders would have mastered capabilities that go well beyond our technologies.
And then I thought this was interesting. They asked him,
does the technological scenario compare to science fiction films? He
says science is better than fiction because nature might be
more imaginative than the best script writers for science fiction
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movies in Hollywood. Rather than imagining who our dating partner
might be, we would be better off observing our partner,
which I thought was a great answer, because we do
talk about a lot of times where you know, life
imitates art or does it? Is it Hollywood telling us
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predictive programming, they have some insight information or are they
using their imagination? And then there are those with money
and say, oh, I want that, and let's figure out
how to make that really happen. It goes both ways,
and I think it's and I think that's what's going
on with this thing. I think there are those who
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are absolutely hopeful that this is some sort of alien
technology because it would confirm all kinds of things and
you know, we're not alone. And and then some people
would be scared by that, and others would be like,
we got to capture that thing, figure out what this is,
who they are, what's going on, what are they doing here?
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And I think others are like, it's just part of
the natural origins of the cosmos. And yes, there are
some very bizarre and probably mathematically almost impossible coincidences, but
that has happened before. Just look at the game of baseball.
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Look at the game of baseball, and if you're not
a baseball fan, every year they put out this book
it's called the Baseball Bible. It has every single stat
about the game of baseball from its inception to the
most recent season played. And I mean it's every stat.
Who's the greatest left handed hitter on a Thursday night
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with the full moon on a second week of the
fourth month, and they will have that stat. Oh, it's
this guy, and then the ten guys below everything. What
are the odds of this or that? There are so
many bizarre odds and scenarios in the game of baseball,
yet they can track it, which is why if you
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ever listen to a baseball game, they will talk about
almost every game some record being said or something special happening,
because it's such a wild game, and the odds don't
lend itself to that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
But yet it happens all the time. That can also
translate into the cosmos.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
It can't.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
That's just how it works. It could be random. Now,
I have a theory. If we're gonna go down the
theory road, I think possibly. I don't know that I
believe this. I'm just saying this is a theory that
when they got the Wow signal, this thing was passing by,
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but it was on a slightly different trajectory and they
did not have the capability. They didn't know it was there,
so they didn't capture it when it came by fifty
years ago. So maybe it's on a fifty year path
and we just didn't know it because and you know,
before then, they didn't even have the ability to capture sound.
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It's so far out there. Up to this point, we
haven't even known it's been going around. Now it's a
possibility because our technology has caught up. We can basically
monitor everything. So first time around in our history, we
caught it signal and I think that will be confirmed
when it comes back around in December, if they catch
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a signal off this thing. Because look, space, things, things
streaking through space, they make sound. Space isn't just a
huge vacuum of zero noise. All that stuff up there,
it's making sound. And if this thing is that huge,
that big, it wouldn't surprise me that sound traveled at
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some you know, some speed and they captured it. Then
it went on by because it's going so fast. That
was all they caught and they're.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Like, what was that?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Because if it's coming from the same if it's coming
from the same region and the first time they captured
the sound, and this time it comes thrue. Now we've
seen it. It could have been doing this pattern and
all this stuff the entire time. That's just a theory.
I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there as
a possibility. It's just as much of a realistic possibility
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as that this is some sort of alien made spacecraft
which is playing uber runs around our solar system.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Either way, it could go either way. I mean, it's
one of the things.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
I mean, one of the arguments that I would come
up with is how do we know this isn't ours?
Speaker 4 (45:36):
How do we know this is that?
Speaker 5 (45:37):
You know, one of the things you've heard on the
midweeks I've talked about, how how do we know where
the first civilization? What if there was one before us
and this was you know, our whatever, the voyager or
whatever that we sent out in the seventies and this
is whatever they sent out and it's just gathered space
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dust and everything else as it went out and it's
on its trajectory back. Maybe that's why it's doing all
this stuff. It is because it is technological, but it's ours.
It just happened so long ago. We don't remember it.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Right, and you know, maybe this is the starship Enterprise
and they're trying to get home and we've lost we've
lost communication with them. We're on a whole other level
of communication now. So they don't know how to get here.
They can get close. Gravitation, the gravitational pull is pushing
them away, and so they just keep circling around.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
We don't know that. I mean, that's just as much
of a possibility.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I do think the thing to me that if I
were to go into the realm of okay, this, there's
some possibilities that this is not just your typical comment.
There's something greater to this. I still don't understand. And
I know I'm not a scientist, and I certainly was
not really good at any of this of that kind
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of math, that sort of quantum math and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
But the speed that it's.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Going out, the trajectory that it's going to where it
could speed up and slow down, to me seems suspicious.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
That is the part that gets me.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
That that's part to me that makes it very difficult
for me to say this is science, this is natural.
That makes me think technological, because what do you know
of a nature without the gravitational pole or anything like
that that will slow down and speed up. It's like
Newton said, an object without resistance will just keep going.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yes, and the trajectory that it takes, and you can
actually you can look it up. You can see sort
of this diagram where they show how this thing has moved,
the timing of it, because obviously we're all revolving around
in this great cosmos. It's timing to go by Jupiter, Mars,
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and Earth as they rotated into I'll just say, view
of it.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Like it didn't go.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Well, I'm Mars's way over there, so I'm gonna go there,
and then I'm gonna backtrack over here and catch Jupiter,
and then I'm gonna, you know, take a right turn
and hit Earth because he's way over there. No where
it started and how it came by. It is timed
to where it went through our system to where it
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passed Jupiter, and then as Mars was coming around, it
passed Mars. Then as Earth comes around, it's gonna pass
Earth at the same time.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Is that random? I don't know. It doesn't seem random.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
It doesn't and that's it.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
I mean, it seems like someone who I mean, it's
one of the arguments I always make with my wife.
It's like, you don't plan nothing before you leave the house.
Because we drove forty, you know, twenty miles this way
to go to Low's, to drive past the house, to
go another ten miles the other way to go to
you know, HB when if you would have planned it,
we could have hit them both in one straight line.
And that's how this is coming through in one straight
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line to say, Okay, you know Mars and Jupiter, I
want to check those out, So I'm gonna make sure
I go right past those and then make a loop
around the Sun to come back and hit.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Earth as they're moving in their natural progression. Yes, so
that it is set up perfectly so that when I go,
like if I'm going to just go straight and then
hang a left, I'm going to hit all three. Whereas
if I did it, I don't know, a month later,
they would be scattered all over the Solar system and
you could it would be impossible.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
The timing is and that's something that gets me with
a lot of this too, is like you said, the timing,
it's too perfect.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
I read a scientist who said this I thought he'd
put it very well. Said the non gravitational acceleration might
be the technological signature of an internal engine, and then
he went on to say that the reported non gravitational
acceleration which happened near the Sun might be regarded as
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a technological signature of a propulsion engine. That's the thing
that gets me. It slows down and it speeds up.
It's not losing the mass that it should. It's not
burning up as it goes by the Sun like most
comets do. A lot of people think of commets as, oh,
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they're fireballs that come down to Earth. Actually, as they're
streaking through space, they are a huge ice rock. And
that's why you see them light up, because as they
break into our atmosphere, then they burn up. But up
to that point, they are a frozen chunk of ice
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or rock or whatever it's you know, space matter. This
isn't acting like that. And so when it comes around
in December, I'm going to be fascinated as to.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
What the scientists find.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
And I got to tell you, I'm a little suspicious
as to whether they will tell us what they actually find.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
There's gonna be an official narrative.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
You know, like a lot of people said, oh, this
Avi Lobe, he's kind of the guy they're putting out there.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Everybody's paying attention to him.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
While over there you got a bunch of scientists who
are kind of freaking out gonna figure this out. And
whilst they haven't called Avi Lobe crazy, a lot of
them kind of chuckled, right, yeah, like, ah crazy Avi.
You know, I mean, yeah, a lot of these things.
But when it comes around, a lot of those things
don't make sense. But we're gonna make sense of it
and so forth. Are we gonna hear from him again
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or will he disappear? These are my questions. Are the
people who are going to study this and look at
this and gather the data if sound comes through again,
will they tell us.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
And will they be truthful?
Speaker 5 (52:14):
Or were they not tossed because they're not working because
there's a government shut down.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
There there is Well, the people at NASA may not
be on the job, So maybe that's what this is about.
Speaker 5 (52:27):
Yeah, they're hiding, and I mean it could be it
could be, Hey, you know, we want to hide this,
so we're gonna have this whole bickering between the two parties.
We're gonna shut down the government, So nobody sees this,
you know, alien beings that are about to like come
down to Earth and or there's no anything beams at
all and it's going to be blue beem.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Well, many people have pointed out the I would say
coincidence of the last year where NASA has come out
with all of their Hey yeah, there's a UAPs and
here's some video footage of you know, these UFOs, and
everybody greeted it with the collective yawn. Were they prepping
for the possibility because they've they've known this thing's coming.
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It just recently has become a thing, but it's they've
known about it for a while.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
It's like in the movie arm Again, where all of
a sudden they're like, oh, hey, we've seen this, we
know it's coming. Nobody's saying anything till a public telescope
sees it and then it becomes public. But until then,
don't say a word.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Shut up.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Here's the other question I have so NASA, when I
went onto their website, they have officially identified the three
I Atlas as a comet and not an asteroid. And
I don't know why I can't. I'm not sure what
their reasoning is. They gave no reason. I'm sure it's
out there. I couldn't find it. Maybe it's in some
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technical journal or something. But that's significant.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Because they do it they want.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
It's like when they made Pluto not a planet.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
You know, because an asteroid. To me, this seems like,
if you're gonna go with the theory, this would be
more like an asteroid massive rock, the chipped off of
some planet somewhere is sort of randomly floating through space,
which would explain why it's really on no serious trajectory.
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But no, they've said, oh no, this is a comet. Well,
comets are specific in their path, what they are, what
they do, what they look like, and how they act.
I found that significant, but I couldn't figure out as
to why they did that. I don't know what the
official reasoning is. So if anybody out there has that
(54:47):
I may have missed it somewhere, please send it to me,
because I do find that part fascinating.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
Yeah, it's quite interesting.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
We do know this.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
There's a lot of astronomers who have remained nameless or
like they'll say groups of astronomers, and I have seen
some names some people that put their names to it,
but a lot of them are concerned, and a lot
of them are scratching their heads about this thing while
at the same time going, eh, that crazy AVI out
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there talking about this might be an alien where in
reality they do not have the answers. And I think
it just depends on which way of the fence you
lean on. If you believe in UFOs, well you're gonna
find it here. You're gonna oh yeah, this all matches up.
There's no question, and you're gonna read into it that
if you like, there's no such thing, they don't exist.
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You can read the exact same data and go see,
this is all explained away by science. What I go
to is the scientist, and they are not in agreement,
a lot of them. Most of them don't have the answer.
And so we're waiting for December, which is why we
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decided to do this now, because normally we would just
wait until December was over, find out what they said,
and then kind of decipher that. But I think the
build up and the lead up to this is going
to be quite exciting personally.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
It's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
In closing, for those of you who are on whatever TikTok,
Facebook or whatever. So a lot of even celebrities and
Elon Musk is talking about it. I don't really care
about her, but Kim Kardashians is writing about it. A
lot of celebs and a lot of people are getting involved,
which also makes me very suspicious because why would they care.
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I think Rogan has had a guy on talking about
it and that kind of Stuff's like, well, maybe it's
a SiGe up.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
I just think it's going to be interesting. We don't
have an answer to this episode.
Speaker 4 (56:58):
It's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
I mean, we're gonna have wait till the I'm gonna
see what really happens, I mean, if anything. I mean,
I'll be honest, I'm kind of hoping it's like an
independence there or something. I mean at this point, I mean,
it might be better than the world that we have,
make the human race actually start caring about each other
again by basically by attacking it. I mean, it's one
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of those things that we don't know. I mean, is
it gonna be Aliens showing up or is it just
is it literally just a rock flowing around in the
in the universe?
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Right?
Speaker 2 (57:29):
So, do I think we all need to start or
continue prepping, and that we're going to get a big
power outage and there's going to be some intergalactic war.
I do find it interesting though, that we have this
Space Force going on and all this stuff. I wonder
if they're going to send somebody out and not tell us.
Speaker 5 (57:51):
Which There's nothing I could find on like what I
could find something NASA was talking about what they were doing,
you know, no plans for it, and I could find
nothing on Space Force, Like isn't this why we have
Space Force?
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Wouldn't you send something out there to kind of like
do a fly by or shadow it or I don't know,
it's kind of late now because it's gonna be gone
by the time they get up there.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Oh wait, it's gonna be gone by them.
Speaker 5 (58:17):
The only thing I'm gonna be mad about is if
all of a sudden it comes in and they invade.
I'm not gonna be able to see spaceballs too. That's
the only thing I'm upset about at this point.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
But I mean, it's maybe there, what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
They might be benevolent and showing here. It could be
an in flight movie from when they take you you know,
take us from here to wherever we're going.
Speaker 5 (58:37):
I mean, that could be where they're here. They're like, hey,
we've been waiting for this sequel for forty years too.
Speaker 4 (58:41):
I mean, who knows.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
I mean it's maybe they saw a Galaxy Quest.
Speaker 4 (58:47):
Yeah, that was actually a decent movie.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
So they're here for the archive, the archival footage they are.
Speaker 4 (58:53):
It's who knows.
Speaker 5 (58:54):
I mean, it's one of those, like I said, it's
it could be aliens, or it could just be a
rock floating through the universe. There's so much we don't
know about, especially being that it's from a different part
of the galaxy that has different materials. In a sense,
things are built differently there. That's why it's more nickel
than iron and everything else, and there's less water, hydrogen
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and more carbon and all sorts of different things. And
maybe that's why it's acting differently, because it's different than
what we used.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
To here, right.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
I hope we find out some answers. I think it's
just a random chunk of rock rolling through, but I'm
always open to the truth, and so if they come
back with some rock solid proof it does act weird,
there's obviously something interesting about this thing.
Speaker 3 (59:40):
So let's wait around.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
We will do a follow up when this all goes down,
maybe after the first of the year, we'll revisit this
and see what they found. But in the meantime, now
you know, when December rolls around, you'll watch your news
feed and if you have a high powered telescope, point
it to the sky, baby, and let us know what
you see.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
Stop looking at the neighbors and port after the sky.
Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
You get in trouble for that, so only if you
get caught. I have the midweek.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I have what I think is a very fascinating rabbit
hole that we're gonna go down. We're gonna go down
the rabbit hole of celebrities, and in particular Leonard Khne,
who's a musician, but celebrity assets of the CIA. There's
so many. It blew my mind, and I know it's
gonna blow yours too. So we're gonna go down that
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on Wednesday. Brandon and I will be back next week,
or maybe not. It may just be me and a guest,
We're not sure, but we will be here next week
with the brand new episode. In the meantime, email Us
Down the rh A Proton mail Down the RH at
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Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I'm Big d I'm Brandon. We're out of here.
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Fringeradionetwork dot com right at the top of the page.
I know, slippers. We gotta keep cleaning these chimneys.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Oh, welcome everybody.
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Check them out. A lot of great emails this week.
I have not responded to them yet. I'm going to
get to them.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
There were some good ones and so much we had
to think about so.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, and I've been very, very busy this week, so
I apologize. And it's not really going to slow down,
but I'm just going to set aside some time. So
if you haven't heard back from us, we're not ignoring you.
We'll get to it. You can email us at down
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Speaker 3 (02:07):
I promise, yes we will.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Today we have a show that at first I was like,
I don't know. I've been seeing this sort of bantied
about on YouTube and in articles that I was reading,
and I thought this is all just a fever dream nonsense.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah, I thought the same. And it's one of those
things too, is I mean, And I think a lot
of listeners know this. We usually try not to grab
anything to We let it percolate, let it think for
a little bit, let it let the news come out.
But this one's just once I started looking into it,
I'm like, okay, there's all the way to stop on this.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, this one's too fun and it'll give you something
to look forward to in December besides Christmas, and of
course Christmas very important. I get it, but this is
going to be if once you hear this show, I
think you're going to be interested to watch the Skies
in December.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Hey, hey, the most important thing that happens is December
is my birthday, so I don't forget that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
That's true. That's true.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
My wife's birthday is also in December, so there's a
lot going on there.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, December birthdays are the best.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So actually they're the worst because we get Christmas and
our birthday at the same time, and it pisses me
off to know it.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I can see that mine is six months away, and
it was glorious.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I used to This is horrible, but I used to
basically take anyone who gave me a Christmas and Birthday present,
and I would find out exactly when halfway between Christmas
and their birthday was, and I would show up at
their house and give them a Christmas and Birthday present.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
So here you go, and you did it to me,
I'm doing it to you.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, what we're going to talk about today is a
cosmic mystery that has been going on for quite some time. Surprisingly,
currently it's in the form of the three I at
Lias comet.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah, but is it a comment?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, that's what we're going to dive into. So let's
go back to nineteen seventy seven, because, as we're going
to discuss this today. I believe this is a good
starting point. There was a telescope in Ohio that was
named the Big Ear and it would scan the skies,
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obviously listening for things, which is why it was called
the Big Ear. And I think we've talked about this
on some other of our sort of UFO related podcasts,
this Big Ear telescope. But for weeks nothing, there was
zero coming through but static. But faithfully, they had a
(04:46):
guy sitting there who was trying to hear anything and
then sort of translate it or whatever. Suddenly something did happen.
There was a perfect tone, described by the folks that
were there as impossibly clean, and it rang in at one,
(05:09):
four and twenty megahertz, and that's important if you've ever
gone back and listen to our episode. I think it
was maybe a midweek episode where I talked about the
different megahertz is of sound and how we ended up
with what we use as for music these days. According
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to the charts, this is the universal frequency of hydrogen.
So there was a guy, his name was Jerry amen
ehm An. He's an astronomer and he was involved in
this project and he's reviewing this print out of this
tone the sound, and there's a bizarre spike in the
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signal strength and you can see it. There's screenshots of it.
You can see the spikes and how it's all laid out,
and he says it basically says wow wow with an
exclamation point, and it became known as the Wow signal.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Now and by the wow he wrote, like the way
it was like we see it up across computer screens
now and all that stuff. It printed out on the
paper and when he looked at it, he wrote on
the paper wow.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah with an exclamation mark. Yeah, it didn't it didn't
translate wow because we don't have a translation for that.
So if I was mixing you up there, I apologize. Anyway,
where did this all come from? Well, they pinpointed it.
It came from the direction of the constellation Sagittarius. According
to records, it lasted precisely seventy two seconds and then
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it was gone.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Which here's the thing that I find interesting in a
lot of this. We keep mentioning the Sagittarius. We mentioned
earlier that December is are the best birthdays. What is
in December Sagittarius?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
When do we get to see this in December. Yeah,
so since that time, since nineteen seventy seven, these scientists
have been pointing this telescope back towards that Sagittarius spot
for years obviously, Yeah, and it has stayed completely silent.
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Never ever, ever again did any signal or anything remotely
interesting come through again. So according to this, it says
for nearly fifty years, no one has been able to
explain it. No satellites, no comets, no atmospheric interference fit
the pattern. However, July one, twenty twenty five, and this
(07:53):
is what we're going to talk about primarily. Today, NASA
announced the discovery of the three I Atlas, only the
third confirmed interstellar object ever to enter our Solar system.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Which is why it's called the three Eye. By the way,
that was one of the things when I first I'm like,
why is it called three Eye? Because it's the third
interstellar object.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Exactly, and you may have seen pictures of it. It's huge.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I mean, obviously we haven't been up close to it,
but by telescopic matters, based on other object in the sky,
this thing is big, yes, and it is roaring through
space at over two hundred and forty five thousand kilometers
per hour.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Which to give you an idea, we don't have a
rocket on planet Earth that humans have made yet that
could catch this.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, it's light years beyond anything that we could produce.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
If we fired a rocket, it could outrun the rocket,
every rocket we have.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yes, and according to this article that I'm reading, and
this is from some scientific research paper, it says it's
not bound to our Sun and estimates suggest it could
be nearly twenty kilometers across. It's massive, fast, and early
out of place. It's already drawing more questions than answered.
(09:27):
But here's the eerie part. Its trajectory traces back to
the constellation Sagittarius, the exact region where the WOW signal originated.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Now, by.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Odd standards like odds, what are the odds of this coincidence?
I mean, you could make a statistical case for a
possible coincidence, maybe, but on a cosmic scale, there's no
way it would be impossible. Brandon and I were talking
about this before. Statistically you could make a case for
(10:04):
let's say Brandon was leaving Houston. He's in his car,
a car passes him, he notices the make the model,
the license plate. Brandon a month later has his car
ship to Moscow. He's driving around in Moscow and that
very same car passes him. What are the odds minutely slim? Yeah,
(10:26):
almost impossible.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
These are less odds than that, Yes, on a cosmic scale.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
That they would come from this same place, both of
them coming out of sagittaries. I think one of the
things that I read said it was a nine degree difference. Yes, yeah,
from where the WOW came and from where three I came.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
So according to I looked up this sort of statistical
odds kind of thing of this. I just find that fascinating.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I'm not sure why, but according to another article, they say,
this three I Atlas has our raised eyebrows with its
unnervingly close passes to Venus, Mars, and Jupiter. A chain
of encounter is so improbable it sits below a zero
point zero zero five percent chance of likelihood, they say.
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As it speeds towards the Sun, astronomers are preparing for
its closest approach on October twenty ninth, when it will
slip behind the solar glare in what is known as conjunction.
After that, Earth won't see it again until December, if
at all. We don't even know if it's going to
come back around. This thing could take off in another direction,
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because this is acting like no comet anybody's ever seen before.
Usually comets, it's a direct path, it's a straight path.
They have a consistent speed. They may be slow down
as they lose mass. There's a big tail. Obviously we've
all seen the stereotypical comet's take. This thing defies all
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of that. Yes, so what is this thing?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I would say, put a life perspective of, like if
there was no gravity and you threw a ball and
it would just keep going at one speed all the way.
This keeps slowing down and speeding up, which isn't It
could be explained, like you said, by gravity, you know,
loss of mass, stuff like that, but it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Places that don't make sense scientifically.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Not the speeding up part.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
No, not speeding up with slowing down. Because one of
the spots I was reading it said it's sped up
by like twenty percent or something, and they said to
do that, it would have if it would have been
from loss of mass, it would have had to have
lost like ten percent of its mass, which looking at it,
it hasn't well.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And even the tail that is behind it, it appears
and disappears.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
To say, what tale it's gone. At the moment last,
the last time they saw it, before it disappeared, there
was no tail. There was no tail right stopped existing.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
According to this scientist, this physicist, it's uh Darshak Rana says,
NASA and SETI scientists have long theorized that an advanced
civilization would understand hydrogen's universal significance. The signal being on
this frequency wasn't just coincidence. It was a message. Quote,
we speak the language of the cosmos. And then according
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to him also he says, the intensity of the wow,
the signal was staggering. It spite thirty times above the
normal background noise for a full seventy two seconds. Then
it vanished without a trace. No signal before or since
has matched it. And then he goes on to start
talking about this three I atlas and where it is
coming from, and the coincidences, like we said, are just
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well astronomical.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, so there's.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
A lot of theories around them. What is this thing,
where did it come from, where's it going, what's it doing?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And a lot of the stuff I have been reading
come from really one scientist who is I'll say, has
dared to speak out and say we're not sure.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I mean, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
His name is Avi Lobe, l Oeb and he's a
Harvard astronomer. He says that the three I Atlas is
the third ever object ever detected. We've kind of talked
about that.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
He says.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
While there's a wide consensus in the scientific community that
we're looking at a comet largely made up of carbon dioxide,
ice and so forth, Lobe maintains that the object has
many unusual properties that leave him suspicious that it may
be even something more exotic. And he says there's nine
(14:54):
anomalies that caused him to raise his eyebrows and that
we may be looking at an alien mothership. Now I
know everybody's gonna roll their eyes and go, oh boy,
here we go. We're gonna talk about UFOs and this
is some sort of alien mothership. This is a Harvard astronomer.
Now we have talk down education and higher education on here.
(15:16):
A lot I get it. And this guy may be
a kooky, may be a whack job, and a lot
of the things that you're seeing right now were like,
it's actually a ufo. It comes from this guy Abby,
But we're gonna go through his nine points and we're
gonna weigh in on them. Let's see what he has
to say. Let's give the guy a chance, and then
(15:39):
we'll go and see what other people are saying in
relation to this, because, as we said, a lot of times,
there's a reaction to something, and then there's the reaction,
and then the reaction to the reaction, and then all
of a sudden you have memes and everybody's on TikTok
and YouTube and everybody going this is a fact and
not really no. So point number one, according to this
(16:03):
abvi lobe, it's trajectory is closely aligned with the Solar
System's planet, meaning. He points out that the mysterious visitor's
trajectory falls within just five degrees of the Earth's path
around the Sun or the ecliptic plane. He argues that
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there is only a zero point two percent likelihood of
this happening. So in Layman's terms, it's following our same path,
but just slightly a degree over. It'd be like a
shadowing something. It's shadowing our pattern, which is almost impossible. Again,
(16:47):
if you look into comets and what they do. They
don't do that, Yeah, not at all. They start somewhere,
they streak across the sky and they burn out, or
they sometimes they land on Earth, or they just keep
going off into the Solar system until they're dust and
it's over.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
This thing is not doing that.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
No, it's it's reacting ways that don't make sense. It's
like one of the things you look at, like Hayley's
comment that comes around in every couple what sixty seventy years,
whatever it is, I could look it up again, but
it has a loop that it goes and it just
follows that gravitational poll and gape's gone that way. We
know what it's going to do because it always does
(17:28):
the same thing.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
They have it marked on calendars.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah, this is what.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Next to your time. It appears will be this date
in this year.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
And this three I atlas doesn't follow any of that.
It doesn't follow any logic at all. It basically to
give an idea, it'd be like if you're driving down
you know, I five, and then suddenly just took off
into the media and started driving to the media and
everything else.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
That's what this thing's.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Doing right, So point number two to AVI. He says
it has visited several planets in addition to its near
alignment with the ecliptic plane. The Atlas arrival time takes
it on a course right past Mars and Jupiter, both
worlds that intrigue our own scientists in the search for
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life beyond Earth. In what Lobe calls a quote remarkable
fine tuning of the object's path, earlier this month, the
object passed by Mars closely enough for two of the
European Space Agency spacecraft who were orbiting Mars to snap
photos of it. It is expected to come within just
(18:38):
thirty three point three million miles of Jupiter in March
of twenty twenty six, which could allow NASA's Juno spacecraft
to intercept its path. So again, this is unusual, You say, well,
what is so unusual about that?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
If you look on a.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Constellation map and how this would be possible. This is
not a random object. This is just streaking across the sky.
It's actually going almost like it's visiting things.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
It's like it's sightseeing.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It's like, let's get close enough to see we'll run
some you know, phaser tests or whatever down there. See
if anything's going on else. Nothing there. Let's go to
this other planet. And obviously it's going to come by
Earth as well.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
It's like when you're driving across the country and something
you decide, you know what, I'm going to take this
little detour over here so I can see the largest.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Ball of twine, which can't happen.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It's happening.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, it can't happen if it's on a gravitational pull. Yeah,
it would blow apart exactly.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
So it going by these planets and within range. It's
basically like saying, hey, we want to take a look.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Let's take a detour, okay. Number three.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Astronomers have also observed that this atlas is growing a
second tail, which appears two points in the direction of
the Sun. Comets only have one tail because that's how
nature works, says. Many other comets have been observed to
have developed an anti tail, which is an optical illusion
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resulting from our relative positioning as it passes between the
Earth and the Sun. And that's true. It's an optical illusion.
It looks like there's two, but there's only one. And
it's just because of the filter of looking through space
and everything but however, Lobe says the three I atlas
second tail is an outlier.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
This anomalous anti tail, not a result of geometric perspective,
had never been reported before. For Solar System comets, the
ice fragments evaporate after some time, but because of the
enhanced mass loss in the sun facing side, more of
the bigger fragments can be reached at a large distance.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
So what he's.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Saying is it's not an optical illusion. It actually has
a secondary one which they've never seen before. What does
that mean. I don't know. There's always a first for everything,
but this thing's enormous.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
But the scary part is is not that we don't
know because we're not scientists.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
We do this for fun.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
We do some research, we look at things on the internet,
we listen to scientists, and we do all that stuff.
The scientists are saying they don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
A lot of them are saying that they're all intrigued
by this thing.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Which that's what gets me is it's one of those
things like if we say I don't know, we'll have
to look okay. But when the scientists that are like
the astrophysicists and everyone else that this is supposed to
be their job, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Know, and they have decades of study, you know, at
their disposal to go through.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
All right, Number four.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
According to Love's calculations, the diameter of its solid density
nucleus must be larger than three point one miles, a
measurement he inferred from an estimate mass of more than
thirty three billion tons. That would make it three to
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five orders of magnitude more massive than either the Umomu.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Is that how you say that?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Oh Omama and the twenty one Borisov the only two
other interstellar objects who have ever been observed careening through
the Solar System. Okay, so three to five times bigger.
What he's saying is is that of the two that
have entered before, this one is three to five times bigger,
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which according to them, from where it came from, how
long it took to get here and for them to
start observing it. Even if it started out that big,
it shouldn't be that big now now.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
It should have lost mass. Not how big was it
to begin with.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, that they don't know now, and that's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
They don't know that because when by the time they
picked it up, what they do know is that it
has gone by the sun and it didn't appear to shrink,
which is also very common because a lot of them
are carrying a bunch of ice and it gets melted
off and that's where the you know, the comet tale
comes from, and all this that's not happening here.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Now, so it doesn't seem like there's much ice. The
metal compound was different too, which we might get into later.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That's coming right now. The nickel to iron ratios are
off the charts. This is number five. Scientists have found
that the Atlas shows quote an extreme abundance ratio of
nickel and iron in its gas plume, making it a
major outlier when compared to the Borisov and other more
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familiar Solar System comets.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
At the distances at which comets are observed, the temperature
is far too low to vaporize silicate sulfide and metallic
grains that contain nickel and iron atoms, and this was
according to an international team of astronomers. Therefore, the presence
of nickel and iron atoms in commentary comma is extremely puzzling,
(24:30):
so Lobe argues that the findings could indicate the presence
of quote industrially produced nickel alloys. So simply put, it
could be man made or made by some being out
in the cosmos.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, like this.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Thing could be hand crafted or tentacle crafted, or however
you want to put. The Martians whatever they have. It
is not a random object. Let's just say also number six,
its plume is mostly carbon dioxide ice, Okay. Researchers have concluded,
(25:07):
by examining data from the spectro Photometer for the History
of the Universe that the three Eye at Lists comma
surrounding its nucleus appears to be a mere four percent
water by mass, bearing a much higher proportion of carbon
dioxide gas than any other comets. While Lob asserts that
(25:30):
this makes the object an outlier, some scientists, to be fair,
have argued the opposite. So there's a going back and
forth of this Like this. One guy, his name is
Carrie Lissy, who is a John Hopkins University astronomer. He said,
quote sphere x's findings very large amounts of vaporized carbon
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dioxide gas around the three Eye at Lists told us
it could be like a normal Solar system comet. But
then in a separate paper, an international team of researchers
suggested that the object may contain quote ice is exposed
to higher levels of radiation than Solar System comets, or
(26:11):
it could have quote formed close to the CO two
ice line in its parent proto planetary disk. So they
don't know now they're guessing. So it's one of those
things where you can kind of read into it what
you want. If you think it's a UFO, you're like, oh, yeah, absolutely,
But if you're like, nah, it's not a UFO, you
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could actually back your argument up with this very same finding.
It's one of those that's very inconclusive.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
It all seems to be inconclusive on this one. That
was the hard part in researching this. There's so much
speculation and so much oddity that doesn't make sense. And
I get this is only the third one we've seen interstellar,
which really makes you wonder, out of our solar system,
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what's different because this one's completely different than every comment
that we've ever seen that stays in our solar system.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
And it's the first time it's ever appeared.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, that we've seen it anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Right, So number seven is it's extremely negatively polarized. The
mysterious object has also shown quote extreme negative polarization, and
this was detailed in a major whatever astronomy paper. Quote
the combination of a low inversion angle and extreme negative
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polarization is unprecedented among comets and asteroids, marking Atlas as
the first object known with such polarimetric behavior and representing
a previously unobserved population. And then Low wrote about this.
He says the finding suggests it has more in common
with trans Neptunian objects, minor planets, and other smaller objects
(27:57):
orbiting the Sun beyond Neptune's orbit. According to the authors
of this research paper and Lobe, so again, they've never
seen it. They don't know. They're saying, this is actually
more in common with these other things that we're sort
of theorizing on. So again, could be nothing, could be
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a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Of things, could be everything.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Number eight we've kind of talked about it. It could
be the famous entity behind the WOW signal about the
Big Ear. According to this, Lobe argues that the Atlas
arrived from a direction coincident with the radio WOW signal
to within nine degrees with a likelihood of zero point
(28:41):
six percent. I mean, it's almost impossible, yeah, that this happened,
But yet it did. Now, math is funny, universe is funny.
It was fifty years later. It could be a complete
coincidence and maybe everybody's making too much about it. Or
it could be everything.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It could have peaked around, sent a signal and says, hey,
we'll be back in fifty years.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I mean, we don't know. That's what's so intriguing about this.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
It's all crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Number nine, this is his last point as to this is,
you know, maybe much more than just a comet. Lobe
initially only listed eight reasons that he was suspicious of
its true nature. But as this thing approaches what they
call the Perihelian, scientists observed a quote rapid rise in
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its brightness, appearing distinctly bluer than the sun. Loebe says,
it's very surprising finding dust is expected to redden. I'm sorry,
dust is expected to redden the scattered sunlight, and the
surface of the object is expected to be an order
of magnitude colder than the five eight hundred degree 's
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kelvin at the photosphere of the Sun, resulting in it
having a redder color than the sun. However, it doesn't.
It's bluer, he says, quote we must therefore add the
blue color at the Perihelian as a ninth anomaly to
the list of unexpected properties of this strange interstellar object.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Does it employ a power source that is hotter than
the Sun. And I've also read a theory that you know,
we talked about the two comet tales coming off, and
the one isn't always there, but as it goes around
the Sun it appears. And a lot of people, scientists
impact not just folks on TikTok, are theorizing that it
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is some sort of a fueling system that draws energy
from the Sun into the ship. And then when it's done,
when it's full, like it's getting you know, filled with gas,
it's like a gas cap, it closes. So then that
secondary comet tale disappears because job done. You know, they
have some way of opening the portal and all of
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this stuff, and it's actually not exhaust as more as
as the Sun's energy is coming in, it looks as
if there's a tail.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Which I mean is very possible. And it's one of
those things.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
I mean, how many times we've talked about this before,
about you know, fantasy weely being reality that in movies
and stuff like that. You've seen where the sun was
the fuel for starships, you see it in I've seen
a different lot of different sci fi.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
In fact, Superman was powered by the red Sun. Which
it's one of those things. Who knows, Maybe that's what
it is. It's the power of the sun, solar power
to the extreme.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And here's an article that literally came out today because
I've had my setting set to grab anything that comes
up on this and this is from some new site.
Here's the headline. Three i atlass mystery deepens as object
approaches Earth. The interstellar Visitor accelerated to one hundred and
fifty two thousand miles per hour after passing the Sun.
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So it accelerated okay, according to this, defying typical gravitational
predictions and showing no gas emissions, says NASA confirmed that
the object's unusual motion represents a genuine anomaly. The observed
acceleration cannot be attributed to solar gravity alone, suggesting that
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unknown forces may be influencing its trajectory. This deviation from
predicted paths has sparked intense scientific interest and speculation about
what exactly is traveling through our cosmic neighborhood. According to this,
the object already ranks among the fastest interstellar visitors ever detected.
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It entered the Solar System traveling at more than one
hundred and thirty thousand miles per hour, which, of course
that's impressive. But it's gotten faster and sometimes it decelerates.
That's not a typical comet now. According to this, under
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normal circumstances, when a comet approaches the Sun, the increasing
heat causes ice on its surface to vaporize. This process
releases jets of gas that can alter both the comet's
direction and speed, creating the spectacular tales that make comets
so recognizable. But Atlas hasn't displayed any clear signs of
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such gas release, deepening the mystery surrounding the nature. The
lack of visible gas emissions become even more puzzling when
considering the math behind the object's traje actually change. Scientists
estimate that for the Atlas to shift its path in
the observed manner, it would have had needed to lose
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at least thirteen percent of its mass during its close
path with the Sun. A loss of that magnitude would
typically produce a large visible cloud of dust and gas
surrounding the object, kind of like when you see glaciers
calving as they say, you know, they fall apart. There's
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all kinds of dust snow you know, gas is released
and falls in the water, and it's just it's a
big deal. It's almost like an explosion. No such cloud,
nothing has been detected on this Atlas Commet. I'll put
that in quotes. So there's a lot of weird things
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with this, and if you go down the rabbit hole
of theories on this, it gets really crazy. I read
it everything from actually it's a government thing, this is
part of Space Force, and we're not even supposed to
be seeing it, and a lot of these guys are
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supposed to getting in trouble.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Then I heard that this Auvi lobe is a plant.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
He's pointing all these things out to misdirect the Russians.
I've heard that, of course they are aliens. They're looking
for us, and that's why they went to the other planets.
They're looking a place for a place to set up shop.
They're just passing through. I've read everything about this, and
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I really honestly don't understand how you can jump so far.
I know that the scientists have questions and they should. Yeah,
it's never been here before. They want to look at it,
test it, check it out, and maybe it is something intercellar.
It's certainly acting weird and they're certainly signed that point
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to this may be not just a random piece of
rock or ice or whatever comet happens to be rolling
through because it's not on any kind of schedule.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
No, it's not, I mean, or maybe it is. Maybe
it's the it's the guard change in the Moon. They're
they're coming through it to give to bring the new
guards for the Moon, since we're, you know, the prison planet.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Maybe they're transporting prisoners from one planet to the next.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Or like I said, it's the guards. I mean, because
I've argued this before. I mean, anyone who's listened to
my mid Weeks now that I've totally argued that I
think we're the prison planet of the universe because they
just that's why we're so violent and everything else. They
just and all the prisoners dead to Earth and the
guards are all in the Moon, which is a whole
nother episode that we've got to do again.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
But no, maybe they're they're just it's ship change.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Well, Hopefully there's going to be some information that is
gleaned because in December, and this is why I say
in December you may want to pay more attention to this.
I don't know that we'll be able to see it.
If you have a fairly high powered telescope, you might
be able to catch you know, it maybe look like
a little satellite going across the sky. I'm not positive,
but the James Web Space Telescope will conduct detailed observations
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of the three i AT lists an attempt to identify
any residual gas or material that ground based telescopes might
have missed. The powerful space based observatories advanced capabilities could
potentially reveal subtle emissions or compositional details that would help
solve the mystery. This investigation represents a crucial opportunity to understand,
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of course, what makes this thing so unusual? How's that
going to happen? Well, the telescope has infrared instruments that
can detect faint traces of gas and dust that remain
invisible to other observation methods. If any material is being
released from the object, that James Web should be able
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to find it. And that's key words.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Should should.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
They claim that the timing of these observations is critical.
As the three I Atlas continues its journey through the
Inner Solar System, scientists have a limited window to study
it before the object travels too far from Earth for
detailed analysis. Every data point gathered during this period could
prove essential for understanding interstellar visitors.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
And I did see a lot.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Of people because this is like, this is from NASA,
A lot of people jumped on that. See see they
said interstellar visitors. They know that's them telling us, No,
it's not. They're talking about it just being something new
to our system going through.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
They're saying, the comment is the visitor the object now
that there's actual like living beings on the object or
in the object.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Here is an article and it was an interview with
this ari Lobe which I thought was interesting. This person asked,
do we know about whether it's really a natural comet
or something else? And this was the answer, The three
I at list is most likely a comet of natural origin,
but there are, as we discussed, eight or nine anomalies
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that endow it with the rank of four on the
Lobe scale, which is what he calls his scale, where
the rank of zero is for a definitely natural interstellar object,
and a rank of ten is for something that's definitely
technological in its makeup. Yeah, so he gives it a four.
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Then he goes through a lot of the things that
we've already talked about, the gas plume and you know,
the polarizations and all that stuff. So he's asked, in
what do you think it is? So Lob says, we
have to collect as much data as possible. This is
a total scientist, right, Well, we got to collect all
the data.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
He says.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
The implication of alien technology would be huge, and therefore
we must take this possibility seriously. Our biggest rocket starship
is a hundred times smaller than the three i at lists.
So in case three i at lists is technological, its
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senders would have mastered capabilities that go well beyond our technologies.
And then I thought this was interesting. They asked him,
does the technological scenario compare to science fiction films? He
says science is better than fiction because nature might be
more imaginative than the best script writers for science fiction
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movies in Hollywood. Rather than imagining who our dating partner
might be, we would be better off observing our partner,
which I thought was a great answer, because we do
talk about a lot of times where you know, life
imitates art or does it? Is it Hollywood telling us
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predictive programming, they have some insight information or are they
using their imagination? And then there are those with money
and say, oh, I want that, and let's figure out
how to make that really happen. It goes both ways,
and I think it's and I think that's what's going
on with this thing. I think there are those who
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are absolutely hopeful that this is some sort of alien
technology because it would confirm all kinds of things and
you know, we're not alone. And and then some people
would be scared by that, and others would be like,
we got to capture that thing, figure out what this is,
who they are, what's going on, what are they doing here?
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And I think others are like, it's just part of
the natural origins of the cosmos. And yes, there are
some very bizarre and probably mathematically almost impossible coincidences, but
that has happened before. Just look at the game of baseball.
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Look at the game of baseball, and if you're not
a baseball fan, every year they put out this book
it's called the Baseball Bible. It has every single stat
about the game of baseball from its inception to the
most recent season played. And I mean it's every stat.
Who's the greatest left handed hitter on a Thursday night
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with the full moon on a second week of the
fourth month, and they will have that stat. Oh, it's
this guy, and then the ten guys below everything. What
are the odds of this or that? There are so
many bizarre odds and scenarios in the game of baseball,
yet they can track it, which is why if you
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ever listen to a baseball game, they will talk about
almost every game some record being said or something special happening,
because it's such a wild game, and the odds don't
lend itself to that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
But yet it happens all the time. That can also
translate into the cosmos.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
It can't.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
That's just how it works. It could be random. Now,
I have a theory. If we're gonna go down the
theory road, I think possibly. I don't know that I
believe this. I'm just saying this is a theory that
when they got the Wow signal, this thing was passing by,
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but it was on a slightly different trajectory and they
did not have the capability. They didn't know it was there,
so they didn't capture it when it came by fifty
years ago. So maybe it's on a fifty year path
and we just didn't know it because and you know,
before then, they didn't even have the ability to capture sound.
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It's so far out there. Up to this point, we
haven't even known it's been going around. Now it's a
possibility because our technology has caught up. We can basically
monitor everything. So first time around in our history, we
caught it signal and I think that will be confirmed
when it comes back around in December, if they catch
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a signal off this thing. Because look, space, things, things
streaking through space, they make sound. Space isn't just a
huge vacuum of zero noise. All that stuff up there,
it's making sound. And if this thing is that huge,
that big, it wouldn't surprise me that sound traveled at
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some you know, some speed and they captured it. Then
it went on by because it's going so fast. That
was all they caught and they're.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Like, what was that?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Because if it's coming from the same if it's coming
from the same region and the first time they captured
the sound, and this time it comes thrue. Now we've
seen it. It could have been doing this pattern and
all this stuff the entire time. That's just a theory.
I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there as
a possibility. It's just as much of a realistic possibility
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as that this is some sort of alien made spacecraft
which is playing uber runs around our solar system.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Either way, it could go either way. I mean, it's
one of the things.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
I mean, one of the arguments that I would come
up with is how do we know this isn't ours?
Speaker 4 (45:36):
How do we know this is that?
Speaker 5 (45:37):
You know, one of the things you've heard on the
midweeks I've talked about, how how do we know where
the first civilization? What if there was one before us
and this was you know, our whatever, the voyager or
whatever that we sent out in the seventies and this
is whatever they sent out and it's just gathered space
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dust and everything else as it went out and it's
on its trajectory back. Maybe that's why it's doing all
this stuff. It is because it is technological, but it's ours.
It just happened so long ago. We don't remember it.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Right, and you know, maybe this is the starship Enterprise
and they're trying to get home and we've lost we've
lost communication with them. We're on a whole other level
of communication now. So they don't know how to get here.
They can get close. Gravitation, the gravitational pull is pushing
them away, and so they just keep circling around.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
We don't know that. I mean, that's just as much
of a possibility.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I do think the thing to me that if I
were to go into the realm of okay, this, there's
some possibilities that this is not just your typical comment.
There's something greater to this. I still don't understand. And
I know I'm not a scientist, and I certainly was
not really good at any of this of that kind
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of math, that sort of quantum math and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
But the speed that it's.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Going out, the trajectory that it's going to where it
could speed up and slow down, to me seems suspicious.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
That is the part that gets me.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
That that's part to me that makes it very difficult
for me to say this is science, this is natural.
That makes me think technological, because what do you know
of a nature without the gravitational pole or anything like
that that will slow down and speed up. It's like
Newton said, an object without resistance will just keep going.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yes, and the trajectory that it takes, and you can
actually you can look it up. You can see sort
of this diagram where they show how this thing has moved,
the timing of it, because obviously we're all revolving around
in this great cosmos. It's timing to go by Jupiter, Mars,
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and Earth as they rotated into I'll just say, view
of it.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Like it didn't go.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Well, I'm Mars's way over there, so I'm gonna go there,
and then I'm gonna backtrack over here and catch Jupiter,
and then I'm gonna, you know, take a right turn
and hit Earth because he's way over there. No where
it started and how it came by. It is timed
to where it went through our system to where it
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passed Jupiter, and then as Mars was coming around, it
passed Mars. Then as Earth comes around, it's gonna pass
Earth at the same time.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Is that random? I don't know. It doesn't seem random.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
It doesn't and that's it.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
I mean, it seems like someone who I mean, it's
one of the arguments I always make with my wife.
It's like, you don't plan nothing before you leave the house.
Because we drove forty, you know, twenty miles this way
to go to Low's, to drive past the house, to
go another ten miles the other way to go to
you know, HB when if you would have planned it,
we could have hit them both in one straight line.
And that's how this is coming through in one straight
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line to say, Okay, you know Mars and Jupiter, I
want to check those out, So I'm gonna make sure
I go right past those and then make a loop
around the Sun to come back and hit.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Earth as they're moving in their natural progression. Yes, so
that it is set up perfectly so that when I go,
like if I'm going to just go straight and then
hang a left, I'm going to hit all three. Whereas
if I did it, I don't know, a month later,
they would be scattered all over the Solar system and
you could it would be impossible.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
The timing is and that's something that gets me with
a lot of this too, is like you said, the timing,
it's too perfect.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
I read a scientist who said this I thought he'd
put it very well. Said the non gravitational acceleration might
be the technological signature of an internal engine, and then
he went on to say that the reported non gravitational
acceleration which happened near the Sun might be regarded as
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a technological signature of a propulsion engine. That's the thing
that gets me. It slows down and it speeds up.
It's not losing the mass that it should. It's not
burning up as it goes by the Sun like most
comets do. A lot of people think of commets as, oh,
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they're fireballs that come down to Earth. Actually, as they're
streaking through space, they are a huge ice rock. And
that's why you see them light up, because as they
break into our atmosphere, then they burn up. But up
to that point, they are a frozen chunk of ice
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or rock or whatever it's you know, space matter. This
isn't acting like that. And so when it comes around
in December, I'm going to be fascinated as to.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
What the scientists find.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
And I got to tell you, I'm a little suspicious
as to whether they will tell us what they actually find.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
There's gonna be an official narrative.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
You know, like a lot of people said, oh, this
Avi Lobe, he's kind of the guy they're putting out there.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Everybody's paying attention to him.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
While over there you got a bunch of scientists who
are kind of freaking out gonna figure this out. And
whilst they haven't called Avi Lobe crazy, a lot of
them kind of chuckled, right, yeah, like, ah crazy Avi.
You know, I mean, yeah, a lot of these things.
But when it comes around, a lot of those things
don't make sense. But we're gonna make sense of it
and so forth. Are we gonna hear from him again
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or will he disappear? These are my questions. Are the
people who are going to study this and look at
this and gather the data if sound comes through again,
will they tell us.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
And will they be truthful?
Speaker 5 (52:14):
Or were they not tossed because they're not working because
there's a government shut down.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
There there is Well, the people at NASA may not
be on the job, So maybe that's what this is about.
Speaker 5 (52:27):
Yeah, they're hiding, and I mean it could be it
could be, Hey, you know, we want to hide this,
so we're gonna have this whole bickering between the two parties.
We're gonna shut down the government, So nobody sees this,
you know, alien beings that are about to like come
down to Earth and or there's no anything beams at
all and it's going to be blue beem.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Well, many people have pointed out the I would say
coincidence of the last year where NASA has come out
with all of their Hey yeah, there's a UAPs and
here's some video footage of you know, these UFOs, and
everybody greeted it with the collective yawn. Were they prepping
for the possibility because they've they've known this thing's coming.
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It just recently has become a thing, but it's they've
known about it for a while.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
It's like in the movie arm Again, where all of
a sudden they're like, oh, hey, we've seen this, we
know it's coming. Nobody's saying anything till a public telescope
sees it and then it becomes public. But until then,
don't say a word.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Shut up.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Here's the other question I have so NASA, when I
went onto their website, they have officially identified the three
I Atlas as a comet and not an asteroid. And
I don't know why I can't. I'm not sure what
their reasoning is. They gave no reason. I'm sure it's
out there. I couldn't find it. Maybe it's in some
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technical journal or something. But that's significant.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Because they do it they want.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
It's like when they made Pluto not a planet.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
You know, because an asteroid. To me, this seems like,
if you're gonna go with the theory, this would be
more like an asteroid massive rock, the chipped off of
some planet somewhere is sort of randomly floating through space,
which would explain why it's really on no serious trajectory.
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But no, they've said, oh no, this is a comet. Well,
comets are specific in their path, what they are, what
they do, what they look like, and how they act.
I found that significant, but I couldn't figure out as
to why they did that. I don't know what the
official reasoning is. So if anybody out there has that
(54:47):
I may have missed it somewhere, please send it to me,
because I do find that part fascinating.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
Yeah, it's quite interesting.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
We do know this.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
There's a lot of astronomers who have remained nameless or
like they'll say groups of astronomers, and I have seen
some names some people that put their names to it,
but a lot of them are concerned, and a lot
of them are scratching their heads about this thing while
at the same time going, eh, that crazy AVI out
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there talking about this might be an alien where in
reality they do not have the answers. And I think
it just depends on which way of the fence you
lean on. If you believe in UFOs, well you're gonna
find it here. You're gonna oh yeah, this all matches up.
There's no question, and you're gonna read into it that
if you like, there's no such thing, they don't exist.
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You can read the exact same data and go see,
this is all explained away by science. What I go
to is the scientist, and they are not in agreement,
a lot of them. Most of them don't have the answer.
And so we're waiting for December, which is why we
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decided to do this now, because normally we would just
wait until December was over, find out what they said,
and then kind of decipher that. But I think the
build up and the lead up to this is going
to be quite exciting personally.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
It's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
In closing, for those of you who are on whatever TikTok,
Facebook or whatever. So a lot of even celebrities and
Elon Musk is talking about it. I don't really care
about her, but Kim Kardashians is writing about it. A
lot of celebs and a lot of people are getting involved,
which also makes me very suspicious because why would they care.
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I think Rogan has had a guy on talking about
it and that kind of Stuff's like, well, maybe it's
a SiGe up.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
I just think it's going to be interesting. We don't
have an answer to this episode.
Speaker 4 (56:58):
It's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
I mean, we're gonna have wait till the I'm gonna
see what really happens, I mean, if anything. I mean,
I'll be honest, I'm kind of hoping it's like an
independence there or something. I mean at this point, I mean,
it might be better than the world that we have,
make the human race actually start caring about each other
again by basically by attacking it. I mean, it's one
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of those things that we don't know. I mean, is
it gonna be Aliens showing up or is it just
is it literally just a rock flowing around in the
in the universe?
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Right?
Speaker 2 (57:29):
So, do I think we all need to start or
continue prepping, and that we're going to get a big
power outage and there's going to be some intergalactic war.
I do find it interesting though, that we have this
Space Force going on and all this stuff. I wonder
if they're going to send somebody out and not tell us.
Speaker 5 (57:51):
Which There's nothing I could find on like what I
could find something NASA was talking about what they were doing,
you know, no plans for it, and I could find
nothing on Space Force, Like isn't this why we have
Space Force?
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Wouldn't you send something out there to kind of like
do a fly by or shadow it or I don't know,
it's kind of late now because it's gonna be gone
by the time they get up there.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Oh wait, it's gonna be gone by them.
Speaker 5 (58:17):
The only thing I'm gonna be mad about is if
all of a sudden it comes in and they invade.
I'm not gonna be able to see spaceballs too. That's
the only thing I'm upset about at this point.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
But I mean, it's maybe there, what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
They might be benevolent and showing here. It could be
an in flight movie from when they take you you know,
take us from here to wherever we're going.
Speaker 5 (58:37):
I mean, that could be where they're here. They're like, hey,
we've been waiting for this sequel for forty years too.
Speaker 4 (58:41):
I mean, who knows.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
I mean it's maybe they saw a Galaxy Quest.
Speaker 4 (58:47):
Yeah, that was actually a decent movie.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
So they're here for the archive, the archival footage they are.
Speaker 4 (58:53):
It's who knows.
Speaker 5 (58:54):
I mean, it's one of those, like I said, it's
it could be aliens, or it could just be a
rock floating through the universe. There's so much we don't
know about, especially being that it's from a different part
of the galaxy that has different materials. In a sense,
things are built differently there. That's why it's more nickel
than iron and everything else, and there's less water, hydrogen
(59:17):
and more carbon and all sorts of different things. And
maybe that's why it's acting differently, because it's different than
what we used.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
To here, right.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
I hope we find out some answers. I think it's
just a random chunk of rock rolling through, but I'm
always open to the truth, and so if they come
back with some rock solid proof it does act weird,
there's obviously something interesting about this thing.
Speaker 3 (59:40):
So let's wait around.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
We will do a follow up when this all goes down,
maybe after the first of the year, we'll revisit this
and see what they found. But in the meantime, now
you know, when December rolls around, you'll watch your news
feed and if you have a high powered telescope, point
it to the sky, baby, and let us know what
you see.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
Stop looking at the neighbors and port after the sky.
Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
You get in trouble for that, so only if you
get caught. I have the midweek.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I have what I think is a very fascinating rabbit
hole that we're gonna go down. We're gonna go down
the rabbit hole of celebrities, and in particular Leonard Khne,
who's a musician, but celebrity assets of the CIA. There's
so many. It blew my mind, and I know it's
gonna blow yours too. So we're gonna go down that
(01:00:32):
on Wednesday. Brandon and I will be back next week,
or maybe not. It may just be me and a guest,
We're not sure, but we will be here next week
with the brand new episode. In the meantime, email Us
Down the rh A Proton mail Down the RH at
ProtonMail dot com.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I'm Big d I'm Brandon. We're out of here.
Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
See hi, everybody, it's me Cinderella. You are listening to
the Fringe Radio Network. I know I was gonna tell them, Hey,
do you have the app? It's the best way to
listen to the Fringe Radio network. It's safe and you
(01:01:14):
don't have to log in to use it, and it
doesn't track you or trace you, and it sounds beautiful.
I know I was gonna tell him, how do you
get the app? Just go to fringe radionetwork dot com
right at the top of the page. I know, slippers,
we gotta keep cleaning these chimneys.
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