The Bark Side of the Moon with Marcus Ellis - Unrefined Podcast - Fringe Radio Network

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Speaker 3 (01:12):
I know where you live at I can get you
anytime I want to. I can't tell you how many
witnesses have come forward and said things like this.

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(01:55):
this week's episode. All right, all right, all right, you
guys back with us for this episode is a familiar
voice who's no stranger to the strange. Last time, he
brought you the kind of stories that stick with you
long after the episode ends, and we knew we had
to have him back again. Get ready to pick up

(02:15):
where we left off and head even deeper into the
woods and the unknown. Welcome back, Marcus Ellis, Marcus, thank
you for coming back on the show. We're glad you're here.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Man. You are so welcome, and I am absolutely tickled
and honored to be back with y'all. It's it's a privilege.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, we're doing this at night, and I'm in the
middle of the woods. Which are you in the woods, Marcus?
Where you live?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I am very much in the middle of the woods.
So if if you're going to get spooked, I'm all
be spooked right along with you.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and throw the first
pitch and get us going here because we want to
hear you talk more than us talk. Last time we
talked with you, we hit on bigfoot and we talked
about the mounds and all kinds of fun stuff with
your bigfoot stories and everything. So we've been hearing whispers
that there's been a lot of dog man sightings right

(03:05):
here in Mississippi. So you want to start us out
on that. What's been going on in Mississippi as far
as cryptids.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Well, to be totally honest, it's been a lot since
we last talked. A lot of things have happened and
changed in my cryptid world. About yeah, tell us about it. Sure,
about three months ago, Well, let me back up about
three years ago, I really pardoned the pun. I got

(03:32):
bit by the dog man bug. And you know, not
to say that I was not and am not still
interested in the bigfoot thing. Of course I am. But
I had left moof On And part of the reason
why I left Moufon was because of a new job
that I took that was very draining and taxing as

(03:54):
far as my time and my body. I've just come
home from work just beat. But I realized leaving Moufon
that I was missing being out in the field. I
missed getting out and being boots on the ground and
looking for stuff. And you know the crazy thing about
that is once I got and I don't mean this

(04:15):
disrespectfully against Mofon, I love Moufon. You know, Mofon didn't
do anything to me. They were always good to me.
And like I say, I stepped away because of my schedule.
But once I left Moufon and I had more time
to get back out into the field and do my

(04:35):
bigfoot thing. It led to a lot of adventures. It
led to two encounters, two personal encounters seeing bigfoot. And
you mentioned a moment ago before we went live about
you know, telling spooky stories and you're out in the
middle of the woods and I'm out in the middle
of the woods. Well, I'm only where I live at.

(04:55):
I'm only maybe eight miles as the crow fly where
I got bluff charged and saw a bigfoot a few
just a couple of minutes later, sneaking across the trail
trying to inch his way closer to where I was.
So that's how close I am to where you know,
we've got known concrete sasquatch activity. So that happened. And

(05:20):
then I had my first encounter where I actually saw
one over in another WMA and Sunflower County. So I realized,
I realized what I had been missing. I realized, you know, look,
UFO reports and all are cool, and I'm glad there's
people like move On doing it, but that that just

(05:42):
wasn't me. I'm more of a again, boots on the
ground kind of guy. So I kept hearing and reading
and seeing more and more about dog Men. It just
it was really just stirring my imagination. So I started digging.
I started getting off into it. And before this, and

(06:02):
we can talk about this in a little bit if
you want to, but before this, MK Davis, he had
a case over in the Skylake area. And you guys
always hear me talking about Skylake. That's where a lot
of my research takes place. Yeah, but a few miles
from Skylake an event occurred there that at first I
thought was dog Man, and it was proven beyond a

(06:27):
shadow of doubt that it was not dog Man. But
it is just a terrifying, frightening story in and of itself.
And again I'm trying to get to the answer of
your question. But what got me into dog Man was
because I started hearing reports of encounters here in Mississippi.
But they were real few. They were sparse, they were scarce.

(06:50):
I couldn't get anybody to talk. I couldn't get anybody
to come forward, and you know, you had these little
pockets on the internet, you know, giving drips and drabs encounters,
and I'm like, how do I get get around this?
And I wrestled with this for about three years and
finally first part of the year, I reached out to

(07:13):
a podcaster and his podcast is dog man centric, that's
pretty much it. And I reached out to him and
he called me and we had a.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
We don't care who I mentioned, mention who it is,
that's fine.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, okay, well, I mean I'll be happy to It
was Vic Condiff with uh, you know, his dog man podcast,
a dog Man Encounters Radio. And Vic was just really
really super nice and super sweet and he gave me,
uh he gave me a lot of names and telephone
numbers with people who who I could reach out to.

(07:49):
And I had been trying to reach somebody with the
North American dog Man Project.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Before we dive right into it. Just for our audience, Uh,
you will you define for us what you mean by
dog man because there's so many different definitions and I
know a lot of people out there say, well, what's
the difference between dog man and a werewolf? There's all
these questions out there. Can you kind of give us
your definition and your opinion? What is what is dog man?
What is the difference in it and the other cryptos

(08:17):
we talk about.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Well, the the way I view it is this. I
still have to go back to my tried and true
answer when somebody asked me a question, and that answer
is is d all of the above? However, I think
I think when you when you start, when you start,
if you really want to knuckle down and get to

(08:38):
what and where dog man, the definition of dog man
really come from, you have to go back to Linda Godfrey,
I mean, the Beast of Bray Road. She used the
Godmother of bringing dog Man to to the forefront and
people were laughing at her and thinking that was silly
and stuff like that. But to answer your question, dog

(08:59):
man is a huge, upright walking canid. The descriptions vary.
They're generally in the range of six to eight feet tall. Again,
they walk and motivate on their hind legs. They move
around on their back legs just like an upright walking human,

(09:20):
and they move just as well and just as easily
as a human. They can also drop down on four legs.
Go ahead and tell you this real quick. We can
talk about this in a minute. The dog men that
I saw out at Skylake, it was on four legs
and it was very very liquid. It was very fluid.

(09:42):
It was very graceful. So dog Man is again canine looking,
cryptid creature that if you watch the movie Underworld, if
you watch a Silver Bullet Bad, A lot of times
what people what people describe is a and and a

(10:06):
lot of times that's the only way they know how
to describe it. They will tell you, I saw a
weir wolf. I saw something that looked just like you know,
the creature from from this Hollywood horror film is what
I guess I do. I do remember the Highland. So
that's what a lot of people describe and they describe. Well.

(10:29):
The main thing that really sticks out and strikes people
about dog Man, other than the appearance, is the fact
that when they encounter these creatures, there is never never
a good outcome. You can have good outcomes when it
comes to encountering a sasquatch that can go in any

(10:53):
number of ways. You can have bad encounters where you
know you're bluff charged, where they're throwing rock at you,
where they're screaming, And you can have an encounter where
a big foot's across the way and it's it's standing
there waving at you. You know, there's reports of sasquatch,

(11:14):
but look, bit, it's true, but it's true. There's a report.
There's a report of a guy who was running a
chainsaw uh in his in his woods, on the land
on his property, and he knew that he was being watched,
and he felt like he was being watched by a bigfoot.

(11:35):
I think he was kind of aware of their presence. Well,
he got tired, went home, and when he got home,
he realized, Man, I left my chainsaw out there, you know,
at the stumps. He gets up the next morning to
go get a chainsaw. He steps out on the back
porch his chainsaw sitting there. So the sasquatch brought his
chainsaw home. And so you can have you can have

(11:59):
encounters with with bigfoot that are good and bad. Your
encounters with dog men ninety nine point nine nine nine
are going to be bad because what happens when people
see these things, when they bump into them, or vice versa.
There is an immediate sense of dread, there's an immediate
sense of fear, an immediate sense of terror, and it

(12:23):
it's it's it's just not a good healthy situation. So
so dog man encounters and dog man reports again along
with the sightings, are usually pretty traumatizing. People suffer from
post traumatic stress. You know, what I saw, thank goodness,

(12:45):
was like my sasquatch sightings. They were off at a distance,
So I guess I'll count myself lucky for that. But
I've I've talked to uh, I've got a good friend
of that's that's in the na DP, which I am
the State of Mississippi representative. I joined them about, uh
about three months ago, and they assigned me the state

(13:06):
of Mississippi, which was a really cool, thrilling honor. And
I think those guys, Jodie Cook, who is our founder,
and and you know, like I say, Vic Kundaff, he
helped lead me to them. But yeah, you know in
a nutshell that that that's your dog man. And the
appearances vary. They can have the appearance of a wolf. Uh,

(13:28):
you know, they're upper torso their head and body. They
can have the appearance of a German shepherd that seems
to be a very common one. Some are even purported
to have a hyena looking type appearance. And you know, none,
none of none of those things sound like something I
want to bump into at close quarters.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Marcus, Yeah, Marcus, I was just wondering if some of
the same sort of for I'm going to associated with
with dog Man that you hear about with some Sasquatch
sightings of like disorientation, like weird things like that range
smells that kind of nauseate and disorient people or you

(14:16):
both your your experience and the ones you've heard about
from others.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, I want to tag on that too and ask
any more supernatural stuff. I mean, just the nature of
the dog man is supernatural. But yeah, does he have
like super superhuman strength or can they they pop in
it out like sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
To answer both of your questions, the absolute answer is yes,
dog man exhibits a lot of the same abilities and
powers that some of your sasquatch can exhibit. They can
pop in, they can pop out. There are cases where
dog men, just like Bigfoot, have taken point blank rounds

(14:55):
from three point fifty seven magnums and sometimes it has
no In fact, sometimes they'll get knocked down, but then
they get right back up and they walk off. They
are able at times to mine speak. There are a
lot of cases where people have come forward and have

(15:18):
had them mind speak to them. And again this adds
to the fear and the fright, because some of these
witnesses have had dog men tell them I know who
you are, I know where you live, and I can
get you any time I want to. There are people
who have had encounters with them fifty sixty miles away.

(15:42):
They wake up in the middle of the night to
go to the restroom, they look out the bathroom winda
the dog men they saw fifty miles ago is now
standing in their backyard. People have woken up from dreams
and have had dog men standing in their bedrooms. So
absolutely yes, there is wow. There is a definite supernatural

(16:06):
paranormal bent to two dog men. Now, a lot of
encounters you you may not get that, but there are
a lot of encounters where you do get it. Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Some of that almost sounded like shadow people, shadow man
hat man territory. They're just waking up from a dream
and they're standing there. That sounds a lot like that.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Oh, absolutely crazy. You know, I don't know if any
of you guys have read the equal to Calm Killer
her in George Knapp's book To Hunt for the Skinwalker.
They did a follow up book called skin Walkers at
the Pentagon and one of the guys who was visiting
Skinwalker Ranch, they had some weird stuff happen. And this guy,

(16:54):
who's like hundreds of miles away, is a government employee.
He comes home and immediately inside the house, things starts
going haywire. They've got poultry goished activity. I mean, drawers
are flying open, cabinets are flying open, wine glasses and
wine bottles are hitting the floor. And anyway, this gentleman

(17:16):
had to go on a trip for the government and
while he was gone, I think it was his wife
and his two sons. They were there at the house.
Well one evening when the I guess the wife was
out getting groceries or something. The boys look out into
their backyard and there's a dog man standing there and

(17:37):
it's watching them, you know, it's looking at them. And
this dog man made several visits to the house. So
they guy goes to Skinwalker Ranch. Something attaches itself. The
old hitchhiker effect, and he comes home, the household goes nuts,
and then they've got dog men showing up in their backyard.

(17:59):
So I really feel like, I really feel like there
is a high probability that we are dealing with something
that when it's here, it's flesh and blood, it's it's
as flesh and blood as you and I are, but
when it goes it's not. And I have I've listened

(18:19):
to a lot of encounters that that now Martin Groves
and Darryl Denton are coming forth and talking about because
there they're still going up into the land between the
Lakes on a very very regular basis, and they had
an encounter with a dog man in the LBL, and
they both describe this thing as being physical yet translucent,

(18:43):
so that the land between the lakes is just just
busting wide open with dog man. And I'll tell everybody this,
you guys will absolutely eat this up. But if you
go to www dot North americandogmanproject dot com, right there
on the front page, the NADP, Jody Cook he was

(19:06):
contacted by some people that had been in the LBL
and they captured on thermal some really good video of
what appears to be a female dog man or dog
woman holding a pup. And this video, this case is
right there on our front page of our website and

(19:29):
it is absolutely mind blowing. It It's some really really good,
you know, footage, and the story is just fascinating. But yes,
dog Man is linked to absolutely. I mean, dog Man
is very much alive and well in the state of Mississippi.
And once I did two things before I joined up
with the NADP. I started digging, hunting, scratching, scrounging, trying

(19:53):
to find anything I could as far as dog man
encounters in the state of Mississippi. And I managed to
get my hands on probably about twelve cases that I
just scrounged and hunted for and they weren't high on detail.
And I will admit this to the listeners now, the

(20:13):
cases that I got from the NADP, they weren't high
on detail either. But I also talked to a good
friend of mine who was a big footer from down
in South Mississippi. And now there is a funny story
about a dog man encounter that it wasn't funny for
the people that involved but me and you will get
a chuckle out of it. But when I got through

(20:36):
doing my own digging, I had, like I say, probably
ten twelve cases that I felt like we were solid.
And then I joined the NADP and I reached out
to our computer it guy and I said, hey, can
you send me anything for the state of Mississippi. And
He's like sure, and he sent me like twenty five cases. Now,

(20:58):
some of them, some of them were repeats, you know,
it was a it was a double a double entry.
So I had to take a couple of them away.
There were one or two. And I gotta be real
careful here because I don't want to upset anybody or
tick them off again. I will, I will say it.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
We can edit out anything, we can edit out anything
needs to be okay, just let us know.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Well let me let me say this right now. And
and I am not I'm not saying this is not true.
I'm not saying the person who put this out is
telling a fib I'm not not doing that. But a
lot of times when you look into dog Man in Mississippi,
you always wind up pegging the map at Taylor, Mississippi.

(21:46):
And if you peg Taylor, Mississippi, you're going to peg
the siege of Lockett Ranch. That's just a story that's
that's out there, and if you go to looking for
dog man stuff in Mississippi, you're going to encounter that.
Now I have not personally, I have not been able
to substantiate that story. But the famous podcaster Dark Waters,

(22:09):
he's the guy who put this story out there. But personally,
I have not been able to substantiate that story. Now,
let me say this. One thing I can substantiate is
the fact that of the cases that I have found,
probably six to eight of them are all from Taylor, Mississippi.

(22:30):
So whether the Siege of Lockett Ranch took place, whether
it didn't, one thing that cannot be ignored is the
fact that there are a lot of cases from Taylor, Mississippi.
The representative for NADP from Arkansas, his name is Todd.
I talked to Todd one afternoon and he told me,

(22:51):
because Todd is a truck driver, he said, I've been
through Taylor, Mississippi a whole bunch. He's you know, why
would you not go to Taylor, Mississippi pass through and
see what you can find? And he told me people
in Taylor, Mississippi they're tight lift and they're probably not
going to talk to you, but he said the way
these some of the people acted their reactions, and the

(23:12):
few that he could get to say something, he flat
out told me he's there's definitely something going on in Taylor, Mississippi.
But it's not just Taylor, Mississippi. I have found and
got cases starting from way up north, going all the
way down to the coast. And uh, if you want
me to tell it to you real quick, I'll tell
you the It was a serious story. And then then

(23:34):
we have one that's kind of kind of humorous.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
And also too. While you're why you're telling stories. Have
have has there been an uptick of chupacabra sightings in
Mississippi as well? Have you heard that?

Speaker 3 (23:46):
The one one, the big case that I looked into
with m K which was a absolutely again pardon the pun,
a monstrous case that was that I don't know how
to say this. I put it like this, Your choop
of cabra in the state of Mississippi is much like
a cheop of cabrera that you see in Texas, Louisiana. Uh,

(24:10):
you know that's come up from Mexico and stuff like that,
and and your your your canines that get the mange.
I think it's called the coptic mange. When when you
see these animals with.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
These you see it on couties, you see it on counties.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
We see it on a lot of coyotes, a lot
of coyotes. But when when they get ate up with
that mange, you know, they're the most pitiful looking creatures
that you'll ever see. Your heart just breaks from. And
I know a lot of people don't like coyotes, but
I mean when I see pictures of these things, and
and there are a lot of pictures of alive and

(24:51):
dead ones from here in Mississippi, uh, that have that condition.
And yeah, when you see one at a distance or whatever,
it's going to be strange looking and it's going to
be odd. But at some point, you know, your brain's
gonna kick in and you're gonna go, Okay, that's that
that that's a dog, that's a coyoting. And that's what
the chupacabra pretty much is. We can debate sasquatch, we

(25:15):
can debate dog man, but what's being called a chupacabra
is a canine animal flesh and blood. Uh, there's been
bodies recovered, there's they've been shot, they've been killed, they've
been run over. There's just google choop Ofcabra in Mississippi,
and and you'll get five hundred pictures where people have
you know, taken photos of them and popped them up

(25:36):
on the internet. But the case that m case started,
this this was something way different that This was not
a coyote with Maine. This was a creature that was
in my opinion, I went back and I tore that
case down. I ripped it down to the dirt and

(25:57):
I started from the ground up and I went through it.
And when I got done, on my YouTube channel Unexplained Mississippi,
I put a video up called killer Chuop of Cabras
in Mississippi, and I did a deep dive in that
video talking about this case. And again we can talk
about that here in just a minute. But the creatures

(26:20):
that were killing all this livestock, and it was one
man's livestock. Again, it was directed, it was pointed, it
was aimed at one guy, and he lost pretty much
his entire livelihood to these two huge, monstrous looking things

(26:41):
that the game and fish people told him. And the
neighbor that me and MK interviewed that he was a
chup of copper, but the appearance was nowhere shape form
or fashion like your typical cup of cobbra. They were
too big, they were too freakish looking, they were too
evil looking. And again I'll give you some details on

(27:01):
what all these things did, but it was, in my opinion,
there's no way that those cup of icabras were anything natural,
anything normal. I felt like these creatures were something from
somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
And that's what do you mean by that? Explain that
to it.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
I believe that these creatures, like dog Man and like Sasquatch,
I believe these creatures had the or have the ability
to come into our realm and then to exit. And
when you look at what these things were doing. Okay,
I'll go ahead and tell you that, and then we'll
come back to dog Man. Let me grab this note here.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
So interdimensional type beings not you wouldn't think that the government,
I mean, this is going to really go to woo woo.
But you know, not something bioengineered by the government, but
something definitely supernatural like interdimensional is what you think?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yes, that that is my conclusion on this case. Cool,
what happened here? This guy and just going to refer
to him as the farmer. I don't want to give
his name out. Yeah, MK Davis. MK got a call
from this guy and this guy's neighbor and they said, hey, look,
we got something weird going on down here. We need

(28:15):
to talk to you. So MK goes. MK is thinking
that this guy's livestock. He's suspecting bigfoot at first, because
bigfoot will break into property and stuff like that. They
will take livetock, they'll take chicken, hens, goats that they've
been known to do that. But the scale. Once MK

(28:36):
saw the scale, he realized, no, there's something different here.
Of course, when he started interviewing the farmer and the neighbor,
he realized that it wasn't so the first time this
happened with the farmer. Let's just call this year one.
The farmer lost in one night, eighteen hawks. The heads
were cut or ripped off. The only thing that was

(28:59):
missing was the blood. All the blood was gone, and
they only ate the guts eighteen hogs virtually one night. Now,
I'm sorry, my gosh, but a mangy coyote with sycoptic man,
even a pack of them, is not going to do that.
So first time that this guy he I guess he

(29:23):
didn't know what he could do or who he could
reach out to, so he let it go. Now here's
the crazy part, and this is really going to blow
your mind. Almost a year to the day, one night,
the choopocabras returned and there's two of them. Now we
know that there's two in that area. Three hogs were killed,
nine goats were killed. Four fully grown horses were so

(29:46):
terrified they completely jumped the fence and headed for a while.
It took two days or so to get the horses
back located. All the blood was drunk and all the
guts were ate. None of the other body parts, meat,
you know, the main portions that would be meaty and tasty,
didn't touch that. It was the blood and it was

(30:08):
the guts.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
So MK is thinking that first abductions, is that something
like alien inductions kind of Marcus or is it way off?

Speaker 3 (30:18):
I'm not aware of anything. Well, I mean cattle mutilations. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it does sound like cattle mutilations. But the
thing of this was we had multiple eye witnesses of
people seeing these tupacabras in that area. This guy, after
this event happened he caught one of these things. He
was on his way home one afternoon and he saw

(30:40):
one of these things crossing the road and this thing
got in the middle of the road and stopped and
was like staring at it, and it was like, yeah,
I see you. So the farmer he takes his pickup
truck and he rams this thing with his pickup truck
and he knocks it several yards away from the front
end of his pickup truck. And he's sitting there looking

(31:01):
at this thing in the middle of the road and
he's like, uh huh, I got you. Hey back. Well,
he's just fixing to get out of his truck and
walk over and look at this thing. This thing stirs,
sets up, then gets up on two legs and walks
off looking at him, staring at him the whole time.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Now, the neighbor down the road. If you go watch
my video. Part of that video, me and m K
interviewed the neighbor. The neighbor and his wife one night
after the second killings took place. It was they were
fixing to go to bed that had cut the lights off. Well,
the gentleman goes to his back window, his bay window,
and he looks in the backyard and there's that sup

(31:41):
of cobber. He said that at the back, from the
back end of it, he's like five foot nine. He's
taller than I am. I'm five foot seven. And he
told me you you'll see him in the video. This
the back of this thing come up to his stomach.
The back of it.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Wow, And a.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Mangy coyote is not gonna come up to your bomach.
He said. It had a long head, a long snout.
It was completely hairless. It was nothing but skin, and
it was grayish. It was this this dull gray. He
said it had a long tail, and he said that
it looked evil. He said this thing was was totally

(32:19):
unlike anything he had ever seen. He calls his wife.
His wife comes and they stand there and look at it.
While they're looking at this one, another one comes up
out of the grass and it comes and stands beside
the first one. Now this one was shorter. The way
he put it to me in MK was he said,
I suspect that it was a female. And they had

(32:40):
a dog in the backyard, and we were like, well,
what was going on between the chuop of cobbers and
the dog? He said the sup of cobbers could have
cared less that the dog was there. The dog would
kind of walk up and kind of nip at him,
and they said the chuop of cobbers would just kind
of do a little, you know, a little half tail,
half effort lunge to get the dog to back up.

(33:03):
He said that chup of cobbras had no fear, no
fear of this dog whatsoever. And after a few minutes
they loped off in the woods. And then later a
neighbor a neighbor saw, in broad daylight one of the
chuop of cobbras in a field. A crop duster was
flying overhead. This chup of cabra stands up on its
back legs and is watching the crop duster fly. Now

(33:26):
here's the part that's really gonna get you. About three
and a half years ago, I was at a conference
with my day job. I was on the Gulf coast
and I was at a trade show. And part of
the trade show is you know, you're walking through the
trade show and you're you're meeting and talking to all
these different vendors and tables and stuff. Well, we got
over by this one table who I won't say the name,

(33:49):
but they're a big company that does photo copies and
you know, photo copy machines and stuff like that. So
I'm standing there talking with my supervisor and another couple
of guys from my job, and I'm telling them about
Skylake and I'm telling them, I start talking about the
cup of coppers. Well, this guy who's standing at this table,
we're well within the earshot, you know. We turn around

(34:12):
and we speak to him, and he motions from me
to walk over. So we all just kind of kind
of heard mentality. Everybody just kind of followed me, and
we drifted over to this company's table, and this really nice,
you know, super cool, super nice black gentleman he started
asking me. He said, I couldn't help, but over hear

(34:33):
what you were talking about. Where did this happen at?
And I told him and he said, so that's in
the bells on a Skylake area, right, And I said, yes, sir,
it is. And he said, what did you call that thing?
I said, A chuop of cobbra. That's that's what everybody's
calling it. And he said, describe it to me. I
described it, and he got quiet, and he looked up
at me and he said, that's what me and my

(34:55):
wife saw while we were on our way home one night,
and I said, do what he says. Yeah, I live
in Balzana, and one night, me and the wife we
had gone to eat supper with some friends and we
were driving back and it was a real bright moonlit
night and he caught movement over in one of the
fields that's on the road going to our house. And

(35:17):
I slowed down because I didn't want a deer or
something to run out and hit me or me hit it.
And I started looking at this thing and I realized
it wasn't a deer, and it is exactly what you
described and what that guy described to you over near Skylake.
He said, it was tall, the back end of it
was tall, had a long, skinny tail, long head, no hair, fur,

(35:40):
completely slick skinned, and I have never seen anything that
looked so freakish in my life. And he said, me
and my wife both looked at it and we got
the crap out of there. But he said, I saw
what you're talking about. And I'm sitting here thinking, what
are the chances that I'm on the Gulf coast of
Mississippi and I'm just just shooting the bull about chop

(36:01):
of cabras and this guy's livestock getting killed and a
guy at a at a booth here's Ben says. I
saw that too, because I'm from that area. It was
it was crazy, it was totally crazy. But but these
chuop of cabras, I do not for a second believe
they were your typical uh chuop of cabras. I believe

(36:22):
that these things were interdimensional, uh possibly demonic, because again,
look at look at what they did. The only thing
they did was they drank the blood. I mean, if
that's not a if that's not a warning sign right there.
And then the fact that they they just ate on
the guts and and they ripped and tore the heads on.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
An unclean part of the body, you.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Know, right exactly. I mean when you when you look
back in history, and we won't go down that rabbit hole.
But that's another story for another time. But when you
look at the Nephelum and and what they did when
they were back on the earth before and after Noah's time,
they were they were cannibalistic, they were blood drinkers. And

(37:05):
that's part of the reason why why in the Bible
God told us do not drink blood because they were unholy.
We're doing this and God's like, I don't want y'all
doing that. That's not that's not what we're going to do.
So and when you when you come on through time,
when you look at all the Satanic worship, ritualistic worship, uh,

(37:31):
blood is always at the center of it. Now. Have
I gone off into the twilight zone, Yeah, I have.
But again when I tore this thing down, that was
my conclusion. My conclusion was these are not mangy coyotes.
This was something else, and it was from they were
from somewhere else. And to answer your question from earlier

(37:52):
our chupacabra sightings on the Uptick, I'm going to say, no,
I don't think since this last attack and these last reports,
I don't think these choop of cabres have done anything
else in that area. If they have, then m K
has not said anything to me, and I know he

(38:13):
would he would he would tell me, uh if if
he had heard of any follow up reports about this.
So it's just like you know, swish, they're they're they're gone.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Marcus, real quick, These uh chup of cabra, all right,
they're mostly quadruped. You right, they're mostly on all fours
or were they also reported on on two legs. I
can't remember what you said.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
The bulk of of of the time, if not most
of the time, they are they are down on all fours.
You're chuop of cabres. Uh. You don't get a whole
lot of uprights. But again in this, in this video
of us interviewing this guy, when when he told us
that he would that this one was watching the the

(39:05):
the crop duster go over and it stood up on
its back legs. The first thing that went through my
head way back then was dog man. But I very
quickly had to retract that thought because this thing, in
no way, shape, form or fashion matched up to a dog. Mean,
but it's odd that when when the farmer hit this thing,

(39:25):
I mean, evidently he heard it, evidently he shocked it
or damaged it or something, because it got up on
two legs and managed to get away. And course, a
lot of animals that are four legged creatures, when they
find themselves in situations, they can get on their back
legs or front legs and motivate for a little while.
But no, your tup of cobbers are pretty much down

(39:48):
on all fours.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
All right, well, this is a good segue for a
dog man. Let's jump into your dog man stories I
want to hear. And my first question before you jump
into them is are are are these dog band stories
in any certain part of our state? Uh? Are they
occurring in any certain areas more than other areas?

Speaker 3 (40:09):
I don't think so. I think they're just occurring all over,
I really do.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Again, I think it's just kind of become urban legend
is not probably not the right term. But again, Taylor,
Mississippi seems to be you know, the dog man central,
but there there's just as many elsewhere in the state
as anywhere else. I don't know if you guys are

(40:39):
familiar with a a lady bigfooter by the name of
Eden Boudreau. I think I'm saying her name right, but
but Eden reached out to me, and uh be local.
I think she's down south, I think. And if if
if I butchered your name, Eden, I apologize, I'll make

(41:01):
it up to you. But anyway, she reached out and
told me, you know, she said, hey, Marcush, I went
and interviewed a guy who reported a bigfoot sighting to me.
And when I started interviewing and talking to him, it
became very obvious that this was not a Sasquat sighting
at all. It was a dog man report. And this
was down south. And get this right, before I joined

(41:26):
the NADP, I even have now a skin walker account
that was reported to me. So dog man is I
think they're all all in the state. And like I say,
I saw one at Skylake. It run out of the
woods on all fours. I think it was trying to
get out a deer. And it was broad daylight. It

(41:47):
was like middle of the morning, beautiful sunshiny day, and
this thing come out of the woods. It come out
of the swamp, heading up towards this little cemetery. And
when I lost sight of it, a deer that I
never saw because of some foliage. It comes running the
opposite way. And let me tell you that deer was

(42:09):
carrying the mail. Whatever this thing was, dog man or whatever.
That deer did not want no part of it. But
I got a good look at this thing from from
the side angle, and uh, it was jet black. This
thing was huge. Making a semi intelligent guess, I would say,
the back of it, whereas back humped, would come up

(42:31):
to my chest, and I remember the thing that really
stuck out to me was the color. It was jet
black and the head. The head had a long snout,
it had the tall pwenty ears. It was just super
super canine. And I just I remember the back legs.

(42:53):
The back legs just they looked like a dog's legs.
They looked like canine legs. And I'm sitting there going like,
that's not a deer, that's not a bear. It's not
the farmer's dog, shaggy dog. And look, guys, it took
me a long time. It took me a while to
really you know, when I told Vic Kundiff was probably

(43:17):
one of the first people I ever told. And when
I described everything to him, I was kind of like,
I am now. I was stuttering and stammering, and I said, Vic,
it's almost like I don't want to admit I saw
what I saw. When I saw the two sasquatches that
I saw, I said, there wasn't no doubt, there was
no doubt in my mind what I was looking at

(43:39):
and what I saw. But I said, when I saw
this thing my brain, it's taken me months to unpack
this thing and for me to really realize that what
I saw was a dog man. And he said, well,
that sounds exactly like what you're going through, but it
sounds like the details and everything are a lot planer

(44:00):
and cleaner in your memory, and it sounds like you
saw a dog man. And I'm like, I just don't
know what else it could be, because it wasn't It
wasn't something normal, it wasn't something indigenous to the area,
So you know that was and then and then what
does Marcus do? Marcus just goes on about his hike.

(44:21):
He's got his camera and he's just taking pictures, and
does he get does he go home? Does he? I mean,
you know, I never felt weird, I never felt threatened,
I never felt unsafe. But I'm like, looking back now,
I don't know where this thing went. But I just
went on about my hike. I was like, no, no, no,
you know, just like, are you crazy? When I saw

(44:43):
the bigfoot out here about eight ten miles away, I
was ready to go. I got bluff charged, and then
this one's was sneaking across the trail. I'm like, no, no, no, no,
I ain't playing with that. It's time to go. But
that was my dog man encounter. Now, the two stories
that I'm fixing to tell you, they came from a

(45:04):
really good friend of mine. And again I'm not going
to say his name because I don't know if he
would want me to. But he's a bigfooter from from
down south. And anyway, I was telling him about how
I had joined up with the n A DP and
he's like, yeah, I saw that. And he said, you know,

(45:25):
I saw a dog man when I was young And
I said what, I think. He was a teenager and
this was like in south central Mississippi. He told me.
He showed me exactly where it was on Google Earth
and he said, I was in this field. He said,
I was deer hunting and he said I was.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
In this state field the woods. That's cool, right, he was.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
He was in a field and he was deer hunting.
It was deer season and he was looking at this
field and he said, this thing comes out of a
tree line. It's on two legs. It's a huge black
canine looking thing walking kind of trotting across this field
on two legs. And he said once he got close

(46:09):
to the other side of the tree line and was
close to the tree line. It dropped down on all
fours and shoved it on up into the tree line.
And I said, you really saw that. He said, yes, Sir,
I did. And he said, buddy, I was done hunting
that day. And I said wow. I said, that's that's
that's crazy. And I know this guy and I know

(46:30):
he was telling me the truth. And he said, well,
that's not all. And I said, what you saw it again?
He said no, But I had a buddy of mine
who did about a year later about it. A mile
away from where I saw this thing, from the field
where I saw it, He said, about a mile down
the road, there's a place there that's kind of a

(46:51):
lover's line. And that one night, this acquaintance of his,
they weren't real close, but you know, they knew each other.
He was a great man. But he told me, he said,
this guy was having an affair. He was fooling around,
and he had his mistress in their car, and they
were at this lover's lane spot and it's pitch black,

(47:14):
and you know, they're they're doing their thing, they're making
out or whatever, and all of a sudden they hear
this loud thump, something slaps hits or runs into the car. Oh,
the makeout session kind of comes to a pause, and
they're wondering what in the world is going on. And

(47:35):
the guy reaches over to his his light switch and
he pops the headlights on, just just pops some on,
just wide open. He pops them open, and standing there
in front of the vehicle is a seven and a
half foot tall jet black dog man. He said it
was probably the same one I saw. It was seven

(47:56):
and a half feet tall. And this thing is standing
there with its paws on the hood looking at them,
and it's like, y'all need to leave. And I looked
at my friend. I said, well, don't stop there. What happened?
He said, well, they left that they got the heck

(48:18):
out of dodge. And I said, well, it's kind of
what you're getting fooling around on the missus and you
run in the dog man. Now, I'll tell you another
story that that really is frightening. My friend from Arkansas, Todd,
he's the state representative director for Arkansas, and when I

(48:41):
became the representative for here in Mississippi, he called me
up and I think it was a combination of a congratulations, Hey,
welcome to the group and all this, And I think
it was a situation where he was trying to make
sure I wasn't you know, some guy just looked into
the organization. I never even went out my back door,

(49:02):
much less go sasquatching and dog men hunting. But in
the course of.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Our contract, to make sure you had the receipts.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yes, right, he wanted to make sure I had I
had paid the bills, yes, And and anyway, he told
me about his encounter. And when he told me that story,
I was like, this goes into the intelligence. This goes
into the paranormal in my opinion. Uh. And I think
I think maybe Todd would agree with that, because Todd

(49:32):
kind of feels like there is a dimensional thing at
play here. But Todd was hunting, and Todd's a big guy.
I mean, he's huge, and he's he's in the woods hunting.
He's way back. He's he's probably I forget how many
miles away he was from from his vehicle, but he
was on foot. He had a backpack, had his gun
slung over his shoulder, and I think he said he

(49:54):
had a high powered side arm. Well, anyway, he's walking
through the woods and all of a sudden, He's kind
of jerked back. He's kind of just stopped, and he said, Marcus.
He said, I'm a big old boy. It's gonna take
some serious vines or whatever to stop my forward motion.
And he said, I'm thinking that I've done got hung

(50:16):
up in some briars, some of those big, thick, thorny briars,
and they've really got a hold of my backpack or
my strap. And he said, I kind of shrug. I'm
not getting free and can't move forward still. But I
turn around, and he said, I am face to face
with a dog man. This thing is right in my face,

(50:36):
and this thing is looking at me. He said, it
is staring into my soul. And this thing I never
saw it when I walked by it. This thing reached
out and grabbed me and stopped me mid stride. And
he said, I turned around. We lock eyes, and I
started going for my gun. I started going from my

(50:57):
side arm and he said, all of a sudden, it
popped in his head. That's a big mistake if you
do that. I left the gun alone. He said, I'm
standing there and I'm looking at this thing. It's still
looking at me. It takes its arm, it takes his
arm and it raises it up, and it takes a finger,
a clawed finger, and it points back in the exact

(51:19):
direction he had just come from, in the exact direction
where his truck is. And he said, it never said
anything to me, you know, verbally or whatever. But he said,
I knew what this thing was telling me. It was
telling me you need to go back the way you came,
and you need to go get in your truck, and
you need.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
To go home.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
And he said, you know exactly. And he said he
turned around. He never took his eyes off of it.
But once he got to the points where he had
no choice, he said, he didn't run, but he he
hot footed it back to his to his vehicle. And
he said, the whole time this thing was was shadowing him.
He could hear it moving in the in the brush

(52:01):
in the woods beside him. He said, he said, it
was escorting me out. And it came right up to
the tree line to where I was parked, and I
know it was there. And he said, I got in
my truck and I went home, and and and this
guy was he was really really shook up. And when
he was talking to me and telling me this story.
It was just it was it was really terrifying. I

(52:24):
hope Todd doesn't mind me saying that, but you know it,
it just goes to show you that an encounter with
one of these things is just about not going to
end well.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Well it all these encounters from all these cryptids always
changed people's lives and and and that's that's one of
the reasons why we kind of do what we do,
is we we want to create a safe place where
people to talk about this kind of stuff without being
like looked at as a weirdo, I mean any more
than normal or or or actually try to make people like, hey,
it's okay to be weird because it's it's biblical to

(52:57):
be weird and and there's all kinds of weird stuff
in the Bible and everything, and and so you know,
I have never heard a story with the first time somebody.
I mean, I bet you that's what got him into
all this was that encounter.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Probably it absolutely was, and it absolutely was, and he
will tell you that. And you know, he went on
a lifelong journey to make sense of this encounter and
to deal with what he he dealt with inside and uh,
like say, he's uh I consider Todd to be a
really good friend. He's a good guy. I think he

(53:32):
would give you the shirt off his back and and yeah,
he'll tell you. That's why he's a state representative for
for Arkansas with the n A d P. He I
think he talked to other people and people in the
n A d P and others. They made him feel like,
you're not alone, you know, you're you're not by yourself

(53:52):
your encounter. Yeah, it is not nearly by itself. So yeah,
I think I think maybe that and I'm sure there
were other or avenues that that people that Todd talked
to that that made him feel better.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, you know, Marcus, you right what you said earlier
about how this just uh how the kids said nowadays,
this is just a hits different than a sasquatch encounter.
It feels different. It's like, of course, you're gonna be
scared of the sasquatch just because you just are. But
this is like almost terror versus fear, if that makes sense.
And I was laughing about the couple in the car,

(54:28):
like you said, it was funny, but it probably wasn't
very funny for them at all. Uh. But what creeps
me out The most about this, Marcus, is how like
you you said it so well, it looked and it
looked in his eyes, and he it spoke to him.
He could see It's like it was looking into his soul.
And that that and mimics. When cryptids do that and

(54:50):
they mimic, that really just scares the cuss word out
of me. I mean, it really does.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Well. It goes back to where we started out with
this conversation. How can a creature that is all flesh
and blood, that's just a wild animal. How how can
a creature that you see miles away, miles ago? How
can it? Why is it in your backyard now?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Why?

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Why is it able to be able to psychically speak
to you? And this has happened a go a billion
times again. Yeah, I know who you are, I know
where you live at. I can get you any time
I want to. I can't tell you how many witnesses

(55:38):
have come forward and set things like this. I can't
tell you how many times people have had firearms and
they see these things and and they'll go for their
firearm and it'll pop in their head. You're fixing to
make the worst mistake of your life. If you hurt me,
I'm gonna hurt you. So I mean, can a bear

(55:58):
do that? Well, of course not. Can a mountain lion
do that? No, you know, it's they don't have the
ability to do that. So how come why why can
a dog man do that? Now I'm not saying all
of them, you know, do that, because not every encounter.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Has one does like doctor Heizer still he said, I'm
gonna butcher his quote. But if you can prove it once,
the burden of proof is for others to yeah, prove
me wrong.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically this, you know, it only takes
one case to bust the paradigm.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
There you go, Yeah, yeah, yeah, one case. That's just
one case, absolutely true.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
So again, when when if.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
There's one dog man in the world that's terrifying, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Exactly, and and and that's probably one dog man too many.
But yes, that that's that's the way this thing generally goes.
And when people see these things, like say, it's usually
not a pleasant I've never heard of it. I have
never heard. I don't I don't know that there's a
researcher out there that that I'm aware that has come

(57:12):
forward and said, oh yeah, you know, the nice dog man,
And you know, I never heard, Yeah, the dog Man
brought my chainsaw back. I've never heard that. And I
think one one cryptid researcher referred to dog Man as
the the cryptied terrorist of the cryptied world, because that

(57:34):
seems to be it seems to be. And while that
is kind of kind of humorous, I think there's something
to be said for that. It's it's as if these
things do enjoy making you afraid. That seems to be
their purpose. Well, what else does that? That's the question

(57:54):
you got to ask yourself. What else does that?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Well it makes me ask this, Marcus, and I'd be
curious to see how you to answer this. What's its endgame?
What's it doing? I mean, I guess that'd be a
question for all cryptids or whatever. What manner of evil
is it up to? An example, like with the gay
from Arkansas, that kind of freaks me out in the
sense of like, why did it not kill him? Why
did it let him go? It's really mysterious at the

(58:20):
same time, even though it's terrifying. If that makes any sense.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Well, yeah, it absolutely does make sense. And I put
it like this, if dog Man has that kind of intelligence,
then that tells you right there that this is not
a normal creature like a bear or an elk, or
a deer or a dog or whatever. That is not

(58:45):
what we're dealing with here. We're dealing with something that
has got a lot more intelligence than just a average
wild animal out there in the field. Bigfoot is the
same way. Their intelligence level is way I won't say
off the chart, but maybe maybe I should say off
the chart. These things are smart and their intelligent. Now

(59:07):
why do they not kill? Because again, a lot of
these encounters with dog men, the people that witness these things,
they're exposed, they are completely defenseless, they're helpless. It's a
done deal. You can cash your check, this is over.
And a lot of them have said that I thought

(59:28):
I was going to die. I knew I was going
to die, and it walks off, It warned me out
of the area. And you know, of course Bigfoot does
that a lot too. But here here's my view on that.
Right there, your sasquatch and your dog men, because of
that intelligence level, because they are so smart, they know

(59:50):
what a gun is, they know what knives are, they
know what machetes are, they know that these things could
possibly do them harm. They also know that if if
I kill Billy Joe out here in this national forest,
they know that when somebody finds Billy Joe, it's on.
There's going to be lots of humans, lots of guns,

(01:00:11):
and they're going to tear these woods apart. And I
run the risk and if they have others in their group,
I run the risk of bringing this all down on
top of them. So yeah, and look, we can't discount.
Do we have proof? I would say no, but I
know you guys have heard this and your listeners have

(01:00:33):
heard this. How many times have we had something bad
go down? You know, somebody comes up missing and boom,
the military up and shows up. Nobody, why are they here?
I don't know. I didn't call them, but the military
just shows up. There they are, They're loaded for a bear.
And now we got the military along with the FBI,

(01:00:56):
hundreds of people scrounging and searching the wool. These things
know that they know what's coming. So I think that's
why a lot of times they don't kill, because they
know what's coming. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Well, and two my big argument, and this is kind
of from silence, but I think it's a good one,
is the fact we don't know they haven't killed. Like
you said, there's people don't realize how many people are
two things number one missing there's only like two or
three years. They put people on milk carts. We're talking
about kids missing. Just children children. Let's just talk about
just missing children or people that go into these different

(01:01:31):
parts of the National Forest Store, just government federal areas.
I mean they have whole areas that are partitioned to
part where you can't go into it, but it's still
federal land and stuff like that. Dare I say Area
fifty one, You know there's whole area is So I
think that there probably has been people that have disappeared
and we just don't know it that we think they

(01:01:52):
just went missing. We did a story about a guy
on our show.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Well again, let's go back to the Land between the
Lakes the LBL. If you follow any of the researchers
that are up there, like hell Bent Holler, Darryl Martin. Uh,
there's a bunch of guys up there doing a lot
of really great, awesome work. And what they will tell
you is this, when there is a dog man are

(01:02:18):
a are bigfoot sighting in the Land between the Lakes,
things get shut down and they get closed out real quick.
They just come in and they'll shut down whole sections
of of the LBL and why why are you shutting
down you know, this section? And they'll shut down one

(01:02:39):
section after a sighting, and then they'll move on and
they'll shut down another section. So it's like this this
progression of Sasquatch is spotted, dog man is spotted. They
start closing down sections of the park.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Well, then you throw in and you throw it at
I know, you know this guy uh in the missing
for one one game, David pilatte Is you throw in
all his with all these people that are missing in parks,
I mean, it just blows me away. I mean, Sandy
and I are going to try to we're trying to
get an r V in the next year or so
and travel. We're going to take the underfined on the
road and stuff and take Lindsey with us when you
can get off work. But we're going to travel and

(01:03:17):
do just investigation, meet our people that are out there
and stuff like that. But I used to love to
go out westnet to go to national parks, and now
I'm really actually kind of hesitant. I think I follow
this one little bit of advice. I'm gona get one
those little personal GPS things that people who have those
don't ever disappear.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Yeah, I've got one, and they they are amazing devices.
They're they're worth their repenting and they're they're they're not
that terribly expensive, you know, They're they're very affordable. I
have the GARM and many too, and it is the
best money I have spent. And the fascinating thing about

(01:03:58):
that gadget is when your track yourself, you can you
can come home and you can pull up through the
garment website. It will show you all the places where
you hiked. Every ten minutes I saw or so, it
pings you. So I'll go back and I'll I'll do
an overlay of where I was in one of my

(01:04:20):
research areas and I'll go, oh, wow, I should have
gone on a little further down. But no, that that
is a very good thing to have because before I
go I always let my family and friends know I'm
gonna go do my thing today, and then once I
get to the trailhead or something, I send them a message.

(01:04:42):
And then when I get ready to come out, I send, hey,
I'm heading home. So they know that if they don't
get that last message, they need to start they need
to start looking.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah that all that just it's wild. I mean, yeah,
we're definitely going to get one of those before we
do at any kind of stuff like that. It just
blows me away that there was YouTube challenges women that
are out navigating or whatever they're doing by themselves, and
there's no way I'd go anywhere without one of those
little GPS things. It's just crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's only smart to invest in one of those.
And a few years ago again, when I left MUFAN
and I knew that I was really gonna start hitting
the field hard and serious, I knew that I had
to get one. And you know, this leads me into

(01:05:35):
another topic about that. When you were talking about those
ladies camping and all like that and stuff. People don't
realize what's out there. They don't realize what's out there
in the woods. A lot of these people go camping
and hiking and they never bother to find out are
there mountain lions in this area? Are there bearing this area?

(01:05:56):
Are their wild hog? Yeah? I know about snow's got
to watch out for snakes, But they don't stop and
think about the bigger threats now. They're also don't even
remotely consider what else is out there in the woods.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yeah, people, that's sometimes that's scary that the cryptids.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Yeah. Yeah, well, and look, I'll be honest with you,
this is just my best friend. He gets on to
me a lot because a lot of times I am
by myself, and that's not something that I would encourage.
But a lot of times when I see that I'm
able to go, it's completely spur the minute because of
my life and my work schedule. I can't go well

(01:06:40):
on this day or and this time right here, I'm
hitting for that. That's not my life. I can't do that.
And I can't expect to wake up at three o'clock
in the morning and call Lindsey and go, hey, Lindsey,
you know, can you meet me at a skylake at
five o'clock, four o'clock in the morning. Lindsey's gonna kick
my butt if I call him at three o'clock in

(01:07:01):
the morning and wake him up. So a lot of times,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
I probably wouldn't. He'd probably go with you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Right well, yeah, he would, moan Lindsey.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
He would, yeah, he would.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
But you know, I do my dead level best to
let people know what I'm doing and when I'm doing it.
So yeah, a lot of times I am so up.
But my ultimate point is this, if it's not for
people like you and your podcast, if it's not for
things like the n A d P. You know, and

(01:07:35):
there's a lot of Christian guys out there, you know
when you look at your your Steve Quails and your
La Marzouli's and there's other guys that are out there
that are that are telling you you're Scott Carpenter's rest
is soul, that there is a spiritual element to this,
that there that there could be something biblical in nature
that is causing some of, if not all, of this phenomenon.

(01:07:59):
But you know, again, I'm not I'm not slamming I'm
not slamming church. I'm not slamming religion because you know,
I'm a Christian center that I am and uh and
and and I love church. You know, there's absolutely positively
nothing wrong about going to church. I'm not saying that.

(01:08:20):
What I am saying is you're not gonna get this
on Wednesday night or Sunday morning. And I don't I
don't understand that that that kind of blows my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
I know preachers and pastors that will they will love
to talk with you about this stuff off in away,
but that it's not going to be a part of
of of your your general service. And and at the
same time I get that, I do get that. But
knowing your enemy is is just as important in my opinion,

(01:08:56):
and absolutely don't know your enemy, then you're one into
a battle blind. And that's one of the most If
you could ask General Patten did he go into a
battle blind? He would probably look at you like you
lost your mind. I mean, of course he didn't. Most
smart people, commanders in generals don't. Things will get sideways,

(01:09:19):
of course, but you've got to be prepared. And that's
why I do what I do. And when I joined
up with the NADP, one of the questions they asked
me was why do you really want to do this?
And I know what it is. I mean a lot
of people do what you do what I do. They

(01:09:40):
do it for fame and fortune. They want to be
a superstar, they want to be a rock star. They
want to get you know, thousands of hits on their
YouTube channel, and you know, hey, that's fine. Great and dandy,
but you know, why are you really doing it? I'll
tell anybody I do this because I love it. I
love the mystery, I love the enigma, I love the
thrill of of the chase, and I love the outdoors.

(01:10:03):
And this gives me the perfect excuse to get outdoors
and to hike and to get some exercise and see
nature because most of the time I'm not going to
have an encounter with a big foot or a dog
man or anything like that. But that's part of the
fun of going into you know, these research areas and looking.
But it's also I'm doing it to document and to

(01:10:24):
be able to tell people, don't laugh at that that
happened to me. Well you're a Christian, right, you know,
how could that happen to you? Well, it didn't, and
you need you need to be aware of this. So
I look at it like we're we're part of an
education process of getting what's out there in these woods
out there to people that are not going to get

(01:10:45):
it any other way. And that's part of the reason
why I do what I do. I want to help people.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Yeah, us too. Well, that leads me into my question,
what you just said there that I've been wondering this
the whole time, because if we we've had a Gallner podcast.
He's up in Oregon. He wrote a book about the album,
and we had him on the show. He's pretty pretty
big bigfoot guy, but a lot of In his book
he talked a lot about people, certain types of people

(01:11:11):
would see dog men, and he wondered if it was,
like I don't know how to word this other than
just to say it like this, like that, that certain
types of people draw them in, you know, not that
I mean, I had a pastor one time tell me
that all this is crazy. You have a certain type
of psychological problem. And everybody that encounters all this stuff

(01:11:33):
is is that. I'm like, you're crazy. There's so many
different types and styles and flavors of people. Not all
of them have it. Anyway, I don't want to go there.
But that's just nuts. He's the one that's nuts. But anyway,
but I do wonder though, and I wanted to know
what you thought about this, Marcus, if we can draw
them in with our desire to see them, or curiosity

(01:11:57):
or or get I mean, I've heard of people putting
out gifts for for Bigfoot and him coming in replacing
and and have an interaction and and and I guess
what I want to ask you is that have you
ever heard anything that with dog banner?

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
I can't speak for everybody, obviously, I can't speak for
everybody in the n A, d P or or all
all the other researchers because you know, I don't know
it all. I'm not the brainiac of that. I'm sure
if you if you talk to some other bigfooters and

(01:12:35):
dog man researchers uh in the n A, d P
or or outside, they may be able to tell you
of people having interactions like people have with Sasquatch. I've
never heard of it. I personally, I've never heard of it.
I'm not going to say that it doesn't or hasn't
or isn't happening, but I'm not aware of it, especially

(01:12:58):
not on the scale of that that you can and
you know, have that with Sasquatch. And look the thing
about gifting with Sasquatch, that's something that you've got to
be really really careful with if if if it's a
casual gift gifting, if it's a casual feeding situation, there's

(01:13:18):
probably nothing wrong with that. But when you got people
that are gifting and especially feeding. I mean like three
squares a day, a couple extra times on the weekend,
and then all of a sudden something happens and they stop.
You've got problems coming. You've got bad problems coming. I
know of several reports where people did that with sasquatch,

(01:13:43):
and then people would get sick. They would get ill,
and they would have to go into the hospital and
they would be gone for three, four or five days,
a couple of weeks, and then they come home and
their property, their home there, their outbuildings are just just
because all of a sudden, they're snacks and their food

(01:14:04):
sources just got taken away, and they're piffed and they're angry.
H and and and so again you've got to be
You've got to be real careful with that, you know.
I had a couple that that I bigfooted with for
a good little while. They would do it casually. They
had a research area and just you know, every other

(01:14:27):
weekend when they would go. Sometimes they would take some apples,
sometimes they wouldn't. Sometimes they would take little apple pies,
sometimes they wouldn't. It was real casual, and I was
with them several times in this place, and you can tell.
I could tell that the sasquatch, they were moving around us,
they were watching us, they were interacting, and uh, it

(01:14:52):
was never, never, nothing bad. Now, one time when we
left some little apple fritter type things, yeah, yeah, we
would put them down and the guy would go like, Okay,
let's move on over here, because if we don't, they're
going to see this lay in here, and they're going
to get impatient because because they wanted the snacks, and

(01:15:14):
we would wisely move over to another area and we
would hear them behind us moving in and getting those treats.
So but I've never heard of dog Man. I've never
heard of dog Man doing that. And again, I don't
think I'll say it like this. If you're gifting them

(01:15:36):
like that and they're one hundred two hundred miles away,
you might be fun. But if you've got them on
your property or you think they're on your property, I
absolutely would tell anybody don't start gifting and putting food
out and stuff like that, because you can find yourself
in a tub of hot water real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Yeah, and I wonder too sometimes even just for the
spiritual dimension of it. I mean, what are we playing
with you know, right, not just a sasquatch, but whatever
empowers these sasquatches too, So that might be playing with fire,
I've wondered. But I'm not ready to throw the baby
out with the bathwater. But I agree with you. I
think what you just said is wisdom and balance. You
don't want to create a codependency. You don't want to

(01:16:17):
be a sasquatches snack dealer.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Why I ain't. Look, I just had my big old
tuxedo cat. You know, he was in here while we
were recording a little while ago, and I gave him
a snack before we went on the air to get
him satisfied and calm down. And when that snack wore off,

(01:16:41):
I don't know if if you guys heard him or not,
or Sandy heard him, but he's in here bellowing like
a lunatic because he's ready for another snack. So if
that's happening with my big old tuxeda cat, imagine what's
going on with a five six, eight hundred pounds sasquatch.
It's not going to go well. I can run Logan

(01:17:01):
out of my room and lock the door. You know
you're not gonna be able to do it with these cryptids.
That's just not gonna happen though, So you've got to
really be careful when you when you start something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Well, wow, it's we've been on here for a for
a minute, so uh, pray gonna lay in this uh plane.
Uh Marcus, do you have anything coming up that that
you'd like to tell anybody about any projects or anything
or or we're gonna put your YouTube channel. We we
tell everybody what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Again, it's Unexplained Mississippi. All you got to do is
just type it into the search engine and you'll it'll
take you straight to my YouTube channel.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
My website is www dot Unexplained Mississippi dot com. You
can also find me at the n a DP website,
which is www dot Yeah. Uh, North American Dogman Project
dot com. Uh, you can you can and me there.
And on Facebook, we have a Facebook group, uh for

(01:18:04):
the North American dog Man Project, the Mississippi chapter, and
we've got a lot of visitors and you know, we're
growing that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
That's cool. I want to join that because I was
just about to suggest that to our audience out there,
anybody in our audience that's local to us, in Mississippi,
reach out to to Marcus or me or Lindsay and
and uh, we want to hear your stories. And I'd
love to join this Facebook group and just just hear
the stories and and uh, you know, kind of be

(01:18:35):
a part of a community that's that's doing this around here.
That would be really cool. So yeah, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
If if if you, if you go to Facebook and
you know, you find me Marcus Ellis or you'll you'll
see the you'll see it. But it's a North American
dog Man Project. Uh, Mississippi State chapter. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
I love these stories. I'm just a text I Texas
Lindsay while you were on here, and I would say,
I just love having on the show. He's just such
a great storyteller. I just love these stories.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
So well, thank you. That makes me feel good. Yeah,
you've got a lot more confidence in me than maybe
I do. But I sure appreciate it. And it's always
fun to be here with you guys. And that's the
thing about about us. We're all here in Mississippi. You're
located here in Mississippi. I'm located in Mississippi, and we

(01:19:27):
should support each other. We should help each other and
support each other, and I was thinking about that before
I went live with y'all. I'm like, you know, I'm
just thinking to myself that this is really cool that
I can be the guest on this podcast and it's
from right here in Mississippi. And I was telling my
best friend on the way home, so, yeah, I gotta

(01:19:47):
go home and get ready for a podcast. And he said, well,
what's the podcast? And I told him and he said,
did you say there from here in Mississippi? And I
said yeah. He said, oh my god, he said, that's awesome.
It's always awful to be on with you guys. But
one thing that I'm planning on doing. I did a
video a ways back. I went over to the Winterville

(01:20:09):
Indian Mail on site and that's something that has really
a lot. This and dog Men really started hitting my
brain about the same time. And MK, ever since I
hooked up with MK seven eight years ago, he was
all the time talking giants, giants, Marcus, there's giants, you know, giants,
you know, look into this, check this out, and and

(01:20:33):
I did. I didn't get off into it at the
time the way that that MK was, But finally, when
the dog Men thing hit me, I saw something I
forget what it was, but it just te totally fired
me up. It was a combination of things. It was
it was some of Scott Carpenter's work, it was some
of it was some of MK stuff. It was some

(01:20:55):
of Ron Moreheads his Quantum Bigfoot stuff, and he's talking
about the Nephilum and the giants and all that. And
then you know, I saw some of L. A. Marzooli's
stuff and uh, uh James Hood, you know, really good guy.
Uh I loved James. But James was telling me, Hey,
you need to check out this Steve Quayle dude. And

(01:21:17):
I'm like, never heard of him? And uh I started
looking at him and is it Tim Alberino? Am I
saying that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
M yeah, yeah, ye okay. Well I I started looking
into all this stuff and man, the next thing I know,
I'm neck deep and researching. I'm cracking my Bible open
and and and digging off into this Nephelin thing. And
I went over to the Winterville Mounds outside of Greenville

(01:21:45):
a couple of years ago. M K had taken me
several times, but they're in the process of you probably did.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
I don't remember him specifically mention Winterville, but he mentioned
several mounds.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Well, well, the thing about Winterville that that really caught
my attention was I went about a year ago this
past March, and it was nice and cool, and while
I was there, I filmed a video UH called Nephelum
Giants in Mississippi, and the the Nephilim Giants video and

(01:22:24):
the one I did about the black Box that I
encountered in UH Delta National. Those are the two biggest
videos I've got. They're not even big Foot or dog Man.
And I'm like, what's what's up with this? But but
it's but it's fine, it's cool. I think that the
killer Choopocabro video is kind of you know, lagging in

(01:22:47):
in there a little bit. But uh, but when I
when I did this video, I was standing in front
of the the Winterville Mound. The mound is called Mound
A and and I'm almost speechless because all the times
I have seen it, up until a year ago, the
mound was in bad shape. So the state of Mississippi
have been restoring it to what it originally looked like,

(01:23:09):
or as close as they can get it to what
it originally looked like. And when I was standing there
in front of this thing. My previous trips were absolutely
just they were wiped, they were gone, they were just,
they were nothing. It was like I'd never been there.
Because I'm looking at this mound that they have been
working on. They have gone and they have put a ramp.

(01:23:32):
A ramp is on the back side of this mound. Now,
this mound is fifty five feet tall. I'm not sure
how many hundreds of feet it is across or the width,
but this thing is absolutely monstrous. And I'm standing there
looking at this thing, and I'm like, how is this possible?

(01:23:52):
How can humans in a decent length of time build
something like this? And I just I had been doing
my research into the Native Americans, and again I had
immersed myself in some of these guys that I named
earlier in some of their works, and I had found
this out only recently. But when the chop Taw and

(01:24:15):
the Chickasaw Indians, when they came across the Mississippi River
and they moved into Tennessee and then they started moving
down their oral tradition and their stories tell that they
encountered this huge race of giants with six fingers, six toes.
They were cannibalistic, they were bloodthirsty killers. They took their women,

(01:24:38):
they took their children, and as several of the oral
traditions stated, and this is the way it was put,
every time the chop Taw got the chance they killed them.
They went to war with them because they obviously could
not coexist. And when people would ask a lot of

(01:25:00):
these Native American Indians, you know, all across the United
States of America, whether it was the Spaniards, whether it
was the French, whether it was the white man, they
would ask them, well, how did you build this? You know,
when did you build this? And the reply a lot
of the times would be, we didn't build that. That
was already here when we got here. And that hit

(01:25:20):
me like a ton of bricks. And to find out,
which I have some Choctaw blood in me, to find
out that the Choctaw and Chickasaw Indians that were here
in Mississippi were fighting and killing these things and they
were having bad dealings with them, that just that just
blew my mind wide open. And I'm standing there in
front of this mound, and I did this little off

(01:25:42):
the cuff video about what I just said, and man,
it just went through the roof. I mean, I had
I had preachers and pastors going Wow, this is really
good and uh and I was kind of surprised by that. So,
you know, one of the next things that I'm planning
on doing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
What I said, I know what I'm doing to Night
I much your videos.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Well, I'm planning on going back over there, but I'm
thinking I want to go back to Winterville. Look, I'm
not saying that the Nephlum built Winterville Mail, but there's
no doubt in my mind a lot of these big
Indian mounds they did build. And the thing about Winterville Mound,

(01:26:27):
and I'll say this and I'll shut up, that thing
is fifty five feet tall. You only get an Indian
maun that's that height and bigger when you go up
north to like Kahokia. But Kahokia is one of those
sites that a lot of researchers and all think is
Nephelum architecture, fallen angel technology. And I really wonder about

(01:26:50):
Winterville when I see how big that thing is. My
I mean, it looks like something from South America, it
looks like something from from Egypt. It's eazy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Yeah, I mean, if you're talking something like Jake Town
that's not far from Skylake. I could see that one
being built. Don it's not big and yeah, but but yeah,
some of these bigger ones. Well and just let's just
believe at least the ones who say so, let's just
believe the ones who say, no, we didn't build these.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
You know, why would they not? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Right, well, you know, it's like some of your Native
American elders. They will tell you that because what has
been forced off onto the American public is the Native Americans.
This is what you're going to get. This is the
company line from the Smithsonian there and all these other
you know, archaeologists and and people that are that are

(01:27:43):
pushing their agenda, which is basically Darwinism. They're they're they're there.
Their bottom line is, well, the Native Americans they built that,
and they did it, and time went by and they
forgot they ever did it. They don't even they don't
remember that they did it. That is absolutely, positively one
of the most insulting things that you can say to

(01:28:05):
the Native American people. They are not stupid, absolutely, and
they do not let their oral traditions die. That is
not going to happen. So if they tell you, we
didn't build that. They didn't build it. I mean, come
on it. You know when I when I hear that jump, man,

(01:28:25):
it gets me, it gets me riled up. So I
would never say that the Native Americans didn't build some
of the mounds. Of course, they build a lot of
the mounds. They took these Nephelin thing, mimicked it, right,
they mimicked it, and they even did stuff on top
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
It wouldn't surprise me if maybe they even claimed some
sort of descent from these giants, just as a status
sort of thing. You know, you see that everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Well down in South America, little g gods so to speak,
right right, Well, when you go to some of the
places down South America, some of those peoples, some of
those natives, they will tell you that, yeah, our ancestors
were the giants. You know, we descend from the giants.
So I'm not sure if there's any Native Americans that

(01:29:14):
claim that. Again, I sure don't want to speak out
of line there, but as far as the mounds and
all like that, they will tell you, yeah, we built those,
or they'll go, no, those were already here when we
got here. We didn't do that. We don't know, We
don't know who built that, but but they do have
a tradition just about every tribe coast to coast of

(01:29:36):
encounters with large, demented, sick in the head giants that
they had problems with. And MK will tell you a
lot about the giants out at love Lock Cave. Him
and his partner at Don Monroe, they investigated love Lock
Cave in in great detail. And you know the Indians

(01:30:01):
there and that that neck of the woods, it was
it was kill or be killed. And they drove them
up into you know, Lovelock Caves and they burned them out.
It done got the situation had done become unlivable. And
and that's why the Choctaw will tell you that every
chance we had, we took them out and and it

(01:30:22):
and it's funny of how when when Joshua and Caleb
went into the Promised Land and God gave them their orders.
You've got to get rid of these giants. You've got
to do away with them. They've got to go and
and and the things that they they have defiled, they've
got to go to. Well, don't you know that when

(01:30:45):
the word got out when the Nefflin were told by
their fathers. Hey, they're coming for you. Y'all need to
get the heck out of Dodge.

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
That explains to me why they left the levant and
they traveled out and they wound up and all the
different places around the world, because you know, the Japanese,
there's just lots of peoples that have giants in their
traditions and their their myths and their legends.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Yeah, the whole Easter Island thing that the heads. People
don't realize this. The heads are buried, that their whole bodies,
the heads are just sticking up. It's clearly an indication
or some kind of com memorization to giants. Definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
And how are you going to get something that deep
in the ground. It doesn't it doesn't make sense in
volcanic rock, right, I mean, yeah, I'm sorry. Now now
there you got to draw on you know, the normal
human of that time. We can't even do stuff like that.

(01:31:47):
We can't do that in twenty twenty five. And look
at the equipment and things that we have at our
disposal to do things, you know, earthworks and heavy machinery
and stuff and some of that that the stone work,
we can't do that. It's so funny that that the
television show Ancient Aliens that they've been putting out this

(01:32:10):
thing about extraterrestrials, and I'm like, no, they weren't extraterrestrials.
They might have been alien, I'd call them alien, but
they weren't extraterrestrials. They were something entirely different.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Yeah. Yep, well, Marcus, we need to probably wrap it up.
Thank you so much for coming on our show and
again and we will have you back. And I know
last time we had talked about going on a hunt.
I don't know if I want to go hunt for
dog Man. Now I wouldn't mind going hunting for sasquatch,
but I don't know about dog Man. But I'll go

(01:32:44):
anywhere with you, anywhere you want to go, So maybe
we can work up something yet love to go.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Yeah, and you're right, we definitely did talk about that.
I know we haven't done it so far. And again
it's like I told you earlier. When I see that
I can go, it's so haphazard. But yeah, we will definitely,
we will definitely do something for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Yeah, that'd be great. Well, thanks so much again, and
like I said, we appreciate thanks for listening and supporting us,
and remember stay naturally supernatural.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
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