The Big Fat Red Line: Removing Free Will by Eliminating Options and Knowledge with Glenn and Eric Meder - Sarah Westall

Glenn and Eric Meder return for another powerful and eye-opening conversation—this time diving into one of the most fundamental freedoms under attack: your free will. In this episode, we break down how manipulation of the masses—through propaganda, surveillance, engineered scarcity, and social conditioning—is being used to strip you of your options. And when your options are taken away, your free agency disappears. Free will cannot exist without choice.We also explore how modern social constructs, from gender ideology to algorithmic censorship and digital nudging, are being used to reshape the minds of children and adults alike. It’s all part of a broader plan to fragment identity, dissolve autonomy, and normalize submission to centralized control. Glenn and Eric—two deeply knowledgeable experts on the weaponization of the surveillance state—lay out how this system was built, how it’s being deployed, and what you can do to reclaim your sovereignty. This is not just about technology. It’s about you, your children, and the future of human freedom.

Sign up for the FREE “Exit the Surveillance State” Webinar:

https://event.webinarjam.com/register/306/8yo53fqk

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, everybody, It's me Cinderoa Acts.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm just listening to the Fringe Radio Network while I
clean these chimneys with my cass livers.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Anyway, so Chad White, the fringe cowboy, I mean, he's
like he took.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
A leave of absence or whatever, and.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
So the guys asked me to do the network. I
D So you're listening to the Fringe Radio Network. I know,
I was gonna say it, Fringe Radio Network dot com?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
What oh chat? Oh yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Do you have the app?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
It's the best way to listen to the Fringe Radio Network.
I mean it's so great.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I mean it's.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Clean and simple, and you have all the shows, all.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
The episodes, and you have the live chat, and it's
it's safe and it won't hurt your phone and it
sounds beautiful and it won't track you or trace you
and you don't have to log in to use it.
How do you get it fringeradionetwork dot com right at
the top of the page. So anyway, so we're just

(01:17):
gonna go back to cleaning these chimneys and listening to
the Fringe Radio Network. And so I guess you know,
I mean, I guess we're listening together, so I mean,
I know, I mean well, I mean, I guess you
might be listening to.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
A different episode or whatever, or or maybe maybe you're.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Listening maybe you're listening to it, like at a different
time than we are. But I mean, well, I mean,
if you accidentally just downloaded this.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
No, I guess you'd be Okay, I'm rambling, Okay, Okay,
you're listening to the Fringe Radio Network Fringe radionetwork dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
There are you happy?

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Okay, let's clean these chimneys.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
So we are doing the social criticystem too. They're doing
you know, Facebook, snaptat, all of these things, are doing
these things that are controlling people and kids and all
that stuff. But they have they just want control.

Speaker 7 (02:41):
In some ways, I do feel like we're going down
a tech tree that is very dangerous. Like, for example,
if you talk about utility of it, well, if I'm
going to outsource AI to write what I write, I've
seen an application where it takes all of your messages
through all of your different platforms, it consolidates it, and
then it understands you, right, and then it responds to
people for you. So it's like if I'm having AI

(03:03):
text people for me, at what point am I just
giving away?

Speaker 8 (03:08):
Like my life, I'm always looking for products that really
help us as we age and make us feel better.
So many of us are having suffering from energy brain fog.
You know, we're getting older, so we have issues, you
know that just come with age, and we're taking all
these supplements and where you know, I'm always talking about
peptides and things that make you feel better, give you

(03:28):
more energy. And one of the overlooked areas is making
sure that you have the blood flow to get the
oxygen and nutrients to all the cells in your body
and to your brain. And there's a product called blood
Flow seven and it is amazing. It increases your nitric
oxide by two hundred and thirty percent and it opens

(03:49):
up your arteries by sixty two percent, which really improves
blood flow, and it gets those nutrients into your cells.
It helps with brain fog, it helps with energy, helps
with anti aging, it helps with maintain a healthy heart.
If you're interested in this, go to Bloodflow seven dot com,
slash Sarah or use the link below them. Welcome to

(04:11):
Business Game Changers. I'm Sarah Westall. I have Glenn and
Eric Meter coming back to the program to talk about
how to get yourself out of the fricking surveillance state
and to protect your privacy. And we also talk about
what's happening with kids. We're watching kids just shutting down.
He gives you his personal experience how TikTok is really
being used and it's crazy, and what's happening in China

(04:36):
compared to here, and I just some of the stuff
I didn't know. I didn't I didn't know to the
degree how they're using TikTok and China to make sure
they're they do the AI stuff too, but they're just
kind of putting them into this cog box. You got
to listen to this whole show about you know, how
being a cog in a machine and how they're perfectly

(04:57):
doing that for us. They're doing it different, about how
they're just demoralizing our kids and how we're seeing it everywhere.
I mean, our kids are in trouble and it's because
of this stuff, and they're going to talk about it,
but we're also going to talk about privacy and how
to get the hell out of the surveillance.

Speaker 9 (05:13):
State, but different than I usually do.

Speaker 8 (05:15):
He wanted to bring up feminism and it's something that
I've stayed away from like forever.

Speaker 9 (05:20):
I don't want to talk about feminism. I just don't.

Speaker 8 (05:23):
I'm being attacked at every front. I used to be
really activism. I mean, not active in that way, but
I used to be. I never really was an activist
in any way back when I was young, but I
was a feminist.

Speaker 9 (05:35):
I mean, who wasn't who.

Speaker 8 (05:37):
In a healthy way, in their right mind doesn't want
to If you're a libertarian, you want freedom, you believe
in our constitution. Why wouldn't I want freedom and liberty
for myself and for God's sake? If you can't see
how that is applies to everybody and that it is
the essence of feminism really in the way I see it,

(06:00):
how they've twisted it on us and turned it around
and turned it into another attack on women from all perspectives.
I got to tell you, I feel like it's where
we took a thirty year. We went thirty years backwards
from when I you know, in the nineties.

Speaker 9 (06:15):
It's been probably.

Speaker 8 (06:17):
Farther than in the nineties. We're better than it is today.
It's just ludicrous what we're experiencing. So I hope you
appreciate this conversation. I also want to tell you that
we're doing a privacy seminar webinar. I've had great success
with these webinars. If you have not been joining them,
you need to join some of these webinars that I'm doing.

Speaker 9 (06:35):
I'm going to be.

Speaker 8 (06:36):
Doing one with Glenn and Eric Meter on privacy and
leaving the Surveillance State. So I will have the link
below a where you can join this webinar live and
there will also be a replay and I'll make sure
I share that on my substack, So be sure to join.
Because these webinars have been really informative. We're doing Q

(06:56):
and A session and people have been commute, unicating to
me that they really really are appreciative because it's kind
of the edge of change. I've always been about the
edge of change, and this is right on the edge
of change. You need to learn about these things and
be aware so that you can navigate for yourself. So again,
it'll be on August fourteenth at seven pm Central time,

(07:20):
and I'll have the link below. Okay, let's get into this.
Really fantastic and I really like Glenn has raised an
amazing son and Eric he calls Eric calls his dad
Glenn because they work together professionally, but he's his dad,
and he just did a wonderful job raising his son.
I just think his son is just Eric is just great,

(07:42):
and I think you will see why, and he could
be a really good He's really good at sharing with
people what young people are dealing with growing up in
a social media environment, and it is pretty jaw dropping
and eye opening. I did a show with them earlier.
It's one of the top shows I've had in the
last couple of years.

Speaker 9 (08:01):
And I'll put a link below as well.

Speaker 8 (08:03):
You can hear the whole show where he talks about
his experience on social media. I think it's something everyone
should listen to. But anyways, here let's get into this
really fantastic conversation with Eric and Glenn Meter. Hi, Eric
and Glenn, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 10 (08:21):
Thank you, thank you very much for having us.

Speaker 8 (08:24):
Yeah, well, you guys are amazing. You're doing amazing, great work.
You had me and Andy Sheckman on just recently talking
about the financial scams and we are literally you guys
have had dozens of people come in. We are literally
saving people their life savings, their mental health and their
ability to retire, right. I mean, it's incredible, and so

(08:50):
I thank you so much for reaching out to us
and doing that. But you're doing so much more than that.
And I've had Eric on the past. It was probably
one of the best shows I've ever done as far
as view ship talking about the attack on kids and
their minds and controlling how we think. My red line
in the sand is anything that affects our free will

(09:13):
and that's what makes us human, our freedom, libertarian leaning.
I'm not a hardcore anarchist libertarian. I'm just into freedom
and how do you how do people flourish and empowerment
for everyone, And that's what you guys are about.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
Absolutely. I mean, I think I believe the same thing.
I believe in liberty and we need to. That's what
makes America great, That's what makes humanity greats is when
we can all be free. And what they're doing now
is what we primarily focus on, is how they are
trying to manipulate and not trying. They are manipulating us

(09:53):
on the technological level, what let's say AI and and
all all the technological stuff, but it goes beyond that too,
and we can talk there's a lot brought.

Speaker 9 (10:06):
Up something about feminism.

Speaker 8 (10:08):
I don't talk about feminism because I've had all these
trolls into my things talking about, you know, women don't
even want to vote, and I was said, wait a minute,
I'm a libertarian type. I would want to vote. I
want freedom. I want people to leave me the hell alone.
That's why I'm into free will. But there is an
attack on women, there's an attack on men. Can you

(10:28):
talk about that, because you were articulating it so well.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
Well, I just think that there is you know, if
we look at is there any proof for propaganda and
the power of propaganda. And I think one of the
things we can look at is let's look at feminism.
And feminism has always been I'm talking the movement of feminism,
and that has always been about promoting women's rights, promoting

(10:56):
women to have equal rights with men, all of that stuff.
But it took a one eighty turn and it's now
become women are defending men. Women are defending men's rights
to infringe upon women. I mean, when into the whole
trans thing, Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
They're now and just get plantation exactly exactly.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
But if I mean, just think about the switch I
mean it's a total one to eighty switch where you have, okay,
women's rights, Okay, now men, men are women, men can
be women, men can come into women's locker rooms, men
can infringe on Title nine, and all of these things
that all this progress was made, and now it's if

(11:48):
you are against it. If a woman is against you know,
trans people getting into sports or whatever, or going into
women's locker rooms or whatever, then you're the bad guy
and you're not the feminist. And so so I think
we've got to look at these things where there's this
one eighty switch, And to me, that means that when

(12:10):
there's this very quick one eighty switch, that is brainwashing.

Speaker 8 (12:14):
That is that is washing.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Absolutely, that is a very clear indication of brainwashing.

Speaker 8 (12:19):
Yes, but we're saying I'm seeing it from all different
and since we're talking about this topic, I'm seeing the
men because because then you get normal, you get normal
people like you going wait a minute, this is not right,
and we're all like, wait a minute, this isn't right.
We understood. We we're all for any human being having
free will, liberty, the right to fully engage and meet

(12:40):
all their needs and all these things, you know, get
to the best they can be. That doesn't mean that's
not right here. And then we have propaganda on all
sides going after like getting to fight against it. The
fight against that is putting women back into their box.
You guys got to be back like in the fifties

(13:00):
or something. It's like it's it's like everything is inverting again.

Speaker 9 (13:05):
Yep, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 (13:07):
And I think that, oh totally.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
It's a pendulum swing that they've done, and it plays
a lot into identity. I think another really powerful way
that people can tell if they've been brainwashed is if
they have a minefield inside of their brain. Because if
I look at the younger generation, you look at let's
Glenn's topic, he's talking about transgenderism. Just even questioning is

(13:29):
this real is a minefield. That's like stepping on a
landmine in someone's brain. So if you have these hot
button points in your head where you're not even willing
to question something, that means you've most likely been brainwashed
about that topic.

Speaker 8 (13:44):
That's right, because I sent to somebody who was young
who is really into, you know, the the transgender movement, right,
and I think it's something we should be looking at too.
Why are all so many people want Is there something
scientific going on? I had someone tell me that the
microplastics that are that are hitting people's bodies are causing

(14:07):
them to physically change, and so the men, younger men
and women are sexually changing because of all these microplastics,
and there's something more scientifically scientific going on. So that
is like, okay, we need to look at some of that.
So what the heck is going on? Because it does
seem like there's something weird going on.

Speaker 9 (14:26):
That doesn't mean you.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
Go out and get a sex change as a kid
and change your body and stuff.

Speaker 9 (14:32):
I mean, I think we need but we can't be
triggered either. We got to look at this.

Speaker 8 (14:36):
But at the same point I had this young person,
I sent them there's a Reddit group of all these
d transitioners with a ton of studies. Because all these
people are going to kids that they transition with one
that you used to spend years making sure a person
would want to transition. They go to one counseling session
or transitioning. So I sent them a list of all

(14:58):
these studies. I sent it back within ten seconds saying
don't I don't want it. I could read it to
you I don't have it in front of me anymore,
but essentially that it was all bunk because they're all
biased and they're all slanted and brainwashed, and when look
at it, I'm like, wait a minute, this is like
an array of a lot of different studies from all
different groups. He had one source that he believed and

(15:20):
that was the only source he was going to listen to.

Speaker 7 (15:23):
Yeah, and it kind of goes back to the point
of scams too, because people believe what they want to believe.
G Edward Griffin, we were at the Red Pillar Expo
recently and he had a great quote and he said,
I've never met a con man that I didn't trust.

Speaker 10 (15:34):
It's pretty funny because you know, it's great. Yeah. I
laughed a lot when he said that. But you look
at the kids.

Speaker 7 (15:41):
They are believing what they want to believe because it's
been so reinforced. And like you said, he's just going
to reject it on face level because that's not a
reality that he wants to accept.

Speaker 9 (15:52):
Yeah, it's just he knows too many people.

Speaker 8 (15:54):
He knows better. I'm like, well, what about all these
fifty thousand people who are struggling now and are trying
to to get, you know. I mean, so this is
a good example, but we're seeing this brainwashing. I'm in
the Twin Cities there in Minneapolis, which is like a
safe haven for this type of stuff, and I've gotten
to be friends with a lot of people. I'm very

(16:16):
I want to get to know the you know, people
who are seriously going through a lot of this. Most
of them are just incredibly kind, nice people who are struggling, right,
But there are a lot of people who are going
through this, and so what is I do think there's
some science something else is happening, but you don't get

(16:38):
like whole groups of people, you know, like whole teenage
groups of girls coming in wanting to get you know,
transitions if there isn't some brainwashing involved.

Speaker 6 (16:49):
Absolutely, I mean we can look at I think this
is happening on all kinds of different levels. You know,
We've talked about TikTok before and Eric's experience with TikTok,
but you know, we can we can. Let's just talk
about COVID for a second, because yeah, it's the same thing.
So it's this mass was it mass formation psychosis? And

(17:12):
I totally agree, I totally believe that's what's happening there.
But I think about what. One of the things that
I think about with COVID is we are friends with
a lady. My wife is very good friends with this
lady who's a liberal, and before COVID, she was totally
against pharmaceuticals. She was like, you know, natural, this, natural, that,

(17:37):
all of that stuff. And then once she got once
this COVID stuff happened, rejected all of that stuff. If
you don't get a vax, you're crazy. And and then
I would send her. I would send her links also
to scientific studies. There were tons of scientific studies that
says masks don't work, there's no scientific evidence for the

(17:58):
six foot rule. There's you know, the vaccine hasn't been
tested properly. It's a it's an emergency use vaccine. All
this stuff.

Speaker 9 (18:05):
You're in the same boat as so many other Yes, keep.

Speaker 8 (18:08):
Going, and.

Speaker 6 (18:10):
It's exactly what you said. She rejected it. And actually
this was more than one person. It's like she says, Okay,
I only accept information from these sources. I don't accept information.
And I said, these are scientifically published studies, these are
pure reviewed studies, you know, you know, and she just

(18:31):
refused to believe that, and so I think that's part
of the the brainwashing is if they believe if they
watch CNN, if they watch CBS, all of this stuff,
they will be brainwashed. There is no way that you
can't be brainwashed if you're watching those those platforms. And

(18:52):
I think we have to just get them to question,
can you question this stuff? You know, think about what
you used to think, like like a few months before
this happened. I don't I don't know exactly how to
get people to question that.

Speaker 8 (19:05):
But well, let me give you another area. I just
had Kieren Kelly on who has the largest He's amazing.
I'm going to have him back again. He owns the
largest ocean environmental company in the world, and he's cleaning
up the oceans and he works with all these big
corporations that he just finally has enough that he's been
speaking out and he's like and we talked about how

(19:26):
they have co opted the word sustainability, you know, like
Renette Zenim is a good friend of mine too, and
she was really into environmental action. She goes, Sarah, now
it's like inverted.

Speaker 9 (19:36):
They did the same thing.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
They inverted it. They've co opted the movement.

Speaker 9 (19:40):
Who doesn't want sustainability.

Speaker 8 (19:43):
I mean, we don't want our we don't not we
don't want our oceans polluted, we don't want our air polluted,
we don't want our bodies polluted. We want to work,
we want to live in a sustainable environment. But they've
co opted the word and so now they're using it
for co two bs, they're using it to fu and
all these NGOs that do nothing, they're using.

Speaker 9 (20:03):
It for all this like stuff.

Speaker 8 (20:05):
And then so all the legit real like serious people
have been sidelined.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
Yeah, not all.

Speaker 8 (20:12):
I mean he's one of them that hasn't been and
he's just tired of it and he's speaking out.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
I think one of the things, you know, one of
the things that people say is well, so such and
such conspiracy theory couldn't be true because the government couldn't
keep that secret. I think I think one of the
I think one of the superpowers of government and that
I think the only thing that they're good at is

(20:38):
keeping secrets.

Speaker 8 (20:40):
But they keep but they can't Okay, I'm sorry, I
don't mean to interrupt you, but they can't keep the secret.
This is the blackmail or the brainwashing part is you
will show them how they the whistle blow. You know,
I can show parade of whistleblowers coming out from the
government and like, well they didn't keep it secret, and

(21:00):
they still glaze over what is that?

Speaker 6 (21:04):
Yeah? And it's going to go further. I mean, now
they're doing this digital id, they're gonna start really cracking
down on freedom of speech online. We see this all
over the place, and people are still not going to
question it. They're going to just go along with what
they hear. I see this in Europe, by the way,
much more so than I see it in the US.

(21:25):
In the US, you've got people that really do are
skeptical and very skeptical of the government. In Europe, I
don't see much of that skepticism at all. Actually, Well, the.

Speaker 8 (21:36):
Irish guy I just had, he said that Ireland, the
protests are growing and people are angry, and he's like
it's getting dangerous over there, and he says that people
are being put into prison for social media posts. The show,
he became a US citizen so he can speak out,
and he's just thinking that his son was murdered, which

(21:57):
is just a horrible story. He talks about that, but
the show we did, he's like I'd be put in
prison for what I'm saying now on this show.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
That is he here now, Well, he's a.

Speaker 8 (22:11):
US citizen, he's a dual citizen. He's here, but he's
also I think he was Indonesia when we talked. But
he's his company is worldwide because I mean, he really
is a multi billion dollar ocean cleanup company, and people
are starting to speak out and just say, if we
want to save our world and literally save freedom, we

(22:33):
have to start speaking up.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
Yeah, And I think that kind of goes back to
what you're talking about with keeping secrets in the government, Glenn.
I think a lot of people don't know what's going on.
I think they're also brainwashed too.

Speaker 8 (22:49):
You mean people who work in the government.

Speaker 7 (22:51):
Yeah, I think like if you look at there's definitely
people who are in the government, not necessarily at high level.
I think a lot of it is a trickle down
where the top knows everything and then it goes down
layer by layer, and you know, people maybe either convince
themselves just like everyone else does, or maybe they're blackmailed.
But I think there's a lot of people that don't

(23:13):
know and they do have a good intention.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
Yeah, most people don't know.

Speaker 8 (23:17):
Yeah, but they don't know because they're still kept into
this digital prison.

Speaker 9 (23:24):
System of eco echo chamber.

Speaker 8 (23:27):
I mean it's I'm not allowed on YouTube, for example,
and I'm suppressed.

Speaker 9 (23:31):
All over the place. And anybody who thinks open and anybody.

Speaker 8 (23:34):
Who really can challenge the narrative about freedom and liberty
and just you know, they used to believe in this,
The left used to believe in empowering a voice like me.
They no longer do. And so anybody who can reach
people is suppressed.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Yeah. Yeah, And if we look at the story that
Eric talked about previously on your show with with his
experience with TikTok and how the social media, the social
media AI. Actually I'll just tell a little bit of
what I think, what my theory is is. I mean, a.

Speaker 8 (24:12):
Minute before we get into that, I have to ask
you as a father, and I never asked you this
before as a father, when you realize what they were
doing to your son, what did that? And we got
to talk a little bit about what they did, how
did that make you feel?

Speaker 6 (24:30):
Well freaked out? Quite honestly. I mean a lot of
things I have had my eyes opened, like every every
few days in this business what I'm doing. And I've
had it. I've had it opened, my eyes opened, and
it was freaky. And it also it also though, explained
a lot of things as far as why are kids nowadays?

(24:52):
Because it wasn't just my son, it's it's also all
of his friends, every one of them are lost, and
it's like, how can this be? I mean, when I
look back on my life when I was his age,
I don't remember anyone really being lost, not like that. Yeah,
not like that. No, I mean there were, yeah, there

(25:14):
were a couple people that were lost, but I mean
most people, you know, you took this path or this path,
or maybe you didn't know which path you were going
to go on, but you didn't really worry about it
because you knew things would work out. That's kind of
where I was. And but his group of friends is
just like totally lost.

Speaker 8 (25:34):
Let me ask you, Eric, because I think you sound
a lot like my kids. Actually, my daughter is not.
She's doing really well, she's really focused, but she has
a group of her friends that are like your friends.
I mean, a lot of them are really lost. But
she struggles to find people who are not lost almost

(25:57):
I mean, it's hard for her.

Speaker 10 (26:01):
Definitely.

Speaker 7 (26:02):
I actually, so I work online with Glenn, and I
decided to move out of the hometown that I grew
up in Lincoln, Nebraska, and I did that just because
I felt like I needed a new start to be
able to find new people. And that's one of the
reasons why I came to Europe actually, and so I
came here and it's definitely more in person. I don't

(26:23):
think it hit the I'm in hungry and in Hungary
it hasn't hit the same at least yet over here.
So there's definitely people you can find. But yeah, to
answer the original question, it is definitely hard to find
people that are really dialed in. But what I will
say too is the youth is not They're confused, but

(26:46):
they have hope. I mean, I think this is the
first generation that's looking at new technology like the neulink
or AI, and it might be the first time where
people are saying, Okay, what is going on here. I'm
not going to put a chip in my head. I
don't want to use AI. I want to support you know,
creators or whatever. And so I think they know something's
up and they're going to push back against it.

Speaker 10 (27:07):
But they're just pretty confused.

Speaker 8 (27:09):
They're starting to realize that their free will is under attack,
that their very essence of being a human being might
be lost if they venture down this road. Can you
talk about so people understand what happened to you? We don't.

Speaker 9 (27:23):
I mean, they can.

Speaker 8 (27:24):
Go and watch the other show, which is really detailed,
but just for people who haven't seen it, give us
kind of like a brief synopsis so that they understand
and why. I asked Glenn how he felt as a dad,
because it's and this is happening to This is happening
to your grandkids or your kids too, So give us
your tell us because it's incredible.

Speaker 10 (27:46):
Of course.

Speaker 7 (27:46):
Yeah, so I'm twenty six now, but this is about
six years ago. I was in a hard time in
my life. I was very lost, I was angry, depressed, confused, whatever,
And I decided I wanted to pursue a care in cooking,
so I went to culinary school and I also had
a job as a line cook. And I remember there's
one specific day where I was at work and I

(28:08):
was just feeling really depressed and I just listened to
the song Rotten Apple by Alice in Chains all day.
Basically the whole shift. Then I came home and you.

Speaker 8 (28:18):
Kept repeating the song over and over.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
Yeah, yep, it was on repeat. And then I come
home and keep in mind, Glenn had been telling me
for a long time all of these different things. He'd
planted a lot of thought seeds. And so I get home,
I go on TikTok and I start scrolling and there
was a post there that said, when you're a line
cook and you listen to Alice, or when you're a
line cook and you listen to Rotten Apple twenty four

(28:40):
to seven and you want to kill yourself. And it
was just like a meme format with a little cartoon chef.

Speaker 10 (28:46):
And when I.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
Saw that, I was like, wow, this is beyond coincidence levels,
and so I direct I immediately uninstalled TikTok. And if
you just think about it, logically, Okay, my phone tracks
where I go. They see I go to a culinary
school and that I work as a line cook. They
see the photos that take they see the messages that
I send to people. Obviously I'm listening to Spotify to

(29:09):
listen to Rotten Apple. It's all connected. It's so easy
for anything remotely intelligent to piece together something and create it.
And when I first originally started talking about this, it
was a story I never liked talking about because it
just seems so unbelievable. But as time has gone on,
each time I tell the story, it's much more believable

(29:31):
because people actually see what AI can do now. I
mean back then, AI wasn't even really a thing, so
they thought.

Speaker 8 (29:37):
You were crazy, like you are a nutbag, and now
they're realizing maybe he's wow.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
Yeah yeah. So here's the point. Here's the main point
about this is he was specifically under attack, and not
just him personally, but teens are specifically under attack, and
I believe what happens. I'll just give you the high
level here is I think that you know TikTok is

(30:07):
a Chinese company. I think President z president of China,
went to the president of TikTok and said, okay, now
use your use the TikTok Ai to destabilize kids in America,
Radicalize them, make them depressed, make them go down to
this rabbit hole of despair, all of that stuff. And

(30:27):
the AI can do that because the AI watches you,
learns about you, learns about your hot buttons, all of
this stuff. Then it can take you down your own
unique rabbit hole to take you to that place that
they want to go. And this is why I think,
this is why Americans are in teens especially are so

(30:48):
are the way they are now.

Speaker 8 (30:49):
They isn't that sad though, going because they could take
AI and do the exact opposite.

Speaker 9 (30:55):
But anyways, keep going.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
And they are in China. So if you look at
the Chinese, they are doing it the opposite. They are
taking teams, they're taking teens and kids, and they're teaching
them traditionals, you know, Chinese traditions and how to succeed
at work, and how to become a better man.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
And how to be strong and independent and be mentally healthy.
And then if they see something that makes them a
little you know it's not mentally healthy, they'll kind of
guide them like parents do. And you don't want to
depend on an AI. You want to depend on parents.
But it can it can be a tool in that way.
And they are going to kick our but by having

(31:36):
a healthy, strong, mentally healthy society. And we have a
bunch of sick mentally sick people here just a short
break from the program to share with you an amazing
peptide to help you lose weight. It's stronger than ozempic.
And why it's because it not only reduces your appetite,
but it also burns fat. These other glp ones on

(31:58):
the market, they do not burn fat, They just reduce
your appetite.

Speaker 9 (32:03):
This one, read a truetide, is stronger.

Speaker 8 (32:05):
It's considered a next generation peptide because of that. And man,
does this work. I've been using it for two and
a half weeks and I've already lost eleven pounds and
I cut my dose in half because I was losing
weight too quickly and that kind of freaked me out,
to be honest, And so I also am taking this
five amino one m Q encapsule form. This helps by

(32:29):
making sure that you lose fat, not muscle, and so
in conjunction, I'm using both of these. This will work
whether you have this or not, and I am telling
you it's amazing. If you are interested in getting this,
I have the link below, or you can go to
sarahwestl dot com. On the shop. You can use a
cup on code Sarah to save ten percent. If you
have questions about your own use, you should either consult

(32:50):
your doctor or you can join doctor Diane's tribe and
I have a link below to that. It is only
a dollar for the first week. You can ask her
any question you want and get all your answers to
this how to take an injectable and there shouldn't be
any fear in doing that. It is easy and straightforward.
Go to Sarah westl dot com undershop are used a

(33:11):
link below and remember to use coupon code serum.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Yeah, I think I think China's not doing it right either, obviously.
I mean they are controlling their population too. They have
AI in this classroom.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
The AI watches for parents and stuff.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
Yes, it's yeah, and like it'll watch kids eye movements,
the little micro expressions. They will see if they're paying attention,
if they have attitude problems, whatever.

Speaker 8 (33:38):
They're doing this now, and they are they shutting down
these kids' ability to be anything but robots. I mean,
they're they're taking it to a whole other level.

Speaker 6 (33:49):
Well, that's what the Chinese social credit system is, and
that's what is that is coming to us too. But again,
the Chinese are creating a system that creates like a
Really they don't care about the individual in China. They
care about the machinery, of the society. They want to

(34:10):
create this machine that is very they're not.

Speaker 8 (34:13):
They don't care about mental health either. They care about
these people. That's why AI is so powerful. They care
about making sure that they are in the cog of
the machine with the mental attitude they need for that cog.

Speaker 6 (34:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (34:28):
Yeah, now that the matter way of.

Speaker 8 (34:30):
Saying it, instead of this mental health mentally, I'm thinking
about it from idealistic standpoint. I'm thank you for correcting me.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
Yeah. And now the West is different, So we are
doing the social criticism too. They're doing you know, Facebook, snaptat,
all of these things, are doing these these things that
are controlling people and kids and all that stuff. But
they have they just want control. It's all about control.

(34:58):
They don't care.

Speaker 8 (35:00):
I mean, look what they did to Eric. I think
they're trying to just demoralize people.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah, I mean that's that's definitely part
of it. The people in charge in the West, I
think are truly bad people. They don't give a dam
about anything. These are absolute psychopaths. And so I think,
you know, going full circle back to what we were
talking about before with the brainwashing and all of that stuff.

(35:27):
I think one of the key things that we have
to get across is you have to realize that they
are brainwashing you and that you are actually under attack,
and you have to be skeptical, you have to be careful,
you have to take steps to to unwind yourself from
from that. And it's difficult because one of the things

(35:48):
that we talked about also is now they're putting AI
on your computer. So if you have an Apple or
a Windows computer, it's not just this TikTok ai that's
watching you learning about you. You've got AI on your
computer and Windows and Apple all of that stuff. That
AI on your computer is has no other purpose other

(36:09):
than to learn about you and watch you and learn
what makes you take what are your happens, where do
you get your news, what are the headlines that you read? Whatever?
Then they have the AI is really good at that,
and then the AI will then be able to be
able to manipulate you on an individual level and brings

(36:31):
on an individual level.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
And see, the thing is, because we've got psychopaths wanting
to do that, if we had systems put in place
to not you know, laws and regulation. I don't like regulations, laws,
but we have to do this that keeps make sure
our free will. Just like we had a constitution to

(36:52):
make sure that we had liberty and freedom. That constitution
needs to go all the way deep into all these
algorithms and say this is violating our free our freedom,
our liberties are.

Speaker 9 (37:05):
You can't do this.

Speaker 8 (37:06):
And so if we want an AI agent to help
us do because I don't mind having an AI agent
that is kept on guard rails from a software standpoint
so that it doesn't manipulate me and it but it
helps me do my job better. Do you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (37:24):
I'm a I'm a scientist.

Speaker 8 (37:26):
I'm into technology, so I want I can see from
a science standpoint, from a computer science standpoint, how could
be really a wonderful tool. What I don't want is
anybody screwing around with my my free will and manipulating
the way I think.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they're just doing this deceptively. I mean,
I think that's the key is who's in charge of
the AI. If you can have your own AI and
you know, eventually I've talked to Eric about this a lot.
What I would like to see is like your own
little R two D two that you know protects you

(38:02):
and I mean it's designed to protect you from all
of this manipulation, all of this other stuff that's happening.
I mean, I think we're a ways away from that,
but I think but you got the point.

Speaker 8 (38:12):
It's the same thing. Yeah, I mean this.

Speaker 9 (38:13):
Could be tools.

Speaker 8 (38:14):
We need tools to keep us free, tools to protect us.
We have enough engineers out there making tools to attack
and do all that. We need to start making some
tools to keep us free and independent.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
I'm personally Glenn likes AI more than me. I'm not
one hundred percent sold on it. In some ways, I
do feel like we're going down a tech tree that
is very dangerous. Like, for example, if you talk about
utility of it, Well, if I'm going to outsource AI
to write what I write, I've seen an application where

(38:49):
it takes all of your messages through all of your
different platforms, it consolidates it, and then it understands how
you write, and then it responds to people for you.
So it's like, if I'm having AI text people for me,
at what point am I just giving away like my life?
And another thing I think about is we have become
a very hyper specialized society. Like I think Glenn's grandfather

(39:11):
built his own house with his hands. I know I
could not do that, you know. So there's people in
my generation. Yeah, they can fill out a really good
Excel spreadsheet. But what's going to happen if the power
goes out?

Speaker 3 (39:24):
You know?

Speaker 7 (39:25):
So I think we are definitely trading some of our
personal autonomy for this hyper smart AI.

Speaker 8 (39:33):
Well but do you think that possibly? I mean, I said,
bugged me on LinkedIn when everybody was automatically responding to everybody,
and then now everybody's automatically responding and nobody's even on
there anymore, and so it's stupid. Uh do you get
to that point where you're not even using it and
it's just the bots? And so in the real world,
it's essentially in what knocks each other out. It's a

(39:55):
negative effect on everything, right, because if you're only having
bots or respond to bots and people aren't even involved anymore,
it becomes a negative I mean, it's just nothing rights itself.

Speaker 10 (40:07):
Right, I think it? Sorry, do you want to go no,
go ahead ahead?

Speaker 7 (40:14):
Well, what I was going to say is, I think
it depends in the sense that people are addicted to
their electronics, and the difference is it's not just a
response from LinkedIn.

Speaker 10 (40:23):
It's an intelligent thing.

Speaker 7 (40:25):
So even if you look at it from a scam level,
I could have conversations on a very deep level build
relationships with something that's not real. Or if you look
at your Twitter feed, whatever, every single thing on there
could be fake. I mean, I don't know if you've
heard of the dead Internet theory, but you could be
placed into basically an entire false reality because of what

(40:47):
you see on your computer.

Speaker 10 (40:48):
I don't know if I'm going too deep or no.

Speaker 8 (40:50):
That's true, but that gets to my point where it's
like everybody's responding to everybody, and nobody's responding to anybody,
essentially because in a real world nobody nobody even knew
what was going on on LinkedIn, but everybody's responding to
each other and nobody even knows it. But if you're
the only one who's real, then that becomes really a minefield,

(41:12):
and so it becomes our own personal responsibility, right.

Speaker 10 (41:16):
Yeah, Yeah, that's what I was getting at.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
Definitely, Yeah, yeah, I think you know. We talk a
lot about the political side of things too. Actually it's
not been our really main focus for a long time,
but I really do want to make change on the
political level, and it can only happen on the local level.
And so we're doing a lot more on local level

(41:41):
political change now, and we're meeting people, We're going to
meetings and meeting face to face with people like from
Children's Health Defense Group and Stand for Health Freedom and
you know that type of thing. And g Edward Griffin
is doing things where he's trying to organized local communities.

(42:03):
You know. I think I think people have will have
to go back to local and meeting people face to
face and that type of thing. I think I think
we're going to go. I think that's one things that
I feel good about if we can do that, and
if we can kind of go into our little micro
groups and I.

Speaker 8 (42:25):
Think doing Yeah, So give us some examples of some
of the things they can do, because people are they
know that things are wrong, right, but they don't know
what to do and they're so busy. What is some
meaningful things that people can get involved with, because I
think most people have checked out.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
Okay, So I've got a five five step plan of
action that I tell people about. So the first thing is,
I think people have to be aware. They have to
become really aware of what's going on. I think that's
very true on the technological side and how this manipulation
happens all of this stuff, but the attacks are also

(43:03):
all of these attacks are happening on the legal side too,
And it's not just like you know, you can hear
about all this stuff happening in London and Europe and
all that stuff, It's happening in your local town too.
So I think being aware is the number one thing.
The second part that we talk about is get your
own house in order, and we talk about that primarily

(43:24):
from the technology side, privacy side, that type thing. And
then we talk about you know, share, spread the word
that type thing. And then then the fourth point is
do what you can with the skills that you have.
And that is really I think what we need. And
this is what g. Edward Griffin was really talking about too.

Speaker 8 (43:47):
Is.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
The US is created with as a decentralized power structure.
So the constitution creates it. It really limits the power
of the federal government. I mean, the federal government really
has has very little authority at all. It all comes
down to the states and to the local communities. And
so one of the reasons that we are in the

(44:11):
situation we're in right now is because we have let
the federal government take all these powers that it doesn't have.
But the Constitution is still the law of the land,
and any.

Speaker 8 (44:20):
Law brought brainwashed to believe the federal government is more
powerful than it is. And then all of our media,
if you turn on the media, all they talk about
all day long is the federal government. And that's part
of the whole brainwashing thing.

Speaker 6 (44:35):
So that's what I think is what we need to do,
is on the we need to have let's say somebody
needs to run for governor that says, Okay, the federal
government is out, you're not. So we're in Nebraska here,
you're the federal government is out on everything. You don't
have the you don't have the authority to have the

(44:56):
Department of Education, the CDC, the FDA, all of these,
all of these named organizations. There is no authority that
they have to create those things. So you're out unless
you can prove that you have the constitutional authority to
be in this in the state for such and such reason.
And just I think there's got to be that level

(45:17):
of you're out. And as soon as we do that,
we can gather, we can gain more freedom and more
liberty than we have had in one hundred years. So
we're marching towards this future where it looks like they're
going to enslave humanity, and we could flip that to
the point where we have more liberty than we have

(45:38):
than than our fathers have had, our grandfathers have had
all of that stuff, because we can take it back
to the local level. That's the law, and I'm just
talking about following the law.

Speaker 8 (45:49):
But don't you think that there's almost like two two
things happening in this country. There's the people who are
doing what you two are doing and states that are
really starting to get it. And then there's the like
a state like mine, or at least it's more like
the cities in states like the Blue States, in cities

(46:12):
like where I'm living, who are going the opposite direction,
giving all their power away.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
Yeah, that's what everybody does. I mean, everybody does that,
and they just they I don't think that most state
senators or governors know that they have the power and
the responsibility to protect our liberty by standing it up
to the federal government. I don't think they even think

(46:38):
that way. They just, you know, this is the way
it has been done this way, everyone else is doing it,
So that's the way I'm going to do it. And
I think it's up to we the people, to stand up.
And this was g Edward Griffin's main message at the
last Red Pill Expo is he said, I have been
educating people for sixty years, and he said, I woke

(47:02):
up one morning and I said, we've lost. We've lost,
because yes, I've educated all these people all that, But
then but we're not in positions of power because the
good people don't want to be in power. It's the
bad people that want to be in power. We don't
want to do it.

Speaker 8 (47:17):
That's but see that's the point because I talk about
how I want liberty and freedom for everybody, but that
means that I don't want to take power over you exactly.
I want exactly, but I want to control you exactly.

Speaker 6 (47:30):
And that's that's that's why we are not in positions
of power.

Speaker 10 (47:35):
And I also think that.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
The people who should be in power are the people
that don't want to be in power. The people that
shouldn't be in power are the people that want to
be there because because they they're the psychopaths.

Speaker 10 (47:51):
Yeah, and I think them for sure.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 (47:55):
I think the Libertarian Party has lost its way in
that sense, actually, because because if you look at our
founding fathers, they were very, very fierce people. They weren't
just you know, live and let live. It was if
you do this, I mean, you know what happened, We're
going to go to war over it.

Speaker 10 (48:15):
They were very.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
Violent in protecting themselves. And I'm not saying violence is
the answer. I don't believe that. But you have to
protect your freedom like your life depends on it.

Speaker 8 (48:25):
And I think that's just to add to that. They
went to war for a lot less than what we're doing.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
Yeah, oh yeah, But Eric was going.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
To tell you how impressed I am with the work
that you have done, and you were I've always told
your dad that too. Is I'm just so impressed with
you and where you are mentally and how you see things,
and maybe you needed to go through some of that
to get to the point of where you are today.
And I think you're going to be a bright leader

(48:58):
for people to see and overcome this. This is very
serious and I want people to understand your story because
this is I mean, we're we will. Like I've told Glynn,
I think we are going to really lose if this
happens to our kids, our kids, I mean, you think
our generation is under attack.

Speaker 9 (49:19):
If the kids don't get themselves out of this.

Speaker 8 (49:21):
The country's done in the next generation.

Speaker 6 (49:25):
Or they won't or they won't have kids. I mean,
if they feel it's hopeless, they're not going to have
kids and bring them into this world. I think that's
that's a real problem too.

Speaker 10 (49:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (49:37):
No, and I really appreciate that, Sarah. I'm very grateful
for my father and everyone else. I mean, like I
said the other day, your article about the gold skims,
that's what allowed me to see through it. So obviously
I'm not some like profit or anything. I've been helped
by everyone else, and I want to help other people
like I've been helped too. And there were definitely times

(49:58):
in my youth where I was so low that anyone
looking at me would instantly write me off and be
like lost, cause done. And it kind of goes back
to a quote that Glenn always likes from Leonardo da Vinci,
Where's there's people who will see, or there's people who see.
There's people who will see when they're shown, and there's
people who don't see. And I like it, but it's
also it's too black and white, because I think there's

(50:20):
a lot of people who are extremely lost, and all
it takes is something to shatter their comfortable reality for
them to start breaking that shell and growing. And so
I definitely want to help the youth and everyone in
general get past this because I think right now it's
kind of like a cancer of brainwashing that's going over
the world.

Speaker 8 (50:40):
Well, I don't think the older folks quite understand what
the kids are going through because I didn't grow up
on the internet.

Speaker 9 (50:49):
I didn't grow up.

Speaker 8 (50:49):
With social media.

Speaker 9 (50:51):
You did.

Speaker 8 (50:51):
It's a different reality for you your generation than it
is for ours, and so we don't understand it like
you do. We could try, but we didn't come to
age in that.

Speaker 7 (51:06):
Yeah, you know, Yeah, I mean it's it's definitely a
very strange time period. I have maybe a little bit
foot out of the door because I remember my childhood
up until I was ten, where I was outdoors most
of the time, but then as soon as I got
into my teenage years, total total online and that really

(51:28):
affected me in many different ways. I mean, I don't
think I've ever talked about this with anyone. I've talked
to Glenn about this, But there were some people that
I knew closely and when I was like twelve, they
would just not stop showing me like awful gore videos.
Just I've seen countless, countless people die, and when you're
twelve years old, you see that sort of thing.

Speaker 10 (51:47):
I mean that messes you up more than seeing porn
or anything.

Speaker 7 (51:50):
I mean seeing people brutally get murdered, and then just
talking about the narratives and the group think that happens
through social media. It really is a generation unlike any other.

Speaker 9 (52:03):
I think, do you think that shutting off social media?

Speaker 8 (52:07):
My daughter just eventually I'm so proud of her, but
I didn't realize until, like, You're one of the people
that helped me understand a little bit more what my daughter.

Speaker 9 (52:15):
Was talking about.

Speaker 8 (52:15):
But she just finally shut off all social media when
she was in high school, I think a senior in
high school, and then throughout college she just really kind
of dug in emotionally and became a lot healthier. But
she just said I'm done with social media, and I
think that was one of the best things she's ever done.
Now she kind of gets into it, but more with

(52:36):
LinkedIn and more very she's very careful about it now.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
And I think that was one of the best things
she's ever done.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (52:46):
Oh yeah, I think.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
LinkedIn is so bad too, though.

Speaker 8 (52:51):
I mean she has to do it for a professional
I mean she's not all the time. It's just like,
you don't have to have your professional freaking profile and
stuff because she's in the business world. But in general,
you know, you just stop doing it. And I think
young people, that's what we need. What do you think
about kids like in high school or even parents just

(53:12):
saying no social media at all?

Speaker 7 (53:17):
Yeah, I mean I would Sorry, my dog's going crazy.
I would definitely recommend that. As far as the parents side,
I think it needs to be an education push with
it too. Otherwise the kid will just be like, oh,
my parents sucks, my friends don't like me because I
can't do this. Everyone has it, blah blah blah. They
need to understand why they can't have it, and you know,

(53:39):
you might have to get real with them on.

Speaker 10 (53:41):
A lot of levels of how bad it is.

Speaker 9 (53:44):
Was that sorry, Well, they won't understand.

Speaker 8 (53:46):
So is there are there other Because you know, I
grew I remember the kids that had super strict parents
and then they shut down too, right, and then you
end up having a kid that's isolated and shut down.
And that's the psychosis too that you develop. So are
there social media environments that are kid friendly and mentally
healthy for these kids?

Speaker 10 (54:10):
I don't know, honestly.

Speaker 7 (54:11):
I mean social media is designed to collect information and
basically manipulate you with what you're shown. I mean, I
would say the best way is to cut it all out. So,
as you mentioned before, I did the training for kids,
I'm merging them into Privacy Academy.

Speaker 10 (54:28):
Where so what we do is we teach people how
to exit.

Speaker 7 (54:31):
The surveillance state, and I'm building out the platform right
now where half of it is okay, let's educate the
children with the parents, and then the other section is okay,
let's educate the parents on how they can make sure
everything's going correctly, everything's set up safe.

Speaker 10 (54:46):
And so on.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
But I think what it comes down to is when
I first was inspired to teach the youth, my inspiration
was to teach them how to think and not what
to think, because if you look at everything that's going on,
it's just telling kids what to think, what to think,
what to think, And I don't want to just go
and say that's wrong, that's wrong, that's wrong. You just
have to arm them with knowledge, and you have to

(55:12):
at a certain point. I think parents have to accept
where it's like the mama bird letting the baby bird
jump out of the nest and understand it has to
fly on its own. Once they understand, Okay, I understand
what my identity is and how the words that I
use affect it. I understand emotions, the importance of being skeptical,
all these different things, then they can figure it out themselves.

(55:35):
I mean, I don't think it will be easy. I
don't think it's necessarily easy, especially nowadays, but it is,
you know, something they'll have to figure out on their own.

Speaker 6 (55:44):
And I'll say that. You know, you noticed earlier when
Eric was talking about his experience that he went through,
and he talked about the seeds that I planted in him.
I think, really that's one of the most important things
that we can do, is just plant those seeds and
you know, be there with them. And and quite honestly,

(56:06):
if I if I was raising a kid in today's world,
I would absolutely homeschool them. I would bring them through
my world. I would I would not trust anyone else
with with my son. You know, I think that's a
you know, how can we I guess I've just totally

(56:28):
changed my view on this off we just turn our
kids over. Actually, most of their lives they experience something,
they're they're taught by people that I don't know. I
don't know their values. I don't know anything about them,
and there they're just passed along from person in person
and you know, we trust that they're going to be

(56:50):
okay after all of that stuff. But I think if
I was to do it again, like I said, I
would not do that, would well it's.

Speaker 8 (56:56):
A different world now, right, we have been educated.

Speaker 9 (56:59):
I mean, I don't know if I do.

Speaker 8 (57:01):
My kids turned out pretty good, and Eric, I think
you have too. But if I look back on I'm like,
I don't know, you know, what would I do different
because I I don't think i'd put I for sure
wouldn't put them in the public schools.

Speaker 6 (57:17):
I think they turned out good in spite of the schools.
I think we quite we got lucky in a way.

Speaker 8 (57:25):
You know, maybe we did.

Speaker 6 (57:28):
That's the way I look at it.

Speaker 8 (57:30):
Maybe we did. I think I got lucky in some
of the things I landed into just stumbling into marrying
my husband. I always tell people that I don't know
what I was doing, you know, I just stumbled in
and form. Now that I'm older and I know what
I would what's good for me and for having a
family and stuff, I'm like, wow, I kind of got lucky.
I got somebody who actually is like this.

Speaker 9 (57:49):
But when I was young, I.

Speaker 8 (57:50):
Wasn't smart enough to know that. So you do kind
of stumble into all these things. And and so that's
why you need the guidance of your parents that I
would have done it differently. So you do more than
I mean, you're doing so many good things. You're also
teaching people how to protect themselves from a computer. You
even have laptops now that are privacy laptops so that

(58:11):
you won't be spied on. You can use the internet safely,
because I mean to in today's world, I have to
use the internet, right, I have my tools, But you
have for people who want to use the internet safely.

Speaker 9 (58:24):
You even have stuff for that now.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
Yeah, yeah, I would say that, you know, we do.
We do have computers when we have phones and that
type thing. And and I think that's the easy thing
for people to go to. I mean, I do encourage
people to get, you know, one of these devices, but
don't just get those and think that you're safe. I
think you need to you need to have the knowledge,

(58:49):
and I think actually the knowledge is the starting point.
You have to learn this stuff. You have to become aware,
you have to think, you have to change how you
think about all this stuff before you get the tools.
The tools are kind of like, okay, the easy way out.
I think I'm going to buy like a silver bullet
that's going to solve all my problems. But there is

(59:09):
no silver bullet for the technology side of things. You
have to know it. And so that's what we try
to do. We try to take a very complex subject
and make it as simple as possible, and I think
we do a really good job at that.

Speaker 8 (59:24):
So we're going to do a webinar. Can you tell
us when the webinar? Exactly seven o'clock on August fourteenth, right.

Speaker 7 (59:31):
Yes, seven pm Central time, August fourteenth, and yep, so.

Speaker 8 (59:36):
We can get deeper into these You're going to give
a presentation and do question and answers. I think the
important things is the question and answers you're going to give.
We're going to talk more about this stuff, and you
have a talk that you give for a certain amount
of time. It's about an hour webinar, and then people
can ask questions. And it's so when I've had we

(59:57):
had hundreds of people there last time that we did.
This will be a different webinar than we did the
first time, but people were so thankful because they got
to ask questions, they got to learn about things. It's
it's really it's really informative.

Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
Yep. That's what we try to do. We try to
make it something that is educational, inspirational. You know, some
of the stuff we talk about, I mean when you
talk about what they're trying to do the world they're
trying to create, and I'm talking about the globalists and
the governments and the big tech all of that stuff.
It's pretty dystopian and it's it seems pretty dark. But

(01:00:37):
I don't believe that that's necessarily going to be our future.
I think we we can stand up for liberty, like
I said, and actually get more liberty than we've ever had,
but we have to it's not going to just happen.
We have to actively make that happen and become aware.

Speaker 8 (01:00:53):
Of that and it doesn't mean we can't use technology,
you know. I mean, we can use all these tools,
but we have to understand and being aware and then
actually make sure these tools aren't messing with us.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:01:06):
So okay, guys, thank you so much for joining the program.
August fourteenth, seven pm Central time, And it'll be amazing.
And I've been doing webinars every few months now and
I've just been getting really great Like the first one
we did together, I got great reviews and people are
really learning a lot from these webinars. So I'm so

(01:01:28):
glad that you're joining. I needed to do another one
on privacy and the surveillance. It is probably I say,
there's two priorities, two number one priorities for humanity right now,
and that's the global economic system and the surveillance state
and what we're dealing with. These are the two number
one priorities. So thank you so much for being engaged

(01:01:49):
and being and having actual action plans and help for people,
because that's what they are struggling to do. How do
they actually do something that can helpful?

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
Yeah, well, thank you, and and if you don't mind,
I want to just say one final thing, so I was.
I was going through my list of five steps, and
I saw the first step was be aware, second step
is get your house in order. A third step is share.
Fourth step was use your talents to help help with liberty.

(01:02:26):
And then the fifth step I think is very important,
and that is do everything you can do and then
turn it over to God. And so so don't live
in fear, you know, live your life, live your life
to the fullest, love life. And and I think that
last step is very important because this it can be

(01:02:50):
very daunting when you look at this big global They've
got all these power structures in place, and they're building
this wall around us and everything. But you know, all
we can do is what we can do, and then
we just have to turn it over to God. And
so I just wanted to leave on that.

Speaker 8 (01:03:06):
Yeah, that message there, but that's important because I think
right now people are all we're in a turning point.
We all feel it. And I think that letting goal goal,
doing working as hard as you can, doing everything you can,
and simultaneously letting goal is where the powers at in
everything you do. Really, I mean, because you can't by

(01:03:29):
worrying to death, you're not going to get it done. Right.
So in anything that you do, I mean to be
the best ath I used to coach a lot of
athletes to be the top athlete. You have to do
exactly that as well, because worrying yourself you can't it,
that never helps. So you do you bring God into it.

(01:03:49):
Thank you so much for bringing that up, because that's
that is such a nuanced, important lesson that everyone can
benefit from.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
Yeah, thank you, guys, Thank you, Sarah.

Speaker 10 (01:04:03):
And it will thank you very much.

Speaker 9 (01:04:05):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Hi everybody, it's me Cinderea Acts. I'm just listening to
the Fringe Radio Network while I clean these chimneys with
my gass livers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Anyway, so Chad White, the fringe cowboy, I mean he's
like he took.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
A leave of absence or whatever, and so the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Guys asked me to do the network. I d So
you're listening to the Fringe Radio Network. I know I
was gonna say it, Fringe Radio Network.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
Dot com what oh chat?

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Oh? Yeah, do you have the app?

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
It's the best way to listen to the Fringe Radio Network.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
I mean it's so great.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I mean it's clean and simple and you have all
the shows, all the episodes, and you have the live chat,
and it's it's safe, and it won't hurt your phone,
and it sounds beautiful, and it won't track you or
trace you, and you don't have to log in to
use it. How do you get it fringeradionetwork dot com

(01:05:27):
right at the top of the page. So anyway, so
we're just gonna go back to cleaning these chimneys and
listening to the Fringe Radio Network. And so I guess
you know, I mean, I guess we're listening together. So
I mean, I know, I mean well, I mean, I
guess you might be listening to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
A different episode or whatever, or or maybe maybe you're.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Listening maybe you're listening to it, like at a different
time than we are. But I mean, well, I mean,
if you accidentally just downloaded.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
This, no, I guess you'd be Okay, I'm rambling.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Okay, Okay, you're listening to the Fringe Radio Network fringradionetwork
dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
There are you happy?

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Okay, let's clean these chimneys.