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This conversation pulls you straight into the wild, wonderful, and deeply supernatural world woven into the pages of Scripture. We explore ancient bloodlines, cosmic rebellions, hybrid beings, and the strange clues most Christians skip right over because they were never taught how to look for them. Adam walks us through his “warehouse manager” method of reading the Bible — tracking patterns, identifying anomalies, and letting the text define its own boundaries. From Ezekiel’s “wicked conception rituals” to the kings and princes ruling unseen nations, the conversation raises big, honest questions about what the biblical authors actually believed. We also dive into good vs. evil Nephilim, hybrid bloodlines in Judges, angelic kings, and why context matters more than commentary. And somehow we still ended up talking about lion-men, giants in Virginia, and alien abductions. It’s a ride — and it’s gloriously unrefined.
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This conversation pulls you straight into the wild, wonderful, and deeply supernatural world woven into the pages of Scripture. We explore ancient bloodlines, cosmic rebellions, hybrid beings, and the strange clues most Christians skip right over because they were never taught how to look for them. Adam walks us through his “warehouse manager” method of reading the Bible — tracking patterns, identifying anomalies, and letting the text define its own boundaries. From Ezekiel’s “wicked conception rituals” to the kings and princes ruling unseen nations, the conversation raises big, honest questions about what the biblical authors actually believed. We also dive into good vs. evil Nephilim, hybrid bloodlines in Judges, angelic kings, and why context matters more than commentary. And somehow we still ended up talking about lion-men, giants in Virginia, and alien abductions. It’s a ride — and it’s gloriously unrefined.
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https://www.youtube.com/@eadamfarris
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:13):
All this crazy hybridization giants. If you don't take that
in and you read the Bible, what big problem do
you find?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
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(01:53):
Now let's dive into this week's episode. Hey, hey, hey,
you guys, we're in for a treat today. We have
a guest that's been on before that we're super excited about.
From ancient battles to hidden bloodlines. Adam has always had
a knack for seeing scripture through Lenz's most overlook. Known
for his work on five Stones and his deep dives
(02:14):
into the world of giants, Nehlhem and forgotten heroes, Adam
now turns the same keen eye toward the text itself
and packing how to read the Bible with a fringe
perspective that honors at supernatural roots and cosmic narrative. He
invites us to step beyond Sunday School's simplicity and into
the strange and powerful world the Biblical authors actually lived in.
(02:39):
Welcome back to the show, Adam Ferris, Adam Man, I'm
glad you're here.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It's an honor. Thank you very much for having me back.
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh yeah, Well, Lindsay, your question earlier before the podcast
was just so it's just so good. Let's start with that.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Well, there's less of a question and more of just
you know this one's gonna be kind of easy because
I feel like we've been having this discussion about getting
into these fringe topics and staying faithful to the scriptures
since we started this podcast, so this could almost be
kind of I don't know, sums up what we've done
(03:15):
so far. So yeah, I'm looking forward to getting into this.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, me too. We've done podcast on discernment, and you
know that was more towards the conspiracy orient things. And
we've done podcast on drilling into truth because truth is important.
Truth and love, but the truth is important. And you know,
this had them from being in the same space as
we are. Let's face it, there's some really crazy people
(03:40):
out there with some really crazy stuff. Brother, Yeah, and
you don't want to diss them because they're brothers and
sisters in Christ. You want to listen and I want
to be open because I mean, like I was just
telling you earlier, we got on the podcast that we
interviewed a gut about the whole Clown Nephelum relationship. And
(04:01):
when I first saw that, like several months ago, maybe
even a year ago, I'm like, oh my gosh, this
is crazy. There's no way. And then I read the book,
and I interviewed the guy and I'm like, this is
freaking amazing, this is so wow. The puzzle pieces came together,
and you know, if it wasn't for this guy's research,
and if it wasn't for him diving in and taking
(04:21):
a risk on such a wild topic, we wouldn't have that.
So anyway, so let's just start with some basic Adam's
been on here before. He has five stones, which I
talked about in the intro, and our last episode we
did with him was about Nephilim and the Mighty Men,
which introduced good nephelum, which I'd never heard of before.
(04:43):
And then I've heard later about good nefh women and everything.
A lady that's a sponsor for our podcast. It has
a really good you young adult children's books, and she
has some good nephelom in her books. And anyway, what
made did you start trying to read scripture in a friend?
(05:04):
I don't like that term in a supernatural different way.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, so my story is really crazy, you guys. Remember,
so I was just a normal guy. I had a
faith background, but that wasn't my journey. My journey was
a distribution center manager and I was a career guy,
and that's where I was going. Yeah, So when it
all came down, I felt led to do the graphic novel,
but I didn't know what else, you know, but I
(05:30):
knew that there was more to it. So I felt
like I should read the Bible initially, I should read
the Bible like I operate at work. I felt that
that was kind of how I was being pushed so
to explain that as a distribution center manager, my responsibility
was to always be able to answer every single question,
(05:51):
whatever it was, where's the product? Why are we not efficient?
Why is this? Why is that you always have to
have an answer. I believe that that was my actual
training from God. This all happened when I got into
my forties, so that was kind of my journey, and
I feel like that was my training. So when you
read the Bible, so take out the fringe and the supernatural.
We're told the Bible is a redemption store. But I
(06:14):
think that we can all agree that that's not what
the Bible is. So when I started reading it, I
immediately was like, all right, this isn't what I'm hearing.
This isn't what I'm being told. So I decided to
start attacking it like a WMS, a warehouse management system,
and to put pieces together so I could figure out
the story. You know. Of course that was my initial thinking.
(06:35):
But obviously that's what God put me into place to do.
And then that's why I've been sharing this stuff. So
I'll take an example from work. You have to look
at every day like a transactional environment, that everything went
the way it's supposed to go. Right. You went in,
you turned the lights on, the product got picked, they
got shipped, the customer got it, they're happy. You turn
the lights off when you left. So when you have
(06:57):
an issue, you know where to kind of start to
attacking it. So I looked at the Bible like there
was no issues, there was no friends, it was just
a normal book. And then I immediately started seeing stuff
and that's when it clicked, like that, Okay, this is
what you're supposed to do. So if you remember, that's
when I started my blog, was I just wanted to
share some stuff. Was like, man, this is crazy, this
(07:19):
is a weird way to word this. And then, of course,
you know, after a year into doing it, I noticed
what my pattern was. I like to say that when
I say Nephilim. There's I mean that in Genesis six,
sons of God came down and took human wives. There's
the nephilum effects, and then there's the nephylum intent. Intent
(07:40):
is the is the devil evil and all that stuff.
My world, my lane is the effects, because I argue,
if you you know, and all the examples we're going
to go into, like the judges and mckils a deck
and all this other stuff that point blank, black and white.
Genesis six says that something got into the bloodline. And
(08:00):
this is a bold statement, but if we don't read
the Bible properly, we're gonna miss who these people really
were and what the story really is because you think
about Nephlom and then you think Promised Land and Amorites,
but then you get down to Esther and they're still
talking about So like that is where I'm at now,
Is that is the story? That literally is the story.
(08:23):
The Bible is, in a matter way of speaking, a
story of God trying to keep the human race alive
against phenomenal evil. You know, super vague way to say it,
but that's the way I interpret it now. So yeah,
So it started off like super I guess it still
is organ organic, Like I'm still learning. I found something
(08:43):
really crazy about the firmament in our dome and it's
you know, I'm kind of excited to bring that up
today because it's just like, what did this place really
look like? What did the world really look like? What's
really going on here?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah? Yeah, So the first thing that you're gonna hear
from some outside of our circles is, so, how do
you balance the scholarship, like the historical critical method of
reading the Bible, in other words, reading it in context
of the times, like you're familiar with highs are right,
I'm sure? Yeah, And you know I love the fact
(09:17):
that he reads the Bible that way. But yet he says,
We've got to do something with this weird stuff. I mean,
the weird stuff is important. It's in there, and we
have like T shirts out there, get them on our shop. Anyway,
weird is biblical, you know, because weird is biblical. It's
supposed to be normal. But to the world, a lot
of biblical things are weird, including the way we're supposed
(09:37):
to walk, you know, with Jesus. But how do you
balance when you when you when you like you do
a deep dive into it. How do you balance study
the languages in the history without losing the supernatural, the
mystical heartbeat of what you're studying exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
So it's a complex answer. So for me, mainly, you remember,
my thing is I don't take from any other books
like I just study Enoch, no, nothing else, because what
God really put on my heart at the very beginning
of this, I keep going back to, like the real
estate analogy. You know, your border can't be a rock,
but can't be a dead tree. So it has to
(10:12):
be an absolute, immovable structure of truth like that is,
and so we have to establish and that's I guess
is one of my main focus is here is what
is the actual truth? And when you bring in other books,
of course, it muddies it, and you know, and that's
we're never going to get anywhere. So that's the one thing.
But the next thing is I try to look at
(10:35):
what the overall meaning is of a statement or a
phrase or whatever it is. The Hebrew language, something I
learned early on was it's not necessarily the words or
what they're saying, it's it's a descriptive language. It like
the Dome, the firmament's kind of tiptoe on what I
what I learned. So we see the firmament. Ferment's the
(10:57):
word they talk about this in Black, but in Hebrew
it's rakia. Rakia comes from a root word meaning to
spread out or to beat with a hammer. So what
are they saying when they translate rakia to firmament or dome?
So the rakia is a verb, a word describing how
to make a dome. So that kind of gives you
(11:17):
an example of what the firmament actually is and why
they call it a firmament and all that. So that's
what I try to do, is break it down to
what are they really saying here? Because too, they didn't
have the Department of Education and the rothschilds, and they
didn't have all that fun stuff back then, a lot
of this stuff and too, you know, you think about
the Ethiopian Bible. Why that's so important is because that's
(11:38):
of those times, that's the first book to have drawings.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Because I didn't know that all of our people.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yes, all of our people live watching the ground open
because of people having idols, right, and you didn't if
you read Hebrew book, it doesn't say God. It says
g slash D. So these are people that were very
scared and fearful of God. When they wrote stuff where
they translated or they passed notes, a lot of times
they didn't say it was more of like an emphasis
(12:06):
on things. So that too has really helped me to
figure this out of you know, how they talked, why
they talked the way they talked, and what's the whole
point here? And it is clear that they all all
these different books, these humans were living with very large
people and large entities doing things, and they were in
normal humans were clearly under like vicious attack. So once
(12:30):
I kind of figured that out, that would you know,
because I'll say it bluntly, like a lot of the
stuff that I'd come up with, it might sound outlandish
to somebody that's not super into this stuff. So it's
important for me to be able to say, yeah, I
feel compelled because this scripture, this scripture, and this scripture,
and to back it up, you know, so you're lying,
you're lyon.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Warriors got a lot of feedback on their podcast, which
I thought was cool. Man Cassandy did this like really
cool line on the thing, and I'm like, why not
if the early you know, before the flood, the anti
Luvian Nephelum were huge. They were big, and they were
doing all kinds of chimeric experiments.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
The thing that hit me that really got me into
a lot of this. And I had read Heiser's book
like fifteen fifteen years ago, and I didn't get it.
I mean I really didn't. It was a timing issue
for God. And then Lindsay and I started going down
this rabbit hole together. He started first, and then he
started taking me with him with sword and staff and
(13:30):
lurry and all this kind of stuff. And Haiser and
I started to see that we live in a really strange,
supernatural world. And you know, I sit on the porch
at night. I love to hear the bugs. But then
I realized that, like what's out in the forest that
I live in, And so we have to suspend our unbelief.
(13:52):
I don't say suspend belief, We have to suspend our
unbelief for a lot of this this kind of of stuff, if.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You don't mind indulging, I've got a really crazy one
about that specifically, And this is another example of like
how I research so Ezekiel Book of Ezekiel, awesome book. Now,
if you're familiar with it, is when when God tells
Ezekiel to dig through the wall and he goes through
and he sees all the wicked abominations. Yeah, yeah, so
(14:27):
I dove into that. Now that is a super complex thing,
but it goes to exactly what you were just saying.
I like, what is what's in the woods? And how
did this because we talked about the line facemen last time. Yeah,
this is just nuts. So so I went in and
saw and behold every form of creeping things and abominable beasts,
and all the idols of the House of Israel. And
(14:48):
and he said, unto me, go in and behold the
Now in Hebrew it is tea vat herod. It's a
wicked abominations, except the translations off And this was so cool.
So toey vat is abomination. Hara h a r a
in Hebrew is to get pregnant or to conceive, So
(15:11):
hara ot is a inn inception ritual. So well, yes,
so what God tells Ezekiel to go in and see
is literally a wicked conception ritual. Now in translation we
miss that. You just see a wicked abomination and it's
it's crazy. No, he goes in and sees this making
(15:31):
of makings of cryptis. Now if that's.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Well, you know, to interject real quick, you know, wicked
used in the Hebrew a lot has to do with
sexual stuff. I'll just say a lot of times wicked
is connected in uncovering nakedness and stuff like that. You know,
it's like these code words that we don't get that
you have to dive in deep into anyway, keep going.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yes, So and then this story goes when he goes in,
he sees jays and Aia, the son of Chaffin, surrounded
by seven the ancient ones. And I tracked that and
it's ancient ones, the ones from the ancient or ancient elders.
So it's seventy ancients surrounded by jays and Aiah. This, yes,
doing this conception ritual. Now, jays and Iah the son
(16:15):
of Schaffin. Schaeffin was the scribe for King Josiah. So
you're telling me the guy that was over knowledge in
books and information, his son is down in some deep
warehouse doing conception rituals with seventy ancient ones. So it's like,
(16:36):
you know, now do you believe their line face men?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Well, yeah, that when you first started going down this road,
I started realizing it's just like the Tower of Babble.
I mean, people are like, what's the big deal about
him trying to unify? And and you get tired of
the old excuse of they were just really bad guys.
You know, there's truly bad men, you know, I mean,
look look around the world. Now, there's some really bad
(17:01):
men here, and you don't see the god flood in
the world. And so anyway, I'm thinking about the Tower
of Babble and the whole concept of I think I've
read or heard somewhere about King Og in his bed,
but even Nimrod that they would have conception rituals at
the top of the Ziggarot to create a portal to
mate with angels and stuff. And this is actually after
(17:23):
the flood. This is like a second excursion, which I
want to ask you about that in a minute, about
what you believe about that, how that could have happened.
But I mean, that's one of the feasible possible things.
Lindsay and I have talked about this ad nauseum. It's like,
I think that we have been brainwashed out of thinking
(17:44):
of anything outside of our physical senses, And I'm starting
to really learn that Darwinian is am particularly evolution, even
though I do believe in an old Earth, and I
know that that's controversial with a lot of Christians. I
do believe in an old Earth, but I don't think
it has to be Darwinian of a but the Darwinian lawes.
I heard a guy the other day I'm listening to.
(18:05):
He says, do you know that that Darwin himself said
to believe in evolution, we have to suspend some scientific
facts that we already have that's not science.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Look back to the Babbel thing real quick. I always
felt like, all right, was God so concerned about a
bunch of goobers building the tower? I mean, was there
had to have been more to it than that?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
If exactly, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I don't think they were literally just trying to build
a tower to God. There like a physical structure. There
had to have been more to it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, yeah, but they're trying to create Eden.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, But when we were kids, we just I was
when I went to Sunday School when that was I
always thought they were just trying to go all the
way up to God and meet God up in heaven somewhere,
or they were that stupid to think he was up there.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
So yeah, yeah, the Babel thing. Again, I'm rethinking a
lot of different things now because of stuff I'm finding
and Nimrod in the Living Bible, he's referred to it
as the first King. You know, this hunter and all
of that. But the first king so a little heavy.
But the king thing and prince's thing. So something I
(19:20):
noticed with princes is is super heavy. So in first
Chronicles and all the princes and all the mighty men
and all these sons of the king submitted themselves to Solomon.
You can break that down. And a lot of that
sentence doesn't make sense because what is technically a prince
son of a king, right, the heir to the throne? Yeah,
so then how could there be the princes and the
(19:41):
sons of the king in the same sentence. So I
started I dove into that, and long story short, looks
like kings. God is the lord, God of Heaven's armies.
We know that angels have certain roles, but I think
it is way more complex than that. And he was
appointing kings and prince is awesome and free will that
(20:02):
is where and I'm tying us into Babbel because the
kings apparently some of the women went to their head
and they wanted to do their own nations. We know
King Agog the Amalekites, right, So it seems like that
there was these positions on earth again, I guess bumpers
to keep the human race safe. And then you look
at Daniel ten when you know the story of Daniel.
(20:26):
Michael goes to Daniel says, hey, we've heard you this time,
but I couldn't get here because of the evil Prince
of Persia.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, if you break that down into Hebrew, it is
the Sar Malchit Paris, which is the prince of the
Kingdom of Persia. And then Michael, the angel that the
world knows about has been in movies and stuff, is
called the serum Hai rashanam as a prince of the
early times.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Wow, prince of the early times. That's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So then it's like, okay, so Nimrod was one of
the first kings, and then he did the Tower of Babbel,
so it's like, again, what did it really look like
back then? And King of Tire we know in Ezekiel
twenty eight, King of Tire is a former chairub. So
it's way more complex than we know about it. Basically,
I can.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Say, yeah, yeah, well it can go deep. But you
do you use the Book of Enoch or Jubilees at
all or do you just stay away from you stay
away from Okay, yeah you do, but you do, but
you do go into like scholarly works like obviously Kittrells
and Kittles or whatever it's called, and Thayer's and all
that kind of stuff to look up the Hebrew words
(21:38):
and all that. I would love to learn Hebrew. I
know Greek. I just have the tom. I've tried, and
I still have the tom.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I feel like I'm picking it up from my research.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So so to your your point, some of those scholarly debates,
they're fun because I like to look for an average
and something really crazy. I noticed, if you look at
the four living creatures, the first time that they're talked about,
it's all the same except it's the face of a ox, right,
and then the second time they're referred to, it's the
(22:08):
face of a cherub. So I caught one of these
scholarly arguments that that is the technical form of the
cherub is an ox and that it wasn't an accident
like that was just how it was referred to the
second time. And for me, just like distribution, are there
any other pieces? Look at all the pictures of Bayol
(22:31):
in Moloch. Moloch used to have an ox head, but
now he's the awl Bahoomian grove and all that. So
it's like, maybe I could see some credence to that
because the devil with the goat and a lot of
the animal features. When you read, especially Ezekiel, you notice
that like in God's world, the way he looks at things,
(22:51):
if I can be so bald, it looks like he
looks at animals and humans is kind of not the
same thing, but in the same realm kind of, if
that makes sense. So I could see that because think
about in Revelation, Jesus is the face of a lamb.
You know, they're not just saying well, you know, it
just kind of looks like a lamb because of his beard.
Like yeah, So that was one of the arguments that
I stumbled upon. It really opened my eyes to the
(23:14):
bigger picture here in you know, his army and how
he has given different roles and responsibilities. How do you
make something that can just keep working. It will never
need you, right, You just have to have moving pieces
and think about why the wheels had eyes on it.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah. So yeah, well, you know that that reminds me
of something that I used to talk about all the time,
particularly dealing with when I took ot dealing with the plagues.
I think most people, maybe not the average sunny school Christian,
but but most people realize that the plagues were based
on Egyptian gods, and he was one up in the
(23:50):
Egyptian gods. And if you look at hieroglyphics and you
look at k period art, different on the stuff all that,
you know, they all have their animal head. The interesting
thing I found about this and I got this from
a friend of mine from up in Washington and Spokane.
He did a lot of work over season India, and
the Christians over there are very careful about animals and
(24:13):
stuff like that because certain types of animals have been
sort of that's the word adopted into the cult, like
the owl or frogs. I wonder sometimes if that was
part of their plan too, was, you know, because it
says I think I want to say, in Noah's story,
(24:35):
he didn't take everything with him. He only took certain
things with him, and I think that they wanted to
pervert everything. They wanted to all living things, you know,
all flesh. He was going to destroy all flesh. That's frogs,
that's chameleons, that's you know, all the things we were
just talking about. He wanted to destroy all flesh. And
(24:57):
it's really interesting because I wonder if it was because
of that whole occultic nature and the connection between the
gods and you see it all over the world. I'm
just using Egypt as an example because they're very noticeable,
well you know why as a frog and then and
then my conspiracy thing kicks in. There's this whole movement
called was it kick with a Frog? And it's supposedly
(25:17):
you know good. I'm like, yeah, but they're using occult
symbol too. I think it's kek is it keick? Lindsey?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I think the that has something to do with the
whole kickstan Yeah, I don't never.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's some kind of concern. It was some kind of
conservative type, yeah, thing with Q and all this kind
of stuff. But anyway, I just wonder if when God
made the earth, if he based it on the watchers
and the angels, and he made creatures in their images
and a lot of the animals we have, but then
(25:52):
they got perverted, you know, because they got perverted. What
do you what do you think about that that's out there?
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I think that that's I think again, especially the deeper
and deeper I go. You see that constant smearing those
lines with human and animal, and it's kind of like
like us now would be like, you know, that's disgusting.
Why would you do that? And I can't condone, but
I mean, there was no shopping malls, there was no TV,
Like the Earth hadn't been formed that long ago. So
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the evil presence, I feel like, think about in the Bible,
how possession is liket rampant, right. I've never met anybody
in my life that was possessed, and it's constantly in
the Bible. So I feel like like it was just
so fresh and new, honestly to go conspiratorial. Something happened
in nineteen hundred, clearly, and that's why we are where
(26:43):
we are now. But I feel like it was like
it was such a striving force then on the planet,
you know, because like there was no nations. It was
right for the taking. It is probably a great way
to say it, because there were no nations, there was
no this, there was no that, so you could easily
establish a form of control. You could easily go in
(27:04):
and say, oh, well we got to have you gotta
pay taxes. Now, you can't take this road, this is
our road. You gotta do this and this. Everyone knows
that no civilization has ever been built without slave labor,
just because how do you force people to do stuff
they don't want to do? Yea, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, we're called slaves, but it getting shillings a day.
In England they paid kids little or nothing. That's still
slave labor, even though they paid them well tributaries.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
That word tributaries in the Bible, that is forced labor.
So every time you see that somebody was a tribute,
it doesn't mean that it was a trophy. It was
they it was forced labor. And then just to not
to steer the conversation, but then they were using the
giants as forced labor. That's smart in my opinion, but yeah,
it's it was a very different landscape. And I believe,
(27:53):
you know, especially for me and what I'm doing, Like
God we're missing the point when we don't read these
things and take it in. Because if you don't again
all this crazy hybridization giants, if you don't take that
in and you read the Bible, what big problem do
you find? Because again everyone thinks that the Bible as
the redemption story, Like, so then what is it about?
(28:15):
You know? And what is if things were so bad
that the only way to get to heaven is this way,
then what were those things?
Speaker 5 (28:22):
You know?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
So that's the big problem with the translation and not
taking these things and not getting the full story because
you know, think about the story of Joe. Is that
as so severe as a story if we don't take
into the fact evil?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah. Well, and and if you look at the world
through the Christus Victor framework, which I tend to even
though I do believe in, there is a redemption arc,
but it's not the central aspect of obviously, it's to
get in. And you know, we spend all our time
just trying to get in and then we do nothing
and the goal is to get in and to do something.
(28:57):
But anyway, Yeah, the coming King has come. Learn this
from right and from other people. The coming King has come,
and he's already here, and he's not yet and he's
coming to do what he needs to do. And you're right,
you don't see that unless there's an enemy.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
To your point, Jesus is the king of kings, the
Lord of lords, and the prince of princes. Right, But
when you read the story, that's not what he's trying
to do. It's not his goal at all. So it's
like for somebody like me, it's like, well, then why
would he be called that and just to put him
higher than them? Yeah? But does that really because like,
(29:32):
this is the son of God, So wouldn't it mean
more And wouldn't it mean more than just he's just
a better king than the other kings? No. In Psalm
seventy six, Psalm seventy six, the last line says that
he will he shall cut off the spirit of the
princes and do terrible things to the kings. So, like
(29:53):
I was saying earlier, with the princes and the kings,
if I'm right that they are angelic beings. Angelic beings
are a manifestation of God's spirit. That's how they exist.
But we do operate in the free will market, so
they can technically not do good or do good or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, so then that.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Line of cutting off the spirit of the princes means
that of those roles that he's appointed, like Michael was
a good prince, the Prince of Persia was not those
He's going to cut those spirits off because they're you know,
they're not doing what it's supposed to do. If you
look at it like that, then yes, our Mighty Lord
and Savior was the prince of all these princes and
(30:35):
the king of all these kings that were tearing the
world up. Now that to me, in my opinion, with
my love for God and Jesus, that would be what
that means. So again going back to like are we
getting the juice from these stories?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Well, what passages do you believe? They can't be properly
understood unless you accept the divine counselor on seeing what
we're talking about all this this stuff. I mean, you know,
what do you think would be two or three passages
that it don't make sense unless we see it from
this world view of this framework.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
So it's so funny because I have like a million
of those. Just give me three exactly, But I think
a really great one right now. I've been I've been
I finally had a chance to get into mckils a
deck and interesting, Joe, So that one right there, Well, well,
I think is the best answer that I could give
you is if we don't take all this into account,
that story's not gonna make sense. So mckils a deck
(31:31):
really quick. And in the Bible there's two battles of
giant kings in Genesis and then one in Joshua. The
one in Genesis is Sodom Abram mom Ray, and we
talked about that last time. But specifically, mckils a deck
shows up. He's the King of Salem, tithe, and that's it.
He bounces, and then later on we start hearing that
(31:52):
Jesus is from the order of mckils a deck. In
Hebrews seven, it says specifically to whom also Abraham gave tenth,
I gave a tenth part of all first being by interpretation,
king of righteousness, and also that and after that also
King of Salem, which is king of peace. So you
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kind of see what they're the painting. They're they're they're
going for there without father, without mother, without descent, having
neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made
like unto the Son of God a beaateth a priest continually.
So right off the bat, Hebrew's saying seven is saying
that mikils Adek had no father, had no mother, no descent,
(32:38):
and he is a to be onto the son of God.
Talking about Jesus a beatth a priest continually. Now in
Hebrew that is a cohen k o h e n.
Now you guys know the priest line is levitical from
Erin except from a kils a deck and Jesus. So
that is a that is an and it can go
I can go way further, but that's it'll get way
(33:01):
too complicated. But that is something that if you don't
take all this into account, you're gonna miss that. It's
not gonna make any sense. So technically what happened Layman's terms,
is God appointed this being mckills a deck because it's
not mkils a deck and Hebrew it's mkil Sadek. And
what that is is basically king of righteousness is what
(33:24):
that breaks down to this. It's not like Adam Ferriss
right right, this being was appointed and had been there
Abram and all that stuff. All that stuff went down
and then Mkil's deck showed up, so he was already there.
He was already established. He was a king of Salem.
And you can argue, well, Salem Jerusalem, that's different, except
in Psalms it does refer that Salem as is Zion.
(33:48):
We know Zion comes from David in Jerusalem, so that
ties that together. So what is that? What is that like? Literally,
this being was a king, but it was an a
and then he eventually Jesus comes from the line the
Cohen priest line of Mchilsdec. I know that's a little
(34:08):
complicated and complex, but that's, you know, because because what
interesting to me is because a lot of people take
the easy approach and be like, oh, Mchilsdec was Jesus.
I can see it connected and blocked. This was its
own spiritual being that was on the earth, a priest
of God. Now way before all that even happened, right
way before Abram and Isaac and all that. So yeah,
(34:29):
that's a different perspective.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I had heard people try to say Melchizedek was Jesus,
but never that he was a separate, just spiritual being.
So would you say he is one of the sons
of God that was just given dominion in the Jerusalem era.
What exactly are you saying there, I guess without going
to into.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
It exactly exactly. So what I'm saying, what I think
happened was God made everything and everything He made this.
He's the lord, God of Evan's army, so he has
lots of roles in his arm me for different things,
different like the we we are familiar with the four winds.
They literally are just the seasons. So He's appointed a
(35:08):
lot of different entities, spiritual entities on the earth, probably
for us to keep us safe. Probably this is how
the work the earth. Actually that's physics, right, that's the
stuff that we don't know behind the lines. And then
also because of what happened at the beginning of the
original sin, so he, i'd imagine, with his love, was like,
all right, well, I'm gonna put some stuff in here
(35:30):
just to keep everybody safe. So then once this thing
got to Roland, you know, some of these princes and
some of these kings were like, yo, it's kind of
nice down here. You know, I might make a kingdom
and then and then here we are now. Right, So
to say it bluntly, I think that's what happened completely.
It was just a lot of different roles and then
free will and evil took over.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
This is a perfect segue in my opinion about there's
there's two big kind of things that I wanted to
tackle in this show that will hold over from your
last show that I just wanted you to kind of
flesh out a little bit, interesting choice of words, but
flesh out a little bit. The first would be what
do you think about the second excursion aspect of the
(36:15):
Nephilm And to you, there's several different options, which one
do you think is the most feasible of this?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
It definitely does come from Ham. That that's I mean,
the Bible lays it right out there for us.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
The uncovering of his nekedness with Noah and all that
kind of stuff and Canaan.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yep, exactly that. And also too, because you know, I'm
a super small detail guy, the way that they list
the genealogy is different with Ham. You know, when it
gets to the Jby site and there Gergishite and all that.
That is because again this is a parable the way
you got to look at this as a puzzle. There's
a lot of crazy stuff on purpose for us to
figure out yeah, so I think that's why genealogy is
(36:58):
so big. Yeah, because that's example of when things are off.
So yes, definitely ham but then we have so many
different examples of it's still happening, like even I know
we talked last time one Corinthians eleven ten women to
have power on their heads because of the angels. Yes,
that's in the New Testament. So you know, so I
think it's crazy because to look at it black and
(37:20):
white scientifically, like, once it's in the DNA, it's there,
and as long as you don't isolate it, then it's
going to be rampant. So that's why it was so
heavy on don't inter marry, don't intermarry, because it was
trying to weed this out.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Well, Israel was a big Petri dish for science there. Yeah,
all right, I gotta ask it.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
How do you think the whole narrative, Well, it's been
a narrative since I've been a kid, the alien abduction,
the the Gralians some people say it, the Grays, and
these stories of experiments hybrids being made. How do you
think that plays into this discussion?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Sure? So you know, I live in Virginia, born and raised.
I love Virginia. I'm a proponent for Virginia. In sixteen
oh one, John Smith came through, checked everything out. He
made a map of all the stuff that he saw.
Everyone knows of like a tenth of what he saw,
but this is a published map. So when he got
to Chesapeake Bay, he documented a tribe of six six
(38:22):
hundred giants, and then sixteen thirty ish is when they
established Jamestown. So thirty years later, there's no six hundred giants.
I don't believe that. So my opinion is just like
I was saying with the kings and the princess. That's
why that's so important to me, because that's my answer
(38:44):
to where we are now, while we are under government
control and we have to pay taxes on everything that
we do for the rest of our life, is because
that was what was happening then, and that was the
forming of government, and that's why somebody wanted to take over.
And there was these crazy battles that we see in
our history book, but in reality they were actually trying
(39:05):
to conquer the human race. So my point is, I
used before this, I believed I was open to aliens.
I was, you know, I mean, it's like, hey, maybe
I'm biblical lends. Now, it doesn't say that God made
anything on another planet, so I'm not to believe that.
My opinion, black and white is that this is the
(39:26):
deep state, the nephlum, the intent, the bad guys. That's
how the government has worked for thousands of years of
keeping us on scared and nervous and not sure and
waiting and this and.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
This impitted against each other to the dialectic you know
the exactly Yep.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah, exactly, And again are there pieces to what I'm saying? Well,
we know our government has crazy technology plant Center and
US three. Right now, when we get off this podcast,
we could run to Walmart by a drone. So right,
So that's my.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Answer yet, but I could buy it.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I believe all this funky stuff is the deep state
government the enough for them trying to just keep us,
you know, because we've already read the last page of
the book and they're in the book, so they know
just like we do. So they're trying to get us
to eventually get that mark and to deny and all this.
(40:27):
So right, that would be my answer.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Okay, So last time we talked about I had never
heard of good Nephelin and I kind of mentioned it
at the beginning of the podcast. Can you talk a
little bit what led you to dub it? And you guys,
I'm going to pull all this together because this is
all going to the text because Adam doesn't use emich
and all that stuff, and there's there's nothing wrong with
(40:50):
the ones who do hey use it. He chooses not
to and he doesn't want it is a mixture, you know,
which I can respect. Let's talk about the evolution of
the good Nephilum. We know they have free wills, but
how did they evolve from being twenty five thirty foot
creatures too down to Goliath of nine foot and you know,
(41:13):
and Og and all that. And I just want to
throw that out there, just give us a little teaching here.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, And that was fun because that's what I stumbled upon,
because like, you think of giant, and there's Goliath, and
then Genesis six tells us there were giants, but then
there's no like, there really isn't any other examples. Now
they suggest King Og is big, but it doesn't say
he is a jog Hiant.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, and same a Nemron too. He's considered a Gibbereim,
which is a mighty hunter but can also be a giant.
So it's not clear.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Exactly so you and it does lie on Gibbereim. There's
a word goodal that is an emphasis of size. So
initially I saw you, remember we talked about David's mighty Man,
so tracked all them and they do all come from AMRII,
you know, and stuff like that. So I noticed right
off the bat, well, this is a group of giants.
(42:08):
And then I'm in that world for a hot minute
and I'm just just finding all this stuff. And in
my own personal readings, I was in the Book of
Judges and I was reading about Jephtha and Gideon and
it was like, hold on, this is suggesting that they
were giants. So that's when I got onto the whole
Nephlum effect versus intent. Yeah, just because you came from Nephlm.
(42:33):
And that's why I have to say that because a
lot of people it is what it is. Nepholm is
not a bad word. We think it is because of
the intent. I have to stress it enough. It is
a bloodline. And just like the Redemption story, you can
come from bad, but you can still be good and
that's that brass tacks, that's what the Bible's about. So
(42:55):
I started noticing that these people that come from those
like you track genealogy, but they're doing good things. So
think of it like this, Like Genesis six says, sons
of God human wives, blah. Jeptha the Gileadite. This is
a great example. Jephtha was a mighty man of valor.
He was the son of a harlot, and Gilead begat Jephtha.
(43:16):
Now when you break that down into Hebrew says he's
a gibberem, and we have to take that word for
what it is, right, but it is not a harlot.
He is the son of a zona. A zona refers
to a woman who has had sexual relations with someone
she has prohibited from mary, even if she was not
a prostitute. So it's got none to do with her
being a prostitute. She hooked up with someone you're not
(43:38):
supposed to hook up with, and she produced a gibberin.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
That's interesting, that's mean, Yeah, that's interesting evidence there because
gibriin can be translated just mighty hunter, mighty men. So
how do you went back to the interpreted interpretation of
the text. How do you distinguish between the two of those, Adam,
I mean that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
You take the full story. And that's what I was
saying earlier about like it's not really what they're saying,
but how they're trying to say it. What's the point
behind this?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Well, and don't names? Aren't names really important? I've learned
from a friend of mind that you need to like
look up names and they they tell stories and stuff.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Huge, not to go into it. JL from the story
from Deborah JL with the tent spike. She is a
Kinnesite and her name translates to mountain goat. So but anyway,
so how do you like again Yeah, yeah, Devil's Advocate.
Am I reading it wrong? Am I taking it wrong?
I take the whole story into context. So when you
read the Judges, and this is a great example of
(44:38):
good nephlum, good giants. And what that really means is
every scenario in Judges were a dire emergency, right. It
wasn't like, well, you know the next in line is Giddon, well,
because his brother's block. It was all dire emergencies. And
then you look at the story with the Midi Nites,
and the Amalakites. Israel wasn't. It didn't say Israel they
(45:01):
were coming in and killing Israel, destroying them. It said
that they were robbing the land. Yeah, they were telling
you that Israel was under such a heavy, heavy, heavy
attack that the only answer was a heavy response. And
the way that they lay it down was this guy
was hand picked. You go through his genealogy to see
where he comes from. They come from. They always come
(45:24):
from promised land, from the conquest, were cohabitating. So again
putting the pieces together. And that's why I keep saying
Nephlin's not a bad word. It's a bloodline because the
judges were people just living and God tapped them on
the shoulder, Hey I need you because you can do this.
And he does this, and you look at the feats.
Gideon himself knocked down a tower himself. So Gideon is
(45:48):
referred to as a ghibbareim in his story. He knocks
down a tower himself and he conquers the town himself.
The only other examples of people doing that are literally
the same, Like Joe. We talked about that last time. Joe,
all his father's not mentioned Sam and then Dog the Edomite. Yeah,
and do the Edomite is a gibbering Yeah, and dog
(46:12):
conquered the town of Nobe himself. So the thing is,
and I'll go back to my work experience. I didn't
see what happened to that tire. I wasn't there. I
can't in a court of law. I could not say, well,
it was a mispick, he delivered it wrong. I didn't
see it. Physically, I can produce evidence that would give
you a reasonable doubt where that tire went right. So
(46:35):
that's what I do. That's my realm of putting these
pieces together and say, hey, this is how that thing
looks right here?
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Well, and we need to go back to that because
our our founding fathers and even Human and Locke and
the guys before that. To believe something, it just had
to be put out there beyond a reasonable doubt. I
guess some reason that correctly. To believe something, you don't
have to prove it perfectly, but if you present enough
(47:02):
evidence that that, hey, I doubt that this is not true.
And and and that's how I've kind of started to
live with a lot of this stuff because, like I
said earlier in the show, is and I don't mean
this to insult anybody. I mean, there's some wackos out
there that believe like just you know, and I reserve judgment.
I learned this from my good friend Amy. I reserve
(47:25):
judgment and let it kind of play out, you know,
particularly when it comes to the modern events and stuff
like that. And then you know, just to reserve judgment.
And and uh, and and and pray. I think prayer
is essential. I think we have the Holy Spirit who
says in script Jesus says he will lead us into
all truth. And that's crucial, crucial there. Uh, we need
(47:49):
to do that even with the non fringe supernatural stuff.
You know, we need to we need every time we
open the world and I go in and out of that,
I'm just keeping it real. Oh someone do I just
opened the Word and start reading, and I'm like, you know,
I need to ask for his grace. I need to
ask for revelation here. I need to ask for it
to change my heart and change my mind. And I
(48:11):
just think that this topic is so crucial because I
think some people, Okay, I think there's two sides. I
think some people historical critical the supernatural out of the Bible,
and I think some people take it so literal that
there's no room for allegory or it being other things
(48:32):
other than that. And I think both sides are wrong.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
For me, Like I like to keep it natural, like
black and white. I feel like I'm very comfortable with
my findings and my research because i feel like I'm
just reading the Bible. You know, I'm not applying Well,
this book said this, and you know he probably just
because you know, again to go to the judges, God
said you don't need a king. I'm your king. So
(48:59):
what do you do. Well, you look around and you've
got like ten people that are like super special that
you can use to keep your people from having a king.
And when there's a vicious battle, I'm gonna tap this
dude right here, and then over here this is going down, well,
I'm gonna tap this guy right here and he's gonna
help us out. And then finally his people he was like,
(49:19):
all right, fine, you can have a king. I did
all this stuff to keep you guys safe, and that
one enough, Fine, you can have a king. And so
that's that's kind of how this thing was. Was Gone
was just like that's what was on the planet, and
he was you know, trying to keep us safe.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, and it's interesting you said about the judges and
the Gabberen and the nepheline they were full of wisdom,
and yeah, it's just really interesting coming off of the
show I did yesterday to this show today, I don't
know if he would say that every Nephelion is bad.
And then then this also, and you don't have to
answer this, but I'm sure you've thought about this also
(49:54):
brings in the whole picture of what about some of
these mighty men and it could be that they're d
was so deluded, But what about these money men? Do
they become demons like the other nephilon.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Did all they're cutting the head off in the spirit roaming?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you're onto something. I
think that that it just got diluted, and I think
that they became humans, but they still maintained some of
their supernatural abilities obviously, And they made a choice. They
made a choice, just like the their their fathers, the
the watchers, or the demons that fell from heaven. They
(50:28):
made a choice. And I don't see why. Possibly it
doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that every Nephilon was evil.
It just it just alludes to the fact that most
of them were. But that's not you know, that's not
a case. I mean that went win in court.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
It's oversimplification. Well, the shad Ragmishak and a Bendigo, they
were thrown into that pit by two certain giverin.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Right no had two.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Guards and certain translations guards. But then in Hebrew it
was it's too certain give riene. So that's why I said, Nephlom,
it's not just as simple as a lot of people say,
and how we kind of think about it, and how
I used to think about it too. I'm not gonna
act like I know everything to bah. It's just something
that was in our bloodline. Technically in Hebrew it's hannafell,
(51:21):
which are the falling, and that's where that word comes from. Yeah,
so it's it's just what happened from the fall and
and yeah, you see it all the way down through
the line. Just because it was there doesn't mean And
then to your point about the cutting the head off,
I think we've all heard the argument that that's why
possession and demons are so strong, because they came from Nephlom,
and that's you know, they were giants. I could I
(51:42):
could get down with that. I just certain things for me,
I have to find it in the Bible, or because
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Start in the Bible. It's not there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah, I can't speculate or all of my work is trash,
like I have to take it. And there's a lot
of things, you know, you see some of my videos
where it's like, well I didn't find much on this guy,
like because I'm again, I'm trying to set this truth right, right, right,
So I can't speculate.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Well, you know, to defend that aspect, because that's what
I believe, But to defend that aspect doesn't say in
the Bible that demons are falling angels either. Yeah, it's
like you're kind of in a conundrum here of what
is it? What are they? Who are they? And then
I think the first thing that that that kind of
got me into it was unclean spirits versus demons and
(52:30):
demon demon's eye and then unclean spirits and the separation
between the two and all that kind of stuff. But yeah,
I respect your opinion of that. I mean, I like
the fact that you stick, you know, to stick to
the bibble and stick to your guns. And you know
you do that. That's that's that's honorable. And then I
think that's a great thing. So I mean, that's that's
the only infallible truth in it we have.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
I got something crazy, get you guys to think about.
This is the next thing I'm gonna get to researching.
I noticed that Jesus tells everybody the same thing, except
for one tells everybody, don't tell anybody what happened. Just
go home, love your guy, except the dude that was
possessed by legion. Legion, Yeah, go home, tell everybody what
(53:12):
your God did for you. That hit me the other
day when I was reading, because I've read that a
bunch of times, and I was like, oh, wait a minute,
Wait a minute, because just like we're talking about demons
and spirituality and the Legion went to the pigs. You're
not supposed to eat pork. So it's like, I think
there's something more there that we're missing about demons and
(53:33):
you know how that works.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, now I think you're on some dig into it. Brother.
I'll have you back on the show. We can talk
about it. I just love to hear your diging, your
research and all that kind of stuff. It's just fascinating.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yep. We can't empirically come down and say it's all true.
You get enough evidence, Like the guys said yesterday, it
starts to become evident.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
That's a great way of saying.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, that's a very fair way to say it. I'm
stealing it from them too. So well, look, bro, thank
you so much. Work may find you your dats. I
know we've done it last show, but let's go ahead
and for anybody's never listening to your last show, where
can they find you and connect with you?
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah? Absolutely? YouTube e Adam Ferris got a bunch of videos,
a lot of good content. Been doing some AI videos too,
and that's fun m hm.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
And teach me how to do that.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yo, that's crazy. You know. I don't care if it's
bad or not. I'm gonna use it to share the
good news here here Eadamferris dot substack dot com.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Or my writings. I follow your substeckt yep.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
Yeah, thank you. And I'm on Instagram. Yeah, Instagram too,
Adam Ferris. I love talking about this stuff, so just
reach out. I'm an open person.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
Cool. Well, we appreciate you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Five Stones is on Amazon now.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
That is his graphic novel about David's Mighty Men and
David It's really rocks. All right. Well, thank you so much, Adam.
We appreciate you being on our show man, and we'll
see you next time.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Bro yep.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
Absolutely thanks for listening and supporting us, and remember stay
naturally supernatural.
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Now let's dive into this week's episode. Hey, hey, hey,
you guys, we're in for a treat today. We have
a guest that's been on before that we're super excited about.
From ancient battles to hidden bloodlines. Adam has always had
a knack for seeing scripture through Lenz's most overlook. Known
for his work on five Stones and his deep dives
(02:14):
into the world of giants, Nehlhem and forgotten heroes, Adam
now turns the same keen eye toward the text itself
and packing how to read the Bible with a fringe
perspective that honors at supernatural roots and cosmic narrative. He
invites us to step beyond Sunday School's simplicity and into
the strange and powerful world the Biblical authors actually lived in.
(02:39):
Welcome back to the show, Adam Ferris, Adam Man, I'm
glad you're here.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It's an honor. Thank you very much for having me back.
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh yeah, Well, Lindsay, your question earlier before the podcast
was just so it's just so good. Let's start with that.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Well, there's less of a question and more of just
you know this one's gonna be kind of easy because
I feel like we've been having this discussion about getting
into these fringe topics and staying faithful to the scriptures
since we started this podcast, so this could almost be
kind of I don't know, sums up what we've done
(03:15):
so far. So yeah, I'm looking forward to getting into this.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, me too. We've done podcast on discernment, and you
know that was more towards the conspiracy orient things. And
we've done podcast on drilling into truth because truth is important.
Truth and love, but the truth is important. And you know,
this had them from being in the same space as
we are. Let's face it, there's some really crazy people
(03:40):
out there with some really crazy stuff. Brother, Yeah, and
you don't want to diss them because they're brothers and
sisters in Christ. You want to listen and I want
to be open because I mean, like I was just
telling you earlier, we got on the podcast that we
interviewed a gut about the whole Clown Nephelum relationship. And
(04:01):
when I first saw that, like several months ago, maybe
even a year ago, I'm like, oh my gosh, this
is crazy. There's no way. And then I read the book,
and I interviewed the guy and I'm like, this is
freaking amazing, this is so wow. The puzzle pieces came together,
and you know, if it wasn't for this guy's research,
and if it wasn't for him diving in and taking
(04:21):
a risk on such a wild topic, we wouldn't have that.
So anyway, so let's just start with some basic Adam's
been on here before. He has five stones, which I
talked about in the intro, and our last episode we
did with him was about Nephilim and the Mighty Men,
which introduced good nephelum, which I'd never heard of before.
(04:43):
And then I've heard later about good nefh women and everything.
A lady that's a sponsor for our podcast. It has
a really good you young adult children's books, and she
has some good nephelom in her books. And anyway, what
made did you start trying to read scripture in a friend?
(05:04):
I don't like that term in a supernatural different way.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, so my story is really crazy, you guys. Remember,
so I was just a normal guy. I had a
faith background, but that wasn't my journey. My journey was
a distribution center manager and I was a career guy,
and that's where I was going. Yeah, So when it
all came down, I felt led to do the graphic novel,
but I didn't know what else, you know, but I
(05:30):
knew that there was more to it. So I felt
like I should read the Bible initially, I should read
the Bible like I operate at work. I felt that
that was kind of how I was being pushed so
to explain that as a distribution center manager, my responsibility
was to always be able to answer every single question,
(05:51):
whatever it was, where's the product? Why are we not efficient?
Why is this? Why is that you always have to
have an answer. I believe that that was my actual
training from God. This all happened when I got into
my forties, so that was kind of my journey, and
I feel like that was my training. So when you
read the Bible, so take out the fringe and the supernatural.
We're told the Bible is a redemption store. But I
(06:14):
think that we can all agree that that's not what
the Bible is. So when I started reading it, I
immediately was like, all right, this isn't what I'm hearing.
This isn't what I'm being told. So I decided to
start attacking it like a WMS, a warehouse management system,
and to put pieces together so I could figure out
the story. You know. Of course that was my initial thinking.
(06:35):
But obviously that's what God put me into place to do.
And then that's why I've been sharing this stuff. So
I'll take an example from work. You have to look
at every day like a transactional environment, that everything went
the way it's supposed to go. Right. You went in,
you turned the lights on, the product got picked, they
got shipped, the customer got it, they're happy. You turn
the lights off when you left. So when you have
(06:57):
an issue, you know where to kind of start to
attacking it. So I looked at the Bible like there
was no issues, there was no friends, it was just
a normal book. And then I immediately started seeing stuff
and that's when it clicked, like that, Okay, this is
what you're supposed to do. So if you remember, that's
when I started my blog, was I just wanted to
share some stuff. Was like, man, this is crazy, this
(07:19):
is a weird way to word this. And then, of course,
you know, after a year into doing it, I noticed
what my pattern was. I like to say that when
I say Nephilim. There's I mean that in Genesis six,
sons of God came down and took human wives. There's
the nephilum effects, and then there's the nephylum intent. Intent
(07:40):
is the is the devil evil and all that stuff.
My world, my lane is the effects, because I argue,
if you you know, and all the examples we're going
to go into, like the judges and mckils a deck
and all this other stuff that point blank, black and white.
Genesis six says that something got into the bloodline. And
(08:00):
this is a bold statement, but if we don't read
the Bible properly, we're gonna miss who these people really
were and what the story really is because you think
about Nephlom and then you think Promised Land and Amorites,
but then you get down to Esther and they're still
talking about So like that is where I'm at now,
Is that is the story? That literally is the story.
(08:23):
The Bible is, in a matter way of speaking, a
story of God trying to keep the human race alive
against phenomenal evil. You know, super vague way to say it,
but that's the way I interpret it now. So yeah,
So it started off like super I guess it still
is organ organic, Like I'm still learning. I found something
(08:43):
really crazy about the firmament in our dome and it's
you know, I'm kind of excited to bring that up
today because it's just like, what did this place really
look like? What did the world really look like? What's
really going on here?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah? Yeah, So the first thing that you're gonna hear
from some outside of our circles is, so, how do
you balance the scholarship, like the historical critical method of
reading the Bible, in other words, reading it in context
of the times, like you're familiar with highs are right,
I'm sure? Yeah, And you know I love the fact
(09:17):
that he reads the Bible that way. But yet he says,
We've got to do something with this weird stuff. I mean,
the weird stuff is important. It's in there, and we
have like T shirts out there, get them on our shop. Anyway,
weird is biblical, you know, because weird is biblical. It's
supposed to be normal. But to the world, a lot
of biblical things are weird, including the way we're supposed
(09:37):
to walk, you know, with Jesus. But how do you
balance when you when you when you like you do
a deep dive into it. How do you balance study
the languages in the history without losing the supernatural, the
mystical heartbeat of what you're studying exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
So it's a complex answer. So for me, mainly, you remember,
my thing is I don't take from any other books
like I just study Enoch, no, nothing else, because what
God really put on my heart at the very beginning
of this, I keep going back to, like the real
estate analogy. You know, your border can't be a rock,
but can't be a dead tree. So it has to
(10:12):
be an absolute, immovable structure of truth like that is,
and so we have to establish and that's I guess
is one of my main focus is here is what
is the actual truth? And when you bring in other books,
of course, it muddies it, and you know, and that's
we're never going to get anywhere. So that's the one thing.
But the next thing is I try to look at
(10:35):
what the overall meaning is of a statement or a
phrase or whatever it is. The Hebrew language, something I
learned early on was it's not necessarily the words or
what they're saying, it's it's a descriptive language. It like
the Dome, the firmament's kind of tiptoe on what I
what I learned. So we see the firmament. Ferment's the
(10:57):
word they talk about this in Black, but in Hebrew
it's rakia. Rakia comes from a root word meaning to
spread out or to beat with a hammer. So what
are they saying when they translate rakia to firmament or dome?
So the rakia is a verb, a word describing how
to make a dome. So that kind of gives you
(11:17):
an example of what the firmament actually is and why
they call it a firmament and all that. So that's
what I try to do, is break it down to
what are they really saying here? Because too, they didn't
have the Department of Education and the rothschilds, and they
didn't have all that fun stuff back then, a lot
of this stuff and too, you know, you think about
the Ethiopian Bible. Why that's so important is because that's
(11:38):
of those times, that's the first book to have drawings.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Because I didn't know that all of our people.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yes, all of our people live watching the ground open
because of people having idols, right, and you didn't if
you read Hebrew book, it doesn't say God. It says
g slash D. So these are people that were very
scared and fearful of God. When they wrote stuff where
they translated or they passed notes, a lot of times
they didn't say it was more of like an emphasis
(12:06):
on things. So that too has really helped me to
figure this out of you know, how they talked, why
they talked the way they talked, and what's the whole
point here? And it is clear that they all all
these different books, these humans were living with very large
people and large entities doing things, and they were in
normal humans were clearly under like vicious attack. So once
(12:30):
I kind of figured that out, that would you know,
because I'll say it bluntly, like a lot of the
stuff that I'd come up with, it might sound outlandish
to somebody that's not super into this stuff. So it's
important for me to be able to say, yeah, I
feel compelled because this scripture, this scripture, and this scripture,
and to back it up, you know, so you're lying,
you're lyon.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Warriors got a lot of feedback on their podcast, which
I thought was cool. Man Cassandy did this like really
cool line on the thing, and I'm like, why not
if the early you know, before the flood, the anti
Luvian Nephelum were huge. They were big, and they were
doing all kinds of chimeric experiments.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
The thing that hit me that really got me into
a lot of this. And I had read Heiser's book
like fifteen fifteen years ago, and I didn't get it.
I mean I really didn't. It was a timing issue
for God. And then Lindsay and I started going down
this rabbit hole together. He started first, and then he
started taking me with him with sword and staff and
(13:30):
lurry and all this kind of stuff. And Haiser and
I started to see that we live in a really strange,
supernatural world. And you know, I sit on the porch
at night. I love to hear the bugs. But then
I realized that, like what's out in the forest that
I live in, And so we have to suspend our unbelief.
(13:52):
I don't say suspend belief, We have to suspend our
unbelief for a lot of this this kind of of stuff, if.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You don't mind indulging, I've got a really crazy one
about that specifically, And this is another example of like
how I research so Ezekiel Book of Ezekiel, awesome book. Now,
if you're familiar with it, is when when God tells
Ezekiel to dig through the wall and he goes through
and he sees all the wicked abominations. Yeah, yeah, so
(14:27):
I dove into that. Now that is a super complex thing,
but it goes to exactly what you were just saying.
I like, what is what's in the woods? And how
did this because we talked about the line facemen last time. Yeah,
this is just nuts. So so I went in and
saw and behold every form of creeping things and abominable beasts,
and all the idols of the House of Israel. And
(14:48):
and he said, unto me, go in and behold the
Now in Hebrew it is tea vat herod. It's a
wicked abominations, except the translations off And this was so cool.
So toey vat is abomination. Hara h a r a
in Hebrew is to get pregnant or to conceive, So
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hara ot is a inn inception ritual. So well, yes,
so what God tells Ezekiel to go in and see
is literally a wicked conception ritual. Now in translation we
miss that. You just see a wicked abomination and it's
it's crazy. No, he goes in and sees this making
(15:31):
of makings of cryptis. Now if that's.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Well, you know, to interject real quick, you know, wicked
used in the Hebrew a lot has to do with
sexual stuff. I'll just say a lot of times wicked
is connected in uncovering nakedness and stuff like that. You know,
it's like these code words that we don't get that
you have to dive in deep into anyway, keep going.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yes, So and then this story goes when he goes in,
he sees jays and Aia, the son of Chaffin, surrounded
by seven the ancient ones. And I tracked that and
it's ancient ones, the ones from the ancient or ancient elders.
So it's seventy ancients surrounded by jays and Aiah. This, yes,
doing this conception ritual. Now, jays and Iah the son
(16:15):
of Schaffin. Schaeffin was the scribe for King Josiah. So
you're telling me the guy that was over knowledge in
books and information, his son is down in some deep
warehouse doing conception rituals with seventy ancient ones. So it's like,
(16:36):
you know, now do you believe their line face men?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Well, yeah, that when you first started going down this road,
I started realizing it's just like the Tower of Babble.
I mean, people are like, what's the big deal about
him trying to unify? And and you get tired of
the old excuse of they were just really bad guys.
You know, there's truly bad men, you know, I mean,
look look around the world. Now, there's some really bad
(17:01):
men here, and you don't see the god flood in
the world. And so anyway, I'm thinking about the Tower
of Babble and the whole concept of I think I've
read or heard somewhere about King Og in his bed,
but even Nimrod that they would have conception rituals at
the top of the Ziggarot to create a portal to
mate with angels and stuff. And this is actually after
(17:23):
the flood. This is like a second excursion, which I
want to ask you about that in a minute, about
what you believe about that, how that could have happened.
But I mean, that's one of the feasible possible things.
Lindsay and I have talked about this ad nauseum. It's like,
I think that we have been brainwashed out of thinking
(17:44):
of anything outside of our physical senses, And I'm starting
to really learn that Darwinian is am particularly evolution, even
though I do believe in an old Earth, and I
know that that's controversial with a lot of Christians. I
do believe in an old Earth, but I don't think
it has to be Darwinian of a but the Darwinian lawes.
I heard a guy the other day I'm listening to.
(18:05):
He says, do you know that that Darwin himself said
to believe in evolution, we have to suspend some scientific
facts that we already have that's not science.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Look back to the Babbel thing real quick. I always
felt like, all right, was God so concerned about a
bunch of goobers building the tower? I mean, was there
had to have been more to it than that?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
If exactly, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I don't think they were literally just trying to build
a tower to God. There like a physical structure. There
had to have been more to it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, yeah, but they're trying to create Eden.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, But when we were kids, we just I was
when I went to Sunday School when that was I
always thought they were just trying to go all the
way up to God and meet God up in heaven somewhere,
or they were that stupid to think he was up there.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
So yeah, yeah, the Babel thing. Again, I'm rethinking a
lot of different things now because of stuff I'm finding
and Nimrod in the Living Bible, he's referred to it
as the first King. You know, this hunter and all
of that. But the first king so a little heavy.
But the king thing and prince's thing. So something I
(19:20):
noticed with princes is is super heavy. So in first
Chronicles and all the princes and all the mighty men
and all these sons of the king submitted themselves to Solomon.
You can break that down. And a lot of that
sentence doesn't make sense because what is technically a prince
son of a king, right, the heir to the throne? Yeah,
so then how could there be the princes and the
(19:41):
sons of the king in the same sentence. So I
started I dove into that, and long story short, looks
like kings. God is the lord, God of Heaven's armies.
We know that angels have certain roles, but I think
it is way more complex than that. And he was
appointing kings and prince is awesome and free will that
(20:02):
is where and I'm tying us into Babbel because the
kings apparently some of the women went to their head
and they wanted to do their own nations. We know
King Agog the Amalekites, right, So it seems like that
there was these positions on earth again, I guess bumpers
to keep the human race safe. And then you look
at Daniel ten when you know the story of Daniel.
(20:26):
Michael goes to Daniel says, hey, we've heard you this time,
but I couldn't get here because of the evil Prince
of Persia.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, if you break that down into Hebrew, it is
the Sar Malchit Paris, which is the prince of the
Kingdom of Persia. And then Michael, the angel that the
world knows about has been in movies and stuff, is
called the serum Hai rashanam as a prince of the
early times.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Wow, prince of the early times. That's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So then it's like, okay, so Nimrod was one of
the first kings, and then he did the Tower of Babbel,
so it's like, again, what did it really look like
back then? And King of Tire we know in Ezekiel
twenty eight, King of Tire is a former chairub. So
it's way more complex than we know about it. Basically,
I can.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Say, yeah, yeah, well it can go deep. But you
do you use the Book of Enoch or Jubilees at
all or do you just stay away from you stay
away from Okay, yeah you do, but you do, but
you do go into like scholarly works like obviously Kittrells
and Kittles or whatever it's called, and Thayer's and all
that kind of stuff to look up the Hebrew words
(21:38):
and all that. I would love to learn Hebrew. I
know Greek. I just have the tom. I've tried, and
I still have the tom.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I feel like I'm picking it up from my research.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So so to your your point, some of those scholarly debates,
they're fun because I like to look for an average
and something really crazy. I noticed, if you look at
the four living creatures, the first time that they're talked about,
it's all the same except it's the face of a ox, right,
and then the second time they're referred to, it's the
(22:08):
face of a cherub. So I caught one of these
scholarly arguments that that is the technical form of the
cherub is an ox and that it wasn't an accident
like that was just how it was referred to the
second time. And for me, just like distribution, are there
any other pieces? Look at all the pictures of Bayol
(22:31):
in Moloch. Moloch used to have an ox head, but
now he's the awl Bahoomian grove and all that. So
it's like, maybe I could see some credence to that
because the devil with the goat and a lot of
the animal features. When you read, especially Ezekiel, you notice
that like in God's world, the way he looks at things,
(22:51):
if I can be so bald, it looks like he
looks at animals and humans is kind of not the
same thing, but in the same realm kind of, if
that makes sense. So I could see that because think
about in Revelation, Jesus is the face of a lamb.
You know, they're not just saying well, you know, it
just kind of looks like a lamb because of his beard.
Like yeah, So that was one of the arguments that
I stumbled upon. It really opened my eyes to the
(23:14):
bigger picture here in you know, his army and how
he has given different roles and responsibilities. How do you
make something that can just keep working. It will never
need you, right, You just have to have moving pieces
and think about why the wheels had eyes on it.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah. So yeah, well, you know that that reminds me
of something that I used to talk about all the time,
particularly dealing with when I took ot dealing with the plagues.
I think most people, maybe not the average sunny school Christian,
but but most people realize that the plagues were based
on Egyptian gods, and he was one up in the
(23:50):
Egyptian gods. And if you look at hieroglyphics and you
look at k period art, different on the stuff all that,
you know, they all have their animal head. The interesting
thing I found about this and I got this from
a friend of mine from up in Washington and Spokane.
He did a lot of work over season India, and
the Christians over there are very careful about animals and
(24:13):
stuff like that because certain types of animals have been
sort of that's the word adopted into the cult, like
the owl or frogs. I wonder sometimes if that was
part of their plan too, was, you know, because it
says I think I want to say, in Noah's story,
(24:35):
he didn't take everything with him. He only took certain
things with him, and I think that they wanted to
pervert everything. They wanted to all living things, you know,
all flesh. He was going to destroy all flesh. That's frogs,
that's chameleons, that's you know, all the things we were
just talking about. He wanted to destroy all flesh. And
(24:57):
it's really interesting because I wonder if it was because
of that whole occultic nature and the connection between the
gods and you see it all over the world. I'm
just using Egypt as an example because they're very noticeable,
well you know why as a frog and then and
then my conspiracy thing kicks in. There's this whole movement
called was it kick with a Frog? And it's supposedly
(25:17):
you know good. I'm like, yeah, but they're using occult
symbol too. I think it's kek is it keick? Lindsey?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I think the that has something to do with the
whole kickstan Yeah, I don't never.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's some kind of concern. It was some kind of
conservative type, yeah, thing with Q and all this kind
of stuff. But anyway, I just wonder if when God
made the earth, if he based it on the watchers
and the angels, and he made creatures in their images
and a lot of the animals we have, but then
(25:52):
they got perverted, you know, because they got perverted. What
do you what do you think about that that's out there?
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I think that that's I think again, especially the deeper
and deeper I go. You see that constant smearing those
lines with human and animal, and it's kind of like
like us now would be like, you know, that's disgusting.
Why would you do that? And I can't condone, but
I mean, there was no shopping malls, there was no TV,
Like the Earth hadn't been formed that long ago. So
(26:21):
the evil presence, I feel like, think about in the Bible,
how possession is liket rampant, right. I've never met anybody
in my life that was possessed, and it's constantly in
the Bible. So I feel like like it was just
so fresh and new, honestly to go conspiratorial. Something happened
in nineteen hundred, clearly, and that's why we are where
(26:43):
we are now. But I feel like it was like
it was such a striving force then on the planet,
you know, because like there was no nations. It was
right for the taking. It is probably a great way
to say it, because there were no nations, there was
no this, there was no that, so you could easily
establish a form of control. You could easily go in
(27:04):
and say, oh, well we got to have you gotta
pay taxes. Now, you can't take this road, this is
our road. You gotta do this and this. Everyone knows
that no civilization has ever been built without slave labor,
just because how do you force people to do stuff
they don't want to do? Yea, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, we're called slaves, but it getting shillings a day.
In England they paid kids little or nothing. That's still
slave labor, even though they paid them well tributaries.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
That word tributaries in the Bible, that is forced labor.
So every time you see that somebody was a tribute,
it doesn't mean that it was a trophy. It was
they it was forced labor. And then just to not
to steer the conversation, but then they were using the
giants as forced labor. That's smart in my opinion, but yeah,
it's it was a very different landscape. And I believe,
(27:53):
you know, especially for me and what I'm doing, Like
God we're missing the point when we don't read these
things and take it in. Because if you don't again
all this crazy hybridization giants, if you don't take that
in and you read the Bible, what big problem do
you find? Because again everyone thinks that the Bible as
the redemption story, Like, so then what is it about?
(28:15):
You know? And what is if things were so bad
that the only way to get to heaven is this way,
then what were those things?
Speaker 5 (28:22):
You know?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
So that's the big problem with the translation and not
taking these things and not getting the full story because
you know, think about the story of Joe. Is that
as so severe as a story if we don't take
into the fact evil?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah. Well, and and if you look at the world
through the Christus Victor framework, which I tend to even
though I do believe in, there is a redemption arc,
but it's not the central aspect of obviously, it's to
get in. And you know, we spend all our time
just trying to get in and then we do nothing
and the goal is to get in and to do something.
(28:57):
But anyway, Yeah, the coming King has come. Learn this
from right and from other people. The coming King has come,
and he's already here, and he's not yet and he's
coming to do what he needs to do. And you're right,
you don't see that unless there's an enemy.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
To your point, Jesus is the king of kings, the
Lord of lords, and the prince of princes. Right, But
when you read the story, that's not what he's trying
to do. It's not his goal at all. So it's
like for somebody like me, it's like, well, then why
would he be called that and just to put him
higher than them? Yeah? But does that really because like,
(29:32):
this is the son of God, So wouldn't it mean
more And wouldn't it mean more than just he's just
a better king than the other kings? No. In Psalm
seventy six, Psalm seventy six, the last line says that
he will he shall cut off the spirit of the
princes and do terrible things to the kings. So, like
(29:53):
I was saying earlier, with the princes and the kings,
if I'm right that they are angelic beings. Angelic beings
are a manifestation of God's spirit. That's how they exist.
But we do operate in the free will market, so
they can technically not do good or do good or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, so then that.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Line of cutting off the spirit of the princes means
that of those roles that he's appointed, like Michael was
a good prince, the Prince of Persia was not those
He's going to cut those spirits off because they're you know,
they're not doing what it's supposed to do. If you
look at it like that, then yes, our Mighty Lord
and Savior was the prince of all these princes and
(30:35):
the king of all these kings that were tearing the
world up. Now that to me, in my opinion, with
my love for God and Jesus, that would be what
that means. So again going back to like are we
getting the juice from these stories?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Well, what passages do you believe? They can't be properly
understood unless you accept the divine counselor on seeing what
we're talking about all this this stuff. I mean, you know,
what do you think would be two or three passages
that it don't make sense unless we see it from
this world view of this framework.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
So it's so funny because I have like a million
of those. Just give me three exactly, But I think
a really great one right now. I've been I've been
I finally had a chance to get into mckils a
deck and interesting, Joe, So that one right there, Well, well,
I think is the best answer that I could give
you is if we don't take all this into account,
that story's not gonna make sense. So mckils a deck
(31:31):
really quick. And in the Bible there's two battles of
giant kings in Genesis and then one in Joshua. The
one in Genesis is Sodom Abram mom Ray, and we
talked about that last time. But specifically, mckils a deck
shows up. He's the King of Salem, tithe, and that's it.
He bounces, and then later on we start hearing that
(31:52):
Jesus is from the order of mckils a deck. In
Hebrews seven, it says specifically to whom also Abraham gave tenth,
I gave a tenth part of all first being by interpretation,
king of righteousness, and also that and after that also
King of Salem, which is king of peace. So you
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kind of see what they're the painting. They're they're they're
going for there without father, without mother, without descent, having
neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made
like unto the Son of God a beaateth a priest continually.
So right off the bat, Hebrew's saying seven is saying
that mikils Adek had no father, had no mother, no descent,
(32:38):
and he is a to be onto the son of God.
Talking about Jesus a beatth a priest continually. Now in
Hebrew that is a cohen k o h e n.
Now you guys know the priest line is levitical from
Erin except from a kils a deck and Jesus. So
that is a that is an and it can go
I can go way further, but that's it'll get way
(33:01):
too complicated. But that is something that if you don't
take all this into account, you're gonna miss that. It's
not gonna make any sense. So technically what happened Layman's terms,
is God appointed this being mckills a deck because it's
not mkils a deck and Hebrew it's mkil Sadek. And
what that is is basically king of righteousness is what
(33:24):
that breaks down to this. It's not like Adam Ferriss
right right, this being was appointed and had been there
Abram and all that stuff. All that stuff went down
and then Mkil's deck showed up, so he was already there.
He was already established. He was a king of Salem.
And you can argue, well, Salem Jerusalem, that's different, except
in Psalms it does refer that Salem as is Zion.
(33:48):
We know Zion comes from David in Jerusalem, so that
ties that together. So what is that? What is that like? Literally,
this being was a king, but it was an a
and then he eventually Jesus comes from the line the
Cohen priest line of Mchilsdec. I know that's a little
(34:08):
complicated and complex, but that's, you know, because because what
interesting to me is because a lot of people take
the easy approach and be like, oh, Mchilsdec was Jesus.
I can see it connected and blocked. This was its
own spiritual being that was on the earth, a priest
of God. Now way before all that even happened, right
way before Abram and Isaac and all that. So yeah,
(34:29):
that's a different perspective.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I had heard people try to say Melchizedek was Jesus,
but never that he was a separate, just spiritual being.
So would you say he is one of the sons
of God that was just given dominion in the Jerusalem era.
What exactly are you saying there, I guess without going
to into.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
It exactly exactly. So what I'm saying, what I think
happened was God made everything and everything He made this.
He's the lord, God of Evan's army, so he has
lots of roles in his arm me for different things,
different like the we we are familiar with the four winds.
They literally are just the seasons. So He's appointed a
(35:08):
lot of different entities, spiritual entities on the earth, probably
for us to keep us safe. Probably this is how
the work the earth. Actually that's physics, right, that's the
stuff that we don't know behind the lines. And then
also because of what happened at the beginning of the
original sin, so he, i'd imagine, with his love, was like,
all right, well, I'm gonna put some stuff in here
(35:30):
just to keep everybody safe. So then once this thing
got to Roland, you know, some of these princes and
some of these kings were like, yo, it's kind of
nice down here. You know, I might make a kingdom
and then and then here we are now. Right, So
to say it bluntly, I think that's what happened completely.
It was just a lot of different roles and then
free will and evil took over.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
This is a perfect segue in my opinion about there's
there's two big kind of things that I wanted to
tackle in this show that will hold over from your
last show that I just wanted you to kind of
flesh out a little bit, interesting choice of words, but
flesh out a little bit. The first would be what
do you think about the second excursion aspect of the
(36:15):
Nephilm And to you, there's several different options, which one
do you think is the most feasible of this?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
It definitely does come from Ham. That that's I mean,
the Bible lays it right out there for us.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
The uncovering of his nekedness with Noah and all that
kind of stuff and Canaan.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yep, exactly that. And also too, because you know, I'm
a super small detail guy, the way that they list
the genealogy is different with Ham. You know, when it
gets to the Jby site and there Gergishite and all that.
That is because again this is a parable the way
you got to look at this as a puzzle. There's
a lot of crazy stuff on purpose for us to
figure out yeah, so I think that's why genealogy is
(36:58):
so big. Yeah, because that's example of when things are off.
So yes, definitely ham but then we have so many
different examples of it's still happening, like even I know
we talked last time one Corinthians eleven ten women to
have power on their heads because of the angels. Yes,
that's in the New Testament. So you know, so I
think it's crazy because to look at it black and
(37:20):
white scientifically, like, once it's in the DNA, it's there,
and as long as you don't isolate it, then it's
going to be rampant. So that's why it was so
heavy on don't inter marry, don't intermarry, because it was
trying to weed this out.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Well, Israel was a big Petri dish for science there. Yeah,
all right, I gotta ask it.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
How do you think the whole narrative, Well, it's been
a narrative since I've been a kid, the alien abduction,
the the Gralians some people say it, the Grays, and
these stories of experiments hybrids being made. How do you
think that plays into this discussion?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Sure? So you know, I live in Virginia, born and raised.
I love Virginia. I'm a proponent for Virginia. In sixteen
oh one, John Smith came through, checked everything out. He
made a map of all the stuff that he saw.
Everyone knows of like a tenth of what he saw,
but this is a published map. So when he got
to Chesapeake Bay, he documented a tribe of six six
(38:22):
hundred giants, and then sixteen thirty ish is when they
established Jamestown. So thirty years later, there's no six hundred giants.
I don't believe that. So my opinion is just like
I was saying with the kings and the princess. That's
why that's so important to me, because that's my answer
(38:44):
to where we are now, while we are under government
control and we have to pay taxes on everything that
we do for the rest of our life, is because
that was what was happening then, and that was the
forming of government, and that's why somebody wanted to take over.
And there was these crazy battles that we see in
our history book, but in reality they were actually trying
(39:05):
to conquer the human race. So my point is, I
used before this, I believed I was open to aliens.
I was, you know, I mean, it's like, hey, maybe
I'm biblical lends. Now, it doesn't say that God made
anything on another planet, so I'm not to believe that.
My opinion, black and white is that this is the
(39:26):
deep state, the nephlum, the intent, the bad guys. That's
how the government has worked for thousands of years of
keeping us on scared and nervous and not sure and
waiting and this and.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
This impitted against each other to the dialectic you know
the exactly Yep.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah, exactly, And again are there pieces to what I'm saying? Well,
we know our government has crazy technology plant Center and
US three. Right now, when we get off this podcast,
we could run to Walmart by a drone. So right,
So that's my.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Answer yet, but I could buy it.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I believe all this funky stuff is the deep state
government the enough for them trying to just keep us,
you know, because we've already read the last page of
the book and they're in the book, so they know
just like we do. So they're trying to get us
to eventually get that mark and to deny and all this.
(40:27):
So right, that would be my answer.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Okay, So last time we talked about I had never
heard of good Nephelin and I kind of mentioned it
at the beginning of the podcast. Can you talk a
little bit what led you to dub it? And you guys,
I'm going to pull all this together because this is
all going to the text because Adam doesn't use emich
and all that stuff, and there's there's nothing wrong with
(40:50):
the ones who do hey use it. He chooses not
to and he doesn't want it is a mixture, you know,
which I can respect. Let's talk about the evolution of
the good Nephilum. We know they have free wills, but
how did they evolve from being twenty five thirty foot
creatures too down to Goliath of nine foot and you know,
(41:13):
and Og and all that. And I just want to
throw that out there, just give us a little teaching here.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, And that was fun because that's what I stumbled upon,
because like, you think of giant, and there's Goliath, and
then Genesis six tells us there were giants, but then
there's no like, there really isn't any other examples. Now
they suggest King Og is big, but it doesn't say
he is a jog Hiant.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, and same a Nemron too. He's considered a Gibbereim,
which is a mighty hunter but can also be a giant.
So it's not clear.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Exactly so you and it does lie on Gibbereim. There's
a word goodal that is an emphasis of size. So
initially I saw you, remember we talked about David's mighty Man,
so tracked all them and they do all come from AMRII,
you know, and stuff like that. So I noticed right
off the bat, well, this is a group of giants.
(42:08):
And then I'm in that world for a hot minute
and I'm just just finding all this stuff. And in
my own personal readings, I was in the Book of
Judges and I was reading about Jephtha and Gideon and
it was like, hold on, this is suggesting that they
were giants. So that's when I got onto the whole
Nephlum effect versus intent. Yeah, just because you came from Nephlm.
(42:33):
And that's why I have to say that because a
lot of people it is what it is. Nepholm is
not a bad word. We think it is because of
the intent. I have to stress it enough. It is
a bloodline. And just like the Redemption story, you can
come from bad, but you can still be good and
that's that brass tacks, that's what the Bible's about. So
(42:55):
I started noticing that these people that come from those
like you track genealogy, but they're doing good things. So
think of it like this, Like Genesis six says, sons
of God human wives, blah. Jeptha the Gileadite. This is
a great example. Jephtha was a mighty man of valor.
He was the son of a harlot, and Gilead begat Jephtha.
(43:16):
Now when you break that down into Hebrew says he's
a gibberem, and we have to take that word for
what it is, right, but it is not a harlot.
He is the son of a zona. A zona refers
to a woman who has had sexual relations with someone
she has prohibited from mary, even if she was not
a prostitute. So it's got none to do with her
being a prostitute. She hooked up with someone you're not
(43:38):
supposed to hook up with, and she produced a gibberin.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
That's interesting, that's mean, Yeah, that's interesting evidence there because
gibriin can be translated just mighty hunter, mighty men. So
how do you went back to the interpreted interpretation of
the text. How do you distinguish between the two of those, Adam,
I mean that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
You take the full story. And that's what I was
saying earlier about like it's not really what they're saying,
but how they're trying to say it. What's the point
behind this?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Well, and don't names? Aren't names really important? I've learned
from a friend of mind that you need to like
look up names and they they tell stories and stuff.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Huge, not to go into it. JL from the story
from Deborah JL with the tent spike. She is a
Kinnesite and her name translates to mountain goat. So but anyway,
so how do you like again Yeah, yeah, Devil's Advocate.
Am I reading it wrong? Am I taking it wrong?
I take the whole story into context. So when you
read the Judges, and this is a great example of
(44:38):
good nephlum, good giants. And what that really means is
every scenario in Judges were a dire emergency, right. It
wasn't like, well, you know the next in line is Giddon, well,
because his brother's block. It was all dire emergencies. And
then you look at the story with the Midi Nites,
and the Amalakites. Israel wasn't. It didn't say Israel they
(45:01):
were coming in and killing Israel, destroying them. It said
that they were robbing the land. Yeah, they were telling
you that Israel was under such a heavy, heavy, heavy
attack that the only answer was a heavy response. And
the way that they lay it down was this guy
was hand picked. You go through his genealogy to see
where he comes from. They come from. They always come
(45:24):
from promised land, from the conquest, were cohabitating. So again
putting the pieces together. And that's why I keep saying
Nephlin's not a bad word. It's a bloodline because the
judges were people just living and God tapped them on
the shoulder, Hey I need you because you can do this.
And he does this, and you look at the feats.
Gideon himself knocked down a tower himself. So Gideon is
(45:48):
referred to as a ghibbareim in his story. He knocks
down a tower himself and he conquers the town himself.
The only other examples of people doing that are literally
the same, Like Joe. We talked about that last time. Joe,
all his father's not mentioned Sam and then Dog the Edomite. Yeah,
and do the Edomite is a gibbering Yeah, and dog
(46:12):
conquered the town of Nobe himself. So the thing is,
and I'll go back to my work experience. I didn't
see what happened to that tire. I wasn't there. I
can't in a court of law. I could not say, well,
it was a mispick, he delivered it wrong. I didn't
see it. Physically, I can produce evidence that would give
you a reasonable doubt where that tire went right. So
(46:35):
that's what I do. That's my realm of putting these
pieces together and say, hey, this is how that thing
looks right here?
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Well, and we need to go back to that because
our our founding fathers and even Human and Locke and
the guys before that. To believe something, it just had
to be put out there beyond a reasonable doubt. I
guess some reason that correctly. To believe something, you don't
have to prove it perfectly, but if you present enough
(47:02):
evidence that that, hey, I doubt that this is not true.
And and and that's how I've kind of started to
live with a lot of this stuff because, like I
said earlier in the show, is and I don't mean
this to insult anybody. I mean, there's some wackos out
there that believe like just you know, and I reserve judgment.
I learned this from my good friend Amy. I reserve
(47:25):
judgment and let it kind of play out, you know,
particularly when it comes to the modern events and stuff
like that. And then you know, just to reserve judgment.
And and uh, and and and pray. I think prayer
is essential. I think we have the Holy Spirit who
says in script Jesus says he will lead us into
all truth. And that's crucial, crucial there. Uh, we need
(47:49):
to do that even with the non fringe supernatural stuff.
You know, we need to we need every time we
open the world and I go in and out of that,
I'm just keeping it real. Oh someone do I just
opened the Word and start reading, and I'm like, you know,
I need to ask for his grace. I need to
ask for revelation here. I need to ask for it
to change my heart and change my mind. And I
(48:11):
just think that this topic is so crucial because I
think some people, Okay, I think there's two sides. I
think some people historical critical the supernatural out of the Bible,
and I think some people take it so literal that
there's no room for allegory or it being other things
(48:32):
other than that. And I think both sides are wrong.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
For me, Like I like to keep it natural, like
black and white. I feel like I'm very comfortable with
my findings and my research because i feel like I'm
just reading the Bible. You know, I'm not applying Well,
this book said this, and you know he probably just
because you know, again to go to the judges, God
said you don't need a king. I'm your king. So
(48:59):
what do you do. Well, you look around and you've
got like ten people that are like super special that
you can use to keep your people from having a king.
And when there's a vicious battle, I'm gonna tap this
dude right here, and then over here this is going down, well,
I'm gonna tap this guy right here and he's gonna
help us out. And then finally his people he was like,
(49:19):
all right, fine, you can have a king. I did
all this stuff to keep you guys safe, and that
one enough, Fine, you can have a king. And so
that's that's kind of how this thing was. Was Gone
was just like that's what was on the planet, and
he was you know, trying to keep us safe.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, and it's interesting you said about the judges and
the Gabberen and the nepheline they were full of wisdom,
and yeah, it's just really interesting coming off of the
show I did yesterday to this show today, I don't
know if he would say that every Nephelion is bad.
And then then this also, and you don't have to
answer this, but I'm sure you've thought about this also
(49:54):
brings in the whole picture of what about some of
these mighty men and it could be that they're d
was so deluded, But what about these money men? Do
they become demons like the other nephilon.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Did all they're cutting the head off in the spirit roaming?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you're onto something. I
think that that it just got diluted, and I think
that they became humans, but they still maintained some of
their supernatural abilities obviously, And they made a choice. They
made a choice, just like the their their fathers, the
the watchers, or the demons that fell from heaven. They
(50:28):
made a choice. And I don't see why. Possibly it
doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that every Nephilon was evil.
It just it just alludes to the fact that most
of them were. But that's not you know, that's not
a case. I mean that went win in court.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
It's oversimplification. Well, the shad Ragmishak and a Bendigo, they
were thrown into that pit by two certain giverin.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Right no had two.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Guards and certain translations guards. But then in Hebrew it
was it's too certain give riene. So that's why I said, Nephlom,
it's not just as simple as a lot of people say,
and how we kind of think about it, and how
I used to think about it too. I'm not gonna
act like I know everything to bah. It's just something
that was in our bloodline. Technically in Hebrew it's hannafell,
(51:21):
which are the falling, and that's where that word comes from. Yeah,
so it's it's just what happened from the fall and
and yeah, you see it all the way down through
the line. Just because it was there doesn't mean And
then to your point about the cutting the head off,
I think we've all heard the argument that that's why
possession and demons are so strong, because they came from Nephlom,
and that's you know, they were giants. I could I
(51:42):
could get down with that. I just certain things for me,
I have to find it in the Bible, or because
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Start in the Bible. It's not there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah, I can't speculate or all of my work is trash,
like I have to take it. And there's a lot
of things, you know, you see some of my videos
where it's like, well I didn't find much on this guy,
like because I'm again, I'm trying to set this truth right, right, right,
So I can't speculate.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Well, you know, to defend that aspect, because that's what
I believe, But to defend that aspect doesn't say in
the Bible that demons are falling angels either. Yeah, it's
like you're kind of in a conundrum here of what
is it? What are they? Who are they? And then
I think the first thing that that that kind of
got me into it was unclean spirits versus demons and
(52:30):
demon demon's eye and then unclean spirits and the separation
between the two and all that kind of stuff. But yeah,
I respect your opinion of that. I mean, I like
the fact that you stick, you know, to stick to
the bibble and stick to your guns. And you know
you do that. That's that's that's honorable. And then I
think that's a great thing. So I mean, that's that's
the only infallible truth in it we have.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
I got something crazy, get you guys to think about.
This is the next thing I'm gonna get to researching.
I noticed that Jesus tells everybody the same thing, except
for one tells everybody, don't tell anybody what happened. Just
go home, love your guy, except the dude that was
possessed by legion. Legion, Yeah, go home, tell everybody what
(53:12):
your God did for you. That hit me the other
day when I was reading, because I've read that a
bunch of times, and I was like, oh, wait a minute,
Wait a minute, because just like we're talking about demons
and spirituality and the Legion went to the pigs. You're
not supposed to eat pork. So it's like, I think
there's something more there that we're missing about demons and
(53:33):
you know how that works.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, now I think you're on some dig into it. Brother.
I'll have you back on the show. We can talk
about it. I just love to hear your diging, your
research and all that kind of stuff. It's just fascinating.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yep. We can't empirically come down and say it's all true.
You get enough evidence, Like the guys said yesterday, it
starts to become evident.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
That's a great way of saying.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, that's a very fair way to say it. I'm
stealing it from them too. So well, look, bro, thank
you so much. Work may find you your dats. I
know we've done it last show, but let's go ahead
and for anybody's never listening to your last show, where
can they find you and connect with you?
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah? Absolutely? YouTube e Adam Ferris got a bunch of videos,
a lot of good content. Been doing some AI videos too,
and that's fun m hm.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
And teach me how to do that.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yo, that's crazy. You know. I don't care if it's
bad or not. I'm gonna use it to share the
good news here here Eadamferris dot substack dot com.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Or my writings. I follow your substeckt yep.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
Yeah, thank you. And I'm on Instagram. Yeah, Instagram too,
Adam Ferris. I love talking about this stuff, so just
reach out. I'm an open person.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
Cool. Well, we appreciate you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Five Stones is on Amazon now.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
That is his graphic novel about David's Mighty Men and
David It's really rocks. All right. Well, thank you so much, Adam.
We appreciate you being on our show man, and we'll
see you next time.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Bro yep.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
Absolutely thanks for listening and supporting us, and remember stay
naturally supernatural.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Hi everybody, it's me Cinderella Acts. You are listening to
(56:23):
the Fringe Radio Network. I know I was gonna tell them, Hey,
do you have the app? It's the best way to
listen to the Fringe Radio Network. It's safe and you
don't have to log in to use it, and it
doesn't track you or trace you, and it sounds beautiful.
I know I was gonna tell him, how do you
(56:44):
get the app? Just go to Fringe radionetwork dot com
right at the top of the page. I know, slippers,
we gotta keep cleaning these chimneys.
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