November 5, 2025 • 50 mins
When the Crown Jewels of Ireland went missing it set off a flurry of accusations, uncovered secrets, destroyed lives and a trail that led right up to the Royal Family of England. With the priceless jewels missing to this day and the full story having never been "officially" revealed, even after the best of Scotland Yard was immediately put on the case, one has to wonder what is going on here. The scandal, the lies, the cover up and the missing jewels are just the beginning of this sorted tale with actions and patterns that are still in effect today by the elites.
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It's great to have everybody along once again. Hey, we
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Yeah, And we've done multiples of him now and it's
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we've covered most We kept thinking of things to do
and we're like we've covered most of those things.
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so you have our permission to go listen to other
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dot com. And this is where we got today's episode
from a listener sent in something that is extremely fascinating
I think, and oddly enough, when this listener sent this in,
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it really kind of took me back because it has
to do with Ireland. It has to do within the
city of Dublin at this castle. I've been there, I
have had relatives visit there. I had a friend who
lived in Ireland for quite some time. I have never
heard this story. No, when I was there, it was
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never brought up, and now I know why.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yeah, it was kind of one of those things. When
I first came up, I'm like, how could this happen,
and there's not a lot more about it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I would think there would be a movie about this, some.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Books Unsolved Mysteries. I mean, I think I've watched every
Unsolved Mysteries episode and I've never heard of this.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
No, it is wild. So sit back because we're going
to take you on a trip here. And I do
believe that this does have modern day implications, a lot
of them, actually, yes, So as we unravel this story today,
when we get to the end, we're going to bring
it into more modern focus. I'll say, with how these
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people operated what they did, and you'll see that a
lot of it has never changed. In fact, it seems
like a formula they use over and over and over again.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Well if it's not, bro what we're.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Going to talk about today primarily is the disappearance of
the theft of these Irish Crown jewels. And you've never
heard of it. I'd never heard of it. And if
you have, you're a way better historian than me. And
I love history, and I've never run across this.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I mean, and so do I. I mean that's you know,
a lot of my midweeks are historical things. That's why
this was when it came up and I researched it.
I'm like, how has this never even been a blip
on our radio? There's never been. I've never gone down
rabbit hole, because that's usually how you do. You go
down rabbit hole and you find these things. This has
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never even popped up.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
No, so big thanks to our listener who sent this in,
because this was a fun rabbit hole to go down
and open my eyes to a lot of things I
had never known about.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, which is one of the reasons why, you know,
we always tell you guys send us up, because stuff
that you think we may have heard of, sometimes we haven't.
There's some weird rabbit holes out there that and those
sometimes are my favorite.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah. So today we're going to start actually before these
crown jewels, and we'll explain what they are and how
they came to be in a moment. But we have
to go back a little over twenty years or so
to a scandal that happened at the Dublin Castle which
absolutely rocked Ireland.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
You know, by today's standards, most people will be like, well,
what was the big deal? But you got to go
back to eighteen eighty four and a scandal arose that
involved at least twelve men who were running homosexual brothels
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throughout Dublin and other parts of Ireland. It was a
massive underground just a gay scene, yes, and it involved
a lot of people who were in high society, police detectives,
civil servants, British Army captains and more. There were middle
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class bank clerks, Trinity College graduates right down to young
male prostitutes, under age people they called the lowest class
of life. So during this time most people did not
know this was happening. A lot of these men were
married and they were in high standing in society.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
For instance, you had the detective director of the Royal
Irish Constablary, you had the secretary for the General Post Office.
These are all people who were busted. You had a
guy named Cornwall who was nicknamed the Duchess. And I
mean I could keep going down the list, bank clerks,
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guys who owned businesses, all kinds of stuff, and some
of this was going down in what is known as
the Dublin Castle. So why is this important and why
are we bringing it up? And it's a whole nother
rabbit hole that you can go down. It's interesting, but
it's not. There's no secrets about it. Like it happened,
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It rocked Ireland and it exposed a lot of what
was going on I'll just say in the underground.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yes, and there was a lot of buggery going on.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That was my suppose, that was my favorite. Just a
side note. Yes, these individuals when they would go to trial,
they would either be charged with attempted buggery or buggery
which was their term for gay activity. You know, they
called them perverts and all kinds of stuff. The other
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one was conspiracy to corrupt young men.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So yeah, which I mean in some of these cases
that there is a lot of proof that a lot
of the quote unquote prostitutes were very young.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
They were under a reason. Yes, they were street urchins.
Some of them actually came out of the orphanages. It
was bad. It was a bad scene. I mean, I'm
not trying to make light of it, but just again,
by today's standards, you know, we have bathhouses in probably
in every major city and they're like to be gay
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and to be in a big city is no big deal.
But it's not at this time. I you know, Catholic
run Ireland and these are all men of upstanding and
supposedly moral aptitude. It didn't turn out to be that way.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
No, I mean you ran into a lot of that.
That's one thing a lot of people forget. I mean,
it was kind of a wink wink, nudge nudge thing
in private. But when you start having bathhouses and stuff
like that, that's usually when you know, people started getting
involved in getting you in trouble.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, So that brings us to what we actually want
to talk about today. So we're just gonna set that aside.
Remember that that happened, because it does come into play.
Remember there's a lot of people involved in that, and
a lot of people who did not get busted but
were participants. Yes, And that's going to lead us into
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our next and what we really want to talk about.
These crown jewels. So the crown jewels of Ireland are
they're not really from Ireland.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
They're not even really crown jewels. It's not like like
we When I thought of it, I thought immediately of
like the English crown jewels, where you've got you know,
the the whatever, the crown with jewels on it that
the king wears.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
That's exactly what I was thinking. This is not what
it is.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
No, the crown jewels were definitely not the equivalent to
the English Crown jewels. In fact, they weren't on a
crown at all. No, a lot of descriptions. There were
a regalia or insignia of the Order of Saint Patrick.
I didn't even know that existed, but apparently it does.
And I've actually seen the the lineup of this order,
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like their helmets and their shields and so forth. But
there was no marker that I saw that said, hey,
this was the Order of Saint Patrick.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
No. No, but I think after all this happened, I
think that's why, once we get more into this and
talk about what happened, I think that's why we've never
heard of that order, because I think they just kind
of swept it all under the rock.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, according to this. The Order of say Patrick was
a chivalric order founded by the government in seventeen eighty three,
designed to be the Irish counterpart of the British Order
of the Garter and equally a source of honor and patronage.
The first grand Master was the third Earl Temple, who
was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland and the prime mover in
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founding the Order. So in eighteen thirty one, by the
order of King William the Fourth they were given these
jewels and they were made up of actual diamonds and
silver and all this stuff from diamonds and stuff that
belonged to Queen Charlotte. And they were quite amazing. There
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were Brazilian diamonds, emeralds, rubies, and they're beautiful to behold,
there's no doubt about it. And they were worth a
ton of money then and by current day standards, I've
seen anywhere from twenty to fifty million, possibly more. And
then of course historical significance, they're priceless. Yes, according to
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this the membership of the Order, these knights, they were
charged with protecting these things, and they were only to
be warned by the Lord Lieutenant as Grand Master on
formal occasions. Other than that they were to be locked
up remain kept safe. So in nineteen o five the
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statutes or the rules of the Order of Saint Patrick
were revised and it was ordered that these jewels were
to be deposited in a steel safe in the strong
room of the Office of Arms, and the Office of
Arms was located in the Dublin Castle. Not only was
not only were these in a safe, it was the
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headquarters of the local police department, and a lot of
military officials were housed there and used it as so
it was like supposedly the safest place in all of Dublin.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yes, definitely the safest place in all of Dublin. So
have a big old safe made, right.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So they had a big old safe. But hey, you know,
they didn't do the measurements, so they could not They
brought this safe over and they couldn't put it in
the room, so they just moved it into a different
room and left it there. Now, when we think of
a safe, we think of one with the dial and everything. No,
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this was, you know, nineteen oh seven. You had to
have a series of keys. You had to have two
keys to open this thing up. And part of the
deal was is these two keys were never supposed to
be really with the same person at the same time.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
No, they're supposed to be separated.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
This enters in a guy named Vickers. His name was
Sir Arthur Vickers. He was the Ulster King of Arms
and he was charged with basically being the caretaker of
these things. He was kind of the night watchman guy
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and a little bit about Sir Arthur Vickers. He was,
by all accounts, a very noble person. For most of
his life, he rose up through the ranks. He was
kind of at the point he had kind of reached
the peak of where he was going to be. He
was comfortable. I'll just say this. He had a cushy
job and he did love to drink.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So you're upstairs in the Dublin Castle. You have access
to these jewels. They're in a room, they're in a safe.
You're the only one there. What's going to happen? You
got the cops down below. You have military coming in
and out all day and night. What's the harm of
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showing them off here or there? Yeah, So he would
have parties and he would get drunk, he'd get smashed
with his buddies, and he'd pull him out and let
him you look at him, let him touch him, and
walk around with him. It was not uncommon for him
to basically lay them out and you know, let people
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just go in and look at him.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, it wasn't uncommon for him to wear them. Plus,
from most of the things that I read, he was
a lush and a light drink, A lightweight.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
If you see pictures of him, I can believe it.
He was not a i'll say healthy looking man as
far as he was pretty skinny, he was kind of gaunt.
But there was a lot of people in Ireland because
you know, they there wasn't a lot to eat over there.
There was a lot to going on. But anyway, the
last time that all these jewels were seen in the
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safe was on June eleventh of nineteen oh seven, when
Vickers showed him to a guy named John Crawford Hodson,
the librarian of the Duke of Northumberland. And after that
they were never seen again. But before we get to that,
there was a prank. I'll call it a prank. Nobody
really knows if it was a prank or if it
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was a a sign or something. Again, he would show
these off. Well, one time they did go missing, but
they were only missing for a matter of hours because
he was passed out and these guys took them and
he freaked out and he didn't want to tell anybody, obviously,
and the next morning they showed up on his desk.
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He wrote it off as kind of a prank. My
buddies took them. They thought it was funny. Maybe that'll
teach me a lesson. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
And see I heard, and that's the thing. This is
where you always get these fads, especially with things this old.
I heard two different stories. I heard that version and
then I also heard a version where they actually took
them and then mailed them back to him.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
See I didn't run. I didn't run across that, but
it doesn't it wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, I ran across it in like two different places
where they talked about like that they sent them back.
But you never know because it's like you know the
last episode that I just did where they kept talking
about how he was a green brain and he wasn't.
So it's one of those things that sometimes a certain
piece gets into a story and then it sticks. So,
like I said, i'd heard both versions.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Can you imagine the panic that he was feeling. Yeah,
knowing these things were gone, whether it was once, twice
or whatever, he was completely freaking out.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
On June eleventh, nineteen oh seven, the Vicars showed these
to John Crawford, and then on the morning of the
third of July, there was a strange occurrence where this
missus Farrell, who was the office cleaner, found the interest
door unlocked and told William Steivey, the messenger who was
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informing Vickers, like, hey, the door's unlocked.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
That is another one where I heard two different versions.
I heard one door was unlocked and another that the
door was locked but the keys were in.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
It, right, I have heard both of those as well.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, that he was so drunk and that it wasn't
it wasn't an uncommon occurrence, that it had happened multiple
times where the cleaning lady would find the keys in
the lock.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So this missus Farrell had told this guy William Stivey
about this. So Stivey then goes and tells Vickers. I
know there's a lot of names here, but Vickers is
the main one you need to know about. Vickers gave
Stivey the key of the safe and a box containing
the collar of a deceased night asking him to deposit
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it in the safe. And according to all accounts, this
was unusual as up to this point he had never
given the key to this Stivey, he had only done
it himself or you know, after hours, let his buddies
do this, you know, open this up. So when Stivey
opens the safe door he gave me informs Vickers that
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they're all gone. All the jewels are gone, including a
bunch of diamonds that belonged to vickers mom who and
he was storing them in there. Nobody knows why. But
here's the crazy thing. The safe lock had not been
tampered with. There was no forcible entry. They'd been opened
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with a key, and there were people that had come
and gone multiple times in and out of the building,
and nobody appeared to recognize or identify anybody as being
unusual that had come in. So boom, they're gone, and
nobody knows how they're gone because there's no window broken.
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It wasn't like they drilled into the safe. They opened
it with keys. They walked in, they walked out. That
was it. Yeah, you're like, what do you guys like,
where are you guys going with this? We're talking about
a jewel thief here. Well, during this time in England,
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Queen Victoria had been reigning. And if you don't know
about Queen Victoria, do some history. But yeah, her son
who was King Edward the seventh, he was about to
come visit Ireland. He had just taken over. She had died,
He had just taken over, and he was coming to
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Ireland and he was going to do a bunch of
ceremonies sort of this. Hey, i'm the King, you're still
my loyal subjects, and we're going to go through all this,
you know, rigamarole, And one of the ceremonies involved these jewels.
They had to wear the jewels. Well the jewels aren't there,
and he's pissed. Oh yeah, So he wants to know
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exactly what's going on. The Dublin police do a i'll
just say a cursory investigation. It's not going anywhere. So
King Edward calls Scotland Yard and sends one of their
best guys to Dublin in advance of him to figure
this all out, because King Edward's supposed to show up
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in like four days. So the guy from Scotland Yard
shows up and he is investigating this whole thing, and
by all accounts, by pretty much every historian, by anybody
who wrote anything about it, he figured it out, this
guy from Scotland Yard, but they locked away his report
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and so to this day nobody knows what happened. It
remains a mystery So that's the story. But here's where
we're going to divert a little bit because there's a
lot of theories behind this story, and one of them
goes right back to the Dublin Castle scandal.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yep, there's always scandal.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Some of the theories are that Vickers took it. Now, Vickers,
he got screwed in this entire thing. Yeah, most people
by now do not believe Vickers took these No, but
they needed a fall guy, and Vickers became that guy.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Which is what we see a lot and a lot
of these things where all of a sudden it's like, oh, hey,
we need somebody to take the fall for this. Yeah,
it's gonna be these.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Guys, right, But they don't have anything on him. They
have nothing on him, no proof, no motive, I mean
motive obviously money and stuff. But he's a drunk and
he you know, they all knew where he was. They
can't find him their ransackedice place. So what do you do?
You make up stuff? So they all started whispering around
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Dublin that he was gay, and this is significant because
that's what destroyed him. They relieved him of his job.
He was shamed, he had to go to the other
part of Ireland and live with some relatives in a
room for years because nobody would talk to him. He was,
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you know, persona non grata. He did eventually get married,
and he was bitter to the very end. I read
his last will and testament and he did not let
this go. And he believes he knows what happened and
how it happened, and he's probably right. But they couldn't.
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And when I say they, I mean the royal family.
They could not allow what probably happened to get out.
So what may have happened? All right? Vickers had a
roommate and his name was Shackleton. Shackleton was a very
good looking guy. He was a military guy. Her other
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was a very famous explorer. Yes, so he pretty much
had carte blanche to roll around the town because his
brother was the toast of everybody. He was a decorated
military guy and everybody said he was good looking, and
he was quite the playboy.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And an eternal bachelor, and he was a forever bachelor.
Well tent wink wink, nudgs nuge no, I mean no,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So, this Shackleton character was very well known in the bathhouses,
going back to that scandal, very well known to lots
of them, not just one here or there. Shackleton had
a gay lover or a boyfriend, or just a hookup
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where nobody's quite sure. Who was a wild man, like
a crazy guy in the military. He could care less
about life or anybody. So as we say, yeah, there
were two sets of keys, and there were two sets
of the two keys that housed these jewels, and Vickers
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kept one of the pair at their flat or their
house wherever they were living. So now all the attention
goes to Shackleton. Did Shackleton take these keys? Is he
the one? Because he could walk in and out with
his military garb, nobody was going to question him, what
are you doing here? He was there a lot, so
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it had to be Shackleton, right, He had all the
access and he was in massive debt. Plus he had
a huge secret that he was running from and if
it ever broke out, he was gonna have to leave Ireland.
But there's a problem there. Shackleton was not around. He
wasn't even in Dublin at the time it happened.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Good alibi is the best way out.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
But we don't know when these keys, you know, were
missing from Vicker's place. It could have been a month,
It could have been a week, It could have been
who knows how long, because as we said, he was
a drunk. He had one in his desk, he kept
one with him and the other two were just backups,
so it was not like he checked him every day.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
True. And the other thing was with the jewels. How
when when it was realized that they were missing, they'd
been missed. The last thing they had been seen had
been a while, So when they were taken is still
in question, whether in what I think a three week window.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yes, so it could have been. It didn't necessarily have
to happen the night before they found them. It could
have happened days before. So anyway, this Shackleton character, here's
what they believe happened. And I think most historians have
fallen into this category. Although there's some other theories about
the cleaning lady possibly or there were some other people
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who had opportunity, but they never ever showed any signs
of having cashed these diamonds in their family down the line,
didn't seem to become crazily rich all of a sudden.
So here's what they believe happened. That Shackleton is the
mastermind of this, and that he got this crazy buddy
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of his to actually go do it while he was
out of town. Now there's some modern investigators who have
you know, people been looking into this for years because
all the records are sealed up. But there were two
individuals who the day after they found this out, who
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were connected to Shackleton and this other guy. They got
on a train to Amsterdam, and this is where most
people believe that the diamonds ended up. That they were
busted up or broken up and individualized, taken somewhere else,
probably Amsterdam, and they were all sold, all the rubies,
the diamonds, and they're all gone. That's the common theory.
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And it's probably correct.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
That they were sold separately because something like this would
have been too obvious.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, who's gonna wear it? You couldn't wear.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
It to sell as one piece.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Right, that's pretty common knowledge. And I think most historians
and everybody agree that it's not like they're hidden somewhere
and they may be discovered at some point. Nobody's out
looking for them. Everybody's pretty much in agreement that they
were individualized and sold off in pieces. So why is
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this important. Well, they started looking into Shackleton, and you know,
obviously he had some alibis. But it goes way deeper
than that. Let's go back to the Scotland Yard character.
This individual who came from Scotland Yard, who everybody believes
figured this out pretty quickly, and Rhoda's report. Why did
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they squash his report? Why did they seel it up?
And nobody has ever seen it since and it was
only shown to I believe, the King and one other person.
And of course when the King showed up in Ireland,
he pretended to be quite upset. He made some remarks
about it, and they destroyed Vickers. It was this big hubbub.
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Here's really what happened, or what they think happened. Shackleton,
who was known around the bathhouses, and this other guy
who was his friend, were playthings for the King's brother
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in law, who was the Duke of Argyle, who was
very well known through a friendship with a prominent social
figure named Lord Ronald Gower. And this of course goes
right back to the royal family. The Duke of Argyle
is married to King Edward the Seventh's sister and the
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Duke of Argyle. Obviously this is just for show, because
he's quite the homosexual. And again I don't care. I'm
just saying this is where he hooked up with Shackleton
and all these other characters. So of course the King
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can't let this out because the royals at the time
of the Dublin Castle scandal made a big deal about
how awful that was, and oh yeah, those Irish, you know,
they're like that, and this show's their true character. And
they were very above it, we'll say, very high society.
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So this Frank Shackleton, they did eventually get him, but
not on these charges. He was a frauster all around,
which is why everybody's pretty sure he did it. He
defrauded lots of people, and he owed a bunch of
people money. He wrote hot check. He he would sell
like fake stocks and all kinds of stuff. And his
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friend was this guy named Richard George's or Gorge's is
g R G E. S. And like I said, he
was crazy. He shot Detective Constable Arthur Young on July fourteenth,
nineteen fifteen, went to jail for ten to twelve years.
In nineteen forty one, he was arrested again for stealing
clothes and writing worthless checks and so forth. And in
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January nineteen forty four he was killed after being run
over by a train in the London Underground. A lot
of people say he got pushed.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
It's always good.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
We don't know that. Shackleton basically went to jail as well,
but it was on other things and he died in
June of nineteen forty one, so he didn't live that
long either. The saddest of these was Sir Arthur Vickers
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because in the twenties there was a lot of problems
going on in Ireland and there was a battle going on,
big battle raging and in the middle of this battle,
he's living in County Kerry and some guys all dressed
all in black just show up at his house. Nobody
(32:21):
knows who they're with. Apparently people say they were with
the IRA, but nobody really knows. And they pull him
out of the house with his wife. They torch his
house and they shoot him right in front of her. Yeah,
which a lot of people believe that was a hit
put onto him by the King. Again, we don't know that,
(32:44):
but that's the suspicion. There's also a theory that these
jewels were stolen by the Irish Republican Brotherhood. At one
point they were blamed on some Unionist criminals. A guy
named Lord Haddou, the son of Lord Lieutenant, was alleged
by some newspapers have been involved in the theft. Nobody
(33:06):
really knows. On November twenty third, nineteen twelve, the London
Mail alleged Vickers had allowed a woman reported to be
his mistress to obtain a copy of the key to
the safe and that she had fled to Paris with
the jewels. So again they're picking on Vickers. But in
July nineteen thirteen, Vickers sues the paper for libel and
(33:28):
the paper had to admit that the story was completely
baseless and that the woman in question did not even exist,
and Vickers was awarded five thousand pounds in damages. In
nineteen twenty seven, there was a memo of the Executive
Council of the Irish Free State and this was released
in the seventies where somebody named W. T. Cosgrove quote
(33:51):
understands that the Castle jewels are for sale and that
they could be got for two or three thousand pounds. However,
it has been suggested that this is a misunderstanding the
memorandum having resulted from a communication to Cosgrove from a
Dublin jeweler. This guy jeweler's name was James Weldon, who
had been theoretically offered the jewels by a man fitting
(34:13):
the description of Frank Shackleton in nineteen oh eight. So
again it's never been salved where these jewels are who
actually took them. But what we do know, going back
to the scandal of the Dublin Castle with all the bathhouses,
it bled through this with the missing jewels and led
(34:36):
right up to the royal family and all along the way.
Here's the pattern. Here's what we need to be aware of. Vickers,
who really had very little to do with it other
than he was careless with the keys and he probably
allowed it to happen, but he wasn't in on it.
(34:58):
They had to have a fall guy. So what do
they accuse him of? The very thing they're all guilty.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Of, which is normal. I mean, it's one of those
things that you see all the time using when someone's
pointing a finger, it means that they're doing it themselves.
It's like they say in relationshsp all the time. If
you have one person in relationship saying accusing the other
one of cheating constantly. It using means that they're the cheater.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Well, and I find it interesting that rather than take
him to trial or build a case or anything, no,
they destroyed his character and then fired him because he
wasn't gonna go. He was like, I'm not leaving, I
didn't do it, and arrest me or whatever, and they
(35:41):
just said, no, you're out. They let him go, and
they disgraced him and they sent him off. When the
real story whether Shackleton stole them himself, had his friend
do it, or they didn't do it at all, The
reality is all these subsequent care who were shady, has
(36:03):
nothing to do with him being gay, but they were
super shady. We're all involved in these bathhouses, and they
were all hooked to the Duke of our Gyle, who's
the brother in law of the king, and he cannot
let this out again. Go back. If you don't know
anything about the Victorian era, this would have destroyed the
(36:24):
royal family.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yes, it would have for that to get out, even
though most time people knew about these things and they
were kind of just hush hush, Like I said, wink wink, nudge, nudge.
You know they knew, but you didn't talk about it.
You didn't let that come out.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Right in the inner circle. Of course, they talked about it.
Oh yeah, you know. I'm sure everybody knew. Our gyle's
wife knew. I'm sure the king knew. I'm sure the
Queen knew. It's just one of those things. Hey, we're
not going to talk about it. Just don't get caught.
It's the same thing, if you know the Jimmy Savills story,
who was had full access to the castle, was good
(37:07):
friends of the queen, entertained them all the time, hung
out with the royals. Same thing with Epstein, same thing
with the guy from Canada that I just did the
show on. All royals, all hooked up to the castle,
all involved in these crazy sex scandals, underage scandals, and
(37:33):
you just have to wonder, why do people admire them,
and how do they keep getting away with all of
this stuff and nobody holds their feet to the fire.
And what really appalls me is how they and they
are the elites. They are one of the elite families,
and they are part of the elites. When we talk
about the elites or the Illuminati or whatever they're part
(37:54):
of it, how they use persuasion and act usations and
character assassination to destroy people, And they could care less
as long as their name is not sullied, as long
as their name isn't dragged through the mud, as long
as they're not held responsible for any of their actions.
(38:16):
They don't care what happens to any of these lesser people.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Of course not, because it's always been You see this
with the royals, and now you see it with you know, celebrities.
It's not about how you think or about everything else.
It's what the public thinks. So as long as you
make sure the public opinion is the way you want
it to be and is in the right, then you're good.
(38:43):
Doesn't matter what kind of person you really are. It's
just as long as the public opinion thinks that you're amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, And if you can control the press and you
can control those who are talking, and you can control
everyone around, whether it be through coercion, through paying them off.
Because we really don't know what happened to this top
detective who came from Scotland yard who wrote the report.
The report's been sealed up, never been let out, and
(39:13):
We really don't know what happened to him. He sort
of just went off into historical obscurity. Did they pay
him off, did they threaten him? Did they say, thanks,
good job, that's it for you. You're done. Don't say anymore.
He never gave an interview to a newspaper as far
as I know, I couldn't find one.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
I think either.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I think he just got shut down.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
He kind of disappeared and then was disappeared.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Some people believe that this was done on purpose, and
this was quote from a person who wrote a big
article on this. One of the conclusions they came to,
after going through all of this stuff and studying this
for a long time, was that whoever did it, whether
it was Vickars, whether it was Shackleton, whoever did it,
(40:05):
what they were really trying to show was that the
British were evil and wicked because apparently these Dublin Castle
knightly Orgies, which there were several prominent government officials and
military people and royals, they would come in and belittle
everybody and they were above everything. You know, we hear
(40:28):
this all the time, no one's above the law. Well
they were. They were the law, and they were doing
whatever they could. So there is a theory out there
that somebody was doing this or did this to actually
expose because it didn't take a whole lot of inspection
an investigation to get to the sea. To your side
(40:53):
of the story, I'll say, yeah, And so some people
were like, Hey, Victoria's dead and she made life miserable
for everybody, and they're super massive hypocrites, so we're gonna
do this to expose that, And so I think that's
more of I'll say the Irish side of the story, like, oh,
we actually did it on purpose because we were trying
(41:13):
to expose, you know, how terrible they were. But nobody
really knows, but we do know it's a pattern. We
do know this is a pattern that has emerged throughout
history and it continues to this day because if you
just look at all these crazy seedy things. Even Mark
(41:34):
Dutroux was linked to royals. So you have all these
Cretans who are providing you know, underage girls, underage guys,
massive sex parties and all these crazy things, and the
royals are involved. And it's not just the royals, it
was the elite of society. And then at the same
(41:55):
time they're going to cast dispersions and judgment on everybody
as to just how you know, how elevated they are,
how great they are, and everybody else are just lesser
humans when they're acting like animals for the most part.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
And they're being held to no accountability and being you know,
everybody's supposed to worship them and tell them how great
they are, which I think is kind of funny that
we just had. You know, we've gone through these series
of what the no King's protests, which whatever, I'm all
for everybody. If you want to have something to say,
you want to go stand on a corner and hold
a sign and protest, that's whatever. I'm I will fight
(42:30):
for your right to do that, even if I disagree
with you. But this idea of no kings, well, we've
had kings since the dawn of time. We don't have
one here in America. And I just go back to
the you know, the Monty Python search for Holy Grail
where the king's clopping along and he comes across those
(42:50):
peasants and he says, they say, who are you? He says,
I'm the King of England. The guy goes, I didn't
vote for you, and you don't vote for kings. Yeah,
but in this realm, the king is able to shut
this stuff down. So again, I'm sure it happens. And
(43:11):
we know what happens in US politics, whether you have
a king, a president, a governor, the chief of police,
whoever it is, we know what happens. That's why it's
so important to understand what's really going on in the story.
The story is really not the jewels. Missing. The story
is how they covered up the characters involved in the
(43:34):
story and just swept it aside. They didn't care really
about the value of these they didn't really care about
the significance. Nobody went searching for them. They shut it down,
and then they destroyed people in the wake of all
of this. And we see this all the time today.
That's why it's so hard to talk to somebody who
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doesn't know history.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
And this is why we have to, like, we keep
mentioning this. It's been kind of a thing that you know,
and it's gonna be a thing forever because it's something
that's just gonna always matter. If we don't learn from
our history, we repeat it. And that's one of the
things that we keep seeing. We keep seeing the history repeating.
But then when you point it out to people, they're like,
I've never heard of that. That's why.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, Before we wrap it up, I just want to
say I did read through this vickers last will and testament.
Like I said, this guy carried this burden, shame, double
cross by the crown and everybody in his country. I mean,
he carried this shame to the end. And in his
(44:48):
last will and testament he wrote out this entire thing,
and I thought it was quite sad because he couldn't
shake it. And here's what he said in this last
will and testament. This is the part of it. He says, quote,
I might have had more to dispose of had it
not been for the outrageous way in which I was
treated by the Irish government over the loss of the
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Irish Crown jewels. My whole life and work was ruined
by this cruel misfortune. And that's basically how he felt,
because for a long time everybody just assumed it was
him and that he was gay, and that he obviously
he was a drunk, even he admitted that. But at
(45:33):
the same time, if he didn't do it, he didn't
do it. And this other guy, Shackleton, who was most
likely involved pretty much got off scott free. I mean, yeah,
he went to jail for you know, other things, but
they didn't want to touch him. They didn't want to
interview him, they didn't want him talking because he had
(45:54):
all the secrets on the muckety MUCKs all the way
up to the Royal family.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
And that's it. It all comes down to clearing their
name and making the royals and the higher ups seem
and appear just and religious and righteous.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
There are people who I think the Royal family, especially
the Queen Mother. I know there's a king now, but
he hasn't really done much. I think he's a dangerous
globalist and part of the one world system plan, and
I think I can prove that. But there are a
lot of people who just can't get enough of the
(46:39):
Royal family. They can't do anything wrong, they're just amazing.
There are God's gift to the planet and so forth.
And look, I'm sure there were good people in the
extended Royal family. I'm sure there are even worse people
that we don't know about in the Royal family. But
the idea of controlling the narrative, destroying anybody who dares
(47:01):
threaten it and keeping all of your dirty little secrets
and sometimes really big dirty secrets from the public view.
To me, I just wonder what else was going on,
what else was going on behind the castle walls, especially
when you just draw the timeline to a lot of
(47:24):
really awful people who have been linked to the castle
and the dirty deeds they did, and they didn't have
any problem hanging out with them. And the only time
they started distancing themselves was when the you know, the
news broke about Epstein or about Savile or about any
(47:44):
of these other characters. Then they're like, oh, we had
no clue.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
Come on, there's no way, Yeah, no way.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
So anyway, that's our Halloween show. Pretty scary.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Huh, Yeah, it actually is.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I think it is. It's scares me. You get caught
up in the wrong thing and you could have your
entire life just blown up by accusations and lies spread about.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
You, which we see now. It's one of those things.
If someone's able to control the narrative, they can make
the public which, like we said, everything to them is
the public eye, what is the public image? If they
can ruin you, which we see it now with the
cancel culture, they can ruin you in the public eye.
You're done.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
They don't think twice about it.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
So all right, well I have the midweek and we'll
be maybe going into the digital ID that's being forced
down everybody's throat. I'm not sure yet. I do know
that that's on my docket of things to talk about,
so it'll be that or something similar to that. But
in the meantime, again, thanks to our listener for this topic.
(48:56):
I thought it was fascinating and I learned so much time.
If I get back to Ireland, can't wait to go
to the Dublin Castle and just walk in there. Hey,
can I see the Crown Jewels see what their response is?
Speaker 4 (49:08):
But definitely shoit asks.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, I definitely will. All right, email us down the
rh at ProtonMail dot com and big thanks to our
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We're out of here.
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See later.
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I'm Big D and I'm Brandon.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's great to have everybody along once again. Hey, we
all know that this is the coming weekend of Halloween,
and traditionally we would do some sort of spooky or
scary or look into something that was you know, I
guess a little a little more on the darker side,
but everybody's doing that.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yeah, And we've done multiples of him now and it's
just kind of one of those things that you know,
we've covered most We kept thinking of things to do
and we're like we've covered most of those things.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
So yeah, so if you really need a fix of
the dark Side or whatever it is, you can go
back into our archives and look at or listen to
older Halloween shows. Or again, everybody's doing a Halloween episode,
so you have our permission to go listen to other
podcasts because we're not doing one today.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
No, we're not. We've done enough. I mean, we've covered
all of them.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I do want to remind you. You can email us at
down the Rhat ProtonMail dot com. Down the Rhat ProtonMail
dot com. And this is where we got today's episode
from a listener sent in something that is extremely fascinating
I think, and oddly enough, when this listener sent this in,
(02:51):
it really kind of took me back because it has
to do with Ireland. It has to do within the
city of Dublin at this castle. I've been there, I
have had relatives visit there. I had a friend who
lived in Ireland for quite some time. I have never
heard this story. No, when I was there, it was
(03:14):
never brought up, and now I know why.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yeah, it was kind of one of those things. When
I first came up, I'm like, how could this happen,
and there's not a lot more about it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I would think there would be a movie about this, some.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Books Unsolved Mysteries. I mean, I think I've watched every
Unsolved Mysteries episode and I've never heard of this.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
No, it is wild. So sit back because we're going
to take you on a trip here. And I do
believe that this does have modern day implications, a lot
of them, actually, yes, So as we unravel this story today,
when we get to the end, we're going to bring
it into more modern focus. I'll say, with how these
(04:02):
people operated what they did, and you'll see that a
lot of it has never changed. In fact, it seems
like a formula they use over and over and over again.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Well if it's not, bro what we're.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Going to talk about today primarily is the disappearance of
the theft of these Irish Crown jewels. And you've never
heard of it. I'd never heard of it. And if
you have, you're a way better historian than me. And
I love history, and I've never run across this.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I mean, and so do I. I mean that's you know,
a lot of my midweeks are historical things. That's why
this was when it came up and I researched it.
I'm like, how has this never even been a blip
on our radio? There's never been. I've never gone down
rabbit hole, because that's usually how you do. You go
down rabbit hole and you find these things. This has
(04:54):
never even popped up.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
No, so big thanks to our listener who sent this in,
because this was a fun rabbit hole to go down
and open my eyes to a lot of things I
had never known about.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, which is one of the reasons why, you know,
we always tell you guys send us up, because stuff
that you think we may have heard of, sometimes we haven't.
There's some weird rabbit holes out there that and those
sometimes are my favorite.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah. So today we're going to start actually before these
crown jewels, and we'll explain what they are and how
they came to be in a moment. But we have
to go back a little over twenty years or so
to a scandal that happened at the Dublin Castle which
absolutely rocked Ireland.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
You know, by today's standards, most people will be like, well,
what was the big deal? But you got to go
back to eighteen eighty four and a scandal arose that
involved at least twelve men who were running homosexual brothels
(06:06):
throughout Dublin and other parts of Ireland. It was a
massive underground just a gay scene, yes, and it involved
a lot of people who were in high society, police detectives,
civil servants, British Army captains and more. There were middle
(06:27):
class bank clerks, Trinity College graduates right down to young
male prostitutes, under age people they called the lowest class
of life. So during this time most people did not
know this was happening. A lot of these men were
married and they were in high standing in society.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
For instance, you had the detective director of the Royal
Irish Constablary, you had the secretary for the General Post Office.
These are all people who were busted. You had a
guy named Cornwall who was nicknamed the Duchess. And I
mean I could keep going down the list, bank clerks,
(07:15):
guys who owned businesses, all kinds of stuff, and some
of this was going down in what is known as
the Dublin Castle. So why is this important and why
are we bringing it up? And it's a whole nother
rabbit hole that you can go down. It's interesting, but
it's not. There's no secrets about it. Like it happened,
(07:40):
It rocked Ireland and it exposed a lot of what
was going on I'll just say in the underground.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yes, and there was a lot of buggery going on.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That was my suppose, that was my favorite. Just a
side note. Yes, these individuals when they would go to trial,
they would either be charged with attempted buggery or buggery
which was their term for gay activity. You know, they
called them perverts and all kinds of stuff. The other
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one was conspiracy to corrupt young men.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So yeah, which I mean in some of these cases
that there is a lot of proof that a lot
of the quote unquote prostitutes were very young.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
They were under a reason. Yes, they were street urchins.
Some of them actually came out of the orphanages. It
was bad. It was a bad scene. I mean, I'm
not trying to make light of it, but just again,
by today's standards, you know, we have bathhouses in probably
in every major city and they're like to be gay
(08:45):
and to be in a big city is no big deal.
But it's not at this time. I you know, Catholic
run Ireland and these are all men of upstanding and
supposedly moral aptitude. It didn't turn out to be that way.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
No, I mean you ran into a lot of that.
That's one thing a lot of people forget. I mean,
it was kind of a wink wink, nudge nudge thing
in private. But when you start having bathhouses and stuff
like that, that's usually when you know, people started getting
involved in getting you in trouble.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, So that brings us to what we actually want
to talk about today. So we're just gonna set that aside.
Remember that that happened, because it does come into play.
Remember there's a lot of people involved in that, and
a lot of people who did not get busted but
were participants. Yes, And that's going to lead us into
(09:40):
our next and what we really want to talk about.
These crown jewels. So the crown jewels of Ireland are
they're not really from Ireland.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
They're not even really crown jewels. It's not like like
we When I thought of it, I thought immediately of
like the English crown jewels, where you've got you know,
the the whatever, the crown with jewels on it that
the king wears.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
That's exactly what I was thinking. This is not what
it is.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
No, the crown jewels were definitely not the equivalent to
the English Crown jewels. In fact, they weren't on a
crown at all. No, a lot of descriptions. There were
a regalia or insignia of the Order of Saint Patrick.
I didn't even know that existed, but apparently it does.
And I've actually seen the the lineup of this order,
(10:32):
like their helmets and their shields and so forth. But
there was no marker that I saw that said, hey,
this was the Order of Saint Patrick.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
No. No, but I think after all this happened, I
think that's why, once we get more into this and
talk about what happened, I think that's why we've never
heard of that order, because I think they just kind
of swept it all under the rock.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, according to this. The Order of say Patrick was
a chivalric order founded by the government in seventeen eighty three,
designed to be the Irish counterpart of the British Order
of the Garter and equally a source of honor and patronage.
The first grand Master was the third Earl Temple, who
was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland and the prime mover in
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founding the Order. So in eighteen thirty one, by the
order of King William the Fourth they were given these
jewels and they were made up of actual diamonds and
silver and all this stuff from diamonds and stuff that
belonged to Queen Charlotte. And they were quite amazing. There
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were Brazilian diamonds, emeralds, rubies, and they're beautiful to behold,
there's no doubt about it. And they were worth a
ton of money then and by current day standards, I've
seen anywhere from twenty to fifty million, possibly more. And
then of course historical significance, they're priceless. Yes, according to
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this the membership of the Order, these knights, they were
charged with protecting these things, and they were only to
be warned by the Lord Lieutenant as Grand Master on
formal occasions. Other than that they were to be locked
up remain kept safe. So in nineteen o five the
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statutes or the rules of the Order of Saint Patrick
were revised and it was ordered that these jewels were
to be deposited in a steel safe in the strong
room of the Office of Arms, and the Office of
Arms was located in the Dublin Castle. Not only was
not only were these in a safe, it was the
(12:52):
headquarters of the local police department, and a lot of
military officials were housed there and used it as so
it was like supposedly the safest place in all of Dublin.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yes, definitely the safest place in all of Dublin. So
have a big old safe made, right.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So they had a big old safe. But hey, you know,
they didn't do the measurements, so they could not They
brought this safe over and they couldn't put it in
the room, so they just moved it into a different
room and left it there. Now, when we think of
a safe, we think of one with the dial and everything. No,
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this was, you know, nineteen oh seven. You had to
have a series of keys. You had to have two
keys to open this thing up. And part of the
deal was is these two keys were never supposed to
be really with the same person at the same time.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
No, they're supposed to be separated.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
This enters in a guy named Vickers. His name was
Sir Arthur Vickers. He was the Ulster King of Arms
and he was charged with basically being the caretaker of
these things. He was kind of the night watchman guy
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and a little bit about Sir Arthur Vickers. He was,
by all accounts, a very noble person. For most of
his life, he rose up through the ranks. He was
kind of at the point he had kind of reached
the peak of where he was going to be. He
was comfortable. I'll just say this. He had a cushy
job and he did love to drink.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So you're upstairs in the Dublin Castle. You have access
to these jewels. They're in a room, they're in a safe.
You're the only one there. What's going to happen? You
got the cops down below. You have military coming in
and out all day and night. What's the harm of
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showing them off here or there? Yeah, So he would
have parties and he would get drunk, he'd get smashed
with his buddies, and he'd pull him out and let
him you look at him, let him touch him, and
walk around with him. It was not uncommon for him
to basically lay them out and you know, let people
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just go in and look at him.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, it wasn't uncommon for him to wear them. Plus,
from most of the things that I read, he was
a lush and a light drink, A lightweight.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
If you see pictures of him, I can believe it.
He was not a i'll say healthy looking man as
far as he was pretty skinny, he was kind of gaunt.
But there was a lot of people in Ireland because
you know, they there wasn't a lot to eat over there.
There was a lot to going on. But anyway, the
last time that all these jewels were seen in the
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safe was on June eleventh of nineteen oh seven, when
Vickers showed him to a guy named John Crawford Hodson,
the librarian of the Duke of Northumberland. And after that
they were never seen again. But before we get to that,
there was a prank. I'll call it a prank. Nobody
really knows if it was a prank or if it
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was a a sign or something. Again, he would show
these off. Well, one time they did go missing, but
they were only missing for a matter of hours because
he was passed out and these guys took them and
he freaked out and he didn't want to tell anybody, obviously,
and the next morning they showed up on his desk.
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He wrote it off as kind of a prank. My
buddies took them. They thought it was funny. Maybe that'll
teach me a lesson. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
And see I heard, and that's the thing. This is
where you always get these fads, especially with things this old.
I heard two different stories. I heard that version and
then I also heard a version where they actually took
them and then mailed them back to him.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
See I didn't run. I didn't run across that, but
it doesn't it wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, I ran across it in like two different places
where they talked about like that they sent them back.
But you never know because it's like you know the
last episode that I just did where they kept talking
about how he was a green brain and he wasn't.
So it's one of those things that sometimes a certain
piece gets into a story and then it sticks. So,
like I said, i'd heard both versions.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Can you imagine the panic that he was feeling. Yeah,
knowing these things were gone, whether it was once, twice
or whatever, he was completely freaking out.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
On June eleventh, nineteen oh seven, the Vicars showed these
to John Crawford, and then on the morning of the
third of July, there was a strange occurrence where this
missus Farrell, who was the office cleaner, found the interest
door unlocked and told William Steivey, the messenger who was
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informing Vickers, like, hey, the door's unlocked.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
That is another one where I heard two different versions.
I heard one door was unlocked and another that the
door was locked but the keys were in.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
It, right, I have heard both of those as well.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, that he was so drunk and that it wasn't
it wasn't an uncommon occurrence, that it had happened multiple
times where the cleaning lady would find the keys in
the lock.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So this missus Farrell had told this guy William Stivey
about this. So Stivey then goes and tells Vickers. I
know there's a lot of names here, but Vickers is
the main one you need to know about. Vickers gave
Stivey the key of the safe and a box containing
the collar of a deceased night asking him to deposit
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it in the safe. And according to all accounts, this
was unusual as up to this point he had never
given the key to this Stivey, he had only done
it himself or you know, after hours, let his buddies
do this, you know, open this up. So when Stivey
opens the safe door he gave me informs Vickers that
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they're all gone. All the jewels are gone, including a
bunch of diamonds that belonged to vickers mom who and
he was storing them in there. Nobody knows why. But
here's the crazy thing. The safe lock had not been
tampered with. There was no forcible entry. They'd been opened
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with a key, and there were people that had come
and gone multiple times in and out of the building,
and nobody appeared to recognize or identify anybody as being
unusual that had come in. So boom, they're gone, and
nobody knows how they're gone because there's no window broken.
(19:45):
It wasn't like they drilled into the safe. They opened
it with keys. They walked in, they walked out. That
was it. Yeah, you're like, what do you guys like,
where are you guys going with this? We're talking about
a jewel thief here. Well, during this time in England,
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Queen Victoria had been reigning. And if you don't know
about Queen Victoria, do some history. But yeah, her son
who was King Edward the seventh, he was about to
come visit Ireland. He had just taken over. She had died,
He had just taken over, and he was coming to
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Ireland and he was going to do a bunch of
ceremonies sort of this. Hey, i'm the King, you're still
my loyal subjects, and we're going to go through all this,
you know, rigamarole, And one of the ceremonies involved these jewels.
They had to wear the jewels. Well the jewels aren't there,
and he's pissed. Oh yeah, So he wants to know
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exactly what's going on. The Dublin police do a i'll
just say a cursory investigation. It's not going anywhere. So
King Edward calls Scotland Yard and sends one of their
best guys to Dublin in advance of him to figure
this all out, because King Edward's supposed to show up
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in like four days. So the guy from Scotland Yard
shows up and he is investigating this whole thing, and
by all accounts, by pretty much every historian, by anybody
who wrote anything about it, he figured it out, this
guy from Scotland Yard, but they locked away his report
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and so to this day nobody knows what happened. It
remains a mystery So that's the story. But here's where
we're going to divert a little bit because there's a
lot of theories behind this story, and one of them
goes right back to the Dublin Castle scandal.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yep, there's always scandal.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Some of the theories are that Vickers took it. Now, Vickers,
he got screwed in this entire thing. Yeah, most people
by now do not believe Vickers took these No, but
they needed a fall guy, and Vickers became that guy.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Which is what we see a lot and a lot
of these things where all of a sudden it's like, oh, hey,
we need somebody to take the fall for this. Yeah,
it's gonna be these.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Guys, right, But they don't have anything on him. They
have nothing on him, no proof, no motive, I mean
motive obviously money and stuff. But he's a drunk and
he you know, they all knew where he was. They
can't find him their ransackedice place. So what do you do?
You make up stuff? So they all started whispering around
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Dublin that he was gay, and this is significant because
that's what destroyed him. They relieved him of his job.
He was shamed, he had to go to the other
part of Ireland and live with some relatives in a
room for years because nobody would talk to him. He was,
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you know, persona non grata. He did eventually get married,
and he was bitter to the very end. I read
his last will and testament and he did not let
this go. And he believes he knows what happened and
how it happened, and he's probably right. But they couldn't.
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And when I say they, I mean the royal family.
They could not allow what probably happened to get out.
So what may have happened? All right? Vickers had a
roommate and his name was Shackleton. Shackleton was a very
good looking guy. He was a military guy. Her other
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was a very famous explorer. Yes, so he pretty much
had carte blanche to roll around the town because his
brother was the toast of everybody. He was a decorated
military guy and everybody said he was good looking, and
he was quite the playboy.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And an eternal bachelor, and he was a forever bachelor.
Well tent wink wink, nudgs nuge no, I mean no,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So, this Shackleton character was very well known in the bathhouses,
going back to that scandal, very well known to lots
of them, not just one here or there. Shackleton had
a gay lover or a boyfriend, or just a hookup
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where nobody's quite sure. Who was a wild man, like
a crazy guy in the military. He could care less
about life or anybody. So as we say, yeah, there
were two sets of keys, and there were two sets
of the two keys that housed these jewels, and Vickers
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kept one of the pair at their flat or their
house wherever they were living. So now all the attention
goes to Shackleton. Did Shackleton take these keys? Is he
the one? Because he could walk in and out with
his military garb, nobody was going to question him, what
are you doing here? He was there a lot, so
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it had to be Shackleton, right, He had all the
access and he was in massive debt. Plus he had
a huge secret that he was running from and if
it ever broke out, he was gonna have to leave Ireland.
But there's a problem there. Shackleton was not around. He
wasn't even in Dublin at the time it happened.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Good alibi is the best way out.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
But we don't know when these keys, you know, were
missing from Vicker's place. It could have been a month,
It could have been a week, It could have been
who knows how long, because as we said, he was
a drunk. He had one in his desk, he kept
one with him and the other two were just backups,
so it was not like he checked him every day.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
True. And the other thing was with the jewels. How
when when it was realized that they were missing, they'd
been missed. The last thing they had been seen had
been a while, So when they were taken is still
in question, whether in what I think a three week window.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yes, so it could have been. It didn't necessarily have
to happen the night before they found them. It could
have happened days before. So anyway, this Shackleton character, here's
what they believe happened. And I think most historians have
fallen into this category. Although there's some other theories about
the cleaning lady possibly or there were some other people
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who had opportunity, but they never ever showed any signs
of having cashed these diamonds in their family down the line,
didn't seem to become crazily rich all of a sudden.
So here's what they believe happened. That Shackleton is the
mastermind of this, and that he got this crazy buddy
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of his to actually go do it while he was
out of town. Now there's some modern investigators who have
you know, people been looking into this for years because
all the records are sealed up. But there were two
individuals who the day after they found this out, who
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were connected to Shackleton and this other guy. They got
on a train to Amsterdam, and this is where most
people believe that the diamonds ended up. That they were
busted up or broken up and individualized, taken somewhere else,
probably Amsterdam, and they were all sold, all the rubies,
the diamonds, and they're all gone. That's the common theory.
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And it's probably correct.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
That they were sold separately because something like this would
have been too obvious.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, who's gonna wear it? You couldn't wear.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
It to sell as one piece.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Right, that's pretty common knowledge. And I think most historians
and everybody agree that it's not like they're hidden somewhere
and they may be discovered at some point. Nobody's out
looking for them. Everybody's pretty much in agreement that they
were individualized and sold off in pieces. So why is
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this important. Well, they started looking into Shackleton, and you know,
obviously he had some alibis. But it goes way deeper
than that. Let's go back to the Scotland Yard character.
This individual who came from Scotland Yard, who everybody believes
figured this out pretty quickly, and Rhoda's report. Why did
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they squash his report? Why did they seel it up?
And nobody has ever seen it since and it was
only shown to I believe, the King and one other person.
And of course when the King showed up in Ireland,
he pretended to be quite upset. He made some remarks
about it, and they destroyed Vickers. It was this big hubbub.
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Here's really what happened, or what they think happened. Shackleton,
who was known around the bathhouses, and this other guy
who was his friend, were playthings for the King's brother
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in law, who was the Duke of Argyle, who was
very well known through a friendship with a prominent social
figure named Lord Ronald Gower. And this of course goes
right back to the royal family. The Duke of Argyle
is married to King Edward the Seventh's sister and the
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Duke of Argyle. Obviously this is just for show, because
he's quite the homosexual. And again I don't care. I'm
just saying this is where he hooked up with Shackleton
and all these other characters. So of course the King
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can't let this out because the royals at the time
of the Dublin Castle scandal made a big deal about
how awful that was, and oh yeah, those Irish, you know,
they're like that, and this show's their true character. And
they were very above it, we'll say, very high society.
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So this Frank Shackleton, they did eventually get him, but
not on these charges. He was a frauster all around,
which is why everybody's pretty sure he did it. He
defrauded lots of people, and he owed a bunch of
people money. He wrote hot check. He he would sell
like fake stocks and all kinds of stuff. And his
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friend was this guy named Richard George's or Gorge's is
g R G E. S. And like I said, he
was crazy. He shot Detective Constable Arthur Young on July fourteenth,
nineteen fifteen, went to jail for ten to twelve years.
In nineteen forty one, he was arrested again for stealing
clothes and writing worthless checks and so forth. And in
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January nineteen forty four he was killed after being run
over by a train in the London Underground. A lot
of people say he got pushed.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
It's always good.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
We don't know that. Shackleton basically went to jail as well,
but it was on other things and he died in
June of nineteen forty one, so he didn't live that
long either. The saddest of these was Sir Arthur Vickers
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because in the twenties there was a lot of problems
going on in Ireland and there was a battle going on,
big battle raging and in the middle of this battle,
he's living in County Kerry and some guys all dressed
all in black just show up at his house. Nobody
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knows who they're with. Apparently people say they were with
the IRA, but nobody really knows. And they pull him
out of the house with his wife. They torch his
house and they shoot him right in front of her. Yeah,
which a lot of people believe that was a hit
put onto him by the King. Again, we don't know that,
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but that's the suspicion. There's also a theory that these
jewels were stolen by the Irish Republican Brotherhood. At one
point they were blamed on some Unionist criminals. A guy
named Lord Haddou, the son of Lord Lieutenant, was alleged
by some newspapers have been involved in the theft. Nobody
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really knows. On November twenty third, nineteen twelve, the London
Mail alleged Vickers had allowed a woman reported to be
his mistress to obtain a copy of the key to
the safe and that she had fled to Paris with
the jewels. So again they're picking on Vickers. But in
July nineteen thirteen, Vickers sues the paper for libel and
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the paper had to admit that the story was completely
baseless and that the woman in question did not even exist,
and Vickers was awarded five thousand pounds in damages. In
nineteen twenty seven, there was a memo of the Executive
Council of the Irish Free State and this was released
in the seventies where somebody named W. T. Cosgrove quote
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understands that the Castle jewels are for sale and that
they could be got for two or three thousand pounds. However,
it has been suggested that this is a misunderstanding the
memorandum having resulted from a communication to Cosgrove from a
Dublin jeweler. This guy jeweler's name was James Weldon, who
had been theoretically offered the jewels by a man fitting
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the description of Frank Shackleton in nineteen oh eight. So
again it's never been salved where these jewels are who
actually took them. But what we do know, going back
to the scandal of the Dublin Castle with all the bathhouses,
it bled through this with the missing jewels and led
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right up to the royal family and all along the way.
Here's the pattern. Here's what we need to be aware of. Vickers,
who really had very little to do with it other
than he was careless with the keys and he probably
allowed it to happen, but he wasn't in on it.
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They had to have a fall guy. So what do
they accuse him of? The very thing they're all guilty.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Of, which is normal. I mean, it's one of those
things that you see all the time using when someone's
pointing a finger, it means that they're doing it themselves.
It's like they say in relationshsp all the time. If
you have one person in relationship saying accusing the other
one of cheating constantly. It using means that they're the cheater.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Well, and I find it interesting that rather than take
him to trial or build a case or anything, no,
they destroyed his character and then fired him because he
wasn't gonna go. He was like, I'm not leaving, I
didn't do it, and arrest me or whatever, and they
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just said, no, you're out. They let him go, and
they disgraced him and they sent him off. When the
real story whether Shackleton stole them himself, had his friend
do it, or they didn't do it at all, The
reality is all these subsequent care who were shady, has
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nothing to do with him being gay, but they were
super shady. We're all involved in these bathhouses, and they
were all hooked to the Duke of our Gyle, who's
the brother in law of the king, and he cannot
let this out again. Go back. If you don't know
anything about the Victorian era, this would have destroyed the
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royal family.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yes, it would have for that to get out, even
though most time people knew about these things and they
were kind of just hush hush, Like I said, wink wink, nudge, nudge.
You know they knew, but you didn't talk about it.
You didn't let that come out.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Right in the inner circle. Of course, they talked about it.
Oh yeah, you know. I'm sure everybody knew. Our gyle's
wife knew. I'm sure the king knew. I'm sure the
Queen knew. It's just one of those things. Hey, we're
not going to talk about it. Just don't get caught.
It's the same thing, if you know the Jimmy Savills story,
who was had full access to the castle, was good
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friends of the queen, entertained them all the time, hung
out with the royals. Same thing with Epstein, same thing
with the guy from Canada that I just did the
show on. All royals, all hooked up to the castle,
all involved in these crazy sex scandals, underage scandals, and
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you just have to wonder, why do people admire them,
and how do they keep getting away with all of
this stuff and nobody holds their feet to the fire.
And what really appalls me is how they and they
are the elites. They are one of the elite families,
and they are part of the elites. When we talk
about the elites or the Illuminati or whatever they're part
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of it, how they use persuasion and act usations and
character assassination to destroy people, And they could care less
as long as their name is not sullied, as long
as their name isn't dragged through the mud, as long
as they're not held responsible for any of their actions.
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They don't care what happens to any of these lesser people.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Of course not, because it's always been You see this
with the royals, and now you see it with you know, celebrities.
It's not about how you think or about everything else.
It's what the public thinks. So as long as you
make sure the public opinion is the way you want
it to be and is in the right, then you're good.
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Doesn't matter what kind of person you really are. It's
just as long as the public opinion thinks that you're amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, And if you can control the press and you
can control those who are talking, and you can control
everyone around, whether it be through coercion, through paying them off.
Because we really don't know what happened to this top
detective who came from Scotland yard who wrote the report.
The report's been sealed up, never been let out, and
(39:13):
We really don't know what happened to him. He sort
of just went off into historical obscurity. Did they pay
him off, did they threaten him? Did they say, thanks,
good job, that's it for you. You're done. Don't say anymore.
He never gave an interview to a newspaper as far
as I know, I couldn't find one.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
I think either.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I think he just got shut down.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
He kind of disappeared and then was disappeared.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Some people believe that this was done on purpose, and
this was quote from a person who wrote a big
article on this. One of the conclusions they came to,
after going through all of this stuff and studying this
for a long time, was that whoever did it, whether
it was Vickars, whether it was Shackleton, whoever did it,
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what they were really trying to show was that the
British were evil and wicked because apparently these Dublin Castle
knightly Orgies, which there were several prominent government officials and
military people and royals, they would come in and belittle
everybody and they were above everything. You know, we hear
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this all the time, no one's above the law. Well
they were. They were the law, and they were doing
whatever they could. So there is a theory out there
that somebody was doing this or did this to actually
expose because it didn't take a whole lot of inspection
an investigation to get to the sea. To your side
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of the story, I'll say, yeah, And so some people
were like, Hey, Victoria's dead and she made life miserable
for everybody, and they're super massive hypocrites, so we're gonna
do this to expose that, And so I think that's
more of I'll say the Irish side of the story, like, oh,
we actually did it on purpose because we were trying
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to expose, you know, how terrible they were. But nobody
really knows, but we do know it's a pattern. We
do know this is a pattern that has emerged throughout
history and it continues to this day because if you
just look at all these crazy seedy things. Even Mark
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Dutroux was linked to royals. So you have all these
Cretans who are providing you know, underage girls, underage guys,
massive sex parties and all these crazy things, and the
royals are involved. And it's not just the royals, it
was the elite of society. And then at the same
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time they're going to cast dispersions and judgment on everybody
as to just how you know, how elevated they are,
how great they are, and everybody else are just lesser
humans when they're acting like animals for the most part.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
And they're being held to no accountability and being you know,
everybody's supposed to worship them and tell them how great
they are, which I think is kind of funny that
we just had. You know, we've gone through these series
of what the no King's protests, which whatever, I'm all
for everybody. If you want to have something to say,
you want to go stand on a corner and hold
a sign and protest, that's whatever. I'm I will fight
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for your right to do that, even if I disagree
with you. But this idea of no kings, well, we've
had kings since the dawn of time. We don't have
one here in America. And I just go back to
the you know, the Monty Python search for Holy Grail
where the king's clopping along and he comes across those
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peasants and he says, they say, who are you? He says,
I'm the King of England. The guy goes, I didn't
vote for you, and you don't vote for kings. Yeah,
but in this realm, the king is able to shut
this stuff down. So again, I'm sure it happens. And
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we know what happens in US politics, whether you have
a king, a president, a governor, the chief of police,
whoever it is, we know what happens. That's why it's
so important to understand what's really going on in the story.
The story is really not the jewels. Missing. The story
is how they covered up the characters involved in the
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story and just swept it aside. They didn't care really
about the value of these they didn't really care about
the significance. Nobody went searching for them. They shut it down,
and then they destroyed people in the wake of all
of this. And we see this all the time today.
That's why it's so hard to talk to somebody who
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doesn't know history.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
And this is why we have to, like, we keep
mentioning this. It's been kind of a thing that you know,
and it's gonna be a thing forever because it's something
that's just gonna always matter. If we don't learn from
our history, we repeat it. And that's one of the
things that we keep seeing. We keep seeing the history repeating.
But then when you point it out to people, they're like,
I've never heard of that. That's why.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, Before we wrap it up, I just want to
say I did read through this vickers last will and testament.
Like I said, this guy carried this burden, shame, double
cross by the crown and everybody in his country. I mean,
he carried this shame to the end. And in his
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last will and testament he wrote out this entire thing,
and I thought it was quite sad because he couldn't
shake it. And here's what he said in this last
will and testament. This is the part of it. He says, quote,
I might have had more to dispose of had it
not been for the outrageous way in which I was
treated by the Irish government over the loss of the
(45:09):
Irish Crown jewels. My whole life and work was ruined
by this cruel misfortune. And that's basically how he felt,
because for a long time everybody just assumed it was
him and that he was gay, and that he obviously
he was a drunk, even he admitted that. But at
(45:33):
the same time, if he didn't do it, he didn't
do it. And this other guy, Shackleton, who was most
likely involved pretty much got off scott free. I mean, yeah,
he went to jail for you know, other things, but
they didn't want to touch him. They didn't want to
interview him, they didn't want him talking because he had
(45:54):
all the secrets on the muckety MUCKs all the way
up to the Royal family.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
And that's it. It all comes down to clearing their
name and making the royals and the higher ups seem
and appear just and religious and righteous.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
There are people who I think the Royal family, especially
the Queen Mother. I know there's a king now, but
he hasn't really done much. I think he's a dangerous
globalist and part of the one world system plan, and
I think I can prove that. But there are a
lot of people who just can't get enough of the
(46:39):
Royal family. They can't do anything wrong, they're just amazing.
There are God's gift to the planet and so forth.
And look, I'm sure there were good people in the
extended Royal family. I'm sure there are even worse people
that we don't know about in the Royal family. But
the idea of controlling the narrative, destroying anybody who dares
(47:01):
threaten it and keeping all of your dirty little secrets
and sometimes really big dirty secrets from the public view.
To me, I just wonder what else was going on,
what else was going on behind the castle walls, especially
when you just draw the timeline to a lot of
(47:24):
really awful people who have been linked to the castle
and the dirty deeds they did, and they didn't have
any problem hanging out with them. And the only time
they started distancing themselves was when the you know, the
news broke about Epstein or about Savile or about any
(47:44):
of these other characters. Then they're like, oh, we had
no clue.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
Come on, there's no way, Yeah, no way.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
So anyway, that's our Halloween show. Pretty scary.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Huh, Yeah, it actually is.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I think it is. It's scares me. You get caught
up in the wrong thing and you could have your
entire life just blown up by accusations and lies spread about.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
You, which we see now. It's one of those things.
If someone's able to control the narrative, they can make
the public which, like we said, everything to them is
the public eye, what is the public image? If they
can ruin you, which we see it now with the
cancel culture, they can ruin you in the public eye.
You're done.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
They don't think twice about it.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
So all right, well I have the midweek and we'll
be maybe going into the digital ID that's being forced
down everybody's throat. I'm not sure yet. I do know
that that's on my docket of things to talk about,
so it'll be that or something similar to that. But
in the meantime, again, thanks to our listener for this topic.
(48:56):
I thought it was fascinating and I learned so much time.
If I get back to Ireland, can't wait to go
to the Dublin Castle and just walk in there. Hey,
can I see the Crown Jewels see what their response is?
Speaker 4 (49:08):
But definitely shoit asks.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, I definitely will. All right, email us down the
rh at ProtonMail dot com and big thanks to our
friends at Fringe Radio Network. Fringe Radio Network, get the app,
listen to us on there. They would appreciate it and
it's a cool app. Anyway, I'm big d I'm Brandon.
We're out of here.
Speaker 4 (49:31):
See later.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Hi, everybody, it's me Cinderella Acts. You are listening to
the Fringe Radio Network. I know I was gonna tell them, Hey, do.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
You have the app?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
It's the best way to listen to.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
The Fringe Radio network. It's safe and you don't have
to log in to use it, and it doesn't track
you or trace you, and it sounds beautiful.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
No, no, I was gonna tell him. How do you
get the app? Just go to Fringe radionetwork dot com
right at the top.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Of the page.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
I know, slippers, we got to keep cleaning these chimneys.
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