The Most Important Part of the Epstein Case is Being Silenced with Harley Schlanger - Sarah Westall

Harley Schlanger, president of the LaRouche Organization, rejoins the program to break down what is not being told about the Epstein case — and why those critical elements are being kept from the public eye. Schlanger lays out the deeper forces at play, revealing how key facts are buried, how narratives are shaped, and why certain names, networks, and connections remain shielded.We also expand the conversation to other hidden dynamics that impact global politics, finance, and national security — systems that influence the world yet operate beyond public awareness. This episode exposes the concealed structures driving today’s most consequential events, and why the public is deliberately left in the dark.

See Harley’s Article on Epstein:
Part 1: https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2025/eirv52n45-20251114/eirv52n45-20251114_020-what_was_jeffrey_epstein_really.pdf
Part 2: https://larouchepub.com/other/2025/5247-what_was_jeffrey_epstein_reall.html

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(03:04):
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Speaker 3 (03:14):
Welcome to Business Game Changers. I'm Sarah Westall. I have
Harley Schlanger returning to the program. He's just excellent. He
did a report, two part story on the origins of
Epstein and what's really behind it. I think most of
us are just absolutely appalled with fact that someone like
Epstein can get away. The whole network behind Epstein can

(03:37):
get away with what they got away with, and it's
pretty obvious there's more going on, and I think this
will give you some insight into what we're seeing behind
the scenes. I got to tell you we during probably
more towards the end. We bring in Roy Kon and
I have some experience with an associate of Roy Cohn.
Roy Cohne was Trump's mentor. He was notorious Slee. A

(04:03):
son of a bitch is what Harley said to me
offline after the show got was over, and one of
the things that he told me was his mentor. Harley's
mentor was Laroche and LaRouche, and he's now the president
of the LaRouche organization. Harley is and when Lyndon LaRouche

(04:24):
created his you know, back in the eighties, he was
put into prison and one of the people he had
a notorious fight with was Roy Khone and Roy Cohne
was really a thorn in their side. So he has
reason to not like Roy Cohne very much. And so
in this conversation at the end you'll hear my experience

(04:44):
with it, and I've said it a lot on shows,
but he's right, and I want you to listen to
this whole thing. It comes near the last, the third,
you know, the ending third of this program, and Harley
is right in that it's a double edged sword with
Cohen being your mentor, meaning that you're going to be
a stute. You're not a boy scout. You know what's

(05:06):
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And I guess the verdicts out on whether what's really
happening there, and I believe Rostein. If anybody's heard my
interviews with Rostein, you know they took more pedophile networks
down in the country and the world than anybody ever

(05:28):
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Roy Cohen. And you cannot take those that many pedophile
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having an informant like Roy Cohen helping you do that.
So that gave me a different perspective on the guy.

(05:49):
I think he changed his life around. And for those
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of them. Now there are people like him that live
and walk around today. But you got to hear his story.

(06:11):
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the president of the LaRouche Organization, and I want to
remind you that the last third we'll get into the
Roy Cohen connection, and hopefully you remember the context that
I said here and I will also have links to
the Epstein Part one and two. And I'll also have

(09:53):
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Executive Intelligence Review that we talked about during this discussion
as well. Okay, here's Harley. Hi, Harley, welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Hi Sarah, nice to see you again.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Your article came in and it was essentially you essentially
wrote something on EPSTEIN that a lot of us have
been thinking about and talking about in our own worlds
of what the heck is going on? None of this
makes sense, There's something deeper, you know. I've had many
I've actually had some interviews where people have asked me this,

(10:31):
and I tell them there's something more going on here,
and that there's blackmail and there's a bigger operation going
on here. And you articulated it. You tied it back
to your work back in you know, two thousand and
eight through twenty ten, and then you also looked at
the history of the whole Epstein. Let's dive into that.

(10:53):
I think it's important for people to get some context
and perspective because the world is pissed. How could a
civilized society allow child, you know, predator and sexual pedophile,
even if it's sixteen year olds that maybe technically isn't

(11:15):
illegal in the offshore island somewhere. Nobody buys that crap.
Why do we allow that to happen, you know, and
watch a government protect that kind of operation. So people
are pissed and all over both sides of the aisle.
It's not like it's one or the other. So what
made you put this out again? And then I want

(11:38):
to get into it.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Well, what was occurring to me is that with all
the coverage, it wasn't going anywhere. We knew six years ago.
We actually knew fifteen years ago that he was a pervert,
that he had sexual problems, and we knew from people

(12:00):
who worked with him that he was spreading it around
to people who agreed with them and participated with him.
But why was it six years after he was dead.
We still don't know where he got the money, and
who was he working with, and why was he protected?
And what else was he doing?

Speaker 3 (12:22):
And why is it coming out now when they know
the information?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Well, being a longtime associate of Lyndon Laruche, I went
back to his method, which is when something like this
comes up, you follow the money. Then you look to
see if there's a British connection, and then you try
to figure out what's the intention of the operation.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Why do you hold on a second? Why do you
look to see if there's a British connection, Why do
you think that's the most important or one of the
important parts of the process.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Well, virtually everything that's dirty and corrupt on the plan
it originates in the city of London. And they have
networks that are assassination networks, media networks. They control of
the digital spaces. Much of the Silicon Valley operation is
now plugged into the British and they still think like

(13:18):
an empire. They don't think like the Americans that well,
if everybody did what was right, we have a good world.
The British think we have to be in control and
if we're not powerful enough, let's find the next most
powerful country or the most powerful country and get them
to do our bidding.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
And they've had such a psychotic perspective on the world.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Well it happens to be true. And if you look
at the Epstein case, and I can show you in
the Epstein case, but look at the look at what's
going on in Ukraine right now. Who's trying to keep
the war going? The media says it's Putin. Putin wants
it to Trump wants a deal.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
He's been wanting a deal since the beginning. He's been
trying to negotiate since day one. I know we've been
talking about it for years. We've been talking about how
the negotiations have never occurred, and they keep putting up
obstacles to allow the negotiations to occur.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Well, who sabotaged at every step of the way. The
Minon coup was largely a British coup with American neocons
like Victoria Newland, the National Republican Association, the Democratic I
can't remember the National Democratic Organization. You had all kinds

(14:41):
of NGOs that were involved in it, but many of
those NGOs are British. Now, then you look at what happened.
They sabotaged the Minsk Accord. They sabotaged the April twenty
twenty two treaty agreement that Zelensky was willing to accept.
So now maybe a million more Ukrainians have died because

(15:02):
Boris Johnson went to Kiev and said, no, we'll keep
supporting you. Now you have the so called E three countries, Germany,
the United Kingdom and France who are saying we're going
to keep the war going. And at the center of
it is what the British. So this is where you
have to get to intent. What's the intent? And I'll

(15:23):
take Ukraine as an example. The British have had this
century and a half feud with Russia, with the Russian Empire,
going back to Afghanistan in the eighteen forties, going back
to the Crimean War in the eighteen fifties, going back
to the Opium War with China and also in the
eighteen fifties. They do not want a connection between Western Europe,

(15:49):
Central Europe and Eurasia. This is what Mackinder and geopolitics
is about. You have to keep them separate so that
the British can determine the terms of trade and the
currencies and what we call today the financial reset. They've
been resetting the agenda for their benefit ever since the

(16:09):
American Revolution. Now that's why you start with the British.
And what you find in the case of Epstein is
that his networks were an integration of US organized crime,
coordinated through what used to be called the Jewish mafia,

(16:29):
the mayer Lansky gang, working together with arms traffickers like
Admon Koshogi, like Douglas Lease, who was the key guy
in the Saudi arms deals with the British in the
eight nineteen eighties. Then you find what else, scientists, media people,

(16:52):
Alan Dershowitz, you find all these different people.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Well, Alan Dershowitz is weirdly involved on so many fronts
all the way back to the eighties. In your research,
Allander Schwarts is the name that keeps popping up.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Well, what I found out right at the beginning is
that this question of where did the money come from?
Because clearly Epstein was spending tens of millions of dollars
to buy an island, to buy a plane, to buy influence,
to get himself on the inside. So he plugged into
this network. There was the Michael Milken junk bond network.

(17:32):
And from my research in the nineteen eighties, along with
an associate, Jeffrey Steinberg, and by the way, Whitney Webb
was a little bit involved in this research. Also, what
we found was that the Milk and Drexel Burnham junk
bond operation, which was tens of billions of dollars in

(17:53):
the eighties, was funded by organized crime money laundering and
that the people who were the junk bond dealers where
either one generation removed from or even in some cases
connected to the Meyer Lansky, Lucky Luciano, Max Fisher, Longey's
Willman mob from the nineteen twenties, from the prohibition period.

(18:18):
Now what they had money. They had plenty of money
from prostitution, from prohibition, then later from drugs. But they
needed a way to launder it. And this is what
bear Stearns provided, this is what Drexel Burnham provided. You
could come in with bags of money to Michael Milken.
He would then take one of the other organized crime

(18:41):
types like Nelson Peltz or Michael Steinhardt whose father was
Red Steinhardt, who was the bagman for Lanski. Here you
have piles of money coming in and what do they do.

(19:01):
They buy junk bonds and use that to take over corporations,
mergers and acquisitions, leverage buyouts. And this continued during the eighties.
It ended in the late eighties with the RJR. And
Nibisco takeover which was twenty five billion dollars. And they
concluded at that point, this doesn't work anymore. It's too

(19:22):
hard to channel the money through the Federal Reserve and
the money circulation.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
So they came up with a new method.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, called collateralized debt obligations, whether it's mortgage backed securities,
credit card compilations, basically something that where you can't trace
where the money's coming from.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Well, I had Brad Berkenfeld on who ended up being
spent a few years in jail, but he was also
awarded the most amount of money for a whistleblower. And
I had him on multiple times, and he had this
list of all this money that was going on through
Swiss banks and other major international banks, and there was

(20:08):
something like eighteen thousand names that they would not have released,
and they blacked him all out and kept it as
top secret in the process of him exposing all this.
So they have a process of continuing to do this
kind of wandering and at the same time protecting the top,

(20:29):
top criminals who are doing it.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Well, you take a look at Epstein, he emerges from
a very interesting network. Again, people don't put these things together.
Donald Barr, who was the father of William Barr, the
Attorney General for Trump, was the person who got Epstein
his job at Dalton School in New York, where he

(20:53):
was discovered by Ace Greenberg, the CEO of bear Stearns. Now,
people like Greenberg are always looking for people of questionable morals,
who will do things that are illegal, who avoid the
full regulatory process, who can be relied upon to do that.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
That's why pedophiles, right, That's what pedophiles are often promoted
because they fit that prototype well.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
In this case, do you see that the immorality was
not just sexual but he didn't care who was hurt.
Same thing with Milkin. Milkin is now hailed as a
philanthropist and a guy who democratized capitalism. But he did
is he took the money from organized crime and used
it to build empires like Ronald Pearlman's empire Nelson Peltz.

(21:47):
One of the important ones for Epstein was a man
named Michulam Rickless. Does that name ring a Belle?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I've heard his name.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Well. Rickless was the promoter of Pia Zadora in the seventies.
He was going to make her a star. He got
his start working for Louis Rosensteel, who was one of
Lanski's guys. And Rickliss was one of the first people
to start selling junk bonds and he built up something

(22:18):
called American Reliance Corporation, and this was sort of a
clearinghouse for money laundering. Now he got to know someone
named Les Wexner. Now Wexner is a typical case a
guy who starts out in dry goods, in clothing, cheap

(22:41):
clothing you can turn over quickly, make some money, and
next thing you know, you're mixing in other kinds of
money with it. And then you start taking over companies
like Victoria's, Victoria's Secret, Abercrombie and Fitch. And so he
built up an empire. Was called the Merlin of the

(23:01):
Malls because his shops were in all these different malls.
Now Rickless is a hardcore criminal, but was protected. And
this is something that I think will probably get people
to get a little bit upset when they hear it.
But there's an organization which is now discredited because of

(23:25):
its defensive net and yahoo called the Anti Defamation League.
And the ADL says that anytime someone criticizes Israel, it's
anti semitism. Before that, they said anyone criticizing people who
were Jewish gangsters, that's anti semitism. So this goes back
to nineteen thirteen when the ADL was founded the Jewish

(23:49):
gangs of New York.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Wow. So did they stop with the obvious protecting just
criminals or are they still doing it kind of softly
behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Well, I consider net Nyahu a war criminals and protecting.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Him that's very true. Yeah, they Well, but how did
they get the Congress? This is a whole other topic.
But the fact that they got Congress to outlaw anybody
criticizing Israel on college campuses is so out It is
so beyond what our constitution allows. I just what does

(24:26):
that say about our Congress?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Well, I forget our Congress. What does it say about
the American people willing to turn a blind eye to this?
You know, this whole question of the the A d L.
And this is partly a side issue, but it's partly
the story. If you were to call michuelam Ricklis a
thug and a criminal, you might find yourself in court

(24:49):
and an associate of Alan Dershowitz prosecuting you.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
That's how this was was involved in a lot of
I mean, it was he part of this operation because
these been involved in so many and I got to
say that just within the last couple of months, his
son committed suicide, which I thought was pretty interesting.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Well, we go back to Milkin when Milkin's operation was
finally shut down, and when they shut it down, they
put Drexel, Burnham Lambert through bankruptcy. Bear Stearns went into
bankruptcy a little bit later. But when Michael Milkan was
put on trial, he was given a I think it
was eighteen counts or actually ninety six counts of money laundering,

(25:34):
hiding funds, and all sorts of violations. Dershowitz got it
lowered to I think three or four counts. And what
Dershowitz said is that Milkan was a target of anti Semitism.
So the fact that he's taking drug money and packaging
it to take over American corporations on behalf of swindlers,

(25:58):
how is that anti semitism? Expose it?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Don't you think that der Schwitz and the whole gang,
not just him, but the whole ADL and their messaging
of calling everything anti semitism has non backfired.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
It already has.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's so backfired. But there truly is anti Semitism, But
of course there is, but I think they have made
it worse their behavior.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
It's you know, it's sort of like the when people
say that Russia and China have come together, that that
happened in part because of the way the West treated
both of them. You know, they're logical consequences to stupid policies.
And if every time someone who's Jewish is accused of

(26:43):
a crime, if that's anti Semitism, well it's simply not
the case.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Well you start to you start to go, well, goshare
those stereotypes about Jewish people real? When you start seeing
that they're defending pedophiles and mobsters and criminals at all costs,
no matter what they do, then you circle, what are
they evil? Even though you know, because you know we
all have a lot you're Jewish, for God's sake, Even

(27:11):
though we know there's a lot of Jewish. I have
Jewish people that you know around me, and I probably
will have a son in law who's Jewish. We know
they're not bad. But at the same standpoint, when you
see that's what they do is trigger activity at all costs,
people question that or are they evil?

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Well and Sarah, this is where you get to the
trick that was played on humanity by the British by
creating the Zionist movement, which is supposedly a Jewish movement,
but Zionism is a national, colonial settlers movement and it
has nothing to do with religion, because if it did

(27:50):
have something to do with religion, they wouldn't be butchering Palestinians,
That's right. So when you look at the difference between
Judaism as an ethical relation religion and Zionism as a
land grab in the Middle East, who supported Zionism in
the first place? Balfer, the Foreign Secretary of Britain.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
With that's why you go back to it. With the
British involved with this, does it go back to the
city of London, And in that situation, yes, but I
and why did.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
They do it? Because they saw that area southwest Asia
as a lynch, as a bridge between Asia, Europe and Africa.
And if you had transportation connections rail ports that connected it,
it would interfere with the British control of trade and

(28:44):
monetary policy from the deep ocean ports. And so that's
where this thing goes back to.

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It all comes back to the city Lund. Okay, so
let's uh, let's talk about the Ebstein because people are
hyper focused on the celebrities who are involved, the you know,
the Clinton Gates, the very famous people who are involved,
and the salacious activity around it. And I contend and

(29:43):
and your article was perfect because it articulated what most
of us who have been analyzing this have come to
the conclusion of is that they're not They're hiding the
true intentions and the true operation behind this. And they're
allowing the name and all the salacious stuff to come
out because that's what people are interested in. They want

(30:04):
to see that. But what they're really hiding is the operation.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Well with the obsession with celebrity in the United States,
States the lifestyles of the rich and famous and so on.
You throw in a Bill Clinton, you throw in a
formerly Prince Andrew, Bill Gates, Gnoam Chomsky. For God's sake,
you start throwing in some of these figures who Epstein
was tracking, and suddenly it becomes interesting to people because

(30:33):
that's where people's heads are. They're wanting to know who's
screwing whom and how come they do.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
It's so shallow, and it seems like the US population
has been groomed to just be this shallow, hollow shell,
and social media is amplifying it, and that's how they
can get away with doing an Epstein cover up.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
In plain sight, that's exactly right, and it's a perfect
way of doing it, because what you're doing is diverting
people's attention from what Epstein was doing with the time
when he wasn't molesting and abusing young girls, which is
what he was involved in money laundering, He was involved
in arms trafficking. He plugged into one of the most

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important British networks that included people like Robert Maxwell. And
of course Robert Maxwell was an Israeli British KGB agent
who was working who took over the Daily Mirror, the
major newspaper chain in London, and stole five hundred million

(31:45):
pounds from the pension fund. And that's where his daughter
had the Gilaine had the ability to be a socialite
and hang out in hobnob with the rich and famous.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Was she go ahead, finish your thing on him?

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Well, besides the theft he was involved in during the
end of World War Two, he was working with m
I six, working with British intelligence and wasn't he and.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Isn't wasn't he intimately involved in with the Russians and
as an asset there as well.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
He and Edmund Saffra were two money launderers that made
themselves available for whoever paid the price. And Maxwell was
closed to Sir James Goldsmith, who is another one of
these big money people who had Masad and KGB connections.

(32:40):
And so you look at these networks and the latest
stuff coming out on Epstein just confirms this. Epstein was
working with Ahod Barack, the former Israeli Prime Minister, to
set up companies involved in spying all kinds of cyber warfare.

(33:02):
And who is he working with Barack to meet Russians, Mongolians,
people from the Ivory Coast, and then Peter Teal.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Do you know Peter Teal, He's the Palanteer guy. Yeah,
the Palatine, very very PayPal and Silicon Valley. It seems
like the tie ins the Silicon Valley is pretty is
deeper than Peter tele and that the city of London.
I mean, it's a freight train. Technology taking over and

(33:35):
running our whole world is a freight train. It's here,
it's already here, it's going to be here. They know,
they knew what was happening, and they wanted to get
in front of it and control the entire space right
and Epstein was one of those operations to control it.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Epstein was an intersection point for the nineteen eighties money
laundering to move into. He had a company that was
very big in mortgage backed securities that build up toward
the two thousand and seven two thousand and eight collapse.
And his company was forty percent owned by bear Stearns,
which is one of the older important Wall Street investment banks,

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which then went bankrupt when an Epstein operation collapsed. Now,
how many people connect Epstein with bear Stearns, But bear
Stearns former CEO Ace Greenberg was the person who brought
Epstein in as a money trader.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Well, hold on a second, one of Epstein's operations went south,
and that bankrupted the entire bear Stearns. That is some
I mean, you just threw something out there that was
that's absolutely massive. An operation that's big enough to bankrupt
a bank like bear Stearns or investment health like bear

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Stearns is not something that small mean major.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Well, and what bear Stearns got involved in was a
Ponzi scheme that Epstein was running for one of his clients.
And when the Ponzi scheme collapsed, it was called Tower
Financial Corporation. When it collapsed, the owner of the company
went to jail for eighteen years Epstein.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Nothing happened to Epstein, not for a minute.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
And in fact, when the owner got out of jail,
he said, all of this was Epstein's idea.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Now, how does Epstein get away with this level of
crime without there being blackmail involved? I would assume there's
I know there's blackmail involved, but blackmail at a higher
level than the celebrities and crap we're seeing. I mean,
it can't be. These people aren't powerful enough that we're
seeing in the media. For Epstein to get away with

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what he's getting away with. So there's blackmail at a
different level.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Go ahead where people like William bar should be asked
some questions. A former attorney general, he should be asked
some questions. I mean, one of the things I started
the article on was this strange case of what happened
in Florida where the Southern District US Attorney Acosta brought

(36:20):
a case against Epstein that eventually put Epstein in prison
for thirteen months. Now, Acosta ended up charging getting a
plea bargain from Epstein on two counts of prostitution with
underage girls. The deputy US Attorney in the same office
had a fifty two count indictment on money laundering and

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violation of monetary policy fifty two counts. And when they
decided to do a trial, did you ever hear again
about the fifty two counts of financial fraud? No, they
put up front the institution charge. Epstein got an eighteen
month sentence at a club fed in southern Florida, where

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he was allowed to leave the prison eight hours to
ten hours a day.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
It's just so I think the average American person is
so disillusioned by a pedophile criminal being treated like this
and then still protected to this day. It is not
unlike Israel performing genocide in front of the world and
getting away with it. It is so asinine to the

(37:35):
average person. And they tried it, and with the genocide
of the Israeli Palestinian situation, they tried to make it
out that the Republicans were for it, and they're realizing
that the majority of the base is absolutely against it,
just like the everybody's against it, right.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
I remember the reaction when the Justice Department did not
come up with the Epstein finals.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Well, and so everyone is against these things because they're
unless you're really, really dumb, I'm sorry. Everyone is not
falling for this garbage that they're feeding you in the
media there.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
But they did initially they did because.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Initially but not he was dead six.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Years before people started looking at who funded him and
how it worked.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
But not anymore though, and that so what's happening. Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (38:31):
There are two points I want to make. One going
back to the Southern District of Florida US Attorney's Office,
Alex Acosta, who is the district attorney who threw out
the extensive investigation into money laundering and fraud. He was
then named Labor Secretary by Donald Trump. And he's the

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one who said allegedly, and this is a controversial thing,
but that they let Epstein off because he was told
he was with intelligence. And now that's been sully.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
They can debunked. They just need to debunk it. They
need to say it's not real. I don't believe. I
don't believe that it's not real because it was so
understood for so long, and now they have to come
back years many a decade later and claim that it's
not real.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Well, now here's the other thing that happened. When Drexel
Burnham went under Epstein in nineteen ninety one, was given
power of attorney of Less Wexner's empire, the Victoria's secret
Abergrabi Fitch, so he could sign checks, he could hire
and fire. He controlled a one point eight billion dollar empire.

(39:46):
Now Wexner. When Epstein was prosecuted in two thousand and
six two thousand and seven and sent to prison, all
of a sudden, Wexner said, oh my god, I didn't
I couldn't see this. I missed it. I'm so sorry. Now,
how could people buy that? But once now here's the

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telling points, Sarah. When Wexner dropped him and Epstein got
out of prison, I think in two thousand and nine
he had no major sponsor. At that point, he'd stashed
money everywhere. He may have had some people. The BBC
did a documentary saying that he and Gallaane Maxwell may

(40:28):
have gotten four hundred million pounds of the Daily Mirror
pension fund theft by Robert Maxwell. So he had access
to money, but where did he go next? His next
patron was Leon Black, who had been the leading junk
bond salesman for Michael Milken and Black set up a

(40:50):
company called Global Assets. He's a multi billionaire and he
gave two hundred million dollars to Epstein three years and
he said it was for helping him with family planning
and the estate.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
What do you think it really was for? Why would
you give away two hundred million dollars as some creeple?

Speaker 4 (41:10):
What do you think because Black was part of the operation.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Okay, So do you think Kilzane mac Giselaine Maxwell was
the handler or do you think she was just part
of the operation because her father was very powerful. Was
she just part of the family business and became pretty
powerful or was she just a minor player because a
lot of people think she was, that she was the controller.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
I don't think so. I don't think she was the controller,
but I think she was knowledgeable about what.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Was going on, So you think she was. She wasn't
just the girlfriend. She had to have been an asset herself.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
And she probably had a lot to do with the
blackmail operations because she knew who was with whom. But
you know, there's one other point about this which is
really kind of fascinating, which is that when you look
at Maxwell's role and you look at the way this
thing unfolded, she's the only one who's in prison.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Yeah, so what's the deal with that.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Well, they probably are afraid that she might talk and
she saw what happened to Epstein in prison, and keeping
her in prison and enables them to have another layer
of protection.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
So okay, let's zoom out here and talk about what's
really behind this. You know, I was at James Rothstein's house,
who is very averse in blackmail and human compromises really
what he calls it, and I pulled into his driveway
to do one of my six interviews with him. I

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spent hours with him, and I heard on the radio
in his driveway that Epstein committed suicide right or did
what he did, which nobody as he committed suicide, but
I told him that, and we just just literally pulled
into his driveway when I heard it. I told him
the first thing he said to me, Sarah, that's the

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tip of the iceberg. He is just one of many operations.
So my belief is that they don't want people to
understand what the operations are, not this one guy. This
one guy isn't really that big. I mean, he's a
big deal, huge deal, but he's not that he's not
the be all end all. Taking him down doesn't stop

(43:32):
these operations, is my point. And that's what it does do,
is it exposes how these operations run.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
But it also is used to protect the others because
they'll say, well, you know, Epstein was a bad guy.
Look how bad he was, and now he's gone. But
what's in its place?

Speaker 3 (43:55):
You know?

Speaker 4 (43:55):
This is the the other point of my article was
to show how Epstein was used, along with many other people,
to carry out what klaush Fob was calling the Great Reset.
There have been three different Great resets since the assassination
of John F. Kennedy, Starting in nineteen seventy one when
they did away with the Breton Wood system and the

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gold reserve system for the US dollar. Then in the
eighties the junk bond funding, then in the nineties and
the early two thousands, the collateralized debt obligations which blew
out in two thousand and eight. Don't forget also the
dot com bubble in two thousand yep. That was the

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included the eBay mafia and the build up of stocks
that had huge monetary value but made no money.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Well, there's always a willingness of people to make a
fortune off of doing nothing and hurting others.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Right, But what they do, the way they get away
with it is that people get awed by mind. The
average person hears about someone's a billionaire and think, how
could that be?

Speaker 3 (45:05):
What?

Speaker 4 (45:06):
You know, he can do anything he wants, and it
creates a powerful image when you don't realize that those
billions of dollars may be based on totally fraudulent financial instruments.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Well, and having this ethical and moral compass to know
that this isn't money, isn't so important that you should
sell your soul to do it. We are in a
culture where you know, I had a really good conversation
with my daughter recently of what these younger peoples I
want to be influencers, right, and it's a number one
job aspiration is to be a freaking influencer. And a

(45:42):
lot of these it's stupid and a lot of these girls, well,
almost all the girls who are influencers are are popular
because they're sexualized, right unless they are a media type
or investigative journalists or a media person's that's the area
that is not sexualized. But all that, almost all the
other areas, celebrity included, is all sexualized for girls and

(46:07):
these only fans is really pornography and they're willing. So
many girls are willing to do that because of the money.
And so we have this culture of what's easy money
and I can be rich. And that's the same phenomena
that you're talking about here, and we have a whole
culture of it right now.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Well, and the point is that people are rich based
on the willingness to constantly extend debt. Like you look
at the federal deficit, the federal debt thirty eight trillion.
Now there's almost twenty trillion in private sector debt, credit
card debt, family debt, there's corporate debt. We're living under

(46:48):
a mountain of debt that's going to collapse at some point.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
But what do they do good?

Speaker 4 (46:53):
They extend it using the federal reserve. This is why
the federal reserve is an important issue because people like Milken,
people like Drexel Burnham. But by the way, when we
talk about the companies that went under, what about the
ones that didn't go under that were part of this,
the two big to fail banks. Jamie Diamond of a

(47:13):
JP Morgan, He's is.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
So involved in so much of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
But okay, I they keep getting fine, those banks keep
getting fine for money laundering. And what they say is
that's a cost of doing business.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Well, is there no one with the courage to do
what's right? Is there?

Speaker 1 (47:29):
No?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
I mean, does it just take? It's going to take
a collapse, and then the American people are going to
have to suffer through reclaiming our culture because we're sitting
with it. That's why I use that example of the
you know, Andrew Tate, pimp and hole degrees, which is
what's creating this only fans and stuff. This has been
popular culture for a while now, and we are going

(47:53):
to have a rude awakening, and in some ways it's necessary,
but there's going to be a lot of suffering of
innocent people as this happens, if people don't have the
backbone to deal with it. Now, the reset, this technology
AI reset. They think they're going to get out from
underneath this by doing this whole research set and taking

(48:14):
over the world with AI and technology and then not
having to deal with it, yeah, and then not having
to deal with the ramifications of all. What we're talking about, what.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
I went through in the article is a number of
the bubbles that popped. The nineteen eighty seven stock crash,
which Lyndon Laruge forecast six months before it happened, the
dot com bubble, the mortgage backed securities bubble in two
thousand and eight, the re bubble in twenty twenty, and

(48:45):
now everything's been shifted into something that most people can't
figure out. What is so valuable about artificial intelligence? But
one of the reasons this is going to be is
going to pop. Is it huge amounts of money you're
going into it, but the costs of it are extremely high.
Artificial intelligence requires an enormous amount of electricity.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
We there's a funny infrastructure for it right now.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
That's right, And here's a funny aspect of this in
Germany would shut down the nuclear industry, the coal power industry.
Now Germany wants to be an AI superpower. They can't
do it. Solar energy and wind power's not going to
work if I can't electricity.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
That's why they need real business people that understand, but
not a bunch of criminals they need. It's like when
I talk about we need business people, we need people
that actually understand what's going on, not criminals. We need
the hard work, we need the bootstrapping. We need what
made this country great in the first place, the people
being built up based on merit, and so we have
to build the infrastructure. But I got to push back

(49:48):
a little bit on AI. Here's the deal. I think
AI is a double edged sword where it could bring
us incredible things or it could enslave us, and they'll
probably do a combination of both. But I am worried
because I don't think that society is mature enough to
handle it.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
I think the wrong people are behind it.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
The wrong people are behind it, and society at large.
Even if you had good people behind it. I don't
think they understand enough to implement it properly. I think
there's a rare set of people that have the knowledge
and the maturity to implement it in a way that's
responsible for humanity.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Now let me go back to something to tie in
with earlier. Because the one person I know, because I
worked with him for so many years who understood this,
understood what money is, monetary policy, economic policy, he spoke
of the physical economy of the American system was Lyndon LaRouche.
Why was Lyndon Larouge thrown in prison? He was a

(50:52):
target of the anti defamation leader.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Oh jeez.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
And the person the person who organized it was Henry Kissinger.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Well, Henry Kissinger also made statements that the wars were
great for depopulation and that Gosh I had a whole
bunch of reducing population, and that the male you know,
soldier is just a dumb animal that that we can
manipulate and control.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
So we're what we're dealing with a sociopaths, bad sociopaths
who control academic and think tanks what Ray McGovern calls
the Mickey mac because he includes think tanks, media, academic
institutions like the the MIT media group. This is something
which is trying to transform human beings. This is part

(51:46):
of the Yeah, go ahead, this is what you've been
talking about and stuff exactly.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
But that's why I say they're not mature enough. They're
not not only are they not ethical, moral enough, ethical enough,
they don't know enough. A lot of these people they're
just blindly doing it, not conscious of what they're doing,
and they're not mature enough. So we have That's what
scares me more than anything, because AI has a lot
of promise, but we have these adolescents who might be smart,

(52:20):
might be brilliant, but their maturity they're at, you know,
their mental development from a humanity standpoint is that of
a child. And they're the ones running these things. It's
too powerful and AI. What is almost almost seventy percent,
like something like sixty eight percent or sixty seven percent
of all new investments is going to AI.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Yeah. Well, let me bring up another point. What was
the big business behind a lot of this was drugs?
Drugs and drug money, and what was the effect of
drugs on the American population. I would argue that beyond
the fentanyl and the people who have been killed by overdose.

(53:08):
There's another factor of overdose, which is the inability to
think straight.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
That's what Michael Johan says. He's an expert at warfare,
sigops and things. He says, the first thing you do
to destabilize the countries you're burring in drugs, because it
blows up the families. Right, It's like a nuclear bomb
in the family, and it destroys the fabric of society.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
It's a form of hybrid warfare.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
So the same people who control the financial system through
the big banks, the two big defail banks, control the
media through the corporate cartels. They control the war machine
which goes out and does regime change of any country
that tries to escape being part of the drug operation.
It's a closed circuit and the control is in the

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hands of the same small group of people that have
controlled world economics since the Second World War.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Well, don't you think that it's one thing to control
the banking system. I mean you can pretty much go
along again along, right. It all affects us, but it's
not so bad where you can't raise your family. Like
in the seventies and eighties, you could raise a family,
could have a good life. But we're getting to the
point where we no longer can have a good life
with AI. It's affecting all of us to the degree

(54:28):
that I mean our basic ability to live in a
family situation. And it has gone beyond just them dominating banking.
They're literally dominating our lives at a basic level unless
you completely check out. But then you have to become
like a Mennonite or something, and you can't be part
of society. So it's gotten beyond the point where you

(54:52):
can allow them to just run and do their thing
and be the most powerful people they want to be. Now,
we don't have the luxury. People don't have the luxury
to sit back and let these imbeciles run stuff. The
adults in the room need to step up and say
enough is enough, because we can't afford for you to
wreck society for the next I don't know how many centuries.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Well, consider this. We're at the end of six centuries
of the European colonial experience, where the European nations, whether
it's Britain, France, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, set out to take
over what today is called the Global South, and they
looted it for six centuries and they've reached a point

(55:37):
where those countries are now saying no more, we demand
sovereign protection. And this is one of the big fights
that is also not known by most people.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
This is what's happening behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
And so you have an emergence of a potential new
financial system. And what are we told putin jijinping. They're
trying to wreck our system, nothery or not, we're wrecking
it ourselves. We're by leaving it in the hands of
the people you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Well, like Andy Sheckman says, it's too stupid to be stupid,
But what you know, I try to analyze Trump and
his actions and it's kind of schizophrenic, to be honest,
I don't understand. I think the power of struggles are
pretty uh, pretty big where it's hard to understand what's
really going on. I don't. I some days I think

(56:26):
he's on the side of the people, and other times
I think he's on the side of the new world order.
I mean, I don't, and I do realize that there's
factions fighting each other based on what you see. I mean,
he's it's very clear that he knows that the financial
system is the number one priority to me. That's very clear.
But is he working on the side of the city

(56:47):
of London and Israel or is he working on the
side of the people to try to create something that's
more prosperous going forward. I can't tell you.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
I've made I've made fun of people who try to
be Trumpologists and trying and figure out what's the logical
principal basis of what Trump's doing. I think it's partly survival.
I think he does want to end these wars. I
think he does want to see a prosperous country. But
you can't have prosperity in the United States if you're

(57:17):
going to war with countries that could be partners. And
we see this back and forth. Schizophrenia is the right term.
One day he's talking about his good friend Jesian Ping
and how wonderful the Chinese economy is doing, and the
next day he's talking about going to war over Taiwan.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
It's really weird. It's just like the New York mayor.
They spent eight months yelling at each other about how
he's going to destroy our country, and then the next
day he's in the White House and they're shaking hands
and he's blessing them and he's a good guy. I mean,
people don't understand that kind of messaging.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
But here's the point. There is reality. You can have
virtual reality, you can cover up the truth, you can
divert attention, but at a certain reality asserts itself. This
is what is the problem now for the Zionist movement
and the people who use the Zionist movement. They've lost
the younger Jewish population for the first time. Now, younger

(58:15):
Jews in Europe and the United States are saying we
don't agree with Zionism, and so now you have a
panic setting in And we just saw this discussion of
the attempt to try and destroy John Meherzheimer. He's not
the greatest guy, but Meerzheimer is one of the first
people who wrote extensively about the power of the Zionist lobby.

(58:38):
There's a potential for accountability, but who controls the people
who would hold them accountable. We're seeing a fight in
the legal system, a fight in the FBI. I had
some hopes for cash Pettel. I think he's just not
up to the task. The one person I see who

(58:59):
is fairly clear on these things, this Telci Gabbert.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
She's standing out as but we don't see too much
of her. But I think she's being sidelined because I
think she is really good.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Well. I think she's very much aware of the corruption
of Marco Rubio, who we refer to as Narco Rubio.
You know, he's got a real problem. He's got connections
to the drug mafia, part of the Florida connection. And
why is he pushing so hard for a war with Venezuela.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah, what is going on there? He is if he's
part of the drug mafia. They're bombing all these drug boats.
What is going on? I always see when over the years, Harley,
what I have seen is they bomb out their competitors
and they make way for their own. That's really what happens.
And then they make way for their own.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
You know what that is. That's the mafia method. And
let me tell you one thing that makes me suspicious
of Trump, like what he's tried to do to bring
an end of the war, but he's not forceful enough.
But what was his who is one of his mentors,
Roy Cohn.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
That's actually a positive thing based on all my research,
and go ahead, I don't think so, right I'll tell
you why.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Well, Roy Cohne was the lawyer for the mom.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Yeah, but let me tell you I know that. Let
me tell you Rostein, who I had hours and hours
and I've stayed in coctate contact contact with him for years.
His informant that took down more pedophile networks all the
way up to un than anyone else in our country
was Roy Cohen. And what happened is Roy Cohn flipped

(01:00:45):
at the end of his life and he was funding orphanages.
He was he had like this come to Jesus thing.
He is very very informed. He had so many people blackmailed.
He had more people blackmailed than anybody. Okay, but the
end of his life he used that I know it's people.
Had this happened. People are humanity, people are real, right,

(01:01:07):
shit happens. And he used his network to take down
as many pedophiles as they possibly could and organized. Rostein
is a hero in the intelligence agencies because he did that.
There would be no way he could have done what
he did without an informant like Roy Khan. Okay. So,
and at that time that he was taken down all

(01:01:29):
these pedophile networks, his mentor Trump's mentor was Roy Khan.
So does that mean it's a it's a You're right,
it's a double edged sword, it taught him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Well, that's minimally, that would be my point. Yes, And
what Roy Cohen basically said is if you're going into
a fight, go for the kill. And that's what Trump
used as his business method.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Well, that's what Rostein used to do. He used to
go into it. He'd get a call from a prostitute
in a hotel room, there'd be a bunch of gunfire,
and he'd come out with just a prostitute and everyone
else was dead. And I'm not kidding. I'm glad that
I didn't know all this stuff before I first went
to meet him. He was like a teddy bear that
once I talked to him, because he was very kind
to ever.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Are you talking about Arnold Rothstein now, No, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Talking about James Rothstein. Jimmy Boots, the detective. And they
took out Nixon had him take out the snuff directors,
all the snuff films. He said, I don't care how
you do it. And they went and they killed twelve
of the snuff producers and distributors and directors in the country.
They couldn't get to one of them. This was all

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going on in the eighties when Roy Cohen, and the
reason and how we got to all of them was
through Roy Cohen. I'm telling you that's what was going
on at that time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Well, I still have to be convinced of that, but
well you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I mean, you don't have to be. I'm surprised you
don't know. Of all my investigative work with Jim's Rostein,
it was that was an incredible time for me learning
about all this stuff. You're right, there needs to be
more vetting of glood. Did Roy Coin really do this? Really?
But I looked into as much as one thing that

(01:03:12):
Rothstein told me, and he's right is you don't believe
you can't trust anything that's written down, and you can't.
You have to go check your stuff yourself. He was
because so much of all of this is made up
intelligence for the sake of the narrative.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Well, this is why the slogan should be what Reagan
had towards the Soviets, trust but verify. That's right, and
there really has to be and I'm not talking about
the stop fake news and these kinds of things, because
they actually create more fake news. This is where people
have to take responsibility. And I'm talking you about the

(01:03:51):
American citizens. We have the power if we are mobilized
around principled ideas to change history. We've done it before,
and we're at a point now where we're facing a
probably the biggest global economic collapse coming on like a
freight train that we've ever had. Wars. Let me just

(01:04:14):
tell you one thing that came out from France in
the last two days. The head of NATO's military command,
named Admiral Dragone, said that we have to be prepared
to launch preemptive strikes against Russia. And he was asked,
you mean nuclear and he said, whatever we have to do.
And then Macrohne's chief of the military said, look, we're

(01:04:38):
going to be in a war and the problem is
that French people aren't ready for it because we want
we're not willing to sacrifice our children. Now, when you
have leaders of powerful institutions say we have to be
prepared to sacrifice our children, is that worth it? Is
that how the world should be run? And so you

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then go back and take take a telescopic view backwards
on what we've been discussing We've seen a rot that
has taken over leading institutions, banking, corporations, media, and it's
not going to go away on its own because it's
made people very powerful and profitable. The people have to

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do something. And I think when you asked what would
cause this to change, maybe if we had another crash,
that people would after getting over being stunned and shocked,
maybe they'd finally say enough is enough.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
We should have.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Known better after the two thousand and eight crash.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Well, but we're still living high off of that. I mean,
there's more and more people that are living in poverty
and struggling. But you know, going back to you know,
some of the lessons of Moses that's shared between the
Jewish people and the Christians is the forty days in
the desert, right, the forty years in the desert, And

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that's kind of the wilderness that you need to walk
through in order to come out the other side as
a better people. And I don't know if we have
just as a metaphor, whether you're a Christian or whatever
you are, but as a metaphor it actually works. Have
we been lost in the wilderness enough to grow maturity

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wise in this country and I don't. That's the concern
I have with Ai. I think the Russians have been
lost in the wilderness more than us with the severe
suffering that they've had to endure for a century, than
we Americans.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Are well, I think you're right about that. But I
can tell you from having immersed myself in this story
for the last two months, and it took a lot
to write it. In fact, it took forty years of
research because I was researching this back in the eighties.
What became clear is that if I could figure it out,

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other people could too, and they just need to have
access to the ideas. And Sarah, you're quite unique in
the sense that you're willing to fight the fights that
have to be fought against censorship.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
I would call me unique, call me maybe dumb, but
you're fighting it too.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Go ahead, well, and what is clear is that people
have the potential because of the mass media, the social media.
You know, I have the same problem that you did.
I get shadow band. There are times where I'll have
seventy five thousand people log onto one of my daily updates,

(01:07:42):
or I'll go on to a podcast and get three
hundred four hundred thousand views and then people write and
say what can I do? And you send an email
back saying join our movement, and you never hear from
them again. So the inertia, the willingness to wait and
see if someone else will do something, maybe the lack

(01:08:04):
of moral fitness to survive.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Well, that's where I get to the maturity. I'm concerned
that we don't have the maturity. I don't think we
have a choice right now, because what's barrowing down on
us like a freight train is going to change society
in such a fundamental way that we need the mature
adults in the room to step forward and start guiding
this ship in a way that is pro human. And

(01:08:30):
I am very concerned about the people who are currently
guiding it. I think there's a lot of people inside
these institutions who understand what we're saying today and understand
that and need to step up into their leadership roles
of what their responsibilities are, because if we don't guide
this train, and I don't think we can stop the train.

(01:08:50):
I think it's a frickin bullet train that we can't stop.
And I'm talking technology, but I think we can change
the tracks a little bit so that it goes towards
freedom instead of towards enslavement.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Well, we have to, we have to. And what I'm
willing to do anyone who's watching this who would like
to get a copy of the two part series I
wrote on Epstein, I'll give my email address and you
can post it on your site and I'm happy to
send the links to it so that people can get
it easily. And then they have to read it and

(01:09:24):
think about it. And I hope we've inspired a little
bit of interest.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
In this and everybody should read it. Everyone should read
your article, everybody, And.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
If you want to get it, send it to me
at Harley scch very simple. H A R L E
Y S E H at gmail dot com and I'll
turn it around as quickly as I can.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Well, I'll put the links in the show notes so
they can have access to it. And then how can
they sign up for your executive Intelligence Review, because that's
something that I get on a regular basis, and it's
information that you're just not going to get elsewhere. How
do they sign up for that?

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Well, it's interesting you said that Ray McGovern, who's been
working with us, was one of the briefers for Reagan
and Bush when he was a CIA analyst, and he
said the Executive Intelligence Review Daily Alert is the best
intelligence source available now. And this is interesting because in
nineteen eighty two, Norman Bailey, who is Ronald Reagan's National

(01:10:26):
security advisor, said the same thing. So we've been around
for fifty years, and it's now because it's online. It's
ten dollars a month, every week and weekly online edition
of the I'm in charge of the American Political intelligence
unit that writes for the EIER. We have associates around

(01:10:47):
the world who breaks stories every day and so people
can get that. Again, if you write to me, I'll
send you the link to sign up, Sarah, I think
you have the link to the ER online data.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Yeah, if you can send me an email the link
to sign up, I'll include that in the show notes
as well, Okay, and then they'll have links to your
articles and the sign up for the R. I think
it's important that it's information you're not going to get elsewhere,
and you need to have these. You need to have
data sources outside, you know. I I tell people, and
I get a lot of pushback a little bit from

(01:11:24):
my listeners. I'll even listen to NPR right, because I'm like,
I want to hear that other perspective. It cringes me
when I can hear the propaganda and it's so obvious
to me the propaganda, and that people can't tell because
they do it so well. But it's important that you
look at data from other sources. Otherwise you're not going

(01:11:48):
to be informed, bottom line, And you have to be
able to recognize when you're seeing and being fed propaganda
that we need a more and when I say we
need a more mature, we need a more astute, we
need smarter populace so that we can guide this freight
train towards freedom instead of tyranny.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
It's called critical thinking, and it used to be. If
you look at the founding fathers, look at the work
that they did with the Hamilton, Madison and Jay the
Federalist papers. They wrote about these things, They argued about it,
They discussed it in the barrooms and taverns in the
American Revolution. They weren't talking about who's going to be

(01:12:32):
the national football champion. They talked about what do we
have to do to establish freedom and the ability to
develop the critical capacity to think that will enable us
to be a successful Republic. That's where we have to go.
It's not impossible. I'm an optimist. I think that what

(01:12:56):
I've seen in my lifetime is people are willing to
do all sorts of degraded things to get along. But
when it comes down to a life or death situation,
you can count on Americans to be willing to fight. Right,
Sometimes they wait till it's too late. Hopefully this won't
be one of those times.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Well, that's what I'm worried about is because I think
this one is hidden, it's silent, it's not understood, and
I'm worried that it'll be too late to the people
that don't understand it. And the people who do understand
it need to step up because it's you know, we're
talking AI, we're talking sophisticated network systems or talking systems development,

(01:13:35):
we're talking about my background. And I'm very concerned because
so few people understand it, and I don't think the
journalists understand it. And I'm very concerned about it because
because unless we step up, we really will be in
a shitty situation where it could be really great. It
doesn't have to be bad, that's right. Yeah, that's why

(01:13:58):
I'm an optimist because I think it could be even better.
I mean, we could solve so many problems, but they'll
also use the solving the problems as a way to
help you usher in tyranny. So we have to be smarter,
more astute, and the indults need to get involved. That's right, right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
We could have stopped Russia Gate because we knew when
Trump first came in. Where did Russia Gate come from?
By the way, it came from GHQ, the British Intelligence.
They're the ones who came up with the whole story,
the Steel Report, Sir John dearlove of I sixter. We
could have cut it off at the pass, and it wasn't,

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and it set the country back another decade.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
It did, and now what's on the line is pretty
pretty big, and so we have to figure it out.
Thank you, Harley. I think you're going to be a
voice in the next decade here that everybody needs. And
so I just appreciate everything you're doing and I'm so
lad that you came back to the program.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
Well, thanks for the invitation, and it's always a pleasure
to talk with.

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