The Nickelodeon Nightmare - NWCZ Radio's Down The Rabbit Hole

A 24 hour network devoted entirely to young kids and preteens full of cartoon and live action content hit the airwaves in 1979.Full of bright colors, laughs, silliness and cartoons the kids would love! What could be wrong with that?Turns out... lot's of things. In this episode we look into the Nickelodeon network and all the things going on behind the scenes which made it's way onto the screen for all the kids to see.

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Speaker 3 (02:42):
Welcome everybody. NWCZ radio dot com channel ones down the
rabbit hole. I am Big D and I'm Brandon. It's
great to have everybody along. Thanks for joining us today.
I'm dealing with the dreaded summer cold, but I'm on
the downslide. I'm feeling much better. I just sound terrible,
so forgive that. I'll push through it. Hopefully by Wednesday,

(03:05):
when I do the midweek, things will be much better.
But for this episode, I apologize. You're just gonna have
to endure it.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
It happens, it happens.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, I hate summer colds more than anything. Winter colds.
You know, everything's cold. Outside you kind of feel it,
but summer colds when it's hot outside and you got
the chills, and the sun just it seems like it's
a searing ball of solar heat coming down on you
and you can't get away from it. Even the light hurts.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, yeah, it does, and they suck.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Want to remind you that you can email us down
the RH at ProtonMail dot com. Down the rh at
ProtonMail dot com. Speaking of we got an email today
and we've gotten a few because there's a major event
that just happened. I'm sure everybody's heard about it, although
we do have a lot of listeners who are not
here in the States and maybe the news hasn't caught

(03:58):
up to you, or you didn't know who Charlie Kirk was,
but here in the United States, Charlie Kirk was a
really big deal. He was a seminal figure. He was
not a politician, he did not hold office, but he
had a lot of sway and he was genuinely from

(04:19):
all accounts I never met the guy, a very very
good person as an individual, whether you agreed with him
or not, he believed in free speech. He would debate anybody.
He was always kind about it, and you may not
have liked his outcome. He may not have liked your outcome,
but his goal was to walk away shaking hands and

(04:40):
everybody just be cool. He was shot down and murdered.
He was assassinated. As what happened. And we've been asked
to give our opinion or our take on this, and
I'm going to tell you that on the midweek, the
one coming up, I will be addressing this. But as

(05:01):
somebody who has followed news forever and loves history and everything,
I like to let a story play out. Things are
happening so fast, and there's information coming in, new information
basically every hour, and so I mean, I could get
my opinion right now, my initial response, but I'm going
to reserve it all for Wednesday, and I will lay

(05:22):
it out then hopefully I'll have more information and we
can walk through it together. But Brandon won't be here
on the midweek. So I thought, Brandon, if you wanted
to chime in, maybe give your thoughts and did it
affect you? What did you know about Charlie Kirk, How
do you feel about it?

Speaker 4 (05:38):
I mean, it did it was one of those things
I didn't follow him religiously or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
But I did.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
I followed his channel. I would listen to him occasionally.
I'd listen to his debates and you know, everything he said.
One of the things that I really liked about him
was the fact that he when he debated someone, it
was never he wasn't insulting in any way. It was
just basically like, hey, this is what I believe, this
is what the Bible, you know, from being a follower

(06:02):
of God and everything else, this is what I believe,
and this is this is how it would be. And
he was very straightforward. I will be honest too. That
was kind of one of the things I was recording
yesterday or you know, Wednesday when it happened. And that's
probably one of the reasons why my my, my midweek
was so short, because during the recording, all of a sudden,

(06:24):
everything started going off saying it has happened, has happened.
You know that initially that he was shot, and then
that you know he he had passed away. It it
worries me because we are seeing more and more of
this violence, and it's bigger and bigger division now between

(06:45):
the left and the right because every time it happens.
It's you have people on the left that are rejoicing
about this, and you have people on the right that
are are getting, you know, very upset, which they should be,
especially the people that are rejoicing, and it is driving
a bigger wedge between the left and the right in
the United States. And I see this coming to ahead.

(07:11):
This is going to be one of the I think
one of the driving forces that pushes this left right
at battle.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
One of the things I'm going to talk about on
Wednesday before we get into today's topic. I'm not going
to go into it much right here, but one of
the things that you can prepare yourself for is there
has been a movement for a decade or more now
to redefine terms words that we speak, words that we
were all in agreement on what they meant. Yes, And

(07:41):
we have been told over and over again that those
words are malleable, they are ever changing, They can be
flipped on a dime, they can be this one minute
that the next. And what is happening here is as
a result of in a lot of ways that because
if you're being over and over again that if somebody

(08:03):
says something you disagree with, that is violence towards you,
then you can respond in a violent behavioral manner and
be justified because they're the same thing. That's what we
have been told is acceptable when it is not. The
redefining of these terms is really at the heart of this,

(08:27):
along with other things. But that is a major problem
that if I disagree with you somehow, that's some sort
of life altering violence towards you, and I'm erasing you
or I'm discounting you or whatever, and you can respond
with actual violence because what I said equates some sort

(08:49):
of violent act in reality. Yeah, and that's what happened
with Charlie Kirk, I'm afraid. So I'll be exploring that
and a lot of other things. But where we are
at right now, you are correct. We are at an
absolute crucial waterhead moment and it is going to be
up to people like us and those of you who

(09:11):
are listening, who are rational human beings as to which
way it flows from here now.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
And the one thing I will say is, I mean,
we see the left and everything like that, which it
is the far far left. Yes, that is saying this.
You know, I don't agree with the far far left.
I also don't agree with the far far right. You know,
I've always been more in the middle, probably lean definitely
lean right. But I see a lot of people, you know,

(09:41):
people sending me videos of a lot of like people
that were considered Charlie Kirk a horrible person, and you know,
what he did was wrong, and they are upset about this.
They're like, hey, this shouldn't have happened. They're like, I
didn't trust it. I didn't believe what he believed. We
disagreed fully, but this was not a reason to take
a life.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, and I will be exploring a lot of that
on the midweek because we are at a precipice. A
lot of people will say it's unprecedented. I'm going to
walk through that too. This is not unprecedented. Know your history, folks,
please know your history. This has happened before. I mean,
there was a moment in time in our history when

(10:20):
we had a president, a senator, a civil rights leader
shot killed, and bombs being planted at Washington, d C.
At the Republican headquarters, all in a very short span
of time. So again that doesn't diminish what has happened
here and where we're at in history. But I'm tired
of the rhetoric of oh, this has never happened before.

(10:43):
This is we're at a new precipice. No, we have
been here before, and we came out of it. We
came out stronger, and that's going to be up to
us to make that happen.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
I hope, So I hope we come out of it stronger.
And I think a lot of ways too. And this
is pretty much we my lasting I say on this.
I think part of the problem that you're running into
and that they're they're seeing, I think is the far
far left is starting to see that common sense is
starting to win out a lot of the things that
they put in place and the things that they've made

(11:17):
as you know, believe is supposed to be correct. People
are like, you know, it's not working. You're seeing more
and more when people are talking about the the FAFO
style of parenting and this whole new style of parenting,
and we're like, what do you mean new style? That's
how we were raised.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
I know this is the primal scream of a dying movement.
It really is. But at the same time, we're gonna
have to weather it, endure it, stop it, not be
a part of it. And demand it stop. So now
all right, let's get into today's topic, because what we're
gonna do is we're going to juxtapose what we did

(11:54):
last week with the Mickey Mouse Club and we're gonna
look at another kids network and the problems over there.
Because this is another thing that we have a big
issue with is people are always like, how did we
get here? How do people think this way? What is

(12:16):
wrong with the kids today? What's going on with society? Well,
when I was a kid growing up, we had Saturday
morning cartoons. That was it. Then a little later we
had maybe some cartoons in the morning, and then after
school you had maybe an hour or two and then
you had more of like Gilligan's Island, Adam's Family, and

(12:38):
that kind of stuff. But primarily the cartoons were on
Saturday morning and that was it. Then cable comes along
and now you have twenty four hour networks dedicated to kids.
And because they said, hey, these are kids networks, they're
dedicated to kids, their cartoons and they are quote eight

(13:00):
appropriate material. Parents sat their kids in front of these
networks and just let them be the babysitter or you know,
when mom or dad had to clean the house or
get something done. They would PLoP the kids down, Hey
it's Nickelodeon. Hey it's Disney, Hey it's Cartoon Network, and

(13:21):
they would allow them to absorb what was going on. Well,
there was a dark force happening at the same time
that was bending the minds of kids, and Nickelodeon was
no exception to this. And that's what we're going to
explore today because behind the scenes at Nickelodeon and even

(13:42):
on the screen were some amazingly crazily terrible things happening
that everybody just kind of ignored or didn't see, but
the kids did. Yeah. So I want to start by
dispelling a rumor or a myth that's out there. And
if you look into the dark side of Nickelodeon or

(14:05):
the problems with Nickelodeon, you're primarily gonna see a lot
of stuff about the documentary that came out, which we'll
talk about. But there's this weird internet theory going around
that Nickelodeon has some dark meaning the word Nickelodeon, and
somebody found that if you break the word up, the

(14:29):
Nickelodeon word into three different words, and you put it
into Google Translator and you choose Latin. It comes out
that something along the lines up I don't care about God,
or there is no God, or you know, without God
or something. There's multiple ones out there. I tried it.

(14:50):
That's not what it says. Even Google, which I don't
trust Google, but they have said it was there was
some sort of mistranslation thing going on. It wasn't correct.
I mean, this has been around for a while, so
this wasn't just started yesterday and the translator wasn't up
to date or whatever. So I want to talk about
what does nickelodeon actually mean? First, So nickelodeon actually goes

(15:15):
way back in time. There was a Greek theater called
the oidian. It's o idio in, which has translated out
into odeon, and now we have odeon theaters like a
theater chain. You can go to the Odeon chain of
theaters and watch movies. Well, what does that even mean? Basically,

(15:38):
it was the Greek word for this sort of roof
over theaters, an outdoor theater, like a clamshell type theater
where they had a or like the Hollywood Bowl where
they had an overhang and music was performed. And the
first use of the word nickelodeon was in eighteen eighty eight.
It was actually used in Austin at this museum and

(16:03):
it was owned by a guy named Colonel William Austen.
It was called the Dime Museum and it served up
cheap entertainment. It was those hand cranked I don't know
if you've ever seen them. They were like these flip
cards and you hand cranked it and the images moved.
It looked kind of like animation or whatever. Anyway, it
was basically nickel odeon. So you used the nickel to

(16:27):
watch the movie. And that's where that all comes from,
according to this that I looked at. The first motion
picture theater to use the name Nickelodeon was opened in
nineteen oh five by a guy named Harry Davis and
John P. Harris in Pittsburgh, and one could pay a
nickel to see a show in the movie or in

(16:48):
the theater, and it was supposedly the first theater to
exclusively show quote, moving picture spectacles. In the mid nineteen hundreds,
it was used for a jukee and you you will
every now and then see a jukebox called a melodeon,

(17:08):
remember this, Yeah, So you'd put your nickel in, you'd
play the forty five that was the Melodeon.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Now those ones usually on like tables.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yes, yeah, if you went to like the shake shop
or the even Dennis used to have them back in
the day. Yeah, a little bitty speaker. Okay, Well, here's
where it does get a little weird. And I will
admit to this, but I don't I think this is
just coincidence. But hey, make of it what you will.
The word nickel, of course, comes from the element, the

(17:40):
metal element nickel. The name of the element is shortened
from the Swedish copper nickel, meaning copper colored, or the
Swedish comes from the German coup for nickel, also the
name of the element, but literally translated as copper demon. Hey,

(18:01):
let's get even further. Nickel in German was a shortened
version of Nicholas, which was commonly used in German as
the name for the devil. And according to this even
in English and not like the United States, but like
over in England, the devil had been called old nick

(18:22):
and they say probably with influence from the Germanic saxon
water spirit neck in e. C. K. The element nickel
was called a copper demon because it was often mistaken
for copper, which was more valuable. The first US coins,
called nickels, were one cent coins that were made from

(18:43):
nickel in eighteen fifty seven to replace copper pennies, and
I used to have some of those. So this idea
that Nickelodeon is there's like to oh, it's a satanic
network and they're hiding it right in front of you. No,
that whole thing is a myth, perhaps a coincidence at best.

(19:03):
Nickelodeon was not unique to the network. It was cheap entertainment.
It was five cent movies. A lot of you probably
have never seen this, and when I was a kid,
they were way out of date. You had to go
to like a museum or an old what they called
a general store, and maybe somebody had won, and by

(19:25):
the time I was there, they were free because it
was it was an antique.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, and you meant that curiosity shop in Seattle, that's right.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
And you'd look in like these binocular type things that
was attached to the machine, and you would see this
wheel with basically a postcard and there were a thousands,
like a thousand postcards behind it, and you would turn
this handle and they would flip, you know, like like
shuffling through cards and the character on the cards would

(19:55):
appear to move, so you could go faster or slower.
And sometimes there were cartoons. Sometimes it was like a dancer,
and back in the day that was a moving picture.
That was movies for them, and it cost you a
nickel to watch it. So we're just going to dispel
that rumor before we get into the actual dark side,

(20:15):
because the dark side is way worse than Oh. The
meaning might be that it has something about, you know,
not believing in God, or God's not there, or something
that's a myth. With all that being said, let's get
into the dark side and the disturbing side. Frankly, of

(20:35):
what Nickelodeon was doing. I hesitate saying it's what they
were all about. However, it's not. I don't think that's
very far from the truth.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
I don't think so either, because I mean, it's one
of those things because like for us, I mean, you
were a little bit older than me, but for me
growing up, like watching the shows, I was like, hey,
there's nothing but now looking back, which I didn't see
a lot of them. Live action didn't really start until
after I was older, you know, But like all the
cartoons and stuff. I'm like, these are funny, these are great.

(21:07):
But now looking back, I'm like, yeah, those weren't age appropriate.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah. See, my daughters watched a lot of the live
action stuff. My oldest daughter loved Amanda Bynes show, and
I would watch with her occasionally and thought Abandon Bines
was amazingly talented. Yeah, but throughout history, cartoons have been layered.

(21:30):
I will I will say, when I was a kid
and you watched Bugs Bunny, or Rocky and Bullwinkle or
almost any cartoon, Flintstones, whatever it was, there were layers
of humor, and like The Flintstones wasn't even supposed to
be a kids cartoon. It started out on Primetime TV

(21:54):
as a mockup of the Honeymooners.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
It was for adults and the Flintstone if you didn't,
no one knew. It was the first time a married
couple slept in the same bed on TV.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's right. And they used to do cigarette advertisements. If
you've never seen that, look it up. There's advertisements. I
think it was for Lucky Strike. I'm not sure. But
where Fred and Barney and Wilm and Betty are all
out there smoking and talking about the joys of cigarettes.
So yeah. But anyway, then the Simpsons came along and
all these things, and there were layers of humor. I

(22:28):
can remember watching the Simpsons with my daughters, and of
course they thought the slapstick stuff was funny, and you know,
some of the catch phrases were funny and so forth,
and then something would happen that was definitely when I say,
adult humor, not inappropriate adult humor, but only something adults
would understand. Yeah, the experience and raising kids or whatever.

(22:51):
That was by design, and that was great because you
could watch it with your kids. They get the obvious humor,
and then there was this sort of subtle kind of
humor that you had to have experience in order to understand.
But it wasn't nefarious, It wasn't inappropriate. It wasn't something
where you would say, oh, I don't want my kids
to see that. Every now and then they would say

(23:14):
what are you laughing at? And you might have to
I can't really explain it because you're not there yet.
But it wasn't because it was something sexual or inappropriate.
I'll say now, Nickelodeon was.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
It was and I know you mentioned Cartoon Network, but
it always to me, seemed like Nickelodeon was supposed to
be like up to like ten years old, maybe a
little bit older, like preteen, you know that kind of stuff,
and like Cartoon Network to me was like teenager. Yes,
actually you would kind of get it, like Johnny Bravo
and some of those shows where you're like yeah, where

(23:50):
it made sense to like, okay, that makes sense to
a teenager. But Nickelodeon to me was always at like preteen,
where it was stuff that you shouldn't understand yet.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
It shouldn't even be addressed yet.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
No, and it shouldn't be addressed yet. None of the
stuff that just shouldn't be there.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
And especially through this medium of bright colors, cartoon characters
or even the live action, which was you know, over
the top acting and silly situations that these characters run
into and you know, frustrations with mom and dad, like
the usual stuff. Yeah, but that's not what was happening.

(24:30):
And there was a documentary that was put out a
while back called Quiet on the Set. It was quite
the revelation. Now I will have to give you full disclosure.
I've never seen the documentary. I didn't really need to.
I kind of knew a lot of what was going on,
and it just reconfirmed my suspicions.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Yeah, it was kind of one of the things for
me too. I didn't watch it, but a lot of
stuff I was reading, and a lot of stuff you know,
YouTube and podcasts they were mentioning it, and it pretty
much tells you what we've found through our research.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
If you haven't seen the documentary, or even if you have,
we're just going to go through some bulletin points of
what it covered and then we'll get deeper into like
Dan Schneider and some of the other stuff that was
going on, possible ties to Jeffrey Epstein and all kinds
of crazy things. But one of the things I found
interesting because this is something I did notice and I

(25:27):
think it escaped a lot of people. You had to
how do I put this? You had to be an
adult to understand this, I will say, so if your
kids were watching this, they wouldn't necessarily get it, but
the impression was imprinted on their mind. And there was

(25:48):
a actress in particular that came out during this documentary,
and her name is leon Frierson, very pretty, gal blonde.
She was one of the stars of all that and
also Katrina Johnson was and this was supposed to be
for ages ten to sixteen. Like you said, it was
sort of this kind of crossover time. Katrina Johnson, who

(26:13):
at one point said Schneider was her mentor, was kicked
off and was replaced by Amanda Bynes. But this Frearson says,
she always tried to be a trooper, get along, go along,
and was trying to just you know, maintain a job. Yeah,
and this is according to her. On All That, what

(26:34):
really made me feel the most uncomfortable were the leotards
and I do remember those. If anybody knows what cameltoe is,
it was very evident what they were doing to these
young girls and what they were having them wear was
absolutely inappropriate. Anyway, she says, I was just a growing

(26:56):
person trying to fit into my body and it was
just out there for everyone kind of looked it, and
Judge me I felt very overexposed, says. One week we
get a new script. There was a character for me
on All That named Noseboy, and it was a superhero costume. Well,
part of this costume was they put this tights underwear

(27:19):
and a prosthetic nose and an enlarged nose on the costume,
and he said, you know, once you looked in the mirror,
it definitely looked like a penis with testicles on the shoulders.
That was very very clear. Also things like this, just
a side note, this Katrina, They would the producers would
call her house. Again. This is where the parents weren't involved.

(27:42):
They weren't supposed to be there. They weren't supposed to
check in on their kids. Theer's supposed to just trust
the adults in charge. They had all their best interest
in mind. And this just kids programming, right, we're all
just having it's like a day camp. Well, they would
call her parents and say, hey, Katrina's getting too fat,
and we already have a fat one. She can't be
the fat one. At one point, her parents told producers

(28:04):
that she was in dance classes six hours a day
and there was nothing more they could do about her weight.
And when she hit puberty, the producers weren't happy about it,
how she matured, and they kicked her out. Now, I
get it. Some productions, you have a character. It's supposed
to be a certain way and a certain look. But
these are kids programming. This isn't This isn't a high

(28:25):
budget movie now. I mean, for instance, do you remember
there was a movie that Rosie O'Donnell was in, and
the name is Escaping Me. Anyway, there was a movie
that Rosie O'Donnell was in, and they filmed the movie
and it was a comedy and when the movie was done,
everybody moved on and the movie was shelved. When they

(28:47):
reintroduced the movie and they were going to get it
ready for public consumption, they needed to reshoot some scenes
and they had to get Rosie back to do these scenes,
and she had gained a ton of weight. Yeah, she
was like, hey, I've put on a lot of weight.
I don't know what do you want me to do
about it. It became a big deal. And so if
you watch that movie and you watch the early part

(29:10):
that Rosie's in and then the ending where they had
to refilm it, she's substantially bigger, noticeably bigger. I know
that happens in Hollywood, but this again is kids programming.
These are young kids, and they can't just let their
characters grow naturally into who they are and maybe transition
them out of the show. No, they're putting pressure on

(29:31):
these kids. And I find that disgusting because the pressure
then is related to your kids who are watching that
you need to look like this, and oh if they
get too fat, we got to get rid of them.
So you know that's that.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Yeah, which is it's tough because it's kids. It's one
of those things when you cast kids for TV show
that's going to continue for a while, you have to
be able to know that those kids are going to
grow up, so you have to be ready for that.
And I feel like that was one of the things
that they did that a lot where it's like, oh, no,
this kid's changing too much.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Another thing and I did not see this, so I
can't really weigh in on it, but there's a charge
out there. And this came about in this documentary that
there were racist sketches. Now, I know we tell you
definition of racism and everything now is completely different, but
according to this it was. It did definitely cross the line.

(30:29):
It definitely did seem a bit overboard. And this was
Brian Christopher Hearn starred in season seven and eight of
All That, and during his time there, he said he
despised the networks on air dare physically excessive activities was
often put in racist sketches. One character, for example, was

(30:51):
Little Fetus, the youngest rapper of all time, which was
a fetus, and while getting fitted, he said, someone said
the costume skin tone should be the color of charcoal.
He also said there were scenes set up for him.
He was the black guy on there, and he was
always the one selling drugs and he was going to
be the crack dealer. He said. We were at the

(31:13):
end of the scene. There was a man sitting there
who was the producer. Behind him was a young lady
massaging him. Brown said, why are we having adult jokes?
Are you showing the kids that Hollywood is a casting couch.
I was complaining too much. I became the odd ball
out they and they let him go because he was
noticing what Dan Schneider had going on behind the scenes,

(31:33):
and he was questioning it.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Never question people. If you question, that's when you know
they just get rid of you.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
And we'll get back to this guy in a moment.
But this individual named Brian Peck, who was and is
a horrible human being. Yeah, and we'll get into why specifically,
but this will tell you what you need to know
about this guy Peck. So Peck would have ash and
crew members come to his house. He would have barbecues,

(32:03):
you know, cookouts and stuff. And one time when they
were over there, some of the kids and everything, they
wandered into a room that Peck had dedicated to quote
vintage toys and comic books, and that his garage was
converted into a Planet of the Apes shrine. But amongst
all of this stuff there was an item that they

(32:24):
said was jarringly out of place. Quote. I noticed a
painting in the room that stuck out to me because
they had nothing to do with Planet of the Apes.
It was of a birthday clown holding balloons, and Brian
got very excited when I asked him about it. He
flipped the thing around and on the back it said

(32:44):
to Brian, I hope you enjoyed the painting. Best wishes
your friend John Wayne Gacy, who if you don't know
who that is, was a serial killer who dressed as
a clown poker the clown.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
And there's evidence and well I'm sure there's evidence, but
there is rumor that it wasn't just that that painting.
There was also correspondence, like they were like pen pals.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
There is proof of that. One of the gifts that
Gacy gave Peck this painting came as a result of
that correspondence. They were pen pals. Yeah, Sullivan said Peck
voluntarily and happily showed him the stack of letters and
a photo several photos Gaysey sent him that he kept

(33:36):
in the nightstand next to his bed. This is an individual,
and again we will get more into him in a moment,
But that's a setup as to this person's mindset on
a kid's network, dealing with kids on kids' shows.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
And he's glorifying a pedophile who killed at least what
is it, thirty three people and buried most of them
in the crawl space under his house.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, if you don't know the story of John Wayne
gay Same, he's one of the more notorious serial killers
in the United States. Not because of the number and
it's atrocious, the numbers awful, it's how he did it.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
I think have we done an episode on him?

Speaker 3 (34:24):
I think you did?

Speaker 4 (34:25):
I think I did.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
If not, that's one that definitely needs to go on
my list.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
But because he did this and this was a so
here's another thing that this happened a lot, and I'm
gonna give you the story. Everybody knows who Drake Bell
is Kay Well. His father is an individual known as
Joe Bell. When all of this stuff was starting to
bubble up to the surface and people were starting to

(34:51):
notice about Schneyder and Peck and all this stuff that
was going on, and all the weird things about Nickelodeon
that weren't adding a well, Joe Bell started talking about it,
started showing up saying I'm gonna watch what's going on here.
I want to know what's happening. And according to this,

(35:12):
Bell said, things started to change when the second season
of The Amanda Show moved from Paramount Studios to Nickelodeon
on Sunset. That's where he met Brian Peck. Despite how
many people applauded Peck as a well known coach who'd
worked for the likes of famous stars like Leonardo DiCaprio,
Joe said he always kept his son and Peck within
eye distance because he felt something was up. He noticed

(35:34):
something was weird about how he would unnecessarily touch his son.
At one point, even told the producer that he was
uncomfortable with Peck's behavior, and the producer told the father, Joe, oh,
that's because you're homophobic, he said. Peck wasn't gay just
because he was like a touchy feely guy. Ultimately, the

(35:57):
cast and crew began icing Joe Bell out of the
set and today Drake Bell realizes that Peck was praying
on him, but they basically kicked his father off the set,
wouldn't allow him in, and this repeated itself. Wasn't just
Joe Bell. Multiple parents have attested to the fact that

(36:18):
if you asked a question, or if you notice something,
or you said, hmmm, is that appropriate for this, or
they would watch the episode and voice a concern, you are,
all of a sudden person non grata. Don't call, don't
show up, and if you continue, we will ask your
kid off this show.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yeah, and you get that whole fear. I mean, you
want to protect your kid. But then at the same
time then it's like, oh, you know, and it sounds
bad to say this, but we've seen it with other
child actors because of the time commitment to get them
there and whatever. And also agreed in some cases that's
the entire family's income, is that child the actor. Parents

(37:00):
don't have jobs. They're just taking the kid to you know,
to the studio and doing everything else. So if that
kid loses their job. One they've lost their dream and
they're gonna hate their parent forever for that. And two
the parents lost their real ticket.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
So before we get into the i'll say, dirty details
of Peck and Snyder, let's look at this wild conspiracy
theory that Nickelodeon and Jeffrey Epstein are connected. Okay, and
then we're going to get into why this is relevant.

(37:35):
So there is a conspiracy theory that kind of connect
the dots. And this was way before all the bombshells
you know, dropped about Snyder and Peck. Here's how it goes.
At the height of the Epstein operations he owned. As
we all know, Epstein Island, Little Saint James. This is where, allegedly,

(37:58):
I'll say, but we all know the truth, most of,
if not all, of the sex trafficking crimes took place.
Some theorists suggest that the island's shape looks a lot
like the Nickelodeon Splat logo, but it doesn't end there,
And people say, well, that's you know, it's coincidence, and

(38:19):
that doesn't mean anything, and you can you know, you
can take that splat and put it anywhere. Okay, Fine.
In twenty twenty, a viral Facebook post suggested that the
address found on SpongeBob SquarePants driver's license is the same
as a building on Epstein's private island. Now, people will say, oh,

(38:41):
that's been debunked and it's false. But here's what this
post said. And it was made by a person named Shelby.
I'm not going to give their last name, but quote, so,
can we talk about why SpongeBob's address on his license
is the address for Jeffrey Epstein's pedo Island. This is
truly sick. All the cartoons are tainted by pedophiles. Our

(39:03):
kids are not safe. This is breaking my heart. And
then she shared a screenshot of SpongeBob's driver's license next
to the Google search results of Little Saint James Island
theme park on Epstein Island, and they're both one two
four con Street Bikini bottom. Now, Reuter's fact checked the
theory labeled it false because everybody wis you know, everybody

(39:26):
weighs in false snopes ever false false faults. But here's
the problem. The documentary Quiet on the Set that we've
talked about talks about Dan Schneider, who, by all accounts
it's a pedophile and it also talks about Brian Peck,

(39:51):
who is even more of one. Yeah, so let's tackle
Schneider first. Because Schneider is He's issued i'll say, a
really weak and watered down apology. It's pathetic, but he's protected,
there's no doubt about it. A lot of people said

(40:13):
he was demanding, vindictive, and you just look at him,
you can see that he had a lot of backing
in Hollywood, a lot of power people behind him, so
he kind of could do whatever he wanted. However, a
lot of the female writers, now we're talking adults, said
he was brutal, and one of them said, these were

(40:35):
people who were working on the Amanda Show, and this
was circa two thousand. Snyder frequently requested messages from the
show's female writers. Another a female writer who worked on
the show, wrote a letter as part of the case
in which she alleged that Schneider pressured her into giving
him massages, simulating sex acts, and so on. Another Nickelodeon

(40:57):
staffer has corroborated much of the inform while another anonymous
source close to Snyder said quote he regrets to ever
asking anyone and agrees it was not appropriate, even though
it only happened in public settings. Writers on Snyder's series
further said they were made uncomfortable by the showrunner's frequent
sexualization of the child actors working on the show, such

(41:20):
as pushing for them to wear revealing clothing filming sequences
that had sexual overtones. Other sources suggested that the executive
verbally belittled women, disliked working with female writers, and accusations
that the aforementioned source close to Snyder deemed untrue. But
I watched interviews with these ladies. Snyder would walk in

(41:44):
the room if he was unhappy with the script. He
would require these ladies to do weird sexual dances for him,
as like as an atonement thing. He would have them
do simulated sexual acts with the objects. I don't think
they ever had to undress. I don't think they ever
had to do it, but they had to simulate it.

(42:06):
This is the pervert that was working on this.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Well, and what bothers me more about that than anything
is I mean, people are like, oh, well, you know,
he even says he never did it in private, it
was only in public. That in some ways is almost worse.
I mean, you didn't have any like actual sexual conduct
with them, but you humiliated them.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
It is worse in my opinion, because we all know
the stories of you know, the casting couch that's done
Harvey Weinstein behind closed doors, you don't say anything. You
get them in a situation where you have power over them,
they're not going to say anything, and so forth, And
this has happened. What wasn't it Matt Lower that had
a you know, the lock button under his desk?

Speaker 4 (42:51):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah, anyway, if it's not Matt Lawer, I apologize, But
it was one of the famous, you know, newscasters who
would do inappropriate things and when the door would close,
he had a button that would lock it. Anyway, The
fact that Schneider would do it in public, knowing he
could get away with it, knowing that nobody was going
to do anything to him, speaks volumes of the power

(43:13):
that was behind him. He felt protected. Nobody does this
that doesn't have the approval of the powers that be,
whether it's the executives, Nickelodeon or whoever's around, whoever's over him.
They obviously were fine with it, and he knew that,
so therefore he could do it in public.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Yeah, and again humiliate him.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Again, go back you can find him on YouTube. I
don't recommend it. It's not pleasant to watch. It's the
fact it's creepy as I'll get out, and it's just
it makes you feel gross. But people have put together
compilations of the Amanda bind Show, all that, What's a
Josh and Drake or whatever, several shows that were running

(44:01):
during that time, all the weird and inappropriate clothing that
was worn hot tub scenes. There's one that's really tough
to watch where it's this girl on the couch with
the banana and this was all set up and done
by this Dan Schneider guy. And here's the theory, and

(44:23):
I buy it one hundred percent that Dan Snyder was
actually doing this for his pedo friends to watch in
and this was a nod to them, watch what I
can do. We can do this on cable TV on
a kids show. The situations that the kids would get in,
the positions that he had put them in, the clothing
that they wore. Even the kids at the time I

(44:46):
don't think understood, Like the ones that were on the set,
they may have felt awkward about it, but they didn't
realize what exactly was going on and how deep this went.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Yeah, there's an interview with Ariana Grande where she's on
Came Up, It's All That or one of the shows,
and she's in the bed and there's something like with
a potato. At one point she's sucking her own feet,
and I mean, I've seen part of the video and
even at the time she's like, yeah, I felt really
uncomfortable doing it, but I wasn't sure what it all meant.

(45:17):
And then later on watching it, I'm like, oh my god,
and even she was like, yeah, I didn't feel right
doing it. But they you know, you did what you
were told, or you would they would get rid of you.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Well, and they're like, it's silly, it's just funny.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
It's silly, it's funny, it's cute.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
It's just a potato, and it's just a banana. You know,
bananas are funny, you know. And that's how they sold
it to these kids. Their i'll say, moral radars would
go off and say something's off about this, but they couldn't.
They didn't have the experience. So this is where I
was talking about earlier, where parents and they were banking

(45:52):
on this, and it did happen a lot. Parents would
set their kids down in front of these shows because
they were kid based. They were fine, right, They're not
going to corrupt our kids. These are kids' shows, just
funny cartoons and stuff. Yeah, in the meantime, they knew

(46:13):
that and they took advantage of it. And then you
end up with guys like Brian Peck. Yeah, Brian Peck
as bad as Schneider was, and we're just scratching the
surfers with Snyder. We could probably do an entire show
on him. He was an awful human being.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
He is and like I said before the show aired,
it ruins in a way one of my favorite movies,
except for the fact that watching the movie now, I'm like, oh,
that's just who he really was, Yes, because he plays
like basically a perv and a weirdo and better op
dead and I'm like, oh, so he was just playing himself.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
He was just playing himself. Again, predictive programming showing people
in real time who you really are. I mean, that
is a real thing. So let's talk about Peck for
a moment, because Brian Peck, of all the accusations that
came out and all the proof that came out, Brian Peck,
this is the guy who was having the pen power

(47:05):
relationship with John Wayne Gacy, had photos of him and
had his clown painting. So this is this guy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
And one thing too, for anybody who's wondering, I looked
it up. He is in no relation to Josh Peck,
who was Drake Bell's co star on Drake and Josh.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
All of this really started if you go back into
the history of Peck in two thousand and three the
production of Drake and Josh, and this was a pilot
they were trying to launch this show. He attempted to
get cast as the father on the show, and that's

(47:46):
when things kind of started bubbling up as to, Okay,
what is going on here? Because Brian Peck, I want
to say, he was a loose kind of employee. He
would come and help, they would employ him for special things.
Wasn't like a full time Nickelodeon guy, but he would
kind of move in and then he'd go off and

(48:06):
work on movies, like they said with Leonardo DiCaprio, lots
of stars.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Yeah, he was one thing. I saw good friends with
Brian de Palma. So Brian to Palma would give him
bit parts in all of his movies.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
So Drake Bell was the first one to say there's
a problem here, and that was one of the actors
on the show. Quote he says, I knew that my
life was going to be absolutely going to be completely
different from that point on. I was sleeping on the
couch where I would usually sleep, and I woke up
to him. I opened my eyes, I woke up and

(48:41):
he was sexually assaulting me. And I froze in complete shock.
And I had no idea what to do or how
to react, had no idea how to get out of
the situation. What Am I going to call my mom
and be like, Hey, this just happened. Can you come
pick me up? I'll just sit here and wait. I
had no car, I didn't drive. I was fifteen. Belle
said the abuse became a secret that he was afraid

(49:02):
to tell out of fear of his career ending, which
is always the case, and through his auditions in dialogue coaching,
Bell ended up back at Peck's house often, so Pack
targeted this kid, yes, and by all accounts, he seemed
like a pretty innocent, nice.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Kid from everything I say, yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Know, I mean, it wasn't like he was from a
you know, a messed up situation and everything. He was
just a he was a kid, fifteen or whatever, and
so Brian Peck starts abusing him often. Well, where did
where would Brian Peck take Bell? Where would he where?

(49:45):
Do you just guess? Where would he often take him? Disneyland?
Of course, Disney Let's go to Disneyland. At this one point,
Bell was at his girlfriend's home visiting. Brian Peck called
his sa because he wanted to take him again to Disneyland,
but Bell ignored him. Quote, there was this time when

(50:07):
I was at her house and Brian had planned to
take me to Disneyland, and I was like, this is
not happening. I am not going no, and Brian's calling
my cell phone non stop. I was just ignoring it. Well,
he started calling my girlfriend's house non stop. So he's
a stalker too, and he's also afraid he's going to
get busted. Because he had lost control, Bell was able

(50:30):
to get Peck to admit to his crimes over the
phone with authorities listening. Peck was arrested on several charges,
not one, not two, multipole. Yeah. However, even after Drake
and Josh started shooting, Bell was distraught and started experiencing
hair loss from the stress. A kid, he's having a

(50:54):
nervous breakdown, ye Belle said, Dan Schneider was there for
him after he learned what Peck had done. However, what
he found out at the end of the whole thing
is Dan Schneider was covering for Peck. He was pretending
to be the guy to swoop in and go, hey,

(51:14):
it's gonna be okay, we're gonna keep this guy away
from you. And ever, he's the one who allowed it
to happen, and he was covering for his friend. How
do we know this because Brian Peck had loads of
supporters at his trial over this, this abuse of Drake Bell,

(51:35):
and Drake Bell's not the only one. This is the
only one that he got convicted over and the only
one that chargers were brought. But there were multiple kids.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Oh yeah, And that's the thing that sucks in all
these you know, there's multiple But then you get the
problem of you don't want to you speak up and
your career ends. Look at everybody who has spoken up
against you know, I've spoken up and said, hey, there's
this this whole thing in Hollywood of sexual abuse, and
where their careers are now.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
So here are some of the names if you're curious
as to who felt it would be appropriate to write
letters on behalf of Peck's defense, not to mention a
bunch of them, and none of these are named. I
can't find a list, but there were a bunch who
actually showed up at the sentencing in October two thousand

(52:30):
and four to defend him. In fact, quote, on the
day of sentencing for Brian, it was the most unbelievable
thing I've ever seen. His entire side of the room
was full. There were definitely some recognizable faces on that
side of the room. And my side was me, my mom,

(52:50):
and my brother. Brian had been convicted but getting all
the support from a lot of people in the industry,
and yeah, I was pretty shocked. Peck pleaded no contest
to t charges of sexual abuse lude Lasivius acts on
a child of fourteen or fifteen oral copulation under sixteen.
He was sentenced to sixteen months in jail and ordered

(53:11):
to register as a sex offender. But here's the thing.
There were forty one letters sent to the judge. The
judge's name was Michael Hoff. Michael Hoff, you should be
ashamed that sentence is insanely low. Shame on you anyway.

(53:33):
These messages were written by people like James Marsden, who said,
quote what Brian has been through is the suffering of
one hundred men. Somebody named Taran kill him, Alan Thick,
Ron Melndez, Joanna Kearns, writer Strong, Will Friedel, and tons more.

(53:54):
According to Strong and Friedel, they spoke at length about
this ordeal on a February nineteenth podcast in which they
said Peck myths characterized what happened. Here's what they said. Quote,
he didn't say that nothing had happened. So by the
time we heard about this case and knew anything about it,
it was always in the context of quote I did

(54:15):
this thing. I'm guilty. I'm going to take whatever punishment
the government determines, but I'm a victim of jail bait.
There was this hot guy, I just did this thing,
and he's underage, and we bought the storyline. Writer said,
I never heard about the other things because back then
you couldn't google to find out what people were being
charged with. So in retrospect, he was making a plea

(54:36):
deal and admitting one thing, which is all he admitted
to us. But it looked like he was being charged
with a series of crimes which we did not know.
And I'm calling beloney, because you were at the sentencing,
my friend.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
The ones that I mean, which some of them did
write letters, didn't go to the centencing. But anybody was
at the sentencing had to have known unless you're completely oblivious,
and back then, you you couldn't be playing on your
phone and use that as an excuse. I mean, you
had to have known what was happening.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
If nothing else. Let's say he did lie to you,
and oh, I was a victim of you know, bait
and switched. He told me he was older, and you
knew nothing about the situation or who the kid was
or anything. And you show up in the courtroom and
you become aware of it. Wouldn't you then go to
the other side and console that family or just leave. No,

(55:29):
these people all stayed, and a lot of them gave statements.
I'm not saying this guy did, but to do this
sort of mia culpa at the end, these are the
acts of a pedophiles and a pedophile network, because what
they are saying is I'm going to support you, back you,

(55:50):
because even if let's just say it was true that
this Peck character said he told he was eighteen. I
thought he was eighteen. It turns out he was younger.
Even if Brian Peck was no young guy there, he
should not even be in the realm of like even

(56:13):
picking up an eighteen year old. It's disgusting.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Well, and the thing is too, is I mean, if
you walked into that courtroom and you saw Drake Bell,
unless you were living under a rock at that time,
pretty which everyone knew who Drake Bell was, we've been like,
oh crap, that's an actor. But I mean it's one
of those things I you know, it's it's protecting each
other because the whole idea is they protect him. So

(56:38):
I would look at everyone on that list because they're
protecting him because they're hoping that later, if something happens
when they're charge of something, he can protect them.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
So what I couldn't find, you know, let's go back
to this Epstein connection theory. I could not find anything
that puts Schnyder or Peck on Epstein's flights or on
Epstein Island. Doesn't mean they weren't there, and I'm not
saying they were there, but this is where you get
theories like this, because this is a mess in Hollywood.

(57:10):
In fact, there's a person named rachel Le Boulet or
Blue or what it's b L l e Au. I
don't know who she is. I guess she's an actress
and she says this quote when people ask me if
I'm going to put my kids into acting, I literally
have zero zero thought before my no. And according to

(57:33):
this at the end of the Quiet on the Set series,
former child stars calling the industry to provide better protection
for child actors, citing the endless cycle of child stars
falling victims to drug, alcohol abuse, and sexual abuse and
everything as a way to cope with traumas. Why should
a kids show be traumatic? Now, it can be tough work.

(57:53):
You might have to grind it out, you have to
learn lines, you have to learn to do blocking, and
you have to be talented. I get that, But why
why should it be traumatic.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
Because the adults doing bad things as children?

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Yes, which relates and relays onto the program. And we
haven't even talked about the cartoons. I mean, we could
talk about cat Dog, which I like cat Dog. There's
a lot of things I like about cat Dog. Cat
Dog was never intended for a small.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Child audience, and its run and stimpy.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Yeah, absolutely, and ren and stimpy is the precursor to
a lot of what we see today. It was the
first one that was like weird, kind of gross, kind
of crude cartoons and so forth like that. And it
was not intended for kids in any way, shape or form, No,
not at all. But Nickelodeon thought, hey, this would be great.

(58:56):
We're gonna put these which is add you know, bright colors,
and we'll put it out there. The kids will like it,
and the parents aren't around, so they're not gonna know,
and we're just gonna put weird things in there. And
if they see it over and over and over again,
and they see on our live action shows, these kids
stars wearing inappropriate things, doing inappropriate things and it's funny. Oh,

(59:20):
it's so funny. Ha ha ha. And a lot of
times when they were doing that, if you go back
and watch it, there were adults on the set on
the screen, like in the scene with the kids, who
are laughing along. Yeah, you're so funny, You're so silly.
Let's jump in the hot tub, you know, come over
here and sit on my lap. It was never anybody

(59:42):
saying Hey, that's inappropriate. I don't think you know what
you're doing, and so, you know, let's tamp that down
a bit, which is what any normal adults should do.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Yeah, they should would.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Be like, I don't even think you know what you're doing,
but that's inappropriate. It One day you'll realize, but just
for now, stop doing that with the potato. So this
idea of children's cartoons and these networks, whether it be
Disney or Nickelodeon, we haven't even got into cartoon network.

(01:00:17):
Are they all bad? Are they all satanic? Should your
kids never watch anything on them? No, we're not saying that.
But what we're saying is is there are dark forces
that use even the most innocent things to corrupt, to reprogram,
to condition kids. And you have to be a part

(01:00:40):
of the process of what your kids are watching, what
they're being exposed to, what the messages are that's coming
across to them. It's imperative because otherwise we end up
with kids who you'll be like, I don't know where
my kids learned that? How did that happen? We don't
do that in our house. We've never taught that here. Well,

(01:01:02):
guess where they learned it? TV TV on a kid's network.
It's not even like back in the good old days,
as would say, where you had to sneak late at
night watching some crazy HBO movie you'd never heard of,
hoping to sneak a peak of something.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Skin a Max that was the place to go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Scan Amax again, people, you guys are old and you
just don't get it, and blah blah blah. Possibly you
are right on some level, but at the same time,
we talk about this slow march through the institutions, whether
it be education, government, this breakdown of society, breakdown of norms,

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social norms, breakdown of morals, breakdown of everything. They have
a bizarre fixation on kids, and the perverts take advantage
of that, and so hey, if it fits the cause,
we'll let them in and we'll let them do this
because those kids will never recover from that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
No, Well, what's like I said, I mean, look at
every actor you know or actress who has come up
and said, hey, this happened to me as a child actor,
and where their careers are I mean everybody. I mean
Corey Feldman I had an entire episode on the horrible
things that he claims happened to him. And that he
can prove happen to him and Corey Ham and the
other child actors during his era in the eighties, and

(01:02:30):
they blackballed him for it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Well, and look how messed up he is. Even if
he can't get back on TV. He's messed up. Britney
Spears messed up. Yep, we can go down the list.
They're all messed up. And it goes back further. I know,
we can go back through TV series after TV series
with the Brady Bunch kids. You just go all the
way back any child actors. This is nothing new. It's

(01:02:53):
just we didn't have twenty four hour programming that your
kids watched no where. It was like in their face
and disguised as such. And we'll close with this. My
kids watched a lot of the stuff on Nickelodeon. And
I'm guilty too because I would turn I would put

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it on. They liked the Amanda Byne show, whatever whatever
show was on, and I would stroll through the room,
pause for a moment, and watch. And it's not geared
towards me. I thought it was dumb, but hey, it's
for the kids, right, they like it. It's funny. Whatever
it is, it wasn't until I really sat down and said, Okay,

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why are they so interested in this show that I
started to figure out at the time something weird was up.
It was like it was like they were mesmerized by it,
and we were never mesmerized by our cartoons as far
at least not. I wasn't well, and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
I think the thing was too for us. It was
like you said, Saturday morning, you got up Saturday morning,
you watched your cartoons, and then you went out and played.
And then as I was older, I think bout the
time I had high school, they had the Friday afternoon
the tgiff or whatever. But it was like there was
cartoons and then like shows that were more for teenagers
than kids. But I mean, we didn't have all of

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this where now it's pretty much their mesmerize and they
sit in front of it and watch it, and I
mean it really makes you wonder, like the idea of
these shows and what they've been showing the kids, is
this where the morality of our country has started to
fall because of what they're seeing on these shows. And
like you said, they're seeing these kids wearing things that
they shouldn't be, you know, that are very inappropriate, doing

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things that are very inappropriate and everyone laughing. So these
kids now believe that's normal. So I think, you know,
for lack of a better thing. I hate to blame
the TV, but kind of makes you want about the
morality of our country and some of the things that
the kids have been watching and parents of what the
kids do. And I think part of it too is parents.

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Our parents ever let us sit in front of a TV.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Oh, for hours.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
They might, like, you got up early on a Saturday,
as long as you were quiet and didn't wake them
because they didn't have to work, you could watch your
Saturday morning cartoons. But as soon as those were over,
and as soon as your parents were up and they
had breakfast, get out.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Yeah, they would come. Turn the TV off.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
You're done, You're done, You had your time on the TV.
Go outside, get out, you know. And now parents use
the TV as a babysitter.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Yeah, it's quite sad, and I do think Nickelodeon has
done a disservice. I don't know what they're doing now.
I don't know even what's happened as a result of
the fallout of this. I do know that Snyder has
gone on to work at other places. I think even
Peck's been rehired, which is disgusting that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
The bad part is is, I will tell you right now,
packed as soon as he got out of jail, was
a voice did voice work for Nickelodeon on the Sweet
Life of Zach and Cody.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
So they really so they really cared about his situation. Yeah,
I mean that's.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Pretty much as soon as he got out of jail.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
That for me immediately pull the plug on that channel
and I would never watch them again or trust them
in any way, shape or form. But what do you
think about this? Are we a little over the top
on this? Because I do think this all rolls into
what we've talked about as far as the New World Order,
breakdown of society, breakdown of America, trying to just break

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down societies, and how do they do it? You target
all the institutions, and one of the institutions. One of
the ways is to get the kids. And we know
this is a goal of theirs, and we know they've
been after this for a long time and this is
part of it, and they're doing it in a very
very sneaky way. And a lot of people will defend

(01:06:43):
Nickelodeon or defend Disney or defend Cartoon Network and say, yeah, hey,
my kids love it. My kids aren't weird and they're fine.
I think you guys are overreacting maybe, but what do
you think? Email us down therh at ProtonMail dot com.
What are your thoughts on this? All right, I will
be with you on the midweek. I'll be talking about
Charlie Kirk and other things. I'm not going to do

(01:07:04):
the whole episode on him, but I'm going to do
a breakdown of how we got here, what this means,
and primarily what's what are we facing in the future
as a result of all of this. So whatever, tune
in or whatever, download that episode, and Brandon and I
would be back next week with the brand new episode.

(01:07:24):
In the meantime, I hope everybody has a great week.
I'm big d I'm Brandon. We're out of here. It's
a ladd.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Hi, everybody, it's me Cinderella Acts. I'm just listening to
the Fringe Radio Network while I clean these chimneys with
my guss livers. Anyway, So Chad White, the Fringe chow boy,
I mean, he's like he took a leave of absence
or whatever, and so the guys asked me to do

(01:07:59):
the network ID. So you're listening to the Fringe Radio Network.
I know I was gonna say it, fringe radionetwork dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
What oh jat? Oh yeah, do you have the app?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
It's the best way to listen to the Fringe Radio Network.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
I mean it's so great.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I mean it's clean and simple, and you have all
the shows, all the episodes, and you have the live chat,
and it's it's safe, and it won't hurt your phone,
and it sounds beautiful and it won't track you or
trace you and you don't have to log in to
use it. How do you get it fringeradionetwork dot com

(01:08:45):
right at the top of the page. So anyway, so
we're just gonna go back to cleaning these chimneys and
listening to the Fringe Radio Network.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
And uh so.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
I guess, you know, I mean, I guess we're listening together.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
So I mean, I know, I mean, well, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
I guess you might be listening to a different episode
or whatever, or or maybe maybe you're.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Listening maybe you're listening to it, like at a different
time than we are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
But I mean, well, I mean, if you accidentally just
downloaded this no. I guess you'd be Okay, I'm rambling, Okay, Okay,
you're listening to the fringe radio network fringeradionetwork dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
There are you happy? Okay, let's clean these chimneys.