August 18, 2025 • 66 mins
What became the most popular podcast for a while, even surpassing the Joe Rogan Experience, was all about autistic children who can communicate through E.S.P. and other non verbal means.Today we look behind the curtain at this show, those involved and the claims that are being made. Is it real? Is it a hoax? Can it be trusted?
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Welcome everybody inwcz radio dot com Channel ones down the
rabbit hole. I'm big d I'm Brandon. It's good to
have everybody along. Wow. Today we are gonna go after well,
I guess not after, but we're going to discuss what
was one of the most popular podcasts in the world
(03:06):
for a brief moment. They're still very popular, but there
was a moment in twenty twenty four where they became
the number one most popular podcasts in all of the
United States the United Kingdom, so much so that the
perennial number one, which is Joe Rogan, which I've never
(03:27):
quite understood, but he is and good for him, but
he had them on because he had never heard of him,
and all of a sudden they overtook him and he
was like, what the heck's going on here?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
But I mean, it's one of those things, and I
kind of like why I like Joe is Rogan in
some ways. It's not one of those things where he's
just like, oh, screw them and talk. It's like, no,
come on, let's talk about Let's see what's so great
about this. Let's see what it is, you know. But
like I said, he's a lot to me in my mind,
is you know Art Bell of our generator. I'm not argent,
but the new generation where he has people on and
(03:58):
half the time you can tell he's like, yeah, I
think this is crap and I think this is stupid,
but I still want to hear the story like Art
Bell did.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah. I don't have anything personally against Joe Rogan himself.
I just don't understand how his show because I don't
find him to be that great of an interviewer personally.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
No, I don't either. I mean I can't. It's one
of those things. It's not that I like it. I
just see him. He's in that role of the art
bell kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I completely understand that, but there's a lot of shows
out there that I would say are competing in that genre.
And Joe Rogan to me was just a guy who
you know, announced MMA or whatever and was kind of
a quasi stand up comedian.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Which is funny too because he'll even tell you. I mean,
I remember like watching an interview with him which someone
was talking about how you know people listen to him,
and he blah blah blah, and he did conspiracy theory.
There is anall Son and like look up to him,
and he's like, if you're looking up to me and
believing everything a comedian like me says, then you you're
the problem. Yeah, I have mad stories.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I have absolute respect for Joe Rogan. I'm not pooh
poohing or even downplaying his success. I'm just saying for
me personally, I can't listen to I've never listened to
a full episode. I can't do it.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I haven't either because it's just I agree, I don't.
His style of interviewings doesn't work for me. I've never
quite enjoyed it. There's a couple others like that that
are really big ones that people are like, Oh, this
guy's great, and I go listen to it and I'm like,
I want to hang myself. I'm like, it's just I can't.
(05:34):
It's it's the same way when i'm looking, you know
and researching, you know, like researching this and then researching,
you know, my midweeks and stuff like that. And sometimes
I'll listen to the podcast while I'm running and all
that stuff, and some of them, I'm like, I don't
understand how these people are even popular. It's like they
don't know what they're talking about, and they're full. They
just their voices are whiny, and most of them just
(05:55):
whine about what's happening in politics today. And it's like,
I don't care about that. I want to know about
the topic.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
But see, this is why we don't want to be popular.
And probably people say the same thing about our podcast.
In fact, we know they do. Oh yeah, we don't.
We don't care. But you know, when you put yourself
out there, you open yourself up to this kind of criticism.
And again, I have a lot of respect for Joe Rogan.
I think it's great when he does. I remember when
(06:20):
the top dog was Adam Carolla for a long, long time.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
My wife still listens to him.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, I watch him on YouTube. I enjoy him in Spurts.
I don't listen to an entire show of Adam Carolla either.
I don't know why I like him, but it just
sometimes when it's so long and it just drags on
and it seems but that's not the topic of the
day today.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I just remember him on Loveline, so.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, him and doctor Drew. Yep.
I did listen to that on the radio because there
were breaks, right, they would go to commercial break and
so you could. It was sort of in Spurts, but
with Joe Rogan and even now with Corolla, where it's
like two hours, three hours of just constant talking just
going on, and I don't know, maybe my brain just
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can't take it.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I don't know that's why we can't. I've tried really
hard to keep it to like an hour. I've had
a couple of shows where I busted into like two
or three episodes because I'm like, I just anything more
than an hour, and even for me, I'm like, okay,
I'm done.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, And we've had a lot of people say, how
come you don't have longer shows. Why don't you do more?
We'd like to hear more, which we're flattered by, but
I'm not gonna do that. We're not going to do
a two hour marathon, three hour marathon, multiple shows, a
show of day, every day of the week. It's just
people get tired of you. I would get tired of
(07:38):
doing it. I don't want to get to that point.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
So what we're talking about today though, are the Telepathy Tapes.
And if you're not familiar with the Telepathy Tapes, this
is a podcast that is kind of based on a
book that was written by this doctor and her name
is Diane Hennessy Powell, and she teamed up with this
(08:03):
Kai Dickens for these video podcast blogcasts however you want
to put it. And it presents non speaking autistic kids
that claim they have some sort of telepathic or paranormal
abilities to communicate and to talk to each other or
(08:26):
talk to their parents or talk to others nonverbally. Yes,
that's the whole thing. Yeah, But we're gonna break it
down and we're gonna get into some of the details
of this because I did a deep dive on this.
Dianne Hennessy Powell and a little bit on Kai Dickens,
but primarily on Powell, and I went to their website,
(08:50):
which is the Telepathy Tapes dot com and behind a paywall,
they have a bunch of what they call conclusive videos
that will blow your mind and you really shows what's
going on and there should be no doubt in your
mind once you watch these. So okay, I bit. I
paid the ten dollars and I watched them, and I
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came away with the opposite of what they were claiming
I was going to see there.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Well, I think of what they're hoping for is anybody
who's typically anybody who's going to go there and pay
the money to see this to see their mind blown,
is going in there with the tie with an already
set mind frame of this is real. They're not going
in there with like this is crap. I want to
see what. I want to see what their evidence is.
(09:40):
It's like when people go to like a circus, you know,
and go see the freaks. You go in there with
the idea you're paying because you either believe it or
you don't, and you want to go in and either
prove it or unprove it. So once you go in there,
you're like, oh my gosh, look it's a mermaid. No,
it's a fish and a monkey put together. That's what
it really is. But you know, and that's what I
(10:01):
think it is in this case. In a lot of
cases and a lot of stuff I listened to, it's
a lot of like they went in with the idea
that this is real, and I'm only going to present
and show and look at the evidence that proves my point.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So I want to back up for a moment. I
believe I referred to Kai as a he. Kai is
actually a she. Okay, Yeah, Kai Dickens is a female.
And Kai Dickens heard Powell doctor Powell on some other podcast.
And Kai Dickens is supposedly or bills herself as a
(10:36):
documentary or documentarian or whatever. And I looked at her
credentials and what she has done, and she really hasn't
done much. Honestly, I wasn't like blown away by her work.
So she, in my opinion, has been looking for something
that will bring fame to her. Yes, I think that's
(10:56):
pretty evident. I don't think I'm speaking out a line there.
And if we had Kai on, I would guess she
would agree with that. Yeah, because she she just saw
this as wow, this is interesting. I heard this doctor.
I think we can put this out there and maybe
make some money on it. Because even I read something
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where she this Kai Dickens, she said that she's a
quote science nerd and she's not even really into or
believes in paranormal this, that or the other thing. But
through you know, of course, through filming this, she has
become a believer. Well, yeah, because that sells. You can't
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you can't do all of that and then come away
and go yeah I did that. And we went through
this whole season or two seasons, and I still I'm
calling bs on it. All that doesn't sell.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
No, it doesn't. I mean that's one of those things
that always gets me is when you get those things
that you know and how many times have you heard
that on you know, somebody who did one of these
directed the documentary and then it comes back and says, oh, hey,
I was a non believer, but then after going through this,
I suddenly started believing, because like you said, it's not
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going to self. I'm like, yeah, I was a non
believer and then I went through this and yeah, it's
all bullshit. Nobody's going to buy that.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
So let's set this up. If you haven't heard it
or you haven't seen clips, because there are free clips
that you can watch on YouTube or TikTok or wherever.
Promotional kind of sensational, you know where, Like you're going, Wow,
that's incredible. I can't believe that. I got to go
check this out because that's what it's designed for, is
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to bring you in. No pole, you can.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Watch the whole like you're not watch but listen to
the podcast for free on like anything. So there's a
Telepathy Tapes podcast where they talk about it and everything else.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It all started with this book that does doctor Hennessy
Powell wrote and it was titled The esp Enigma, The
Scientific Case for Psychic Phenomena. And then she went, of
course on a speaking tour about this. She got really
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interested in esp. Now let's back up a little bit.
Even before that, she was a licensed doctor. She has
had her license yanked at least once, and there's debate.
I've heard it it could even be as high as
three times from different places. And she has a real
(13:34):
disdain for any kind of medical board or any kind
of institution that I will say holds her feet to
the fire. As far as research, as far as any
kind of proof or any kind of peer reviewed anything.
When she wrote that book, she even said at the time,
(13:57):
quote most scientists are close minded and they don't think
outside the box. She also admits that a lot of
her stuff is not quote scientifically provable, right, So in
a sense, it's either you believe it or you don't.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, which get a lot with a lot of pseudo
science type things. Oh, it's not scientifically provable, and then
they'll give excuses as to why it's not and why
the fact that it's not is because of the short
sightedness of the scientific community. They don't want to admit
that they're wrong so that it can't be proven. But
(14:39):
there's nothing on their website and nothing in the podcast,
nothing referencing what evidence the scientific community has shown that
what they're doing is wrong and they're they're wrong in
their findings. They just say, oh, they just they don't
want to admit that we're correct.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Here's some of the company that she keeps, which I
think will give us a clue and an insight into
who she actually is, this doctor Diane Hennessy Powell. Because
when she wrote this book, she had, you know, several
doctors who come in and they will write a review
or so forth. One of them was a guy named
(15:21):
John Mack who was a Harvard professor of psychiatry who
wrote a book in nineteen ninety four called Abduction Human
Encounters with Aliens. And he was a huge alien abduction believer. Okay,
no problem there, but he's not seen, as I will say,
a serious scientist, so again it's you believe it or
(15:44):
you don't kind of thing. There was another guy, Jeff Tarant,
psychologist who occasionally will join the podcast, and he relies
heavily on the EEG tests, which is a brain way
brain scan and test. And according to this article, although
the EEG machines add an air of science to the proceedings,
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nothing definitive can be learned about telepathy from looking at EEG's.
Almost any pattern of brain waves can be rationalized to
fit a pre existing belief, and the evidence suggests that
Arant has such a pre existing belief. He authored the
book in twenty twenty three, Becoming Psychic Lessons from the
(16:30):
Minds of Mediums, Healers and Psychics. Oh and so then
Diane Hennessy Powell wrote a review of his book, You
know like, Hey, this is a great book and so forth.
He's also the founder and director of the Neuromeditative Institute
in Eugene, Oregon that offers services such as Psychedelic Integration Therapy,
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catamiine assistant therapy, and vibroacoustic therapy. Then there's a guy
named Rupert Sheldrake who she runs around with and does
a lot of talks with. He holds a PhD in
biochemistry from Cambridge. According to his curriculum, Sheldrake worked in
biology early in his career, but for several decades he's
(17:13):
been a proponent of psychic phenomena. In nineteen ninety nine,
he wrote a book Dogs that Know when their Owners
are coming Home and Other Unexplained Powers of Animals. In
two thousand and three he wrote the book The Sense
of Being Stared At and Other Aspects of the Extended Mind.
And in twenty sixteen he published a dialogue in Skeptic
(17:36):
Magazine with this other guy called Arguing Science, a Dialogue
on the Future of Science and Spirit.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah, this is one. They mentioned him in the podcast
and he talks in the podcast. I believe because I
remember the whole thing about the dogs when they know
you're coming home. That he did a whole test on
like how the dogs knew as soon as the person
said they felt like they were coming home, the dog
would move closer to the door. But then if something
happened when they had to go back to work, the
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dog would know and suddenly like go back to what
they were doing until the I'm like, huh.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I know, and one of the big in my mind,
one of the big I'll just say bombs that tells
me this. There's a lot of things off with all
of these telepathy tapes in this entire theory and philosophy
they have about these autistic kids, and we'll get more
into why, like the minutia of it. But the Center
(18:35):
for Inquiry Investigations group, it's a it's an actual group.
They have a CSI chief Investigator's name is Kenny Biddle,
and he has offered up a five hundred thousand dollars
challenge to anyone who can demonstrate psychic ability under controlled conditions.
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And the telepathy tapes have been hit up by people emailed.
I've seen it in their chats, I've seen it in
the comments. They know it's there and they will not
pick up the phone they will not go for the challenge.
Wouldn't you think half a million dollars would go a
long ways in promoting and helping with the research and
(19:23):
getting the word out if this was actually real, if
they could prove it. But they have not accepted the challenge.
To me, that's a major red flag.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
You would think. But it's one of those things too,
is that I'm sure they have some excuse, like whatever,
the the grounds, the way they're doing it, it wouldn't
work for their whatever. There's always an excuse. There's always, oh,
you know, the format that they do, it would be
traumatizing for the children, or there's something always, so just
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hear what their excuse is, or if they're just ignoring it.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
No, I agree, they won't address it. They refuse, they've
never brought it up. They act like it doesn't exist.
People have tried to call them out on it. Of
course not on their show because they don't take calls
or read emails or anything like that. But I've seen
them respond to other things in some of their chats
and stuff, but they completely ghosts that ignore it, skip
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over it. They don't even want to know what's there.
Here's another thing that I found interesting and alarming at
the same time. And I could send you the list.
I'm not going to go through them all, but over
thirty professional and advocacy organizations worldwide, and they're all the
big ones. Okay, this isn't just some little clinic in
El Paso, Texas who's writing a statement. These are major
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professional and advocacy organizations, including the American Psychological Association and
the American Academy of Pediatrics. They've all written statements position
statements against the use of this facilitated communication as they
call it on the telepathy tapes. All of them have said,
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not only do we not see any proof or find
any proof of this, nor have you shown us any
to where we might even be curious, but we find
it to be dangerous.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah. Well, and this is how they kind of get
away with this too, is because they call it two
different things. They say facility facilitated communication is the old
way they use what they call spelling.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Now, yeah, and who's providing who's providing the spelling to
these people?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Well, it's the the autistic people obviously.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah. But according to several things that I heard and
I read from the doctor and on the telepathy tapes.
There's some grand master somewhere that's feeding them this stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yeah, they're they're able to the Other thing that was
insane is they kept talking about the hill.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's what I'm talking about. It's like there's some guy
on a hill.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Well, that's also where they go to congregate. They like
they go and this is, by the way, the hill
is doesn't exist in a normal plane. It's only in
their brains. And they can go to this hill and
all the people that can do this telepathy. Plus if
you you know, normal minded or normally or normies or
whatever the heck they call.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Them, Yeah, they can also go to the hill.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
There's a few of them if they're special, can go
to the hill. But it's pretty much that you can
go to this hill and you can talk to the
other people that can do this telepathy, and that's where
they learn. That's why some of them suddenly know languages
that they shouldn't know. They know all these things that
they shouldn't know. But I don't know. The whole thing
that gets me is like anytime there's been a problem,
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they're like, oh, obviously this person was helping. Oh that
person wasn't trained correctly. The person that was being their
facilitator wasn't trained correctly. That's why that one looks like
they're moving the board around so they can you know,
touch it, or that they're doing the writing for them.
There's always an excuse for it. But then most of
the videos, I mean we talked about this, you see
them like moving because that was the whole ied. The
(23:19):
facilitated communication meant they held their hand and helped them
point because most of these people that have this autism
isn't just nonverbal. They also have problems with motor skills
and stuff like that, so that they needed assistance, right.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
So to be clear, when we talk about this hill
and we talk about these people who are instructing them,
that's on some psychic plane we're not talking about. They
go to a hill somewhere. This is on some other
plane that you can visit if you tap in right,
and the doctor claims she's been there and witnessed all
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of this, and it is amazed by how it happens,
and it's a great spirit or it's I can't remember
what they call him, but it's the man on the
hill or whatever he is who's in charge of all
of this. They all gather and congregate there. So this
is not something that we could go and they do
it down at the local lodge. This is in some
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spirit realm.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah. They claim too that this person that they're going
to see is God in a sense, and that God,
there is a God, but the God is different, like
a combination of all of them.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, it's not the biblical God. It's a God that
encompasses all the gods that man has they claim made up.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yes, but this one person. But then at other times
I heard them mention that there was multiple gods. And
it's like, okay, keep with your if you're going to
make up your own deocracy, like keep it, you know,
keep it straight.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
So this one article I was reading, I found this interesting,
and this is in ions dot com. They were talking
about this whole thing, says. It's worth noting that doctor
Powell has not yet published a peer reviewed article on
this subject that has been carefully evaluated by experts in
the same field. This process ensures that the research is accurate, credible,
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and meets high scientific standards. During peer review, independent experts
check the article for sound methods, logical conclusions, and relevance
to the field. The process acts like quality control, filtering
out weak, flawed research, and it goes on to explain
more what peer reviewed article it is, and she refuses
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to do this, And again we've hammered the scientific institution
for COVID, and I still believe all of that. However,
I am a big believer. And if you're going to
make some wild claim like this and claim it in
the name of science, but you're the only one who
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understands it because you're the one who discovered it, and
nobody else will get it. And if anybody says anything
contrary to your theology or philosophy about it, it's because
they have an agenda or they're out to get you,
or whatever it is. I'm super skeptical of you.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And I think that's what they're banking on. They're banking
on the fact that there's people like us, you know,
and others that have seen what science has said, you know,
and we don't completely agree with everything that scientifically happened
during COVID, And we're finding out now that most of
what we said in thought during that time it was correct,
(26:43):
as scientific stuff has started coming out. But like you said,
when all of a sudden there's like, oh yeah, well,
I won't even submit to peer reviewed. Even the stuff
during COVID you could find peer reviewed stuff about what
COVID really was, what the vaccines really were. People were
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still trying to figure it out. And this one, she's
completely going against everything because every time someone who is
actually scientific and looks at it with a scientific method
in any way, they see the flaws, and she knows
it'll never pass the scientific you know community, nobody's going
to pass this. But then her excuse is, oh, it's
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because you know, they're against this. They don't want it
to be true, because this is the next evolution of man,
is this ability to be you know, used telepathy.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
The other thing I find interesting too is this Kai Dickens,
the co host kind of I guess she's the host,
but she kind of acts as a co host. She's
a yes woman. Yeah, she's a hype woman. She never, ever,
not one time, questions the veracity of what she's supposedly witnessing.
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She's constantly in awe, U, it's amazing, it's that's wonderful.
My mind is blown. I can't believe what I just saw.
That's her entire job, never once to say that's weird.
That the parent had their hand on the person's head
and was moving it, or had their hands on top
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of their autistic child's hand on a keyboard and they
were pushing, you know, pushing their fingers down as they
type something. Never once is why why aren't they just
sitting there by themselves?
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Because and that was the thing they even they covered
that in the podcast where they mentioned that, oh, sometimes
so that the child can be what was the way
they so they can be grounded to our reality. They
needed someone to be touching them, a parent to touch
them or something or do whatever to help ground them
(28:52):
to our reality. But I mean, there's so many ways
that you can find communication. I mean, hell, the Houston
Astros forget how to cheat by beating on guard garbage.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Can't hey calm down now, that's my team.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Had to throw it out there. But I mean it's
one of those things. I mean, you can communicate in
so many ways. I mean with blinking, with you know,
hand movement, you can say, oh hey, if it's the
blue cran, I'm gonna squeeze with my middle finger. If
it's the the yellow cran, I'm gonna use my thumb,
or I'm just gonna turn your head to which direction
to go with. I mean, it's there's so many ways.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, let's break it down into a few of these
examples that I watched, and I think you can find
bit clips of these, but you can't find them in
their entirety because you have to pay to go behind
the paywall. And again it's only ten bucks if you
want to spend it, spend it. I did it so
you don't have to. And what I witnessed and what
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I saw on there was parlor tricks. And again file
it under. If you believe this, you're gonna see what
you want in order to reinforce your believability of it.
But if you look at it with a open mind,
skeptical eye, with a little bit of uh, you know, skepticism,
(30:09):
or maybe a lot of skepticism, you will see the opposite.
Because to me, I've seen better magic tricks. Yeah, to
where you're like, well, I don't I do not know
how they did that, but these I'm watching it and
I'm going it's obvious what's going on here? But the
illusion is the parent who's crying because they're so happy.
(30:30):
You have the doctor who's smiling and going nodding along, Yes,
this is what I've discovered. And then you have this Ki,
the podcast hosts slash documentarian, who is amazed by it all.
It's the hype person, you know, like, well, it's so unbelievable,
and so I think a lot of people get caught
up into the emotion of it and not actually watch
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what's going on, which to me is a slight hand movement.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah, which is on purpose. I mean, it's one of
those things. It's how many times, all of a sudden
they get all hyped and like, oh my gosh, and
then something you're looking away from what just happened. I mean,
it's they want don't want you to see the illusion.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
The first one I want to talk about is there's
this guy. He's a he looks like he's a teenager.
And again, none of these autistic kids supposedly can speak,
or they haven't spoken forever. Apparently they hear, so you
assume they understand English, but they just can't communicate. And
(31:32):
that's it's all different levels, but primarily none of them
can speak or communicate verbally. And then from there it
goes into all different realms. Some have more motor skills
than others. But this guy is sitting there and his
mom sitting next to him, and she has a like
an iPad type thing that has multiple UNO cards on
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the screen, and this doctor is standing behind them. She
shows this UNO card and it says number two, which
the guy, the young man, can't see, but the mom
can't see. So then the mom holds this board up
in front of him and he's supposed to point to
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one of the cards on the screen, that is the
one that the doctor's holding up. Yes, this mom moves
this board around like somebody and I forgive me for
saying this, but like somebody with Parkinson's, this board can't
stay still to save its life. And as the kid is,
he's kind of shaking his finger as he's sort of
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pointing down to he's going to point and put his
finger on the screen. He's all over the place. So again,
if I'm to believe this, that pad that the mom
is holding, this iPad should be on a desk, nobody's
that kid should be able to point right down onto
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that card. And then, okay, maybe there's some believability. But
even then, because I think there were six cards on
the screen, that's pretty good odds that you're gonna hit
the right one, and trust me, if he didn't, they're
not going to include this. No, they're not going to
show you that. But the mom's shaking the pad, the
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boy's handshaking, and then he finally lands on the right one,
and they all act like he just won a gazillion
dollar lottery. Mom's crying every the whatever, Kai Gal, She's
jumping around. It's unbelievable. And the doctor's got this smug
look like see, I told you, told you I was right.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Well, like I said, that's the thing is because they say,
whoever the facilitators, facilitator has to be trained to do
it correctly. And it's like, I get the idea of
the autistic child because a lot of times when they
have these things, they do have some motor skill issue
and stuff like that, but the parent should be able
to hold still or at least, like you said, set
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it down on something solid and then if their hands
shaking a little bit, Okay, I get the child's but
why does it seem like you're moving it around so
they can touch the right spot.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah. And the biggest one, the one that really just
turned me off to this whole thing where I mean,
there is zero credibility. Here was the psychic test, and
I think it was the very first one, and I
would just be curious what the b roll looks like.
How many takes did they have to do of this?
(34:37):
What did they not include because you can tell it's
jump cutted several times. Yeah, this is not just hey,
we're gonna set up a camera and we're gonna let
it roll, or we have three or four cameras and
we're just moving, you know, like frame to frame to frame,
but it's all in real time. That's not the case here.
But there's a blindfolded girl and she's sitting at a
desk and there are I don't know, four or five
(35:00):
colors of popsicle sticks, and she's blindfolded so she can't
see the color of the popsicle sticks. Now, her mom's
sitting next to her and she's holding her chin or
like the side of her face. She has her hand
on the side of her face. So they hand this
girl the popsicle stick and they're telling her what order
(35:22):
she's gonna put them in. So you're gonna put them
in red, yellow, blue, green kind of thing. So they
handle the popsicle stick and the girls just holds it
and you can see the mom move her head left
or right and in fact there and I'm surprised they
kept us in there because there's one moment where it's
(35:44):
I think it's the third popsicle stick. It's either the
second or the third, where you can see the mom
really wrenching on her head because the girl's kind of stuck.
She's just holding this popsicle stick. She doesn't know where
to put it down. I think it must have been
the third one, and the mom just is it's obvious,
(36:06):
she's like yanking her head. I think it's to the left,
and finally the girl starts moving it over and then
when the mom stops, she puts it down. It's a
parlor trick. I'm sorry. If you watch that and you
believe what's going on, fine, but I'm telling you right
now it's not real.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I don't think it is either. It's one of those things.
It's it's too easy to fake it. And the fact
that they won't let anybody else do anything, like they
won't let another scientist come in and say, okay, cool,
let me come in and run my own tests. You
can be there you can help set it up, but
(36:50):
I want to be there to monitor observe, you know,
if there's any inconsistencies, we can step back and take
a look at them and try and you know, deal
with them like you see a parent doing that, like, hey,
can we get somebody else to Oh no, the parent
needs to be because that's the only time it worked. Well,
then there's a problem.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
And I also want to know how come nobody in
the room there and there's only three there's I think
there's a cameraman or somebody. Obviously there's probably more than that,
but behind the scenes, because you got the mom, the
daughter or the son depending on which episode you're watching.
Then you have the doctor, and then you have the
the host. Kai all this stuff's going on, nobody bothers
(37:31):
say hey, can we can you do that again? Is
it possible without her hand on her daughter's face?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
But they have to so she's connected to this world.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And that is pseudoscience to the end degree. There is
no way you can prove and or even disprove that
if those are the boundaries of the test, okay.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
And I think that's why they won't do anyone else,
because boundaries that they have it's specific to a point
that anybody else doing their task, it's gonna be like,
these boundaries don't work. We need to do this differently
for this to be legit, and they're gonna be like,
oh yeah, we can't do that because you know, the
parent has to be there to touch to ground there.
(38:19):
And I think that's what the word they basic said,
the grounded. But for whatever reason, because that was something
that they brought up, because I was thinking the same thing,
why why don't they have somebody else facilitate But it
was like, oh no, the parent has to be there,
And then it makes me question like, okay, if the
parent has to be there, then it's so much easier
to to cheat it.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
So there is a website called Facilitatedcommunication dot org. I
went over there to see if they had anything to
say about this, because apparently this is a thing, which okay,
because that's how a lot of these autistic kids and
or kids who are struggling to learn. This is how
(39:02):
they learned. They put up a they'll have ABC you know,
the abcs on a board and if they're nonverbal, they
will say point to the A. They point to the
A they you know, and what's a cat and so
this is a thing. According to their site, it says
controlled studies are used to determine authorship and facilitated messages.
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Simply observing the pairs as they type or analyze written
output inadequately addresses how much control each individual has over
the typing activity. Individuals with disabilities can and have successfully
participated in controlled studies without exhibiting undue stress, with facilitators
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reporting the sessions were completed as expected. Overwhelmingly when facilitators
are blinded to test protocols, these studies demonstrate that it
is the facilitators and not the individuals with disabilities, who
are controlling the written output. That is, according to Facilitated
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Communication dot Org, you blindfold them, you direct them, you
put your hand on them, you guide their hand. That
is not the kid, no, And that's that's from a
group who advocates the use of it.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
And that's the problem that they ran into is they
have so many times and they even said, oh, if
it was whenever someone's questioned the podcast, you know, the
people in the podcast question what they're doing with the
celebrity tapes, that's what they Oh, it was someone who
wasn't trained correctly, but at the same time, it's like
hath stuff you're doing according to you know other people
(40:49):
who do this, you're not doing it the same way.
But that's also too why they try and say they
are not part of facilitated communication.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
They do spelling according to this website Facilitatedcommunication dot org.
And I'd be glad to send it to you if
you're believing in this, because I do know on the podcasts,
on these telepathy tape podcasts, they will talk about all
these people like one hundred or more who confirm, who believe,
who have seen it, and so forth, but they won't
(41:19):
talk about there's probably three or four times that more
than those who say this is all junk, it's bunk
and we can prove it. They won't mention those. Well,
according to this website, they're all cataloged, and I'd be
glad to send them to you, and you can plow
through them yourself, because I read through several of the
(41:42):
articles where they are addressing this and not specifically even
the telepathy tapes, just this practice in general. See the
telepathy tapes have made this popular, but this theory has
been floated around as far as like they all have
ESP and a lot of it goes back to our
star Seed, our star Seed episodes that we talked about
(42:04):
all these kids who supposedly have developed somewhere in some
psychic star planet somewhere, who got dropped down here and
have special gifts and they actually are way better than us,
we just don't recognize it. And their hair, Yeah, they're
here to send us a message and elevate us to
the next plane and all this stuff. This is all
(42:27):
part of that. This doctor is trying to bridge that
gap of Okay, we may not understand these kids. They're
not really autistic, that's a label we've given them. They're
actually way more evolved than we are and in touch
with this psychic field where they can go to and
(42:50):
learn these things, and they know multiple languages, and they
can communicate with each other through brain waves and ESP
all this kind of stuff, which none of it is provable,
and the only way she can prove it is by
doing these weird demonstrations, because again, how do you prove that.
Let's say I have an autistic child and Brandon, you
(43:11):
have an autistic child. There are hundreds of miles apart,
maybe never met. How do I prove that my autistic
child is communicating with yours and yours is communicating with mine.
There is no way.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Because they spell out things that they shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Know, right, She claims, this is the case. Yeah, But
the only way that Brandon and I could prove that
would to do this facilitated communication, where I sat down
with my child, you sat down with yours, and we
controlled them. Well, I know Brandon, and I know your
kid's name, so I could easily manipulate my child to
(43:52):
type out your child's name having never met them. And
then she would say, well, but they all get together
up on the big hill with you know, with God
or whatever, and that's where they connect.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Yep, they're up on the hill. This isn't the parents
doing it. It's them up on the hill. Didn't you
listen to the tapes?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
I did.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
So.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
According to this one article, I thought this was interesting,
it says. In the Telepathy Tapes, the producers provide seven
episodes of heartwarming stories of psychic communication before briefly addressing
the critics of these techniques, and in the first third
of episode eight, titled The Gatekeepers of Truth, they interview
a man named Joe, who was described as a special
(44:34):
needs minister from Highland Church in Arizona. Joe characterizes the
research evidence this way quote, I actually looked at some
of the academic literature on this, and what I found
was forty or so negative papers which were earlier on
in the process, back in the nineties. Then at one
point the spellers improved their methodology and you find later
(44:58):
on there's like over a hundred papers that are now saying,
wait a minute, we miss something here again, But they
don't mention the hundreds and hundreds of other papers that say, nah,
this ain't happening. We see no evidence, crap, no proof.
(45:20):
She's refused to come in and do any peer reviewed
work or study or even demonstrations. There's been no public
demonstrations of this. This is all well choreographed, well organized,
and again jump cut if you don't know what that is,
that means they stop, they start again, they edit. That's
(45:42):
a jump cut, and you'll see it when you see
it like commercials, it's just like jump jump, jump jump,
because they're having to edit something out or whatever they're doing.
If this was actually real, in my opinion, they would
just set up a camera in a room. She wouldn't
even be in the room this doctor, nobody would be there,
(46:04):
and they would put a whether it's iPad or a
chalkboard or whatever, with multiple answers. They're in another room, undisclosed,
maybe behind a you know, two way glass or one
way glass or something. Hold up for one camera. Okay,
here's the number two UNO card. And then they called
(46:25):
in to I'll just say, you know, Brian, Hey, Brian,
go up to the board or you know the boards
on your desk, point to the card we're holding up.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
They won't do that because, like I said, they keep
saying they had excuses for am it. Like I said,
there was the whole apparent needed is to calm them
or to ground them or whatever. But I mean there
was always something, some reason. And you see this with
this kind of stuff all the time, right, It's one
of those things that they know, upon review by an
(46:57):
actual scientist that this is going to be proven wrong,
because then they go in the whole thing of the
heartstrings of oh, you know, these parents going to the
school saying, hey, look, my kid wants to be involved
in this because they can do this, and the schools like, yeah,
this has all been proven wrong by the scientific community,
and they're like, oh, they're just against us.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Well, And I also feel bad for these parents who
are watching this because I found on Instagram several parents
who are watching this and believing all of this, and
they're showing their own little videos of them supposedly communicating
or using this type of communication with their kids, and
(47:40):
they were all, in my opinion, super sad. Like. There
was one of this father who's holding his son's hand
and he's got like a pencil or a piece of chalk,
I couldn't quite tell. And he's holding a board in
the other and in the other hand like his hand,
and he's telling his son, hey, point to you know whatever.
(48:02):
I think there was a squirrel or a bird, and
it was obvious that he had control of his son's
hand and was moving to the picture and he's practically
in tears. Is I can't believe you're talking to me?
And he hugs him, and you know, and the kid,
I mean, bless the kid. He doesn't even know what's
going on. He's just staring straight ahead. He's not happy
(48:25):
about he shows no emotion or anything. And the father
just wants to believe in any way, shape or form.
And I don't blame him. I don't blame the dad.
I don't know what I would do in that situation.
I would hope, for hope that at some point my
kid would show some emotion, give me a hug, say
dad whatever. I get it. But to set up a
(48:50):
situation like that to prove.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
It, well, I mean I can see as the parents,
I mean, you want, you want to believe that your
kid's in there. And that's the big thing that they
kept using. It that these kids are trying to say,
I'm in here, I'm here, I exist, I'm in here
they might be. And NINE think that's the thing that
gets me the most is I mean, I've known a
lot of people that had kids that were autistic on
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this level, and the idea that your kids in there
and that they're really talking to you or communicating to you.
With these parents who've never been able to communicate to
their kids because of their autism, I could see the
hope and the dream of being able to do it.
And you're gonna draw grasps at straws. And that's what
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this lady's hoping on. She's hoping on that she's praying
on that hope and that fear.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
I agree, and it reminds me of something that just happened.
And if you have not seen this, I highly recommend
you watch it. It's creepy as I'll get out. I
find it sad and extremely disturbing on multiple levels. Jim Acosta,
who is or was a TV host. He has his
(50:03):
own podcast, video blog thing right now. He did an
interview with an AI generated image of and I'm not
going to name this kid because he's dead. It's a
kid who was shot at one of the famous school shootings.
So his parents have worked with some techie guy and
(50:25):
created an AI image of this boy and you can
it's everywhere you can see it. Jim Acosta does an
interview with this AI generated image of this kid, and
he acts like he's talking to him, calls him by name,
ask him, Hey, what's your favorite team? What do you
(50:46):
think about gun control? And it's just it as creepy
as all get out. But what's even worse. What's even worse,
in my opinion, was on the on the backside of
this interview, they were talking to the boy's dad who's alive.
The mom and dad are alive because they were asking
why did you do this? You know, why do you
have this AI image? A lot of people there's backlash
(51:08):
on it, and he said, well, you know, we want
our boy to live on. This is how we can
do it. And his mom talks to him for hours
every day. So mom talks to this AI generated image
of her son for hours every day. See this, I
(51:30):
think is part of the danger of all of this stuff,
outside of the pseudoscience and obviously the weird sort of
esp new ag aspect to it all. One of the
problems I really have with this is we are so
conditioned to not accept human emotion anymore, which includes pain, suffering,
(51:54):
getting through things, hardship, bad times which make you stronger.
Then nobody likes going through them. Nobody likes loss, nobody
likes having to go through transition. And I know this
because my brother when he was eighteen and I was
twenty one, he was killed in a car wreck. It
(52:14):
was awful. My parents went through hell, strong Christians, but
it almost wrecked their marriage because the grief process is
different for everybody. It changes life. You sometimes don't think
you can go on, and it causes all kinds of problems. Well,
this AI generated thing is now has replaced that with well,
(52:39):
he may be gone, but I can see him on
a video screen, I can talk to him. And I
think the same thing is happening with these telepathy tapes.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
I think so too, because I mean there's even one where,
I mean, if you're listening to the tapes, one of
the kids involved in the telepathy tapes dies during the
whole thing, and there's a whole thing where they talk
about how the other kids knew it before it happened,
and that he knew what was happening and this was
all he knew. He needed to move on and to
evolve or something, and so it wasn't an accident and
(53:10):
the mom was all okay with it now because of that.
But you know, and that they can talk to the
dead like that, they were having conversations with people that
had died years ago, and you know, all this other stuff,
and I'm like, oh and another one. Yeah, there's a
lot of way.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
It's always after the fact. Yes, nobody came to her
while that child was alive and said, you know what,
we've been talking to him on the other side, and
we've been on the hill with God and whoever else
is over there, and this is what's coming. Prepare yourself. No,
it's always after the fact. Oh yeah, all the kids
(53:49):
knew it. They knew this was coming. Well, how did
they know? And how come nobody said anything? That to
me is another one where it's like this is part
these are parlor tricks. I remember there was a wave
in the late nineties early two thousands is James von
Prague and a bunch of people who would go on
Oprah and Doctor Phil and all of those who claim
(54:09):
to talk to the dead, and they would pick somebody
out of the audience and say, your dad's talking to me,
and this is what he wants you to know. And
it was all very general, nothing specific, or if it was,
it was mentalist type tricks, you know. So they would say,
I'm sensing a country road. Does that mean anything to you?
(54:33):
With like a big tree, Oh my dad. My dad
grew up on a little country road and had a
favorite tree. But you'll notice in situations like that, if
they're like kind of hesitant, he'll he'll switch, you know,
And it's in the city and it's off on like
they are fishing. But they're very skilled at it. They're
(54:53):
very very good at it, and you don't even know
what's happening. Yeah, oh yeah, and that's what's going on.
That's what's going on here.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Yeah. You watch those videos of stuff like that back
in the day, and it was all of a sudden,
like I'm sensing someone named Ed. They'd be like, oh,
my dad's name was Ed. Okay, cool, Now I've got
someone on the hook. Now let's fish some more. You know,
and you watch them and it's all leading questions. It's
all things that you know.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
Or pre research. There's always that too, and that happens
a lot. And that happens also. I know a lot
of people are ge get pissed off at me on
this one. But in this day and age of supposedly
all these profits in the church who are amazing and
they know everything and they can pull people out of
the audience, it's the same trick. Go back and look
at Peter pop Off. Go back and look at all
(55:44):
of the so called profits who could pick people out
and tell them what disease they had. They all filled
out cars, they were being fed through an earpiece. Now
they just look it up on TikTok or social media,
write it down. They know who's there. Yeah, this is
not random, not random at all. But again, let's go
(56:06):
back to the beginning. This is if you want to
believe this, you're gonna believe it. You will see what
you want to see. And I think that's why this
podcast fell so hard from being number one. I think
everyone was intrigued by it. Wow, this is crazy. Everybody
(56:29):
knows somebody who's autistic, and are they really using esp
as This something that we can all do, because that's
what they kept saying, we can achieve this too. It's
the next evolution, It's the next evolution. Be ready, be prepared.
This is what's coming. They're showing us the way. Well,
who doesn't want to learn about that? And then everybody
(56:52):
figured out, oh well most of them did. Most people
figured out these are parlor tricks. There's nothing real here.
But the people who have hung onto it and who
still defend it and back it, ye want to believe
it because it fits some need that they have to
(57:14):
either feel good or be comforted, or to believe that
they can be better or that that are they're the
new aging people who are like, yes, this is coming
and this is another wave and it just reaffirms what
we've all known, and we're just so excited because we're
about to push forward to the next level, and so
(57:36):
they have all hung around, but they've always been there.
This is just the next big thing.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
It's the next evolution.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
So I'd be curious to our listeners because this was
recommended to us by a listener this topic. Before this,
I had read about the telepathy tapes. I had never
gone down the rabbit hole. I never listened to one.
I certainly at that time it wasn't gonna pay ten
bucks to watch some videos. But I did, and I
(58:06):
went in with an open mind. I am a skeptic,
and I am naturally skeptical. Yes, so I'm being honest
about that, but I try to go in with my
eyes wide open, and I am open too. There could
be some level where, I don't know, autistic kids communicate
through well, I don't know if it's ESP or whatever,
(58:27):
but it could happen. We all have all had deja
voo moments. We've all had moments where you know, like
your dog notices something's going on way before you did,
or you're thinking about somebody and all of a sudden,
they call we call those coincidences. But there may be
something more to it. I don't know. I don't think so.
(58:47):
But watching this, listening to this, doing the research on
all the participants, I have come away and stream non believer. Yeah,
not just a little, not just you know, well, maybe
there's some possibility. No, this is a grift, one hundred
(59:12):
percent grift. And it makes me sick because it's on
the back of people who want to believe that their
kid is special, that they have some sort of mental
connection with a nonverbal child. They're craving some sort of connection,
(59:35):
and this is a false connection that they're being offered.
And in fact, if you really want to get into it,
I do believe that they are opening themselves up to
dark forces that can enter into this situation because they
all believe they're talking to some spirit, that they're off
(59:55):
in some spirit world that they're using esp almost like
sometimes when I'm watching them point this stuff out, it
reminded me of people using Wuigi boards very much so,
where they're just kind of hovering this pin around and
they're pointing to things and spelling stuff out, and I'm like, man,
I don't know, looks like automatic writing or Ouiji board
(01:00:17):
type stuff. They're talking about being on a mountain, on
the psychic plane and all this stuff. I was like, yeah,
I'm very uncomfortable with that now.
Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
And then one thing is when I first went into it,
I kind of went and tried to go into it
with an open mind, and I listened to a few
of them. I'm like, Okay, okay, I can kind of
see it maybe maybe maybe, And then you really then
you start looking at the evidence, you start hearing some
of the other stuff, and you're like, Okay, they're only
talking about the good stuff, which to me is always
a red flag. It's a red flag if you're only
(01:00:46):
talking about the data and everything else that proves your point. Okay,
where's the other stuff? Where's the this stuff that you
know gives me the other side? And there was none
of that. And then I was like, okay, well, maybe
this is one of those ones where this lady really
believes it, so she's seeing this and everything else. But
the more I listen to it, I honestly feel like
(01:01:06):
this is a gript on her part. She just wants
She wanted to be whatever, both her and the Kai,
both of them just wanted to be basically famous for something.
I feel like, and they're writing the coattails of these
children and using them.
Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
I highly recommend you go to doctor Diane Hennessy dot
com do a deep dive on her. I could do
an entire show on her. She, in my opinion, is
well disturbed, and I find her and this Kai Gal
who's a total griped she. I don't think she believes
any of this now, but this doctor Diane Hennessy actually
(01:01:46):
does believe this, and I think she's kind of crazy
and maybe stone cold crazy.
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
So do a deep dive on her. If you are
tending to believe that this is I challenge you to
go behind the curtain, look into the characters involved, look
at what they're involved in, what they've done, how they've
been basically excommunicated from anything that I would consider normal
in the scientific field. And rather than take some criticism
(01:02:20):
or actually bring forth the proof and go you make
fun of me all you want here, it is no.
It's all hidden behind cameras, jump cuts emotionalism, and I
find that disturbing and disgusting on multiple levels that they
would hide behind these autistic kids to make huge amounts
of money and give false hope to people who are
(01:02:43):
already hurting. Because once the camera stop rolling, do you
think they hang out with these people? Do you think
they invite them over for dinner? No, they're gone, purpose
served see you later. Let's go cash our check.
Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Pretty much.
Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Anyway, that's the telepathy tapes. I'd be curious what your
thoughts are on it. You can email us down the
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Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
You got the midweek I do, I do, and I
think it's gonna be where we're I'm gonna stick to
the same kind of theme I've been going on and so.
Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Well people are loving it. So keep that up and
we'll be back next week with a brand new episode.
In the meantime, I hope everybody has a great week.
I'm big d I'm Brandon. We're out of here.
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Welcome everybody inwcz radio dot com Channel ones down the
rabbit hole. I'm big d I'm Brandon. It's good to
have everybody along. Wow. Today we are gonna go after well,
I guess not after, but we're going to discuss what
was one of the most popular podcasts in the world
(03:06):
for a brief moment. They're still very popular, but there
was a moment in twenty twenty four where they became
the number one most popular podcasts in all of the
United States the United Kingdom, so much so that the
perennial number one, which is Joe Rogan, which I've never
(03:27):
quite understood, but he is and good for him, but
he had them on because he had never heard of him,
and all of a sudden they overtook him and he
was like, what the heck's going on here?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
But I mean, it's one of those things, and I
kind of like why I like Joe is Rogan in
some ways. It's not one of those things where he's
just like, oh, screw them and talk. It's like, no,
come on, let's talk about Let's see what's so great
about this. Let's see what it is, you know. But
like I said, he's a lot to me in my mind,
is you know Art Bell of our generator. I'm not argent,
but the new generation where he has people on and
(03:58):
half the time you can tell he's like, yeah, I
think this is crap and I think this is stupid,
but I still want to hear the story like Art
Bell did.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah. I don't have anything personally against Joe Rogan himself.
I just don't understand how his show because I don't
find him to be that great of an interviewer personally.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
No, I don't either. I mean I can't. It's one
of those things. It's not that I like it. I
just see him. He's in that role of the art
bell kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I completely understand that, but there's a lot of shows
out there that I would say are competing in that genre.
And Joe Rogan to me was just a guy who
you know, announced MMA or whatever and was kind of
a quasi stand up comedian.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Which is funny too because he'll even tell you. I mean,
I remember like watching an interview with him which someone
was talking about how you know people listen to him,
and he blah blah blah, and he did conspiracy theory.
There is anall Son and like look up to him,
and he's like, if you're looking up to me and
believing everything a comedian like me says, then you you're
the problem. Yeah, I have mad stories.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I have absolute respect for Joe Rogan. I'm not pooh
poohing or even downplaying his success. I'm just saying for
me personally, I can't listen to I've never listened to
a full episode. I can't do it.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I haven't either because it's just I agree, I don't.
His style of interviewings doesn't work for me. I've never
quite enjoyed it. There's a couple others like that that
are really big ones that people are like, Oh, this
guy's great, and I go listen to it and I'm like,
I want to hang myself. I'm like, it's just I can't.
(05:34):
It's it's the same way when i'm looking, you know
and researching, you know, like researching this and then researching,
you know, my midweeks and stuff like that. And sometimes
I'll listen to the podcast while I'm running and all
that stuff, and some of them, I'm like, I don't
understand how these people are even popular. It's like they
don't know what they're talking about, and they're full. They
just their voices are whiny, and most of them just
(05:55):
whine about what's happening in politics today. And it's like,
I don't care about that. I want to know about
the topic.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
But see, this is why we don't want to be popular.
And probably people say the same thing about our podcast.
In fact, we know they do. Oh yeah, we don't.
We don't care. But you know, when you put yourself
out there, you open yourself up to this kind of criticism.
And again, I have a lot of respect for Joe Rogan.
I think it's great when he does. I remember when
(06:20):
the top dog was Adam Carolla for a long, long time.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
My wife still listens to him.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, I watch him on YouTube. I enjoy him in Spurts.
I don't listen to an entire show of Adam Carolla either.
I don't know why I like him, but it just
sometimes when it's so long and it just drags on
and it seems but that's not the topic of the
day today.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I just remember him on Loveline, so.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, him and doctor Drew. Yep.
I did listen to that on the radio because there
were breaks, right, they would go to commercial break and
so you could. It was sort of in Spurts, but
with Joe Rogan and even now with Corolla, where it's
like two hours, three hours of just constant talking just
going on, and I don't know, maybe my brain just
(07:06):
can't take it.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I don't know that's why we can't. I've tried really
hard to keep it to like an hour. I've had
a couple of shows where I busted into like two
or three episodes because I'm like, I just anything more
than an hour, and even for me, I'm like, okay,
I'm done.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, And we've had a lot of people say, how
come you don't have longer shows. Why don't you do more?
We'd like to hear more, which we're flattered by, but
I'm not gonna do that. We're not going to do
a two hour marathon, three hour marathon, multiple shows, a
show of day, every day of the week. It's just
people get tired of you. I would get tired of
(07:38):
doing it. I don't want to get to that point.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
So what we're talking about today though, are the Telepathy Tapes.
And if you're not familiar with the Telepathy Tapes, this
is a podcast that is kind of based on a
book that was written by this doctor and her name
is Diane Hennessy Powell, and she teamed up with this
(08:03):
Kai Dickens for these video podcast blogcasts however you want
to put it. And it presents non speaking autistic kids
that claim they have some sort of telepathic or paranormal
abilities to communicate and to talk to each other or
(08:26):
talk to their parents or talk to others nonverbally. Yes,
that's the whole thing. Yeah, But we're gonna break it
down and we're gonna get into some of the details
of this because I did a deep dive on this.
Dianne Hennessy Powell and a little bit on Kai Dickens,
but primarily on Powell, and I went to their website,
(08:50):
which is the Telepathy Tapes dot com and behind a paywall,
they have a bunch of what they call conclusive videos
that will blow your mind and you really shows what's
going on and there should be no doubt in your
mind once you watch these. So okay, I bit. I
paid the ten dollars and I watched them, and I
(09:11):
came away with the opposite of what they were claiming
I was going to see there.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Well, I think of what they're hoping for is anybody
who's typically anybody who's going to go there and pay
the money to see this to see their mind blown,
is going in there with the tie with an already
set mind frame of this is real. They're not going
in there with like this is crap. I want to
see what. I want to see what their evidence is.
(09:40):
It's like when people go to like a circus, you know,
and go see the freaks. You go in there with
the idea you're paying because you either believe it or
you don't, and you want to go in and either
prove it or unprove it. So once you go in there,
you're like, oh my gosh, look it's a mermaid. No,
it's a fish and a monkey put together. That's what
it really is. But you know, and that's what I
(10:01):
think it is in this case. In a lot of
cases and a lot of stuff I listened to, it's
a lot of like they went in with the idea
that this is real, and I'm only going to present
and show and look at the evidence that proves my point.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So I want to back up for a moment. I
believe I referred to Kai as a he. Kai is
actually a she. Okay, Yeah, Kai Dickens is a female.
And Kai Dickens heard Powell doctor Powell on some other podcast.
And Kai Dickens is supposedly or bills herself as a
(10:36):
documentary or documentarian or whatever. And I looked at her
credentials and what she has done, and she really hasn't
done much. Honestly, I wasn't like blown away by her work.
So she, in my opinion, has been looking for something
that will bring fame to her. Yes, I think that's
(10:56):
pretty evident. I don't think I'm speaking out a line there.
And if we had Kai on, I would guess she
would agree with that. Yeah, because she she just saw
this as wow, this is interesting. I heard this doctor.
I think we can put this out there and maybe
make some money on it. Because even I read something
(11:17):
where she this Kai Dickens, she said that she's a
quote science nerd and she's not even really into or
believes in paranormal this, that or the other thing. But
through you know, of course, through filming this, she has
become a believer. Well, yeah, because that sells. You can't
(11:37):
you can't do all of that and then come away
and go yeah I did that. And we went through
this whole season or two seasons, and I still I'm
calling bs on it. All that doesn't sell.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
No, it doesn't. I mean that's one of those things
that always gets me is when you get those things
that you know and how many times have you heard
that on you know, somebody who did one of these
directed the documentary and then it comes back and says, oh, hey,
I was a non believer, but then after going through this,
I suddenly started believing, because like you said, it's not
(12:10):
going to self. I'm like, yeah, I was a non
believer and then I went through this and yeah, it's
all bullshit. Nobody's going to buy that.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
So let's set this up. If you haven't heard it
or you haven't seen clips, because there are free clips
that you can watch on YouTube or TikTok or wherever.
Promotional kind of sensational, you know where, Like you're going, Wow,
that's incredible. I can't believe that. I got to go
check this out because that's what it's designed for, is
(12:37):
to bring you in. No pole, you can.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Watch the whole like you're not watch but listen to
the podcast for free on like anything. So there's a
Telepathy Tapes podcast where they talk about it and everything else.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It all started with this book that does doctor Hennessy
Powell wrote and it was titled The esp Enigma, The
Scientific Case for Psychic Phenomena. And then she went, of
course on a speaking tour about this. She got really
(13:11):
interested in esp. Now let's back up a little bit.
Even before that, she was a licensed doctor. She has
had her license yanked at least once, and there's debate.
I've heard it it could even be as high as
three times from different places. And she has a real
(13:34):
disdain for any kind of medical board or any kind
of institution that I will say holds her feet to
the fire. As far as research, as far as any
kind of proof or any kind of peer reviewed anything.
When she wrote that book, she even said at the time,
(13:57):
quote most scientists are close minded and they don't think
outside the box. She also admits that a lot of
her stuff is not quote scientifically provable, right, So in
a sense, it's either you believe it or you don't.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, which get a lot with a lot of pseudo
science type things. Oh, it's not scientifically provable, and then
they'll give excuses as to why it's not and why
the fact that it's not is because of the short
sightedness of the scientific community. They don't want to admit
that they're wrong so that it can't be proven. But
(14:39):
there's nothing on their website and nothing in the podcast,
nothing referencing what evidence the scientific community has shown that
what they're doing is wrong and they're they're wrong in
their findings. They just say, oh, they just they don't
want to admit that we're correct.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Here's some of the company that she keeps, which I
think will give us a clue and an insight into
who she actually is, this doctor Diane Hennessy Powell. Because
when she wrote this book, she had, you know, several
doctors who come in and they will write a review
or so forth. One of them was a guy named
(15:21):
John Mack who was a Harvard professor of psychiatry who
wrote a book in nineteen ninety four called Abduction Human
Encounters with Aliens. And he was a huge alien abduction believer. Okay,
no problem there, but he's not seen, as I will say,
a serious scientist, so again it's you believe it or
(15:44):
you don't kind of thing. There was another guy, Jeff Tarant,
psychologist who occasionally will join the podcast, and he relies
heavily on the EEG tests, which is a brain way
brain scan and test. And according to this article, although
the EEG machines add an air of science to the proceedings,
(16:07):
nothing definitive can be learned about telepathy from looking at EEG's.
Almost any pattern of brain waves can be rationalized to
fit a pre existing belief, and the evidence suggests that
Arant has such a pre existing belief. He authored the
book in twenty twenty three, Becoming Psychic Lessons from the
(16:30):
Minds of Mediums, Healers and Psychics. Oh and so then
Diane Hennessy Powell wrote a review of his book, You
know like, Hey, this is a great book and so forth.
He's also the founder and director of the Neuromeditative Institute
in Eugene, Oregon that offers services such as Psychedelic Integration Therapy,
(16:52):
catamiine assistant therapy, and vibroacoustic therapy. Then there's a guy
named Rupert Sheldrake who she runs around with and does
a lot of talks with. He holds a PhD in
biochemistry from Cambridge. According to his curriculum, Sheldrake worked in
biology early in his career, but for several decades he's
(17:13):
been a proponent of psychic phenomena. In nineteen ninety nine,
he wrote a book Dogs that Know when their Owners
are coming Home and Other Unexplained Powers of Animals. In
two thousand and three he wrote the book The Sense
of Being Stared At and Other Aspects of the Extended Mind.
And in twenty sixteen he published a dialogue in Skeptic
(17:36):
Magazine with this other guy called Arguing Science, a Dialogue
on the Future of Science and Spirit.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah, this is one. They mentioned him in the podcast
and he talks in the podcast. I believe because I
remember the whole thing about the dogs when they know
you're coming home. That he did a whole test on
like how the dogs knew as soon as the person
said they felt like they were coming home, the dog
would move closer to the door. But then if something
happened when they had to go back to work, the
(18:05):
dog would know and suddenly like go back to what
they were doing until the I'm like, huh.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I know, and one of the big in my mind,
one of the big I'll just say bombs that tells
me this. There's a lot of things off with all
of these telepathy tapes in this entire theory and philosophy
they have about these autistic kids, and we'll get more
into why, like the minutia of it. But the Center
(18:35):
for Inquiry Investigations group, it's a it's an actual group.
They have a CSI chief Investigator's name is Kenny Biddle,
and he has offered up a five hundred thousand dollars
challenge to anyone who can demonstrate psychic ability under controlled conditions.
(18:57):
And the telepathy tapes have been hit up by people emailed.
I've seen it in their chats, I've seen it in
the comments. They know it's there and they will not
pick up the phone they will not go for the challenge.
Wouldn't you think half a million dollars would go a
long ways in promoting and helping with the research and
(19:23):
getting the word out if this was actually real, if
they could prove it. But they have not accepted the challenge.
To me, that's a major red flag.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
You would think. But it's one of those things too,
is that I'm sure they have some excuse, like whatever,
the the grounds, the way they're doing it, it wouldn't
work for their whatever. There's always an excuse. There's always, oh,
you know, the format that they do, it would be
traumatizing for the children, or there's something always, so just
(19:55):
hear what their excuse is, or if they're just ignoring it.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
No, I agree, they won't address it. They refuse, they've
never brought it up. They act like it doesn't exist.
People have tried to call them out on it. Of
course not on their show because they don't take calls
or read emails or anything like that. But I've seen
them respond to other things in some of their chats
and stuff, but they completely ghosts that ignore it, skip
(20:21):
over it. They don't even want to know what's there.
Here's another thing that I found interesting and alarming at
the same time. And I could send you the list.
I'm not going to go through them all, but over
thirty professional and advocacy organizations worldwide, and they're all the
big ones. Okay, this isn't just some little clinic in
El Paso, Texas who's writing a statement. These are major
(20:44):
professional and advocacy organizations, including the American Psychological Association and
the American Academy of Pediatrics. They've all written statements position
statements against the use of this facilitated communication as they
call it on the telepathy tapes. All of them have said,
(21:09):
not only do we not see any proof or find
any proof of this, nor have you shown us any
to where we might even be curious, but we find
it to be dangerous.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah. Well, and this is how they kind of get
away with this too, is because they call it two
different things. They say facility facilitated communication is the old
way they use what they call spelling.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Now, yeah, and who's providing who's providing the spelling to
these people?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Well, it's the the autistic people obviously.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah. But according to several things that I heard and
I read from the doctor and on the telepathy tapes.
There's some grand master somewhere that's feeding them this stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yeah, they're they're able to the Other thing that was
insane is they kept talking about the hill.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's what I'm talking about. It's like there's some guy
on a hill.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Well, that's also where they go to congregate. They like
they go and this is, by the way, the hill
is doesn't exist in a normal plane. It's only in
their brains. And they can go to this hill and
all the people that can do this telepathy. Plus if
you you know, normal minded or normally or normies or
whatever the heck they call.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Them, Yeah, they can also go to the hill.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
There's a few of them if they're special, can go
to the hill. But it's pretty much that you can
go to this hill and you can talk to the
other people that can do this telepathy, and that's where
they learn. That's why some of them suddenly know languages
that they shouldn't know. They know all these things that
they shouldn't know. But I don't know. The whole thing
that gets me is like anytime there's been a problem,
(22:56):
they're like, oh, obviously this person was helping. Oh that
person wasn't trained correctly. The person that was being their
facilitator wasn't trained correctly. That's why that one looks like
they're moving the board around so they can you know,
touch it, or that they're doing the writing for them.
There's always an excuse for it. But then most of
the videos, I mean we talked about this, you see
them like moving because that was the whole ied. The
(23:19):
facilitated communication meant they held their hand and helped them
point because most of these people that have this autism
isn't just nonverbal. They also have problems with motor skills
and stuff like that, so that they needed assistance, right.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
So to be clear, when we talk about this hill
and we talk about these people who are instructing them,
that's on some psychic plane we're not talking about. They
go to a hill somewhere. This is on some other
plane that you can visit if you tap in right,
and the doctor claims she's been there and witnessed all
(23:56):
of this, and it is amazed by how it happens,
and it's a great spirit or it's I can't remember
what they call him, but it's the man on the
hill or whatever he is who's in charge of all
of this. They all gather and congregate there. So this
is not something that we could go and they do
it down at the local lodge. This is in some
(24:18):
spirit realm.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah. They claim too that this person that they're going
to see is God in a sense, and that God,
there is a God, but the God is different, like
a combination of all of them.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, it's not the biblical God. It's a God that
encompasses all the gods that man has they claim made up.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yes, but this one person. But then at other times
I heard them mention that there was multiple gods. And
it's like, okay, keep with your if you're going to
make up your own deocracy, like keep it, you know,
keep it straight.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
So this one article I was reading, I found this interesting,
and this is in ions dot com. They were talking
about this whole thing, says. It's worth noting that doctor
Powell has not yet published a peer reviewed article on
this subject that has been carefully evaluated by experts in
the same field. This process ensures that the research is accurate, credible,
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and meets high scientific standards. During peer review, independent experts
check the article for sound methods, logical conclusions, and relevance
to the field. The process acts like quality control, filtering
out weak, flawed research, and it goes on to explain
more what peer reviewed article it is, and she refuses
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to do this, And again we've hammered the scientific institution
for COVID, and I still believe all of that. However,
I am a big believer. And if you're going to
make some wild claim like this and claim it in
the name of science, but you're the only one who
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understands it because you're the one who discovered it, and
nobody else will get it. And if anybody says anything
contrary to your theology or philosophy about it, it's because
they have an agenda or they're out to get you,
or whatever it is. I'm super skeptical of you.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And I think that's what they're banking on. They're banking
on the fact that there's people like us, you know,
and others that have seen what science has said, you know,
and we don't completely agree with everything that scientifically happened
during COVID, And we're finding out now that most of
what we said in thought during that time it was correct,
(26:43):
as scientific stuff has started coming out. But like you said,
when all of a sudden there's like, oh yeah, well,
I won't even submit to peer reviewed. Even the stuff
during COVID you could find peer reviewed stuff about what
COVID really was, what the vaccines really were. People were
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still trying to figure it out. And this one, she's
completely going against everything because every time someone who is
actually scientific and looks at it with a scientific method
in any way, they see the flaws, and she knows
it'll never pass the scientific you know community, nobody's going
to pass this. But then her excuse is, oh, it's
(27:25):
because you know, they're against this. They don't want it
to be true, because this is the next evolution of man,
is this ability to be you know, used telepathy.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
The other thing I find interesting too is this Kai Dickens,
the co host kind of I guess she's the host,
but she kind of acts as a co host. She's
a yes woman. Yeah, she's a hype woman. She never, ever,
not one time, questions the veracity of what she's supposedly witnessing.
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She's constantly in awe, U, it's amazing, it's that's wonderful.
My mind is blown. I can't believe what I just saw.
That's her entire job, never once to say that's weird.
That the parent had their hand on the person's head
and was moving it, or had their hands on top
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of their autistic child's hand on a keyboard and they
were pushing, you know, pushing their fingers down as they
type something. Never once is why why aren't they just
sitting there by themselves?
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Because and that was the thing they even they covered
that in the podcast where they mentioned that, oh, sometimes
so that the child can be what was the way
they so they can be grounded to our reality. They
needed someone to be touching them, a parent to touch
them or something or do whatever to help ground them
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to our reality. But I mean, there's so many ways
that you can find communication. I mean, hell, the Houston
Astros forget how to cheat by beating on guard garbage.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Can't hey calm down now, that's my team.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Had to throw it out there. But I mean it's
one of those things. I mean, you can communicate in
so many ways. I mean with blinking, with you know,
hand movement, you can say, oh hey, if it's the
blue cran, I'm gonna squeeze with my middle finger. If
it's the the yellow cran, I'm gonna use my thumb,
or I'm just gonna turn your head to which direction
to go with. I mean, it's there's so many ways.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, let's break it down into a few of these
examples that I watched, and I think you can find
bit clips of these, but you can't find them in
their entirety because you have to pay to go behind
the paywall. And again it's only ten bucks if you
want to spend it, spend it. I did it so
you don't have to. And what I witnessed and what
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I saw on there was parlor tricks. And again file
it under. If you believe this, you're gonna see what
you want in order to reinforce your believability of it.
But if you look at it with a open mind,
skeptical eye, with a little bit of uh, you know, skepticism,
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or maybe a lot of skepticism, you will see the opposite.
Because to me, I've seen better magic tricks. Yeah, to
where you're like, well, I don't I do not know
how they did that, but these I'm watching it and
I'm going it's obvious what's going on here? But the
illusion is the parent who's crying because they're so happy.
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You have the doctor who's smiling and going nodding along, Yes,
this is what I've discovered. And then you have this Ki,
the podcast hosts slash documentarian, who is amazed by it all.
It's the hype person, you know, like, well, it's so unbelievable,
and so I think a lot of people get caught
up into the emotion of it and not actually watch
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what's going on, which to me is a slight hand movement.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah, which is on purpose. I mean, it's one of
those things. It's how many times, all of a sudden
they get all hyped and like, oh my gosh, and
then something you're looking away from what just happened. I mean,
it's they want don't want you to see the illusion.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
The first one I want to talk about is there's
this guy. He's a he looks like he's a teenager.
And again, none of these autistic kids supposedly can speak,
or they haven't spoken forever. Apparently they hear, so you
assume they understand English, but they just can't communicate. And
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that's it's all different levels, but primarily none of them
can speak or communicate verbally. And then from there it
goes into all different realms. Some have more motor skills
than others. But this guy is sitting there and his
mom sitting next to him, and she has a like
an iPad type thing that has multiple UNO cards on
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the screen, and this doctor is standing behind them. She
shows this UNO card and it says number two, which
the guy, the young man, can't see, but the mom
can't see. So then the mom holds this board up
in front of him and he's supposed to point to
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one of the cards on the screen, that is the
one that the doctor's holding up. Yes, this mom moves
this board around like somebody and I forgive me for
saying this, but like somebody with Parkinson's, this board can't
stay still to save its life. And as the kid is,
he's kind of shaking his finger as he's sort of
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pointing down to he's going to point and put his
finger on the screen. He's all over the place. So again,
if I'm to believe this, that pad that the mom
is holding, this iPad should be on a desk, nobody's
that kid should be able to point right down onto
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that card. And then, okay, maybe there's some believability. But
even then, because I think there were six cards on
the screen, that's pretty good odds that you're gonna hit
the right one, and trust me, if he didn't, they're
not going to include this. No, they're not going to
show you that. But the mom's shaking the pad, the
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boy's handshaking, and then he finally lands on the right one,
and they all act like he just won a gazillion
dollar lottery. Mom's crying every the whatever, Kai Gal, She's
jumping around. It's unbelievable. And the doctor's got this smug
look like see, I told you, told you I was right.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Well, like I said, that's the thing is because they say,
whoever the facilitators, facilitator has to be trained to do
it correctly. And it's like, I get the idea of
the autistic child because a lot of times when they
have these things, they do have some motor skill issue
and stuff like that, but the parent should be able
to hold still or at least, like you said, set
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it down on something solid and then if their hands
shaking a little bit, Okay, I get the child's but
why does it seem like you're moving it around so
they can touch the right spot.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah. And the biggest one, the one that really just
turned me off to this whole thing where I mean,
there is zero credibility. Here was the psychic test, and
I think it was the very first one, and I
would just be curious what the b roll looks like.
How many takes did they have to do of this?
(34:37):
What did they not include because you can tell it's
jump cutted several times. Yeah, this is not just hey,
we're gonna set up a camera and we're gonna let
it roll, or we have three or four cameras and
we're just moving, you know, like frame to frame to frame,
but it's all in real time. That's not the case here.
But there's a blindfolded girl and she's sitting at a
desk and there are I don't know, four or five
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colors of popsicle sticks, and she's blindfolded so she can't
see the color of the popsicle sticks. Now, her mom's
sitting next to her and she's holding her chin or
like the side of her face. She has her hand
on the side of her face. So they hand this
girl the popsicle stick and they're telling her what order
(35:22):
she's gonna put them in. So you're gonna put them
in red, yellow, blue, green kind of thing. So they
handle the popsicle stick and the girls just holds it
and you can see the mom move her head left
or right and in fact there and I'm surprised they
kept us in there because there's one moment where it's
(35:44):
I think it's the third popsicle stick. It's either the
second or the third, where you can see the mom
really wrenching on her head because the girl's kind of stuck.
She's just holding this popsicle stick. She doesn't know where
to put it down. I think it must have been
the third one, and the mom just is it's obvious,
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she's like yanking her head. I think it's to the left,
and finally the girl starts moving it over and then
when the mom stops, she puts it down. It's a
parlor trick. I'm sorry. If you watch that and you
believe what's going on, fine, but I'm telling you right
now it's not real.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I don't think it is either. It's one of those things.
It's it's too easy to fake it. And the fact
that they won't let anybody else do anything, like they
won't let another scientist come in and say, okay, cool,
let me come in and run my own tests. You
can be there you can help set it up, but
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I want to be there to monitor observe, you know,
if there's any inconsistencies, we can step back and take
a look at them and try and you know, deal
with them like you see a parent doing that, like, hey,
can we get somebody else to Oh no, the parent
needs to be because that's the only time it worked. Well,
then there's a problem.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
And I also want to know how come nobody in
the room there and there's only three there's I think
there's a cameraman or somebody. Obviously there's probably more than that,
but behind the scenes, because you got the mom, the
daughter or the son depending on which episode you're watching.
Then you have the doctor, and then you have the
the host. Kai all this stuff's going on, nobody bothers
(37:31):
say hey, can we can you do that again? Is
it possible without her hand on her daughter's face?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
But they have to so she's connected to this world.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And that is pseudoscience to the end degree. There is
no way you can prove and or even disprove that
if those are the boundaries of the test, okay.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
And I think that's why they won't do anyone else,
because boundaries that they have it's specific to a point
that anybody else doing their task, it's gonna be like,
these boundaries don't work. We need to do this differently
for this to be legit, and they're gonna be like,
oh yeah, we can't do that because you know, the
parent has to be there to touch to ground there.
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And I think that's what the word they basic said,
the grounded. But for whatever reason, because that was something
that they brought up, because I was thinking the same thing,
why why don't they have somebody else facilitate But it
was like, oh no, the parent has to be there,
And then it makes me question like, okay, if the
parent has to be there, then it's so much easier
to to cheat it.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
So there is a website called Facilitatedcommunication dot org. I
went over there to see if they had anything to
say about this, because apparently this is a thing, which okay,
because that's how a lot of these autistic kids and
or kids who are struggling to learn. This is how
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they learned. They put up a they'll have ABC you know,
the abcs on a board and if they're nonverbal, they
will say point to the A. They point to the
A they you know, and what's a cat and so
this is a thing. According to their site, it says
controlled studies are used to determine authorship and facilitated messages.
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Simply observing the pairs as they type or analyze written
output inadequately addresses how much control each individual has over
the typing activity. Individuals with disabilities can and have successfully
participated in controlled studies without exhibiting undue stress, with facilitators
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reporting the sessions were completed as expected. Overwhelmingly when facilitators
are blinded to test protocols, these studies demonstrate that it
is the facilitators and not the individuals with disabilities, who
are controlling the written output. That is, according to Facilitated
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Communication dot Org, you blindfold them, you direct them, you
put your hand on them, you guide their hand. That
is not the kid, no, And that's that's from a
group who advocates the use of it.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
And that's the problem that they ran into is they
have so many times and they even said, oh, if
it was whenever someone's questioned the podcast, you know, the
people in the podcast question what they're doing with the
celebrity tapes, that's what they Oh, it was someone who
wasn't trained correctly, but at the same time, it's like
hath stuff you're doing according to you know other people
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who do this, you're not doing it the same way.
But that's also too why they try and say they
are not part of facilitated communication.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
They do spelling according to this website Facilitatedcommunication dot org.
And I'd be glad to send it to you if
you're believing in this, because I do know on the podcasts,
on these telepathy tape podcasts, they will talk about all
these people like one hundred or more who confirm, who believe,
who have seen it, and so forth, but they won't
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talk about there's probably three or four times that more
than those who say this is all junk, it's bunk
and we can prove it. They won't mention those. Well,
according to this website, they're all cataloged, and I'd be
glad to send them to you, and you can plow
through them yourself, because I read through several of the
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articles where they are addressing this and not specifically even
the telepathy tapes, just this practice in general. See the
telepathy tapes have made this popular, but this theory has
been floated around as far as like they all have
ESP and a lot of it goes back to our
star Seed, our star Seed episodes that we talked about
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all these kids who supposedly have developed somewhere in some
psychic star planet somewhere, who got dropped down here and
have special gifts and they actually are way better than us,
we just don't recognize it. And their hair, Yeah, they're
here to send us a message and elevate us to
the next plane and all this stuff. This is all
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part of that. This doctor is trying to bridge that
gap of Okay, we may not understand these kids. They're
not really autistic, that's a label we've given them. They're
actually way more evolved than we are and in touch
with this psychic field where they can go to and
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learn these things, and they know multiple languages, and they
can communicate with each other through brain waves and ESP
all this kind of stuff, which none of it is provable,
and the only way she can prove it is by
doing these weird demonstrations, because again, how do you prove that.
Let's say I have an autistic child and Brandon, you
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have an autistic child. There are hundreds of miles apart,
maybe never met. How do I prove that my autistic
child is communicating with yours and yours is communicating with mine.
There is no way.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Because they spell out things that they shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Know, right, She claims, this is the case. Yeah, But
the only way that Brandon and I could prove that
would to do this facilitated communication, where I sat down
with my child, you sat down with yours, and we
controlled them. Well, I know Brandon, and I know your
kid's name, so I could easily manipulate my child to
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type out your child's name having never met them. And
then she would say, well, but they all get together
up on the big hill with you know, with God
or whatever, and that's where they connect.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Yep, they're up on the hill. This isn't the parents
doing it. It's them up on the hill. Didn't you
listen to the tapes?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
I did.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
So.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
According to this one article, I thought this was interesting,
it says. In the Telepathy Tapes, the producers provide seven
episodes of heartwarming stories of psychic communication before briefly addressing
the critics of these techniques, and in the first third
of episode eight, titled The Gatekeepers of Truth, they interview
a man named Joe, who was described as a special
(44:34):
needs minister from Highland Church in Arizona. Joe characterizes the
research evidence this way quote, I actually looked at some
of the academic literature on this, and what I found
was forty or so negative papers which were earlier on
in the process, back in the nineties. Then at one
point the spellers improved their methodology and you find later
(44:58):
on there's like over a hundred papers that are now saying,
wait a minute, we miss something here again, But they
don't mention the hundreds and hundreds of other papers that say, nah,
this ain't happening. We see no evidence, crap, no proof.
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She's refused to come in and do any peer reviewed
work or study or even demonstrations. There's been no public
demonstrations of this. This is all well choreographed, well organized,
and again jump cut if you don't know what that is,
that means they stop, they start again, they edit. That's
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a jump cut, and you'll see it when you see
it like commercials, it's just like jump jump, jump jump,
because they're having to edit something out or whatever they're doing.
If this was actually real, in my opinion, they would
just set up a camera in a room. She wouldn't
even be in the room this doctor, nobody would be there,
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and they would put a whether it's iPad or a
chalkboard or whatever, with multiple answers. They're in another room, undisclosed,
maybe behind a you know, two way glass or one
way glass or something. Hold up for one camera. Okay,
here's the number two UNO card. And then they called
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in to I'll just say, you know, Brian, Hey, Brian,
go up to the board or you know the boards
on your desk, point to the card we're holding up.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
They won't do that because, like I said, they keep
saying they had excuses for am it. Like I said,
there was the whole apparent needed is to calm them
or to ground them or whatever. But I mean there
was always something, some reason. And you see this with
this kind of stuff all the time, right, It's one
of those things that they know, upon review by an
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actual scientist that this is going to be proven wrong,
because then they go in the whole thing of the
heartstrings of oh, you know, these parents going to the
school saying, hey, look, my kid wants to be involved
in this because they can do this, and the schools like, yeah,
this has all been proven wrong by the scientific community,
and they're like, oh, they're just against us.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Well, And I also feel bad for these parents who
are watching this because I found on Instagram several parents
who are watching this and believing all of this, and
they're showing their own little videos of them supposedly communicating
or using this type of communication with their kids, and
(47:40):
they were all, in my opinion, super sad. Like. There
was one of this father who's holding his son's hand
and he's got like a pencil or a piece of chalk,
I couldn't quite tell. And he's holding a board in
the other and in the other hand like his hand,
and he's telling his son, hey, point to you know whatever.
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I think there was a squirrel or a bird, and
it was obvious that he had control of his son's
hand and was moving to the picture and he's practically
in tears. Is I can't believe you're talking to me?
And he hugs him, and you know, and the kid,
I mean, bless the kid. He doesn't even know what's
going on. He's just staring straight ahead. He's not happy
(48:25):
about he shows no emotion or anything. And the father
just wants to believe in any way, shape or form.
And I don't blame him. I don't blame the dad.
I don't know what I would do in that situation.
I would hope, for hope that at some point my
kid would show some emotion, give me a hug, say
dad whatever. I get it. But to set up a
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situation like that to prove.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
It, well, I mean I can see as the parents,
I mean, you want, you want to believe that your
kid's in there. And that's the big thing that they
kept using. It that these kids are trying to say,
I'm in here, I'm here, I exist, I'm in here
they might be. And NINE think that's the thing that
gets me the most is I mean, I've known a
lot of people that had kids that were autistic on
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this level, and the idea that your kids in there
and that they're really talking to you or communicating to you.
With these parents who've never been able to communicate to
their kids because of their autism, I could see the
hope and the dream of being able to do it.
And you're gonna draw grasps at straws. And that's what
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this lady's hoping on. She's hoping on that she's praying
on that hope and that fear.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
I agree, and it reminds me of something that just happened.
And if you have not seen this, I highly recommend
you watch it. It's creepy as I'll get out. I
find it sad and extremely disturbing on multiple levels. Jim Acosta,
who is or was a TV host. He has his
(50:03):
own podcast, video blog thing right now. He did an
interview with an AI generated image of and I'm not
going to name this kid because he's dead. It's a
kid who was shot at one of the famous school shootings.
So his parents have worked with some techie guy and
(50:25):
created an AI image of this boy and you can
it's everywhere you can see it. Jim Acosta does an
interview with this AI generated image of this kid, and
he acts like he's talking to him, calls him by name,
ask him, Hey, what's your favorite team? What do you
(50:46):
think about gun control? And it's just it as creepy
as all get out. But what's even worse. What's even worse,
in my opinion, was on the on the backside of
this interview, they were talking to the boy's dad who's alive.
The mom and dad are alive because they were asking
why did you do this? You know, why do you
have this AI image? A lot of people there's backlash
(51:08):
on it, and he said, well, you know, we want
our boy to live on. This is how we can
do it. And his mom talks to him for hours
every day. So mom talks to this AI generated image
of her son for hours every day. See this, I
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think is part of the danger of all of this stuff,
outside of the pseudoscience and obviously the weird sort of
esp new ag aspect to it all. One of the
problems I really have with this is we are so
conditioned to not accept human emotion anymore, which includes pain, suffering,
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getting through things, hardship, bad times which make you stronger.
Then nobody likes going through them. Nobody likes loss, nobody
likes having to go through transition. And I know this
because my brother when he was eighteen and I was
twenty one, he was killed in a car wreck. It
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was awful. My parents went through hell, strong Christians, but
it almost wrecked their marriage because the grief process is
different for everybody. It changes life. You sometimes don't think
you can go on, and it causes all kinds of problems. Well,
this AI generated thing is now has replaced that with well,
(52:39):
he may be gone, but I can see him on
a video screen, I can talk to him. And I
think the same thing is happening with these telepathy tapes.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
I think so too, because I mean there's even one where,
I mean, if you're listening to the tapes, one of
the kids involved in the telepathy tapes dies during the
whole thing, and there's a whole thing where they talk
about how the other kids knew it before it happened,
and that he knew what was happening and this was
all he knew. He needed to move on and to
evolve or something, and so it wasn't an accident and
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the mom was all okay with it now because of that.
But you know, and that they can talk to the
dead like that, they were having conversations with people that
had died years ago, and you know, all this other stuff,
and I'm like, oh and another one. Yeah, there's a
lot of way.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
It's always after the fact. Yes, nobody came to her
while that child was alive and said, you know what,
we've been talking to him on the other side, and
we've been on the hill with God and whoever else
is over there, and this is what's coming. Prepare yourself. No,
it's always after the fact. Oh yeah, all the kids
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knew it. They knew this was coming. Well, how did
they know? And how come nobody said anything? That to
me is another one where it's like this is part
these are parlor tricks. I remember there was a wave
in the late nineties early two thousands is James von
Prague and a bunch of people who would go on
Oprah and Doctor Phil and all of those who claim
(54:09):
to talk to the dead, and they would pick somebody
out of the audience and say, your dad's talking to me,
and this is what he wants you to know. And
it was all very general, nothing specific, or if it was,
it was mentalist type tricks, you know. So they would say,
I'm sensing a country road. Does that mean anything to you?
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With like a big tree, Oh my dad. My dad
grew up on a little country road and had a
favorite tree. But you'll notice in situations like that, if
they're like kind of hesitant, he'll he'll switch, you know,
And it's in the city and it's off on like
they are fishing. But they're very skilled at it. They're
(54:53):
very very good at it, and you don't even know
what's happening. Yeah, oh yeah, and that's what's going on.
That's what's going on here.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Yeah. You watch those videos of stuff like that back
in the day, and it was all of a sudden,
like I'm sensing someone named Ed. They'd be like, oh,
my dad's name was Ed. Okay, cool, Now I've got
someone on the hook. Now let's fish some more. You know,
and you watch them and it's all leading questions. It's
all things that you know.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
Or pre research. There's always that too, and that happens
a lot. And that happens also. I know a lot
of people are ge get pissed off at me on
this one. But in this day and age of supposedly
all these profits in the church who are amazing and
they know everything and they can pull people out of
the audience, it's the same trick. Go back and look
at Peter pop Off. Go back and look at all
(55:44):
of the so called profits who could pick people out
and tell them what disease they had. They all filled
out cars, they were being fed through an earpiece. Now
they just look it up on TikTok or social media,
write it down. They know who's there. Yeah, this is
not random, not random at all. But again, let's go
(56:06):
back to the beginning. This is if you want to
believe this, you're gonna believe it. You will see what
you want to see. And I think that's why this
podcast fell so hard from being number one. I think
everyone was intrigued by it. Wow, this is crazy. Everybody
(56:29):
knows somebody who's autistic, and are they really using esp
as This something that we can all do, because that's
what they kept saying, we can achieve this too. It's
the next evolution, It's the next evolution. Be ready, be prepared.
This is what's coming. They're showing us the way. Well,
who doesn't want to learn about that? And then everybody
(56:52):
figured out, oh well most of them did. Most people
figured out these are parlor tricks. There's nothing real here.
But the people who have hung onto it and who
still defend it and back it, ye want to believe
it because it fits some need that they have to
(57:14):
either feel good or be comforted, or to believe that
they can be better or that that are they're the
new aging people who are like, yes, this is coming
and this is another wave and it just reaffirms what
we've all known, and we're just so excited because we're
about to push forward to the next level, and so
(57:36):
they have all hung around, but they've always been there.
This is just the next big thing.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
It's the next evolution.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
So I'd be curious to our listeners because this was
recommended to us by a listener this topic. Before this,
I had read about the telepathy tapes. I had never
gone down the rabbit hole. I never listened to one.
I certainly at that time it wasn't gonna pay ten
bucks to watch some videos. But I did, and I
(58:06):
went in with an open mind. I am a skeptic,
and I am naturally skeptical. Yes, so I'm being honest
about that, but I try to go in with my
eyes wide open, and I am open too. There could
be some level where, I don't know, autistic kids communicate
through well, I don't know if it's ESP or whatever,
(58:27):
but it could happen. We all have all had deja
voo moments. We've all had moments where you know, like
your dog notices something's going on way before you did,
or you're thinking about somebody and all of a sudden,
they call we call those coincidences. But there may be
something more to it. I don't know. I don't think so.
(58:47):
But watching this, listening to this, doing the research on
all the participants, I have come away and stream non believer. Yeah,
not just a little, not just you know, well, maybe
there's some possibility. No, this is a grift, one hundred
(59:12):
percent grift. And it makes me sick because it's on
the back of people who want to believe that their
kid is special, that they have some sort of mental
connection with a nonverbal child. They're craving some sort of connection,
(59:35):
and this is a false connection that they're being offered.
And in fact, if you really want to get into it,
I do believe that they are opening themselves up to
dark forces that can enter into this situation because they
all believe they're talking to some spirit, that they're off
(59:55):
in some spirit world that they're using esp almost like
sometimes when I'm watching them point this stuff out, it
reminded me of people using Wuigi boards very much so,
where they're just kind of hovering this pin around and
they're pointing to things and spelling stuff out, and I'm like, man,
I don't know, looks like automatic writing or Ouiji board
(01:00:17):
type stuff. They're talking about being on a mountain, on
the psychic plane and all this stuff. I was like, yeah,
I'm very uncomfortable with that now.
Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
And then one thing is when I first went into it,
I kind of went and tried to go into it
with an open mind, and I listened to a few
of them. I'm like, Okay, okay, I can kind of
see it maybe maybe maybe, And then you really then
you start looking at the evidence, you start hearing some
of the other stuff, and you're like, Okay, they're only
talking about the good stuff, which to me is always
a red flag. It's a red flag if you're only
(01:00:46):
talking about the data and everything else that proves your point. Okay,
where's the other stuff? Where's the this stuff that you
know gives me the other side? And there was none
of that. And then I was like, okay, well, maybe
this is one of those ones where this lady really
believes it, so she's seeing this and everything else. But
the more I listen to it, I honestly feel like
(01:01:06):
this is a gript on her part. She just wants
She wanted to be whatever, both her and the Kai,
both of them just wanted to be basically famous for something.
I feel like, and they're writing the coattails of these
children and using them.
Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
I highly recommend you go to doctor Diane Hennessy dot
com do a deep dive on her. I could do
an entire show on her. She, in my opinion, is
well disturbed, and I find her and this Kai Gal
who's a total griped she. I don't think she believes
any of this now, but this doctor Diane Hennessy actually
(01:01:46):
does believe this, and I think she's kind of crazy
and maybe stone cold crazy.
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
So do a deep dive on her. If you are
tending to believe that this is I challenge you to
go behind the curtain, look into the characters involved, look
at what they're involved in, what they've done, how they've
been basically excommunicated from anything that I would consider normal
in the scientific field. And rather than take some criticism
(01:02:20):
or actually bring forth the proof and go you make
fun of me all you want here, it is no.
It's all hidden behind cameras, jump cuts emotionalism, and I
find that disturbing and disgusting on multiple levels that they
would hide behind these autistic kids to make huge amounts
of money and give false hope to people who are
(01:02:43):
already hurting. Because once the camera stop rolling, do you
think they hang out with these people? Do you think
they invite them over for dinner? No, they're gone, purpose
served see you later. Let's go cash our check.
Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Pretty much.
Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Anyway, that's the telepathy tapes. I'd be curious what your
thoughts are on it. You can email us down the
RH at ProtonMail dot com. Down the r H at
ProtonMail dot com. Also, because we didn't mention it at
the top and you thought we forgot, are good buddies
over there at Fringe Radio Network grab the app follow
(01:03:22):
us on there. We love those guys. They also have
a website Frindsradio dot com. I know you guys thought
we forgot that, but no we did not. Now we'll
be Brandon.
Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
You got the midweek I do, I do, and I
think it's gonna be where we're I'm gonna stick to
the same kind of theme I've been going on and so.
Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Well people are loving it. So keep that up and
we'll be back next week with a brand new episode.
In the meantime, I hope everybody has a great week.
I'm big d I'm Brandon. We're out of here.
Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Selett Hi, everybody, it's me Cinderea X I'm just listening
to the Fringe Radio Network while I clean these chimneys
with my gass livers. Anyway, So Chad White, the fringe chowboy,
(01:04:18):
I mean, he's like he took a leave.
Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Of absence or whatever, and.
Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
So the guys asked me to do the network ID.
So you're listening to the Fringe Radio Network. I know,
I was gonna say it, fringeradionetwork dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
What oh jat? Oh yeah, do you have the app?
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
It's the best way to listen to the Fringe Radio Network.
Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
I mean it's so great.
Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
I mean it's clean and simple, and you have all
the shows, all the episodes, and you have the live chat,
and it's it's safe and it won't hurt your phone,
and it's sound is beautiful, and it won't track you
or trace you and you don't have to log in
to use it. How do you get it fringeradionetwork dot
(01:05:10):
com right at the top of the page. So anyway,
so we're just gonna go back to cleaning these chimneys
and listening to the Fringe Radio Network. And uh so
I guess you know, I mean, I guess we're listening together.
Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
So I mean, I know, I mean well, I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
I guess you might be listening to a different episode
or whatever, or or maybe maybe you're listening maybe you're
listening to it, like at a different time than we are.
Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
But I mean well, I mean, if you accidentally just.
Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Downloaded this, no, I guess you'd be Okay, I'm rambling, Okay, Okay,
you're listening to the Fringe radio network fringeradionetwork dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
There are you happy? Okay, let's clean these chimneys.
Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
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