This is a Call: Remembering Charlie Kirk - The Dig

Today we morn a brother in Christ and his work to bring his faith and beliefs to the world. You may not have agreed with everything he said, but he was brave, bold, and on fire for Jesus!  After a tragedy like this, what are the next steps? Where do we go from here? Listen in.

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Speaker 6 (03:26):
Welcome back, everybody. I hope everybody out there is having
a good, a better week than last week. It's been
a tough one over the last week. We've seen a
lot of tragedy and been reminded of some tragedy as well,
and we wanted to sit back and kind of collect

(03:50):
our thoughts a little bit. I got a special guest
with me today, but wanted to collect our thoughts a
little bit about everything that happened on September tenth and
kind of see, you know, after we prayed about it,
thought about it, and you know, got in the the
word a little bit, see how we felt after going

(04:14):
through everything that happened last week. So, without any further ado,
I have with me Ben, not not the the Sasquatch Ben.
This is a different Ben, but we'll call him Ben
C for now. But Ben is an amazing guy. With
a lot of experience, has seen a lot of things

(04:37):
throughout the his life as far as in the Christian
faith and the growth and the movement of the church,
been a part of a lot of those things, and
his INSIGHT's going to be excellent in this. But we've
talked about this a lot in the last week since
has happened, and really wanted to sit down and kind
of open it up and and and see where we

(04:58):
how we feel, and and and see what God tells
us we should be doing.

Speaker 7 (05:04):
Yeah, I think you made the comparison kind of that
nine to eleven or you said that nine to eleven
was the next day after Charlie was assassinated. And I've
been thinking about that since. And I mean nine to

(05:24):
eleven affected me certainly, like it did a lot of people.
But it this is a whole different level. With Charlie.
It seems like, well, I mean, when somebody like him,
who you guy, you feel like even I didn't know him,

(05:45):
it felt like I knew. I felt like we were friends.
I followed him for a long time, watched a lot
of his stuff, was love to see him, loved to
listen to him. He was a great insight, So you
feel like that, you feel that loss differently. Plus, when
you have a man like that who you ideologically in
your faith and in politics, and you line up with

(06:08):
them so closely and then he's attacked for that very belief,
that makes it pretty real. That brings it home to think, well,
we've really gotten to the point now where they're going
to start killing Christians. But with nine to eleven, it
was more of a general attack. It was like an

(06:30):
attack on all of us, like it was an attack
on America, you know, everybody. It wasn't this was personal.
This was this man was sought out for and assassinated
for what he believed. And that's pretty tough. It was
hard to It still affected me.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
I agree with you. I'm on that. The the fact
that they happened on you know well, I mean the
fact that we observe nine to eleven obviously on nine
to eleven, which but the fact that happened the day before,
and you know, it was it just the whole week

(07:15):
became a very sombering week. I mean, everything felt heavy,
You felt pressure, you felt oppress in and it's weird
because you know, I watched Charlie Kirk on the on
on you know, Facebook reels or some of the other stuff,
and really that's you know, that's where you get most
of the things that you've seen or watched a couple

(07:37):
other things on him on YouTube and whatnot, But when
you really sit down and and think about what he
stood for, what he was doing, and how he was
attacked for and I'm not I just want to back

(07:59):
this up because there's so many people have varying opinion. Hell,
I didn't agree with him more of this. And I mean,
first of all, if you ever celebrate anybody's death, I
don't care who they are. I don't care if it's
a death row inmate who has killed somebody and they're
going and you're celebrating the fact that person died, that's

(08:19):
that's not a celebration that there's no there's no need.
There's no celebration in death unless you're thinking about it
from the aspect that person is no longer suffering in
there in heaven now, right. But there's no celebrating that
someone's dead because the world's a better place without them.
What there's just you can't do that. So it's just
sad to me that I saw so much of that

(08:40):
It's sad to me, but this is the first time
I've ever mourned somebody, literally mourned them without ever really
knowing them. And I don't. I can't tell you why
other than the fact that, like you said, I line
up with him very much ideologically. I line up with
him on his beliefs, up with him on even politically.

(09:04):
But the whole thing is the the fact that that
he was and I don't I don't understand the hate
thing because the fact that he would just say, he'd
have open debate, he'd let you talk, but he would
say what he believed he would He you know, there
was people that came to him that were, uh, you know,

(09:26):
very liberal. There was people that came to him that
were transgender, There's people that came to him that were gay,
and he'd have open conversations with him and it was
very you know, even I listened to one where they
had the there's this this guy that come up and goes,
I'm a I'm a gay conservative, and Charlie's like, you
don't need to identify as both. Your sexuality shouldn't be

(09:49):
your identifying characteristic, Like who you are is who you are.
Sexuality is one part of our but he said, he
looked at the guy and goes, don't let that define you,
but welcome to the conservative movement. Like just just a
cool way that he brought that across. But the fact
that you can say something in a place with free speech,

(10:15):
well used to be free speech. Yeah, a place where
you have free speech and you're killed for it in
our country and it is Listen, it happens all over
the world. I don't ever want to minimalize any other place.
This has been happening in Nigeria. We've seen this lately
with Christians being slaughtered places like North Korea. If you

(10:39):
acknowledge or even are suspect suspected of being a Christian,
you can be put to death on the spot, if
not sent to a concentration camp. There's many places in
the Middle East, Somalia or Iran, Iraq, places like this
where as a Christian, if you're vocal about your face,

(11:01):
you're going to be persecuted, if not killed. This happens
all over the place. Those people have been fighting with
that for years and it's amazing that they still have
that faith where they step in and and and and
believe that even though they know what would happen if
they find out? But I know I'm rambling, Ben, I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
Well, I think that that speaks to the power of
the message, to the truth of the message, because somebody's
willing to put them in a country like that where
they know that the you know, the penalty for that

(11:42):
is to be put to death, or your whole family
could be you know, you watch your kids die before
they kill you. When you know that, and yes see,
you still believe and you still have that faith, that
lets me know that it's genuine, that it's real. I
heard as an antidote. I heard he probably don't remember

(12:05):
this guy. I was a kid when this happened, but
when Watergate happened, it was one of the guys, was
Chuck Colson was one of the main guys in that
whole scheme, and he became a Christian later on in prison.
And he said somebody asked him once, you know how
they come about? And he said it came about from
studying and learning and reading. And he said he was

(12:30):
not to make light of it, but he said, I
heard about these apostles and the way they died and
the way they you know, they lived their lives and
then the way they every one of them died in
some sort of a terrible way. But he said they
never one time recanted their story. They never changed one
little bit of it. They took that faith with them
to the torture, to the death. And he said, we

(12:51):
had twelve guys involved in Watergate, some of the most
powerful men in the world, couldn't keep a story straight
for three weeks and we all ended up in prison.
He said, we couldn't keep alie. He said, is something
that he's willing to there's more to it than that.
And he said, that's what got me started, and that's
why he got he became a Christian, got born again,
and he was a true voice for Christ till the

(13:19):
rest of the end of his life. It just and
when you see that, when that's genuine like that, and
in those countries, it's that's real. But that's never been
the case here. Now it's here. And as I was
thinking about this in the last couple of days, you know,
people have taken it to I guess in my past

(13:44):
and the way I've always been as more of a
libertarian take I'm like, whatever whatever you want to do,
you just do it, you know, we can talk about
the Lord and you can ignore it and you can
just move on and that's fine. Do whatever you want
to do. Just leave me alone, don't know, Let me
live my life the way I want to live it.
And that's why I was. For a while that was fine.

(14:06):
But now it's gotten to the point where it's not
fine with them. Not only do you have to give
them room to do whatever they want to do, you
have to acknowledge it, and you have to to to
tell them it's good, it's fine that yeah, you have
to say it's okay and they're doing the right thing

(14:27):
and whatever. You have to agree that. You can't just
say you go do whatever you want to do. I
believe it's sin, but you go ahead and do it.
I don't care. They're not satisfied with that. They want
you to say no, no, it's fine, you're not gonna
you know. And it's come from that. Now it's ratcheting
up to where they're ready to institute violence to get

(14:49):
you to go along. And that's where I think that
was the major switch last week was now we're taking this.
It's a different level, and that is worrisome because you

(15:11):
try to be you know, live a life of peace
and try to separate. That's the thing we've talked about before.
Or people on the left don't understand the concept of
separating the sin from the sinner, and they can't wrap

(15:31):
their head around that. It's like they it's like, yeah,
you know, well you hate gay people. Well, no, I
certainly don't do. I think it's sin. Yeah. Do I
think other things are sin? Yeah? They keep us from
a relationship with God. But I don't hate that person.

(15:52):
Jesus loves that person as much as he loves me.
He died for that guy too. You know, I don't him.
I'm not you know, I'm called to not hate. I'm
called to love him and to try to you know,
do what I can to encourage him and share the
Lord with him. But they don't have that fundamental base

(16:17):
to come from, so they don't get it. So they
just hate people who don't think like they do. And
they think because someone like Charlie, because he's outspoken, that
he hates them, which he If you watch any of
his stuff, he repeatedly just in his actions will show
you that he did not the harshest I ever saw

(16:39):
him get with. Somebody was a young man who said
he was a Christian. He was harder on that kid
than anybody I've ever seen. He literally told the man, Okay,
that's fine, you can leave now. Because the man was
the young man wanted Charlie to get on this gay

(17:02):
bandwagon where they were bashing gave. He just said, well,
the scripture says this, and God hates the and he
wanted Charlie to and Charlie want a bite. He's like, no, no,
and the guy just wouldn't stop. And he said finally
Charlie just said, look, we've done this enough. This is
you've got to go. Moved on and he went on

(17:24):
to talk to a young lady who having to be
gay and had a conversation with her and that but
that that was the one. It's funny because that's the
person that I if you're going to say he was
rude to somebody or he was, you know, it was
that guy. And that guy supposedly was a Christian as well,

(17:45):
but he did not have that certainly didn't have that
mindset of you know, of the sinner and hate the sin.
That was a Phariseic mindset, Yeah, it certainly was. And
I well the other things and I think I think
Charlie said this too, was we forget People say, well, Jesus,

(18:07):
you know, and they he always.

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Speaker 7 (18:40):
Just let people he didn't condemn people eating, and they
use that story of the woman to prostitute that the
guys were going to stone her. And Jesus said, okay,
and you, who you know, don't have any cent in
your life, you throw the first rock, and slowly the

(19:01):
guys will put their rocks down and wandered away. Well,
and then everybody stops the story right there, because that's okay,
there's your grace. But now coming right behind that is
the truth. And the truth is he didn't tell the woman, ah,

(19:22):
you're good, see you, He said what he said. He said,
go and sin no more, don't do that anymore. Don't
do that, that's sin. Don't do that anymore. He didn't.
He wasn't harsh, he wasn't accusatory, he didn't, you know,
scream at her. He just said, yeah, just you're good.
Just go and don't do that anymore. And that's I

(19:46):
think the attitude, and that's the thing that people miss
is there's a truth to it. He's not. Yeah, Jesus
hung out with people, you know, tax collectors and whatnot.
But he told them the truth. He didn't. He wasn't
there to accept their lifestyle or to accept their sin.
He was there to point out to him they needed
to stop doing whatever they were doing. But he was

(20:09):
willing to walk into the fray, much like Charlie was,
you know, and in a way that was graceful. But
tell them the truth. And that's I'm encouraged in one
aspect because I've seen I didn't realize what a big
impact Charlie Kirk was having on the young people. I
didn't realize how big that movement was. And I see

(20:31):
a lot of now in these different feeds, a lot
of young people that are just literally on fire. There
was a young lady the other day that said she
had had some sort of an experience. Maybe she went
to church when she was a kid, but she had
fallen away. So she picked up a Bible in the
first time in a long time, and she said, right

(20:53):
in her car, sitting by herself, she just redidicated her
life to the Lord because of what happened to Charlie.
She picked up her Bible and did that. So that
was on her last week and she's just look, I'm done,
this is real now and I'm moving on. So there's
one you know that in how many do you need
before it's been you know, But there's a story of

(21:13):
the story like that of young people that are And
I think I told you about the guy that in
Highland Park, Michigan. I mean on Wilmward Avenue. That's that's
a rough neighborhood and they had two or three hundred
kids on the steps of an old church there singing
worship songs at night in a memorial for Charlie kirk In.

(21:37):
I mean there's a rough part of town and there
were white kids, black kids, Hispanic kids all together. That
kind of things that happened all over the country, which
is encouraging, but still, I mean, it doesn't take away
from the loss and the pain of the loss. No,
it absolutely doesn't.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
The thing, you know, and I want to prefaces and
saying I'm not making any comparisons about the person, but
if you go back, I do believe it's in First
Corinthians where Paul says, you know, if they had have known,
they never would have killed Jesus. If they had have known,
they never would have killed Jesus because look at what

(22:18):
happened as a result of jesus death. Obviously he comes back,
our sins are forgiven, and then everything happens again. I'm
going to say, I'm not comparing Jesus to anybody, but
the situation. So when you look at similarities, if you
look at the fact that Charlie, who was steeped in

(22:39):
the word, he was a very strong proponent for the
Christian faith. He was very outspoken about it to just
about I mean to anybody, really, to anybody. And you
see him show that with the people he talked to,
with celebrity, with Donald Trump, with all these different people.

(23:03):
And you think, I got another example that'll go into this.
But and you think, my gosh, like it's such a loss,
and it really is such a loss. But at the
same time, a person who thought he was getting rid
of the problem. You know, this guy who kills Charlie
Kirk thinks he's getting rid of this aspect, and he

(23:26):
opened a whole can and it goes back to the
to Paul again and once I'm not gonna be able
to pull a verse out of my head right now,
But Paul says, I would much rather be with my
Lord in heaven, but it's better for you that I'm
here right now. So Charlie, you know, Charlie's better off
than all of us right now. As sad as that is,

(23:47):
I feel absolutely terrible for his wife and kids. That's
never how things are supposed to go. But God is
gonna take this and God is gonna do something miraculous
out of it. And I think that's something you know,
in the beginning, I sit there and think about, for example,
I believe Utah has the death penalty, and you know,
you sit there and think this kid who does this,

(24:08):
and you know, how would how would Jesus respond to
this situation? Would Jesus? I mean, look at Paul killing
Christians did, what did Jesus do? Instead of saying, you know,
smite you now, he said, I'm going to use you now.
I believe Charlie would say that he would want this

(24:28):
kid to turn his life around and be saved. And
I would hope that somewhere down the down the rabbit
hole in the future, this guy, whether it's in prison,
whether it's wherever, whatever happens, that he finds Jesus before
we get to that point. If we take that into
our own hands, we're taking away the possibility of of

(24:50):
him finding Jesus. And I know that's going to be
controversial to some people.

Speaker 7 (24:56):
Well, man, that's just an instance where Satan wins again.
And you know, if the kid goes to his grave
a non believer, regardless of how he gets there, whether
he's mm hmm, and that's said.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
No.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
I just I think, you know, even going back to
the the part that we see so you said that
the part about Jesus I think is is really cool
is when he's here on earth. You know, you you
said the part about the one being stoned. If you
go back to the woman at the well, the smartan woman,
and and and he's like, you know, where's your husband.

(25:32):
She's like, oh, I'm not married right now. He's like,
you're right, you've been married five times and the guy
you're with right now isn't your husband. And she's like,
oh my gosh, you know it's it's just like but
he doesn't sit there. What does he do? He goes,
I can give you living water. He doesn't. He says,
once again, we're not supposed to live that way, right
he's but he does not sit there and say, you

(25:53):
know what, you're going to hell for that. He doesn't
say that no truth, and and that's that's not That's
not how Charlie Kirk was. That's not how he's talked.
That's not how he prodded people. He didn't say any
of that stuff. What he did was, I don't like
even with that. I told you that kid before. He said,
you know me and you are going to disagree on

(26:14):
your lifestyle. He goes, I don't believe it's right, but
I hope the best for you. I mean, this is
the whole thing is I want you to find Jesus.
He's out there doing what we should all be doing.
He's out there being vocal about his faith. Not it
does not matter who's in front of him, he is
going to be honest and vocal about his faith. I'm
sitting here, at forty five years old, sitting there thinking

(26:36):
about how much time have I wasted not being vocal
about my faith. I'm sitting here thinking he was fourteen
years younger than me, and that guy had stood on
a platform, and yeah, it started out as more of
a political platform, but he turned that into a voice
to talk about the Gospel, and he was He never
never for one second thought this is going to hit

(26:58):
you know, my political I'm going to take a hit,
or I'm going to take a hit to hear or there. No,
he stood on business, he stood on the Gospel. He
stood on what Jesus preached.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
I did, and I that's something else that It's funny
that you say that because I'm a lot older than
you are, But I think look back like that too,
and think of all the foolishness and the time I
wasted ignoring God and not doing what I, you know,
should have been doing, and getting myself in situations that

(27:34):
shouldn't have been in it. The truth is it hasn't
been to the last probably fifteen years or more, that
I started to come back. I'm like the poster child
for the the prodigal son and the verse about training
up a child and the way they should go. I'm

(27:54):
kind of that all rolled into one. And hadn't had
it mom that prayed for me every minute, I wouldn't
be here.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
I think we got that in common.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
Yeah, I think we do. And I like you. I
think that's another thing that's come to me as like
a sense of urgency, Like this thing is it feels
like it's throwing to a close. And over the week
that I felt this kind of a sense of urgency

(28:27):
that we gotta get with it.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
We gotta.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
You know, I need to be like that. I need
to be a little more vocal. I need to be
encouraging people. As a pastor was talking about encouragement tonight
and just and I do you know, do affect your
world right where you are? You know, you don't have
to you don't have to move off to some foreign land.

(28:54):
You can affect people right where you're at. It's being
open to that and then having your eyes open that
you can see it when it comes. My mother was
a great example of that, and I watched her just
she has such a sensitive heart and she could just
pick up on that and she didn't matter where she was,

(29:17):
and she lived that. She lived that faith too everywhere
with everyone. And it still encourages me today and I
want to be more like that. And that was really encouraged.
I mean, he I think that's the other thing I've
been thinking about these people that because I think after

(29:37):
this event, you're thinking, well, what can I do? How
can I be more effective? Helped me just make a
small difference in somebody's life today? Be what I should be.
And I think if any good of this came out
of it for me, that's what it's done is created
a fire or a deep desire to take this up

(30:02):
a few notes, just you know, to not just go
through my day and you know, to actually be actively
looking for somebody to bless or to whatever I can do, I.

Speaker 6 (30:17):
Think a big thing. And I'm not speaking directly at you, Ben,
I'm speaking to everybody that listens to this, and including myself.
But this is something I've had to talk to myself
about many times, kind of try to put myself back
in the right mind. Is that you know, you said
you talk about not being comfortable in front of people,

(30:40):
that's never ever been my forte. I have never been
someone who wanted to public speak, never been wanting someone
to want to be in front of people. But the
things that are coming out of just doing this has,
you know, doing the podcasting and all these things, and
the podcasting thing was not I always thought of myself

(31:02):
more as a spectator with the dig in the beginning,
because you know, Justin was kind of going through some
stuff and and and bringing up some stuff, and I
was just you know, having questions and kind of answering
until I started digging in myself and really getting deep
into it. But it's something that took me out of
my comfort zone. And God is never ever I'm telling
you right now, God's never going to let you stay
in your comfort zone. If you stay in your comfort zone,

(31:25):
then you're not reaching everybody you can reach. And that's
that's where I know I have failed. I have failed
many times. And I want to look at this whole
thing and I think that I think that what you're
seeing right now, after Charlie's passing and and and you
you see the Christian community coming alive, you're seeing both

(31:50):
sides of a pretty big spiritual warfare. The very evil side,
and then you see the the other side where Christians
are stepping up and actually being more vocal about their faith.
But I want you out there to look at this
and think of this as a call. I want you
to step up and say, what can I like, you

(32:10):
just said that whole thing, what can I you know,
put somebody in my path today? And the second part
of that prayer was and please don't let me miss it.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
Right, that's the big thing for me. I don't know
how many times that's happened where I felt the nuds,
you know, whether it's just hayko, talk to that guy,
or hey, you know, do this, or and late and
I'm just like, I can't do that. It's not what

(32:38):
do I get embarrassed, you know whatever? And what if
they tell me to you know whatever, say I'm a
freak er, you know. So you just don't do it.
And then later you're like, and you knew you missed it,
you know, and you just talk to the Lord and said,
please forgive me for that, give me another shot, you know, recently,

(33:00):
and you get I heard a young man as a
pastor from he's from Africa somewhere, and he told the
story of how he felt like the Lord was telling
him to go to a church, to a hospital in
their little community and pray for He has a I
guess he is a he has a healing ministry. And

(33:23):
the Lord told him to go to the hospital and
pray for everybody that's in there. I don't want any
sick people. It was New Year's Day or New Year's Eve.
He said, I want to sick people in there to
start the new year. And the guy, long story short,
he just avoided it. He was actually crouchy, said it
physically in a corner of his house.

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Speaker 7 (34:12):
And I can't do this. I can't do this. I
can't do it. He finally, after talking to a friend,
he went to church, and after church, she was encouraged
and he said, I'll go do it. I'll go do it.
I'll go in the morning. So he didn't go in
the Lord told him to go. He went in the morning.
So he's there New Year's Day in the morning, and
he walked in and talked to where we met him

(34:32):
at the door or a nurse or somebody tell him
who he was and tell him what he was there for.
And she said, well, you're too late. She said, we
got nobody here. He saw, I mean, I haven't to
be here. And she said, Jesus came last night and
he everybody. She said, we were unplugging machines and everybody
went home. And he was devastated, and he said he
went home just weeping, and Lord, forgive me. You know,

(34:54):
I know you told me to do that, but it
was it's almost an encouragement in itself, and that's why
I think he was saying. It was to encourage people
to do what you feel the Lord prompting you to do.
And I've just been particularly this past week, but it's

(35:15):
been on my heart to do that for a while now,
but this has turned it up. But it turned the
burner up last Wednesday or Tuesday whenever. That was yeah,
that was like, this is getting real and it's bringing
it close to home. And when I was younger, some

(35:37):
guys I used to hanging around with the church, we talk about,
you know, persecution to Christians, and they were talking about
a subject came around at football and one of the
guys said, because we were in Michigan at the time,
one of the guys said, well, it ain't going to
be long and there's gonna be real lions in the
arena and they're gonna be throwing us Christians in there.

(36:00):
And we all thought that it was a funny joke,
but it's actually not as funny now. You know, when
you see it, it's becoming real. And when it hits
the ground here, I mean in the countries that you mentioned,
those people have never had the Foundational Bill right and

(36:23):
the right to just say whatever they want. Ever in
those countries, they don't have that as a foundation in
their country. So you you know, they have that threat
over them regardless kind of what they say, if they
don't go along with the government government line. And here

(36:44):
We've never had that, and now it's become it's just
it's it's like, I think there's people and I think
we've touched on this before, but I think the people
on the left, you don't see that kind of activity
against anybody else, any other group, the Muslims, the Hindus, whatever.

(37:10):
You don't see that, Buddhists, whatever. And I truly believe
and I think you do know you do too, that
it's conviction somewhere deep down inside them. They know that
the Bible's true, they know that Jesus is Lord. They
know they know, but they refuse to acknowledge it, either
willingly or you know, whether they actually understand it or not.

(37:34):
There's some sort of conviction that's happening that's conflicting inside
of them, and they that's what makes them lash out.
And I I never the first time. This is going
to date me again too, but the first time I
ever saw this and it didn't result in any physical violence.
But this, I don't know if you remember when they

(37:56):
had the whole Wacos stand off back in the day
with David Korush and all the people in Waco, Texas.
I was in the nineties. Clinton was president and I
was a young guy and I was just watching this
and I remember thinking, why, you know, it's a cult,
but they really weren't hurting anybody, and they're just being weird. Well,

(38:20):
that's not a crime in America's that's supposed to be.
And we had this little cofee shop we used to
go to and the waitress that was in there was
just ranting and raving about that and how the government,
you know, needed to do something. And then government did
and they ended up incinerating all those people. I mean

(38:41):
seventy people, like twenty two children and something lost their lives.
I was, you know a lot of people were killed
that day. And this waitress was almost she wasn't giddy
about it, but she was like, well they got what
they had coming. I said this, what, well, you know

(39:02):
the government should have done. I said, did you want
the right to just come and kill somebody? The government
killed those people? And she said, no, that's okay. They
were crazy. I said, who determines who's crazy? You know?
So we kind of had that discussion and that was
I don't you want to say how long ago that was.
It was a long time ago, and I kind of

(39:25):
glimpsed into that heart then, and it just shocked me
that she would think that way, that she would think
that it was okay because somebody was doing something that
she didn't think was right. She thought the guy was crazy.
They had this cult, maybe he was crazy. Maybe they
they certainly had, you know, they it was sort of loose,
you know, under the auspices of Christianity, but there was nothing,

(39:48):
I mean, there was there was a serious distortion of
the truth, in any kind of biblical truth.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
And but.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
Still you don't go on and just execute people. And
she was the first person that I ever saw that
was all for it. She was up there kill them,
and I could I just I remember how shocked I was.
I couldn't believe it. I was like, you really feel
that way, Yeah, they're crazy, isn't against a lot to

(40:24):
be crazy. They're not harming anyone but themselves. If they're
they're voluntarily you know. So I'd kind of forgotten about
that moment until this past week, and I thought, yeah,
I guess that feeling has always kind of been there
among certain people, but it's never manifested it well, I

(40:47):
can't say never, but it's until last week it really
hadn't gotten to the point of assassination. There's been violence,
I mean there's been some of these riots and one
of these things or property have been destroyed and people
have been injured. But I think to this level.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
I think, I mean, we go back and talk about
people who have obviously died for their their faith, and
we can talk about MLK Junior. I mean, he's another
good example of somebody who stood on what he believed.
I mean, there was a he had some other factors

(41:29):
when we talk about the racism at the time and
some other things that were going on, But there's so
much when you talk about the when somebody has a
certain idea and they stand on a certain platform and
they are not scared, they don't stand behind anything that
you know. MLK Junior was an amazing, amazing man, and

(41:50):
he stood on business, he stood on his beliefs, He
stood on what he knew was true. And then you
can even go back and we talked about j JFK
killed and for what he believed and how he actually
didn't believe we were going in the right direction as
a country, right and you know, you can go through

(42:14):
conspiracy theorytic conspiracy theory at whatever. But when you don't agree,
when somebody doesn't agree with you, that somebody thinks they
have the right to take the matter into their own hands.
And we go back and talk about Jesus. Right, So
think about your entire life Jesus. When Jesus came down,

(42:37):
he's born, you know, starts his ministry at about thirty
years old. He's on earth for three years truly preaching,
getting after it right. And it's all in God's timing,
you know, I said, you know, it's not my not
yet my time. And when certain things came, and then
the first thing happens is the miracle of water to wine.
But you go through all these things and you see Jesus,

(42:59):
you know, he comes down. He like you said, he
dined with sinners. He was there, and even the Pharisees,
he's like, they sit there and rip on him, like
why would you do this? And He's like, it's not
the it's the sick that need a doctor. So when
you go through and look at how he behaved, he
didn't judge in the way that we were thinking of judging.

(43:22):
He didn't agree with certain things. Obviously, as the Lord God,
he knows what's wrong and he tell people, you know,
you need to stop doing this. But we have and
I'm not telling you to wait, but we have Literally,
Jesus doesn't judge us now. We are in the way
that like with finality, right we we yes, we have conviction,

(43:47):
we have that knocking on our hearts when Jesus is
coming after us. We have all those things where we're like,
we're doing something wrong and we're living in that sin.
We're continuing with that sin. And you know, we know
we need to to fix this. We need to turn
this around. We need to ask for forgiveness. But if
you just were Okay, I fell off the wagon here

(44:12):
now I'm done, you know it's not that way, Jesus,
not until we get to the end of time. Truly.
We talk about the White Throne judgment when you get
to revelation. But you have your life and I'm not
telling you to wait. I'm not telling you sit there.
You can live your life and wait till the very
end to say you know the words. But we all struggle,

(44:35):
we all go through things, we all have different things
that happen to us. But Jesus isn't judging you right
now based on everything that you're doing in your life
with the judging, with finality. He doesn't want you to
live in sin. He doesn't want you to do these things,
but he gives you time to turn it around. He's
knocking on your heart right now, He's telling you, hey,
the conviction you're feeling, it's wrong, but you can turn

(44:56):
it around. You still have time. Right now is a
good at time time as any to turn your life
around and give it back to God and and and
start going in the right direction, start living for God
in that way. And that's something that I have to
re I have to like reset myself sometimes because I
I feel like I'm doing pretty good. Certain times. I'm

(45:17):
reading my Bible, I'm in it, I'm trying to witness
to people, I'm trying to tell them things. I'm trying
to do these different things. And then all of a sudden,
a week goes by and I didn't touch my Bible
right And that's just where we're stuck sometimes. But we
need to keep re centering ourselves. We're not perfect. But
just know, no matter what you've done, no matter what
you've been through, no matter what you're doing right now,

(45:41):
you can set it down. You can step back, you
can ask God for forgiveness and you can recommit your
life to him.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Right.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
Yeah, that's that's powerful. And I I was thinking while
you were saying that, that's another thing that I that
have been thrown and you've had it happened to you too,
because we all have it's thrown in our face about judging.
Don't be judgmental. You you're being judgmental, and that somehow

(46:16):
judgmental because it's you know, people, I throw that verse
you know out, don't judge lest you be judge whatever scripture.
But somehow that judgmental has taken the place to tell
them the truth. It's like, no, I don't have the

(46:40):
power to judge you for one thing, which means judgment
means there's abolve some sort of sentence or you know,
condemnation or sending you off somewhere. I don't have the
power to do that.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
We're taking someone's life.

Speaker 7 (46:55):
We're taking your life. Yeah, I don't have the power
to do that. That's not up to me. I do
have the ability to tell you the truth. This is
what I think, this is why I think this, and
this is the truth. There's you know, there's no getting
around it. I'm not being judgmental at all. You're confusing terms.

(47:16):
And that's been something that I see. It's been done
a lot where words have become people. You throw these
words out that either they just I think they do
it because it's effective. They know what they're doing. I
don't think it's innocent. Words like nazi or racist or fascist, fascist,

(47:39):
the words that they really if anybody who would sit
down and say what, really, what is a fascist? It
would look at the people that they're calling fascists would
say no, they don't fit that bill. But it's easy.
And that started a long time ago. Politically. You saw
that in a political ring where and it was very

(48:01):
successful because I when you just throw that out there,
you just but lack of a better word to do,
like throwing a grenade or ba bomb at somebody, You
just pull a politic opponent or whatever. You just say, well,
he's a whatever, pick your word of the day, he's
a nazier, he's a racist, ories whatever. You say that,

(48:22):
and then the news runs with it. And then the
guy that you said it about, he can't defend himself
in a sound bite, you know, so he's going to
try to spend three days explaining why he's not what
you said he was, and by that time they labeled
you with a bunch of other stuff. So people aren't
taking the time. Anybody who's taken the time at all

(48:45):
to watch more than ten minutes of any Charlie Kirk,
whether it's an interview, podcast, college campus event, some of
those open form things where they I've seen him do
that with different people. Anybody's watched any of that for

(49:06):
any just any more ten minutes? Would No, He's none
of those things that are.

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Speaker 7 (49:41):
Why he said he was other than the left said
he was. He they're just throwing the words out there
because he doesn't agree with that. You know they don't
agree with him, and in their heart, I just know
they're feeling convicted about it, so they got a do
something to try and alleviate that. So they try to

(50:06):
discredit him in some way. Charlie Kirk is simplest what
he was a truth teller. He loved people, and he
told the truth, and he died for it. Had or
not that used to say that everyone had their own truth.
She would say, you have your truth, and I have

(50:29):
my truth, and everybody has their own truth. And my
sainted mother, her sister would say, but then there's the truth.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
I think we need to really look and step back
and say, okay, in this format that he was doing,
where he was openly talking to people, and he's given
people a voice to say their peace, whether he agreed
with him or not. Because there was many that he
agreed with, there's many that he didn't. And I think

(51:03):
that we have to be able to have discussions. I
think it's really important that whoever you are, just because
I disagree with you on a certain subject, doesn't mean
we don't agree on ninety percent of other things. We
very well could, but too often we let just one
issue separate us. We let one issue become a hot

(51:26):
topic that drives people apart causes separation, and I think
that's something that we as a people need to get
back to being able to use our brains a little
bit on our own because it's there's fault on both
sides of the political spectrum when it comes that way,

(51:48):
because we've been taught you have to say this or
do this, or you know, whatever it is when you
talk about the certain side, you have to believe in this,
and you have to believe in that and listen, there
are certain issues I will stand firm onto the day
I die. There is there is absolutely no room for
things like abortion, things of that nature. I will stand
on that hill. However, there are other things where I'm

(52:09):
we're just gonna have some disagreements, and guess what, I'm
I'm gonna love you even if we don't agree. I
have plenty of friends that definitely don't agree with me,
plenty of friends that don't agree with me. Guess what,
We have great conversations. Some of my closest friends. We
have big differences in opinion about some non salvation things,

(52:31):
even in the Bible, and I believe I'm right, they
believe they're right. Does that mean that anything changes about
our friendship? No, but when we go to any place
that we're out if if somebody has a I don't know,
you can go and even think about in sports, right,
think about you know, I'm a Michigan fan. We're from

(52:53):
Michigan originally, you see somebody from Michigan State and you know,
oh and on game day your rivals, right, you know,
you hear the train and begin. But you know what,
that's one aspect and a lot of those people are
my friends on non game days, but a lot of
people are other they're my friends. But you have to
think about it, like why why do we let these
things separate us? Why do we let just because you

(53:15):
have one different view here, this different view here, this
different view view here. We got to be able to
talk about it, discuss it, and have an educated, calm conversation,
not let it rule how you view somebody, how you
treat somebody, and ultimately get to the point where someone
would take somebody's life just over a different viewpoint. That

(53:37):
part is the part that I can't I can't handle
as far as like trying to process that in my mind,
I could never imagine disagreeing with so much that I
would take someone's life. There's just nothing. I can never
do that. Jesus wouldn't want me to do that first off.
But how can you just disagree with somebody to that point.

(54:00):
I don't. I can't fathom that. I'd rather sit and
have a conversation with you. I've had two hour conversations
with people that I agree absolutely nothing with and they
are just so bang on their viewpoints, coming after you
with them, and I'll sit and I'll listen. I will
give you the floor. You're not gonna change my mind,
especially if it's about my beliefs, but I will give

(54:22):
you the floor. I just ask in requests in return
that you allow me to say my piece as well,
and don't just shoot it down. I let you say
your piece, let me say mine, but let's do it
in a civil manner. And where that's where we've lost
it in this country even and if you look go
to England, people are getting arrested right now and have
been for a bit now. They said, I think it's

(54:44):
like thirty people a month or so if what I
read is correct, which once again, you can't believe everything
you hear, but it's like thirty people or something a
month now that are getting arrested just for their tweets
on or tweets or Facebook posts or whatever on social
media because they go against what the government tells you.
So if you don't agree with something, you can be

(55:06):
arrested just by saying something out of public forum. I
mean that's starting to get closer and closer to home
when we talk about like Middle Eastern countries where there
is a lot of hate towards Christians, the Asian countries
I said about like North Korea, even China. You know,
there's a lot of hate towards Christians. The fact that

(55:30):
you can just believe something and be convicted, like to
the point where you know you're in North Korea and
you just say, yeah, I believe in Jesus, kill them.
How much of a threat does Jesus to you, which
he obviously is. How much of a threat is Jesus
to you for you to automatically go to that point.

(55:50):
You hate Christianity so much because you know it's the
thing that people have hope, that they have faith, that
they that they know that there is something so much
greater in a communist country, Guess what, We're gonna try
to cut the legs out from the Christian Church, so
we're gonna murder them whether here. How scared are you
of the truth that that's the only option that you

(56:12):
feel like you have. It just blows my mind.

Speaker 7 (56:23):
Let me think if I was privilege is actually enough
to work for a company part time for many years
driving the charter buses, you know, on the weekends. And
it was a fun job because you've got to meet
a lot of those people people I wouldn't normally ever
meet anywhere. I mean, they got to take groups of

(56:47):
black people places and learn about them and hear their stories,
and then take I was with Hispanic people, with the
Chaldean ladies that we've talked about that were just I
learned so much from them. And you also learn that

(57:07):
there are a lot more similarities in us than differences.
It's just different where you know, you come from a
different situation. But I think men as men around the world,
we have kind of the same struggles as men women
the same thing, And I think it's just a difference
in you know, where you're at, and I think we,

(57:33):
like you were talking about, I think we got a
lot more in common than we think we do. If
we can just get past all day well, I'm not
talking to them because they're whatever. There's a man just
like you are. You know, he puts his pants on
the same way you do. You know you're no better

(57:53):
than he is, and you know you're blaming him, telling
him he's a sinner. Look at your own life, you know.
And that's really what it's come down to. It's a
time for people. It's a time we have to make
a choice. You're either going to choose good or evil.

(58:17):
And the problem, as I see it, is the people
on that side, the people that are perfectly fine with
Charlie being assassinated. I think they're in the right. They
think that's they're not the evils. They don't see them
themselves as being evil. They see someone like him be

(58:37):
as being evil. Somebody who if there was anybody in
the last I don't know how many decades that truly
embodied the spirit of the Lord in the and the
you know, the way we should live and lived it,
it was him. I mean, he treated people exactly how

(59:02):
I would think Jesus would treat people. He was fair
and considerate, and you know, I, like I said before
that the only person I ever saw him really get
ugly with was a fellow Christian, and it was for
saying hurtful things about gay people, just horrible things.

Speaker 6 (59:35):
Now, let's we've been a little bit doom and gloom
on here and listen. I know it's one of those.

Speaker 7 (59:42):
Things, doomy and gloomy, it is, but.

Speaker 6 (59:46):
We have to think that we have to focus on
the fact that that and it is. It's hard, it's heavy.
That's the best word I could say the last week
is I felt heavy. Everything on my shoulders has felt heavy,
my mind has been heavy, everything's been heavy. But we
have to focus on the fact that at some point,
you know, we're gonna we'll be with Jesus as well

(01:00:06):
and we'll never have to worry about anything like this
ever again. But in the meantime, I like to reiterate
that this is a call I want. You're seeing more
people draw their lines in the sand than ever before,
and I think that's that's part of God's plan, is
that you're going to see very like you're either for

(01:00:28):
me or you're against me. I mean, that's that's and
it's coming. And you're right, things are not going to
get better, things are gonna get worse. We know that
a lot of people will because of the deception that's coming. Well,
maybe think it is getting better, but when you look
at scripture and look at the things that are foretold,

(01:00:49):
the prophecies that are coming, it's a scary world that
we're going to be living in, and you're gonna have
to make a choice.

Speaker 7 (01:00:56):
And I believe it. I believe that choice. I mean,
it's it's a I mean, it's now to the point
you've got to pick. Are you going to be on
good or evil? Yep, period, there's no there's no more
gray area, there's no more lukewarm, there's no more just
going through the motions and oh yeah, I'm a Christian
today because I'm at church, and then the rest of

(01:01:18):
the week whatever there's that's over, that's done. And I
don't want I don't want to be like that. I
don't want to be I want to be headed in
the right direct. I'm gonna continue to grow and continue
to do what I can do and not be content
where I'm at, not be oh yeah, I'm good, I'm
you know, I read my Bible this morning. I'm fine.
I don't want to ever get to that point of

(01:01:40):
complacency where I think, now I've got it down. I'm good.
You know, the rest of these people need to get
it together. No, because I don't have it together, and
I never want to think that I do, and I
never want to. I just I just believe that. I
think with the hapiness that you talked about, I think

(01:02:01):
that there's there's a lot of good that's going to
come out of it. It's a it's a very horrible event.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
But it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
Not that we shouldn't mourn for it. I mean, there's
nothing wrong with mourning and grieving in our hearts for
him and for his family and for the loss that
we all feel. It's okay to grieve. It's okay to
to do that, and then we carry on with the mission,
which is exactly what Charlie orr would want everyone to do.

(01:02:29):
It Just to carry on, don't give up, don't don't
proceed in anger. I mean you can, don't lash out
at people, don't, you know, try to get revenge whatever,
carry on, you know, keep keep moving forward and trying

(01:02:50):
to reach people and tell people the truth. And that's
what he would want us to do. I mean, I'm
sure of it. I I never met the man, but
I'm I'm told. Like I said, I listened to enough
of his stuff that I just know that's what his
he would be about.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
Well, I would just say this a challenge everybody out
there to pray that prayer every morning, wake up and pray. Lord,
please put someone in my path today that I can
reach for you. And at the same time, please don't
let me miss it. Just continue to focus on your faith,

(01:03:30):
continue to focus on the mission, the Great Commission, and
push forward knowing that there's somebody out there that if
you don't reach out, I mean, God can still use
somebody else. But man, I never want anybody to I
never want to get up to Heaven and God say,
why didn't you talk to that guy? Why didn't you
push and and and reach out to that? Why didn't

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you go ahead and and talk to these people? Why
didn't you do this? Why didn't you do that? I
don't ever want to sit and think I could have
done more and that and that.

Speaker 10 (01:04:03):
More.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
That starts right now. There's no judgment for the past.
We're done, We're past that. Let's start right now. Let's
make a positive change. Let's focus on bringing more people
towards Jesus. Let's let's focus on strengthening our families, creating

(01:04:24):
strong foundations for them. Let's focus on trying to make
this world the best thing that it can be through
sharing Christ with everybody that comes around us. And I
challenge everybody out there to focus on that, have that
prayer and man just don't miss those opportunities when they
come along.

Speaker 7 (01:04:44):
Try to work diligently at being more christ Like every day.
I mean, that's I guess in essence, that's essentially what
this event has done to me. It's brought it home

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to take everything up a notch and to to it's
made it real. It's time. It's not a game. It's
life for death.

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
Well, on that extremely cheery note, Debbie Downer over here, Well,
I appreciate everybody listening. I hope that even though a
lot we're all affected by this and how it's how
it's made us think it, sit back and and mourn

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someone who was truly amazing and a person who was
founded in his faith. I hope that you can take
something from this and move forward and know that it's
a call for you to step up. It's a call
for you to show your faith, to reach people around you,

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to put your flag in the sand and say this
is the team I'm on. So without any further ado,
as always.

Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
Guys, keep digging.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
John ten ten. The enemy has come to liest deal,
cheat and destroy, but I have come to give life
and life more abundantly Saw ninety seven ten. If you
love God, you must hate evil. And then one of
my favorite verses for those people that have if you

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are going through difficulty, or if you see something bad
and you're not sure how it can work out Genesis
fifty twenty, which is what the enemy meant for evil,
God will use for good. And then of course Horse
Romans twelve to two, which was God will use all
things for good for those who love him. I want

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to be remembered for courage from my faith.

Speaker 7 (01:07:11):
That would be the most important thing.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
Most important thing is my faith.

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Hi, everybody, it's me cinderoa Acts. I'm just listening to
the Fringe Radio Network while I clean these chimneys my
cass livers. Anyway, So Chad White, the fringe cowboy, I mean,
he's like he took a leave of absence or whatever,

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and so the guys asked me to do the network IDs.
So you're listening to the fringe radio network. I know
I was gonna say it, Fringe radionetwork.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Dot com what oh jat?

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:09:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Do you have the app?

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
It's the best way to listen to the Fringe radio network.
I mean it's so great. I mean it's clean and simple,
and you have all the shows, all the episodes, and
you have the live chat, and it's it's safe, and
it won't hurt your phone, and it sounds beautiful and

(01:09:37):
it won't track you or trace you and you don't
have to log in to use it. How do you
get it fringeradionetwork dot com right at the top of
the page. So anyway, so we're just gonna go back
to cleaning these chimneys and listening to the Fringe Radio Network.
And uh so I guess you know, I mean, I
guess we're listening together. So I mean, I know, I

(01:10:00):
mean well, I mean I guess you might be listening
to a different episode or whatever, or or maybe maybe
you're listening maybe you're listening to it, like at a different.

Speaker 7 (01:10:11):
Time than we are.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
But I mean, well, I mean, if you accidentally just
downloaded this, no, I guess you'd be Okay, I'm rambling, Okay, Okay,
you're listening to the Fringe Radio Network fringeradionetwork dot com.
There are you happy? Okay, let's clean these chimneys.