Trauma, Serpent Spirits and Prophetic Discernment: Identifying Mind-Control in the Church - Discovering Truth with Dan Duval - Fringe Radio Network

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Such your grandmother had been sexually assaulted by a Nazi officer,
and Roman gods and goddesses fighting their offspring, the hybrids.
A family member sexually assaulting me. He assaulted his own kids,
He trafficked his own kids. I've seen her spine, you know,
snap into place now. I reached me on and pull

(00:24):
out my kiste put it right underneath this chin. I said,
you know, want to talk about now, man.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
You're listening to Discovering Truth with Dan Deval all our friends.
We're back on Discovering Truth with Dan Deval, and I

(00:52):
am so excited to introduce you to my guest today,
which is the Katie Suso. I had the privilege of
being on her program last year, and that sparked a
friendship that ticked off some people, also blessed a lot
of people. It was. It was really an honored approval.

(01:14):
And I'm excited to have you on my podcast because
I think we're gonna get even further into some of
the uh less discussed aspects of ministry.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, we were, we were behaving on my on my broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
You do not have to behave here, Katie.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, I'm glad and even though we were on our
best behavior, we still had a clip that went like
over a million and a half views.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
It went totally viral, and and you know, okay, so
for those of you that may not know who katie'sues is,
she she was a career criminal who got radically saved
in prison and who God has used to preach all over.
I mean, really, your voice is going out to the nations.

(01:58):
You have a television program. Sure, you traveled the country
ministering the glory, miracles, healings and deliverance. Yeah, and you
know you have a mentorship as well. Katisusa dot com
is where you can get everything you need to know
about my guest today. But welcome, welcome, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Thanks. It's so fun to see how we've evolved in
our friendship like this point, because for literally years people
told me you need to meet Dandibal. You and dandiball
will be such good friends. You and Dandival go into
this deep stuff. Nobody else is doing it but you
and Dandival. I heard your name everywhere I went so wild,
I know, for years, and then I forget how we

(02:40):
actually I think I finally got your number from somebody
because I'd heard your name so much I had to.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Now you know, when I reached out, surely there was
actually someone that needed some help. Yeah, and it was
on their behalf that we ended up coming.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
That's right, that's right, because I said, well, i've heard
that if anybody can help you, dand Ball. So then
I reached out and I said, hey, I got these people,
and you were like, oh yeah, I'm there.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well you know, we're doing our best, and here we are.
But here we are now and and today we're going
to talk about I think a lot of uh uh uh,
really fun things sure me.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
For me, well, you like your fun things are the
scary stuff that everybody else is afraid of. And that's
where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Here's the thing, though, Katie, because I don't think that
the body of Christ is really ready to receive all
of the conversation. Yeah that that that has to do
with the ministry God has mantled.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I don't think they're ready for for what you're caring.
But nonetheless it's desperately needed.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
All right, So let's just open up here right uh now,
you're you're past was not a squeaky clean slate, right.
There was prison, There was pre prison, because there was
everything that you went through that put you on a
path ultimately placing you in prison now and setting a
foundation that the devil was basically just taking full advantage of.

(04:09):
No right, Hm, can you talk to me about your
personal journey through trauma and through the you know, underbelly
of the kingdom of darkness that you navigated. Yeah, that
got you to the point where you were saved.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
And yeah, so you know this is really good because
you know, people normally ask me about prison, prison, and
I tell that story off and so I want to
tell something I've actually not told me for I can't wait,
and that is that and you helped me navigate through
this too. Is the reason you end up in prison
or something like that because something happened to you, Yes,
and I had multiple things happened to me. So first

(04:46):
I didn't even know till I was like fifty something
years old. I'm sixty two now, fifty something years old
that my father, who just dropped this bomb on me
one day when we were driving around the car, said
did you know that your grandmother had been sexually assaulted
by a Nazi officer in Germany? Because my grandmother was
from Germany and it was in the same period of

(05:08):
time that Hitler had his big rally at Nuremberg, and
this officer was there and he sexual assaulted my grandmother
and she got pregnant with my grand my grandfather. And
that was the time when Hitler was standing on a

(05:32):
copy of the altar that it talks about in Revelations
in Pergnam, which was called the place where Satan dwelled,
the Pergnam Altar. And this altar is massive. It is
covered with sculptures and carvings of giants and Roman gods

(05:56):
and goddesses fighting their offspring, the hybrid of their intercourse
with human women and them as celestial gods, and they're
having epic celestial battle between you know, Venus and Zeus
and everybody and their children. And I mean this, this

(06:17):
thing is huge. In fact, there is a the original
Pergnam altar was found by archaeologists and they took it
piece by piece back to Germany and they re erected
it and built it and it exists right now in
the Pergnam Museum in Germany. And on a copy of

(06:38):
that altar. Hitler stood on that and was making vows.
He was bringing all his troops. There was hundreds of
thousands of troops there and people on the Nuremberg fairgrounds,
and he was leading him to taking oaths to be

(06:58):
loyal to him. But he's standing on Satan's altar. So
those oaths ultimately were oaths taken to Satan himself. And
when you got something like that in your bloodline, because
I never met my you know, my grandgrandfather whatever that
has sexually assaulted my grandmother, So I don't even know
his background except for the fact that he stood on

(07:19):
that ground and took that oath. So I was fighting
that my whole life and didn't even know it, because
we fight those oaths. Yes, So I mean when you
and I first met and I was like, you know,
I've never gotten ministry from anybody else. I've always done
this just me, myself and Jesus and the Holy Ghost,
and I'm like, let's go for it, and you and
I went after that. So I had that happening, and

(07:41):
I had a family member, a family member sexually assault
me as a child, and I didn't remember it until
I was in my late fifties because my mom came
from heaven and told me because he had sexually assaulted
her before he married my mother's sister, and my mother

(08:02):
never told anyone, because what do you go say to
your sister your husband to be sexually assaulted me. You
don't do that, right, So he sexually assaulted me, and
I didn't remember it till my mom came and told me.
And he was high level Illuminati. He assaulted his own kids.

(08:23):
He trafficked his own kids. One of his daughters, he
trafficked her to a high level, very rich, elite man
and they hung her upside down on a cross cut
open her private parts and had her bleeding out while
and then they assaulted her. I mean this stuff. You
can't make this stuff up. So you wonder why you're
fighting stuff your whole life because people are controlled by

(08:47):
demons and they come in when you're a child and
submit you to that kind of behavior, that demonic behavior.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Goodness. Yeah, have you ever shared this publicly before?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
No, this is the first time ever.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I saved it for you apparently. Wow. You know, and
that's why you're here breaking cycles.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, one hundred percent. When I figured out, you know,
And and it's been an unraveling over the years of
what happened to me. Uh, And then you were part
of it. That's why I'm sharing this too, because you
and I came together and I'd never had an agreement
for my human being before, just the Lord and I'd
gone very far. We're just doing that. But it was
really great to bring your anointing in to yoke it
with mine, and the deliverance have been so easy because

(09:34):
we both move in that. It was a really good
like I felt so free after the two hours spent
with you via zoom and it was awesome. Yeah. And
but now that's a huge part of my call is
getting rid of all that stuff and breaking those cycles
that so that people can go into their books of
destiny that the Lord has for them.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
So you're grandfather, great grandfather, Yeah, was a part of
Hitler's stuff. And then your family member was connected to
the Illuminati.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yes, it was Illuminati high level. He worked for one
of the biggest insurance companies in the history of the world.
He was the highest level executive and those I don't wonder. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, we're on discovering truth with Dan Devaul. So it
is expected that something's gonna be said, something's gonna come out. Yeah,
you know, but I say this, it's always a good
day to give the tevil a bad day.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, right, right, So you see those high level, you know,
power people with these corporations that are worth billions of dollars,
and there's infiltration of the enemy at the highest level.
I'm not saying every single company like that is, but
there are many that have that type of infiltration in

(11:03):
their executive order. Wow.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, So between the iniquity and the actual trauma from
a sault, there was a foundation, so the crime became
simply the response in some ways.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, I mean the effect on my life was immediately visible.
I mean because of the sexual assault. A hole was
ripped in my bladder when I was five years old.
So all of a sudden, I went from you know
this kid that slept through the night too, I'm wedding
the bed. Now, why am I suddenly wedding the bed

(11:44):
in the middle of the night. It's not because I
had a bed wedding problems. Because I had a hole
in my bladder and I wasn't wedding the bed. The
urine was leaking out onto the bed, and so you know,
you think, what in the world. I went to the hospital,
had to have a surgery, they had to sew up
the hole in my bladder, and you think nobody said anything.
Nobody thought this is odd. I mean, you know, you're

(12:05):
a five year old and you've never went at the
bed and suddenly you just developed a hole in the bladder.
It's amazing how this, these types of sins against mankind
have been so easily and readily just written off, not noticed,
like a veil of deception coming over adults, metal practitioners,

(12:29):
you know, medical practitioners. It's like, uh, this is not normal.
Why did anybody say anything? So, you know, and this
is I'm sure this is happening to countless people, you know,
in either in their childhood or in their adult And
I as a child, I would abuse animals, not a

(12:54):
lot of animals like you hear people like like torturing animals,
killing animals. I would just like bite them or things
like that to you know, my own pets. It's like,
why are you doing this because somebody did something to you,
you know what I mean. I mean, I hate to
even say this over the broadcast, but I will because
I love being transparent, because it's gonna help me. But

(13:15):
I used to have this pet, Doggleho, I love so much.
His name was Casey, and I would bite his nose
and it was so bad that his lip grew up
over his nose as he grew older. That's this curse,
this this thing that was put on me. I'm taking
it out on this animal, not even realizing what I'm
doing at the same time petting and loving this animal.

(13:36):
And then I would get frustrated and bite this dog
and the lip curled up over the nose. It's like, Okay,
this is so demonic. And this is why you see
people become abusers, people become pedophiles, people become violent people.
And I never became a pedophile, but I became extremely violent.

(13:58):
You know that all this stuff in my bloodline and
in my life had led me to then become a
career criminal. I'm out terrorizing people, like literally terrorizing people,
like going in, putting people in trunks of cars, collecting
from them when they owed money for a drug debt,
you know, kicking down their doors, taking all their stuff.

(14:21):
I mean, people were scared to death of me. I
terrorized people and people I'm this this little girl. You know,
I'm really not that big of a person, and people
like going One guy was doing a collection from because
he owed so much money. He called the police on me.
It's like, he called, this is so stupid. He called
the police and said, this girl she won't leave me

(14:42):
alone because I owe her money for drugs, and so
she's trying to collect it from me. He went and
ratted himself off to the police.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
And then this is how I heard the tape. The
cops came when I was in custody for another charge
something totally different, and played me the tape, and he
was like, yeah, she's like five five ten or eleven.
She's huge, redhead, and she you know, she's its massive size,

(15:13):
and she would come in and terrorize me and smash
all my car windows, break into my house, take all
my stuff, beat me up, you know, like, and I'm
sitting there going, yeah, all that stuff happened. But I'm
not five ten, five eleven, huge, massive person. But I
think the demonic on me made me appear like that

(15:35):
huge physically in stature to other people. I actually had
two women once who were delivering some ministers way years
this is like twenty years ago, and they said, wow,
we saw a demonic spirit on you that actually would
cause you to expand where your shoulders. It was like
armor would come out this hues like you were a giant.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Can I ask a question, now, so, when you were
I mean adult, and you had come through the background
and you were now engaging in criminal activities, you know,
was the violence natural at that point? Did it feel
just like normal or would you actually have at times

(16:21):
emotional breakdowns reacting on well what I just did, Oh
my gosh?

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Or was it I wish I had that kind of
conviction and not only felt natural, I got my fuel
from it. Yeah, it energized me. The more violent I was,
the more energized I was. It was like gasoline for
the car, you know what I mean. I fed off it.

(16:47):
I I hate to say this, but out of every
job I've ever had, if I except for what I
do now for the Lord Amen, I enjoyed being a collector.
I liked it because I liked just having a reason
to go and terrorize. Now here's the good part. There
was this moral part in me still, you know, as

(17:10):
I also have in my bloodline that I'm a Moravian.
And if anybody remembers the story about the Moravians, they
went into a revival where they prayed twenty four hours
a day, for one hundred years, so I have that
in my bloodline. I'm Aravian in my bloodline. So that
also kicked into me and was in there as I

(17:32):
was battling this, and so in the midst of me
being violent a lot of times, I was kind of
like a Robin Hood. So if somebody came to me
and said, you know, somebody took my car, which I
was just telling the kids that story in the car
about this little girl having me, I went and got
her car back for her from these people that had
tooken it. Or you know. I had a lady that

(17:55):
was handicapped and her parents had died in an airplane crash,
and so they had left her their property, and so
she made money by selling antique furniture, but she also
made money by slinging dope. She was a dope seller,
and so somebody introduced me to her because she needed
a good source that had really good dope so that

(18:16):
she could make money. So I actually went and met
her and we got along so good. She was handicapped
and she had MS or something like that, and started
supplying over dope. And then she told me this terrible
story how she had been selling these antiques, and a

(18:37):
big biker dude that everybody knew we nicknamed him the Monster,
had said, yeah, you know, I'll take some of your
stuff and get rid of it for you and sell
it for you. And he took it and he never
brought back any money, and he never brought back the stuff.
And it's like, I was the person that if you
told that story to me, I would be like, where

(18:59):
is he. I'm gonna go get your stuff for you
right now. He should have never messed with you, because
now he will wish he never had to mess with me.
And I went and collected for her. I actually went
to that dude's house. He wasn't home. There were some
other people that were home that knew who I was,
so when I showed up, they were all like oh,
And so I said I'll wait for him because they're like,

(19:21):
you need to leave. He's not your Houn's like, oh wait,
And I went outside. He pulls up and I'm with
a friend of mine and I got the girl with
me in another car. He comes up and he's towering
over me. This dude's like six five plus veer down here.
Monster guy. That's why they call him the monster. And
he walks up and he goes, what do you want?

(19:42):
And I'm standing looking straight up in the air at him,
and I'm like, so, and I won't say this person's name.
I said, so, you took some furniture from my friend
so and so. And he goes, I don't know what
you're talking about. I go, you don't know what I'm
talking about, man, I don't know what you're talking about.

(20:03):
I said, so, you don't know who so and so is.
He goes, I don't know what you're talking about. And
I look at my friend and I said. He says,
he doesn't know what I'm talking about. And I reached
behind and pull out my pistol and put it right
underneath this chin and I said, you know what I'm
talking about now, man, and he squealed like a little girl,
and I said, get in the house. And he ran
in the house and we all went in and there

(20:24):
everybody's in there, know, like, and so I'm standing there.
I'm like, where's this stuff? He goes, what stuff? What stuff?
I'm like, stand by. I go to the door and
I go like this and here comes in this girl,
the handicapped girl who I'm getting this stuff for. I go,
you know what I'm talking about now, man, And he goes, oh, hey,
how are you doing? Long time? Don't see? Hey, I'm

(20:45):
so sorry I didn't get back to you, blah blah blah.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, save it. Where's
the stuff? He takes us to this huge storage like
metal building, two rolling up doors stuffed full of stuff,
and I go, she's going to go in. She's going
to get her stuff, and she's going to pick out

(21:06):
whatever she wants. And he goes, oh okay, and I
go wait, wait wait. He turns back, and I go
and I'm going to go in and I'm going to
pick out whatever I want. And I saw him flinch, right,
and I go, you don't mind, right, and he goes, no, no, yeah, yeah. Oh.

(21:31):
I had a night vision clout goggles and swords and
pistoles and oh my gosh, I went shopping. But that
was the kind of thing I did. And I feel
I don't feel good about it. I don't want to
say that, but I feel like, okay, that was the
redeeming part that got put in me.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, you know, I mean, there is a modicum of
joy I'm picking up from the fruits of your labor
he got was coming.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
The beautiful thing though, is that God took all of that. Yeah,
put some living water on it, and dur in that
attitude against the kingdom of darkness. Yeah, I mean yeah,
because you're vicious. I mean you will go after it.
You will go after these serpents. They know when you're coming.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, I believe that's true.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
I I I want to talk a little bit just
about the transition, right so, because then I really want
to go some places. Yeah, but you got saved radically.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Uh yeah, it started off small, but then it turned radical.
I prayed the prayer of you know, receiving Jesus into
my heart when I was thirteen years old on a
beach in Hawaii. My aunt led me in the prayer
and I didn't really know what was happening. It's like, okay,
I'm just going to repeat after you because I love
you and I'm just gonna say this thing, and I

(22:53):
have no clue what it means. So I said the prayer, right,
receive Jesus in my heart. Well then after that like
full blown into life of crime, drugs, collecting, terrorizing, anything
you can think of. But then when I got arrested
finally on it. I had been arrested like thirteen times

(23:16):
in one year, and my final time was by the
Federal marshals. And that's when I was in a house
because okay, I got to back it up. Okay, So
what happened was is that this biker club gave me
money because they had taken this nineteen fifty five rear
wrap around window Chevy truck that I had and I

(23:41):
wanted it back. So I went to do a collection
on them. You know, which who's going to go collect
on a biker club by themselves. So I met them
at a restaurant at Denny's, and they were acting so
nice to me, and I was like, something's wrong, and
they I had done stuff with these guys before I
had weapons. I gotten them all kind of stuff that

(24:01):
I won't list because I could probably still go to
prison for it and everything else. And so we're sitting
at Denny's. We're having this discussion, and I'm saying, I
want my truck back and I want the money. You
also owe me money. So they said, oh, yeah, yeah,
we'll go down to the clubhouse. They had this huge
garage and a clubhouse, a huge garage on the corner
of the street and a quantt hut in the middle,

(24:23):
and I'm like, okay, great. So we got up from
the table, I went to the bathroom. I came out
and they're standing. I had a sorry, I don't mean
to let I had a stone motorcycle that I came
to the meeting on and they were out in the
parking lot standing around, the two of them, the president
and his right hand guy, looking at the bike. And

(24:44):
when I came out, they all went and I was like,
all right, I see how it is now. So they
I said, I'll meeting at the at the garage. So
they took off. So now I'm circling the bike and
I'm looking at everything. Know is what did they do?
And everything looked normal, Everything looked fine, So I, you know,

(25:05):
started it up. Everything's fine. So I rode the bike
down there and came into the garage and he was
gonna give me a tour so I could pick out
what I wanted because I found out they had cut
up the truck, which made me very very angry. So
we went into his office and he said, join a
little bit of dope, and I said, yeah, sure, and

(25:28):
he said go ahead and take out your rig and
you can you can fire it meaning you know I
used to inject my dope. Well, bikers one percenters, they
don't do that. That's like against their rules. So for
him to say, go ahead and take out your rig
and fire it up and you know, do an issue
is like, no, y'all don't do that, and you don't

(25:50):
allow it around you. So he I get out of
spoon that I have and he puts some dope in it,
and then he goes, I'll leave you alone, and he
goes out of the office and shuts the door, and
I go like this, I go rat poison and he
was trying to give me a hot shot. So I laugh,

(26:13):
I throw it in the trash. I pull out my
own sack and I do a big issue and I
come out and everybody's like this. They're all like waiting
for me to keel over right, and I'm not, and
I'm thinking, I know what's happening, and I'm laughing inside myself.
So then he's taking me around the garage and he's like,
you can have this Harley basket case in this and

(26:36):
you can have this car and blah blah blah, blah blah,
And I'm taking the tour and the guy that was
with him is suddenly not there anymore. And I'm like,
what happened to so and so? I don't want to
say his name, what happened to so and so? And
he goes, oh yeah, he laughed, blah blah blah. Well
he had gone out side, and while I was inside
being distracted by this, he'd taken the masterlink off my

(26:59):
motorcycle chain. So then after promising me the world, he says, Okay,
go and meet me at the clubhouse and I'll give
you some cash. So we go outside. He gets in
his truck and he flips a U and pulls out
the wrong way because in front of this garage was
only a one way street and it went into this

(27:20):
like figure eight and then up on the freeway. And
I'm thinking, why is he going the other way? So
I get on this bike that's stolen, and it has
a master link off of it now and I don't
know it. And I get on the bike and start
it up, and I get down to the corner. I
get to the corner, I punch it. When I punch it,
the chain snaps breaks apart. Rolls wraps around the back

(27:43):
tire and I go into a straight skid, straight skid
right into the curb that's in front of me, and
my front wheel hits the curb and the back tire
just goes pop up in the air and I tumble
like three times into overin come down into this parking
lot of a hotel. There's a secure guy there. He
runs out with his walkie talking. He goes, Oh my god,

(28:05):
I've never seen anything so bad in my life. And
he gets on the walkie talking and starts going, oh,
send the police department down here, send an amason. And
I'm like hearing police an ambulance. And I get up
right and I didn't know what I'd broke my collarbone,
I'd skind all the meat off my hip, my hands
were all skinned up. I smacked my heads out. I

(28:25):
got out horrible, you know, head trauma, head injury. I'm
bleeding down my head and I get up and goes, no, stop, man,
stop stop. The last time I had to have the
mbins come down and make it up stories, I'm like,
I had to pay this huge bill. Stop you cancel
that right now, and don't call the cops. I'm fine,
And now I'm trying to pick up the bike because
I'm trying to escape, and then I realized I can't

(28:47):
pick it up because my I don't realize my collarbone
is broken. But then I realized, I look in the chain.
I'm not gonna go anywhere. There's no chain on the bike.
So I I'm trying now to struggle to unlock the
butt pack that I head locked and tied, you know,
secured under the seat, because it's got my dope in it,
it's got my gun in it, it's got everything in it.
And I finally get it on. The guy's like yelling

(29:07):
and he's like, the police will be here any minute.
Stop the Endlans will be here. And I'm like, oh no,
I'm not staying. I'm not paying that bill. Thanks a
lot for calling everybody, and I walk away. And as
I walk back to the garage, all the guys in
the club are standing outside there watching because they knew
what the president of the club was gonna do to me,
and they're all watching to see me be killed. And

(29:30):
now here I come, and they're like, so they start
shutting these huge doors, they start closing them, and I'm like,
what the heck. And I'm walking and the cops at
the end of the block. They come around the corner
and they hit the siren. You go boo. That's sent
a shock wave through my body and I literally leapt
like I don't know, eight ten feet through the doors

(29:51):
as they were closing. So now I'm out of the fire,
into the frying pan, out a frying pan, in the fire,
whichever direction it goes, and I'm looking at them a
I put my hand on my bag like I'm gonna
grab the pistol, and I said not now. The cops
were outside, so I said, take me to the back fence.
So they took me to the back fence. But I
couldn't climb it because my collar bone. I still have

(30:12):
a bone. You can't probably see it, but it's sticking
up here from that because I never went to the
hospital because they were looking for me, so I couldn't
climb it. I ended up hiding in the inner sanctum
the quants that had at this place or chest this huge,
huge metal door. I locked myself in there and I
hid underneath a desk because the copter came, the nail
copter once they found out the bike was stolen, and

(30:34):
it's right by this club that they know has a
history of stolen vehicles and drug dealing and all that.
They sent the copter out. So the copter's shining the
lights as it flies over the building into those square
windows that you see in warehouses, and I'm hiding underneath
the desk, and anytime I moved just slightly, since I

(30:56):
had such a bad head trauma, I started spinning, spinning, spinning, spinning, spinning.
I stayed there all night, and then finally in the morning,
when you know, the cops left, the copter left, it
got quiet. I literally took like an hour to an
hour a half to just to kind of roll over,
get on my knees, and there was a bathroom pretty close,
and I crawled to the bathroom, went in the bathroom,

(31:17):
pulled myself up, looked, got blood all over me everything,
and so I pull out a sack of dope. I
pulled out my sack. I did it hit because I
need to get energy to go right. So I did it,
got up, washed away as much blood as I could,
slip back my hair, took off my jacket and everything
to try to look different, went out the locked door,

(31:38):
and as I walked out. The guys were still there.
Just they're up all night because they're doing speed right
there up one night and they were underworking. They're under
all their bikes and cars working. And I walked out
and they all like frozen. I just put my hand
on the gun. I looked at all of them like, okay,
we can go right now, or you can let me
walk out the door, and so they all just they
didn't move. I walked out the door. I made it

(32:00):
back to the Dennis called my friend. She picked me
up and I got to her house. The next thing
I know, I'm in her shower to get all the
blood off. And now I must have passed out because
I'm late getting waterboarded by the shower head because I
passed out, and I'm on the bottom of the bath
dough and the waters feeding me in the face. I'm like,

(32:22):
I'm getting water boarded by the shower. Anyway, that's what
led me to actually accept some help from these guys
because I needed to make money because now I'm not working,
which is I was a meth cook and the collecting,
so now I'm not doing any collecting. I'm not cooking

(32:43):
any dope. So I'm not making any money. And these
guys found out what happened to me, and they kept
coming to my friend's house every day saying, Oh, look
we got you a flask. Oh look, we bought you
some red foss. Oh look we got you hy Die crystals.
They're bringing me everything I need to cook a batch
of meth and I'm like, no, no, no, no, because

(33:05):
my spider scents were going no, no, don't do it,
don't do it. And finally I'm not getting better, and
I'm like, okay, fine, I'll go with you. And they're like,
we have a place to cook. And we went up
to the place. It was full of batching trash, so
many cooks had been there, and I'm like, I can't
believe you brought me here. Somebody must know about this place.
Cops show up because somebody called and said there's another

(33:28):
group of people down in that house. Cops show up.
I'll keep the story short at this point, and I
ended up getting arrested by the FEDS. They took me
to the hospital because I the chemicals there that were
there were so prevalent they melted the soles of my boots.
They took me to the hospital for chemical burns. And

(33:49):
while I'm there, they were actually dragging me through the
parking lot by my feet. Cops. I'm sorry, I don't
mean to laugh. I'm sorry because I wasn't cooperating. So
I'm flat on my back and they got my ankles
and my feet and they're dragging me through the parking lot.

(34:12):
Imagine me not being cooperative, okay. And I was in
there for hours and then finally the guy comes in,
the Federal marshal. He uncuffs me from the bad and says,
get up, we're gonna leave now. And as soon as
he walks out of the cubicle, I jump up and
get dressed. And then I go to the cubicle and

(34:34):
look out, and he's out there talking to a cute nurse.
So I'm like, oh, bye, you know I escaped. No,
I did I escape, So I don't laugh, but it's funny,
no funny, Oh my gosh. Right, So I go out.

(35:01):
I walked down the hallway, get out the door, and
I turn around. He's still looking at the nurse. He's
still talking to the cute nurse. Wow. I'm like, oh,
he's a cake man. I'll run out into the road
and go stop stop. I need help because my boyfriend
is beating me up. And I'm not trying to mock
anybody who's really had your boyfriend beat you up, but
you know you can do that and people will stop
and pick you up.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
So I'm on my way to do that and I
physically can't move. I get arrested by the Holy Ghost,
and the Holy Ghost spins me around, and next thing
you know, I'm walking back into the hospital and I
can't stop myself. I mean, people say, you know, this
kind of stuff doesn't happen, it happen to me. I

(35:42):
didn't know it was the Holy Ghost. I didn't know
what was happening to me, except for that I had
already escaped. I was on my way out. I'm snickering
and going, oh yeah, eazy, you know, and I'm headed
now back in and these voices in my head are screaming, stop,
you have time. You still have time to turn around
and you can escape. And now know those were the demons,
And I headed straight towards the guy and I get

(36:06):
to where I stop and stand right behind him, the
Federal marshall, and he's still not turning around. He still
doesn't even know him right there, and I finally reach out.
I see my hand reach out and tap him on
the shoulder and then I'm like, what are you doing?
He turns around. It's like, oh my God, too late,
and he looks at me like he knew something had

(36:29):
just almost happened that was really bad. And then I
got taken into custody. So God himself arrested me. He said,
enough enough, you're done. Best thing that ever happened to.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Me, because then you met Jesus again again.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I did. When I went to when I went in
the there was a unit this never happens, a unit
that was open, and they put us in that unit.
Normally you go in and so crowded, just sleeping on
the floor in a boat what's called a boat. And
I had my own room and I'm in There's only
like three or four of us in there, and I'm like,

(37:13):
this is crazy. And then I get word that the
Feds are coming back because I was arrested underneath an
alias with I'd stold somebody's driver's license. I won't say
her name because she'd probably come back and sue me,
but they were coming to id me because they found
out who I really was, And so I'm in there

(37:34):
and I'm knowing I'm gonna get so much time for
this because I had a bunch of chems up at
that house. And I'm sitting there and I just feel
like I'm like about to pop, like wow, here I am,
look at what you've done again. You know you're gonna
go down all the way this time. And suddenly the
pressure inside me I just started and I started speaking
in tongues, speaking tongues, nobody laying hands. I mean nothing.

(37:57):
I'm speaking in tongues, speaking tongue, speaking tongue, and you know,
they'd already marched me out, and they'd already id'd me.
And that's what caused that pressure, and that's what started it.
I just started having encounters with God. I still had
that mixture of me, I'm still fighting. I'm fighting people.
I'm getting into fights with with not only other inmates,

(38:18):
but with cops. You know, like one cop I won't
say his name, God bless you, you know who you are,
would come in and shake me down three times, four
times a day. And all I had was like a comb,
a toothbrush, tooth, a toothpaste, and a bar of soap
and he'd come in and shake me down and until

(38:39):
like I'm literally like lunging at him and like I
want to fight. I went to lockdown. When I was there,
I think twenty one or twenty seven times, I can't
remember exactly now, but it was a lot wow. So
and I attacked the head of security. I rushed the
mail officer because she's stopped. My parents then were alerted

(39:00):
that I was in prison, and they started sending me
Christian materials and Bibles and books, and she would return them.
She'd send them back. So I went to mail call
one day and she told me, well, your parents sent
you something else of that Christian cr ap, you know,
And I sent it back. And by that time I

(39:22):
was just so I was like volcano, you know. So
I strategized she was really big, so I went walked up, sorry,
I went out to the top of the stairs in
the unit so I could run down the stairs and
get Momento cap her pad down the stairs and like

(39:45):
a bowling ball, just hitting the pins and wiped her
out right. And they took me to lockdown, which is
not new. I'd been in lockdown so many times, but
you know, and then God started doing stuff like you know, lockdown.
There wasn't a seg cell, it was a It was

(40:08):
the cells that they bring people in when they first
arrest them. So they're freezing cold. There's no bed, no blankets,
a little bench about this big metal bench that's what
you have to sleep on. If they do finally bring
you a mattress, it's filthy, it's covered with feces or
urine or blood, and you know, you throw it on
the floor and there's nothing in there in the huge
vents like this big blowing ice cold air and you're

(40:31):
in there just freezing. You start throwing toilet paper, wet
toilet paper to block off the air, or you're you know,
deciding how much toilet paper you can use because you
also have to use the bathroom. So it's that kind
of thing. And God just met me there. One time.
They finally took me out for a shower, because they

(40:52):
wouldn't take you out forever. They took me out for
a shower. I went in for the shower and there
was poop in the shower because people going there. So
I'm like, oh great. So I'm sitting there trying to
beat the poop down the drain with the water and
then I took off the old uniform and there was
a big trash thing in the corner. And it's usually

(41:13):
had uniforms like stacked a side. There was nothing in it.
I went over to dump the uniform. There I looked down.
There was a Bible at the bottom of the barrel.
And I'm like, no way, bro, because I'd actually started
reading the Bible. And I was like, because that was
the only book that was in this empty unit and
it was the only thing to do. And so I

(41:34):
read it and I was like, this is the coolest
thing ever. This has those stories about that kid and
the giant and that boat and a guy named Noah,
you know. I mean, wow, I didn't all those stories
are in this This is cool, you know. And I
just started reading it. And so there was this Bible
and I was like, oh my God. So I would
sit in these lockdown cells just reading and reading. And

(41:54):
I read the Bible from front to back, front to back,
over and over and over again in that season. So
God was working very beautifully. And there's so much more
to tell, but it. You know, I I got my
promise that God was going to even get me out
of doing my full sentence, which was twelve and a
half years and he did. Yeah, it was. It was

(42:17):
an amazing time. I loved it. I hated it, but
now I'm grateful.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Right, So, as you were talking, I was thinking about,
you know, some parallels, and I definitely I'm not on
that level. But when you talked about the taking over
of the body, I did make a connection. Mine's really silly.
This happened to me in twenty fifteen, okay, and God

(42:43):
was like you did, right, a prayer for Donald Trump.
And it was before he got elected the first time,
and I became aware that they were going to do
all kinds of witchcraft against this. The Kingdom of Darkness
was really gearing up for that, and I'd read some
of blogs about it, like they were pretty public at
that time. Oh yeah, we're gonna hithim with these curses
not and you know, we're gonna unpackt this in a

(43:06):
second as well. But like you know, my audience knows,
like I've been journeying with my human spirit now for
ten years.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
I love that teaching.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
So so uh so, my human spirit was online at
that time and we were in open communication. So my
human spirit was like, it's my job to write this
prayer for Donald Trump. Because my human spirit has been
very involved right in the ministry, especially constructing all these prayers.
It's like that that's his place of power. And so
I was like, okay, guy, I'm tired. So me and

(43:39):
my human spirit were not on the same page. I
was like, this is what's gonna happen. It's Friday, I'm tired.
I'm going to go to the movies. I actually watched
Lego Batman. I remember, I mean it was this. I
am not ashamed to say that. Uh, like I moved
blowing time. I so as a grown man, and you

(44:00):
know I wasn't I wasn't married at the time, right,
So I was like single guy living in TEXARKANAA like
I had nothing to do, no friends, just a bunch
of angels that hung around and like, I'm like, you guys,
just go take a hike. I'm going to do this.
So I went to the movies and then I was like,
I am eating tacos. Like my spirit's like, we're gonna
write that prayer today. I was like, I'm I'm I'm driving.

(44:24):
The last time I checked, this soul is driving the
bus on this body. Oh no, And so I got
in my car. I kid you not, my spirit started
driving this like I got pushed aside.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
I was like, oh, just like it took over me,
It took over your driving.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
And so my my spirit dance is like actually driving
the car.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
I'm like, oh my gosh, such.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
A better driver than me. Oh no way, Oh my gosh.
And I'm like, you know, driving past the MEXICANCCO place
where I was going to go, and I'm like, I
actually like looked at at it and just drove right
past it, turned and went into like where I was living,

(45:06):
Like wow, watched myself drive right past it and parked
the car, opened the door, marched myself up with the
office and worked on this prayer for him for the
rest of the night. Wow, like you know. And then
I said it but made a public I'm like, people,
you know, we need to pray for this guy whatever,
and a lot of people used it, and we eventually

(45:28):
molded into what we call the Leader's Prayer now and
began there and it was like, yeah, that takeover thing
con definitely happened, and it was totally redemptive, right, It
was totally redemptcause it put me on track with what
I was supposed to be doing.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Let me ask you a question then, So, since you're
bringing this example now, is there a way to pray
that that would happen more often?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I think so. I think that for most people, the
stronger the human spirit gets, the more likely things like
this are to happen, when, especially when the soulis medicine around. Well,
now I want to come back around to this, because
you know, I talked about the human spirity and we
had a few conversations about this, and then we got

(46:14):
to meet Katie's spirit.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
That was a game changing moment. I'd never done that
type of activation before, and I've done all this kind
of stuff, but that is what enabled me when you
talked to when you called my human spirit forward to
talk to my human spirit. And you might want to
give a little doctorate so people don't think we're nuts.
They already think we're nuts, and they love it.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I've chased off most.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Of the religious Oh, thank you Jesus.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
We'll talk about the religious spirits in a second.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
But no, okay, no, So you called up my human
spirit and began to engage with my human spirit, and
I knew I was molested, and I knew that, you know,
my of course I knew the hole in my bladder
and everything else, but I hadn't remembered that it was
and I didn't remember what happened during that time. But
when you talk to my human spirit, it's not It

(47:06):
was a great balance. It was a great balance. I
didn't remember the whole thing because that probably would have
retraumatized me. The Lord knows just what to give you,
but he showed me how this ended up and what
was used. I'm just gonna leave it at that to
cause this hole to be torn in my bladder. And

(47:28):
remember that, and I said, I see a blah blah,
And that totally explains so much for me right now.
And you were able to jump onto that revelation that
came from talking to my human spirit and actually like
judge that certain thing and remove it its effects from
my body. I mean, you went through a bunch of

(47:50):
things that actually took me to next level of freedom
because I'd already gotten a whole bunch of deliverance just
me working with Jesus in the Holy Ghost from that.
But this was like it was like the final the
cherry on the top man, the thing that broke the
whole pile, and it came from talking to Miami in spirit.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, but she's like a fireball. She is a warrior.
I mean behind all of the stuff. Like after having
the privilege of talking to Katie spirit, I'm like, yeah,
but that fireball was back there though. Yeah, there was
nothing that there was nothing that was going to change.
Who got created you to be so good? I'm glad
and uh, you know I and and and the beautiful

(48:34):
thing is that you know with your testimony, right, He's like,
you got created you a warrior. Now the devil tried
to usurp that to make you his warrior hit man,
hit woman. Yeah, and you hit a lot of people.
But then God took the reins back and and and
and actually fought for you.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah. And now he enables me to fight for him.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
And now he enables you to fight for him and
for others. And and I've you know, I've watched your minister.
I mean, you really go after it. You go after
the miracles, you go after the healings, you go after
the deliverance. And even when people don't have it in
them to believe God for their own breakthrough, you're standing
there believing God for their breakthrough. And I see a

(49:16):
lot of that coming right off of your spirit, because
your spirit is like, yeah, we could take them.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yeah, I love that part. And I'm the you know,
on the one of the guys that was carrying the
stretcher on the paralyzed man and digging through the roof
when he saw their face.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
So I want to talk a little bit about the
ministry field though. Now now you'll testify that they've sent
werewolves after you.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I've engaged with werewolves who were sent after somebody else
and I got in the way.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, okay, thank you for that. That. No, no, no,
now you are aware of things the enemy is doing
against people that a lot of folks want to disqualify.
They want to say, no, nope, nope, this is all
the enemy can do. Let's let's stay about this or

(50:15):
that stuff isn't real, or that stuff isn't real, and
you're a nut bag, and if you say that it is,
will actually attack you instead.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Oh yeah, I've had circles of pastors with high levels
of influence attack come together and attack me. But you know,
I got to look at the fruit, right, And I'm
not dissing anybody, but you know, and people they have,
they have their value in the kingdom, and I'm glad
for them. But you know, I don't see people leaving

(50:45):
their meetings, you know, delivered of lifelong afflictions, healed of cancer,
having metal disappear from their bodies, having their spines straighten out,
having their pain go. So I'd like to think that,
you know, you'll know them by their fruit. And I'm
and I again, I'm not judging people. I'm just saying
that what I believe, and because I've seen in scripture,

(51:07):
I back up everything with scripture. If anybody knows me,
they know that I always bring Bible, Bible, Bible, because
if you're going to talk about the weird stuff, you
better have scripture. So I always bring the receipts of
the Word. My experience is yoked with while these things
really exist, here's proof in the Word have produced fruit.

(51:30):
And so me being judged, it doesn't bother me. Though
I did reach a tipping point where there was so
many of these people that it was actually now, it
actually sent a a hit man in the spirit after
me to carry out a death contract. So that's when

(51:52):
it then, that's when it was like, okay, I got
Matthew eighteen. These guys now and I did, and I
had a couple of them repent. So yeah, we have
to stick to our convictions when I see people breaking down.
I had a lady last night, had a sea curve
at the top of her back and then a huge

(52:13):
indentation at the bottom. And this part was twisted. I
seen her spine, you know, snap into place. She was
sixty two years old. She fell on the floor bowling.
She was weeping for so long because God is so
good that he would fix her spine that she's had

(52:35):
from birth and so and that miracle is done through
a What some people would go, what kind of revelation
is that? Talking about snakes, rapter my people's spines? What
are you talking about? You know, people judge me for that,
but it gets results and it's in the scripture, So
I don't really care what people say. Even though, like
I said, I had to deal with finally death warrant

(52:56):
being issued against me from the demonic because of what
pastors and leaders were saying about me. But that's my reward.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Incredible, Yeah, incredible. I want to let you talk about that.
I want to let you talk about serpents and that
just like, walk me through that revelation, because it really is.
It's all over the New Testament. Obviously the serpent in
the garden, but this thing, there are different kinds of
snakes and they have physical implications on people's bodies. Explain it, well.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
You know, Jesus said it that we we've been given
authority to tramp on serpents and scorpions and overall the
power of the enemy, and nothing shall in anywise harm us. So,
I mean, what does that look like. We're supposed to
be a brain and study and know that Jesus was
saying that, first of all, in a demonic context. He
wasn't just saying that in this in the natural though.

(53:48):
In the natural Paul had to meaning over a snake
that bit him on the island of Maultan. He shook
it off and he's left unharmed. But in context in
that scripture, he had just sent out the seventy two
on a missionary trip and they came back and they said, wow,
even submitted to us in your name. And that's when
he said, I saw satan folic lightning from the sky.
I've given you dominion authority over serpents and scorpions and

(54:10):
over all the power of the enemy and nothing can
anyways harm you. Now, so in context, he's talking about demons, uh,
you know, snakes and scorpions and all the power of
the enemy, not just stuff in the natural. So when
you think about it, it's like, what does that mean. Well,
that means that some of the demons that submitted to

(54:33):
the disciples on their missionary journey were snakes. Snakes and
he go snakes. What demons manifest in different forms, and
one of the forms that's very often is serpents. I mean, look,
what is the first demonic manifestation in the Bible, the
serpent in the garden, and then all through the scriptures,
talking serpents are peppered into all the scriptures, and then

(54:55):
at the end, Satan's called that old serpent. It bookcases
the scriptures. So we're dealing with these with these snakes,
and the snakes were cursed to go on their belly
all the days of their life after the serpent in
the garden, you know, shipwrecked all of mankind through the
you know, eat from this tree. It won't hurt you.

(55:16):
And so they're cursed to go on their belly. What
does that mean they're the ground game. It says that
they're gonna go on their belly on the dirt and
eat the dirt for the rest of their lives. Eat
the dust. What do we made of dust? They literally
eat this dust. They wrap around your organs and decay
your organs. They wrap around your cartilage and your knees,

(55:37):
and your shoulders and your elbows and eat the cartilage
till you're bone on bone. They some of them are poisonous,
so they're injecting venom in you that manifest in the
form of gout, arthritis, cancer, tumors, digestive disorders, you name it.
It's like when I deliver people. Because we're supposed to

(55:59):
Matt you, I'm sorry. Mark sixteen says, we're supposed to
take up serpents. It's a great commission. Go out pre
the gospel, baptize people, you know, heal the sick, raise
the dead, and take up serpents. Nobody talks about that.
They kind of slide over it. Uptis the Nusians heal
the sick, drive out demons, take up serpents. You know,

(56:22):
they don't know what to do with it.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
You're not wrong, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
They don't know what to do with it. So I do,
and I'm glad that God gave me the weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
No, but it's producing oracles.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Oh my gosh. I pull snakes off of people's knees
and their cartilage grows back. I pall snakes off of
people's necks and all their pain leaves and their necks
straightened out. I can't tell you how many spines I've done.
We'll show up before and after picture right here. This
guy that you're seeing right now, he happened to have
a picture of it because he's like a bodybuilder kind
of like. He has a picture as you can see

(56:56):
on the left hand side of the screen of him
in twenty nineteen, and you can see how twisted his
spine is. So he comes to keenan Bridge's place in
November of two thousand and I forget it was like
a year or two ago, and I pulled a snake
off his spine. His spine snaps into place. You can,
I mean, you can see the bar before and after

(57:16):
right there in the picture, Okay, And I mean his
wife was shocked. She was running her hand down his spine, going,
I am so shocked. Right now, I cannot believe this
has happened, all his pain left everything. I've seen that
happen hundreds of times. That's normal. People have these twisted spines,
it has spinal stenosis, of scoliosis, lowered dodoss. They have

(57:42):
all these doses and scosis and all this other stuff.
And it's not It's a snake carrying out the ground game.
Because snakes and witches always worked together, you know, like
the woman with the spirit of divination. The word divinations
means pythons, So she was a witch operating in the
ability to divine the few for her masters. She won
for her master's much gains, which means it was in

(58:04):
charge of the money. It was a snake that was
talking to Paul when it said, these men are here
to show me the way the most high gone, and
the way to salvation. That voice of the python sounds
just like God or the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Let's talk about the false prophetic. Yeah, what's the deal.
I mean, I think it's a.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Snake, you know, and it can come upon a prophet
through many different ways. Let's say that prophet uses their
words to curse people because people out complain get bitter
well romans three, the poison of asps is under the lips,

(58:41):
whose mouth is full of bitterness and cursing, so their
mouth invites the snake. Okay. Then also Levithan, who is
the twisting fleek serpent. He's the king and the children
of pride. You get these prophets, they get into so
much pride. Oh look at me, I just read somebody's mail.
You know, I'm so accurate this and that, blah blah blah,

(59:04):
And then that brings on the snake, and then pretty
soon you're not listening to the voice of the prophet.
It's just like the woman with the spirit of divination.
You're listening to the voice of the snake. It was
the snake that was talking to Paul said he went
for many days grieved, couldn't figure out what was going on.
I love how it says that vextin grief for many days.
Meaning these snakes are so sneaky that their masters of

(59:27):
camouflage technology. Okay, you can't see them. Their scales blend
in with the environment of the Bible says in Genesis three,
there the most craftiest beast of the field, so you
cannot see them. Okay, So they're there and you don't
even know it. So these people, these prophets that get
into pride and then the snake is talking to you.

(59:50):
Paul didn't even know. He didn't figure it out for
many days. And this is the apostle, Paul, because they
can be there. I've seen snakes on peop people that
have been there for decades. Wow, Christians that have been
through deliverance will still have a snake on them, multiple snakes.
So though there, and it's the voice of the python

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that was talking to Paul. And it's the voice of
the python that's prophesying the future, prophesying the events. So
it's that too. And then it's also the religious spirit
because Jesus and John the Baptists called the Pharisees, oh
you Brew of vipers. Yeah, I mean they were controlled.
They were men who were controlled by demonic snakes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
You know, I've I've seen a lot over the years.
But the reality is, I believe that deliverance is line
items specific. Right, when you say a person is going
to go through deliverance, it's like, well, yes, the line
item up may be the spirit of hatred, so you
deal with that and you go through a deliverance. But

(01:00:57):
it doesn't mean that the spirit of pride was dealt
with in that deliverance. So people that say, well I
went to a deliverance, I got delivered, someone laid their
hands on me and three four to ten spirits left,
it's like, okay, that doesn't mean the job is dumb.
It's like a line one of specific. So so what
she said is one hundred percent all day. I've seen

(01:01:19):
that as well. And you know, I was sitting down
with the person. This was years ago, and she's like, well,
I got there, I went to this conference, got the anointing,
and ever since I go to that conference, every time
I you know, someone starts worshiping or you know, people
are praying, or you know, the man or woman of
God comes running, you know, and that's when I get
the prophetic word. And it's like, oh, when you did
that thing. And she's like, yeah, this is the holy

(01:01:41):
it's the holy ghost. They laid hands on me. And
I've had the Holy ghost ever since. I said, I
don't think that's a holy ghost, friend, I actually think
I think that's a Kundalini. I think that's the thing.
Oh no, Dan dub Ball, You're wrong, you you know, yeah,
ask her where it was ten minutes later, right, because
that was sent camping to the abyss. But it was

(01:02:02):
the same, It was a Kundalini and it was transferred
out of prophetic conference.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Wow. Okay, well okay, so while that's that Python the
spirit of divination witchcraft, Okay. So here I want to
say two things about that. Number one is I am
concerned about the younger generation of deliverance ministers because they're
delivering people from the bottom up instead of the top down.
So they're going after fear and hate and anger, and

(01:02:28):
you need to deal with those things too. But whereas
people like you, I mean, I'm not saying we're better,
I'm just you know, giving we go after the strong
man and then after that you can thoroughly ransack his house.
So the problem is when you kick out fear and
things like that, there are way bigger demons over those
things that are still there, okay, And these people do

(01:02:49):
not have the authority to kick out the way bigger demons.
So I am concerned about that because then it just
gets stronger. Okay. Then the other thing is this that
impartation of pythos on people with the lay of hands
of the prophetic is so common now you nailed it

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with that. I see people undulating and all that that
is a python. That there's slithering like snakes. The good
example is is Moses is carrying a rod. He has
to flee Egypt. He's a shepherd now for who knows,

(01:03:31):
I think forty years. He sees he's about to be
commissioned by God to go free the Israelites from slavery
in Egypt. Okay, so God arranges an encounter. There's a
tree that is burning with fire, and fire drives out snakes.
By the way, look at Paul. He's carrying a snake.
He doesn't know it. When he lays the wood on

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the fire, the snake is driven out by the heat
of the fire. Holy fire drives out snakes. Snakes hate fire. Okay.
So there's a tree that's burning but does not burn up.
So moseses I usual turn aside and see what this
thing is. And he goes up there and with his
rod in his hand, he's out in the field. You
doing the sheep thing, hurting the sheep, and God has
to take off his shoes. This is holy ground. And

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God begins to tell him that he's being commissioned. That's
in chapter three of Exodus. Chapter four, he goes, but
what if he's telling him, go to your people and
tell him. I said, this is like, well, if I
go to them, they won't believe me. They won't believe
what I say. And God doesn't respond to his statement
or his fear or his doubt. He goes, this, what
is that in your hand? And he goes, it's a rod. Now,

(01:04:36):
first question is do we think that God doesn't know
what's in Moses's hand? He absolutely knows. He wants to
know if Moses knows what he's been carrying around since
he was raised in Pharaoh's household. Who wears a cobra
on his crown and everyone in the household is called
to worship the snake. God wadget who's in charge of

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the household, including most that was required required education. And
God asked him that question, not because he doesn't know
what's in Moses's hand, because he wants to know if
Moses knows what he's been carrying around for forty years. Wow,
he cast it down in the ground, and he did so,

(01:05:18):
and it became what it really was, a serpent, the
symbol of royal and divine power worn on the crown
of the pharaohs. Look, he picked up this serpent when
he was raised in Pharaoh's household because the wadge that
Pharaoh warre on his crown was the ruling power in

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Pharaoh's household. He picks it up because he's forced to
learn about it and worship it and learn how to
bring sacrifices to it. Everyone in Egypt that was a
big part of their education. Serpents are masters of camouflage technology.
It had been disguising itself as a rod the whole time.
Now God's about to send He's commissioning Moses in this

(01:06:02):
story to go back to the snake King Pharaoh and
have Pharaoh release the people from their slavery. You cannot
deliver people if you've got something in common with the
spirit you're going after. He had to be delivered of
that snake before he could go and take on the

(01:06:23):
snake king. He could have never freed the Israels from
captivity if he was carrying around a serpent. So God
picks a sign. God doesn't just pick a sign of
the hat today above. You know what I mean. He
picks specific signs for specific reasons. And he picked a

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tree that was on fire, that didn't burn up to
drive that snake out of its hiding place, because fire
drives snakes out of their hiding place. And so when
he threw it in the ground, it became that rod
king what it really was, a snake, a serpent. And
it even says that the symbol of the and divine
power worn on the crown of Paraos. Yeah, that's where
he picked it up from, in the household af Pharaoh.

(01:07:05):
And he says, and he fled from it. You see,
God had to deliver him. And not only did it
the fire that was present through the holy fire drive
the snake out of hiding, and it was also burning
up the chaff inside of him. That's what the Bible says,
Jesus comes and baptize us with the Holy spirit of
unquenchable fire and burns up the chaff. Yes, he had
to burn up the chaff that was inside of Moses.

(01:07:25):
So he had nothing in him that was in common
with Satan, so Satan wouldn't have any power over him.
John fourteen thirty goodness. So then that he fled from
it because he's afraid of it. But then after as
God says, okay, now, pick it up by the by
the tail. You don't pick up a snake by the
tails swing around by you. So how's he do that?
He picks it up and it turns back into rod.

(01:07:47):
But this time now it's purified. This time it's the
rod that will actually free the Israelites from their captivity
in Egypt. It will open the Red Sea, it will
strike the rock and water will come out. So he
had to make it into the real rod by driving
the serpent off of hit and he did it by fire.
And now when Moses reaches out to pick it up,

(01:08:07):
he's not no longer afraid of it because it's no
longer in him. The fires also burned up everything he
picked up in his soul that he picked up in
Pharaoh's household. So this is important because now here's my point.
To compare to what you said about people receiving an
impartation of pythos through the prophetic. You know, we impart

(01:08:29):
to you the prophetic mantle, blah blah blah blah blah.
If those people are carrying the pythos or any other serpent,
and they come across somebody in the congregation that is wanting,
you know, let lay your hands of me. I want
to prophesy, but they have like rebellion or witchcraft in
their history, like they grew up in a in a

(01:08:52):
witchcraft household, like Moses grew up in Pharaoh's household. Whatever,
that python will slither and impart and wrap around them too.
It will multiply itself.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Here's the thing. So you know, I'm so glad we
having this conversation. Yeah, it's powerful now now you're talking.
Both both of us, I think, agree on the prophetic.
God's prophetic and the legitimacy of it. Because you prophesy, yeah,
I mean I prophecye at times. You know, it's like
there is something so legitimate. As a matter of fact,

(01:09:23):
the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
The problem is when I've like for me, I've sat
across the table from so many people. Yeah, and I
mean from from from like high level cult defectors to
ministers in churches and pastors and this, and you know,
i mean businessmen and politicians, Hollywood people like you know,

(01:09:51):
it's and you see the way the devil is getting
in right and and and circumvent that legitimate anointing that
God has sent people in with like, you know God,
God will make an investment. The Bible says, his inheritance
is in the body us, like, and God is like

(01:10:13):
trying to unlock us to get his inheritance back to himself.
Like we are so important to God, and he blesses
us and then bows us with things. And the devil
comes behind all of that and says, how can I
defile this thing, pervert it, corrupt it, and then use
it for a different purpose. And so, you know, so

(01:10:33):
I see all this stuff, and you know, I sit
down with people that you know have a prophetic leaning
and it's like, oh, third eye, h python h. And
you know, and it's like I've had to do the
other side of it where it's like, oh, we are
totally about the prophetic, the legitimacy of it. But what
I've mapped is that the devil has hijacked the prophetic.

(01:10:55):
And sometimes he starts that hijacking process early in life.
He assures that people with that profit mentle are going
to be subjected to childhood trauma to open the gate
to things they will dissociate, so he can defile the
ministry even before it's launched and have that permanent gate
of backdoor access, so that when it comes time to

(01:11:17):
use the prophetic to defile, then it is being used
to defile. And that breaks my heart. Right, I think
that God is in a season right now of restoring
confidence in the prophetic, but that is going to require
some deliver.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Yeah, everybody needs to get up there. I'm sorry to say.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
You don't have to you, you don't have to obey
the rules here, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
These leaders that have influence online and all this, they
get on this high horse now unfortunately, I'm sorry, and
suddenly they become big for their breeches and don't think
they need to listen to anybodybody else's stuff, or don't
think they need deliverance or anything else like that, and
our accountability, and then they're that pollution that's on them

(01:12:09):
gets imparted. Think about we'll go back to Moses again.
What you just said. It had the devil ranges for
stuff to happen in their youth and when they're growing up,
so that they're impregnated and implanted with things that later
on can could take down the whole whole project, could
take down their whole church, take down their whole minister,
take down their family, take down their marriage. That's why
God had to get Moses delivered before he went to

(01:12:31):
free the Israelites. Now, think about it. So Moses has
a shepherd's rod. The shepherds, now they're hurting their sheep
with a shepherd's rod that's really a snake that's disguising
itself as a shepherd's rod. And their gift. I had
this dream once their gifts, there's a snake in their
gift bag. I had a dream shortly after I got

(01:12:55):
that revelation, which was like twelve years ago now or more,
that I was walking around with this bag of gifts,
you know, gifts, annoynings, miracle working, deliverance, all this stuff,
teaching them, you know, all of it. And I was
walking around carrying this bag like look at me, I
got all these gifts. Isn't this amazing? Oh yes, yes?
And then I heard a rustling in the bag and

(01:13:16):
I knew it was a snake. I was like Moses.
I was carrying around the gift bag the shepherd's rod,
and it was really a snake. And so I was
in this park with all these people, because all these
people are exposed to these shepherd's rods that are being
carried carried by these shepherds that are really not rods
or snakes disguising themselves as shepherd's rods. And I set

(01:13:38):
down the gift back and I screamed, get back, and
everybody in the park like stopped walking, jumped back, and
then we're all sitting there watching the bag and it's
jiggling and out comes this big, huge snake. I had
been soaking in fire at that time, and the soaking
in fire drove that snake off my gifts because I

(01:14:00):
had mixed. I had mixture in my gifts. I had
these great gifts I was operating in and that's what
everybody gets so impressed by. And lay hands on me,
and I want that annoying and give me an importation. Really,
if I would lay hands on you now to impart
to you with gifts and a snake to go with it,
and a snake on the side, you know what I mean,

(01:14:22):
that's what's happening. It's just what you said that person
was like you said the story about the woman. Yeah,
and they laid hands on me, and now I prophisey
and I shake and I slithered like a snake when
I promise, and that's when I get the prophetic word. No,
you're hearing that sport of divination release the word Wow,
Snake is speaking. Snake has spoken since the garden.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
It's it's it's wild, you know. And one of the
things that I have to thank God for is like
for me. Right, So I started in ministry, but with
with with you know, just one hundred percent like wholesale
rejection rights, like we're not going to disciple this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
This guy's a nut.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Guys, it was a problem, like you know, and then
you know, God took me on the path he took
me on, but the path I had to take. I'm
literally trying to help people get free of problems that
I don't understand, right, and so as I was walked
into that by God, every prayer resource I ever put

(01:15:21):
together for any person, I mean in any situation I
got like I used them all all myself. And you know,
in the process of that, some of the stuff was shocking,
like I would write a prayer for the most ridiculous
stuff like there's no way this could possibly be my problem.

(01:15:42):
But I mean doing the prayer for myself afterwards, you know,
someone else got said free with this resource, I'm doing
it for myself. Oh so sweet through you know, yawning
like yawning deliverance. Oh my gosh, where did that come?
And so you know, I thank God that I had

(01:16:04):
to take that path.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
You and me are like little twins, crazy, right, it's
the same thing. I would find something crazy in the scriptures.
I'd have a problem and I'd be like, I need
I need to solve this problem. I need a revelation God.
So I go into worship, deep deep worship, and then
I'd get a revelation of a scripture. I'd read it

(01:16:28):
and I'd be like, wow, that is a trip. That
is exactly what I'm dealing with. And the Bible's telling
me to do this. But God, is there any more
of those scriptures that harmonize with this? Because I got
to prove it, because by the testimony of truth through witnesses,
every matter is established. Establish that this matter that you're
telling me, this, this way of deliverance is real in

(01:16:50):
the Bible. And then he'd give me another one and
another one and they'd all harmonize. So then I'd be like, oh, okay,
I'm gonna start decreeing this and and then I would
decree it. Now I would get a massive deliverance. And
this happened so often that then I started, Actually, I
have a radio background, so I started recording my scripures
with like and then I put a little music underneath it,

(01:17:11):
and then I'd soak to it and speak it. So
now I have all these soakers now online that were
birthed out of my problem that I was suffering with.
When God would give me some crazy answer that isn't
like how everybody else does it, and it would work,
and then I would say, hey, you know, I'd run
into my people or whatever. Oh you have that I

(01:17:32):
had that too. Here listen to this and then they
call it man, that worked. I did it, and I
prayed with you and I soaked to it, and it worked.
I'm delivered. And so I have like, over my course
of doing this, I've created all these soakers to do that.
And it was the same things what you're doing is like, Okay,
that crazy thing that looked like, now that's not real.

(01:17:55):
I got so much scripture about it that now it
is real and it works.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
I want to talk to you about something else. I
really have two more line items. I really want to
get to this interview line item number one. So we
talk about serpent spirits, snake spirits, python, but the religious spirit, Katie,
I want to. I want to. I've had a battle
with this spirit, you know, since the beginning, Like you know,

(01:18:23):
we we go to blows. The religious spirit is a
problem and it gets no way of everything. I mean,
every good thing, and the Bible says, you know, every
good and perfect gift comes down from the Father of Lights.
It's like, but the religious spirit is the umbrella that
make sure it doesn't rain on you. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Yeah, God, and I want.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
To just let you kind of rant a little bit.
I'll take my turn, but like, let's talk about the
religious spirit and why why God needs to get it
out of his way.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Yeah, okay, So let's talk about Paul for a second.
Because I mentioned before that Jesus and John the Baptists
called the Pharisees, oh you brute of vipers. So that
means that they were men controlled by demonic serpents. Okay,
and pride in their belief systems was one of the reasons.
So people will come at us with a religious spirit

(01:19:19):
because their pride makes them believe that they know all
the right doctrine, and only the doctrines that they've adhered
themselves to are the correct doctrine. And so that must
mean that your doctrines that don't fit in their box,
in their little cookie cutters must be wrong, when actually

(01:19:40):
Jesus is the only real doctrine. He is the doctrine.
So okay, so now let's talk about Paul. Paul. Look
what Paul did, right, He hunted Christians down, He got
arrest warrants for them, he imprisoned them, He stood by
holding the coats while they stone Stephen. I mean he

(01:20:00):
went after Christians. That is a religious spirit. Now, he
himself said I was a pharisee among pharisees, right, and
he was trained by the top pharisee, a guy named Gomille. Right. Okay,
So do you remember when Jesus finally had enough and
met him on the road to Damascus, knocked him off

(01:20:21):
his high horse. This is what we have to pray
for all the religious spirited people. They'll get knocked off
their high horse. Okay. And he was blinded, yes, And
then he goes and he goes into fasting and prayer.
And then Anonius has called to go over to the
murderer's house. Can you imagine that assignment. Go over to

(01:20:42):
the guy that's murdering everybody and pray for him, lay
hands on him and pray for him. It's like, oh, like,
let me go in here and before anything happens, I'll
run away anyway. So he goes and prays for him,
and he says in something like scales fill off his eyes. Yes,
those were snake scales. Just think about it. I'm a

(01:21:03):
pharisee among Pharisees. I'm trained by the top Parsee Camille
and Pharisees were called, oh, you brood of vipers. So
what happens is is these people that get into pride,
get into a religious spirit, start persecuting other people like
us and other people. They get controlled. They become swarming

(01:21:26):
with snakes, controlled by snakes, and the scales on the
snakes go on their eyes and they cannot see the truth.
And then Psalm fifty eight to four, the deaf adder
that stops of the ear goes in their ears, stops
their ear from hearing the truth, stops their eyes from
seeing the truth. Think about the Pharisees, their messiah, who
they study the tour every day to learn about, believing

(01:21:51):
he was gonna return and save Israel and free them
from the Romans and everything else. The one that they
were looking for every single day and every single hour
of their study was standing right before in front of them,
and they didn't see him. Why snake scales on their eyes.
I have seen that happen so many times, where even

(01:22:11):
like good Christians who love the Lord and believe, okay,
God told us to do this this project, that project,
this project, that project, and then they'll start going after it.
They'll bring other people in to go after this really
great project. Right, but maybe something happened in their life,
like they were molested or trafficked or abuse, so they've

(01:22:33):
got this opening in their soul. Right, the enemy will
come in, the snake. The witches curse them, the snake
comes in to carry out the curse, and then they
implant the death adder in their ears. They put snake
scales in their eyes, and pretty soon they shipwrecked the
entire project.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
They start, no, we're not gonna do that, We're gonna
do this now, and they start sending everybody in a swirl.
They start turning on the peace people that were so
excited and ignited by faith to do that project with
them because it was from the Lord, and everybody felt
it and knew it and was getting words of knowledge

(01:23:13):
about it and dreams about it and everything else. They
suddenly go a completely different direction, burn everybody that was
involved with them, take down the whole project, all the
money spent on it gets trashed because now they have
snake scales on their eyes. And then because there's witchcraft involved,
because they had an opening in their soul that allowed

(01:23:35):
the curse to land, cause this curse cannot alone cannot alight,
and the snake's carrying out the curse. Because they have
that opening their soul, they start getting very prideful and
judgmental against the people they just burned. So they not
only burn them, but then they go around telling everybody else,
don't have anything to do with those people there. This

(01:23:56):
is that. It's like, no, no, no, no, you were
the one that sabotaged that entire project, wasted all the money,
took down the people, betrayed the vision that God gave you.
And but then that'll get so prideful, like hell, that
was They're stupid, They don't have anything to do with them. Blah,

(01:24:17):
blah blah. It becomes this huge implosion, explosion, and it's
so sad, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
To add to that conversation, I just have a different
vantage for point on life at this juncture because I've
gotten the opportunity to sit behind the veil on so
many people's journeys and to see how, you know, lack

(01:24:52):
of better terms of sausage is made like what is
the mechanics going on and the soul, the spirit, the body, ye,
the spirit world around them, the bloodline that's producing outcomes,
and I get to see, oh, if this and that,
if this net, this net. One of the things that
I found fascinating is some of the most staunch religious

(01:25:16):
opponents of the move of God are actually double agents.
Oh they are survivors wow, Satanic cults that have been
programmed to be in the church. And the problem is

(01:25:36):
they are Christian presenters carrying an occult doctrine and agenda
into the body of Christ. So the move of God
and where Jesus and His only Spirit are actually breathing,
violates the programming to the point that the programming must
be defended against the threat of consequent And these are

(01:26:00):
internal structures strong men et cetera, et cetera. And so
that person believes it's almost like a life or death
crusade to shut down the move of God's spirit, and
the religious spirit rises up, but it's sitting on this platform.

(01:26:21):
And and this happens way more often than people realize.
I've become aware of things like Starmaker programs. Starmaker programs
are projects where children of certain parents are actually sold
and they are put through a series of programming exercises

(01:26:43):
with evil people that curate the charisma and the gift
on the inside of them, but puts it in a
shattered structure internally that can be heavily manipulated. And some
of these people are then bankrolled and placed as key
leaders in various denominations. And so because it's a total
infiltration agenda by the Kingdom of darkness, so what we

(01:27:04):
sometimes call a religious spirit is actually a programmed individual
carrying out some and until the programming is thoroughly exposed
in challenge to the presenter's understanding, they can't even see
why they're so religious or why they feel so adamantly opposed.
And what part of the problem that I've run into

(01:27:26):
is my frequency triggers programming, defensive protocols, autumn. My gosh,
automat the moment that my voice gets heard, like people's
programming freaks out because yeah, because all the spirits, they
kind of know who I am. Yeah. So all right,
now you're on you see you're biting at the bit, Katie,
I have I have to let you talk.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
About Okay, Now I had to hear that. Okay, So
I have a bunch of questions. Now, are they Manchurian candidates?
Do they not know what they're doing because the programming
is so deeply embedded in the subconscious and in the
layers of their you know, of the records of their life,
or or are they totally aware of what they're doing

(01:28:07):
and it's intentional? That's my first question.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Go Now, my opinion is they're not fully aware.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Okay. That's what I feel is.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
A Christian presenter is a highly manipulated individual that doesn't
understand the source of their affections, desires, and uh motivations
fully that's the beauty from the kingdom and darkness perspective
of their projects.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Okay, So now I've noticed and you tell me, and
you tell me other symptoms. Now I'm interviewing you. Okay
that a lot of those people, they have a way
of making people feel so sorry for them. That person
that they're attacking is just the worst. And they did
this and this, and then people like, oh, you poor thing,

(01:28:58):
I can't believe they did that horrible thing. That's one
of their mechanisms. That is that programmed into them? Or
is that the solo show and responding to what they perceive.
Are there unknowing that they're actually being used as an
implantation to take down a church or a project or something.
Is that or is that just a soul reaction or
is that a demonic programming? What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Well, I think it's a combination of all of the above.
And the reality is it's the answer is just yes.
And the truth that I've watched is when when when
real men and women of God take take a call
and they are not backed by far no, no, no, no,

(01:29:44):
by by systems and structures. Okay, that's it in the
realm of the religious program that's hijacking the body of Christ. Okay,
the path to influence is staunchly more difficult, Like I
I know what this has cost me to get to

(01:30:07):
this point, right, I know the person I pay and
I basically, you know, in the spirit world, had to
get into a fistfight essentially with every demon in Hell,
Satan himself included. We we We've done multiple head to
head battles. I'm not afraid of that guy. In the
name of Jesus. I know I'm on the winning side
and I'm still standing right, But I've had to contend

(01:30:27):
with all of these guys, you know, the top ranking
military in the Kingdom of Darkness. You know, Okay, let's
go fight. And the reality is, uh, I know what
it cost me to get this far. And I look
at other situations and I'm like, wow, you are so
religious yet so influential. You don't even know what I'm

(01:30:48):
talking about. That's the part. That's the part that gets
wait a minute, wait a minute. You have a church
of five thousand people. You don't even know what I'm
talking about. How does But you're so religious?

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
I know, I know, and we're so foolish.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
But you know, and I've had to just reconcile. You know,
maybe I'm just an unlikable person, you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Know, oh no, no, But but.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
At the end of the day, we love you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
So it's like whatever to everybody else that doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
So we'll watching this podcast, like, speak for yourself, Katie.
I can't stand this guy just came here to troll
his comments.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Section troll away.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Okay, but but but yeah, so so the answer is
all evil and that whole victim play if they tried
it on me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
I've had to even went this church plan over here.
I began having to train the church. I'm like, look,
you have to trust me as your leader.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Right right right?

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Oh my god, are going to be cool. They get
flushed out of this body. Wow, And you just have
to trust that I know what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Oh my gosh. That resonates so big. It's the same
thing with me. I've had higher level people in my
administrative structure actually believe that those stories of people who
are totally operating in Jezebel, and it's like, uh, hello, guys,
this and this is happening. You need to turn on

(01:32:22):
the discernment button and pray for it because and if
you are not seeing it, then you need to trust me.
That's why I'm the head of this ministry, that this
is happening and if we don't eradicate it because this person.
I gave Joseph time to repent, and she did not.
This person is not repenting. So that means that there
has to be a removal, a removal, and everybody's like,

(01:32:43):
don't be a bully, don't be mean. It's like, I'm
saving our lives right now, and you have to trust me.
I've seen that so often. Can I let me ask
you about now, I'm an.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Interview having a good time. Now, it was this a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
I'm an interviewer too, So okay, so I've seen so much.
I've seen more bewitching lately than I've ever seen before.
So what do I mean by that? So this one
particular person heading up a great project, everybody around them
it was what I described earlier. Everybody around them, you know,

(01:33:19):
throwing throwing assets to help the project, throwing their money,
their staff, everything to help this. These this other group
of people you know, do this project and all of this.
And then a person comes in as a as an
assistant or some staff member. I don't remember exactly which
one operating in high level witchcraft. So I see, I

(01:33:42):
hear a story that well, okay, I'm just gonna say it.
It was me and me dealing with this people. So
I go to this place on a traveling trip with
this group of people. I get attacked that night by
a spirit that's on that person operating witchcraft. Remember you

(01:34:06):
said the very frequency of your voice drives these demons nuts. Well,
this demon did not like me being around this other person,
and so it attacks me, comes and literally pulls me
by the hair out of bed. So I get up
and I'm very very tight with this other person. I
run up and tell this other person, this is what

(01:34:26):
happened last night. We have to go into prayer and
war because this spirit is attacking us. And last, and
this is what I saw when it attacked me. I
saw the spirit have a cauldron and it was cooking
up a bewitching spirit to take control of the mind
of the other person. I go up to tell this

(01:34:48):
person what happened, and it's a she. She's looking in
the mirror and putting on her mask scara like this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
And I'm saying what's happening. And instead of the normal
reaction of oh my god, we need to go pray
right now, oh my god, the skin doors will get
the communion out. Let's find some decrease let's pray and
ask God, what's going on? What to do? Blank look
completely bewitched, putting on the mass scarum. From that moment on,
every project that was being done crumbles thanks the bewitching

(01:35:27):
was that strong. Months and months later, I have a
meeting with that person and some pastors, and I recall
that story. They looked at me, honestly, with all honestness,
and said, I don't remember that at all, the bewitching
that it is so stink and strong. I have another

(01:35:50):
friend who had been waiting for an inheritance for years
and years and years, and at the last minute, the
person that owed her the inheritance starts to become friends
again or talking and having conversations with this high level person.
This person's high level, this versu's high level intercessor in
the glory of God like power, power person, revelation person,

(01:36:13):
intercession person high level. The person she's waiting to get
this inheritance from starts they start having conversations, which is great,
you know, let's all be friends and all that, But
it wasn't great because this person had so much witchcraft
on them that now I'm seeing a friend of mine
completely change because they're bewitched, and they came into agreement

(01:36:37):
with the other person that they didn't need to see
the contracts that were involved in getting the inheritance given
to them. That's how bewitched. See what I'm saying, It's like,
I'm gonna bewitch you and you're not gonna get what
you have coming to you because now I have such
a stronghold on you, I'm gonna bewitch your mind and
you're actually gonna go agree with my agenda not to

(01:36:58):
see the contracts, so you won't get everything that you
have coming to you. And I was like, snap out
of it. You're bewitched, Snap out of it. This is
and I'm talking about person that's on their face night
and day. This is this is happening to hi, people
who are amazing in the Lord, but they've been through
so much drama and trauma from other people around them

(01:37:20):
attacking them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Well that's you know. Look, so so people that are
oh and this just sounds so many lovel I think
we're we're actually having a conversation at a at a
level that you're not a lot of have in most contexts.

(01:37:46):
But okay, let me just give you this example. Okay,
so let's say you have a club what do is
call them? You know, the Freemasons, and you know they're
they're all in on the same narrative. Uh. You know,
we are climbing the ladders and ranks in this secret society.

(01:38:07):
We're taking pledges, making oaths, you know, and part of
that we are gonna you know, act out our luss.
So when it's your turn, you got to give up
your daughter, but I give up mine, you know. And
so we have a pedophile.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Name o god.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Yeah, you know, the the Freemasons, and you know, but
they're in league with the psychiatrists at the local hospital
and they have a bankroll from the CIA. You know,
the stuff that is literally our world that we live
in because we're gonna just step behind a false reality
for a second. And so like you have that by
the way, you know that Freemason society, they are there,

(01:38:43):
several of them are all the board of the local
First Baptist Church. They are the ones responsible for hiring
and firing the past. Yes, and but they like to
use the church for the religious programming part of controlling
the victims. So uh, you know, but but these people, right,
they get code words and access keys, right, so they

(01:39:07):
know who the slaves are and who the people that
have been put through a degree of mind control, whether
it's at the local, state, federal, military level, whatever it is.
And you know, they'll share access codes and keys, so
you you could walk in to a bar and be like, oh,
that's you know, that's one of them, and they go
with They just say, you know, red five yellow fox
trot and it's like, you go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Right into it, whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
But that's stuff that happens right in the scare. We
don't want to believe that that could be happening in
the Body of Christ in your local Pentecostal or Apostolic church,
but it's in every area that so you call it bewitching.
To me, that just sounds like programs being triggered and

(01:39:53):
and and there are a lot of survivors that sit
in every era of society, from politics to corporate America,
to the judicial c to the I mean, this is
part of the Luciferian infiltration in preparation for the beast
Kingdom of the end times. Like they're they're they're they're
building towards it end goal. But their epic plan is,
let's infiltrate every area of society with our agents. And
so yeah, I mean until people begin to heal and

(01:40:15):
and not just overcome like that d man of rage like,
but it's like we're actually gonna dismantle the trauma structure
that sits underneath the stuff. They become manipulatable. They because
the bewitching isn't going to work on everyone. But if
you have the right person in the right role and
you execute this kind of witchcraft on them, it will
take even if the presenter personalities receive Jesus or not.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
Oh yeah, okay, so I hope and if I'm not
okay with this, may I be stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
But you're having too much funny day?

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Okay. So this particular person with this contract that was
owned in inheritance, right, uh strong like in God, strong
in the word since child, I mean, like amazing heritage
just everything you know, parents in ministry, grandparents in ministry, everything,
you know, just everything built inside this person going through

(01:41:11):
a lifetime of because this person would stand for righteousness
and be like, you can't have that demonic book inside
the ministry building. We're gonna take it and throw it away.
What don't you touch our demonic book. That's what we
used to do our secret meetings, you know. You know,
this person would stand for that and was viciously attacked

(01:41:34):
on all sides because no, don't interrupt the gravy train,
don't interrupt the money flow coming in. Keep your mouth shut.
We got demonic contracts going on here, and you're opening
your mouth and trying to come against all of them,
you know. And so I actually had a vision about
this person one time that they had taken her and
tied her to an Ashrath pull because they were there

(01:41:55):
was a group of they were all all these people
were surrounding her wearing white robes, so it's Christian witchcraft.
And they had tied her to a national peol and
they had taken her arm and they were twisting her
arm around and around the pole, and she was going
stop stop, and I mean not just a little bit,
but around and around this pole. Her arm was going.

(01:42:18):
In this vision, it's like this person took abuse, trauma,
intentional trauma to break them for years and years and
years on high levels of witchcraft. Was so strong, was
able to resist it until right at the end, and
then all of a sudden they pushed extra hard in
it went snap and she went it's like, this is

(01:42:39):
what's happening. Let's traumatize them to the point where they
literally snap, and then we can control them. They'll have
to shut their mouth and then if they ever want anything,
and then we can abuse them, control them, leave them
to themselves, abandon them, whatever, and if they ever want anything,

(01:42:59):
forget they're not gonna get it because we'll just come
back in through the programming, like you said. And so
they agree with the agenda and they don't get what
they have coming to them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
I am convinced that the devil's biggest problem isn't even
the anointed man and woman of God. And we celebrate
anointed men and women of God. Yeah like you, I mean,
you know right that has paid the price to go
there with God, so God's power can flow. But the

(01:43:32):
real power sits with the ecclasia. That's where the real
power sits, you know. And and if the ecclasia is
locked down, even the leaders and the fivefold will not
be able to introduce this world to the Kingdom of
God at the level it needs to. The body needs

(01:43:57):
to get involved. So what do you do? You program
the body to be uninvolved. I believe that there's going
to be a major campaign of Heaven in the next
decade to deprogram the body of Christ. Because you unlock
the body, you unlock the governing capacity God has seeded

(01:44:19):
with the corporate anointing.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
I think you're totally onto something, because that's programming what
I just called bewitching, but I actually like your terms
so much better. Programming is what has kept the body
restrained by the devil. It's like, well, let's traumatize them
till we can implant in these codes, these demonic signals,
these demonic triggers in them, so that we can control them,

(01:44:44):
and then they will never go beyond anything. They'll never succeed,
will keep them harnessed and restrained.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Or just pulling on the men and women of God
that carry it so that we get exhausted.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
Yeah, yep. Or every time the project will let them
go after a project and it will run and they'll
spend their money and energy and time, and then right
when it starts to really manifest, somebody in the circle
that's working this vision will we'll call forth the programming,
We'll call forth the code, and then they will shipwreck

(01:45:15):
the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
You know, the fact that people are gonna hear this
is a problem for the Kingdom of Darcs. Sometimes. You know,
the Bible says you shall know the truth, and the
truth will set you free.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Yeah. Sure, Sometimes the.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
First step in being set free is hearing, Yeah, the truth,
even if you choke on it. And I I I
don't mind people choking on the truth that you survive.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
Yeah, they're either gonna eventually get it swallowed down or
they're gonna have to hack it up one than the other.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
You know. I think about like my children, like when
when we were training Dylan to eat food. At first,
you know, he's like, you could get him off milk,
and then you know it's like soft food and it's like,
you know, but that's was like, no, you can give mistake.
He's not going to be able to chew it up

(01:46:17):
and swallow it and digest it. But the mere fact
of practicing chewing that meat is going to be good.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
Yeah wow.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
And you know, that's that's what I found with the
Body of Christ. It's like, you know, you have so
many people that are so committed to keeping people on milk,
they never give them the opportunity to develop the capacity
to chew meat, so they never get to the point
where they're digesting it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Wow, it's true. It's true. And the Body of Christ
has been so paranoid about everything that it's it's it's
obliterated everything. It's like when I first started teaching about
the Light of Christ, like fifteen eighteen years ago, which
is throughout the Bible, Jesus is the light of the world,
and his light brings life. That son of righteousness of

(01:47:01):
rises on you with healing in his wings and his
beams of light herews one three. In the amplified classic,
Jesus is the light, being the outraging source of the
divine radiance. I would teach on this and how the
light heals, The Light of Christ heals you and delivers
you and makes you have more revelation Ephesians one seventeen.
You will have the spirit of wisdom and revelation to

(01:47:21):
the secrets and mysteries of God and the deep intimate
things of Him by having the eyes of your heart
flooded the light. I get kicked out of churches. Oh
that's witchcrap, that's new age. We had everything first, everything
was for us. I know that. Oh my God, Yeah,

(01:47:43):
that's all it took. That's all it took. I once
had a leader. I was speaking a conference, and the
pastors and leaders rose up and told me that I
was being kicked out. And the lay people of the
church actually stood up and argue against him, because there's like,
she hasn't done anything but quote scripture for an hour.

(01:48:06):
They actually stood up and stood against it. I was shocked,
But yeah, that's all it took. That's how, that's how
in a box we are. I once had a sorcerer
attack me. I won't say his name, but he showed
up in a meeting I was in. And I had
always had freedom in that church. I mean I'm talking

(01:48:28):
like I had a guy with a medal that had
shattered in his hip, had all the fragments disappear. I
had a lady that had screws in her finger, have
all the metal disappear, proven by a metal detector. Had
another guy with a rod in his hand the rod
turned into bone, proven by a metal detector. I mean,
I had always freedom in that church. So all of
a sudden, out of the blue, I have no freedom.

(01:48:49):
I'm standing up on stage and nothing is moving, No miracles,
know nothing, and I'm like, what is going on right now? Well,
I didn't realize that this sorcerer who had targeted me
had come and he had won. He's been walking with
the Lord and he was friends with me and the
pastor of the church, and he came walking in. Nobody
had seen him for years. He sits down and the

(01:49:12):
pastors like, dude, what are you doing here and what's
going on? And he's like, oh, man, you know I
just heard the kad he was here and I came
to visit, and so he starts calling out everything I'm doing.
She's working with the Angel of healing right now. Okay,
now there's time travel going on. He's like commentating while
I'm up on stage. Well, he was commentating. He's really

(01:49:33):
good at seeing in the spirit like that, but he
was releasing this resistance band against me. So then I
get off this. So then finally the pastor goes, well,
good to see you man, not really bye, and so
he leaves. I get off the stage. I walk up
to my friend who's the pastor, and I go, ohh
he is shut down here tonight. I don't know what's
going on. He goes, so and so's here right now

(01:49:53):
and I'm like what And so I'm like, oh my god,
what is he doing here? He goes, I think he said,
I think he came for you, And I was like,
So I go up into the house and I'm praying
and another friend of mine is there and we're all praying.
We come down the next night, same thing. The place

(01:50:15):
is locked down. I go back into the media room
and I'm getting with the media guy. My video is
ready for what I'm going to play video testimonies and
miracles that I've had. And the pastor walks in and
the media guy goes, hey, man, the lights in the
whole back of the sanctuary are off, but the switches on,

(01:50:37):
all the fuses are right. I don't know what it is.
And the pastor goes, I'll go check it out. He
goes back there and the sorcerer is sitting in the
dark back there. He had turned off the lights, not
using the light switch. And he's back there and the
meeting's about to start when I get up there, he goes.

(01:51:00):
The pastor goes back and goes, bro, what are you
because we're all, you know, young, they're younger and this
is years ago. Bro, what are you doing? Man? And
he lets it all out. He goes, I don't know
what you're doing. Why do you have her up on stage?
And she goes. He says, she's in a box. She

(01:51:21):
has nothing like I have I have. He goes, I
am a god on earth. I have walked through like
forty days without any food. And I'm doing this and
this and this activity and this activity, and I am
a god on earth. And he's dissing me and raising

(01:51:44):
himself up. And he's mad that his friend doesn't have
him on stage instead of me, so he came to
target me and attack me. Everybody in the room gets
sick that night. Everybody in the room gets sick that night.
I get off stage. He finally my friend the pastor goes, dude,
you need to leave, and you need to leave now.

(01:52:04):
He kicks him out. We all go to the house
after the meeting. I'm like, this is wild that this
guy has this much authority. And we're in the house.
He asked or projects into the house. My friend, who
I just talked to on the phone the other day
said I was there when he asked for projected in
the house. I'm like, bro, and he pops in the
room and both me and my friend, who is high level,

(01:52:25):
are like and we said his name and he pops
back out. I get sick. It was crazy, And now
that same guy who's a sorcerer is now targeted another leader.
I got over my sickness. I broke through. I'll tell
you that tournament targeted another leader and he showed up
to attack that guy with Baphomet next to him. That's

(01:52:48):
how high level this guy is, right, and almost killed
this other guy and took him out. So when I
go home, and I've got like three days now to
get over this sickness because I got to go help
a friend who's been cursed by witchcraft who is about
to die, and I'm like, I got to get well
so I can get on the plane and go help
my friend. And so I'm going after it and my
friend is there with me, and we're going after it and worship.

(01:53:10):
We're praying into green and all of a sudden, she goes,
I just saw vision. I go, what what? And he goes,
I saw this like old woman. She was all sucked
up with a skeleton and she was coming out of
a cardboard box. I said, bro he said, I was
in a box. He was right. See that I was
in a box because even at the level I was at,

(01:53:30):
I didn't have enough knowledge to defeat him and his
schemes at that church at that time. But because he
said that, and because I went for it, I was
able to get out of the box. So he doesn't
even realize he did me a favor. His attack drove
me out of my limited capacity in my conscious mind
to receive the higher levels of revelation, and I came

(01:53:52):
out of that box. That's what the church needs to do.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Goodness. You know, if I don't watch it, we're never
gonna end this pot.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Yeah, okay, go ahead, Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
It's like the flyers like, what is that greenland? Okay,
let's keep going. So Bible says we wrestle not against
flesh and blood, but against Principal's powers, rulers of darkness
and spiritual hosts of wickedness in heavenly places. And you
know there is a place where we understand that. Yes,
the battles not against flesh and blood. In that we

(01:54:25):
pray for our enemies, and we do good to those
that do evil to us as best as you know
we can, and we understand the love of God God
loves his creation, and so we need to carry that
heart into the conversation. At the same time, what some
people don't realize is some of the spiritual hosts of

(01:54:46):
wickedness in the heaveny places are humans. They're actually people.
They're not demons, they're not falling angels. They're people flying
around in the astral plane sending curses par with demons
and targeting people that they want to afflict and oppose
and destroy. And when you have a human agent that's

(01:55:11):
at work against you and you call it a demon,
you miss the mark because it's actually not a demon,
it's a person. And they actually do have a contract
out And I mean, look, some of these people are military.
They have psychic assassins that get contracts on people to
try to take them out with heart attacks. These are
human beings that are remote viewing, astro projecting and using
psychic powers or what they want to call it whatever.

(01:55:32):
Oftentimes it's a partnership with the demonic realm to carry
out these hit jobs. And do they do. They have
warlocks that are using this stuff on Cristians a hundred percent.
And you know that's why I like, I don't play nice.

(01:55:52):
I mean I pray for people. I will deal with
a witch or warlock if they're identified in the spirit harshly,
and then pray for them afterwards. Like I remember, no,
I remember I my wife and I and everywhere I
go we get in a fight. I mean everywhere I go.

(01:56:13):
I was like, oh gosh, you know, I have to
like chuck with Heaven every time I leave the country
because I'm like, all right, how are we supposed to
be over there? How many battles and fights are we
going to get into? Like who's who's waiting? But like
I remember, we went to we went on a vacation.
So we're in New Zealand and it's is me and
my wife, like we're hanging out. I'm trying to just

(01:56:36):
keep it cool. I'm not here to fight with Edinburgh.

Speaker 3 (01:56:39):
And right I'm sitting there laying in the bed, sure,
and this thing comes and flies into the room and
just jumps on me like it's going to, like, you know,
beat me up, and I'm like, oh, oh, no, long one.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
I actually reached out of my body. I mean I
was sleeping and I caught it by the neck. Come on,
and then I like literally took them and flung him,
and it was like my body caught up to my
I think, wow, but like it is. I caught him
by the neck and threw him and then I pronounced

(01:57:20):
a number of things right, but it was like a
judgments and retributions and this and that and this.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Was this was the similitude of the spirit of the
of a real human agent.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
I believe so. I believe so. And I don't know
what he was doing or thinking, but it was like, Okay,
Ken definitely came to pick a fight, and I knew
it was a human because after I did that, I
was like, I'm going back to sleep. I asleep real good.
And God was like, Manuel, you can't do that. You
can't leave it like that. I'm like not And He's like,

(01:57:49):
what you pronounced will destroy him completely. And I was like, oh,
but he just tried to kill me. He got it,
I mean, my sleep, like he should have known about.
So the thing is I had to repeal some of
those things and his spirit and pray in a different word.
But but what I'm saying is what I'm saying, some

(01:58:12):
of these spiritual hosts of wickedness are people and and
and the truth is there are rules of engagements for
dealing with human agents that are evil properly as a
kingdom citizen of God. Okay, And I had to take
a journey to learn what those were.

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
Now me too, I had to take a journey. I
want to read a scripture, and there is a balance
on how to go after this kinds of stuff. This
is the scripture in relations to about Jezebel. I have
this against you, that you're tolering that woman named Jezebel
who calls herself a prophetess. And is it says this
in the Passion translation, and is seducing my loving servants?

(01:58:53):
Seducing my loving servants. See, a majority of the body
of Christ is we're supposed to show the love of
God and forgive people that you persecute us and bless
them and all that. But the Bible also makes it
clear that let those who curse have curses land in

(01:59:14):
their house. Let those who dig a pit for you
fall into the own pit that they've dug. There's this balance.
But the loving servants of God are getting seduced by
Jezebel because they've let their love get way out of balance. Oh,
we just have to keep on loving this person. We
have to keep on letting that person in our house
to stay there. And then that person has an affair

(01:59:35):
with your husband. Okay, we need to keep letting this
person in the church because we want to preach to
them the gospel. But then that person comes in and
starts strife and factions and divisions with groups of people,
brings them all together, and they start turning on you
because they have something in their soul that's open to
them being controlled and manipulated by Jezebel. She's seducing God's loving,

(01:59:57):
loving servants. It's the people that get out of balance
with their love that gets seduced. So what does that mean.
We still have to do all the scriptures, but they
can balance. We need to not get bitter towards that
person because if we do, it says that Simon and
the sarcer had a bitter iniquity in his heart. Meaning
if we get let ourselves get bitter about their attack,

(02:00:19):
we have something in us that's in common with witchcraft,
it'll be able to attack us. So we can't get bitter.
We have to forgive, We have to let them go,
but we can also we can love them on this
plane at an arm's length. If we don't have to
have them in our church, we don't have to bring
them in our home. But then in the spirit we
need to go after it. I will not tolerate Jezebel.

(02:00:40):
God gave Jezbel time to repent. She did not, so
He's gonna throw her in a bet of sickness. If
I pray for them to repent, Lord, I pray for
them to receive the two Timothy two twenty six free
gift of repentance, so they can escape the snare of
the enemy who's taking them captive to do his will.
But if they don't repent, you will do to them
what you are said to Jezbell, throw them on a

(02:01:01):
bed of sickness.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
Well, you know there are protocols and and the thing
is right, if it's written in the word of God,
you can lean into it. So like let the wicked
fall into their own snare like that. That is yeah,
call right. So you could say, well, this is your
word God, you said. Now I'm just repeating what you said,
like and like I booby trap everything, right, So like
if people are evil, agents can take assignment against Braden

(02:01:23):
misers dandavault the thing that they're going to run into
is they don't even know what I know to do
to make their life awful if they try. The full
spirit world around my metron is booby trapped.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
And.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
Like I know things, I know things. There's some things
I know that I haven't even ever talked about. But
you're gonna run into it if you try. And it's
you know, so that's what it's like. Well, I didn't
put the curse on. They just triggered the booby trap.
That was their choice.

Speaker 1 (02:01:49):
It is their choice.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
And you know, the thing is, it's like, yeah, one
of the most loving things a person can do too
and actual offender is placed them in jail because I mean, okay,
there are certain people that are so committed hurting others

(02:02:16):
that you're act like, I mean, it's kind of funny
because it's almost like what God did with you is like,
you know, you really hurt a lot of people, and
you were being hurt yourself. You know, you weren't exactly cooperative,
and but once you were in prison and it was
like Holy Spirit that put you there because you could
have gotten. Now that's what you and you know, some

(02:02:39):
of the people that are doing the most evil, even
against the children, of God, the body of Christ. Like
there's a redemptive plan for their life in the future
that they can't action on now. But God needs to
set them up in such a way that they can
be open up to his influence so he can change everything.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
Now, see this is schedule. What you're saying, people will
go what what you put people in jail? Arrest them.
You know we're supposed to love them to death.

Speaker 2 (02:03:06):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:03:06):
Look, Jesus talks about and this is in Matthew five,
and I like to read from the from the Message Bible,
and it says that you're familiar with the commandments to
the ancients, do not murder. I'm telling you that anyone
who is so much angry with the brother or sister
is guilty of murder. Carelessly calling your brother an idiot,

(02:03:28):
and you just might find yourself hauled into court because
you're arrested. Okay, thoughtlessly yelling stupid, stupid at a sister,
and you are on the brink of hell fire. The
simple moral fact is that words kill. One of the
biggest things that these spirits use that are being programmed,
these Jezebelic spirits, is slander to try to turn people

(02:03:49):
against a person that is really walking in the will
of God, that is threatening the kingdom of Hell, so
they'll slander you to everybody else to plant these little seats. Well,
you know, I don't know if you knew this, but
you know, once I heard them say this, isn't that terrible?
We should pray for them. They implant this slander. But
when you do that and you call your brother's sister,

(02:04:10):
you're calling your brother's sister an idiot or a fool,
or a name or slandering, you're actually a murder and
you will be quote hauled into court. So it is
legal and legitimate for you to say, God, this person
is slandering me. I forgive them. I'm not gonna get
bitter about it. I'm not gonna go slander them. But
I am taking them to court right now. The Bible

(02:04:33):
says I can, and I'm arresting them in the spirit
so that they have to stop. This is Cain and Abel.
Cain murdered his brother and says in the field to
Cain had a murdering spirit, and he murders brother in
the field. That's what they're doing. They're going in the
harvest field in the church, in the ministry where we're
supposed to be doing miracle science and wonders bringing souls in.
They're going out in the harvest field and slandering us,

(02:04:55):
murdering us with their words. And then then our blood
goes into the earth. The earth fries out for vengeance.
And what happens. God says, now you're cursed by reason
of the earth, Cane, and anything you put your hand
to to till the ground, it will not succeed for you.
So see, we can go in the court and say, okay,
they are murdering me like Cain with their words, and

(02:05:18):
I decree that they need to repent. I asked you
give them the fregate to repentance to Timothy two twenty six.
But if they don't, do not let the earth yield
its strength to them. Do not let anything they put
their hand to until the ground succeed. That's scripture. But
then it also says this that now Caine, you are

(02:05:39):
to wonder the earth for the rest of your life.
And Kane says, my punishment is too severe for me.
I can't wonder the earth. By the way that wondering
spirit makes those Jazabelic people go around for ministry to
ministry into business to business talking smack about you so
that you can be discredited. But then it says this,
so I will mark Caine, and anybody who kills Caine
murder's Kane will receive sevenfold wrath retribution. So in other words, yeah,

(02:06:04):
you can pray that anything they tout their hands to
will not succeed. When they till the ground, the earth
will not yield to them at strength. But you better
not go out and be like Cain and murder your
brother in the field, because you'll receive a sevenfold recompensive
God's wrath for you doing the same thing that came
to to you, murdering them with your words.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
Wow. Wow, you know, o Katie, we have covered a
lot about Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06:30):
Amen, we'll just have to pick this up. Yeah, there's
so I think we only got the top of the iceberg.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
I I agree, I agree. I Before we abridge this
ongoing conversation, are there any books you'd like our audience
to know about or things that are going on in
your world?

Speaker 1 (02:06:56):
You know, all the books have value. Man. You know,
if people are in their soul, they should get healing
the wounded soul. It's classic, you know, Revelation about the soul.
If people are fighting the spirit of death, they should
get be revived. If people are fighting snakes, they need
to get serpent in the soul. I'm not say I
don't say this boastfully, but I don't know of any

(02:07:17):
other ministry that has such a comprehensive revelation about serpents
and how to get rid of them, what they're doing,
you know, how to recognize them. So serpent and the
soul is very very important for breaking those strategies off
and for seeing miracles. We see crazy miracles. So I
would say that, or they can join my you know,
my mentorship. That's where I go deep. I love it.

(02:07:40):
Thanks for having us friends.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
That's all we got for now. Until next time, God
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