War correspondent and former Green Beret Michael Yon returns to the program to share his frontline perspective on global conflict. Together, we dive into the growing instability around the world — from the unrest in Nepal, Qatar, and Thailand to flashpoints emerging elsewhere. We explore the core reasons driving these conflicts and how to recognize the markers of instability for yourself — the patterns that often signal when and where unrest will break out.Substack followers can see the full extra interview segment at SarahWestall.Substack.com
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just great, great timing to have you back. Not really
for the great reasons, but the war is heating.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Up pretty much.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I mean all over the map, all over the world,
we're seeing hotspots and you have been covering it. You're
one of the best war correspondents in the world. And
what are you seeing on the ground.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, I just landed back in Tailian, so I'm in
Bangkok right now. This morning, I was over in Japan
and but interestingly, you know, I just got a message
from General Holt, Blaine Holt, retired Air Force general, and
he mentioned to me the violence that just kicked off
in Nepaul, which I'd completely missed. So I called up
a friend in Nepaul. I spent more than a year
(08:24):
in Nepaul, so I'm kind of familiar with it. Have
you know a network over there. But but you know
what I was just told. I just literally hung up
on the phone off the phone about fifteen minutes ago
with a friend in Nepaul, and he said that, well,
it's in the news. Apparently about nineteen students were just
killed yesterday, and what is this over? And in a nutshell,
(08:46):
it sounds like it's over the normal corruption and somebody
within the Nepalese government who are famous for making precipitous decisions,
like you know, you know, there's an assassinate Let's say,
let's let's rewind the tape fifteen years. Let's say there's
an assassination, uh, from somebody on a motorcycle wearing a helmet.
The next thing, you know, they you know, tell everybody
(09:08):
you can't wear helmets, that sort of stuff, you know
what I mean? I mean that, I mean that that
goes back just just crazy stuff like that. So apparently
the government just got a wild hair a couple of
days ago, apparently two or three days ago, and said,
you know, we're not getting any taxes from all these
social media sites like YouTube and Facebook and just shut
(09:28):
them off. I just like, yeah, I mean that sounds
kind of crazy. But I mean, not that they would
shut them off, but but but but but the reason
that they would shut him off is because they're not
getting taxes, right and so and but what what the guy?
What they There's one particular individual apparently that's behind this
(09:49):
but apparently what he didn't take into account is that
many of the Nepalese people depend on things like YouTube
and Facebook. That's how they make their living, selling things
or whatever. Right, the Mountain Guide said, So suddenly you
just shut off their you know, their income, and so
(10:09):
then everybody, okay, rewind the tapes about three days, So
that happened, and then they.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Get they get taxes from the people making income.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
But keep going, right, And you got to keep in mind,
Nepaul is a remittance uh state. Mostly a huge amount
of money comes from overseas, like these Nepalese that you
see working in you know, uh in grocery stores or
whatever seven eleven all over the place, like in Japan
or in the United States. A lot of the Nepalese
they're sending money back, just like Mexicans do, right, So
(10:38):
it's remittance. And and again I've spent a little over
a year in Nepaul, so I'm somewhat familiar with it.
And I see a lot of Nepalese come through the
dairy and gap when I'm down there, like a lot,
you know, and and a lot of them I've been
to their villages, you know what I mean. It's like,
you know, and uh, I'm surprised we have none of
us have recognized each other. But what I'm getting to
(10:58):
is is that the suddenly they took to the streets
and then the police shot and killed almost twenty of them. Right,
that was about they and a half. I don't know
what age. But my friend that I was just on
the phone with, I've known him for many, many years.
(11:18):
He's a documentary filmmaker named Denash Dakota had just got
off the phone with him, and Denash told me that
there were students that were killed in their school uniforms, right,
and so that were in fact. So then they came
the next day, which is today, and started burning the
place down. The young people did they called? My friend
(11:38):
had never heard of gen Z until yesterday when they
started burning the place down. You know, he just thought
there were young people, right, and and he said so
like he today saw the presidential the presidential offices burning down,
the Prime Minister's office burning down. The school that his
daughter goes to just got burned down because it's related
to the prime minister's family. Apparently, Uh, that's in a
(12:01):
five star hotel. Because I just asked him, I said,
I might just fly up there in a few days.
He said yeah, And I asked how the hotels are
and he said, well, the brand new five star Hilton
just burned down, so apparently that's gone. I said, are
the airport. Is the airport opened, which is you know
at the uh In katman Do And he said the
airport's actually closed right now. So so you know, it
(12:22):
sounds like some dramas are still unfolding. And I've been
in Nepal when there's when there's fighting going on, lethal fighting, right,
I was, like I said, I spent over a year
there and that was during the mostly during the war
with the Maoist or maybe all during the war with
the Mouist and and uh and you know, because I
would come and go. Actually it wasn't one year all
at one time. I would come and go for like
(12:43):
a couple of months, now two weeks, two months, you
know what I mean, that sort of thing and added
up to over a year. And and what I did
realize is that the Nepalese they know how to fight
and they will fight. I mean, they're very nice people.
I love the Nepalese people, but they're like type people
when it comes time to fighting, they're good at it,
you know, and and they will do it. They're unafraid
(13:05):
to take a bullet, right, and so they are apparently
still going at it. Like my friend told me he
saw fire still burning tonight. He said the smoke that
he saw coming from the fires was something like he's
only seen on television before it, Right, there's just huge,
thick black smoke and burning down so many government offices
and other related One thing he did say, he pointed out,
(13:29):
and again this is all like fifteen twenty thirty minutes
ago that he told me all this. We had a
long phone call. But he, you know, he said that
they weren't actually looting. They were just burning stuff down,
and they were so busy, you know, but they didn't
burn they were just yeah, he said, they weren't burning
private shops to his knowledge or anything along those lines.
(13:49):
They burned that Hilton down, he said, because it's related
to one of the government, top government peoples. And so
I don't know all the details, but the bottom line
is it sounds like you're not going to be able
to come and go out of the Katmandu airport until
they open it back up. But if I could be
I would be there right now.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Actually, wow, okay, well, you know I infamously had Martin
Armstrong on numerous times now showing that the economic data
is showing exactly what you're seeing, that there's going to
be flash points of war around the world because he's
seeing it. What he does is his program that he's
corrafted sees that the shifts of the economic shifts the
(14:32):
money being moved all around the world, and that when
money is moved in certain ways, it points to war,
and it's you're seeing that here. Now, this was a
different reason, this is taxes not being collected. But they're
so short sighted. This is what your rational behavior we're
seeing everywhere. It's so short sighted because now they're going
(14:54):
to lose even more tax money from the people who
can't make a living from advertising on these platforms. I
just like four or five months ago, I had somebody
from the Philippines saying that there was serious revolutionary talk
that they were able to abate in the Philippines because
the people are just so angry and the current president
(15:15):
was the one who was running for president. The daughter
of the late president was shut out, imprisoned. I mean,
these are the things that are happening all over the
world right now.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I think they're going to increase, uh, you know, for instance,
in the uh uh, you know, the region around Central America,
the United States of course, Venezuela, Giana. I think you
know you're going to see it pick up and uh
and and also increasing over in the the Israel theater
for instance, apparently there was just an attack and Cutter, yes,
(15:46):
and uh and uh and you know it's I think
you're you're just going to see this as the way
of the future for the near the the the near
term future.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Cutter is very angry at Israel because Israel took the
hub Loss Gaza war situation and brought it to a
new country and they're bombing residential neighborhoods and Cutter to
get to Hamas people. And Cutter is not happy about it,
at least publicly. I mean, you never know what's really
going on behind the scenes. But they put out press
(16:18):
releases and they're saying that it's a violation of international
law to go after to do this.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
In our country.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Mildly. Yeah, it's over the top of my international law, Yeah,
very very much. And you know, by the way, the
US has a significant military presence there and cutter as well.
Right and uh, and so I mean the the it's
just growing. That's what wars do, right, they grow. And
(16:48):
this isn't a local war, right, that's just a habit
of wars. Like fires, they grow once they get to
some certain magical point, then they have their own life.
They're like a monster that's now born, a little godzilla,
and then it nobody can shut it off, right, like
the war between Ukraine or who you know, at the
(17:09):
various parties, there's there's no individual that can turn it off.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
It's almost like Medusa in her head. You cut off
her head and three heads come back.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I mean, that's the whole.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
That's what that story is.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, the Pakistan India interaction they recently had, you know,
with the air battle and all that that could have,
that was that close to going. In fact, I thought
that it had probably reached the tipping point, but apparently
it didn't. But it looked like it was taking on
a life of its own. But but again they they
cut it off early, right, But at some point when
(17:43):
everybody comes to the party, you can't really cut it
off anymore. It just kind of does like fires do.
It burns itself out and goes its way, and and
and that's the way that the global situation is now.
Because you know, keep in mind the various wars we see.
Whether you know Ukraine and Israel, they're the same war.
They're not separate. What you see happening in Panama, it's
(18:06):
all the same thing. It's not now. At the local scale,
people would say, well, how do you see this as
related to Ukraine? This is not related at all? Right,
But uh, but when you're looking at it from the
big picture, not only are they related, it's like, how
could you possibly miss it if you're looking at it
from a strategic vantage point.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Well, okay, so explain it for a child. How are
they related?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Well, on the global scale, this is about routes and resources,
and we have titans. It's a clash of the titans. Right.
CCP is one of the titans, a Chinese Communist party. Right,
United States is one of the Titans. The Zionist conglomerate thing,
which is not Jewish, by the way, some are Jewish,
but a lot of the Zionist are Christians. Right, But
the Zionists try to get everybody confused about what a
(18:52):
Zionist is a Zionist is a you know, it's a
it's a it's a it's a bunch of cartels, right business,
and they fight each other, right and and so a
lot of what you see going on in Panama is
Zionus versus CCP. When I say that, people are you know,
a few people get exactly what I'm talking about. Like
black Rock clearly is zion this company, right, and and
(19:15):
and uh, you know Blackrock. Trump is trying to help
black Rock buy the ports on either end of the
Panama Canal that the CCP runs Chinese Communist Party right
the hutcheson wim Pope. I mean, I'm at those I'm
at those places all the time. And and uh and
and so you know it didn't work. I mean, Trump's like,
you know, black Rock is gonna get it, but they
(19:35):
didn't because CCP said not so fast, Rambow, and you know,
and they didn't get it right. And so China is
still building, right, I mean, because you know they're they're
China's still building a bridge right out of the canal.
I'm getting updates about it constantly, right, new bridge and
new videos. I'm getting constantly only publish a few of them.
But but the China is still building that fourth bridge.
(19:56):
They're still making China the habit that they have done.
And I don't know when this goes back to. Masako
is translating a book right now, Masako Ganaha that she found.
I think it's a nineteen forty one book by a
Japanese army officer and he talks about It's only in Japanese,
but he talks about how China just grows and becomes
(20:18):
another country, right, which is something I've talked about many times.
How Chinese will tell you that we're not going to
attack Taiwan, We'll just become Taiwan. A Hondura in general
told Masako and me over dinner a couple of years
ago in Honduras. He said, you know, Americans think the
Chinese are going to attack everything, but that's not how
(20:40):
they're going to do it. They will just become that, right.
And that's interesting because a Chinese PLA officer told me
that he spoke English. Well, that's a Chinese PLA officer right,
works for the CZP, right. He told me that he's like,
we're not going to attack Taiwan, we will just be
come Taiwan. He goes, Taiwan has thousands of country companies
(21:04):
in China. Why why do we need to attack them.
We're just We're just And then this general and told
us exactly the same thing.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well smarter though, because you don't want to bomb your suppliers,
you just become it. But that's the whole point of
the immigration coming into our country is they're just becoming it.
I mean, that's the article work. They think one hundred
years out, we think kind of like like you said,
hold on Ramble, We think strategically battles instead of bigger
(21:32):
picture civilization, absorbing, changing and changing the dynamics of business.
They think they intertwined business into everything and.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
The population and all.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
They're smarter one hundred years out.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, And it's and it's it's a cultural firmware. It's
not at the individual level, it's a it's at the
cultural firmware level. Right. For instance, Masako found we were
to talk during the flight today and she's reading this
book from nineteen forty one. This book was banned by
the GHQ, which is the General Headquarters that US military headquarters.
After World War Two, we banned about more than seven
(22:12):
thousand books like collected them up and destroyed them somehow, right,
But a few of them have survived, and Masako got
our hands on one. So this is one of those books.
So this book, it's by a Japanese army officer nineteen
forty one, and he's describing the characteristics of the United States,
the Russians, the Chinese, and the Japanese. And he says,
for instance, the Japanese don't want to give up one
(22:34):
centimeter of land, right, They'll fight tooth and now for
one centimeter, he said. The Chinese, though, are different. The
Chinese don't mind actually losing land for a while because
once you invade, they'll just start marrying into the people
that invaded and hope you you'll build that place up
because they're going to they know they're going to get
it back later, right and they and that's also the way.
(22:55):
That's also the way they invade, like they've I've been
to Tibet. That's the way they were doing it in Tibet.
They just kind of they did some kinetics they did,
you know, they ran a lot of the Tibetans out right,
but they like killed a bunch of them. But at
the same time, mostly it was about moving in like
Jinjiang now right where the Wigers are, right, they just
become you. And and so it's interesting because in this
(23:17):
old book Masako found it's called Race War actually and
it translated to English, and he talks about the Russians.
He said, basically, the Russians are savages. Is in the
bottom line. But he says, Americans are always after the dollar, right,
Americans are after the dollar. The Chinese are They don't
mind losing some land. In fact, they can lose it
(23:39):
for a century and be just fine with it because
they know they're going to get it back later. But
she told me today actually during the flight, she was
just reading a section where the Chinese apparently say they
think it takes about twenty four generations, seven hundred years
or so something like that to actually totally basically digest
another culture, right, just like like anacon to basically you know,
(24:03):
eat it and swallow it and slowly think about it.
It becomes you.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
But it's amazing they can even look at something that
many generations. I mean, I'm only alive or we're only
alive for one, you know, lifetime.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
The fact that they see they see the whole.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Existence differently right, because they tap into their ancestors. They're
very spiritual with their ancestors, and then they see their
ancestors as somebody they're going to guide when they are
in the afterlife. They just view things differently, don't they.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Some of the big time globalists looking they don't plant,
you know, the five year plan stuff that's for children.
Five year plans for children. These people are thinking in
terms of centuries. And I'm talking about there are Westerners
that are like that as well, that they do see
the big plant. There are some that actually do. But
a lot of us only look in terms of our
(24:55):
own lifetime or you know, maybe one or two generations.
But there are some Westerners who look at things, you know,
like you know Rockefellers, They look at things on a
long time frame, right, uh, they they and they build
this into these foundations, and what right they build it
into the firmware, right, They they energize it and plant
the crops basically knowing that not just crops, but like
(25:19):
redwood trees. Right. And that's the way the Chinese are.
So you're you're going some of these people that are
fighting each other are fighting on a glacial scale. It's
quite large and it goes so slowly that it's kind
of hard for the average person to even detect. But
this is the main like big power stuff going on. Actually, right,
(25:41):
you know the earthquakes that you see with you know
that basically the I don't mean physical earthquakes, but I
mean human earthquakes that you see unfolding. Now, this is
tectonic plates of of of big, big oligarchical systems that
are that you know, that extend way beyond anybody alive. Now,
like none of this started during the lifetimes of any
(26:02):
of us. Nobody remembers when this started because none of
us were born and our grandparents were not born, right,
our great grandparents were not born. If you want to
try to figure out when this started, you got to
keep looking in these old books and listen to this
old firmware. That's why Masaka is translating this. It's actually
just a nineteen forty one book, which in you know,
(26:23):
in our term, in the terms of this stuff, basically
means it was printed this morning, right, I mean, but
the Japanese officer he's tapping into this, he's like, you know,
the Chinese look at this in terms of like twenty
four generations to absorb and become another culture. Anyway, when
we get this book translated, we were talking about it
over dinner tonight, we're gonna have to release this in English.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Well, I think that that's why it's such an amazing
time right now, because these centuries, these century old battles
are coming to.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
A head right now, which.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Is incredible to be part of. But people don't know
how to navigate, they don't know how to understand it,
they don't even know how to put it in context
to their daily lives because it is kind of overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
And what power do people have.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
I think we have a lot more power than we
We have more power if we exert our power, but
so many people are afraid to or they don't even
know how to.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Right, I mean Massako and I again, we're talking about
that today during our flight from Japan over here to Thailand,
and Thailand's in a similar situation. By the way, We're
not here by coincidence. You know, I used to have
an office in thailiand so I'm quite familiar with this place.
I've been all over this country. Thailand is geostrategically important, right,
(27:43):
It's the as one friend calls it. It's the hyphen
and Indo Pacific security, right. I mean this is this
is a very important place. Most people don't get that,
but I do. That's why I've spent so much time here,
and that's why we were just in Okinawa, same thing, right.
And so there's certain places that have more of a
charge to them, like Panama, right, or Netherlands, right, these
(28:06):
these places that we spend so much time in, and
but Thailand. There's clearly people that are trying to rip
this one apart too. But this is only part of
a bigger play. It's not part of some I mean
there's local people that are involved. Now. So you can
point to tax in the former prime minister and his daughter,
the prime minister and his other daughter, the other prime minister.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You can look at it at the at the at
the you know, the most recent events uh, or you
can look at this more on the UH you know
the UH inter generational inter century scale, which is the
scale I look at it because if you want to
be able to predict what's going on, you really have
to look at the way the rivers flow, right, you
(28:49):
know what, you know what I'm saying. If you want
to if you want to if you want to know, uh,
like these wars that were like how did Masako and
I successfully predict nord Stream will get interrupted and that
grown in gas field would get closed, and that Panama
Canal would become a huge issue, and that the dairy
and Gap would open up, and the screw worms and
the mdr TV. We predicted all these things way in advance.
(29:12):
You see the screw worms that are in the news. Now,
we first started predicting, we first started publishing that in
two thousand and twenty one, right, I mean, I mean yeah,
I mean it was just it was like it was
we got on the trail. We realized the screw worms
were down in the dairy and gap in the United
States had a program there to stop them. So we
reached out to the to the US agency that does
(29:35):
this and realized, you know what, they're going to let
these screw rooms back in the United States or they're
going to give them a bus right up one or
the other, because we know what they're up to. And again,
this is all about depopulation and repopulation. This is about
routes and resources. Right when you look at depopulation.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Controls the money, right because that's a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Right now that that you know money, money is money
is not the top level of all this money is
you know, we're talking routes and resources. The people that
want these routes and resources, they already print the money.
They don't need money. They have the printing press. They
want wealth. They want Suez Canal, they want Bob al Mandeb,
(30:21):
straight up Gibraltar, they want Dana Straits, they want you know,
Turkish Straits and you know straight uh, you know, Malacca,
Panama Canal. Right, that's what they want. They want straight
out our moods. Right. They want Iran gone dead, right,
they want Russia dead. They want to talk and see.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Let's talk about Iran because Iran has always been a
thorn in the side of the Zionis right, Iran is
always their target, at least publicly. Why is Iran such
a I mean, there are other countries that are much
more of a menace in a sense of being violent
or doing things. Why is because Iran isn't really they
(31:02):
haven't in the last couple hundred years, initiated war. They
might do it behind the scenes from a terror standpoint,
but so does so many other countries. So why from
a business standpoint, we're you know, resources and routes. Why
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Speaker 3 (32:56):
Well for one thing. Casp and c right, I mean
that's I've got some book from the seventeen hundreds that
I mean we're talking, you know, written in seventeen hundred
style and public and printed in the seventeen hundreds, you know,
creaky pages. And it's the same players. I mean again,
it's the same bears fighting over the same rivers and streams. Right,
It's the same bears fighting over the same caves. It's
(33:19):
the Caspian Sea. You can see the fights that were
going on about the Caspian Sea and the seventeen hundreds
and the Persians doing this, and these guys are it's
the same bears, right, And it's about those routes and
resources through the Caspian Sea area. Of course, you know,
oil wasn't a big thing back then, but the routes
were right. Now, You've got, of course, all of those
(33:39):
golf states are big oil people, right. You've got Saudis
of course, kuwaitis, Qataris who apparently just got struck by Israel.
You've got Iraq, of course, Iran is quite big, bayh Rain, right,
these are the serious players UAE. And so all of
this is right there. You know, if you go back
to the Venetian times, you know, and and the Genoans
(34:01):
and all those guys fighting it out in the med
and the Arabs, you know, they took the golf area, right,
and and it ended up with all that oil too, right,
And so I mean it so over time, the same
routes have been important. For instance, the straight of horn
moves has been important for a very long time. So
whoever controlled that had power for a very long time, right.
(34:23):
And then obviously the energy the oil was found, and
then the need and desire for oil obviously increased dramatically
and still is quite high, right and and so, but
now when it comes to routes and resources, there are
many routes and resources. Keep in mind. Let me let
me rewind something. We didn't even realize that the human
(34:46):
circulatory system, you know, like that our hearts were the
main pump for blood until about four hundred years ago,
right right, William Harvey. You know, we didn't even know
that until like four hundred years ago. We didn't even
map out our vascular system and our are we in
our circularatory system until about roughly four hundred years ago.
Think about that for a minute.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Well, we're basically basic.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
They're basically chimpanzee, still, right, I mean seriously, I mean seriously,
we're at the stage but heartbeat, blood, you know, I mean,
we're really not passed much past that. Only in fourteen
ninety two, when Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue, the Europeans
did not know the Americas even existed, right.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Think of it, Columbus, Michael.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Okay, Let's say that science figures out portals which would
take away trade routes. Let's say science figures out new
ways which they already have energy, which takes away the
need for oil.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I mean, they're science intech.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Could I mean, I don't know how effective portals are,
but there's the theoretically you just walk through a door
and you're there. So things could dramatically change if we
go through it. Just like we're chimpanzees four hundred years ago,
what we're in right now, we're chimpanzees now.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
We could Yeah we're not past that now.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, the whole paradigm could change.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
But they don't want that either because it changes their
power dynamic.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You know what what I'm watching.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
I just had to throw that at you because it's like.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I'm just I'm watching the way we behave as humans,
and I watched the way chimpanzees behave on you know,
these films with Jane Gotta or whatever. You know, that's
just like we're not much different than that. We're like
chimps with airplanes, right, I mean, I mean when you
look at the way that we behave towards each other,
(36:39):
like there is a path that goes to the bananas,
and those chimps want it, but we got more chimps,
you must die. It's that simple.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I think that even if you ride a subway car
in the in an urban area, I'm not sure if
it's even better than that. I mean I almost think
the chimps could be better than us.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
The way that we are. Yeah, I mean, we're just
not that advanced right as a species. But you know,
you put on the white lab coat and you're like, no,
follow the science. I'm like, I'm done with following the science.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
You just saw what just idiot.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I just saw what just happened with the old follow
the science thing. You know, you know that was a
how about follow the brainwashing and follow the fraud?
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Right, Well, follow the mighty We're going to tell you
what the science is. Never mind if the science makes
no sense to somebody who has a little bit more
than two brain cells to rub together.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's like, look at my white coat. You know, I
know more than you. It's like, listen, you know what
the father of the father of epidemiology, John Snow, he
didn't get he didn't We didn't even know that cholera
came from water until eighteen fifty four. That you know that,
You know that, really we didn't our microscopes. You could
(37:59):
buy the microscopes they had back then, you could buy
them for like twenty five bucks. Today, you know what
I'm saying, they're like a kid's plastic lenses would be better.
I mean, that's how we did not even know mosquitoes
were the vector for things like malaria and yellow fever
and all that until roughly eighteen seventy two, that Cuban guy,
(38:21):
Carlos Finlay, you know what I mean. But and then
you know, finally in the in the in the eighteen
nineties were like, yeah, it's those mosquitos. You know the
name malaria, maul area. We thought it was from my asthma.
We thought it was from swamp gas. We thought it
was from stinky water and stuff. That's why we call
it mal area, bad air, malairy ya right. We thought
(38:43):
all this stuff, so many diseases. I've got you should
see my library. I've got all these original books from
you know, people trying to figure out what causes malaria?
Where does it come from? No idea? I mean, they
were very smart people. What I'm getting to is we're
really not very advanced. And now they're like, yeah, we
understand everything about the viruses you don't understand anything about viruses,
(39:07):
you know what I mean, you can magically make a
new vaccine quote unquote. That's what you can really do,
well is commit fraud against other chimpanzees. But you know,
against other chimpanzees. When one chimpanzee wears the white coat
like Planet of the Apes, you know, you know, you know,
suddenly all the other chimpanzee like follow him.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
He has us so dumb.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Okay, microplastics is hurting us, and so they want to
do CO two to control us so much that they
are forcing people to do plastic bottles in distribution because
glass is too heavy. Glass doesn't turn into microplastics, but
bottles do. And microplastics is the source of so many
(39:49):
issues that we're just starting to figure out. We're just
so dumb in how we go about doing something. It
gets back to the chimpanzee thing. We aren't smart enough
to even come.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Up with solutions that well.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
When the power gets in behind it, when it's all
about power and control, then it's you might as well
throw out at the science altogether.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Is that guy Trump? Didn't he say the other day,
I mean, I'm so busy with other stuff, is he?
Actually going to do a UFC fight at the White
House or is that another joke? You know, I don't
have time to track down all this stuff. I'm so busy.
Did you see that in the news?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Ill That kind of stuff really bothers me.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Some of those posts that he does, he actually doesn't
understand why he's doing some of those things. There is
a post on I don't know, there was a post
on X of him talking, you know, of him looking macho,
of what the War Department making, going to war against
the city of Chicago or whatever. Now, I do think
they need to clear out some of these things that.
I do think that there is a real there's a
(40:46):
real reason to do some of the things he's talking about.
But the memes that they're posting on these social platforms,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
I have no idea why they would do something because
it makes us look like a chimpanzee running the place.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
If he's actually doing that, and it's I mean, that's
what he's trying to do. He's gaslighting, he's causing confusion
and eroding the American spirit. He is clearly if you
experiment with like the actual evidence before us is that
he is an actual trader and he's trying to kill
off Americans. If you experiment with that paradigm, it's actually
highly predictive, right. He can see, you know, like he
(41:24):
pushed the death jab and people are like, well, he
didn't force anybody to get it, okay, chimpanzee, right, Okay,
But he advertised it as much as he advertises McDonald's
and diet coke.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
He's using the White House to advertise McDonald's and diet coke, right,
and he's using the White House to to to push pharma,
which I don't know how much he's making on this, right.
But at the end of the day, if you experiment
with the paradigm that he what would he do if
he were a trader, He would do stuff exactly like that,
(41:55):
and he won't be surprised by the next thing he does.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Well.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
The problem is is that you could look at it
for either perspective with Trump, and that's what makes it
very confusing for people, is because you could also talk
about the fact that he didn't mandate it. But he
also talked about hydroxychloric when he also brought up chlorin dioxide,
although he called it bleach he's doing other things. He
tried to open up the economy, So you can look
(42:19):
at it both ways and be one hundred percent behind it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I see it crystal clear. That was a clear assassination
of millions of people. That was so amazingly obvious, amazingly
obviously warp speeds.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
But my point is is that that's why it's confusing
for people. And I don't think politics needs to be confusing.
Why are you confusing people? It should be straightforward and
there's no reason to do five D chess, right, I
mean I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Especially this is you know, twenty twenty five September, and
he still sticks behind the jabs, right, I mean at
this point, you know, seriously, it is what it is.
I mean, it might be painful, but it's obvious. It's
amazingly obvious. Like I don't need to be a doctor, right,
(43:05):
I don't need to be a doctor to diagnose a
compound fracture. Right, you know, a compound fracture, you know,
the bone sticking out of the skin. Right, is what
it is. It's amazingly obvious that he's not acting on
behalf of the United States. That's stunningly obvious, and that
He's offered to give six hundred thousand Chinese visas. Now
(43:25):
is he sticking with that? I don't know, because his
brain changes with the winds, right, I mean, it's like
watching his thought process is like watching Rice, you know,
wave in the breeze.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Who is he blackmailed by or controlled by?
Speaker 2 (43:38):
That he does?
Speaker 4 (43:40):
He's like this because it makes it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Well, if we were to me, it makes perfect sense.
I mean, look at the things that I've written and
said over the years, and look at I mean when
Newt Gingrich contacted me before the first election, so more
than ten years ago, he called me up and he
was looking for support for Trump, and I'm like, uh uh,
I'm not voting for anything named Clinton at all at
this point, or I never thought about it anyway, or
(44:07):
Obama or any of those clowns, right, no chance or
no bushes, none of that. Right. But I ask him,
why don't you have somebody better than I'll never trust Trump?
And so I've never the days that I've trusted Trump,
the total days equals zero, right, zero from day one.
Because you can see yourself, and you can see your opposite.
(44:30):
He's my opposite. I can see, right, through him like
an X ray. Right, I mean, I that guy is
absolutely a trader. Right, you can see yourself, can see
an opposite. They're both equally that they're both equally rattlesnakes.
And you know, when you look at it from the
(44:50):
larger scale, you got to keep in mind Trump is
not really the boss. He's just there to sell it
for the bigger bosses. Right, that's a good question. It's
clearly an architecture. Keep in mind, there's oligarchical systems that
are like, let's say the US Army. The US Army
is a system, right, or the US Navy or whatever. Right,
(45:11):
it's a system. Right, so you can take all the
generals out and then the others will replace them. Right.
It's the same with the president, right, Trump, he'll come
and go. He's like an autumn leaf on a tree hill.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
Of time power.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
I mean, they don't have as much power as people
think they have.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
He's just there to sell it. He sold the JAB
to huge amounts of people, so much to the point
where they still go, well, he didn't force anybody to
take it. We didn't force you to eat a hamburger either.
But he's been advertising McDonald's steadily since the first term right.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
On my show and talked about how he was brought
into vet presidents and they would bring him in to
see if the president was smart enough to handle the
financial situation. And I asked him, who brought.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
You in to vet these presidents?
Speaker 4 (45:59):
And he's the deep State. I'm like, well, what are
their names? He would not tell me publicly because it's
too dangerous to talk about it publicly. That I mean,
that's what we're getting at, right.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I mean, it's very clear, like, for instance, if you
see a bunch of banks get robbed, but you don't
really know who's robbing them, those banks are still getting robbed.
But when it comes down to, for instance, exactly who's
doing this, some people say Bill Gates or sous but
it's clear they're not the top dogs either. They're yeah,
(46:32):
I mean, but the fact is the fact that we
don't actually know their names. We don't. That doesn't mean
the banks are getting robbed. They're definitely getting robbed. Somebody
definitely blew up nord Stream. Somebody is responsible for the
invasions of the United States. Clearly, IOWM, United Nations, Catholic Charities,
(46:52):
highest Norwegian Refugee Council, Lutheran Services, all these guys, these
are just organizational structures, but they're being funded by somebody.
Like we just saw some UNHCR people on the on
the street in Okinawa like three nights ago, right, and
they're here. They're in the malls here in Bangkok. U
NHCR they were here last time we left it and
(47:13):
raising money, taking people's credit cards to get money to
help stateless people, right. I mean, so there's an organ
there's organizational structures such as like Catholic Charities or Highest
or Norwegian Red Cross. But those are structures like the
US Army. Again, you can knock out every officer in
the US Army and they'll be replaced inside of that
(47:35):
structure with somebody else. Right. And likewise with the president Trump, Trump,
he's just a figurehead. There's not the guy. What's he doing.
He's organizing a fight on the White House? Is that
actually true? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
Come on, it's so as dumb, okay, so cash matel
And some of these guys are just so adamant and
speaking the language of the people, and then they get
into office and they change almost.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Terrified I don't think cash Battel changed from day one.
I'm like, so you think that guy doesn't need to
be anywhere near authority?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Okay, So like Dan Bongino too, these people.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
That guy either the guy's a clown, Dan Bongina, Okay.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
I'm okay, you don't like them, but they they wouldn't
turn and pam bombing Bonnie. Even if you don't like
these people, they wouldn't speak one not.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
A matter of like. It's not that that's that's confusing
with like versus like do I like the snake or
not like the snake. I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
That's a snake, Okay, but it's it's not It doesn't
make sense for them to have a certain opinion and
be very loud and vocal about it and then come
on television or whatever do a one eighty and and.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Look like you're afraid. Okay, they look fear.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Cash Btel he looked like, you know, he had just seen,
you know, somebody get eaten by a wolf.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
So something happened. Do they get when they get in
the office. They think they're going to be doing something
and they get in the office and then they're visited
by the men in black.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
I don't know what he thinks. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
What's really happening, because you don't do that if you care. Okay,
let's assume he just wants public fame and he wants
to be idolized and all this stuff. Even if you're
that type of person, you don't do a one eighty
because you know that that cuts at the very bone
of what it is that you want. That's what I
have a problem with. Something else is controlling them.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know what they think. I
can only look at what they do, and I'm reading
them as humans, right, And I'm, you know, as somebody
who spent a lot of time in really dangerous situations
where like people, there's the gold standard when it comes
to you know, transactions, they're actual gold and silver and
copper and that sort of thing. But in war, it's
the blood standard. Right, You screw and you'll pay in
(49:53):
blood on the spot. Right. So I've spent a lot
of time in a lot of dangerous places where a
lot of people die all around me many times. Right.
Being able to read people and who's dangerous and who's
not is a basic skill, like speaking English to me
when I look at Bonino, and I look at Patel,
and I look at Trump. I'm looking at dangerous people.
(50:16):
I'm looking at these people are easily this is These
are not anybody I would want in any power positions,
but they're installed in those positions. They're actors. This is
k fabe. They're actors. I mean, this is just straight
up Hollywood, like for instance, the so called assassination attempt
on Trump, obvious bullshit. That bullet trace with the camera,
(50:38):
where's that camera? This is the same camera that was
used for that. By the way, you see this camera,
that's the exact camera that was used Sony Alpha one,
you know, photographing the so called you know, the New
York Times guy had I used the same camera. I
have the same lens. That's not the same lens, the
same lens I have it though it's twenty four millimere.
That's what he used, right, and you a twenty four
(51:00):
millimeters This is another one. But the point is is
I've done a lot of combat photography, like a ton right,
unbelievable amounts of firefights and everything else. And I have
never seen in the history of warfare, in the whole
history of warfare, and nobody's been able to produce one
a bullet trace like that in the wild, a bullet trace, right,
(51:23):
that like that trace that was by train, you know
what I'm talking about? The trace. As soon as I
saw that, I was like, that's wrong. And keep in mind,
I don't know any living American that has more combat
photography experience than I have. I don't know anybody that
even comes close. Right, And I use that exact camera,
and I saw that, and I'm like bullshit. Right. Or
(51:44):
look at October seventh with Israel, Right, and it took
seven or eight hours for the IDF to respond when
about a thousand people were being killed. Right, It only
takes four minutes to get a cold blackhawk off the ground.
How do I know that? I used to fly on
them all the time, Right, I used to jump out
of blackhawks. And when I was when I was doing
combat as a war correspondent, I would go on QRPS
(52:06):
Quick Reaction forces. It. These are clear oligarchical structures, and
they're using Hollywood level stuff to manipulate people to get
what they want, to get the behaviors out of us
that they want. All these actors and actresses and clowns
like Scott Adams, who apparently now has some disease that
he's dying from these people pushing dope, pushing uh you know,
(52:31):
jabs and that sort of thing. Look at Joe Rogan
pushing dope on millions of young people, right, this is
he's clearly part of that structure.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
But a Scot do they know they're part of it?
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Or do they just.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Oh no, because I can't read their minds, but they was.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
I think your people are easily to be manipulated, and
so they get.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Manipulated, especially yeah, especially if they're on drugs and that
sort of thing. Right, But that I can't read their mind,
but I can read their act, right, And I saw
I saw Scott Adams pushing the jab on people, making
people feel bad if they didn't take it, trying to
make people feel stupid, and then apparently he took it himself.
(53:11):
And now he's dying. Right, he is pushing dope. In
other words, people, he's always you stolen. I don't know,
I don't know. Maybe it could be another game, but
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I see. The whole thing is, how do we figure
this out? Is it?
Speaker 4 (53:28):
Is it a two sided system where they get people.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
To ying and yang back and forth, so.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
They need it to go to one extreme so they
can bring it to the an extreme to get it
to the path that they want.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
I mean, is that really what they're doing? It like
this diabolical?
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Well, I mean it's like this right when you see
cheese on a mouse trap, right, and you're thinking about
going and getting that bitcoin off the mouse trap? Right?
Another clear fraud bitcoin right, clear, it's naked ly a fraud. Right.
It's gonna take trillions of dollars and sponge it up
probably right, And it's just like and so obvious it's
(54:03):
almost embarrassing to have to say it.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Right, Well, unless you got in early at a dollar.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
And I did, and I did, I got in in
twenty thirteen, right, But I don't have that. I've used
it over time, you know, because of you know. But
what I'm getting to is what I'm getting to is,
you know, the point is it's a clear and obvious fraud, right,
like and stuff.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
It wasn't by the Japanese dude, It's.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
Just But the point is is that if you're you're
there's these frauds can have different levels. Right. Let's say
you have cheese on the mouse trap, right, and the
mouse is like, I can get that cheese off. Maybe
you can. A smart mouse doesn't go near that mouse trap.
But when it comes to some of these things that
you were discussing, well, that cheese is really good. Here's
(54:52):
one way to get it out of the trap. Here's
the thing. The trap can be a trap within a
trap within a trap within a trap. If you even
see cheese, you're in another trap. Right, layers of traps, right,
this is multi layer. Most people can't most people can't
think beyond about three layers. That's just the way people are, right, Like,
you can see a spy. You know what a spy is.
(55:13):
You know what a double agent is, A triple agent.
Most people can figure that out. Quadruble. Okay, I'm getting confused, right,
And it's the same way with traps. When you get
to about level four, three and four, five, five, six,
forget it. It's confusing. It's a it's a rubicus.
Speaker 4 (55:27):
You are in a confusion situation and the problem.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
That's the way they do it intentionally.
Speaker 4 (55:31):
But people need to unite over basic principles in order
to protect theirselves. It doesn't have to be super confusing
if we stay to the basic principles at a basic
level and say these are the things that we are
going to stand strong on.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
Can I say something? Yeah, when people I'm looking for
a little teaching tool here, When people are looking at
say bitcoin, and they're talking about the code, you don't
understand the technology. Okay, you don't either if you didn't
write it. If you didn't write the code yourself, design
it and write it and have complete custody over it
(56:07):
at all times, there is no chance that you understand
it either. I don't mean you, I.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
Would disagree with that.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
If you have access to the full code you could
understand it. Then that's my background. I know you can
understand the code if you have access to the complete code.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
Now, if you don't have access, does who does?
Speaker 4 (56:26):
If you don't have access to the full algorithms, it's
not open source.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
If not just access, I don't know, not just access,
but custody and control so that it can't be changed
because you might have had access this minute. There it is.
It's change.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
Yeah, it's a different if a different procedure is going
on and you don't know about it.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
But that's not the point. The point is is that
very few people are in any position whatsoever to even
vaguely have an idea. That's the point. And it's the
same with follow the science, and people are like, follow
the science, and I'm like, okay, let's go to first prince,
you know, like Newton that sort of stuff, right, principia, Right,
let's go to first principles, follow the science. First of all,
(57:06):
who did the science? Let's go to this. Do you
trust the government? And if somebody says yes, then okay,
that conversations done. Do you trust Big Firema? Right, yes,
it's like yeah, Or if you trust Big Farma, then
that's the conversation's finished. So but if you don't trust
the government and you don't trust big Farma to have
(57:29):
come out with accurate science and good science, then what
else is there? Because they're the ones who produced it
and sold it. So, in other words, first principles, first principles,
we don't trust the people that did it, therefore we
can't trust it at all. Period. Why are we talking
about the science?
Speaker 2 (57:47):
I agree with you, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
Clearly that's clearly a cheese. You got people talking about
the cheese while you're in a different trap. You're in
a different If you're looking at the cheese, going, well,
that code is really good code. Here's the deal. While
you're looking at that cheese, boom, the house blows up.
Speaker 4 (58:04):
Do you think they use God and Christianity to confuse people?
Like God is blessed, you know, he's blessed by God.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
And then it gets all these.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Christians who's blessed by God?
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Whoever the leader is, whatever, whoever the leader is. They
do that in North Korea all the time. They convince
you that this leader is blessed by God and universe.
And then if you are a good person, if you're
a good Christian, you would support this person.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
It's what they're doing with Israel.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
Gross manipulation.
Speaker 4 (58:35):
I'm sorry, but that's what they're doing with Israel right now.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
They're confusing Christians.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
It's not.
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the Zionists try to get everybody confused about what a
Zionist is. A Zionist is a bunch of cartels, right,
(02:46):
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lot of what you see going on in Panama is
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(07:40):
just great, great timing to have you back. Not really
for the great reasons, but the war is heating.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Up pretty much.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I mean all over the map, all over the world,
we're seeing hotspots and you have been covering it. You're
one of the best war correspondents in the world. And
what are you seeing on the ground.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, I just landed back in Tailian, so I'm in
Bangkok right now. This morning, I was over in Japan
and but interestingly, you know, I just got a message
from General Holt, Blaine Holt, retired Air Force general, and
he mentioned to me the violence that just kicked off
in Nepaul, which I'd completely missed. So I called up
a friend in Nepaul. I spent more than a year
(08:24):
in Nepaul, so I'm kind of familiar with it. Have
you know a network over there. But but you know
what I was just told. I just literally hung up
on the phone off the phone about fifteen minutes ago
with a friend in Nepaul, and he said that, well,
it's in the news. Apparently about nineteen students were just
killed yesterday, and what is this over? And in a nutshell,
(08:46):
it sounds like it's over the normal corruption and somebody
within the Nepalese government who are famous for making precipitous decisions,
like you know, you know, there's an assassinate Let's say,
let's let's rewind the tape fifteen years. Let's say there's
an assassination, uh, from somebody on a motorcycle wearing a helmet.
The next thing, you know, they you know, tell everybody
(09:08):
you can't wear helmets, that sort of stuff, you know
what I mean? I mean that, I mean that that
goes back just just crazy stuff like that. So apparently
the government just got a wild hair a couple of
days ago, apparently two or three days ago, and said,
you know, we're not getting any taxes from all these
social media sites like YouTube and Facebook and just shut
(09:28):
them off. I just like, yeah, I mean that sounds
kind of crazy. But I mean, not that they would
shut them off, but but but but but the reason
that they would shut him off is because they're not
getting taxes, right and so and but what what the guy?
What they There's one particular individual apparently that's behind this
(09:49):
but apparently what he didn't take into account is that
many of the Nepalese people depend on things like YouTube
and Facebook. That's how they make their living, selling things
or whatever. Right, the Mountain Guide said, So suddenly you
just shut off their you know, their income, and so
(10:09):
then everybody, okay, rewind the tapes about three days, So
that happened, and then they.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Get they get taxes from the people making income.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
But keep going, right, And you got to keep in mind,
Nepaul is a remittance uh state. Mostly a huge amount
of money comes from overseas, like these Nepalese that you
see working in you know, uh in grocery stores or
whatever seven eleven all over the place, like in Japan
or in the United States. A lot of the Nepalese
they're sending money back, just like Mexicans do, right, So
(10:38):
it's remittance. And and again I've spent a little over
a year in Nepaul, so I'm somewhat familiar with it.
And I see a lot of Nepalese come through the
dairy and gap when I'm down there, like a lot,
you know, and and a lot of them I've been
to their villages, you know what I mean. It's like,
you know, and uh, I'm surprised we have none of
us have recognized each other. But what I'm getting to
(10:58):
is is that the suddenly they took to the streets
and then the police shot and killed almost twenty of them. Right,
that was about they and a half. I don't know
what age. But my friend that I was just on
the phone with, I've known him for many, many years.
(11:18):
He's a documentary filmmaker named Denash Dakota had just got
off the phone with him, and Denash told me that
there were students that were killed in their school uniforms, right,
and so that were in fact. So then they came
the next day, which is today, and started burning the
place down. The young people did they called? My friend
(11:38):
had never heard of gen Z until yesterday when they
started burning the place down. You know, he just thought
there were young people, right, and and he said so
like he today saw the presidential the presidential offices burning down,
the Prime Minister's office burning down. The school that his
daughter goes to just got burned down because it's related
to the prime minister's family. Apparently, Uh, that's in a
(12:01):
five star hotel. Because I just asked him, I said,
I might just fly up there in a few days.
He said yeah, And I asked how the hotels are
and he said, well, the brand new five star Hilton
just burned down, so apparently that's gone. I said, are
the airport. Is the airport opened, which is you know
at the uh In katman Do And he said the
airport's actually closed right now. So so you know, it
(12:22):
sounds like some dramas are still unfolding. And I've been
in Nepal when there's when there's fighting going on, lethal fighting, right,
I was, like I said, I spent over a year
there and that was during the mostly during the war
with the Maoist or maybe all during the war with
the Mouist and and uh and you know, because I
would come and go. Actually it wasn't one year all
at one time. I would come and go for like
(12:43):
a couple of months, now two weeks, two months, you
know what I mean, that sort of thing and added
up to over a year. And and what I did
realize is that the Nepalese they know how to fight
and they will fight. I mean, they're very nice people.
I love the Nepalese people, but they're like type people
when it comes time to fighting, they're good at it,
you know, and and they will do it. They're unafraid
(13:05):
to take a bullet, right, and so they are apparently
still going at it. Like my friend told me he
saw fire still burning tonight. He said the smoke that
he saw coming from the fires was something like he's
only seen on television before it, Right, there's just huge,
thick black smoke and burning down so many government offices
and other related One thing he did say, he pointed out,
(13:29):
and again this is all like fifteen twenty thirty minutes
ago that he told me all this. We had a
long phone call. But he, you know, he said that
they weren't actually looting. They were just burning stuff down,
and they were so busy, you know, but they didn't
burn they were just yeah, he said, they weren't burning
private shops to his knowledge or anything along those lines.
(13:49):
They burned that Hilton down, he said, because it's related
to one of the government, top government peoples. And so
I don't know all the details, but the bottom line
is it sounds like you're not going to be able
to come and go out of the Katmandu airport until
they open it back up. But if I could be
I would be there right now.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Actually, wow, okay, well, you know I infamously had Martin
Armstrong on numerous times now showing that the economic data
is showing exactly what you're seeing, that there's going to
be flash points of war around the world because he's
seeing it. What he does is his program that he's
corrafted sees that the shifts of the economic shifts the
(14:32):
money being moved all around the world, and that when
money is moved in certain ways, it points to war,
and it's you're seeing that here. Now, this was a
different reason, this is taxes not being collected. But they're
so short sighted. This is what your rational behavior we're
seeing everywhere. It's so short sighted because now they're going
(14:54):
to lose even more tax money from the people who
can't make a living from advertising on these platforms. I
just like four or five months ago, I had somebody
from the Philippines saying that there was serious revolutionary talk
that they were able to abate in the Philippines because
the people are just so angry and the current president
(15:15):
was the one who was running for president. The daughter
of the late president was shut out, imprisoned. I mean,
these are the things that are happening all over the
world right now.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I think they're going to increase, uh, you know, for instance,
in the uh uh, you know, the region around Central America,
the United States of course, Venezuela, Giana. I think you
know you're going to see it pick up and uh
and and also increasing over in the the Israel theater
for instance, apparently there was just an attack and Cutter, yes,
(15:46):
and uh and uh and you know it's I think
you're you're just going to see this as the way
of the future for the near the the the near
term future.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Cutter is very angry at Israel because Israel took the
hub Loss Gaza war situation and brought it to a
new country and they're bombing residential neighborhoods and Cutter to
get to Hamas people. And Cutter is not happy about it,
at least publicly. I mean, you never know what's really
going on behind the scenes. But they put out press
(16:18):
releases and they're saying that it's a violation of international
law to go after to do this.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
In our country.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Mildly. Yeah, it's over the top of my international law, Yeah,
very very much. And you know, by the way, the
US has a significant military presence there and cutter as well.
Right and uh, and so I mean the the it's
just growing. That's what wars do, right, they grow. And
(16:48):
this isn't a local war, right, that's just a habit
of wars. Like fires, they grow once they get to
some certain magical point, then they have their own life.
They're like a monster that's now born, a little godzilla,
and then it nobody can shut it off, right, like
the war between Ukraine or who you know, at the
(17:09):
various parties, there's there's no individual that can turn it off.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
It's almost like Medusa in her head. You cut off
her head and three heads come back.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I mean, that's the whole.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
That's what that story is.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, the Pakistan India interaction they recently had, you know,
with the air battle and all that that could have,
that was that close to going. In fact, I thought
that it had probably reached the tipping point, but apparently
it didn't. But it looked like it was taking on
a life of its own. But but again they they
cut it off early, right, But at some point when
(17:43):
everybody comes to the party, you can't really cut it
off anymore. It just kind of does like fires do.
It burns itself out and goes its way, and and
and that's the way that the global situation is now.
Because you know, keep in mind the various wars we see.
Whether you know Ukraine and Israel, they're the same war.
They're not separate. What you see happening in Panama, it's
(18:06):
all the same thing. It's not now. At the local scale,
people would say, well, how do you see this as
related to Ukraine? This is not related at all? Right,
But uh, but when you're looking at it from the
big picture, not only are they related, it's like, how
could you possibly miss it if you're looking at it
from a strategic vantage point.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Well, okay, so explain it for a child. How are
they related?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Well, on the global scale, this is about routes and resources,
and we have titans. It's a clash of the titans. Right.
CCP is one of the titans, a Chinese Communist party. Right,
United States is one of the Titans. The Zionist conglomerate thing,
which is not Jewish, by the way, some are Jewish,
but a lot of the Zionist are Christians. Right, But
the Zionists try to get everybody confused about what a
(18:52):
Zionist is a Zionist is a you know, it's a
it's a it's a it's a bunch of cartels, right business,
and they fight each other, right and and so a
lot of what you see going on in Panama is
Zionus versus CCP. When I say that, people are you know,
a few people get exactly what I'm talking about. Like
black Rock clearly is zion this company, right, and and
(19:15):
and uh, you know Blackrock. Trump is trying to help
black Rock buy the ports on either end of the
Panama Canal that the CCP runs Chinese Communist Party right
the hutcheson wim Pope. I mean, I'm at those I'm
at those places all the time. And and uh and
and so you know it didn't work. I mean, Trump's like,
you know, black Rock is gonna get it, but they
(19:35):
didn't because CCP said not so fast, Rambow, and you know,
and they didn't get it right. And so China is
still building, right, I mean, because you know they're they're
China's still building a bridge right out of the canal.
I'm getting updates about it constantly, right, new bridge and
new videos. I'm getting constantly only publish a few of them.
But but the China is still building that fourth bridge.
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They're still making China the habit that they have done.
And I don't know when this goes back to. Masako
is translating a book right now, Masako Ganaha that she found.
I think it's a nineteen forty one book by a
Japanese army officer and he talks about It's only in Japanese,
but he talks about how China just grows and becomes
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another country, right, which is something I've talked about many times.
How Chinese will tell you that we're not going to
attack Taiwan, We'll just become Taiwan. A Hondura in general
told Masako and me over dinner a couple of years
ago in Honduras. He said, you know, Americans think the
Chinese are going to attack everything, but that's not how
(20:40):
they're going to do it. They will just become that, right.
And that's interesting because a Chinese PLA officer told me
that he spoke English. Well, that's a Chinese PLA officer right,
works for the CZP, right. He told me that he's like,
we're not going to attack Taiwan, we will just be
come Taiwan. He goes, Taiwan has thousands of country companies
(21:04):
in China. Why why do we need to attack them.
We're just We're just And then this general and told
us exactly the same thing.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well smarter though, because you don't want to bomb your suppliers,
you just become it. But that's the whole point of
the immigration coming into our country is they're just becoming it.
I mean, that's the article work. They think one hundred
years out, we think kind of like like you said,
hold on Ramble, We think strategically battles instead of bigger
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picture civilization, absorbing, changing and changing the dynamics of business.
They think they intertwined business into everything and.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
The population and all.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
They're smarter one hundred years out.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, And it's and it's it's a cultural firmware. It's
not at the individual level, it's a it's at the
cultural firmware level. Right. For instance, Masako found we were
to talk during the flight today and she's reading this
book from nineteen forty one. This book was banned by
the GHQ, which is the General Headquarters that US military headquarters.
After World War Two, we banned about more than seven
(22:12):
thousand books like collected them up and destroyed them somehow, right,
But a few of them have survived, and Masako got
our hands on one. So this is one of those books.
So this book, it's by a Japanese army officer nineteen
forty one, and he's describing the characteristics of the United States,
the Russians, the Chinese, and the Japanese. And he says,
for instance, the Japanese don't want to give up one
(22:34):
centimeter of land, right, They'll fight tooth and now for
one centimeter, he said. The Chinese, though, are different. The
Chinese don't mind actually losing land for a while because
once you invade, they'll just start marrying into the people
that invaded and hope you you'll build that place up
because they're going to they know they're going to get
it back later, right and they and that's also the way.
(22:55):
That's also the way they invade, like they've I've been
to Tibet. That's the way they were doing it in Tibet.
They just kind of they did some kinetics they did,
you know, they ran a lot of the Tibetans out right,
but they like killed a bunch of them. But at
the same time, mostly it was about moving in like
Jinjiang now right where the Wigers are, right, they just
become you. And and so it's interesting because in this
(23:17):
old book Masako found it's called Race War actually and
it translated to English, and he talks about the Russians.
He said, basically, the Russians are savages. Is in the
bottom line. But he says, Americans are always after the dollar, right,
Americans are after the dollar. The Chinese are They don't
mind losing some land. In fact, they can lose it
(23:39):
for a century and be just fine with it because
they know they're going to get it back later. But
she told me today actually during the flight, she was
just reading a section where the Chinese apparently say they
think it takes about twenty four generations, seven hundred years
or so something like that to actually totally basically digest
another culture, right, just like like anacon to basically you know,
(24:03):
eat it and swallow it and slowly think about it.
It becomes you.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
But it's amazing they can even look at something that
many generations. I mean, I'm only alive or we're only
alive for one, you know, lifetime.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
The fact that they see they see the whole.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Existence differently right, because they tap into their ancestors. They're
very spiritual with their ancestors, and then they see their
ancestors as somebody they're going to guide when they are
in the afterlife. They just view things differently, don't they.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Some of the big time globalists looking they don't plant,
you know, the five year plan stuff that's for children.
Five year plans for children. These people are thinking in
terms of centuries. And I'm talking about there are Westerners
that are like that as well, that they do see
the big plant. There are some that actually do. But
a lot of us only look in terms of our
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own lifetime or you know, maybe one or two generations.
But there are some Westerners who look at things, you know,
like you know Rockefellers, They look at things on a
long time frame, right, uh, they they and they build
this into these foundations, and what right they build it
into the firmware, right, They they energize it and plant
the crops basically knowing that not just crops, but like
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redwood trees. Right. And that's the way the Chinese are.
So you're you're going some of these people that are
fighting each other are fighting on a glacial scale. It's
quite large and it goes so slowly that it's kind
of hard for the average person to even detect. But
this is the main like big power stuff going on. Actually, right,
(25:41):
you know the earthquakes that you see with you know
that basically the I don't mean physical earthquakes, but I
mean human earthquakes that you see unfolding. Now, this is
tectonic plates of of of big, big oligarchical systems that
are that you know, that extend way beyond anybody alive. Now,
like none of this started during the lifetimes of any
(26:02):
of us. Nobody remembers when this started because none of
us were born and our grandparents were not born, right,
our great grandparents were not born. If you want to
try to figure out when this started, you got to
keep looking in these old books and listen to this
old firmware. That's why Masaka is translating this. It's actually
just a nineteen forty one book, which in you know,
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in our term, in the terms of this stuff, basically
means it was printed this morning, right, I mean, but
the Japanese officer he's tapping into this, he's like, you know,
the Chinese look at this in terms of like twenty
four generations to absorb and become another culture. Anyway, when
we get this book translated, we were talking about it
over dinner tonight, we're gonna have to release this in English.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Well, I think that that's why it's such an amazing
time right now, because these centuries, these century old battles
are coming to.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
A head right now, which.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Is incredible to be part of. But people don't know
how to navigate, they don't know how to understand it,
they don't even know how to put it in context
to their daily lives because it is kind of overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
And what power do people have.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
I think we have a lot more power than we
We have more power if we exert our power, but
so many people are afraid to or they don't even
know how to.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Right, I mean Massako and I again, we're talking about
that today during our flight from Japan over here to Thailand,
and Thailand's in a similar situation. By the way, We're
not here by coincidence. You know, I used to have
an office in thailiand so I'm quite familiar with this place.
I've been all over this country. Thailand is geostrategically important, right,
(27:43):
It's the as one friend calls it. It's the hyphen
and Indo Pacific security, right. I mean this is this
is a very important place. Most people don't get that,
but I do. That's why I've spent so much time here,
and that's why we were just in Okinawa, same thing, right.
And so there's certain places that have more of a
charge to them, like Panama, right, or Netherlands, right, these
(28:06):
these places that we spend so much time in, and
but Thailand. There's clearly people that are trying to rip
this one apart too. But this is only part of
a bigger play. It's not part of some I mean
there's local people that are involved. Now. So you can
point to tax in the former prime minister and his daughter,
the prime minister and his other daughter, the other prime minister.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You can look at it at the at the at
the you know, the most recent events uh, or you
can look at this more on the UH you know
the UH inter generational inter century scale, which is the
scale I look at it because if you want to
be able to predict what's going on, you really have
to look at the way the rivers flow, right, you
(28:49):
know what, you know what I'm saying. If you want
to if you want to if you want to know, uh,
like these wars that were like how did Masako and
I successfully predict nord Stream will get interrupted and that
grown in gas field would get closed, and that Panama
Canal would become a huge issue, and that the dairy
and Gap would open up, and the screw worms and
the mdr TV. We predicted all these things way in advance.
(29:12):
You see the screw worms that are in the news. Now,
we first started predicting, we first started publishing that in
two thousand and twenty one, right, I mean, I mean yeah,
I mean it was just it was like it was
we got on the trail. We realized the screw worms
were down in the dairy and gap in the United
States had a program there to stop them. So we
reached out to the to the US agency that does
(29:35):
this and realized, you know what, they're going to let
these screw rooms back in the United States or they're
going to give them a bus right up one or
the other, because we know what they're up to. And again,
this is all about depopulation and repopulation. This is about
routes and resources. Right when you look at depopulation.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Controls the money, right because that's a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Right now that that you know money, money is money
is not the top level of all this money is
you know, we're talking routes and resources. The people that
want these routes and resources, they already print the money.
They don't need money. They have the printing press. They
want wealth. They want Suez Canal, they want Bob al Mandeb,
(30:21):
straight up Gibraltar, they want Dana Straits, they want you know,
Turkish Straits and you know straight uh, you know, Malacca,
Panama Canal. Right, that's what they want. They want straight
out our moods. Right. They want Iran gone dead, right,
they want Russia dead. They want to talk and see.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Let's talk about Iran because Iran has always been a
thorn in the side of the Zionis right, Iran is
always their target, at least publicly. Why is Iran such
a I mean, there are other countries that are much
more of a menace in a sense of being violent
or doing things. Why is because Iran isn't really they
(31:02):
haven't in the last couple hundred years, initiated war. They
might do it behind the scenes from a terror standpoint,
but so does so many other countries. So why from
a business standpoint, we're you know, resources and routes. Why
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Speaker 3 (32:56):
Well for one thing. Casp and c right, I mean
that's I've got some book from the seventeen hundreds that
I mean we're talking, you know, written in seventeen hundred
style and public and printed in the seventeen hundreds, you know,
creaky pages. And it's the same players. I mean again,
it's the same bears fighting over the same rivers and streams. Right,
It's the same bears fighting over the same caves. It's
(33:19):
the Caspian Sea. You can see the fights that were
going on about the Caspian Sea and the seventeen hundreds
and the Persians doing this, and these guys are it's
the same bears, right, And it's about those routes and
resources through the Caspian Sea area. Of course, you know,
oil wasn't a big thing back then, but the routes
were right. Now, You've got, of course, all of those
(33:39):
golf states are big oil people, right. You've got Saudis
of course, kuwaitis, Qataris who apparently just got struck by Israel.
You've got Iraq, of course, Iran is quite big, bayh Rain, right,
these are the serious players UAE. And so all of
this is right there. You know, if you go back
to the Venetian times, you know, and and the Genoans
(34:01):
and all those guys fighting it out in the med
and the Arabs, you know, they took the golf area, right,
and and it ended up with all that oil too, right,
And so I mean it so over time, the same
routes have been important. For instance, the straight of horn
moves has been important for a very long time. So
whoever controlled that had power for a very long time, right.
(34:23):
And then obviously the energy the oil was found, and
then the need and desire for oil obviously increased dramatically
and still is quite high, right and and so, but
now when it comes to routes and resources, there are
many routes and resources. Keep in mind. Let me let
me rewind something. We didn't even realize that the human
(34:46):
circulatory system, you know, like that our hearts were the
main pump for blood until about four hundred years ago,
right right, William Harvey. You know, we didn't even know
that until like four hundred years ago. We didn't even
map out our vascular system and our are we in
our circularatory system until about roughly four hundred years ago.
Think about that for a minute.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Well, we're basically basic.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
They're basically chimpanzee, still, right, I mean seriously, I mean seriously,
we're at the stage but heartbeat, blood, you know, I mean,
we're really not passed much past that. Only in fourteen
ninety two, when Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue, the Europeans
did not know the Americas even existed, right.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Think of it, Columbus, Michael.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Okay, Let's say that science figures out portals which would
take away trade routes. Let's say science figures out new
ways which they already have energy, which takes away the
need for oil.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I mean, they're science intech.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Could I mean, I don't know how effective portals are,
but there's the theoretically you just walk through a door
and you're there. So things could dramatically change if we
go through it. Just like we're chimpanzees four hundred years ago,
what we're in right now, we're chimpanzees now.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
We could Yeah we're not past that now.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, the whole paradigm could change.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
But they don't want that either because it changes their
power dynamic.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You know what what I'm watching.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
I just had to throw that at you because it's like.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I'm just I'm watching the way we behave as humans,
and I watched the way chimpanzees behave on you know,
these films with Jane Gotta or whatever. You know, that's
just like we're not much different than that. We're like
chimps with airplanes, right, I mean, I mean when you
look at the way that we behave towards each other,
(36:39):
like there is a path that goes to the bananas,
and those chimps want it, but we got more chimps,
you must die. It's that simple.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I think that even if you ride a subway car
in the in an urban area, I'm not sure if
it's even better than that. I mean I almost think
the chimps could be better than us.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
The way that we are. Yeah, I mean, we're just
not that advanced right as a species. But you know,
you put on the white lab coat and you're like, no,
follow the science. I'm like, I'm done with following the science.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
You just saw what just idiot.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I just saw what just happened with the old follow
the science thing. You know, you know that was a
how about follow the brainwashing and follow the fraud?
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Right, Well, follow the mighty We're going to tell you
what the science is. Never mind if the science makes
no sense to somebody who has a little bit more
than two brain cells to rub together.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's like, look at my white coat. You know, I
know more than you. It's like, listen, you know what
the father of the father of epidemiology, John Snow, he
didn't get he didn't We didn't even know that cholera
came from water until eighteen fifty four. That you know that,
You know that, really we didn't our microscopes. You could
(37:59):
buy the microscopes they had back then, you could buy
them for like twenty five bucks. Today, you know what
I'm saying, they're like a kid's plastic lenses would be better.
I mean, that's how we did not even know mosquitoes
were the vector for things like malaria and yellow fever
and all that until roughly eighteen seventy two, that Cuban guy,
(38:21):
Carlos Finlay, you know what I mean. But and then
you know, finally in the in the in the eighteen
nineties were like, yeah, it's those mosquitos. You know the
name malaria, maul area. We thought it was from my asthma.
We thought it was from swamp gas. We thought it
was from stinky water and stuff. That's why we call
it mal area, bad air, malairy ya right. We thought
(38:43):
all this stuff, so many diseases. I've got you should
see my library. I've got all these original books from
you know, people trying to figure out what causes malaria?
Where does it come from? No idea? I mean, they
were very smart people. What I'm getting to is we're
really not very advanced. And now they're like, yeah, we
understand everything about the viruses you don't understand anything about viruses,
(39:07):
you know what I mean, you can magically make a
new vaccine quote unquote. That's what you can really do,
well is commit fraud against other chimpanzees. But you know,
against other chimpanzees. When one chimpanzee wears the white coat
like Planet of the Apes, you know, you know, you know,
suddenly all the other chimpanzee like follow him.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
He has us so dumb.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Okay, microplastics is hurting us, and so they want to
do CO two to control us so much that they
are forcing people to do plastic bottles in distribution because
glass is too heavy. Glass doesn't turn into microplastics, but
bottles do. And microplastics is the source of so many
(39:49):
issues that we're just starting to figure out. We're just
so dumb in how we go about doing something. It
gets back to the chimpanzee thing. We aren't smart enough
to even come.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Up with solutions that well.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
When the power gets in behind it, when it's all
about power and control, then it's you might as well
throw out at the science altogether.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Is that guy Trump? Didn't he say the other day,
I mean, I'm so busy with other stuff, is he?
Actually going to do a UFC fight at the White
House or is that another joke? You know, I don't
have time to track down all this stuff. I'm so busy.
Did you see that in the news?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Ill That kind of stuff really bothers me.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Some of those posts that he does, he actually doesn't
understand why he's doing some of those things. There is
a post on I don't know, there was a post
on X of him talking, you know, of him looking macho,
of what the War Department making, going to war against
the city of Chicago or whatever. Now, I do think
they need to clear out some of these things that.
I do think that there is a real there's a
(40:46):
real reason to do some of the things he's talking about.
But the memes that they're posting on these social platforms,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
I have no idea why they would do something because
it makes us look like a chimpanzee running the place.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
If he's actually doing that, and it's I mean, that's
what he's trying to do. He's gaslighting, he's causing confusion
and eroding the American spirit. He is clearly if you
experiment with like the actual evidence before us is that
he is an actual trader and he's trying to kill
off Americans. If you experiment with that paradigm, it's actually
highly predictive, right. He can see, you know, like he
(41:24):
pushed the death jab and people are like, well, he
didn't force anybody to get it, okay, chimpanzee, right, Okay,
But he advertised it as much as he advertises McDonald's
and diet coke.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
He's using the White House to advertise McDonald's and diet coke, right,
and he's using the White House to to to push pharma,
which I don't know how much he's making on this, right.
But at the end of the day, if you experiment
with the paradigm that he what would he do if
he were a trader, He would do stuff exactly like that,
(41:55):
and he won't be surprised by the next thing he does.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Well.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
The problem is is that you could look at it
for either perspective with Trump, and that's what makes it
very confusing for people, is because you could also talk
about the fact that he didn't mandate it. But he
also talked about hydroxychloric when he also brought up chlorin dioxide,
although he called it bleach he's doing other things. He
tried to open up the economy, So you can look
(42:19):
at it both ways and be one hundred percent behind it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I see it crystal clear. That was a clear assassination
of millions of people. That was so amazingly obvious, amazingly
obviously warp speeds.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
But my point is is that that's why it's confusing
for people. And I don't think politics needs to be confusing.
Why are you confusing people? It should be straightforward and
there's no reason to do five D chess, right, I
mean I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Especially this is you know, twenty twenty five September, and
he still sticks behind the jabs, right, I mean at
this point, you know, seriously, it is what it is.
I mean, it might be painful, but it's obvious. It's
amazingly obvious. Like I don't need to be a doctor, right,
(43:05):
I don't need to be a doctor to diagnose a
compound fracture. Right, you know, a compound fracture, you know,
the bone sticking out of the skin. Right, is what
it is. It's amazingly obvious that he's not acting on
behalf of the United States. That's stunningly obvious, and that
He's offered to give six hundred thousand Chinese visas. Now
(43:25):
is he sticking with that? I don't know, because his
brain changes with the winds, right, I mean, it's like
watching his thought process is like watching Rice, you know,
wave in the breeze.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Who is he blackmailed by or controlled by?
Speaker 2 (43:38):
That he does?
Speaker 4 (43:40):
He's like this because it makes it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Well, if we were to me, it makes perfect sense.
I mean, look at the things that I've written and
said over the years, and look at I mean when
Newt Gingrich contacted me before the first election, so more
than ten years ago, he called me up and he
was looking for support for Trump, and I'm like, uh uh,
I'm not voting for anything named Clinton at all at
this point, or I never thought about it anyway, or
(44:07):
Obama or any of those clowns, right, no chance or
no bushes, none of that. Right. But I ask him,
why don't you have somebody better than I'll never trust Trump?
And so I've never the days that I've trusted Trump,
the total days equals zero, right, zero from day one.
Because you can see yourself, and you can see your opposite.
(44:30):
He's my opposite. I can see, right, through him like
an X ray. Right, I mean, I that guy is
absolutely a trader. Right, you can see yourself, can see
an opposite. They're both equally that they're both equally rattlesnakes.
And you know, when you look at it from the
(44:50):
larger scale, you got to keep in mind Trump is
not really the boss. He's just there to sell it
for the bigger bosses. Right, that's a good question. It's
clearly an architecture. Keep in mind, there's oligarchical systems that
are like, let's say the US Army. The US Army
is a system, right, or the US Navy or whatever. Right,
(45:11):
it's a system. Right, so you can take all the
generals out and then the others will replace them. Right.
It's the same with the president, right, Trump, he'll come
and go. He's like an autumn leaf on a tree hill.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
Of time power.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
I mean, they don't have as much power as people
think they have.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
He's just there to sell it. He sold the JAB
to huge amounts of people, so much to the point
where they still go, well, he didn't force anybody to
take it. We didn't force you to eat a hamburger either.
But he's been advertising McDonald's steadily since the first term right.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
On my show and talked about how he was brought
into vet presidents and they would bring him in to
see if the president was smart enough to handle the
financial situation. And I asked him, who brought.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
You in to vet these presidents?
Speaker 4 (45:59):
And he's the deep State. I'm like, well, what are
their names? He would not tell me publicly because it's
too dangerous to talk about it publicly. That I mean,
that's what we're getting at, right.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I mean, it's very clear, like, for instance, if you
see a bunch of banks get robbed, but you don't
really know who's robbing them, those banks are still getting robbed.
But when it comes down to, for instance, exactly who's
doing this, some people say Bill Gates or sous but
it's clear they're not the top dogs either. They're yeah,
(46:32):
I mean, but the fact is the fact that we
don't actually know their names. We don't. That doesn't mean
the banks are getting robbed. They're definitely getting robbed. Somebody
definitely blew up nord Stream. Somebody is responsible for the
invasions of the United States. Clearly, IOWM, United Nations, Catholic Charities,
(46:52):
highest Norwegian Refugee Council, Lutheran Services, all these guys, these
are just organizational structures, but they're being funded by somebody.
Like we just saw some UNHCR people on the on
the street in Okinawa like three nights ago, right, and
they're here. They're in the malls here in Bangkok. U
NHCR they were here last time we left it and
(47:13):
raising money, taking people's credit cards to get money to
help stateless people, right. I mean, so there's an organ
there's organizational structures such as like Catholic Charities or Highest
or Norwegian Red Cross. But those are structures like the
US Army. Again, you can knock out every officer in
the US Army and they'll be replaced inside of that
(47:35):
structure with somebody else. Right. And likewise with the president Trump, Trump,
he's just a figurehead. There's not the guy. What's he doing.
He's organizing a fight on the White House? Is that
actually true? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
Come on, it's so as dumb, okay, so cash matel
And some of these guys are just so adamant and
speaking the language of the people, and then they get
into office and they change almost.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Terrified I don't think cash Battel changed from day one.
I'm like, so you think that guy doesn't need to
be anywhere near authority?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Okay, So like Dan Bongino too, these people.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
That guy either the guy's a clown, Dan Bongina, Okay.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
I'm okay, you don't like them, but they they wouldn't
turn and pam bombing Bonnie. Even if you don't like
these people, they wouldn't speak one not.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
A matter of like. It's not that that's that's confusing
with like versus like do I like the snake or
not like the snake. I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
That's a snake, Okay, but it's it's not It doesn't
make sense for them to have a certain opinion and
be very loud and vocal about it and then come
on television or whatever do a one eighty and and.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Look like you're afraid. Okay, they look fear.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Cash Btel he looked like, you know, he had just seen,
you know, somebody get eaten by a wolf.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
So something happened. Do they get when they get in
the office. They think they're going to be doing something
and they get in the office and then they're visited
by the men in black.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
I don't know what he thinks. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
What's really happening, because you don't do that if you care. Okay,
let's assume he just wants public fame and he wants
to be idolized and all this stuff. Even if you're
that type of person, you don't do a one eighty
because you know that that cuts at the very bone
of what it is that you want. That's what I
have a problem with. Something else is controlling them.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know what they think. I
can only look at what they do, and I'm reading
them as humans, right, And I'm, you know, as somebody
who spent a lot of time in really dangerous situations
where like people, there's the gold standard when it comes
to you know, transactions, they're actual gold and silver and
copper and that sort of thing. But in war, it's
the blood standard. Right, You screw and you'll pay in
(49:53):
blood on the spot. Right. So I've spent a lot
of time in a lot of dangerous places where a
lot of people die all around me many times. Right.
Being able to read people and who's dangerous and who's
not is a basic skill, like speaking English to me
when I look at Bonino, and I look at Patel,
and I look at Trump. I'm looking at dangerous people.
(50:16):
I'm looking at these people are easily this is These
are not anybody I would want in any power positions,
but they're installed in those positions. They're actors. This is
k fabe. They're actors. I mean, this is just straight
up Hollywood, like for instance, the so called assassination attempt
on Trump, obvious bullshit. That bullet trace with the camera,
(50:38):
where's that camera? This is the same camera that was
used for that. By the way, you see this camera,
that's the exact camera that was used Sony Alpha one,
you know, photographing the so called you know, the New
York Times guy had I used the same camera. I
have the same lens. That's not the same lens, the
same lens I have it though it's twenty four millimere.
That's what he used, right, and you a twenty four
(51:00):
millimeters This is another one. But the point is is
I've done a lot of combat photography, like a ton right,
unbelievable amounts of firefights and everything else. And I have
never seen in the history of warfare, in the whole
history of warfare, and nobody's been able to produce one
a bullet trace like that in the wild, a bullet trace, right,
(51:23):
that like that trace that was by train, you know
what I'm talking about? The trace. As soon as I
saw that, I was like, that's wrong. And keep in mind,
I don't know any living American that has more combat
photography experience than I have. I don't know anybody that
even comes close. Right, And I use that exact camera,
and I saw that, and I'm like bullshit. Right. Or
(51:44):
look at October seventh with Israel, Right, and it took
seven or eight hours for the IDF to respond when
about a thousand people were being killed. Right, It only
takes four minutes to get a cold blackhawk off the ground.
How do I know that? I used to fly on
them all the time, Right, I used to jump out
of blackhawks. And when I was when I was doing
combat as a war correspondent, I would go on QRPS
(52:06):
Quick Reaction forces. It. These are clear oligarchical structures, and
they're using Hollywood level stuff to manipulate people to get
what they want, to get the behaviors out of us
that they want. All these actors and actresses and clowns
like Scott Adams, who apparently now has some disease that
he's dying from these people pushing dope, pushing uh you know,
(52:31):
jabs and that sort of thing. Look at Joe Rogan
pushing dope on millions of young people, right, this is
he's clearly part of that structure.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
But a Scot do they know they're part of it?
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Or do they just.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Oh no, because I can't read their minds, but they was.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
I think your people are easily to be manipulated, and
so they get.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Manipulated, especially yeah, especially if they're on drugs and that
sort of thing. Right, But that I can't read their mind,
but I can read their act, right, And I saw
I saw Scott Adams pushing the jab on people, making
people feel bad if they didn't take it, trying to
make people feel stupid, and then apparently he took it himself.
(53:11):
And now he's dying. Right, he is pushing dope. In
other words, people, he's always you stolen. I don't know,
I don't know. Maybe it could be another game, but
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I see. The whole thing is, how do we figure
this out? Is it?
Speaker 4 (53:28):
Is it a two sided system where they get people.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
To ying and yang back and forth, so.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
They need it to go to one extreme so they
can bring it to the an extreme to get it
to the path that they want.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
I mean, is that really what they're doing? It like
this diabolical?
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Well, I mean it's like this right when you see
cheese on a mouse trap, right, and you're thinking about
going and getting that bitcoin off the mouse trap? Right?
Another clear fraud bitcoin right, clear, it's naked ly a fraud. Right.
It's gonna take trillions of dollars and sponge it up
probably right, And it's just like and so obvious it's
(54:03):
almost embarrassing to have to say it.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Right, Well, unless you got in early at a dollar.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
And I did, and I did, I got in in
twenty thirteen, right, But I don't have that. I've used
it over time, you know, because of you know. But
what I'm getting to is what I'm getting to is,
you know, the point is it's a clear and obvious fraud, right,
like and stuff.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
It wasn't by the Japanese dude, It's.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
Just But the point is is that if you're you're
there's these frauds can have different levels. Right. Let's say
you have cheese on the mouse trap, right, and the
mouse is like, I can get that cheese off. Maybe
you can. A smart mouse doesn't go near that mouse trap.
But when it comes to some of these things that
you were discussing, well, that cheese is really good. Here's
(54:52):
one way to get it out of the trap. Here's
the thing. The trap can be a trap within a
trap within a trap within a trap. If you even
see cheese, you're in another trap. Right, layers of traps, right,
this is multi layer. Most people can't most people can't
think beyond about three layers. That's just the way people are, right, Like,
you can see a spy. You know what a spy is.
(55:13):
You know what a double agent is, A triple agent.
Most people can figure that out. Quadruble. Okay, I'm getting confused, right,
And it's the same way with traps. When you get
to about level four, three and four, five, five, six,
forget it. It's confusing. It's a it's a rubicus.
Speaker 4 (55:27):
You are in a confusion situation and the problem.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
That's the way they do it intentionally.
Speaker 4 (55:31):
But people need to unite over basic principles in order
to protect theirselves. It doesn't have to be super confusing
if we stay to the basic principles at a basic
level and say these are the things that we are
going to stand strong on.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
Can I say something? Yeah, when people I'm looking for
a little teaching tool here, When people are looking at
say bitcoin, and they're talking about the code, you don't
understand the technology. Okay, you don't either if you didn't
write it. If you didn't write the code yourself, design
it and write it and have complete custody over it
(56:07):
at all times, there is no chance that you understand
it either. I don't mean you, I.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
Would disagree with that.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
If you have access to the full code you could
understand it. Then that's my background. I know you can
understand the code if you have access to the complete code.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
Now, if you don't have access, does who does?
Speaker 4 (56:26):
If you don't have access to the full algorithms, it's
not open source.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
If not just access, I don't know, not just access,
but custody and control so that it can't be changed
because you might have had access this minute. There it is.
It's change.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
Yeah, it's a different if a different procedure is going
on and you don't know about it.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
But that's not the point. The point is is that
very few people are in any position whatsoever to even
vaguely have an idea. That's the point. And it's the
same with follow the science, and people are like, follow
the science, and I'm like, okay, let's go to first prince,
you know, like Newton that sort of stuff, right, principia, Right,
let's go to first principles, follow the science. First of all,
(57:06):
who did the science? Let's go to this. Do you
trust the government? And if somebody says yes, then okay,
that conversations done. Do you trust Big Firema? Right, yes,
it's like yeah, Or if you trust Big Farma, then
that's the conversation's finished. So but if you don't trust
the government and you don't trust big Farma to have
(57:29):
come out with accurate science and good science, then what
else is there? Because they're the ones who produced it
and sold it. So, in other words, first principles, first principles,
we don't trust the people that did it, therefore we
can't trust it at all. Period. Why are we talking
about the science?
Speaker 2 (57:47):
I agree with you, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
Clearly that's clearly a cheese. You got people talking about
the cheese while you're in a different trap. You're in
a different If you're looking at the cheese, going, well,
that code is really good code. Here's the deal. While
you're looking at that cheese, boom, the house blows up.
Speaker 4 (58:04):
Do you think they use God and Christianity to confuse people?
Like God is blessed, you know, he's blessed by God.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
And then it gets all these.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Christians who's blessed by God?
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Whoever the leader is, whatever, whoever the leader is. They
do that in North Korea all the time. They convince
you that this leader is blessed by God and universe.
And then if you are a good person, if you're
a good Christian, you would support this person.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
It's what they're doing with Israel.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
Gross manipulation.
Speaker 4 (58:35):
I'm sorry, but that's what they're doing with Israel right now.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
They're confusing Christians.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Hi, everybody, it's me Cinderea X. I'm just listening to
the fringe radio network while I clean these chimneys with
my gas livers. Anyway, so Chad White, the fringe cowboy,
I mean, he's like he took a leave of absence
or whatever, and so the guys asked me to do
(59:25):
the network.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
ID.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
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I was gonna say it, fringe radionetwork dot com.
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I mean it's so great. I mean it's clean and simple,
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How do you get it fringeradionetwork dot com right at
the top of the page. So anyway, so we're just
gonna go back to cleaning these chimneys and listening to
the Fringe Radio Network. And uh so, I guess you know,
I mean, I guess we're listening together. So I mean,
I know, I mean, well, I mean, I guess you
(01:00:29):
might be listening to a different episode or whatever, or
or maybe maybe you're listening maybe you're listening to it,
like at a different time than we are. But I mean, well,
I mean, if you accidentally just downloaded this, no, I
guess you'd be Okay, I'm rambling. Okay, okay, you're listening
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