What Happens When You Wander Strange Roads at Night? - Where Did The Road Go? - Fringe Radio Network

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, everybody, It's me Cinderoa Acts. I'm just listening to
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Speaker 3 (02:33):
Content transmissions start. Welcome to Where Did the Road Go?
Join us as we wander off the path and explore
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to Theroad Go dot com. Now Here is your host, Soriah.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Welcome to this Wandering the Road edition of Where Did
the Road Go? And I am here with Saxon super
Infra red Man. I'm looking for more and Brennan's store.
I'm sorry, Brendan, I don't know how to muck up store.

(03:29):
I'm sorry?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Can I hang up someone else's phone? Is that possible?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yes? Yes, you can disconnect other people on that.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
I am I'm already missing Skype, but we're using Talkie
because I don't want to pay the thing about Skype,
you know, people were like, why are you still using Skype?
And it's like, because it was free and did what
I wanted it to do. I don't need all this
stuff that like Riverside and all these other companies do
where they have all this extra editing stuff. Now I
do all that on my own. I don't need that,
and their.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Tools are always the better ways to do it too.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, exactly. So it's like, I just want something simple.
Talkie is free. It doesn't let us record, but that's
okay because I don't need that functionality. I just need
a nice clear connection and people are like, well, why
don't you use Discord because Discord has really good, you know,
quality sound on it. But when I'm bringing on a
seventy year old author, trying to get them to understand

(04:22):
how to use Discord is not going to be fun.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
I gotta be honest with you, This forty two year
old author isn't great with it.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I'm not great with it either, because I don't use
it that much. I don't have time to use it
that much. So an example of how my days go
and why sometimes it takes me a while to get
the thing. So I went to sleep much later than
I wanted to last night, which is pretty much normal
by you know, like two or three hours. Then couldn't
get to sleep, and then like I was working on

(04:49):
and I posted it. People will be able to see
it's probably a few weeks back now, but the Connecticut
Hill visit that Natalie Saxon and I made back in
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yeah, Chris fun.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Chris edited it. It looks beautiful, way better than I
would have done editing it. He did some really creative
stuff with it, and I just needed to watch through
and fix a couple of things. And it's taken me
probably a year to get around to doing that. But
that's up, and that's that's cool. There's nothing actually paranormal
on there, but it's a very interesting place and you
can hear how spookily quiet it is. And it's been

(05:24):
that way a.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Great visit, you know, because there was a lot of
just interesting things in the cemetery and around it. You know,
it was a lot of fun. So I'm looking forward
to watching it too.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
So I went. I went to sleep, like I said,
probably three hours after I wanted to, which is beyond
the time most people are getting up, because I do
most of my work at night, so I get up
today around the time I wanted to get up. Maybe
I snoozed my phone once, I think, and because I
was having an interesting dream and I wanted to see
if I could get back to it, and I could not,

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And I don't even remember what the dream was now,
But anyway, after I had a see a few computer customers,
and then I had to go to the store and
then get home and do this. And I walk out
to the car and the battery is dead. Like cool,
I bet I left the domelight on because I was
in the car playing around with the like organizing the
wires and stuff. And that was three days ago. So

(06:16):
if I left a domelight on which I very possibly
could have, the battery probably just drained. So I have
my secondary car which has a bad engine, and because
it has a bad engine, I don't use it that much.
If I'm gentle with it, it's okay usually, but it
still loses coolant and I have to keep an eye
on it. But it will not take big hills in Ithaca,
so I generally don't drive it to Ithaca. But I

(06:37):
needed to go to Ithaca, so I drove that to
Ithaca and then got home about an hour before we
were to record this. Hadn't eaten, grab something to eat
real quick, and then I said, do I have time
to jump the other car and just let it run
for a bit. I'm like, I think I think I
can do this. So I pulled the two cars together
and I'm like, all right, okay. I opened both hoods.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
Ok.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Easy to reach batteries. Great. It's like one of my
cars in the past had a battery in the back
seat that was fun to find. I have no idea
what the logic there was, but I'm like, why is
there no battery, and I had to look it up
and it's like, oh, it's under the back seat. I'm like,
why would you? Okay, yeah, So then I go, okay,
let me grab my jumper cables. So I go to
the car that runs and there's no jumper cables. I'm like, oh,

(07:22):
must be in the other car whose trunk I can't
open because the battery is dead. So I look around.
There's no way to get into the trunk without power,
and those are the only jumper cables I had, and
I'm like, oh, come on, really, I mean, it's not
urgent that I got it jumped right now, but like
I figured, I'm going to do this, just take it
care of it, and then you know that. And then

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I'm like, okay, well I got a battery charger. I'll
go get that. Then I can't find my long extension
cord and the shorter one doesn't reach, and I'm like, okay,
now I got to find the long extension cord. And
you know, the time I had between that then and
when we started this show pretty much just disappeared just
a bap because I'm just doing all this stuff and
running into roadblock after roadblock and these are how my

(08:06):
days go.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I prefer my days being boring. I'm actually I'm not
minding that right now.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I did have some poltergeisty stuff happen. Had three things.
And the first one, so I had a the car
that doesn't have the bad engine that I usually take
to Ithaca. It's like a two thousand and eight and
die and the suspension on it's fine, but it's very stiff.
So you hit a bump, you really feel it. And

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there's a set of railroad tracks in Ithaca, and the
first time I hit them with that car, my phone
flew out of the holder and landed face down on
the shifter and apparently cracked the screen. I didn't notice
at first because it was very subtle, and until something
bright was on the screen and I was like, what's
that hair? Oh, that's a crack. And then I had
to think about it. I'm like, when did I drop

(08:56):
the phone that? Oh? Now I know when that came? Okay,
So I ignored it for maybe a year at this point,
and finally it started getting worse and so I have
coverage to fix it for nothing. So I brought it
in and showed them the phone, and then they had
to order the screen because my phone's old and I
don't plan on upgrading as long as it works. And

(09:17):
so they fixed, they got the screen in, they fixed it,
got it back to me, and I was like, okay, awesome,
fixed screen. So that Saturday, which I think was the
next day, we had two bands in studio for Last
Exit and the second band was about to play and
they were about to play for two hours, and which
was way longer than we expected. It had already been
a long night and they were late, and so I

(09:39):
set up my backup phone as the camera for the drummer.
And then I'm sitting inside waiting for them to get ready,
or maybe they had already started, and my phone, which
is sitting flat on my desk, flips off the desk
and lands face down on the floor. And I just
kind of turned to looked at it, and I'm like,
I didn't touch you. What what just happened? And I

(09:59):
pick it up, and I'm joking to myself, watched the
screen beat crack because I just got it fixed yesterday.
I picked it up. Screen was fine. I put it
on the desk and go about doing stuff. In a
little while later, I pick up the phone and the
screen is no longer responding to touch, and I'm like,
oh awesome. So I grabbed an adapter, pluged a keyboard in.
I'm like, okay, the phone still works. I'll bet when

(10:20):
they put the screen in it either broke the solder
point when it fell, it wasn't like done right or whatever.
Apparently it was a ribbon and the ribbon just came loose.
But the point is it was sitting flat on my
desk now on the edge on the desk, and it
just flipped into the air and landed flat on the floor.
They did fix it in like thirty minutes, and like
gave me the phone back and I immediately dropped it

(10:41):
in the parking lot and I was like, oh, well,
I guess that's a good test. I picked it back up, like, yep,
still works. Okay. Like I went to put it in
my pocket and missed, so I just launched it at
the concrete and it was like boolu loomp. I'm like
all right. Well, And then I had been a customer's
house and as I was leaving her house, all this

(11:03):
noise breaks out in her garage and I'm just it
sounds like somebody's just shuffling through the stuff in the
garage and maybe it was an animal. This was the
middle of the day. They were there mowing the lawn
and there's like no real obvious entrance where all this
noise was coming from. And I'm just like, okay, that's weird.
Like it's not as weird as my phone flipping off
the thing, but like I started to walk to the

(11:23):
car and I went, no, wait a minute, what is
making that noise? And I went back and it stopped,
and I was like, of course, all right. And then
there was a point where I walked onto my porch
and one of the windows starts rattling, and I'm like,
what the hell is that. It's not Wendy, And I
walked over and I pressed my hand against the window
and it stopped rattling, like okay, And then I left
the porch and I came back on the porch and
it starts rattling again, and I'm like, what, I don't

(11:46):
I don't know what's happening right now, Like little things.
Those are the little things that happened to me that
I don't make a big deal about because I don't know,
you know, like if it was windy out. Obviously the
wind would have been rattling the window, but it would
have also been rattling the other wind. It was only
one window that was rattling. That one I have no
explanation for. But I realized, like after a while, I'm like,

(12:06):
there were like three poultergeisty things that happened in like
three days.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
It's like something's trying to get your attention.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, well got my attention. I don't know what it
wants to do with it. Nothing else has happened.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
It's like me hitting on someone at a bar when
I was younger. There's no follow through.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I'd say, what about now? But you're you're married, so
it wouldn't work.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah, I'm married, and honestly, even if I wasn't, there
would still not work.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
I have any other like Kundalini experiences too, or anything
like that lately.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah. Actually, I was on a show last night and
I can't remember the name of the podcast off the
top of my head. I have a very good conversation
and it just started by spine just started hurting at
the base and I'm like, why don't do this during
a show? This sucks? But yeah, that that that I
think was that that that, And it's just I've been
getting bursts of energy, which is really good because I

(12:59):
can get a lot of stuff done. When that happens,
it's almost like being manic. Like the energy just starts
moving and I can feel my my my spine pulsate
and that doesn't hurt, and I'm like, oh, okay, well
now I want to do a million things, you know. Right.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Oh, interesting to see you how much that correlates when
you have some of these Boulter Guys experiences, you know,
over time. Yeah, and if there's any.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
And because the Quindalini stuff just kind of comes and
goes on a regular basis, I don't really think to
correlate it to what else is going on because it's
always kind of there. Yeah, but you're right, I mean,
there could be a direct correlation between that.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Director you know, wants a response to the other or
you know.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
It would just be interesting to kind of like keep
track of.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
At some point, I feel like I feel like something
else happened, but I don't know what it was. What
were you going to say, Brendon, I.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Was going to say I was talking to a friend
of mine and we were sort of having this conversation
about how it feels like things are kind of in
flux right now. Energetically, it feels like there's, at least
in our neck of the woods, it just seems like
there's a lot of things moving. You know, there was
there was a night here because I live not too
far from the river, and there was a night here
where I was thinking about going out. I think it
was actually the night I was going to go see

(14:05):
Final Destination and say, about nine thirty, I thought, yeah,
I'm going to do that. So I started putting my
shoes on, getting my stuff, and all of a sudden,
something shifted and I thought, no, no, I'm not going anywhere.
And not only was it dark outside, it actually got
dark in darker in my apartment. The shadow is actually thickened.
And I've lived here six months that hasn't happened. So
it's it just seems like there's some I don't know,

(14:27):
it's some different point in the energetic cycle. I mean
even you know, Sah, there's a story I told you
which I can't you know, I'm not going to talk
about on air, but like that happened two weeks ago. Now, Yeah,
the message and I like I think that the fact
that I got that message when I did, right in
the middle of the cycle just seems like, Yeah, things
are kind of stirred up. So I wonder if that's

(14:47):
partially why you're dealing with what you're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Maybe. So the podcast that was on the other night
was the Soul on the Highway to Heaven podcast. Oh interesting,
and we had a very good conversation. One of the
things I wrote. I'm just looking at my notes to
see what I wrote down, and May twenty seventh, there
was a knock on the inside of my eyelids that
woke me up. Oh, that's what I wrote, And I'm
going I don't remember what happened, but obviously I must

(15:12):
have felt a knock on the inside of my eyelids.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
That's a new one on me.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, a new one on me, and it starts. I know,
it startled me, but like that, I wrote that down
because I didn't want to forget. But of course then
I went back to sleep and apparently didn't didn't remember.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Do you normally get the knocking or is that like
when you're sleeping. Is that a common thing of experience?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, but not on my eyelids.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
No, that's there.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
It will just yeah, I'll just hear and it's always
three knocks. And my first response is always is someone
at the door. And I'll turn on the camera that
looks at the door and it'll be like, Nope, there's
nobody there. Okay, because sometimes I'm not asleep. Sometimes I'm
like trying to get to sleep and I'll hear a knock, knock, knock.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Okay, I remember long time, not long, I guess, pretty pandemic.
I used to go for Century deprivation floats quite regularly
and I went this one. I went, and it's it's
a lovely experience. If you guys haven't done it, I
highly recommend it, if you find a good place. It's
you get the room for an hour and a half.
The actual float part lasts for an hour, and the

(16:18):
rest of the time is just you know, you have
to shower before you get in the in the tube,
and then you shower after you get out of the
tube because you're covered with salt. And so you go
in and just get comfy. The lights go off, you
bring the top of the pod down and you're laying
there in the dark. And quite often I'll fall asleep.
But one time I was woken up like I was asleep.
I must have been asleep. It's pitch blacks, you know,

(16:38):
you can't tell the difference. But there was three sharp
bangs on the wall behind me, and I thought, oh, okay,
I guess I guess my time's up. So I kind
of moved. I reached over, I turned on the light,
and I opened the pod. When I got out and
checked my phone, and it had only been about forty
five minutes, so I still had plenty of time. And
I thought, well, you know, I'm out of the thing now.
So I cleaned up, went to the front desk and

(16:59):
I said to the there, I said, hey, what's what's
on the other side of the wall from that particular room.
He goes, oh, that's that's the parkade. I said, oh, man,
I said, someone must have been having a bad day
because they they banged on the wall. Woke me right up.
And he gave me this kind of funny look, and
he said, well, it's like it's the Parkad's not right there.
He said, there's an air gap, like a significant air
gap between that and then it's the wall of the

(17:20):
parkade is a concrete wall. So just you know, one
of a couple of odd experiences I had going to
that place in the sensory deprivation chambers. That was I
think like the most obvious, the loudest. The other one
was just more of like a like a sensory enhancement experience,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yes, yeah, I was.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
I was laying there, and again, the whole point is
that there's no sound, there's no site. You're just you're
you're vibing out in this very liminal, liminal space. And
I remember laying there and I could hear people down
the hall talking to the guy at the front counter,
and I was really annoyed, and I I, uh, oh, jeez, like,
why is this so loud? Is the whole point of
this is that I can't hear anything. But when I again,

(17:59):
I talked to the guy at the front desk and
they're probably grateful I stopped going. He said, no, man,
he said, you you cannot hear. Those rooms are soundproof.
That's the whole point, right right, But somehow I was
able to hear him having a conversation with someone through
the door down the hall around the corner while I
was in this enclosed.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Pot maybe you were slightly out of body.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
I kind of wonder, because you know, every now and
again that'll happen. I'll hear something and I'll be told, well, no,
you can't, like physically, it wouldn't have been possible for
you to hear that.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah, I've did one of those tanks one time
and it was really cool. Yeah, I just never had
the time to make time to do one again, Brennan.
But they're they're really neat. The effect is, I mean,
you have that body disassociation so quick that, you know,
if you've got a lot of people that have been
using those that are going to good places or wherever,

(18:51):
you know. I always kind of see that as like
stacking intention on top of each other in one location.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
All interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, yeah, because you.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Think all the people that come in and now that
have you know, gone into those pods and like some
of those folks probably can, like you know, get to
pretty deep states of meditation. Yeah, so I think you
actually start or you know, at least I think there's
a hypothesis of you know, things being a little bit
more malleable, uh, in those spots.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Yeah, I've always kind of wondered that I bought a
think got talked about this in a slack at one point,
but it was before you and I met Brennan. But
I had gone to a yoga studio in Manhattan that
had sub bulfers built into the floor. Oh yeah, and
they would play you know, some of the different sort

(19:39):
of like Tibetan singing bowl, like very low hums through
the subufers in the floor, and you would feel the
course vibration moved through your body in the experience was
similar in some ways to what I kind of felt
like in the uh deprivation tank, but you know, a
completely different way to get to that sort of of

(20:00):
state of mind. And I finally found a sound pack
that's like a backpack that it's basically sub bulfers that
you put on with straps. It creates a similar experience.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
It's interesting.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
Yeah, it's weird. I'm trying to remember. I think it's
called a base pack. Is that the version I found
that was like affordable and they market them for like
silent concerts and things. But you can look down about
like the third or fourth bullet and they're like sound healing,
and you know, if you want to put on like
headphones with that and listen to you know, holocinc kind
of things or whatever else. It's it's a complementary experience,

(20:37):
I think, to the deprivation tanks. Yeah, it's for me.
It's another way to cheat at meditation, just because I
get deeper so much faster.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I don't think that's cheating.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
No, it's not. It's not. And you know, I'm adhd
enough that, like I get so frustrated.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Sometimes it works.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well, So that's right, Oh, I was saying. I was
looking at my notes, and I realized the first both
of Guy's thing was definitely the phone. But also that
was a super stressful night because, like I said, we
had two bands play and the first band showed up
an hour early, and then the second band showed up
an hour and a half late. And the second band,
like I said, they wanted to play for two hours

(21:18):
after already showing up late, which generally would be a problem,
but we were all exhausted, Like everyone here was just
beat and we're like, oh, now you want to play
for two hours? And then they took literally I think
almost three hours to get set up, and part of
that was my sound guy, because there was a saxophonist,
and he had never done a saxophone before. And interesting

(21:38):
the saxophonist was. I mean, he was very good, but
he was like eighty and he couldn't really hear that well.
So he's like, you know, Nathan's trying to hook all
this stuff up, and he's like, how does this Work's
what's going on? He was niney sound guys, Nathan, and
Nathan's being super super patient with him, you know, and
I'm like, oh man, his head's gonna explode when he
gets inside. But he's doing really good, right, And the

(22:02):
thing is, he liked the guy, so he wasn't like
he was. He wasn't as frustrated as I expected him
to be when I came in. When he finally came
inside to where he runs sound from, I'm like you
all right, and he's like, yeah, yeah, it's just taken
a while. And I'm like, okay, because you were being
really patient. He's like, he's a really nice guy. It's
just he wasn't at least huh yeah, And he just wasn't,

(22:24):
you know, understanding what Nathan was doing was basically what
it came down to. But I'm realizing we were all
very stressed and tired when the phone thing happened, Like
the band was everyone in the band was nice. It
wasn't a problem with the band. It was just the situation,
you know. And also he brought a huge trailer with him,
and it was like, oh, can you back it into
my drevet because everything soaked? Everything here has been raining

(22:46):
NonStop for like two months, so everything is bushy. And
I'm like, he's like, I can't back it in. I'm
like okay, He's like, can I drive over the lawn?
And I'm like, I guess you're gonna have to, which
left tire tracks around the lawn. I'm like, oh cool,
more tire tracks. Excellent. But so I'm wondering if all
that stress, you know, even though like I said, it

(23:08):
wasn't necessarily a bad night, but if that stress may
have kicked in the PK energy that flipped the phone
off the desk.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, I think I've told I think I've told you
before that both the dude I know who his when
he his wife knows when he's stressed because when he's asleep,
the closet door rattles. Oh yeah that's cool. So yeah,
it makes it makes if it's going to be anything.
The stress is caused the PK makes again, makes a
lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well, I mean that that is one of the things
that happens when people are stressed or you know whatever.
That's that's when PK energy tends to peak. Mm hmmmm.
So I just hadn't really thought about that, even though
I started talking about how, like, you know, the band,
I could use the phone because it was filming the
band or the other phone, my backup phone that's like
six years old or whatever. But you know, I had

(23:53):
to wait till the band was done so I could
switch my phone. Yeah, that makes sense. But I hadn't
thought about the fact that that was all also a
very stressful night, just because of like how long everything
was taking, the time screw ups and all that stuff.
And the guy had a very good reason for being late.
It wasn't like he was just in considerate or anything.
Like I said. They were all very cool people, and

(24:15):
uh it just you know, we were all very tired.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Yeah, so real quick, Yeah, oh go ahead, Brendan and
all I had just said, what's up? Oh, I thought
you were about to talk and I was talking over
you guys.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I apologize, no you apologize.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
Before we get too far away from it. You know
you mentioned Final Destination. Uh, there was an article going
around about three days ago that one of the screenings
of that the roof of the theater cave it.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think it was down in Texas.
We were just talking about that on the Ghostory Guys
live stream.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
Okay, okay, yeah once you when you said you got
the bad feeling before you went and everything being in flux,
I was like, oh, we need to mention that too,
just because that was such an odd ball.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Of course that would happen at a Final Destination screen.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Of course.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
The big question is now, who who had the premonition
that got everyone out of their safe Yeah?

Speaker 5 (25:05):
Right, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like,
you know, Tony Todd passing away, like, you know, put
some energy into that movie.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Oh man, have you have you seen it?

Speaker 5 (25:14):
No, I've seen his last scene.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, and man, it is it's something that it's it's
actually a really good movie. I quite enjoyed it. But
apparently oh actually, I'm looking at a website called fact Crescendo.
I don't know how true this is. It says that
the ceiling collapse was not actually during the final destination.
Oh oh well that sucks, never mind pointing.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
So his last scene, if I'm remembering right, was not
in the script.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
I from what I've read the there are certain some
of the lines were scripted. And then his final monologue
is apparently freestyle. It's improv and.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's virtual propos to him passing away shortly afterwards.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yes, yeah, because he was very visibly ill. I mean,
you know, we all remember Earlist. I remember Tony Todd
is a very burly, you know, very big man, and
by the end, you know, he still has incredible presence
because you can't take that away from the guy, but
he's so so skinny. Yeah, it was. Actually it was
especially jarring because I just finished playing Indiana Jones in
The Great Circle and sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
How is that?

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Oh it's fantastic, Okay, I adored it. Yeah, no, I
love it. It's like playing if there was a good
Indiana Jones sequel after Last Crusade, but you got to
play It's it's so much fun. And Tony Todd turns
up as one of the At first you think he's
a villain, but he turns out to be something a
little more complex, and of course because it's it's all MOCAP,

(26:40):
he's portrayed as you remember him, a candy man. So
then to see him a couple of days later in
Bloodlines and see that he was quite quite ill towards
the end. Mean I knew he was ill, but to
actually visually see it was was much more emotionally affecting
than I expected.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
So there was a speaking of bands that we've had
up in the studio. This had this conversation recently with
a band, and well, I'll tell the story first of all,
because it's a weird story. The drummer from Drama Screen
Last year, they were supposed to They are the only
band that has played every year since the first year
they came up, which I think was twenty eighteen, and

(27:15):
they played in like January of twenty twenty, so they
actually paid played the year of the pandemic, which most
bands didn't. So we've kept that going as much as
we can, Like, Okay, now that you've played every year,
let's see how long we can keep getting you booked
every single year to play a set. And they were
supposed to play on my birthday last year, and the
guitar player writes me and goes, we gotta postpone and

(27:38):
I said, okay, why what's up? And he goes, well,
our a drummer got into a motorcycle accident and like
totally messed up his foot. Like he sent me a
picture of the foot, like the skin is just ripped
off his foot, and I'm like, oh my god, what happened.
He's like, he hit a goat at sixty miles an hour.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Oh man, oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
So apparently the goat just walked out in front of
him and in his motorcycle, he slammed into the goat,
beheaded the goat, and flew off the bike and like
just totally destroyed his foot. It's okay now now he
you know, this was last September. He's playing with them now.
But then when they had come up, they got a
replacement drummer because he was in no condition to play

(28:16):
before the end of the year, so they got to
fill in and they came up and played and we're
talking about what happened to him, and they're like yeah.
And then there was the time with the owl and
I went, I vaguely remember this same guy driving along
the road, window down in a car, an owl flies
in the window, slams into his head and knocks him out.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
And it's like, Okay, what are the chances that these
things are going to happen to the same person? And
I was talking to the last band we had here
and and I mentioned that and he goes and he's
from Upstate New York and he goes, I've never even
seen an owl. And I'm like, how have you. He's like, yeah,
owls are really rare. And I'm like, are they? Because
I see tons of them. And so now I'm wondering
how rare are owls in Upstate New York because it

(28:56):
seems like they're not that rare. I mean, certainly, rather
one is gonna fly in your car window.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, that's I don't know. The flying in the car
window would be enough for me to like re evaluate
a lot of my life to decisions. You know. That's uh,
maybe I am on the wrong path the.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
House trying to knock some sense into your.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
God specifically pitches an owl through your car window. That's
very specific.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
Yes, yes, Mike Cleland would have a lot to say
about that.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Man, I should ask him. I mean I had one
where it was an exceptionally large owl sitting on on
like just the white line on the side of the road,
and I had this truck right on top of me
behind me. You know, this is like an area where
you're doing fifty five sixty and I see this owl
and I'm like, what, Oh, it's an owl, because it
was big enough to see from a distance. And then

(29:49):
just as I get up to him, he decides he's
gonna fly. And even though I kind of veered to
the left to get away from him, I couldn't. I
was afraid to slow down because this truck was so
close behind me, So just kind of veered over to
the left, and he took off in flight, and while
his wings were totally outstretched, he tapped the car and
he just spiraled upwards and over the car with his

(30:10):
wings completely outstretched. It was completely surreal, probably even more
so for the trucker.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Oh to see the owl spinning around in the air. Yeah, yeah,
that would do it.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
So, I mean I assume it killed it. I don't know,
you know, like, because I was afraid to even slow
down because this guy was doing sixty miles an hour
right on my tail breaking quickly. At that point was
probably not a smart idea.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah, yeah, that point whatever's in front of us taking
one for the team.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
The uh And, like I said, I veered to try
and avoid it, but there was nothing I could do.
I mean, I had one that picked up and started.
Another huge one started flying alongside my car one day
and I looked over and I'm like, oh my god,
that's a giant owl and it's just flying alongside my
car along the field. And then it was dark, but
I could see it clearly, and I was like, Okay,
that was significant.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah. I gotta say, man, I've seen like owls.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
In my life, but you're not an upstate New York.
I'm wondering how rare they are in upstate New York.
You know, let's let's ask, let's ask the all knowing Google.
Is seeing an owl in upstate New York rare? Yes,
seeing an owl, especially certain species, can be considered rare
in upstate New York. Well, uh, interesting, I've seen a

(31:21):
lot of owls.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
That's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
This is one of those things I've just never thought
about until that guy said I've never seen an owl,
And I'm like, what, how have you never seen an owl? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (31:30):
You know, so being in the South, like, you know,
I'm in a place that's not as rural as where
I grew up by any means, but it's still pre
rural if you go ten miles in any direction. But
there are two owls that like live in my neighborhood
and seem all the time, you know, and I'm not
far from like the downtown downtown of where I'm at,

(31:51):
and so you know, you'll just hear them outside. There's
a there's a field. It's actually somebody's property where at
one point in time, I think it used to be
a farm and it got sort of filled over the
decades into houses and things like that around it, right,
But the field's kind of in the middle of the
houses behind it, and so that's where they hang out
because they have a whole field out there where they

(32:12):
can hunt and nobody's gonna bother them. And yeah, you
just hear everyone swell. They'll really let out one of
the loud hoots that like resonates through the house and
you can feel it in your chest, and that's pretty cool.
But you know, there, you know they're owls. There's not
most of the time anyway, I don't think these things
are are messengers of anything like that, right, But you know,

(32:33):
definitely had other times when I've come across an owl
somewhere and I'm like, man, that was really weird.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
I had I had, I still have the pine tree.
There was a point where there were eight owls living
in that pine tree.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Oh good gosh.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
And the reason I know how many is because if
you walk a certain distance toward the pine tree, especially
at night, they'd all just bolt out of it. M M.
After a while, I'm like, Okay, I'm going to walk
toward the pine tree and I'm going to start counting owls.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
And I don't know what kind they were, But we
actually have people stop along the road who are bird
watchers and apparently there's a particularly rare owl that likes
this property and the property across the road, which is
a field, and they will just sit there, especially in
the winter, looking for this owl.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Because finally, one day you know that there's cars just
sitting in front of my yard and I'm like, what's
this person doing? Like they've been there a long time
and it's cold out, and you know, I'm thinking, are
they trying to steal my internet?

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Like?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
What's going on? So I walked out and I'm like, hey,
what's going on. Then they handed me a pamphlet about
the owl oh wow, And then they talked to me
for like twenty minutes about it, and I'm like, okay,
this is I'm cold. Otherwise I'd keep talking to you.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
So you have a rare owl sanctuary on your property?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah? And across the road.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yeah, that's kind of crazy, Sarah.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
I don't know, man, if you've got eight owls on
your property, I think those owls have a saya sanctuary.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
Yes, yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
But I mean I hear and see owls on a
fairly regular basis, so it's kind of like when he like,
like I said, when he said that, I was like, wait,
they're rare. It's rare to see an owl really.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, like I said, I've seen. I can think of
one for sure. It was actually weirdly in downtown Victoria
in the daytime. It seemed very confused, and I think
there was one here in Ontario at night. But that's
that's it, I think. And the movie Lord of Tears,
where the scary villain that haunts the Victoria the old
Scottish manner is some kind of owl creature called Moloch.

(34:34):
But aside from that, that's that's it.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Brendan, you had another You had something to happen to
you recently that was weird.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Didn't you. Yeah, well, there was a couple things. Like
I said, there is the one story which I hate
being that guy who's like, oh, that thing that happened
and I can't talk about but I'm just not comfortable.
I guess Saxon, I can tell you about it off air.
But but then I, yeah, I was. I started monkeying
around with Randon Nautica again. Yeah, and now even though
I do go story guys, I write the horror show
for your daily, I haven't really been pretty disconnected from

(35:02):
the paranormal for the last little while. I just haven't.
It just isn't. I don't know. It seems to kind
of be on a different wavelength than me. I don't
know if maybe I'm just I was still kind of
putting myself back together after everything, you know, pandemic and
all that stuff. I just didn't have the bandwidth. I
have no idea. But a little while ago I thought, man,
you know, I had some fun with Randon Outica during
the pandemic, just walking around Victoria. I should do that again.

(35:23):
I should do that here but in London. So I
paid for the app and I because I'm writing so
much for the show. For the other show, I basically
would My attention was always inspiration, right, so that that
would be like inspiration, you know, and go. So the
first place it took me to was a dirt road

(35:43):
in an industrial part of the city. And what it
took me to was an easy chair that someone had
just left by the side of the road, and it
was covered in snow, but it was it was Yeah,
it was exactly where the map, the coordinates and map
took me to was this easy chair, and I thought, okay,
this is working for me. Let's let's try some other stuff.
And it took me to the one spot, which was

(36:04):
a suburban backyard, which was you know, obviously that wasn't happening.
But then there was a park, and this park there
was absolutely no one in there, but it was trying
to take me to the furthest darkest corner of this
suburban park. And honestly, if it hadn't been, if there
hadn't been so much snow, I might have actually gone
in there to see to see what it was pointing
me towards but I wasn't. I wasn't having it. So

(36:25):
I tried a couple more, and that night, the last
one I did, I ended up in a parking lot
of a school and up. Bear in mind at this
point it's about midnight. And what was interesting about this
is it was the only time I've been doing this
all night where I felt unsafe. I felt like something
wasn't right. I felt like someone I felt watched and
I could hear what sounded like voices, but I was

(36:46):
completely alone, and this place I live in I don't
mind the folks snow. I live in London, Ontario right now,
so there's a lot of wide open space here. It's
a very like spread out city, so I mean, it's
not impossible there was someone way far way I was hearing,
but it was a still night. It was winter, of course,
the snow dampens a lot of sound. I was just
in this parking lot. Something didn't feel right, and I

(37:07):
could hear what sounded like a lot of voices talking,
but no obvious source for it, so that that was fine. However,
I think it was that night I woke up in
the middle of the night convinced there was someone in
my living room. I live on the sixth floor, and
it's not the you know, it's a very secure building.
It's the lock has a chime on it, so if
it ever unlocks you, it plays a little a little jingle.

(37:30):
So I would have heard that, because it's just it's
not a big place, but it's still I got up,
I walked around, and it just even the flashlight on
my phone, you know, how earlier I said that the
apartment was darker than usual. Even the flashlight on my
phone seemed dimmer than it should have been. But there
was no one. There was no I couldn't say anything,
so I went back to bed. And then a few
nights later I thought, oh, let's let's do this again.
And actually, I should say rather I went to a

(37:52):
neighbor in town for coffee the next day and I
tried again, and it took me way out into these fields,
and the prompt that time was confusion. I don't know
why I did that, but as I was driving to
the to the map point, my car got stuck in
some wheel ruts in the icy road and started pulling
me right off the road, and I had to really
fight to stay and I almost went right into the ditch,

(38:15):
and just as I got out of the rut, I
got to my map point and I thought, Okay, well,
I guess that was the confusion. You know, am I
going to crash this damp thing or not. But the
two that really were interesting. One relates to the show,
the Fear Daily show that I work on, and Fear
Daily is it's a daily horror fiction show that I
go write with Brandon Jack Snyder. So like, I've written
two hundred and fifty four stories at this point for

(38:38):
this show, and so I'm always kind of generating stuff.
And there was this one story I wrote last year
called Substation, and the genesis of Substation was I was
out for a walk in this neighborhood and I saw
this house and then I realized that the house looked
something was odd about it, and I got closer and
I realized it was an electrical substation disguised as a house,
so that you know, the doors are heavy steam, the

(39:00):
windows aren't real. You know, it's it's not you know,
it's not a real house. So I wrote a story
based on that, and when I was doing the inspiration
thing with Randonautica. I you know, again, inspiration hit the
button and it took me right to that house. Oh wow, yeah,
it's place I had been months before, because I've actually
moved to this neighborhood now the neighborhood or that house

(39:20):
is So that was kind of funny, ha ha whatever,
this nice little connection to the past, to the past year.
So then I did it again, and this is where
it gets really really strange, because it directed me to
a house on a street not far away, and when
I got to it, it was peculiar because the street
was very quiet, the house was dark, but something about

(39:42):
it felt off. I couldn't say exactly what. It just
felt off, and I thought, well, that's interesting. The thing
about the street was it's a very unusual name, which
just so happened to be the same name as a
as a character in an obscure sci fi film that
Paul and I were talking about the day before. And again,
I can tell you, guys off air what the street is,

(40:03):
but it's like three syllables. It's just a very unusual.
I think it's a Romanian name. And so that was
but I couldn't get the house out of my mind.
So the next night, I was hanging out with a
friend of mine. I said, hey, I want to take
you past the play because I played the situation. And
we're driving down the street towards this house and she
says to me, Oh, it's the one with the light on, right,

(40:26):
And I shook my head and she was reforking across
the street. Said nope, and she said, ah, crap, she said,
it's the other It's right across the street, isn't I said, oh, yeah, yeah,
I said, okay, so I thought so I was just open.
I was wrong. And as we were slowly creeping past,
I realized that you can see, though it looks like
the lightst off, you can actually see light in the
top left corner of the windows. And I realized they

(40:47):
had painted over the inside of all the windows.

Speaker 6 (40:49):
Oh yeah, I this London is pretty well known for
because we're on the four one highway between Detroit and Toronto.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Pretty the city is pretty infamous for organized crime. And
I suspect we were looking at a trap house. I got, yeah,
it's like a place where drugs are packaged or process store.
Yeah yeah, yeah, So that that was my my my thinking.
So I thought, okay, Well, We're just gonna just going
to keep moving and never come back here, because odds

(41:20):
are the plays like that, there are cameras and someone's watching.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
So how did how does so? I tried random nnica
a couple of times when it was free, and it
did absolutely nothing for me. How is it supposed to
be working? Like? What's the concept here?

Speaker 4 (41:36):
So as I understand it, I would have to look
up the actual literature to to fully give you the
scoop because I don't remember the exact details. But it's
meant to use truly random quantum gobbledegook to assign a
map point based on again both your intentions, but also
it claims to be able to find areas where things

(41:59):
are happening or specifically not happening. So again, this is
all very vague. It's word soup. I'm actually just I'm
finding the Okay, So there you go. Random. This is
from their website. Random Nautica is a tool created to
enhance the human experience with novelty. I'm mindfully exploring the world,
the interconnectivity of the universe, and to test the hypothesis

(42:20):
that human consciousness can influence the distribution of random numbers
through mind matter interaction based on theories stemming from the
Fatom project, which I'm not familiar with. The random Autica
app was created to encourage people to venture outside of
their day to day routine by using a quantum random
number generator to derive a truly random coordinate to journey to.
So when I first started doing this, they used a

(42:42):
lot more I would say, like sort of dense language
to describe what they were doing. But yeah, they're what
they're basically saying is it gives you a ran. It
gives you a random point, and if the idea of
being if you with your intention, you can kind of
shape what that point is going to be. In course.
I think the most famous Rando Nautica story is those

(43:02):
teenagers in Seattle who found a suitcase full of body
parts under the dock. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
I can't remember when that happened, but I remember that
hitting the news.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, I can imagine why.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
And so I I guess I've done it a few
different times, but that night, yeah, it was very much
a oh, this is not this is not what I
had intended. And yeah, it's like for me when I'm
using Rando Nautica I feel differently like I that's one
of the few times where I feel like I can
actually intentionally tap into whatever you want to call the

(43:39):
subtle world, whatever you want to call those, those sort
of energies playing around with that. Not every location, but
I feel like that if there's ever like an assisted
way to sort of reach into the pond a little bit,
I feel like Rando Nautica is one of them at least.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Okay. Yeah, Like I said, I didn't get much out
of it when it was free, and then when I
went to try it again, they wanted me to buy it,
and I was like, oh, you're not free anymore. I'm not.
I'm not paying for saying that didn't work for me.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
I mean, in fairness, man, it's I just feel like,
with the Owl Sanctuary and all these things, it's hard
to give you something that's any strangers and what your
experience on a day today. That's a great point, right,
I just I feel like the app is going to
send people to your hosts.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, fair.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
That's how I got there.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
No GPS US random Onica.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
There you go. I mean I think you can use
there's like you get three free credits a day now
or something. Okay, so you can, and they've they've changed
it a little bit so you can also include a
photo of whatever it takes you to. Oh that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
They developed it a little bit me too.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
It seems to have really caught on for a while there.
I don't know if it's still popular, but.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
It's uh, it's a cool concept if nothing else.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Absolutely, it seems like you ought to get interesting effects
from it. I mean, if you think about you know
a lot of the side tests where either influencing number
generators are trying to like kind of guess an X
number or image or having response to it that occurs
before the image. This kind of feels like a combination
between that like promote viewing, yeah, you know sort of,

(45:16):
and then you just kind of end up with something
that's influenced by your intention.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Their website, I found the a little more slightly more
in depth explanation, I say slightly. That's doing a lot
of heavy lifting, but it explains the process a little
bit more so. It says, you set your desired radius,
then you select the type of GPS point you'd like
to generate. It says, so there are anomalies, first of
which are attractors they say attractors are improbably dense clusters

(45:42):
of random points within your set radius. Voids are clusters
within probably low density within your set radius. And then
it says choosing power will provide you with a point
that is the highest power or the most anomalous of
an attractor or void. And then finally it says blind
spots are simply random points. And then it says a
seven attention or theme for your trip in your mind

(46:02):
while generating the point. This process uses theoretical mind matter
interaction paired with quantum entropy to test the strange entanglement
of consciousness with observable reality. Random notts often find their
journey's result in serendipitous experiences that seemingly align with their thoughts.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
So if anyone out there listening has that had interesting
experiences using this app, let us know, tell us your story.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
I'd be very curious to hear.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. I have sort of a thought
experiment here. There's a couple of things I had written
down here that yeah, anyway, I want to play with here.
So obviously a lot of people view this stuff the
paranormal ASTs scary, and sometimes it manifests as scary you know,
and there might be a lot of reasons for that,
but I'm wondering if one of those reasons might be

(46:44):
that something might appear frightening to us because it's actually
scared of us.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
I mean, that's very possible, you.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Know, Like it seems like it's trying to harm us
because it is, because we're somehow intruding into its reality
without realizing it. There's like a soft spot, an area
where there's an overlap, and its response to us is
to be like, hey, jet out of here.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
I mean, there was that I've mentioned before. There is
that story in Derek Derek Luken the book Other Worlds.
I can't remember the author's name, but he talks about Za,
this creature that he while on a DMT trip he
saw he was tripping on the banks of the Ganges,
and he claimed that after he smoked the DMT, and

(47:26):
he had done it dozens of times before this time,
it took him further than it ever had, and he
found himself on this precipice, overlooking this this strange world
that he couldn't even begin to comprehend. He said, it
was just it was hard to understand. And then he
realized between him and it there was this thing which
was made up of many serpentine limbs, and on each
of those limbs there were many eyes, and it started

(47:48):
to undulate and almost like it was dancing, like it
was trying to distract him from the thing behind it.
But he said it was so intense and it frightened
him so badly that when he got when he kind
of came back to his body, he didn't do d
MT again for I want to say ten years. Oh wow.
But what he discovered is that this creature exists in
Tibetan folklore. It's called Zajza, and it's said to guard

(48:12):
the void or the border between worlds. And so what
it did, like, it's not actually it's not, you know,
it wasn't trying to hurt him, but it was trying
to keep him from doing from going somewhere he shouldn't,
and in order to accomplish that, it had to scare.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Him, right, Yeah, I mean it was just kind of
an animal thought at some point, like when someone was
talking about something being scary, and I'm like, maybe it's
scared of us. Like I mean, I don't think there's
any singular thing going on, but in some cases, maybe
we're scaring something else and it's responding with aggression or
trying to puff itself up to look scary, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
I mean, which is you know a lot of animals
have that response in nature to it.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
And that's the thing I keep coming back to when
I when I talk about the paranormal with people, is
that you know, if we accept that this stuff is
out there, then you know, it's entirely possible. There is
a complete second sort of layer of flora and fauna
that are not visible to us. But then we kind
of have to parse and and so who's to say
that there's not something out there that's uh, yeah, that's

(49:15):
that's some kind of animal that we don't have an
analog for but can be scared of us because it
doesn't understand us either.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Yeah, because I think we just say, I think we
tend to have this idea that whatever is not us,
whatever is on the other side of the veil, must
know more than we.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Do, right, Yeah, I was just going to say that, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
It's like they're they're holding the secrets and they're just
kind of keeping it from us. Whereas I don't necessarily
think that's I think that goes along with the whole
disclosure thing and this idea that somewhere out there, Dad
is keeping an eye on things and he's going to
let us know what's really going on.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah. Yeah, that's a very good way to put it.
So I was listening to Peratopia Oculus because Jeremy is
now putting those up and that this like, I I
want to go back and ask myself why I didn't
ask Jeff for these shows at the time when they
were doing Peratopia. I wasn't aware of Peratopia and they

(50:07):
stopped just before I started. Where did the road go?
I met Jeff Ritzman because he was on and it
wasn't even a current episode. I was going back through
the archive of Project Arkivist shows and happened to part
upon the one. I think it was a two parter
with Jeff Ritzman. I had no idea who he was,
even though I had submitted something to Project Core, I
wasn't aware of who the people doing Project Corps were, So,

(50:30):
you know, I listened to him on Project Darkivist. I'm like, oh,
I need to talk to this guy. I contacted Rosian.
Rosian's like, I don't know he doesn't really do this anymore.
And then, you know, I contacted him and he listened
to where did the Road Go? And he went, yeah,
I'll come on, and then that started that whole friendship.
But after he started coming on, they started Peratopia Oculus,

(50:51):
which is just a takeoff of Peratopia, but without really
a schedule, intentionally making it a little more limital and stuff.
And for some reason, I never asked Jeff to send
me those shows, and I have no idea why, Like
I plugged the fact that he was doing it. But
they cost, you know, they weren't free shows. But I
could have just said, hey, Jeff, can you send me
the shows that he I'm sure he would have sent

(51:12):
them to me, and I never did, and I have
no idea why, and no idea why I never said, hey,
he you send me your old Peratopia shows. But I'm
listening to this. They've put up I think two of
them so far, and one of the things that struck
me is that Jeff saw this man who would worish,
a very tall man with a shroud, and it was
a black shroud, almost grim reaperish it sounds like, which

(51:35):
is not uncommon. But I mean his experience is pretty
unique to it. But one of the things he mentioned
that this being told him is that he should go
out into nature because it's easier for them to talk
to us there. And that struck me of like why
is that, you know, like why would that be? Well,
when you're in nature, and I've talked about this with

(51:56):
the wilderness. Poltergeis stuff. When you're in nature, you don't
have all the electronics, all the electronics, you know, all
the electromagnetic fields from our you know, from all the
stuff that we have, you know, I mean we we
we we have so much of your sitting in your home,
you're just inundated with various fields, electromagnetic fields. You know,

(52:18):
you have your Wi Fi, you have your cell phone,
you have you know, just the general radiation given em
radiation given off by your electronics in general, not even
the ones casting stuff out. So when you go out
into like actual wilderness, that stuff is going to lessen.
So if there's something else out there that's trying to
communicate with us, maybe it has an easier time when

(52:39):
we're out there, and maybe our natural PK energy also
is more active when we're away from all this stuff
that is like kind of interfering maybe with the residents
we normally have with the earth.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
I remember I ran when the night I stayed at
Lizzie Bordonhouse. This is eleven years ago now, I ran
into a psychic guy there and he was really interesting
because he didn't he had had an experience last time
he stayed there, but he didn't really want to talk
about it. We got so we went off into the
dining room while everyone else was doing the Ouiji board trip,
and we just got talking. And one of the things
we were saying is I was asking him like, why

(53:13):
do you think people are having do you think people
are having fewer experiences? And he said, well, I think
part of the problem is is that he just held
up his cell phone. He said, I think these things
fracture our focused so much that we can't sync down
far enough to receive the messages we necessarily need to receive.
You know. May be like some people who are very
sensitive still can, but he thinks that there are people

(53:33):
who might have an experience but now just aren't because
in addition to you know, the radiation potential, you know,
things taking up the frequencies and maybe just making it
harder to manifest your your whatever focus you might have
that is needed to help manifest these things as being
kind of stolen and fractured.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's true.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
That makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah. I mean, I make a habit of not attending
to my phone constantly, you know. I mean I see
people who have you know, I mean they're just attached
to their phone. There are many times where I don't
use my phone for hours and then I need like
the flashlight, and I'm like, all right, where's my phone?
And it's always in one of certain places. I make
a habit of not putting it in weird but every

(54:13):
once in a while I might use the flash light
put it in a weird spot because I'm like trying
to get it something or rewire something. And then I
leave the phone there and an hour later, I'm like,
I should add that to my gro grocery list, and
it's like, ah, where's my phone?

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Where it is list?

Speaker 2 (54:31):
I mean, So I'm not someone who is like constantly
on my phone, constantly going through social media or anything
like that. I mean, I just don't have the time
to most of the time. But even if I did,
it's not something that overly interests me.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Yeah, and I try to do the same, but I
tend to I tend to use my phone way more
than I should, just as almost like a nervous tick
kind of thing, you know, Like yeah, like if you're
if I'm in a crowd of people and I got
a beer in front of me, I'll sip it real
fast because it's just it's something to do and i'd
like to. I always think, oh, maybe I must be
unusual that way, or you know, maybe most people aren't

(55:05):
like this, but I think it's along the same lines.
Is when I find out how many people are actually
using things like chat GPT on a daily basis, and
I'm like, oh man, it's a lot more people than
I thought. And so I kind of wonder if if
you kind of minimizing the use of the phone, is
really in a pronounced minority, could be, I.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Mean it might be. I'm like Britnan, I use my
phone like a fidget spinner. I mean yeah, you know.
And honestly, the weird part of that, though, is I'm
also one of those people that like can't sit and
just watch a movie. Yeah, And that's always been true
for me. Ye, So you know, it sort of adds that,
you know, outside stimulation to catch up the other things

(55:44):
that would pull you in different directions from what I'm
trying to focus on. But yeah, I think at some point,
even when I do that, it just overtakes me too.
I still have strange experiences, which is good. But I
do kind of always think the same thing about all
of the signals that we have around us all the
time that we used to not have. Yeah, you know,
and I'm not you know, any kind of negative nancy

(56:07):
about that or doom sayer, but we used to think
asbestos was great too, you know, it was a miracle
material from the future. Yeah, and you know, we use
lead for a lot of stuff for a long time too,
and then you know other microplastics in the world. So yeah,
I would not be surprised if we at least decide

(56:29):
some frequencies are not good for health and some emf
you know, waves are not good for you either.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if even if we don't
have to sort of look to the like physical consequences
of radiation, but just what it's done to our brains, right,
like our attention spans. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean
I I still watch a lot of movies, and I
watch I try to watch anywhere from twenty to thirty
movies a month if I can. But even so, I mean,

(56:58):
I find it harder and hard sometimes to focus because
if I don't plug my phone in on the other
side of the room, I just fidget with it. I
just oh, what's going on? Just quickly, I'll check it.
I'll quickly, I'll check it, and there's no need and
I just think again, Like, I still manage to watch
twenty thirty movies a month, But I think about people
who you know, they just every It's like Netflix. It's

(57:19):
sort of understood that Netflix has a mandate where your
characters have to kind of repeat their motivations because why
they know their audiences is sort of this is second
screen viewing. The audience is kind of looking at their phone.
All this is playing in the background.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Interesting, we got to take a break. We'll be right
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for recommendation, I had to think a little bit about
this one. There was a movie I watched sometime in

(58:58):
the last couple weeks called Curvature. I came out in
twenty seventeen, and I mean the description is just an
engineer travels back in time to stop herself from committing
a murder. It's a fun time travel movie. So if
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It's on Prime Video, it's on Roku, Pluto TV, fowsome,

(59:19):
so you can watch it for free with commercials or whatever.
It's not a must see, but if you're like me
and you like twisty time travel type of things, Curvature
is worth a watch. It's not amazing, but it's good
and I enjoyed it, So that's my recommendation. Curvature. All right,
back to the show. So when I watch movies, I

(59:42):
watch them in bits most of the time, Like I'll
be like, oh, I haven't eaten, I'm really hungry. I
make food. I spend ten or fifteen minutes watching the movie.
Once I'm done eating, I'm kind of like I can't
just sit here and watch this.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Like so it's like I either got to grab something
else to eat because I'm I'm still hungry, or I'm
just going to go work on something. I used to
use my laptop and watch stuff, but I almost never
use my laptop anymore. Like everything I do on my
desktop because it's so much easier to work on the desktop. Yeah,
and sometimes I have my phone or my tablet and
I might play a game or something while a movie's on,

(01:00:18):
but it depends on the movie. Like some stuff you
can do that with you don't have to focus all
your attention on it. You're still getting what's going on.
But then there's some stuff where I'm invested in watching
and I want to watch it, but also I feel
like I need to be doing something else at the
same time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Yeah, it's that weird productivity thing where you're like, no, no,
I cannot I cannot sit. I must be doing. But
then also I'm not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Doing right right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Yeah, especially too, like for me just crank cranking out
all these stories. I have to be taking stuff in
because if i'm I've found if i'm not reading, if
i'm not taking an art, my stories are very are
pretty rough, we'll say it, pretty bad and pretty dry.
I get that, Yeah, you know, because you're constantly trying
to put out cial, but you're not taking anything in.
Like I'm a creative guy, but I'm not that creative.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Right, it's just what's good simulation. Otherwise we don't have that.
You don't end up in some of those places to
come up with the ideas that makes perfect sense.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
You know, like my wife and I maybe watch a
couple movies a month, but part of that is just
because she's so busy, right then she has to get
up early, so like it just doesn't happen, and I
end up doing like what Sarah does where you know,
I've got headphones. I've got some like really cool like
sleep peg phones. I think they're called like acoustic sleep.

(01:01:33):
They look like a little fabric.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Head band with cool.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Yeah, they're kind of Some people don't find them comfortable,
but I do, And so you can just you know,
it looks like a little fabric heead band. And I'll
lay in bed while she's asleep and like watch part
of a movie or whatever. But the thing that I
end up doing, and this is good and bad. But
you know, clips of different movies have ruined me because
I won't go back and rewatch the whole movie anymore.

(01:01:57):
I'll just watch the scenes that I want to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I rarely rewatch anything, yeah, just because there's so much
stuff I want to see. Like I feel like I've
seen that already, Like even though I really enjoyed it
and I don't quite remember it, I've seen it already,
Whereas this movie I've never seen and I don't know
anything about it, you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Know, right, I'm kind of the same way. I tend to, Like,
I have a subscription to this movie club. You have
to buy it. There's a certain week you can buy
it at the beginning of the year, and then you
know you're hooped. So this year I went for it.
I couldn't afford it last year. And every month they
send me anywhere from three to five Blu rays and

(01:02:36):
oh that sounds fun, it's cool. Yeah. They basically they
remaster all these old movies in like really obscure stuff
in some cases. But oh man, there was a reason
I was bringing this up. Movies, oh right, yeah, yeah,
So like I try in order to keep up with those,
I try to have to make sure, like I can't,
as you say, I can't rewatch something because I've got

(01:02:56):
the stack of movies I need to watch before next
month when they're gonna send me an they're stack of movies,
right right, you know, so it kind of helps, but
I don't. I don't do a lot of rewatching. I'm
a little bit the same like a Gladiator. Before I
watched Gladiator too, I rewatched a handful of scenes on
YouTube from the first one because you couldn't make me
watch the full thing again at gunpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I mean, like, I did watch Rogue one for probably
the fifth or sixth time when and Or ended. Oh yeah,
because I was like, okay, now, let me watch Rogue
one again and see because a friend of mine said
that people weren't liking Rogue one as much after watching
and Or, and to me, it actually filled out Rogue
one better, Like I liked it more because you knew
the characters already and they built on that. And I

(01:03:42):
was like, oh this, no, I think this is better now,
like and I loved it before. But that one might
be happy to hear, huh.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
So that just makes me happy to hear too, you know,
because I think Rogue one is such a solid movie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
It's it's my favorite Star Wars movie.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
And the and Or series was fantastic yeah, it wasn't
just another Star Wars series.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
I so badly want to watch that, but I cannot
seem to focus. The TV is my thing that I
cannot focus whatsoever unless I'm watching it with my wife,
because then we'll watch tons of stuff together. Like if
I'm on my own, I just cannot. I cannot make
myself do it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Well, it doesn't it doesn't matter to me if it's
a TV show or a movie. The only advantage with
binging a TV show is I don't have to think
about what I want to watch. Like if I finish
a movie, I'm like, oh now I got to find
something else I want to watch. What am I in
the mood for. But if I'm watching a TV show
and I have ten episodes, I'm like, oh, well, I
know what I'm watching for a while now, because I'll
just keep watching this. But even so, like if I'm

(01:04:41):
watching it with somebody, I will watch a whole movie
just in one sitting. But I think that's because I
can interact with the person i'm watching it with. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and that that makes the difference. So it's like, but
if I'm just by myself, like my mind starts going
I gotta do this. I gotta do this, I gotta
do this. I should probably do that. You know, I
can't just sit here and watch this us I'm fidgeting,
you know, like I want to be physically doing something else.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
Yeah, And sometimes for me with the movie Club, sometimes
you just get a stinker. Oh yeah, and like there's
you get. There's these box sets they do called Hometown
Horrors or Homegrown Horrors, and there are three hyper regional
usually shot on film horror movies from the seventies and
eighties they've found the rights to and restored and all
this stuff. And sometimes you get real gems. But then

(01:05:25):
sometimes man, oh, there was one. It was so boring.
I tried to watch it with the commentary tracks. I thought,
at least this like someone will be talking to me
about the movie right while I'm watching it. But even
the creators, all they could do was talk about how
much their movie sucked. Oh lord, And so well, I
guess we're done here because even they are bored by this.

(01:05:47):
So I'm just I'm going to talk this one up
to experience and just turn it off.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Wow, all right, So another one of these ideas that
I wanted to throw to you, guys. And this this
came about as a combination of of replaying the game
control and also reading part of a chapter or two
of Kenneth Grant's Headay's Fountain, I believe, and for some

(01:06:11):
reason I was just drawn to read it. And I've
read it. I mean I read it ages ago when
I first got it back in the nineties, but I
haven't read it since. And I started reading it at
one point and then stopped, and then for some reason
I just felt this draw to continue reading it. And
when I did that, this is what occurred to me.
So what I wrote down is the idea that something

(01:06:31):
maybe trying to enter our world but just leaves echos
or traces that we can't understand because they're just a
remnant or a shadow what tried to enter. So like
something is trying to come in and communicate with us,
but it doesn't have enough energy and instead it just
leaves a shell or like I said, a shadow or reflection,
an echo of some kind. And that's what we interact with,

(01:06:54):
is just that remnant. Oh interesting, So here we are
thinking we're interacting with this intelligence that intelligence failed to get.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
Through, right right, You're just getting part of it. Yeah, yeah,
I like that a lot. And you know, it kind
of feels like some of the old keyl ideas of like,
you know, the thing can't communicate directly to it with us,
and so it sort of comes across as like chaotic
and you know, scary and all over the place too,

(01:07:23):
and its efforts to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
You know, just communicate.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
But I could certainly see, you know, if reality is
layers of consciousness and different consciousnesses or whatever something like that,
like you're just getting part of the signal coming back
through you know, all the different layers of perception and
filtering and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Like like like something is trying to come up through
the water, but it can't quite make it out of
the water, but it's still disrupting the water. Yeah, so
you're seeing the disruption and you're going, what is this thing?
But the thing that you're that's actually causing the disruption
we have no idea about. Yeah, yeah, we're we're looking
at the after effect. So the shadow person is the
after effect of something trying to manifest in our reality,

(01:08:07):
rather than being the thing that's manifesting in our reality. Yeah,
and who maybe the negativity is also you know, it's frustration.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Well, I do think about that sometimes, right, I think
about when when people talk about their loved ones passing
on or you know, why didn't I get if? Because
one of the skeptical arguments I see is quite often is, well,
you know, so and so got this this lovely afterlife
experience with their departed loved one. I guess why doesn't
everyone deserve that? Are they not good enough?

Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Is it? And I think it's like, well, it's very
likely that whatever waits us after death, if there is
a continuation of consciousness pass point of physical death, I
think it's almost completely impossible to imagine what that would
be like. And so consequently, I think once you're over there,
you're trying to navigate a completely different world using rules

(01:08:55):
that you don't really understand. You're trying to maybe apply
the rules from this, from what you new from this
life to that one. And it makes sense you would
be mad because I mean, it's like playing a video
game and you can't figure out the controls. It's like
me trying to get through this this timing puzzle and
doom right now, I'm like, I don't I can't figure
out how this damn thing works. And there's definitely going
to be a certain amount of frustration with that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:18):
I thought that a lot too, you know, in my
head right before you said video game, it's I was
thinking of like law machines at oh yeah, you know,
like imagine if like you've got these crappy buttons that
can only move two directions very poorly, you know, as
an analogy of like trying to communicate back to your
your loved ones on this earth, you know, who knows.

(01:09:40):
I always kind of wondered if anybody around Harry Houdini
ever actually had any experiences like that, because you know,
when he died, he said he would try to like transmit.
I think it was a way to decipher like a
puzzle he'd left behind or a code I should say,
you know. And I don't know if everybody, anybody ever
got anything worthwhile, but I always kind of insuspicious that

(01:10:01):
somebody may have gotten something but they didn't know what
it was, that they didn't speak out about it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Didn't his wife say that he had come through, and
then she recanted something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I was going to.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
Say, yeah, I think so, but I can't remember. I
think that maybe what I'm trying what I'm pulling at
in my head.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
Yeah, I remember Paul talking about that on a past
ghost story. Guys. He was he was telling me about
some along those lines. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
You know, when my dad passed away, like I had
it like several dreams, you know, with him coming to
like talk and stuff like that. One of my sisters
before he died, had a dream where he was like
packing to leave, and you know, she would be like, oh,
can I go with you, you know wherever he was going,
and he'd be like, no, you can't come right now,

(01:10:43):
you know, kind of like it's a business trip sort
of thing, right, but yeah, you know so, And it
wasn't like we, you know, on the surface knew he
was about to pass away, right right.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Something I wonder too is in regard to like messages
from beyond, is you know we're because we're in this world.
This is the most of this world is all that matters, right,
This is everything we know, Everything that we have built
relies on this place because it's all here. And I
wonder too, I mean maybe when we cross over, maybe
you kind of look back and go, oh man, that's

(01:11:18):
over now. You know. It's like when you're going through
a difficult breakup and it's all that, all that matters,
Like you're sobbing because all you can think about is, man,
we lived here, we had all these good times. Now
it's gone. Even when someone dies, I mean, whatever you
want to call it. But in time, you kind of
you move on and you think, oh, yeah, you know,
it's not that was the thing, and it's past, and

(01:11:38):
it doesn't mean it was bad, but it's not. You know,
it's not important enough to get hung up on. And
I kind of wonder, you know, maybe afterwards, because I
think we have this idea of afterwards as heaven, so
afterwards a stasis, So obviously then you'd want to look back.
But maybe I've kind of always thought that whatever comes
after is another stage of development. I don't necessarily think
it's just stop. It's to think that we all get

(01:12:01):
to hang out in the clouds with eldest. But I
kind of, you know, like, I've had dreams of loved ones,
and I'm not saying that these are visitations, but you know,
I've had dreams of my loved ones, people have been
really close to, and they have in my dreams evolved
over the years. Self fascinating. Yeah, So like my uncle.
He passed in twenty ten, I think it was. He

(01:12:22):
was fifty five, really stand up guy, you know, worked
at the at a drug store, you know, hard worker,
super cool dude, just boom heart. Gave out fifty five
years old, died on vacation, and a couple of times
I saw him, you know, it took a while, and
I saw him in a dream, and I've seen him
a couple of times more. But when I've seen him
a couple of times more, his hair is longer now
and it was never long in life. He never had

(01:12:43):
long hair, but it's kind of long and libya a
little bit even greasy, and he's just a little more rough,
not in a bad way necessarily, but maybe more kind
of who he wanted to be or who he was
meant to be. And I've had a similar experience with
with my grandfather, who you know, we were very very close,
and you know, in my dreams we have come to
speak to each other as equals instead of a child

(01:13:05):
speaking to his grandfather. And I used to like I
would see him as a as a as an older
man I knew, but now when I see him, I
see him as a young man. I see him probably
you know, in his thirties maybe forties, and so it's
just that it's it's not what I would expect. I
would expect if I'm going to dream of a loved one,
it's going to be constantly the thing that serves me,
the thing that makes me feel better. I see, like

(01:13:26):
good old Grandpa the way I remember him. And so
I just wonder maybe there is an element of evolution.
You know, where's my maternal grandmother who passed. I've only
ever seen her, maybe once or twice, and it's always
from a distance, you know. Every now and again, I'll
see her and she'll wave. She'll be off the distance
and she'll wave, you know. And so yeah, I just
wondered maybe maybe there is like a progression even after

(01:13:49):
we leave this world.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Well, I think where we go when we die, we're
there now, Like I think we deal with time here
because our brains are limited intentionally for whatever reason, so
that we have to experience things sequentially in order for
them to make sense. And granted, you know, some of
us get precognition and things like that or deja vu,

(01:14:12):
which may be connected to us seeing things out of order.
But I think that like our higher self is we're
an extension of our higher self. We have no conscious
connection to our higher self, but there's a connection there,
and so when we die, we just become that higher self.
That focus of consciousness goes back to that with the
experience of what you've lived, and maybe multi dimensionally. I mean,

(01:14:36):
we may be living multiple lives in different you know, realities,
and we may be living you know, different lives in
different times as different people simultaneously, like our higher self
being like the palm of the hand and the fingers
being like different lives in different times, but we're still
that hand. So when we die, it doesn't really that

(01:14:56):
we don't go anywhere. We just stop focusing here again,
if you want to take a video game analogy, because
video game analogies actually worked quite well, we've stopped playing
the game, right, yeah, you know, and now we're back
to who, But we never stopped being who we were
when we were playing the game. But then we got

(01:15:16):
something from the game by playing it, and when we
finished the game or we die in the game, we're
still us. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
My only problem I have with that is it reminds
me of a conversation I had with an author on
the West Coast, and his thing was he was one
of these people who very much believes that basically, it
doesn't matter what you do to people in this life
because it's just a play. You wouldn't get mad at
someone for stabbing Caesar in the performance of Julius Caesar
because they're just actors performing a role. And I think

(01:15:45):
that lends itself to some pretty heinous absolutely. So that's
my only problem with the video game analogies. I think
it sort of takes maybe some of the seriousness away
from our actions on this side.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
So this is coming from me, someone who gets bad.
It feels bad if I have to hurt an NPC.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
No, I'm not saying that you're associate about that. That's
not what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
But I'm saying, like, it doesn't have to be that way.
Like I think there's an element of that there, but
that doesn't mean it doesn't give us license to just
harm other people because that harm is an experience too, right.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
Yeah, yeah, you know, so along those lines, I've always
kind of wondered if you know, this is like kindergarten, right,
and you know, when you're out there looking back at
this stuff and the people that are alive. It's very
much like, eh, we'll be here in a little bit, right,
you know, It's like there are day's not over. It's
not time for school to let out yet for them.

(01:16:40):
And you know, not to reduce it to that either,
you know, like your point, brind In, but you know,
it's a necessary thing, and the morality here is what
it should be, because those are the rules that are
appropriate for here and what we're trying to learn, if
you want to look at as learning. But I do
think that you know, if you've passed and you're on
the other side looking back, you're you're probably not is
concerned because they're like, at some point that's going to

(01:17:02):
be over for that person and they'll be here whatever
here is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
But yeah, so that's kind of the way I always
sort of rationalized it too, because you know, just like
we were talking, like I had those dreams where I
talked to my disease deceased father and stuff like that.
But you know, I know a lot of people have
never had anything like that happen, and they feel like
everything is very cold.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Yeah, you know. Yeah, and there are people who experience
who have the near death experience where they experience nothingness.

Speaker 5 (01:17:29):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah, but they're conscious of the nothingness. And that's the
interesting thing to me. Right. Even Shirley Black, like her
second near death experience, she was terrified and she ran
in the you know, in the astral form or whatever,
and ended up in a place of darkness, and she
said it was terrifying. But again, we put a lot

(01:17:50):
of interpretation into this.

Speaker 5 (01:17:52):
Yeah, I only understand it from this perspective. You know,
it's impossible not to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
I wonder too if somebody again, there is this up
recently on the show, is this idea that no matter
what you're experiencing, if you remember it afterwards, then you're
it was an experience filtered through your brain.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Right, So you know, the brain is the seed of consciousness,
whether or not the consciousness originates there or originates somewhere else.
And I wonder in cases where people come back not
remembering anything, I wonder if it was simply they were
so far gone that it couldn't the brain couldn't retain
the information.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Well there's that, and there's I mean, you figure, okay,
a dream is basically an altered state of consciousness. It's
not normal consciousness. And how many times do we have
a dream and as soon as we wake up we've
forgotten it?

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Yeah, that's fair, And so I would think.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
A near death experience is far more of a different
state of consciousness than a dream. So some people may
come back and just not remember. But also it seems
like near death experiences happened for a reason, like someone's
on the wrong path and they sort of correct it. Yeap,
Because people change after near death experience is usually for
the better, and not just because they had a close

(01:18:58):
call with death. Like sure Lee for one, if I
remember right, she was very involved with music and stuff,
and after the after she was crushed by a truck
and they didn't think she was going to survive. When
she came back, she started going to the school, going
to school for more scientific sub subjects because that's what
appealed to her. Like her, everything about her just kind

(01:19:19):
of changed. And when you talk about morals, like it's
hard to say, like are you're like, do animals have
morals right or are they just behaving on instinct? Do
we have morals because we have more power over our
choices because we're not behaving on instinct.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
I tend to think animals, you can see some evidence
that when they are not constantly in a survival situation,
that they will make a non lethal choice, like they can.
They have functional society. It's organized differently than ours. Yeah yeah,
but I mean look at ant colonies, you know, like
they've created far greater things than we have in terms
of like structural complexity. It's just it's it created and

(01:20:00):
according to their rules. So I think what we call
morality is probably maybe a more built in thing that
when there is room for, like when when we don't
necessarily have to constantly just worry about survival, there is
this this sort of flame that's allowed to grow a
little bit in size and kind of allows us to
experience each other on a deeper level. And I think
that's true for animals too. I think what we call

(01:20:22):
morals is sort of this thing that religion has co
opted because they act like they gave that to us. Yeah,
you know, without God, you guys would just be running
around to do an X, Y and Z all day.
And I mean most of the atheists, I know, we're
pretty law abiding people, right, you know, but it's like
you and me, so you and me don't like killing
characters and video games because it just feels bad exactly,

(01:20:43):
you know. And I think that's that's the programming at work,
Like that's our natural state. I think that's the grace
in all of us that is allowed to flourish. I
think that's that's what morals are. It's just again people
have kind of put a name to it and sort
of claimed it's its origin. But I think it's in all.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
Of us, and I think actually occasionally go aheads.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Right, Oh, I was just going to say, I think
the primary moral should be don't harm things.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
Yeah, yeah, do as little harm as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Yeah, we were going to go ahead. No, I was
gonna say, what were you going to say?

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
Well, you know, like in anthropology we talk a lot
about objectivism and relativism and all these things, because morality
would change across cultures, you know, Yeah, and you could
be convinced of something and one culture is correct or
or morally right, and then another culture it would be wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
And I always kind of wonder if part of you know,
our experience on Earth is getting to be better, is
you know, arriving at something that's much more like we're
just not going to hurt anybody or or anything or
what have you. We're not going.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:48):
Yeah, And that's what I always kind of wonder, like
when you know, I don't think the things that we
deal with most of the time or et h. But
if I were a thoroughly advanced civilization and I saw
the where you know, people are preying on other people,
there's wars and bamin and you realize there's enough resources
to take care of all of these things. Yeah, and

(01:22:09):
we still just basically like burn stuff for power, which
is destructive too. You know, I'd be like, yeah, we
don't need to stop there. You know, those things on
that planet that's got the moon around it, we should
leave them alone a little more. They're not ready to
deal with us because they can't even be nice to
each other. Yeah, and it's silly, but it's also like,

(01:22:32):
when you think about it, very true, yep, because we
can address all these things, but we don't have enough
empathy for everybody to actually do those things.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Yep. And we're at of time. So that's a good
place to stop that. We'll continue this on a Patreon,
but I want to thank both of you and where
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Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
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Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
You've got to call my red phone, but only a
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Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
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Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
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(01:24:07):
trying to do like a quote or something something at
the end of each show, just a little inspired by
Welcome to night Vale. And I'm not really sure what
this is going to turn into, but right now I
think I'm gonna I'm just gonna do Some's some song
lyrics that always stick into my head and these come
from Sabbot. Now, if you don't like metal, you're not

(01:24:29):
going to like Sabbot. So this record came out Blew
Me Away when it came out, they were out of
the UK. Came out January fifteenth, nineteen eighty eight. It's
called History of a Time to Come and there's a
lot of the vocalist Martin Walker writes some of the
best lyrics and occasionally he gets a little pony, especially
later on when after he forms Skyclad, which is the

(01:24:53):
first Celtic metal band ever, and eventually like as you
go down the Skyclad stuff, it stops comes less heavy
and more accessible, but still sounding very unique. So like,
even if you don't like metal, you like might like
some of the later skycland stuff because it's it's very
catchy and uh folky and fun. But he always has

(01:25:13):
great turns of lyrics, and on the first two Sabbath
records he talks a lot about sort of like paganism
and stuff like that, and this particular song is about
pan But there's there's one verse here I'm going I'm
going to because it always just sticks in my head
for each delve in Greenwood, far wiser creatures play and

(01:25:35):
in their veins and sinews live the gods of yesterday.
You can look up the rest of the lyrics if
you want to see the rest of the song, even
if you don't want to listen to it. And if
you like Thrash, oh you should go back and listen
to Sabbath if you haven't, first too, not the third one,
third one's horrible, first two, History of a Time to
Come and dream Weaver absolutely amazing. Again. If you like Thrash,
all right, I will see you next time.

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I mean he's like he took a leave of absence
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