August 29, 2023 • 11 mins
Tim Hart from Sydney indie folk-rock group Boy & Bear has a chat with Steve about the band's forthcoming Lost Dreams EP, the 10th anniversary of their sophomore album Harlequin Dream and their upcoming Australian tour.
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(00:04):
Sydney based indie folk rock group Boyand Bear have announced the release of their
upcoming EP, Lost Dreams, aswell was revealing a twenty five date tour
of Australia and joining me now tohave a chat about all news. Boy
and Bear is drummer Tim Hart.Welcome to Garage Rock. Appreciate your time,
man, Yeah, no worries now. There seems to be a fair
(00:25):
bit going on with the band atthe moment. As I mentioned, you've
got the new EP coming out aswell as an upcoming tour, but the
band also had its fifth studio albumreleased earlier this year, and you're also
celebrating the ten year anniversary of yoursecond album, Harlequin Dream. How are
you guys feeling at the moment withall of these events? It does sound
like a lot now that you saythat. Yeah, it's been really interesting.
(00:49):
Our management, we're like, well, there's going to be a bit
bit going on this year, andI think sometimes our head our heads kind
of lived perpetually in the clouds,so we're like, oh, yeah,
we finished the record and back andthen it's ten years from a Harquan Dream
and we're like, oh wow,that's you know that makes you feel old
and then yeah, like we've foundthose songs and yeah, it's I don't
(01:12):
know, there's a lot going on, but at the same time, really
doesn't feel like that to us becauseyou just sort of you lock up and
just keep working. Yeah. Ithink that's the one the one consistent we've
had disappan is that boys felt we'reso privileged to be able to do what
we love for a living, sojust keep working hard at it, and
it's just you sort of move fromone thing to the next, and it
(01:34):
just happens that this year there's alot of moving from one thing to the
next, which is cool an interesting. Yeah, no, it's good.
I mean, like I said,it is the ten year anniversary of Harlequin
Dream. You've got the vinyl setfor release this Friday. Yeah. Yeah.
What was it like revisiting Harlequin Dreamafter ten years? It was it
was really nostalgic, to be honest, even the EP that we're putting out,
(01:57):
like, it was very very nostalgicto hear the songs and it took
us back to the like a reallyfun time. It was. It was
really cool, Like we worked withWayne finally and we worked at a studio
that doesn't existing are called ours andit was mixed with a guy that he
(02:17):
mixed the fleet boxes and machines anda bunch of stuff. So it was
a really exciting time for us becausewe was still very young man and to
hear the stuff now and obviously likeSouthern Side and I've done a lot for
our career, Yeah, and we're, you know, obviously very grateful for
that. So to revisit this stuff, it was really fascinating and and yeah,
(02:40):
very nostalgic. Have you found thatany of those songs over the last
ten years have grown on you morethan they initially did or some of the
meanings have changed for you over thattime. I was convinced I was going
to get completely sick with selling soundlike, just convinced because we had we've
had to play it so much,you know, but I never have.
(03:02):
There's there's there's some songs that Ithink we've realized a more important maybe in
some ways than others, like backDown the Black. We've got a lot
of messages from people who that's helpedout in a from a mental health perspective.
And I think old old town bluesand there's a song that's just kept
going algies massive plane. I'm gettinga visual for it as well. It's
(03:25):
I can't I can say that.Honestly. I've done a couple of hundred
interviews. I've never had anyone pointout a plane flying overhead. So it's
not eighty. I reckon he's Ireckon he's off to London. I reckon
that that could be QF one.I'll do a bit of research later and
find out and let you know,over see what happens. Yeah, I
(03:46):
was just gonna say, Yeah,there are songs like It's particularly like back
Down the Black Deft, that haveended up being like feeling more important,
not not not for any other reasonthat like a lot of people who have
been in touch about them and continueto get in touch about them. Yeah,
I mean I really haven't got sickof any of them. I guess
what happens is when you when youget sick of the songs, you just
(04:08):
don't play it like that. Butyeah, that's fair enough. Well,
I mean the latest single, Abraham, was released a couple of weeks ago,
and it's the first track from theLost Dream z EP, and it
was originally written during the Harlequin Dreamsessions. Yeah, Yeah, can you
tell me a bit about how thesong came about? Yeah, So we
had these this I guess it wasmore like a conceptual idea of moving between
(04:32):
like a I guess tempos from sectionto section, because I guess we were
really interested in that back then,and it was this sort of fair fair
to say ehicle sort of a storyof like a of this sort of escape
and it's a it's a real sortof song with escapism, and so we
tried to like it works really hardon trying to like join these mood changes
(04:55):
together, which is really difficult inthe studio at times, and at times
sort of it happens seem like likeI guess, like a later iteration of
that for us is that the songsuck on Light. But this was just
a really interesting one to try andget that sort of that rollicking start to
the song to Joel with the groupthat happens I guess through the verses and
(05:16):
choruses. Yeah, and you canobviously hear that we're still we're very I
guess we're starting to get really interestedin the seventies sort of harmonies and corals
sound at that point. Ye.So yeah, it came together like,
like, I thought that was goingto be one of the singles from from
the from the album, and inthe end, just because of the balance
(05:38):
of the album, we had tocut it, which which actually, in
retrospect seems like a kind of ashame listening back to it now. But
people are seemed to be loving it, which is which is really nice.
That's cool. I was actually gonnaask that next, Like, it's been
out for a couple of weeks,now, what's the reaction been from fans
to Abraham. You know, it'sbeen an amazing response. I guess one
(05:59):
of the great added in life butalso in music is that no one thinks
about you as much as you thinkthey do. And so I feel like,
if I was completely narcissistic, I'dbe like, well, everyone should
know that this is from How ICan Dream. Yeah, everyone should know
that it's a tenure anniversal. Butthe reality is that people don't, and
they just think it's a new songand they're like, it's really cool,
(06:19):
and these are the reasons I loveit. And some people obviously that are
fans, previous fans, they getit and they understand what it is and
where it's come from but They're overwhelmingresponse has just been this is a really
cool song with a great story,and it's and it feels good and that
makes me. That makes me happy. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean
(06:42):
personally, I think my favorite trackfrom the upcoming EP is I of the
Canyon. I could really like theupbeat rhythm to the song, and the
hook got caught in my head aswell, which is cool. Can you
tell me a bit more about howthat came along and how close that was
to make it to the album?That song? I can't. I can't
even remember the bording with that songfrom honest, I remember it being quite
(07:02):
gotten Jubilee Life from like off ourfirst record, But I remember there was
there was two songs that were kindof along that vein Ilican Dream and the
other one was End of the Line, and I think it ended up being
between the two of them. Onwhat would make the record, I voted
for By the Canyon and got out. I definitely got out voted because it
(07:26):
didn't end the record. As Imentioned earlier, the band is getting ready
to head out on an extensive tourwhich includes quite a lot of regional areas.
Yeah, how much you guys lookingforward to these shows. We love
to during regionally. It's something we'vealways done ever since we started, and
I, you know, you alwayshave talked to a lot of artists.
I think it's like one of themost overarching points that I think all of
(07:51):
my friends that the things we're justso grateful getting. Yeah, we've done
a future now like that that's notreally normal, but everyone we do.
I don't think I'll ever lose theappreciate addition of the fact that you can
just put on a tour and peoplefeel confident enough to to buy a ticket
and come along to it. Soyeah, we're super excited about it.
(08:15):
And there's some places that I haven'tbeen before, so nice. That's exciting
too. Yeah, that's awesome.Well, actually, both myself and my
co host Cam have found that crowdsfeel a bit different after the COVID break.
It feels like they really do appreciategoing to live shows again. Have
you noticed much of a change inthe audience since coming back from COVID.
(08:35):
Yeah, I'd agree with that,And I also think there's been a slight
ship to and and this is Iwould say this is like probably a slight
giffment between Europe and Australia. ButI reckon there's like slightly less phones okay,
and there's still are a shipload ofphones. But before it just seemed
like everyone was just continually documenting,and me be on this tour, I'll
(09:00):
be like, oh, they fuckingstill are. And I don't have a
problem. People can they pay themmoney. They come and see a show,
You do what you want. ButI find it a real shame because
when you go see a live show, you just want to look at it
and hear it and and sort ofI guess, let it watch over you.
I mean that's what I want todo because I guess someone new five
music then. Yeah. But Ithink there's definitely like it feels like there's
a greater appreciation. I think peopleare really keen to hang around afterwards and
(09:24):
just tell you that it means somethingto them. That's good. I think
when you when you take something awayfrom people for a time and then it's
back, it's exciting. And Ihope that there's still that stamp on this
tour. You never know. Withsome of those regional ones, they can
get ready. Yes, yeah,that is true. Now after the national
(09:45):
tour wraps up, in November.Do you guys have any plans for what's
next or after a big year,are you're going to just sort of take
some time off for a bit.Yeah, we're moving straight on too.
But we get Christmas off and thenwe go straight into a European tour cool,
and then when we come back fromthat, well I'm not even sure
(10:05):
if I'm allowed to say this,but but we've got an acoustic album that
we've almost finished. It's just otherversions of the Boy and Bear like soul
titled record Cool, and then Ithink we've got the States, Canada after
that, and I don't know afterthat. So that's I think that's where
(10:26):
we're up to. But I meanI will definitely be recording a new album
next year as well, So it'sgonna stay busy. It's gonna stay busy.
But it's all really exciting stuff.Yeah, it sounds like a hectic
year ahead in twenty twenty four.The Lost Dreams EP by Boy in Beer
is available on September fifteen, andthe tenure Anniversary of Harlequin Dream is available
(10:48):
on September one. To check outall twenty five dates from the band's upcoming
Australian tour, head to boyinbear dotcom, or follow the band on social
media platforms. Jim, thanks somuch for to chat with me on the
Garage Rock podcast and I wish youwhen the boys all the best for the
upcoming year. Leijin, thank youso much.
Sydney based indie folk rock group Boyand Bear have announced the release of their
upcoming EP, Lost Dreams, aswell was revealing a twenty five date tour
of Australia and joining me now tohave a chat about all news. Boy
and Bear is drummer Tim Hart.Welcome to Garage Rock. Appreciate your time,
man, Yeah, no worries now. There seems to be a fair
(00:25):
bit going on with the band atthe moment. As I mentioned, you've
got the new EP coming out aswell as an upcoming tour, but the
band also had its fifth studio albumreleased earlier this year, and you're also
celebrating the ten year anniversary of yoursecond album, Harlequin Dream. How are
you guys feeling at the moment withall of these events? It does sound
like a lot now that you saythat. Yeah, it's been really interesting.
(00:49):
Our management, we're like, well, there's going to be a bit
bit going on this year, andI think sometimes our head our heads kind
of lived perpetually in the clouds,so we're like, oh, yeah,
we finished the record and back andthen it's ten years from a Harquan Dream
and we're like, oh wow,that's you know that makes you feel old
and then yeah, like we've foundthose songs and yeah, it's I don't
(01:12):
know, there's a lot going on, but at the same time, really
doesn't feel like that to us becauseyou just sort of you lock up and
just keep working. Yeah. Ithink that's the one the one consistent we've
had disappan is that boys felt we'reso privileged to be able to do what
we love for a living, sojust keep working hard at it, and
it's just you sort of move fromone thing to the next, and it
(01:34):
just happens that this year there's alot of moving from one thing to the
next, which is cool an interesting. Yeah, no, it's good.
I mean, like I said,it is the ten year anniversary of Harlequin
Dream. You've got the vinyl setfor release this Friday. Yeah. Yeah.
What was it like revisiting Harlequin Dreamafter ten years? It was it
was really nostalgic, to be honest, even the EP that we're putting out,
(01:57):
like, it was very very nostalgicto hear the songs and it took
us back to the like a reallyfun time. It was. It was
really cool, Like we worked withWayne finally and we worked at a studio
that doesn't existing are called ours andit was mixed with a guy that he
(02:17):
mixed the fleet boxes and machines anda bunch of stuff. So it was
a really exciting time for us becausewe was still very young man and to
hear the stuff now and obviously likeSouthern Side and I've done a lot for
our career, Yeah, and we're, you know, obviously very grateful for
that. So to revisit this stuff, it was really fascinating and and yeah,
(02:40):
very nostalgic. Have you found thatany of those songs over the last
ten years have grown on you morethan they initially did or some of the
meanings have changed for you over thattime. I was convinced I was going
to get completely sick with selling soundlike, just convinced because we had we've
had to play it so much,you know, but I never have.
(03:02):
There's there's there's some songs that Ithink we've realized a more important maybe in
some ways than others, like backDown the Black. We've got a lot
of messages from people who that's helpedout in a from a mental health perspective.
And I think old old town bluesand there's a song that's just kept
going algies massive plane. I'm gettinga visual for it as well. It's
(03:25):
I can't I can say that.Honestly. I've done a couple of hundred
interviews. I've never had anyone pointout a plane flying overhead. So it's
not eighty. I reckon he's Ireckon he's off to London. I reckon
that that could be QF one.I'll do a bit of research later and
find out and let you know,over see what happens. Yeah, I
(03:46):
was just gonna say, Yeah,there are songs like It's particularly like back
Down the Black Deft, that haveended up being like feeling more important,
not not not for any other reasonthat like a lot of people who have
been in touch about them and continueto get in touch about them. Yeah,
I mean I really haven't got sickof any of them. I guess
what happens is when you when youget sick of the songs, you just
(04:08):
don't play it like that. Butyeah, that's fair enough. Well,
I mean the latest single, Abraham, was released a couple of weeks ago,
and it's the first track from theLost Dream z EP, and it
was originally written during the Harlequin Dreamsessions. Yeah, Yeah, can you
tell me a bit about how thesong came about? Yeah, So we
had these this I guess it wasmore like a conceptual idea of moving between
(04:32):
like a I guess tempos from sectionto section, because I guess we were
really interested in that back then,and it was this sort of fair fair
to say ehicle sort of a storyof like a of this sort of escape
and it's a it's a real sortof song with escapism, and so we
tried to like it works really hardon trying to like join these mood changes
(04:55):
together, which is really difficult inthe studio at times, and at times
sort of it happens seem like likeI guess, like a later iteration of
that for us is that the songsuck on Light. But this was just
a really interesting one to try andget that sort of that rollicking start to
the song to Joel with the groupthat happens I guess through the verses and
(05:16):
choruses. Yeah, and you canobviously hear that we're still we're very I
guess we're starting to get really interestedin the seventies sort of harmonies and corals
sound at that point. Ye.So yeah, it came together like,
like, I thought that was goingto be one of the singles from from
the from the album, and inthe end, just because of the balance
(05:38):
of the album, we had tocut it, which which actually, in
retrospect seems like a kind of ashame listening back to it now. But
people are seemed to be loving it, which is which is really nice.
That's cool. I was actually gonnaask that next, Like, it's been
out for a couple of weeks,now, what's the reaction been from fans
to Abraham. You know, it'sbeen an amazing response. I guess one
(05:59):
of the great added in life butalso in music is that no one thinks
about you as much as you thinkthey do. And so I feel like,
if I was completely narcissistic, I'dbe like, well, everyone should
know that this is from How ICan Dream. Yeah, everyone should know
that it's a tenure anniversal. Butthe reality is that people don't, and
they just think it's a new songand they're like, it's really cool,
(06:19):
and these are the reasons I loveit. And some people obviously that are
fans, previous fans, they getit and they understand what it is and
where it's come from but They're overwhelmingresponse has just been this is a really
cool song with a great story,and it's and it feels good and that
makes me. That makes me happy. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean
(06:42):
personally, I think my favorite trackfrom the upcoming EP is I of the
Canyon. I could really like theupbeat rhythm to the song, and the
hook got caught in my head aswell, which is cool. Can you
tell me a bit more about howthat came along and how close that was
to make it to the album?That song? I can't. I can't
even remember the bording with that songfrom honest, I remember it being quite
(07:02):
gotten Jubilee Life from like off ourfirst record, But I remember there was
there was two songs that were kindof along that vein Ilican Dream and the
other one was End of the Line, and I think it ended up being
between the two of them. Onwhat would make the record, I voted
for By the Canyon and got out. I definitely got out voted because it
(07:26):
didn't end the record. As Imentioned earlier, the band is getting ready
to head out on an extensive tourwhich includes quite a lot of regional areas.
Yeah, how much you guys lookingforward to these shows. We love
to during regionally. It's something we'vealways done ever since we started, and
I, you know, you alwayshave talked to a lot of artists.
I think it's like one of themost overarching points that I think all of
(07:51):
my friends that the things we're justso grateful getting. Yeah, we've done
a future now like that that's notreally normal, but everyone we do.
I don't think I'll ever lose theappreciate addition of the fact that you can
just put on a tour and peoplefeel confident enough to to buy a ticket
and come along to it. Soyeah, we're super excited about it.
(08:15):
And there's some places that I haven'tbeen before, so nice. That's exciting
too. Yeah, that's awesome.Well, actually, both myself and my
co host Cam have found that crowdsfeel a bit different after the COVID break.
It feels like they really do appreciategoing to live shows again. Have
you noticed much of a change inthe audience since coming back from COVID.
(08:35):
Yeah, I'd agree with that,And I also think there's been a slight
ship to and and this is Iwould say this is like probably a slight
giffment between Europe and Australia. ButI reckon there's like slightly less phones okay,
and there's still are a shipload ofphones. But before it just seemed
like everyone was just continually documenting,and me be on this tour, I'll
(09:00):
be like, oh, they fuckingstill are. And I don't have a
problem. People can they pay themmoney. They come and see a show,
You do what you want. ButI find it a real shame because
when you go see a live show, you just want to look at it
and hear it and and sort ofI guess, let it watch over you.
I mean that's what I want todo because I guess someone new five
music then. Yeah. But Ithink there's definitely like it feels like there's
a greater appreciation. I think peopleare really keen to hang around afterwards and
(09:24):
just tell you that it means somethingto them. That's good. I think
when you when you take something awayfrom people for a time and then it's
back, it's exciting. And Ihope that there's still that stamp on this
tour. You never know. Withsome of those regional ones, they can
get ready. Yes, yeah,that is true. Now after the national
(09:45):
tour wraps up, in November.Do you guys have any plans for what's
next or after a big year,are you're going to just sort of take
some time off for a bit.Yeah, we're moving straight on too.
But we get Christmas off and thenwe go straight into a European tour cool,
and then when we come back fromthat, well I'm not even sure
(10:05):
if I'm allowed to say this,but but we've got an acoustic album that
we've almost finished. It's just otherversions of the Boy and Bear like soul
titled record Cool, and then Ithink we've got the States, Canada after
that, and I don't know afterthat. So that's I think that's where
(10:26):
we're up to. But I meanI will definitely be recording a new album
next year as well, So it'sgonna stay busy. It's gonna stay busy.
But it's all really exciting stuff.Yeah, it sounds like a hectic
year ahead in twenty twenty four.The Lost Dreams EP by Boy in Beer
is available on September fifteen, andthe tenure Anniversary of Harlequin Dream is available
(10:48):
on September one. To check outall twenty five dates from the band's upcoming
Australian tour, head to boyinbear dotcom, or follow the band on social
media platforms. Jim, thanks somuch for to chat with me on the
Garage Rock podcast and I wish youwhen the boys all the best for the
upcoming year. Leijin, thank youso much.
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