NYCC News and Return of the Sith Deluxe Edition Review CCLXI

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Force will be with you always.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance.
Of course, I am your host, Clay and with me
like every single week. Of course, is Katie, Katie? How
you doing?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Hello there, I'm doing okay. If you were following along
on social media this afternoon, I posted that I had
a migraine attack, but it looks to be abated. That
was me knocking on You can't see my desk, but
that was me knocking on wood. Oh.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I just want to also give a really quick shout
out because you said I can't see your desk. I
also can't see if you are wearing a Star Wars shirt.
It is what we do on Wednesdays. I want to
give a shout out to Coal's Coals. Yes, Coles, if

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you want to sponsor us. There is a like selection
of like ten Star Wars shirts at Coals alone. I
actually got this one and I donate Plasma every single week.
I told Abby I'm going to buy a new shirt

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every single time I donate Plasma. They are only fifteen dollars, okay,
so it is not a bad deal whatsoever. I really
like this retro one and actually Amber Lynn shows this one,
so I really really like it. But yeah, I just
want to give a shout out to Cole's for having
an awesome Star Wars selection for apparel sponsored exactly, not sponsored,

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but could be. Guys. This week we actually have some
decent amount of news. Of course, there was New York
Comic Con, and like we expected, there were some announcements,
so we will be talking about those as well as,

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of course the release of the Star Wars Revenge of
the Sith Deluxe Edition novelization. We're going to be talking
about the annotations. We already did the review two weeks ago,
so we're not going to do a review of the book.
We're only going to be talking about the annotations. Katie

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outlined four specific categories in which we were gonna be
looking at these annotations, so we or I broke them down,
not all of them, because there's like over one hundred
and seventy of them. That's the other thing. We're gonna
only be talking about some of our favorite ones. So yeah,

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there's a lot.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
I had probably like sixty bookmarks and I boiled it
down into twenty two, which we're not gonna Like Clay said,
we're not talking verbatim every annotation, but there are some
that I wanted to be able to flip through and go, yeah,
that's the what I was referencing in my post it
notes because Clay was more organized about this than I

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was this time.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, I actually have a full breakdown of the category,
and then I wrote the chapter and then the annotation
that it corresponds to. I'll go ahead and say my
Easter egg explanations are essentially all the same thing, because

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I thought it was really cool something that he did
in this book, and so I will talk about that
when we get down to it. But let's go ahead
and start off with Well, first off, I also want
to say Katie mentioned social media. We do have the
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Wars Alliance. Of course, there is no a in the
word Wars. It's very important, don't forget it. But yeah,
let's go ahead and jump into the New York Comic
Con news. The big thing here is just the publishing.

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There was no like big movie news or TV show
stuff or anything like that. It was all publishing. So
where do you want to start?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
So, first of all, Star Wars news Net has very
good summary article guys of there's a New York Comic Con.
If you guys want to read all the summaries and
everything about the things that we're gonna be talking about,
we're not gonna read it. R babotim I seem to
be having internet issues, so literally the only tab I

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have open right now is Streamyard. Everything else on my
four monitors setup is closed to try and preserve everything.
So first of all, I think we need to get
this out of the water before anything else. So the
first the two big things from this panel was the

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announcement of another Random House World book that is going
to be coming out next July, and it's entitled Star
Wars Legacy and it is about Ray and Leah's Jedi
training experience between the Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker.

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The other piece of big news because this topic that
I want to talk about and just get out of
the way. I first things first has to do with
both books. The second book that was announced was an
official launch of a Star Wars romance line, and this book,
can you remind me what this book's called.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
This book is titled I have it right here, hold
on Eyes Like.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Stars, right, and so both of these books obviously directly
targeted towards women. Eyes Like Stars is going to be
taking place one pipe one point five years before The
Force Awakens and is written by Ashley Boston I believe yes,

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and Madeline Roe I believe I pronounced that correctly is
going to be writing Star Wars Legacy. Both books seem
to be coming out next July summer time frame, so
super cool for us. Clay and I and I say,
the romance book is written specifically for women. Obviously, book

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talk very big into romance at the moment, so creating
Star Wars romance not out of the water, considering how
hyped up it is right now? What do you think about.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
So I have I have said this sentiment like six
bajillion times since this announcement. I have found my way
into different conversations on Instagram, on TikTok, and on Twitter. Uh,
and mostly the vibe for this book, uh shine like

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Stars or what was it called again, Like Stars is
over all positive.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
There is you know the party poopers out there that
are like romance, which is very stupid. But I saw
this and I said fing finally. Yeah not and and

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don't get me wrong, like I have given the romance
genre a chance, I am still open to always reading
something new. I still need to read Fourth Wing. It's
still on my to read pile. But this is a

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whole new like not a whole new This is a
younger tier romance novel. This is a white a romance novel.
But the reason why I said fing finally was not
for the romance genre. It was, Hey, I'm finally gonna

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read a book that's not about the damn Skywalkers. That
is why I said f and finally now, And y'all, I.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Have not introduced him to other books that don't start
Star Skywalkers.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
And that's the other thing. I know that there's other
books that star other characters. Now here's the difference. The
difference for now, what I see is every other Star
Wars book that features somebody who isn't a Skywalker directly

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or indirectly connects to a Skywalker.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
And I still find that it, Like, even this book
is one point five years before the Rise or before
Force awakens, there may be a tiny like connection to
a Skywalker. But I see this in the same light

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as I see the short story romance story of it
was in a certain point of view Return of the
Jedi in Java's Palace. Yep. It was one of the
longest stories in that book. And we gushed over it.

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We saw we thought like, this should be its own book.
This is amazing, like the the the love story between them,
and like, oh, well, my father was a slave to this,
and so I took over this and da da da,
and like, oh, I don't care if you're a slave,
let's run the way together. Like it was all gushing
and super like just it was great. It was great.

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I loved it. I see this, I see this cover
of this book, and I get those vibes. That's what
I want more of it is oh, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
And there is other books in Star Wars that revolve
around romance. Crash of Fate, Lost Stars, we will all
make an effort to get Yes.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I saw, I saw a video from Star Wars explained
uh that was also reiterating the fact that there is
other romance novels. We read one this year, Temptation Convergence.
Temptation of the Force was another one. There are romance novels.
I think this one specifically though, when you look at Convergence,

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when you look at Temptation of the Force.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
There science fiction with a hint of romance.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yes, it is not the main genre with science fiction, yes,
and I think that is the big.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
It's basically it's both genres. It's going to be even keeled.
The thing that I need to go ahead and get
out of the way is the idiots on the internet
who is like, oh, we definitely see Star Wars is
catering now to a solely female audience.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
That's so stupid.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
And in particular, there was one who comes from a
very reputable site that we have cited on here before
as a source for O gosh, like, it's ridiculous how
much fanboys are like, well, this doesn't cater to me,
and I saw it several places. But guess what, you

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don't have to read it. And Tom the editor for
random one of the editors for Random House World, set
it best Star Wars books would not be here without
women up.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yes, Like when you when you look at my entire
Star Wars section, a majority of those books are written
by women.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yep. And just because it's a Star Wars romance, but
most of the commons I saw were towards the romance book,
Like the author has already gotten death threats, y'all, Like Christ,
chill out because this is ridiculous. There's no reason to
treat an author, Okay, So.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
My question is to everybody out there, do you threaten
other romance authors just for the fact that they write romance?
Because that's essentially what you were doing with this. So

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did you give the creators of Young Jedi Adventures death
threats because they made Star Wars for kids? Like, it
doesn't make any sense. What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (14:19):
It's so stupid And it goes back to what Tom
has said that they had had problems recruiting people to
write Star Wars. And I can't remember who the publisher
is for Eyes Like Stars. Let me see if my
Internet will cooperate.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
So for Eyes Like Stars, it does say it on
the actual like announcement, like on the video it said
that it's Del Corte.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Press, Dela Courte Press.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Della Corte Press.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, so it looks like that is another print of
Penguin Random House Oka. So it's very much like how
their young adult section is publishing, like they publish the
Crystal Crown, They're gonna publish the Last Order. So it
makes sense if Disney has been like, hey, dude, like

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here's the here's the sole publishing rights for Star Wars books,
like have at it, that Random House would be like, Okay,
we're gonna go write a romance book.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
That's what publishers do is they say what's the trend
right now, and the trend is romance, and Star Wars
is behind getting into it for like a legit romance novel.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
We have said numerous times the best Star Wars is
when they jump into other genres. We've seen some of
the best of like George Man going into horror aspects
with The High Republic. We have enjoyed convergence, sumpation of

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the force getting into that romance style.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
We we love seeing it on screen of like the
Western Star Wars genre, like they can jump into any
genre and they should not be getting death threats because
of it.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
And this imprint of Random House Worlds is the oldest
imprint at Random House Worlds. So like the fact that
we have other people publishing Star Wars and getting the
recognition that an old imprint will bring is phenomenal, and
that's something to be appreciated because that means you were
bringing more people to Star Wars. There's people who look

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at a publisher and go, I'm gonna only get things
from that publisher. They're out there. I don't know why,
but that's what people do.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Like I mean, it's it's the same as for comics.
You know, Oh, I'm only gonna get Marvel, or I'm oh,
I'm only gonna get DC. I'm only gonna get Image
like I because a couple months back, I when I
was really in the thick of getting into just reading novels,
I was looking for, Hey, how many publishers are there.

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I was trying to see which publisher I would gravitate towards,
just like I try to do with comics. I couldn't
do it because there was such an overwhelming amount of
publishers out there in the world right now. Yep.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
It's it's so beneficial to have a diverse media core,
and we saw that with the High Republic. So bringing
this into this makes sense. And so I'm so happy
that Lucasfilm has kind of gone. I don't know if
they've gone to Penguin Random House and gone like, look,
we're closing down certain elements of publishing. We'd like to

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hand you guys our worst book contract, like have at
it go wild or if Lucasfilm is like saying like, hey,
we want this publisher to publish this, like.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I would like to. I would like to be a
fly on that wall when they made that decision. Yeah,
just to see if we can expect some of this
in the future from other publishers, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, I'm so happy that it's coming, Like this is
super exciting for me, Like it helps with the episode
planning for next year because now I know, Okay, hey,
we need to read Lost Stars because you need your
first exposure to a true Star Wars romancelf like Lost
Stars is phenomenal. So I'm really excited for us to

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dive into that next year. But the other book that
was announced because we kind of skimmed past it, but
Star Wars Legacy, I'm super excited for this book. Like
I think Black Widow taught me a big lesson about Hey,
just because you know how a character ins their story
doesn't mean that you can't have fun with it along

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the way and fill in the same details. And I
do think, because one of the biggest questions from the
Rise of Skywalker was, like Ray and Lea interacted for
five minutes, how did they become a relationship so much
so that Ray goes Lea was my master, I'm going

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to take on the family name of Skywalker. Yeah, Like,
I think that's a big question, and so I'm so
glad that this gets to be answered in such a
way and to also truly focus on repairing the Skywalker Lightsaber,
Like I know everybody wants Ray to have her own lightsaber,
and I do think this is a sign that we

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are going to see Ray and the sequel trilogy people
coming forth in other novels, other forms of media, and
we're going to get that yellow lightsaber, but that Skywalker
lightsaber hill is a very big part of it, of
the Skywalker saga legacy, and so I'm so excited to
see that repair take place, get more into the ancient

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Jedi text that Rey has. I think this is going
to be super special. The summary is out, guys for
both of these books, Like I said, go check out
Star Wars news Net or the publishing like they're already
up on Amazon and stuff. So yeah, but I'm super excited.
What do you feel about this book?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I am super excited about this book because somebody pointed out,
and I'll actually show it here on screen via my phone,
somebody pointed out that Legacy has the exact same color
scheme as Master and Apprentice. Now, I read or we

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read Master and Apprentice right before or right after we
read Padawan, I can't remember. It was after. I really
enjoyed Master and Apprentice. I thought it was a very
fun read. It brought a new light to the relationship

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between Obi Wan and Qui Gon. And if that book
in any way inspired Legacy, I'm all in one and yeah,
I think it is very important to now that we

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have been for the last ten years in regards to
like comic books as well, been filling in the gaps
between movies, TV shows and all of these other things
that we start touching up on these spaces of the
most recent content that we've absorbed, which is the sequel trilogy.

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The fact that we do get lay again, I am
very excited about that. There was another person that was like,
oh man, to you know, Filony has all of this
at his fingertips and he just throws it to publishing
it's a little bit of a dig I somewhat agree,

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but I love books. We love books, we love reviewing
these books on this show, so it doesn't hurt us.
I can get the sentiment of people preferring TV shows
animation compared to books, but it's neither here or there. Yeah,

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I'm excited for this.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
No, sorry, finish your thought.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well. There was also somebody did bring up the fact
that they thought it was kind of funny that this
book being titled Legacy while there is a ongoing book
for comics right now called The Legacy of Vader, we
get two legacy titles.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Oh, I hadn't heard of that one. I had heard
the oh why are we reusing Star Wars Legacy from
Kid Skywalker comics?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Oh yes, I had seen that one as well. But
I as a positive. People were saying they thought it
was cool that Kyler Rinn is getting a legacy now
Ray is now also getting a legacy book as well.
So yeah, very excited for it.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Sorry, has been just texting me about insurance problems.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Oh no, but the panel did not stop there, The
publishing did not stop there. Those are the only I
think king on.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Sorry. Before we moved to comics. That was the only
novels that is correct. But in case people were curious
as to what Madeline Rue and Ashley post In post
post I think It's posting have published. Madeline Rue is
best known for her blog turn novel Alison Hewitt Is Trapped,

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which is a zombie uh fiction story. But recently, uh,
they have published what If Loki Was Worthy? A Loki
and Valkyrie story.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
That book is great. Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Have gotten I think about the seventy five percent of
the way through. I need to finish it, especially now.
But then she also wrote one my favorite stories from
from a certain point of view, the Breha Orghana story,
which oh yeah, talks about like her and bail At

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like right as he gets back to Alderant and the
death Star coming in Heartbreaker of a story. Let me
tell you one of my favorites from from a certain
point of view, the original one. And then Ashley Postin
is best known for her romance and.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
You know, well, I was gonna say, uh, there was
some people. I don't know if they were just saying
this just to be funny, but did Ashley write a
like uh Railo romance like knockoff?

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yes, that is what I had heard. I don't know
exactly which one. I think it's the Dead Romantics. But
I saw on the line that a lot of people, oh,
another Raylow author like Ea, but she so she I
think she's best known for the Dead Romantics.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
And then obviously she's got I was like Stars Coming,
but then Marvel wise, she actually wrote Hawkeye, Bishop Takes King,
which is another young adults book in the Marvel genre,
and also The Bewitching Hour, which looks like maybe a

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Buffy prequel. I don't know, but a lot of young
adult romance on here, but it looks like there's some
fantasy on here. So yeah, those are some of the books.
If you guys are like, well, I want to know
how they write so I can know if the Star
Wars book is gonna be for me with six months
to go, Like, there's the books that you can go

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check out by those authors. So the next bit from
the panel was the comics right, yes.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Now, we have been wondering when are we gonna get
more High Republic? When are we gonna get more High Republic?
And the uh, the line that I think Michael Siglaine
had said in an interview somewhere was basically that it
was not so far off in the future and that

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was too vague for us, and we're like, what does
that mean? Well, we get the answer right here at
New York Comic Con. They have announced coming from George
Mann himself, set twenty years after Phase two Star Wars,
the High Republic Adventures Pathfinders. Yes, this does not have

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any big like description at all.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
No, it just had a couple of panel shots and
then the covers for the first two issues. This is
a dark Horse publication by the way, guys.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yes there is some character designs as well. Okay, yeah it.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I do know that this series is going to have
Ruper in it with the Shield, so maybe we'll see
how the Shield ye with the shop that Cormack Comet
picks up. So I'm super excited for this. We're gonna

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have to reach back out to dark Horse and be like, please,
for the love of everything.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
No, I'm just kidding, it would be it would be
nice to get those advanced copies again.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I'm definitely gonna be super excited for this one and
look forward to like getting this one.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, super excited for this. In the same vein Asque
Comics we did also get an announcement of a manga.
Uh it is Star Wars Visions uh Sukumo has just
been announced. The new Mango follows a Jedi Order sixty six,

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a Jedi after Order sixty six who accompanies a pair
of Droids to a rumored Droid's paradise. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
I'm super curious about this one if this is going
to be an expansion on the episode in the upcoming
volume of Visions, because it is a Vision's like it's
like Visions Presence basically, and we know that the Stormtrooper
one is actually a Jedi in disguise like trying to

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escape Order sixty six, and.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
The cover of this does have the Jedi wearing a
Stormtrooper helmet.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, so I'm super excited for that one. Did that
one have a release date on it?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
This one does not as far as I know. I
will take a quick glance at the actual article. From
what I see here, everything else well actually, uh July fourteenth,
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Okay, a lot of summer, a lot of Summer edition.
Yeah yeah, Legacy is July twenty eighth, twenty twenty six.
Eyes Like Stars only says Summer twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I totally forgot there was another comic that was announced.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I was wondering if you were just sipping.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Miss no, because I think okay, So let's just go
ahead and say it. Written by Im ed Best and
Mark GOOGANIM interior art is gonna be Kieren McCowen, on
sale February eleven, twenty twenty six, is Star Wars jar

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Jar number one. The official publisher's summary of the comic
is as follows. This all new one shot teams up
two iconic characters, jar Jar Binks from the prequel trilogy
and Kellerin Beck, who has been seen in The Mandalorian
as the Jedi who saved young Broku from the Jedi

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Masacer of Order sixty six, as well as in Marvel's
Jedi Knights number nine. Here there's a small little spoiler
for us. This comic is co written by of course,
I'm at Best and Mark Guggenheim. For those of you
who don't know, I don't know who wouldn't, but of
course Amed Best did voice jar Jar Binks as well

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as play Killerin Beck in the Mandalorian. One thing that
people have said that came from the panel is that
this one shot somehow relates jar Jar Binks and his

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importance to the rebellion. I don't know how much of
that is true. It would be interesting because I'm sure
there has been plenty of people who have wondered what
happened to Jarge are after.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Sith If you read after Math, you would know.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yes, which we which we did? We did read after Math.
So yeah, that was another comic that was announced at
New York Comic Con.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I didn't realize it was a one shot, y'all. When
this panel was dropping, I was actually at my grandma's
house and I had completely forgotten my phone. So I
get back and I have like seventeen text messages from
a variety of people. Go like Katie, look at the book.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh like text me.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
He's like, look at the chat. Look at the chat.
I'm like, oh shit, Like.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Now uh. There are some other conversation pieces news bits.
One in particular Snell shared with us in regards to
oh well you actually shared with us on the Star
Wars allion's chat in regards to Ahsoka. But before we

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do one thing that I did want to share with
you guys, because I saw that it still has a
couple of days to go. Humbo Bundle is currently holding
a sale for sixteen books that has Shadow of the Scyth,

(34:05):
Star Wars Catalyst, a Rogue one novel, The Aftermath Trilogy,
Star Wars, Brotherhood, Bloodline, Star Wars, Last Shot, Star Wars,
Resistance Reborn, Star Wars, Lords of the Sith, Princess and
the Scoundrel FAsMA, Heir to the Jedi Twilight Company, a

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Battlefront Story, Rise of the Red Blade, and the most
recent Mace Wind Do the Glass Abyss all for twenty
five dollars. So you can get sixteen books for as
little as twenty five dollars, with some of those books

(34:54):
being very recent. That is a very good price. So
if you guys do like digital books, I highly recommend
that you guys take this offer. There's some books in
here that I haven't even read, so very very cool.
I'm a very big fan of humble Bundle, so I

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think that if some of y'all can take up that,
then y'all should.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, you might want to get that because we're definitely
reading Resistance Reform next year, so and there's some other
ones in there that you haven't read, so you might
as well just go ahead and.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Get it and I actually don't have some of these physically,
so I wouldn't mind just owning the digital. And I
do have the physical of some of these, but I
would be okay with having them digitally.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
So yeah, for sure. No, and sorry guys. So one
last thing from the panel. I didn't realize that Star
Wars did pick up on the crochet trend and they
have a crochet book, so I might have to pick
this up when this comes out next April. But it
the Mandalorian crochet where you get to make like the

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figurines and stuff. They're called emmigroomy, but that's just because
I crochet, guys. I have a butt ton of yarn,
so that one could be fun. So all right, so
the Ahsoka stuff, remind me what the Ahsoka stuff was?
Let me pull that.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Okay, you shared a post. This was actually yesterday. Bryce
dell at Howard reveals more details about Ahsoka season two
at New York Comic Con. The runtime of the episodes

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will range between forty five to sixty minutes. They She
also said to improve color design and cinematography, a cinematographer
from Rogue one has been brought on board. It is
unclear if this is Greg Frasier or another person involved
in cinematography. Post Production has started and will last one

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full year is the other big point here. As well
as the possible release date being November of twenty twenty six,
it is unclear that there will be a season three.

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You and Travis had a very quick back and forth
on the release date. Katie, why don't you share your
thoughts about the November twenty sixth release date.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I really with the fact that they filmed and they're
looking at a year for they just finished filming, they're
looking at a year for post production. A release date
of November twenty twenty six makes sense within that time. However,
I really don't have that big an issue with post

(38:05):
production being there. I feel like this is Star Wars.
There's going to be a lot of CGI with lightsabers
and special effects touching things up. I don't mind a
post production period that long. My issue boils down in
the fact that it took seven months to film eight

(38:31):
episodes like that is the time frame for twenty four
episode season for cable television. And yes, I realized there's
not as much special effects with cable television. However, it
is still ridiculous when you have such a script as

(38:58):
what's his name has? Oh my gosh, cowboy hat dude,
Why can't I remember his.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Name all of a sudden, Uh, Flony Filony.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Dave Flony. When you have such a script like Dave
Felony has, and he has confirmed that he was the
only writer on the show, when you are the one
writing and you have such scripts as we do. Because
let's not pretend that Dave Filoni writes a perfect script.

(39:27):
He does not by any means necessary. There's no reason
that filming should have taken seven months for eight episodes
in the forty five minute to sixty minute timeframe, which
is what Bryce Alice Howard says, again, not unreasonable time frames. However,
we all know that Star Wars tends to lean closer

(39:48):
to the forty five minute range, and in that forty
five minutes is probably eight minutes of credits.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, there is absolutely.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
No reason it should have taken seven minutes. Excuse me,
my husband got home. I'm gonna mute my mic.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Now. Now, when I saw this, I did, see, of course,
yours and Snell's back and forth, which I will go
ahead and share that real quick. Snell was very confused
as for the November twenty twenty six release, he said,

(40:30):
also for a show that came out three years ago
at this point, just ridiculous. That's gotta hurt viewership as well.
Unless you're unless you were Thrones, as in Game of
Thrones or Stranger Things, you can do you you can't
do those breaks. As as far as like the time

(40:52):
in between, I would.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Definitely dis agree as far as like maybe Game of Thrones,
but that's because Game of had some notoriety before going
into it. Stranger Things, however, I think Stranger Things has
dipped ginormously in terms of a fan base.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
I have not seen anything past season one of Stranger Things,
so I don't really have a debate on that. My
thing is, uh, and we've I think that viewership as
a whole, for television in general, the conversation about and

(41:32):
we as viewers shot ourselves in the foot, I want
to go ahead and say that out loud to the listeners. Here,
we shot ourselves in the foot because there was shows
like The Flash, like Arrow, like The Walking Dead, like
all of these other very famous, very big shows that

(41:54):
we said, man, there's so many filler episodes. There's like
I bet this season would be perfect if it was
about ten episodes we shot.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Ourselves in said episodes. I said about fifteen.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
We shot ourselves in the foot for that one.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
By the way, guys, yeap, And it's like, yes, studios
took that. It will probably lean this way, and then
we'll probably overcourse correct in ten years, because that's when
studios tend to have the time to make change it.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I will say I don't agree with the amount of
production time. Now you could say, well, Clay, they need
the production time to have the quality that they do.
I am not one hundred percent sure on that, because.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I would rather than take more time in production than
overwork their people to get it out by a certain date.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I can agree to an extent. And I know that
sounds crazy, like people are like, Clay, you want people
to overwork their post production crew. No, I don't. I
think that is a very dog shit way to treat people,
and I don't want people to do it. But in
my mind, if you can say, hey, a movie, a

(43:24):
movie like an MCU movie or a DCU movie can
film for six months and then oh, by the way,
it's coming out the very next year, that's less post
production time than some of these TV shows.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Can you name which movie you're talking about? I guess
because to me, I've always known that Marvel has a
year of post production time. Like I think, really for
a year of post production time for any movie.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Why do I feel like, Okay, so when does Brand
New Day come out? It's in July, right, yes, Okay,
it says twenty twenty six July. Okay, that's still filming.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
But that's also Sony. It's not Marvel.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Oh no, no, it doesn't matter. I'm saying movies in general,
not necessarily just superhero movies. But like I'm not saying
just MCU or just DC. I'm saying any movie for
the fact that you can do a filming and post
production in that is gonna be compared to now because

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nothing has Oh I guess like certain aspects. I think
certain aspects of Brand New Day have already completed their production.
So I'm kind of like toning the line a little bit,
but it's still less than a year.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Well, you look at Superman. I feel like Superman was
a well produced movie and like was top to bottom,
very nicely done, probably filmed in about four months. I
would say I can't find a filming timeframe. But it
finished filming July twenty twenty four and came out July
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Okay, Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
So I feel like that's a realistic time frame. Odyssey,
for instance, Christopher Nolan my gold standard of filmmaking, a
year and a half of post production.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Basically has that finished filming.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Let me look, I'm pretty sure it has.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Okay, because like I don't know, I just for TV show.
I think that there is a possibility to still have
good quality with less than a year of post production.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
So I can't agree to a certain extent. So the
Odyssey finished filming in August twenty twenty five, coming out
July twenty twenty six, basically a year, and it filmed
for six months.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Okay, so yeah, in total production is going to be
a year and a half.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, so I can agree to a certain extent. But
I also think when we see a movie, yes, there's
a realistic certain timeframe because a movie tends to make
its money back a little bit more efficiently than a
TV show does. A TV show, I feel like, depends

(46:55):
on a lot of toys and ads and everything, so
you never know how much the show is really going
to make back movies, you kind of have a better
idea of how things are gonna make uh, how how
much they're going to make back and everything. But a
year from movie, which is typically let's say two hours,

(47:17):
you're talking about a T shirt. Let's let's say eight
episodes at forty five minutes a piece. How long is that?
That's four hours?

Speaker 2 (47:28):
How many episodes?

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Forty five episodes? Forty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
For eight episodes, that's six hours, six hours.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
I don't know where I got for Sorry, guys, my
brain's not working. So six hours versus two hours, I
don't really necessarily consider a year's production.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Now, Okay, But you also have to get into the
debate of like, oh, well, you know, people film a
lot more than they need because they also have extended
cuts and things like that. So like, I'm sure the
filming is somewhat around the same. It's just the degree of.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Editing correct and like, the hope is that you go
into a TV show and you know exactly what you're doing,
with maybe a few course corrections here or there. I
think Superman we saw a very good time frame because
James gunn knew exactly what he was filming and he

(48:35):
didn't deviate from the script.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
So I feel like there's James Gunn is not the
standard though in Hollywood right now. So I think I
don't mind the yours production, then I mind the seven
months of filming. Okay, what you can say is wild

(49:05):
considering the example that I just put with production time
and movies and two hours and everything, but especially when
you're known to use the volume.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
That is also something. Now, well, I think that the
volume needed to be used quote unquote needed to be
used because of the amount of the assumed Easter eggs
and cameos and things like that they're gonna be taking

(49:38):
place in this season of Ohsoka.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Yeah right, It's not necessarily a bad thing. But most
of the time I feel like with movies is scheduling,
scheduling filming in live locations, yeah, and figuring out how
to get people there and everything. When you're filming at
one location for seven months and you just have a

(50:01):
sound stage.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, it should be decently you know, quote unquote easy.
I'm not saying it's easy, guys, I'm just saying, like, hey,
in retrospect, it should be easier than filming on site.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah, And like and don't get me wrong, like I
count things like stunt training and everything is like more
pre production and like training for things. Yes, you're going
to continue to do that over the filming period and
making sure you stay in shape and everything, but like
choreography for specific stunts, lightsaber training, all that is pre

(50:37):
production stuff. They're talking like this is production timeframe filming
like it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Going on to other announcements, which I don't think there
is a lot of if at all, I thought that
was it. I think that is well. I do want
to go ahead and relay the news if people have
not heard. Legendary artist Drew Strutson has sadly passed away

(51:14):
at the age of seventy eight after a battle with Alzheimer's.
Of course, if you are not familiar with Strutson's designs
and work, he famously made the posters for Indiana Jones
for Star Wars. I believe he did the work on

(51:36):
the original trilogy as well as the prequel trilogy.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
He and I think he even did a poster for
Force Awagans.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I'll have to see. I haven't seen anybody post it yet,
but one of my all time favorites of his is Hook.
Hook is my all time favorite poster of his, Gone
way too soon. Of course, he did work on Back

(52:06):
to the Future as well, and people have also made
notes that although he is very famous for movie posters,
he has a very extensive amount of Star Wars novel

(52:29):
covers yea, a very large amount. So there's quite a
bit of his work out there for anybody who wants
to go look at all of that. But that is it.

(52:49):
That is it for the news updates and everything else.
Let's go ahead and move towards our main topic, which
of course is the Revenge of the Sith novelization Deluxe edition.
We are gonna be talking about the annotations, of course,

(53:12):
not the entire book, and we're not gonna be talking
about all of the annotations. We're gonna be talking about
four specific subject matters. Katie wrote these down a couple
days ago, those being film production changes that affected the book,

(53:33):
writing style choices, easter egg explanations, and characterization moments in choices,
And of course, because I am me, I have a
fifth one titled validation.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Okay, so what is your validation one?

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Okay? So validation is in chapter eight or sorry, excuse me,
chapter two, Notation eight. I forgot to write the actual
page number. But this is the explanation of the Palpatine

(54:19):
being revealed as sidious and how because he's like, oh, well,
this book actually came out one month before the actual
release of the book or the release of the movie.
Blah blah blah. And he states in the thing basically

(54:41):
saying how like he has like he's not responsible for
anybody who decides to read the book prior to the movie.
And I had made that comment because of the way
that I had interpreted this book and how I was

(55:03):
visualizing it and talking about it, and I was saying, oh, hey,
I'm not cool with this revealing sidious as or revealing
Palpatine as sidious this early on, when you don't see
it as such in the actual movie. And so it

(55:26):
actually says here. This novelization was published in April second,
two thousand and five, a bit more than a month
before the film was released on May nineteenth. Because this
book was published, along with several others before the film's release,
this little passage here may arguably be the first time
in prequel media that Chancellor Palpatine is openly revealed and

(55:49):
confirmed to be Darth sidious unless you made the mistake
of reading a different retelling first. It can't I can't
be held responsible for any such disaster here his errors
in judgment on your part. This is just like me saying, like, hey,
like I felt that this was wrong to reveal this,

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and like in some capacity Matthew was saying the same
thing in a way, So I'm still calling it validation.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I would argue the point that he says in basically
the the the it's not the introduction, it's the it's
the opening crawl basically, which is he says it's not
his most famous passage, like his famous passages are at

(56:41):
the end of the book. But I would argue this
is this is what I always remember, is this opening crawl.
And I like both of these. He's got two annotations here,
but he talks about dramatic irony and how he's basically
set up the book where the reader what's happening, and

(57:03):
so it's like he's doing he's trying to do it
properly where you get happy anticipation because you know what's
gonna happen, and so you're like, oh my gosh, oh
my gosh. But then also dread like, what is actually
gonna happen? How is this gonna happen? But I read
the first annotation to my mom and siblings because I
took this book down with me this weekend to show

(57:24):
it off kind of thing, and they were like, well,
what type of annotations would there be? And I just
love this opening one Star Wars always opens with a
direct address to the audience, as do so many folkales
and fairy tales. I expanded the classic setup of a
long time ago in a galaxy far far away, to
be explicit about why this story is different animal from
the Star Wars medium that has come before it, to

(57:47):
create a different set of expectations, which I would argue
he does very successfully yes this story, and it kind
of going into the writing method and stuff he talks
about how like the freeze frames like help you step
into a character shoes before a big moment, help kind
of set you in the right mindset of Okay, we

(58:09):
are a reader, we don't see what's going on on screen.
And I know you watched Revenge of the Fifth to
kind of tie along into this. I did not, because
I wanted to kind of go into this with just
the annotations and everything.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I had it. I literally had it in the background
as I was writing these notes. I was really looking
at the book the entire time while the movie was
going on. But from time to time I did actually
like look up and like watch it for a few
minutes and then go back to notating.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Uh huh sure.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Now, uh you did mention the introduction. This was a
part of my category of writing style choices. I wrote
down annotation number one and number five, number one being
I wanted to expand the traditional setup of an opening
crawl into something more like a really long establishing shot,

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to sketch bigger contexts around the action that's about to begin,
context ruling everything. It's what creates meaning a punch in
the mouth means one thing in a box earring, but
something else in your mother's kitchen. I really like this
because just like how right before, Because the one that

(59:25):
you were talking about is literally the page right before.
I like how this book does not have your traditional
like in the New High Republic books, they have an
opening crawl. It literally establishes where we are in the universe,

(59:45):
what we're doing, and what we're about to get into.
This is a new telling of that. It still tells you, like,
I really like how he can continues it in uh
the uh was it this one? Yeah? Yeah, it was

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like the whole thing with how Luke uh not Luke,
excuse me. Anakin and obi Wan are like superheroes in
this universe and like the Hollow dramas and all of this,
Like it is more than just an opening crawl. It
is a whole movie within itself, and I really really

(01:00:30):
dig that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I really love that because there's a lot of things
that you can accomplish with an opening crawl to set
the scene. There's also a lot of things that you
can't do, and so creating a novelization, you need to
expand upon it a little bit more to give it
that that an opening crawl makes you feel. The So

(01:00:53):
I basically noted every single brief passage on darken Lights.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Okay, yeah, I really moments.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I really dug those writing style.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
It just I love them so much in this bit
it's it is long annotations, but I think they're worth it.
One of the first things that I did in this
book was on chapter one, obi Wan and Anakin is
in this annotation down here, this really long one where
he says many people have asked, occasionally with some derision,

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why the opening battle and the chancellors rescue take up
roughly a quarter of the book when it only lasts
fifteen minutes or so on screen. The answer is, nobody
told me it only run for fifteen minutes. I was
gackling so hard at this. I was like, Okay, I

(01:01:50):
have to like highlight that like somehow, And the only
option I had at the time was a pin because
this is the three paragraph annotation kind of looks like paragraphs.
It's not really paragraphs, but it's in the second block
of the annotation, and I was like, this is a
really long annotation, and I want to remember that I
cackled at the answers. Nobody told me last for fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
That is just great. And he does specify that the
script that was given to him was one hundred and
twenty nine pages, and Anakin lands on the ship with
Obi Wan on page thirty four, so like, I get it.
And what we have come to learn being the podcast

(01:02:39):
that network that we're in, we learn that hey, scripts
get rewritten on the spot, sometimes all the time, so
that one hundred and twenty nine pages can be extended
to like almost two hundred very quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
So talks about basically he got a script, but then
afterwards he would get like basically stills from the movie.
So it's not to spoil anything particular, like let it leak,
but then it would have like a few lines of
dialogue or hey, he's doing this at this moment, and
that's all he would get afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, like there there was. And I have seen recently,
and I say recently in the past two days, a
lot of people have been really stuck on the annotation
of obi Wan and grievous people have been really sticking
to this because of the small annotation of Hey, this

(01:03:35):
wasn't in the original script, and so people are really
sticking to that, and it almost makes it sound like
obi Wan like ab lib this, but he really didn't be. Yeah,
the the so uncivilized line wasn't ad libbed. It was
just added to the script later and it was a

(01:03:57):
revision that was given to you when he submitted like
one of his drafts or whatever. So I thought that
was pretty neat too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
It's really neat. And he talks about how some points
he has to modify what's happening because he can't really
tell you, hey, this is what's gonna happen on screen,
and he talks about how he goes into storyteller mode
for certain parts because it's just like, hey, I really
can't articulate as well what's gonna happen on screen, but
this is basically me telling you, hey, just wait for

(01:04:29):
the movie. It's gonna be super awesome in the movie.
And like the fact that he didn't manipulate the so
uncivilized to add context or anything is because he just
felt like that line was so much obi Wan Kenobi
and it really I love the annotations where he he
basically has a love letter to obi Wan Kenobi in

(01:04:52):
this how like obi Wan Kenobi is awesome. How he's
just like, yeah, I just loved this moment, like really
like balancing both Anakin and obi Wan and showing you, hey,
obi Wan still feels love. But he makes different choices
than he does, like and I know some of those
are like self explanatory moments, but there's some where you're like, hey,

(01:05:14):
getting this insight into an author's brain is super cool.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
So I really like the Well, the one that you're
specifically talking about was I believe in like chapter four,
I think or I can't remember. It was chapter three
year chapter four where obi Wan like figured something out

(01:05:40):
but not quite really and then like cause and he
made the small notation of like yeah, because obi Wan's awesome.
And then and then you literally turn the page and
the very next annotation talks about Mace Windhu and Mace
He's like Mace Windhu is also a badass. He doesn't
just guess, he already knows. So it's like he like,

(01:06:02):
I really dug getting into Matthew's head with all of
these annotations. Like another one that a lot of people
have started to really pick up on articles and stuff,
and I'm jumping way ahead, but it's one that I
think should stick with people. It's with Palpatine. There was

(01:06:26):
at one point Matthew gave the dialogue to Palpatine to
tell Anakin fight you. I don't want to fight you.
I love you. This is the very first confrontation between
Palpatine and Anakin when Anakin makes the realization, holy crap,
you're the Darth Lord. George Lucas himself told Matthew take

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that out, and the reasoning being, hey, Palpatine is literally
incapable of even remotely understanding what the word love means,
so he can't use that word because even when pretending
it wouldn't even like be real.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have the chapter that it's
page two eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Three to eighty three. Okay, yeah, I really dug this.
I think this is like chapter fourteen or fifteen. Actually,
uh you said to eighty three? Yeah, oh yeah, right
here it was notation fourteen, sorry, which means it was

(01:07:37):
chapter fifteen, chapter fifteen, notation fourteen. I have it on
my notes, So I thought that was really really cool.
There was one previous to that, and if I can
just move my page one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Well you find that. I'm gonna say another one where
the film kind of changed. So obviously there's political scenes
in here that Matthew Stover kept in from the script
because he felt like Padme's point of view and the
politics in this really did matter at the end stage
of things. But I also like this one where Anakin's
going into the temple and there's a comment because the

(01:08:17):
line is the gate Master had seen him on the monitor,
Anakin Skywalker alone, and he says, as far as I
knew he was going to be alone, Like there was
no indication that he had clones with him at any point,
and he says that the only reason he points this
out is because he loved the five hundred First. He
loves the mission that they stand for, and that when

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he was getting to tour for this book, Delray actually
got the five hundred First Club to help escort him
out to his book signing and talking events. And I
just think that's super cool.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Yeah. I thought I did notate that one as well.
I thought that was really really cool. I like the
two annotations on page two seventy three. This is also
chapter fifteen. I'll talk about the first one first. It

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is an easter egg.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Because this is what I needed to talk about too.
I'm on two seventy one. He says, my ex wife,
a lifelong question has forgiven me for many things, but
she still sends to me for making her care about boga. Okay, continue, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
I laughed at that one. Uh. Notation number five on
chapter fifteen to seventy three is the page number This
easter egg, of course, not from Star Wars novel. It's
from the movie A New Hope. It's supposed to flip
the easter egg discovery from Hey, I got that one
to oh crap, I got that one. Yeah, I really
dug this one. It one of those that you like, again,

(01:10:02):
have to really think about it, says uh. It's it's
a point of like in the perspective of Obi Wan Kenobi,
and when he kills Grievous, he is like, oh wow,
I might die in this situation. And he always thought, well, well,

(01:10:26):
if I'm gonna die, I always thought Anakin was gonna
be there with me. And then you're like, oh wait,
but he is. So I thought that one was a
really nice like. Matthew has a lot of these, like
you had said in the beginning of this review, like
dramatic irony, and he's a really funny guy, so he

(01:10:49):
he You could really hear his voice in these annotations,
which I really like. But this one, as somebody who
studied a little bit of film in some college courses
of mind, I really like annotation number six. Annotation number
six is from when Anakin is in Palpatine's office and

(01:11:15):
he's looking at some random sculpture and it says, here
the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic sat at the small
desk in his private office, staring just strictly at an
abstract twist of geranium that Anakin had always assumed was

(01:11:39):
supposed to be some kind of sculpture, and merely sighed
as though he had matters of much greater importance on
his mind. The notation says this line is what is
known in showbiz as Chekhov's gun, which is not a
star Trek reference. Anton Chekhov, the great Russian author and

(01:12:02):
play right famously advised that if a gun is introduced
in the first act, it must be fired by the
end of the play. I really like this. I like
how there is a lot of these like, hey, remember this,
like make sure you're paying attention to this. Matthew has
been doing a lot of this in this book, and
I really really dug it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Yeah, because like in that statue comes back to play
because he uses that to kind of his lightsaber's basically
been hidden in that statue for twenty years. Yeah, like
super cool. I love that chapter, by the way, it's
like really awesome. But going back to the Easter egg conversation,

(01:12:43):
I love like one of his Easter eggs is Red five.
Apparently Obi Wan Kenobi was only referenced in the script
as Red Leader, So matt at Fustover just decided, hey,
I'm gonna give Anakin red five because that's Luke Skywalker's
calls line in a New Hope. So I really dug
that because I didn't even catch that on the first

(01:13:04):
read through, like when we were reviewing it and stuff.
But then the other thing that I really love that
Stover does is when he's utilizing stuff from Star Wars
Legends books, he gives credit to those on the page.
That's what That was my second notation where I wrote
in the book because I was like, I really need

(01:13:25):
to remember this, and I didn't have any post its.
I was like, I just loved that because there's so
much special about Star Wars Legends, and a lot of
times people can go, oh, but like Timothy's on with
Air to the Empire, Oh but Matthew Stover with Revenge
of the Sith, people forget that. Yes, Timothyson started it,

(01:13:47):
but Timothyson also continued with other pieces from other novels,
and Matthew Stover didn't write this book until there was
twenty years or ten years of Star Wars Legends.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
So yeah, so one of my notations h and I
actually started to do this with all of them. There
was one in chapter one, but I just stopped on
the one on chapter two, it's notation five. The Patawan
material is lifted from Sean Stewart's excellent Clone Wars novel
Yoda Dark Rendezvous. His rendering of Douku as a teenager

(01:14:24):
sociopath was tremendously influential on how I wrote the adult
Duku in this book.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Yep, that's the one I wrote on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
So I started. I literally notated every single book that
he mentions in this book as a reminder, Hey, you
should probably pick these books up to better expand the
knowledge of this book. And I think that is just

(01:14:54):
really really cool. And he does explain like, hey, this
may be like extended universe material, and technically this is
extended universe, it's not canon, but at the time you're
placing this inside of a canon novelization, so you can
almost say like, hey, this is somewhat canon, which extends

(01:15:17):
to hey, I am now bringing those books into canon,
which I do really really like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
For sure. I love how the annotations about Palpatine make
it very explicit in the manipulation tactics, like a lot
of people go, hey, but how could Anakin really fall
for this other than his love for Padme Palpatine is

(01:15:47):
an excellent liar, as all politicians are cough cough, And
I love how Matthew Stover calls some of the lines
out from the political campaigns when he was writing this,
but then also just hey, recognize anything, so again irony

(01:16:07):
as a highlight. But I love how he's like, hey,
ever wondered how somebody could tell you most of the
truth but also lie at the same time, because this
is what it is right here, and digging into like
Palpatine as a viewpoint and kind of going, hey, chapter
seventeen is really and truly his only viewpoint, because Palpatine

(01:16:31):
is a mythical being basically, and so in order to
do that, he chose to break him in very specific
ways where you don't actually know what's going on in
Palpatine's head. And chapter seventeen is the part where the
Jedi come in and try to arrest him, and Stover

(01:16:51):
wanted you to know, Hey, but this is how Palpatine
manipulates the Senate, manipulates the public by starting and recording
how he gets a lightsaber, because I've always wondered that,
and so getting to reread that chapter, I think my
mom took that out the first time was awesome seeing
his lightsaber come out of the statue. So I really

(01:17:12):
love that. I also loved the dive in with the
Sun Dragon Crisis.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Yes that it was. I literally I notated that, and
then I stopped what I was doing, yep with all
the way, because he does say I think it's in
the very first mention of the Sun Dragon is in
chapter one, and he does say like, hey, by the way,

(01:17:38):
if you want to know about the Sun Dragon Crisis,
you can go to this page here. And so I
literally stopped what I was doing and I went all
the way to the back of the book to read
the Sun Dragon Crisis. Guys, if they were to have

(01:17:59):
a like mini novella of this story here, I would
be the first one in line to read this story.
One thing that like really stuck out to me was
Matthew had said on uh, I think it was this
or maybe another notation was uh. When he got back

(01:18:23):
some notes, they were like, hey, you need to change this,
and it was like so many like weeks or like
like really close to deadline, and he's like, you mother efforts,
are you freaking kidding me? Like and just yelling down
this throat, this dude's throat, saying how unrealistic it is

(01:18:46):
to change it and make something up in the time
that he needs to have this all finished. And the
dude was just like completely calm, and it was like,
you can figure it out, you can do it. I
trust you. Blah blah blah. I love this inside story
of the Subgriten crisis.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
And he says he had he told the the representative,
mister Roffman. He was like, you expect me to what
get struck by lightning in the middle of the night,
so I wake up with some magic idea out of
nowhere to fix everything. You think crap happens like that
in real life. And then he said he went out drinking,

(01:19:26):
which I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
He's just honest, and he's like, I didn't know what
I was gonna do, like on principles.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
That was the other thing. I laughed at this. And
he said at nine thirty the following morning, he had
compiled everything he needed for the revisions and said, Hi,
sorry about blowing up last night. Anyway, do you remember
me shouting on the call about shit that never actually
happens in real life?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Well, you know, funny thing, funny story. I love this
because it's just it's it's great how things end up
working out, you know, And I really do like how
like in the beginning of this he was like the dragon,

(01:20:13):
mister Lucas hated it, fucking hated it. Not this one
in the book, because if it wasn't if it's in
the book, he absolutely loved it, but he hated the
original version of it. And he goes on to this story,
I like an idiot. There's like the the about the

(01:20:36):
author at the very end is literally one sentence. Matthew
Stover believes that everything worth knowing about his life can
be found in his book. Like it's just like boom, like, hey,
this is who I am, this is what I'm doing.
There's there's there's nothing to hide here type of thing,
and especially in a deluxe edition where he's literally laying

(01:20:57):
everything out for us, I love it. I think that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Yeah, and I love that because, like, while everybody loves
a good metaphor, and that's what he was using a
sun dragon for was to showcase how Anakin's rage was growing.
And basically, George Lucas felt like the sun Dragon made
it feel like Anakin wasn't making his own choices. So
then he turned around and the lightning bolt that struck

(01:21:21):
him in the middle of the night was the emphasis
on why Anakin was tagged to the hero with no fear,
and how he changed it was by going the dramatic
irony route. And I think if there had been metaphors
in this, I don't think it would have hit us hard.
The dramatic irony is what makes this book.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Yeah, point and and like, honestly he does mention like, hey,
I put the dramatic irony throughout the book. It's not
just in one spot for you to hopefully get. It's
literally there every turn. So that way, by the end
you're like, uh, okay, and I did it. I really

(01:22:02):
really love it. I'm trying to think if there was
something else in my notes here. I do have one
notation chapter ten, Notation eight. Do you have anything that
you want to add?

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
I think that was it, like I noted the twenty
two places. But also, guys, I'm not going to read
you every annotation word for word, like I've talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
You said annotation yes, number eight. This excuse me. The
category was film production changes. This one was I'm trying
to remember which.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
The scene with Yoda where he.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Yes Anakin and Yo to talking about like the like
in the movie we see them discussing like the vague
thoughts of him losing a loved one type thing. Yeapuh.
And it was not in the original script, but it

(01:23:18):
was something that came in later, so you know, just
he he outlines everything and I dig like getting a
little bit on the inside. And I don't know if
there's any more novelizations that go this hard as far

(01:23:41):
as like getting a deluxe edition with annotations and everything
else like that, but like I might want more, like
I like just to get on the inside of like
what lucasfilm is like today.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
You know, yeah, I have not so I've read The
Force Awakens, Last Jedda, and Rise of Skywalker. I have
not read any of the other novelizations, so I don't
know what to tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
However, I just do what to bring out my twentieth
anniversary edition of Air to the Empire, because this is
the only other one that has authored notations.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
In it, and you can actually see here, like the
annotations are on the side instead of at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
That's what I was expecting here, I.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Was too, so but this one, so this where's one. Well,
you're not gonna be able to see it anyways, but
this one actually has like initials on the end of
an annotation to indicate if it's the author or the
editor chiming in. And this one Zoon basically went through

(01:25:01):
the same editing process that Stover did. His script was
very tightly controlled. George Lucas had final approval on things,
so very very similar, very cool, and they probably chose

(01:25:22):
not to do it this way because there are some
let me go back, hang on, like this annotation. You
can see it's the same annotation on both pages. And
this one, this one actually has like continued at the top,

(01:25:44):
so form at it well, like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
And that was there's one from my knowledge. I don't
know how many there are in this book, but I
know I remember one specifically. There was an annotation that
was so long that it actually went onto the other page.
And so it's like that can be a little confusing
to maybe some people. So yeah, maybe whoever does the

(01:26:10):
next one, try to keep it short next time.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Yeah, and just for comparison, like this is the hard case.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Ah okay, yea, yeah, So it's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
The original cover like just imprinted on there and there's
no artwork or anything, but it's still one if one
of those treasure books.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
So awesome. But yeah, well that is it for our review. Remember, guys,
there is over one hundred annotations throughout this entire book.
We only covered a few of them from what I
saw in what I had gathered. One, two, three, four, five,

(01:26:56):
six different notations mentioned other books that he referenced. So
I'm gonna go look for those books and put them
on a list of books to eventually grab. But yeah,
tons of stuff, Matthew. If I ever get the chance
to meet you, I'm sure it'll be a very fun conversation.

(01:27:17):
You sound like a very fun individual to sit down with,
and hopefully that could be something that happens in the
near future, because I would love to get this thing signed.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Yeah, same here. I know he was at New York
Comic Con doing several signings, but I will definitely be
checking out where he will be in the future. Obviously,
I have my Heir to the Empire edition signed from
whence On was still doing that at one of his bookstores,

(01:27:51):
and so you could actually order the annotation, but now
you actually have to pay for the not the annotation,
the signature. Yeah, signature, so yeah, but it obviously authors.
I mean, Timothy's on is seventy five, I think, so
gotta give the do to break.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Yeah, and I mean and he also signed like all
of my books over at Chicago, so he was a
really cool dude. But yeah, that is it for our show.
Of course, I already mentioned Star Wars Alliance over on
Blue Sky and Threads and Instagram, but you can always
find me at Fanboy Clay over on all of these

(01:28:36):
social medias that we previously mentioned. Go check out Ranger Alliance.
Jake and I have been going over the most recent
Super Sinti series, Go Jusier, very fun series. There is
some theories that we have been talking about how the
series is going to end. We've made or we've talked

(01:28:59):
about Room of the twenty twenty sixth series as well,
So all fun stuff. So, Katie, where can the lovely
listeners find and follow you? Y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
You can find me on most social media platforms is
at place, So Katie, I am trying to be on
social media more frequently. My most used platform is Instagram
and probably Threads. I've been a little more active on threads,
so that's probably where you guys can find me if
you guys are looking for me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
So, hey, they just they just introduced group chat on threads.
So maybe we can convince. Maybe we can convince the
rest of the GUA to jump ship and we can
finally be on threads.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Maybe maybe we'll see. We'll have to see. So guys,
with that, I want to wish everyone a great day
or night, whatever whatever time of day you are listening
or watching, and we will see you next time. May
the Force be with you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Fifteen. I'll talk about the first one first. It is
an easter egg.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Because this is when I needed to talk about too.
I'm on two seventy one. He says. My ex wife,
a lifelong questioned has forgiven me for many things, but
she still sends to me for making her care about boga. Okay, continue, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
I laughed at that one. Notation number five on chapter
fifteen to seventy three is the page number this easter egg.
Of course, not from Star Wars novel. It's from the
movie A New Hope. It's supposed to flip the Easter
egg discovery from hey I got that one to oh crap,
I got that one. Yeah, I really dug this one.

(01:30:44):
It's one of those that you like, again, have to
really think about uh it says uh. It's it's a
point of like in the perspective of Obi Wan Kenobi,
and when he uh kills Grievous, he is like, oh wow,

(01:31:05):
I might die in this situation. And he always thought, well, well,
if I'm gonna die, I always thought Anakin was gonna
be there with me. And then you're like, oh wait,
but he is. So I thought that one was a
really nice like Matthew has a lot of these, like

(01:31:26):
you had said in the beginning of this review, like
dramatic irony, and he's a really funny guy. So he
you could really hear his voice in these annotations, which
I really like. But this one, as somebody who studied
a little bit of film in some college courses of mine,
I really like Annotation number six. Annotation number six is

(01:31:50):
from when Anakin is in Palpatine's office and he's looking
at some random sculpture and it says, here the Supreme

(01:32:11):
Chancellor of the Republic sat at the small desk in
his private office, staring just strictly at an abstract twist
of geranium that Anakin had always assumed was supposed to
be some kind of sculpture and merely sighed as though
he had matters of much greater importance on his mind.

(01:32:33):
The notation says this line is what is known in
showbiz as Chekhov's gun, which is not a star Trek reference.
Anton Chekhov, the great Russian author and playwright, famously advised
that if a gun is introduced in the first act,
it must be fired by the end of the play.

(01:32:53):
I really like this. I like how there is a
lot of these like, hey, remember this, like make sure
you're paying attention to this. Matthew has been doing a
lot of this in this book, and I really really
dug it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Yeah, because like and that statue comes back to play
because he uses that to kind of his Lightsaber's basically
been hidden in that statue for twenty years. Yeah, like
super cool. I love that chapter, by the way, it's
like really awesome. But going back to the Easter egg conversation,

(01:33:27):
I love like one of his Easter eggs is Red five.
Apparently Obi Wan Kenobi was only referenced in the script
as Red leader, So matt at few Stover just decided, Hey,
I'm gonna give Anakin Red five because that's Luke Skywalker's
calls line in a New Hope. So I really dug
that because I didn't even catch that on the first

(01:33:48):
read through, like when we were reviewing it and stuff.
But then the other thing that I really love that
Stover does is when he's utilizing stuff from Star Wars
Legends books, he gives credit to those on the page.
That's what. That was my second notation where I wrote
in the book because I was like, I really need

(01:34:10):
to remember this, and I didn't have any post its.
I was like, I just love that because there's so
much special about Star Wars Legends, and a lot of
times people can go, oh, but like Timothy's on with
Air to the Empire, Oh but Matthew Stover with Revenge
of This if people forget that, Yes, Timothyson started it,

(01:34:31):
but Timothyson also continued with other pieces from other novels,
and Matthew Stover didn't write this book until there was
twenty years or ten years of Star Wars Legends.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
So yeah, so one of my notations, uh, and I
actually started to do this with all of them. There
was one in chapter one, but I just stopped on
the one on chapter two. It's notation five. The Padawan
material is lifted from Sean stewart excellent Clone Wars novel
Yoda Dark Rendezvous. His rendering of Douku as a teenager

(01:35:08):
sociopath was tremendously influential on how I wrote the adult
Duku in this book.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
Yep, that's the one I wrote on.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
So I started. I literally notated every single book that
he mentions in this book as a reminder, Hey, you
should probably pick these books up to better expand the
knowledge of this book. And I think that is just

(01:35:38):
really really cool. And he does explain like, hey, this
may be like extended universe material, and technically this is
extended universe, it's not canon, but at the time you're
placing this inside of a canon novelization, so you can
almost say like, hey, this is somewhat which extends to hey,

(01:36:02):
I am now bringing those books into canon, which I
do really really like.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
For sure. I love how the annotations about Palpatine make
it very explicit in the manipulation tactics, like a lot
of people go, hey, but how could Anakin really fall
for this other than his love for Padme. Palpatine is

(01:36:31):
an excellent liar, as all politicians are cough, cough. And
I love how Matthew Stover calls some of the lines
out from the political campaigns when he was writing this,
but then also just hey.

Speaker 6 (01:36:45):
Recognize anything, so again irony as a highlight. But I
love how.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
He's like, hey, ever wondered how somebody could tell you
most of the truth but also lie at the same time,
because this is what it is right here, and digging
into like Palpatine as a viewpoint and kind of going, hey,
chapter seventeen is really and truly his only viewpoint, because
Palpatine is a mythical being basically, and so in order

(01:37:19):
to do that, he chose to break him in very
specific ways where you don't actually know what's going on
in Palpatine's head. And chapter seventeen is the part where
the Jedi come in and try to arrest him, and
Stover wanted you to know, Hey, but this is how
Palpatine manipulates the Senate, manipulates the public by starting and

(01:37:42):
recording how he gets a lightsaber, because I've always wondered that,
and so getting to reread that chapter, I think my
mom took that out the first time was awesome. Seeing
his lightsaber come out of the statue so I really
love that. I also loved the dive in with the
sun dry in crisis.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Yes, that it was. I literally I notated that, and
then I stopped what I was doing, yeap with all
the way, because he does say I think it's in
the very first mention of the Sun Dragon is in
chapter one, and he does say like, hey, by the way,

(01:38:22):
if you want to know about the Sun Dragon Crisis,
you can go to this page here. And so I
literally stopped what I was doing and I went all
the way to the back of the book to read
the Sun Dragon Crisis. Guys, if they were to have

(01:38:43):
a like mini novella of this story here, I would
be the first one in line to read this story.
One thing that like really stuck out to me was
Matthew had said on I think it was this, or
maybe another notation was when he got back some notes,

(01:39:09):
they were like, hey, you need to change this, and
it was like so many like weeks or like like
really close to deadline, and he's like, you mother efforts,
are you freaking kidding me, like and just yelling down
this throat, this dude's throat, saying how unrealistic it is

(01:39:30):
to change it and make something up in the time
that he needs to have this all finished. And the
dude was just like completely calm, and it was like,
you can figure it out, you can do it. I
trust you, blah blah blah. I love this inside story
of the Subgriden crisis.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
And he says he had he told the the representative,
mister Roffman. He was like, you expect me to what
get struck by lightning in the middle of the night,
so I wake up with some magic idea out of
nowhere to fix everything. You think crap happens like that
in real life. And then he said he went out

(01:40:09):
and drinking, which.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
He's just honest, and he's like, I didn't know what
I was gonna do, like on principles.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
That was the other thing. I laughed at this, And
he said at nine thirty the following morning, he had
compiled everything he needed for the revisions and said, Hi,
sorry about blowing up last night. Anyway, do you remember
me shouting on the call about shit that never actually
happens in real life? Well, you know, funny.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Thing, funny story. I love this because it's just it's
it's great how things end up working out, you know.
And I really do like how like in the beginning
of this he was like the dragon mister Lucas hated it,

(01:41:00):
fucking hated it. Not this one in the book, because
if it wasn't if it's in the book, he absolutely
loved it, but he hated the original version of it.
And he goes on to this story like, I like idiot.
There's like the the about the author at the very
end is literally one sentence. Matthew Stover believes that everything
worth knowing about his life can be found in his book.

(01:41:22):
Like it's just like boom, like, hey, this is who
I am, this is what I'm doing. There's there's there's
nothing to hide here type of thing. Yeah, and especially
in a deluxe edition where he's literally laying everything out
for us, I love it. I think that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Yeah, and I love it because, like, while everybody loves
a good metaphor, and that's what he was using a
sun dragon for was to showcase how Anakin's reade was growing.
And basically, George Lucas felt like the sun Dragon made
it feel like Anakin wasn't making his own choices. So
then he turned around and the lightning bolt that struck

(01:41:59):
him in the middle of the night. Was the emphasis
on why Anakin was tagged to the hero with no
fear and how he changed it was by going the
dramatic irony route. And I think if there had been
metaphors in this, I don't think it would have hit
us hard. The dramatic irony is what makes this book.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Yeah, point and like, honestly he does mention like, hey,
I put the dramatic irony throughout the book. It's not
just in one spot for you to hopefully get. It's
literally there every turn, so that way, by the end
you're like, uh okay, y and I dig it. I

(01:42:40):
really really love it. I'm trying to think if there
was something else in my notes here. I do have
one notation chapter ten, Notation eight. Do you have anything
that you want to add?

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
I think that was it, like I noted the twenty
two places. But also, guys, I'm not gonna read you
every annotation word for word, like I've talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
You said an annotation, yes, number eight, this excuse me.
The category was film production changes. This one was I'm
trying to remember which.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
The scene with Yoda where.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
He yes, Anakin and Yona talking about like the like
in the movie, we see them discussing like the vague
thoughts of him losing a loved one type of thing. Yep,
And it was not in the original script, but it

(01:43:56):
was something that came in later, so you know, just
he outlines everything and I dig like getting a little
bit on the inside. And I don't know if there's
any more novelizations that go this hard as far as

(01:44:19):
like getting a deluxe edition with annotations and everything else
like that, but like I might want more, like I
like just to get on the inside of like what
lucasfilm is like today.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
You know, yeah, I have not so I've read The
Force Awakens, lash Jeda and Rise of Skywalker. I have
not read any of the other novelizations, so I don't
know what to tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:44:47):
However, I just do what to bring out my twentieth
anniversary edition.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
Of Air to the Empire, because this is the only
other one that has authored notations in it, and you
can actually see here, like the annotations are on the
side instead of at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
That's what I was expecting here.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
I was too so but this one, so this where's
one Well you're not gonna be able to see it anyways,
but this one actually has like initials on the end
of an annotation to indicate if it's the author or
the editor chiming in. And this one, like Zoon, basically

(01:45:39):
went through the same editing process that Stover did. His
script was very tightly controlled. George Lucas had final approval
on things, so very very similar, very cool, and they

(01:45:59):
probably chose not to do it this way because there
are some let me go back, hang on, like this annotation.
You can see it's the same annotation on both pages.
And this one, uh, this one actually has like continued

(01:46:21):
at the top, so form at.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
It well, like and that was there's one from my knowledge.
I don't know how many there are in this book,
but I know I remember one specifically. There was an
annotation that was so long that it actually went onto
the other page. And so it's like that can be
a little confusing to maybe some people. So yeah, maybe

(01:46:47):
whoever does the next one, try to keep it short
next time.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Yeah, and just for comparison, like this is the hard case.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
Ah okay yea.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Yeah, So it's the original cover like just imprinted on
there and there's no artwork or anything, but it's still
one if one of those treasured books.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
So but yeah, well that is it for our review. Remember, guys,
there is over one hundred annotations throughout this entire book.
We only covered a few of them from what I
saw in what I had gathered, one, two, three, four, five,

(01:47:34):
six different notations mentioned other books that he referenced. So
I'm gonna go look for those books and put them
on a list of books to eventually grab. But yeah,
tons of stuff, Matthew. If I ever get the chance
to meet you, I'm sure it'll be a very fun conversation.

(01:47:55):
You sound like a very fun individual to sit down with,
and hopefully that could be something that happens in the
near future, because I would love to get this thing signed.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Yeah, same here. I know he was at New York
Comic Con doing several signings, but I will definitely be
checking out where he will be in the future. Obviously,
I have my Heir to the Empire edition signed from
whence On was still doing that at one of his bookstores,

(01:48:28):
and so you could actually order the annotation, but now
you actually have to pay for the not the annotation,
the signature.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Yeah, signature.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
So yeah, but obviously authors, I mean timothys On is
seventy five, I think, so you gotta give the do
to break.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Yeah, I mean, and he also signed like all of
my books over at Chicago, so he was a really
cool dude. But yeah, that is it for our show.
Of course, I already mentioned Star Wars Alliance over on
Blue Sky and threads and Instagram, but you can always
find me at Fanboy play over on all of these

(01:49:14):
social medias that we previously mentioned. Go check out Ranger Alliance.
Jake and I have been going over the most recent
Super Sinti series, Go Jusier. Very fun series. There is
some theories that we have been talking about how the
series is going to end. We've made or we've talked

(01:49:37):
about rumors of the twenty twenty sixth series as well.
So all fun stuff. So Katie, where can the lovely
listeners find and follow you?

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Yeah, you can find me on most social media platforms
at place. So Katie, I am trying to be on
social media more frequently. My most used platform is Instagram
and probably threads. I've been a little more active on threads,
so that's probably where you guys can find me if
you guys are looking for me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
So, hey, they just they just introduced group chat on threads,
so maybe we can convince, maybe we can convince the
rest of the g u A to jump ship and
we can finally be on threads.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
Maybe maybe we'll see. We'll have to see. So guys,
with that, I want to wish everyone a great day
or night, whatever, whatever time of day you are listening
or watching, and we will see you next time. May
the Force be with you.