Star Wars Alliance Charles Soule's Star Wars Darth Vader 1-12 Review CXXXXXI

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Force will be with you always.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance.
Of course, I am your host, Clay and with me
like every single week. Of course. Is Katie, Katie, how
you doing today?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hello? The weather is killing my throat, so Matt measured
it out. I have about four ounces of whiskey in
this hot toddy.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh lovely. That sounds amazing. It's about the.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Only thing that helps, because it's just a sore throat
that just won't leave. And it's like you could do
like those throat numbing sprays, or you could do alcohol,
you know, with the project I'm working on at work,
we do.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Alcohol, honestly, sometimes depending if you already have the alcohol
versus going to go get the medication. Correct, it's sometimes
cheaper correct, and I do I have.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I'm a whiskey person.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
So well, guys, today, Katie and I were literally just
talking about the news quote unquote that we have this week,
and it's not much of anything. There's just a whole
bunch of quotes, some misquotes apparently, And of course our

(01:46):
main topic of the evening is Charles Soul's Star Wars
Darth Vader run Issues one through twelve that we're talking
about tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Hey, guys, we're tackling the Darth Vader runs for kind
of two reasons here. One is for a master of Evil.
Adam Christopher has stated that he found one spot in
this run where there's a perfect time period to put
a Darth Vader novel, and that there's a gap missing

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where Darth Vader explores eternal life and like goes to
this planet and finds all these people and whatnot. So
for that, we have to like talk about this because
we've never actually really talked about this comic on the
show before, so we're gonna talk in that regards. But

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also Charles Soul is doing his Legacy of Darth Vader
run with Kylo Rinn. It is a sequel trilogy comic,
and that first trade is coming out in October, so
it's kind of the perfect time because he said that
there would be things popping up in that comic from

(03:05):
both his Rise of Kylo Wren comic, his Star Wars
run as well as his Darth Vader run, So it's
perfect timing basically.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, And I like, I think we both we both
forgot how good this comic is as far as writing, art,
just everything about this. So we will have a lot
to comment on about that. So let's go ahead and
jump into the the news the quotes that we're gonna

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be talking about today. The first one, I feel like
the big one is what is first on our list
here in our Star Wars Alliance chat. I think it's
really funny, Katie, you shared it with our Star Wars
Alliance chat with the comic tb D. Of course, of

(04:02):
course this is to be you know, determined, to be
determined at this point, I really like to say that's
to be debated just because the the quote is, or

(04:24):
the the the tweet that we saw that everybody was
going crazy over because there was alleged footage of Ian
McGregor at I believe.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Okay, So the problem was is there wasn't footage.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
There was a footage. There was just word of mouth,
which is always worse.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Expo and they don't allow cameras, like, they don't allow
cell phones, like you can't tape interviews nothing. So NeXT's
Point News, which I don't know who runs this.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I have no idea who this is.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's another fan site in Nexus. Point News basically was
like Ewan McGregor has confirmed he will return as Obi
Wan Kenobi in Ahsoka season two. He was apparently misquoted.
The Nexus Point News goes, Yeah, no, I'm gonna stick
with what I reported, but it's possible I could have
misheard it. Like Okay, that's.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Like, that's that's why would you double down once you've
been That's just that's that's so bad. So the next
thing that we see here is Ian McGregor is not
confirmed to be returning Intosoka season two. The outlet that
first reported this uh inaccurately quoted Greg McGregor's comments. Now,

(05:49):
I think that if anything, mm hmm, McGregor may have
done one of those uh uh Tom holland slash.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
How would you guys feel about this quote?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. It's it's one of those like,
oh do you want me to be? You know, kind
of egging them on type of thing.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah. And now his wife, Mary Elizabeth Winstead is in
the show as Harrah, So the report, like all of
the context that was added to these tweets is like
he was referring to his wife being in the show,
not him.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I find that convoluted, because how do you get those confused.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, like I it's kind of hard for you to
to to misquote that, but I look, we've talked about it,
sorry so many times. You know. There is of course
also heavy rumors of more flashbacks, more Clone Wars era

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flashbacks yep. And of course it would be a perfect
moment for McGregor to reprise his role as Obi Wan Kenobi.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
And I especially think when we know Force Ghost Anakin
is going to be there, having Obi Wan as kind
of a foil as a Force Ghost could be kind
of cool.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay. So here's here's the thing though, Okay, Okay, so
this is where I kind of get in the shoes
of Snell. Okay, I'm so sorry to do this to everybody.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
But.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I don't know how I feel knowing that we did
not have Ian McGregor Obi Wan Kenobe four Ghost in
Return of the Jedi. We do, however, have Hayden Christian

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obi wan uh Anakin Skywalker. Oh okay, Return of the Jedi.
So that's what I mean. Like, if we were too
in some way get and Obi Wan Kenobi forced Ghosts
and it be Ian McGregor, I would have one of
those like nerdy moments of like, well, technically the little like,

(08:33):
I don't know if I would like it.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
I think it's important to remember, right that George Lucas
has always interpreted the Force Ghost to be the purest
instance of themselves, like how they still pictured themselves. The
other thing that I think has been nice in Cannon
is the ghost has kind of manipulated itself to be

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what the person viewing pictures it of. So in my mind,
because uh, because Ahsoka never saw Obi Wan Kenobi pass
Revenge six, she would never see old obi Wan kenob.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
She okay, I never really thought of it like that.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
So and that's why that's why Lucas went back and
changed the Force Grass of Anakin, because that was like
the most stable portion of Anakin's life.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
But that's not how Luke Skywalker saw Anakin.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
I like, obviously I think it's different.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, yeah, no, but I I but that's the thing, Like,
there would be so many people commenting on that particular choice,
and I think that it would be too convoluted to

(10:06):
make that choice. So I would say, for go with
the Force.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Ghost and just go with flashbacks.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
But go with flashbacks now if you want to say
world between worlds, I don't care put Im McGregor in there,
because we've known that the world between worlds can take
people out of specific parts of the timeline. MM totally
down with that, and I'm totally fine with that. But yeah,

(10:39):
I just think it would be really weird, and I
would hate I would absolutely hate the press tour of
backtracking trying to explain it and all of this other stuff,
because then you just step on cottonnuity and all of

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these other things and you just get into a whole
big mess. So avoid it altogether, fair.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
But I also do think that if you just dyed
you and McGregor's hair white, I think you would come
pretty close.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I genuinely think you could.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
All Right, y'all, we are going to hit our first
ad break and we will be right back in three
two one.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Especially since we've seen Ian McGregor with very short hair
m m like McGinnis. Yeah, so like, I think you could.
I honestly think you could.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
I think you could too, and just manipulate it that way,
because obviously you're not gonna have MacGuinness shilling back up
as a force ghost in this.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
But that was my other thing. I don't want to
see McGinnis ai either, but yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well, and I think McGinnis passed at a point where
it's too like they would have to go to the
family for that, and he's very old school, like Star
Wars was like his rare case. Yeah, right, so I
feel like his family wouldn't agree to that. So I

(12:15):
don't think there's a risk of McInnis ai, especially when
you have you and McGregor so apt to do more
obi wan kenobi things. So yeah, it'll be interesting to
see if LUCASLM was like because I don't know if
McGregor did the Tom Holland thing or if it was
really like a misrepresentation of what he said, because again,

(12:41):
these are fan boy sites. People want to go viral
if they can, so I can fully believe that they
didn't quote properly and we're like, this is our chance, guys.
But I also wouldn't be surprised because LUCASLM has a
precedent going hey, like, we saw this reaction, what do

(13:04):
you think about joining in the fun the cell?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, I agree. So the next thing we have on
our list is something that I'm actually really excited for.
You shared a Star Wars Holocron tweet that says Disney
has made a deal with web Tune Entertainment that will

(13:29):
see existing in original Star Wars comics come to the
platform now, guys. Web tunes is a very very unique
way of reading comics. It actually changed the way that
like generation, they were like us, they.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Were like the first people to do like the smart
panel thing, right.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, and that's what I was gonna bring up bring
along is web Tune's form Matt for reading comics is
not turning a page from left to right, like you're
not reading a book from left to right. You're actually
scrolling from top down. It is like you're scrolling through

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a feed of any type of social media.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
The view that I've read from web tunes, it felt
very like newspaper esque where it was like all in
a line. It was like three panels at a time. Basically.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, it's very simple. And the reason why I love
web tunes so much is because it gave an opportunity
for people who love manga, who love comics, who love
any type of genre. Because even before web tunes was

(14:53):
an official thing, you had people making like fan comics online.
Those existed way before webtoons.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, fan fiction, fan fiction and.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Things like this. Web tunes gave these people a platform.
Of course, you can't use license things unless, of course
it's from the publisher. DC actually has two, maybe even
three webtoons comics on their site already, and I think

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this is the first time Disney is actually going to webtunes,
because there is actually Marvel Unlimited comics called Marvel Infinity,
which took the format of webtuns and they have it
on their Marvel Unlimited app. Okay, so this is the

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first time that they're actually going to webtunes as a
company and saying, hey, we'd like to partner with you
to make these original stories. And this only brings more
people to that website, which is absolutely amazing because there
is a genre for everyone on web tunes. You like

(16:14):
k dramas, there's web tunes for it. You like horror,
there's web tunes for it. You like comedy, there's web
tunes for it. You like actually an adventure, there's web
tunes for it. I love this site because it gives
people who always had the idea of like, oh, I'm
not good enough to go to DC or go to Marvel,

(16:38):
or at least like they didn't know how to get
towards that web tunes help them do that. Yeah, so
I really appreciate web tunes, so I'm really excited for this, and.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
It does look like it's multiple eras of Marvel. It's
so Spider Man Captain America will be going to web
Tunes twentieth century. So these comics will be original comics

(17:17):
for web tunes, so there will be originals developed. But
it also looks like there's going to be like current
comics adapted to the format. So it looks like the
first one for Star Wars will be the Star Wars
run by Jason Aaron, which makes the most sense because
that one is the oldest that Star Wars has currently

(17:39):
in canon, and so it's just getting more eyes on
the format of Star Wars comics.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
So yeah, uh, Katy, you want to take us to
the next one.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yes, So the next piece of news that we have,
we have a lot of interviews, guys. There's a lot
of interviews happening right now. So mannyg just sent out
in another interview for Freaking Friday for BuzzFeed, uh praised
Leslie Headland and says Leslie Headland is the best. She

(18:20):
is my captain. She's a Star Wars, nerd Geek, all
the incredible things. I wish we could run it back
all credit to Leslie Headland.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Y'all.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
We've said it before, We've said it again, Leslie Headland.
If Leslie Headland had been the dude, there would have
been no problems with the AC I think so ill
not in how she chose to adapt things. Let's just
say that, because you could have still seen critiques on

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AMANDLA and oh my gosh, Lee Jong Jay, like, you
could have still seen criticisms there because people are just
going to be people and they're going to be racist
and sexists and stuff. Yeah, but a lot of the
negativity arounding the accolade is purely because fanboys don't know

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how to handle a woman knowing just as much about
their beloved franchise. So we just got to reiterate, Leslie
Headland killed it and if you disagree, sorry you're at
the wrong place.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah. I I like this. I like how they are
holding strong to you know, what they believe and and
their team. No one is out there blaming this person
for this and that for this, Like they are a
unit and I love that so much. And yeah, I

(19:50):
really do hope oh, we'll go ahead.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
And many has been the only one that's really gained
notoriety for his role, and that's unfortunate because a Manlat
and Legion Jay killed it, especially with the material they
were given. You can say like, oh, the writing kind
of struggled in places, but like the show as a
whole rocked, Like yeah, so Nanny gained notoriety for it,

(20:20):
but everybody was the big one. So it may look
like Nanny's the only one saying that he's here, but
the whole crew has backed her up basically, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, they have. And I wonder if, like if season
two and three of Squid Game would have gotten better reception.
I wonder if Lee Young Jay would have gotten a
little bit more coverage on the Accolyte as well well.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
And I think the big thing with Swigging is even
though it got notoriety worldwide, it was still mainly Korean publications,
so a lot of the crew wasn't doing English based interviews.
That's and so Lejion Jay only learned English for this role, Like, yes,
he speaks English, but it was for the Acolyte, so

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he may have chosen not to do interviews with English
outlets because it's a Korean show.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
That's true. That's very true.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, we're gonna go into our second ad break and
we'll be right.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Back next up we have Uh, this was interesting and
I want to know what your feelings are towards this one.
So Star Wars Clone Wars creator Gindy wait, is it?
How do you pronounce his first name?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Okay, I'm just gonna wing it, Gindy, and I can't
even pronounce the last name. I was about to say
it like full confidence.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
With your chest t Cardikovski.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Tartakovski says he's interested in returning to Star Wars to
oversee Assad Ventres's live action debut, saying, if she becomes
live action super cool, and if they asked me to
do it, that would be an interesting conversation.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
So for me and I am still interested in hearing
your opinions on this. I did not like Assage Ventress
as much in his iteration versus what we got in
Clone Wars. Obviously Feloney picked and choose what he wanted
to bring forward in Clone Wars, so obviously you have

(22:42):
to give credit to Tartakovski. Is actually I prefer saying
got it versus first name. You have to give him
credit because he created one of the best characters in
Star Wars. But I like how Filone did her better.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, I I would be totally down for him being involved.
Now does this mean he needs to write the script?
Does this mean he needs to direct? No, I'm saying, hey,
I would like him at the table to have creative

(23:28):
input on how the story goes, but not full control,
Like I think that giving him, Like, because I do
think there would be a small slap in the face
if we just see a Sage Ventures created by Ginnity

(23:57):
or Gindy Tartakovski or at the very at the very
end special things to Yindy Tartakovsky, Like, that would be
a little bit of slap in the face for him.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
I don't even think they did that with Thron. No.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I don't think so either. Like, but but that's what
I mean, Like, I we know, but wait, don't we
know that? Uh? What's his name? Creator of Thron?

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, to Bethison, we know that he had conversations with Filoni, right.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Right, But I think yes, we do know that. But
I think especially the characters of and I'm not saying
this to downgrade Assage at all. But Thron is a legend,
and I definitely and y'all, I'm sorry, but Thron, I

(25:02):
think they're on if. Basically, what I'm trying to say is,
if Thron couldn't get the adaptation that he deserved on screen,
even with Zoon consulting, what makes you think that Fulony

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would even consider any creative input from Tartakovsky.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
No, I I get it, Like I I I get it,
I understand, But like I, I understand, the there is
because of being a legend. Uh literally, he's in that's

(25:53):
that's you can literally call him that versus well, I
guess Assage is a legend also, but Thron has been
in legends far longer when you have when.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
You have an author of such notoriety that he kept
Star Wars alive, and you can't tell me that he
did not keep Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
No, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that, but
I am saying if we want to be fair, and
I understand life isn't fair, never has, never will be.
But if you give one creative the right to at

(26:43):
least bring them to the table to have conversations about
a character that they created, then you should be able
to do it with another creator. That's all I'm saying, right.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
So to be fair, we have to we have to
point this out. Assage Ventures, according to wookie Pedia, was
actually created by John Ostrander for the comic Stars. Uh huh,

(27:26):
Star Jedi mace Wind. I am looking. We're gonna share screens, guys,
because and you're gonna see my tall screen. I apologize,
so I am looking. If I share my screen appropriately,
Oh gosh, that's awful. Hang on, We're gonna fix that

(27:48):
because that can't but that doesn't translate very well. Just
streaming hard. Okay, So we are looking on my horizontal monitor, guys. So, okay,
we have appearances and you can look here Jedi mace

(28:09):
Wind first appearance, and I'm on the Legends tab.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Okay, so it's for reference. So it's star Edgars mace
Wind Do.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yep. So we're gonna scroll back down to appearances and
Jedi mace wind Do first appearance.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Oh okay, okay, and you can.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
See here or you cannot see here because my mouth sucks.
Sorry guys. Yeah, okay, it originally showed it. Apparently he
doesn't want to show it anymore. But yes, so Turtokowsky

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didn't even technically create her. So with that, I don't
even think that they would bring him in for consideration.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Do you know what's really funny about Sorry, I was
gonna say the really funny thing about Ostrander creating Assage.
Ostrander famously wrote the Suicide Squad created the Suicide Squad. Uh. Yeah,

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So he is a very you know, a very notorietable
like writer. I and so when you said that, I
was like, Holy, I did not know that he created
Assage Venturess. I'm gonna have to go searching for that
comic now. I wonder if it's on Unlimited.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
I would imagine it was on Unlimited while he actually
wrote all of the legacy comics. It looks like two
and we're about to jump into our third ad.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Y'all.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
We promised we'll be right back, we promise. Did he
really Star Wars Legacy? Yeah? He wrote Donna the Jedda
and Star Wars Legacy.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Okay, Okay, I'm gonna go searching to see if that
makes Winded comics on the Limited.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Right now, the legacy comics are. The legacy comics are
like the like two hundred years after Luke Skywalker has died.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Comic ah okay, okay, In in.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Case people didn't understand that.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
So the mace Wind comic is a one shot and
it is in Marvel Unlimited. It was a comic that
was released in two thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah. Yeah, So, especially with having a comic person create Assage,
I don't think they'll bring in Tartakovsky because he's type.
He may have given her the notoriety, but he didn't
create her, and that tends to lend more of what

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Folony has looked for. I think.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah. Now that being said, now that I know that
Ostrander created a Sage, I would if I was Folony,
I would go to Ostrander. No, but like say, seriously,

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so Gunn did the same thing with Suicide Squad, and
when he created Suicide Squad, he went to Ostrander so
much so that Ostrander had a cameo in Suicide Squad.
I'm not saying, yeah, so he's the Ostrander is the
like prison doctor that's giving the like placing the bomb

(32:23):
inside Michael Rooker's characters head. That's that's Ostrander. I would
I wouldn't say give Ostrander a cameo in a Star
Wars project because of it. But I would say, like, hey,
like let's say Assage gets like a two episode debut.

(32:45):
Give one episode to Filony, one episode to Ostrangder. As
far as.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Writing, yeah, apparently they actually wanted Ostrander to write an
episode of the Clone Wars, but was not hired because
the producer wanted writers with experience in TV animation.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Oh boooo boo.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
He would have written an episode related to Quinland Boss.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Oh that would have been even better. H Now I'm
just mad. Well no, because like even even if you
look back at the uh the legacy, like the Donna
of the Jedi, I think it was like, no, it
wasn't Donna the Jedi.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
It was.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
He didn't write the novel, but he wrote on the comics.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah right here, I actually had it opened just a
second ago. Uh. He was like a huge character. Yet
in the Star Wars omnibusses Voss was like a huge
part of that story.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Yeah yeah, next we has right, Yes, the final bit
of news.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
This one I think is a little silly. But Alan
Tudic recently did an interview on a podcast called the Playlist,
and he has said a number of things recently, like

(34:37):
I don't know if you saw like the big hubbub
about I Robot about him.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
I actually have not seen I Robot.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Oh my, Katie, Katie, Katie. I'm actually gonna google it
right now to see where you can watch it for free.
But he said recently that in testing the movie I Robot,
like right before it like got released or whatever, he

(35:13):
got more of an audience score than Will Smith. Yeah,
and Will Smith didn't like that very much, and so
Alan Tudick's name got basically erased from publicity. Yeah, and
you didn't see his name until the end credits. It
was nowhere in the marketing nowhere. And he said, like

(35:37):
he's over it now. But he even said like, yeah,
like at the time, I was kind of pissed. But
he confirmed in this conversation also that all of the
heroes were always going to die in the original version
of Rogue One. So if people don't remember, Rogue One

(36:01):
was yet another probably one of the first when it
came to you know, all of these other Star Wars
movies that had people putting their little grubby fingers all
over everything. Ye, this was like kind of like the
first one in this new era of Star Wars. It

(36:21):
didn't look great, it didn't look like it was gonna
get made, and then all of a sudden, hey, we
saved the movie. Everything's fine now, blah blah. So there
was a lot of rewrites and everything else, and he's
just confirming that before the reshoots, everybody was already ORIZI
supposed to die. He said, We're always going to die.

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So it didn't feel like a drastically different movie, but
the changes gave each character their own hero moment.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah. Also, in case anyone was curious, you could find
Eye Robot on Disney Plus or Hulu, whatever your preferred
provider is.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah. I was literally about to say that just now.
But here here's the thing that I have to say
about that. The reason why I think it's silly is
because regardless of if they were gonna live or if

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they were gonna die, like at this moment, like, there
couldn't really be any other option, because again, it's the
you know, the same conversation we have. Oh, well, they're
not in future Star Wars stories, so they must have

(37:41):
all died. So that's that's really how I see it.
Like these characters. Also, you could easily have the argument of, oh,
these characters were not big enough to have a presence
in other large Star Wars movies, so they could have
just been forgotten heroes if they did survive.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
And I wouldn't necessarily say that they're forgotten because like,
reading this Darth Vader comic this week actually reminded me
that I had Marvel Unlimited, so I was going back
and because I had left off in the middle of
the twenty fifteen Star Wars run, so I was like
actually going back into that and reading that. And you

(38:25):
actually have like Jason Aaron like is writes an arc
where they're on Jetta and the main characters are talking
about jen Urso and uh, Luke meets a character and
she's like, yeah, I knew jen Erso. If I hadn't
gotten sick with X y Z, then I would have

(38:47):
been on scaff with them. And Luke goes, you knew
jen Erso, like tell me about her. Like, so I
wouldn't necessarily say that they're like forgotten. I do think
it's a quote unquote meaningful death, like yeah, because like

(39:07):
they basically took that and went with it. Like originally
in Legends it Rogue one was not a thing, so
kind of Rogue Squadron was set up as something that
Luke just did, and then Wedge Antillities and his crew
just kind of ran with it. But then in canon,

(39:27):
Rogue Squadron has taken on more of a meeting and
to the point where that Squadron name gets retired after
the Rebellion becomes the New Republic, because that sacrifice still
meant something and they didn't want it stuck around.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I'm still reading that that the the oh Man.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
What book is it called Courtship of Princess Leah.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
No, not the Courtship. I'm still reading Bloodline that talks
about yeah that at the very beginning they talk about
retiring Squadron Squadron. And I'm still I have sixty two percent.
I'm done with sixty two percent. I still have a
little less than forty percent left. No, but I I

(40:18):
see what you're you're saying. I get that. But what
I meant is not that they're forgotten heroes now. But
what I'm saying is if they would have survived, and
for the fact that there wasn't any mention of them
too much of yes, of course the comic and everything else,
you could have easily explained it away of Oh, well,

(40:41):
you don't see them a whole lot because they kind
of retired after such a you know, important galaxy saving mission.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, I can see that. I see what you're saying now,
and this should be our final ad break. So y'all
thanks for bearing with us. We appreciate y'all. Well back.
I don't mind that everybody dies in Rogue one. It
hurts every single time I watched that movie, and and

(41:10):
Or just made it all the more powerful. But I
do think it makes sense and it gives everybody a
way out and still made the movie emotional without having to,
like you talked about, like explain away why they don't
exist in the original trilogy.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Now, Felony, I don't know how you found this podcast,
but I'm about to say something that just came into
my head, and I hope to God it doesn't happen,
because I've already mentioned it once this episode. I love

(41:51):
the concept of the world between worlds. I bring it
up as often as I can, But I swear to God,
if this whole rumor of there being a baby and
Or movie or TV show happens and you bring and
Or back to life via the world between worlds. I'm

(42:13):
gonna be very pissed. That's one I would That's not
an idea I support. It's just a horror that literally
came into my head when Katie was talking about how
it's a sad moment that everybody dies, and that and
Or made it even a sadder moment if it means
but don't do it, bloney.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
If it makes you feel better. I don't think Diego
Luna would come.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Back good good, I swear to God. If they're like, oh,
this is the one thing we can recast, let's recast
and or Ah, I don't know why I put myself.
I mean, he did win an Emmy, like that is true,

(43:03):
that is true, but it's just it's a silly thought
that entered my head. And I was like, I really
hope this doesn't go into anybody else's head, at least
anybody else's head. That's important within lucasfilm, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah, but yeah, that is it.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
We didn't have much of anything else for news. We
shall wait and see what happens until next week.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
But.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
We do have Darth Vader issues one through twelve.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
The twenty seventeen edition.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yes, Charles Soul's Run twenty seventeen. Katie. I was so
tempted to just keep reading.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I know, I had to stop myself because I was like, okay,
but if I keep reading, you're going to reference things
prop plot live.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yes, you're gonna start referencing everything and.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Guys, just to reiterate, I scan read, so if I
read something, I just go Okay. We talked about Darth
Vader getting his lightsaber, so Pasta dying, and then we
started into Darth Vader's getting hunted by people in Coruscan.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Like, okay, so here's here's the thing. I can scan
read a book. I cannot scan read a comic.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Oh no, Like I texted you, I forgot how good
the artwork is. I'm literally reading like a page like
four times to absorb the artwork. Because literally, if i'm
reading so like sometimes, like on the Higher Republic comics,
for instance, before we review them, I read through the
bubbles so that way I get the story so I

(44:54):
don't get spoiled by anything else.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Oh see, I'm the complete opposite. In a comic. I
look at the page before I look at any of
the words, Like I am seeing everything that's happening. And
I'm like, holy crap, how did this happen? And then
you read it and you're like, oh my god, Like
that's just that's how I am, so.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Like before we get into it, actually I want to
credit everybody, but finish your thought well.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
And like the really bad thing about having that type
of mentality of like looking at a full page before
you read the words. There's some panels that are meant
to have like a dramatic effect, and so like for me,

(45:41):
I'm like, whoa, Like I don't get the context of this.
Oh well, and then I read it, I'm like, oh well,
kind of ruined myself there. Like the way that the
wording works and everything else, like the just the way
that you're supposed to read it doesn't work very well
if you look at the whole page. But I will

(46:05):
tell people do not use the smart panel on Marvel Unlimited.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
The only reason why I say that is because you
don't get the full feeling of the book. Now. If
because this has happened before, if there is a crazy
page that you do feel like you're a little confused

(46:39):
on how the progression is supposed to go, smart panel,
read that page, and then turn smart panel off and
then read the page again with it in full view.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Especially because I scan read. You would think that smart
panel would be beneficial to me because I'm only looking
at one thing at a time.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
He doesn't click too many times.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
It doesn't work. And you say, well, Katie, you're holding
the omnibus if you're watching on YouTube. Well, yes, but
I'm a digital reader. Now, Okay, I have a bookshelf collection,
I have trophies. That's about it.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Go ahead and credit everybody within this uh one through twelve.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yes, that is the nice thing about the Omnibus is
they have everybody listed, so I don't have to scroll
through Wikipedia. So okay, obviously writer Charles Soul, the penciler
uh is Giuseppe Camunkoli. Anchors we have cam Smith and
Daniel or Landini, David Cirell. For color artists, and for

(47:55):
letters we have Joe Carmogna. And then cover art we
have we will.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Show hold on, hold on Joe Karamanga. Does it not
say VCS in front of it?

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Oh? Yeah, I didn't. I thought that was just the
business like.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, but it's like it sounded a little weird because
every Okay, so this is like a really funny thing that,
like most podcasters do is the VCS is just something
everybody says. So when you said Joe, I was like,
that doesn't sound right. Hold on, it's just it's just

(48:36):
a representation type thing. So I just was like, that's
not important. No, it's it's totally fine, it's totally fine,
but it is something just for future reference. Every like
every single podcast that I've listened to that reviews anything
that Joe has lettered always says VC's Joe Karamanga. So

(49:02):
when you didn't say it, when you didn't say it,
my brain kind of broke a little bit.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I was like, I'm sorry, let me do this for
the podcasting.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
So if you want to.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Edit all that out, you can't. I don't know letters
VCS Joe Carmagna cover art. We have Jim Shoung, Matthew Wilson,
Oliver Kiple, and then Giuseppe Camunkoli and Francesco Martina and

(49:35):
that's everybody one through twelve.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
What was that last one?

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Francesco Martina?

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Okay, So yeah, all.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Right, So I've already kind of summarized our plots. So
we have Vader gets his lightsaber and we meet the
introduction of the Brash Valve. That's one through five ish
six through ten is hunting Jocasta Nu and the death

(50:12):
of Jocasta Nu and everything spoilers sorry, probably should have
said that in advance. And then eleven and twelve is
the start of the next run or the next trade,
which is the Rule of five. So it's like some
Corrassanti top officials have basically been introduced to Vader and

(50:35):
are now basically put him on an assassination list kind
of thing.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, well, let's kind of go in order. So this
basically starts, guys, where Darth Vader's story ends in Revenge
of the Sith. So there's there's there's two parts of

(51:04):
Darth Vader's ending in Revenge of the Sith. There is
the moment where he is being built and he yells no, right,
and then like you see all the other stuff happening
with uh the Jediobi Wan Kenobi Yoda, Luke, Skywalker, Lea,
all that, and then at the very end you see

(51:25):
Vader and Palpatine watching over the construction of the Death Star.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Now this starts when he is yelling no, because we
were in that same room where he was being built. Basically,
and you get the conversation between him and Palpatine. I
really loved the way that Charles wrote this because there

(51:59):
is this like very.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Not so.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Like well, I'm just like Palpatine is so manipulative yep,
and just the way that he speaks, but also so
demanding and direct at the same time, like because he's
he's saying all these things about how Padame's dead and
blah blah blah, and they're you know, oh but you
said you blah blah blah blah, and like there's this

(52:30):
like sincerity of being a friend right with Palpatine. But
then he grabs his lightsaber. Uh is it his lightsaber
or does he like shock him? I can't remember which one.
He shocks him first, Yeah, he shocks him first, and
then he grabs his lightsaber and puts it up to
his throat. He's like, I'm your friend, but if you

(52:53):
ever try to attack me again, I will kill you.
And I'm just like, I love of how manipulative Palpatine is.
I hate like it all tends and purposes in every
iteration that you see him. You should always hate Palpatine.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
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Speaker 2 (53:24):
But he's written so goddamn good in this.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
He's so good. Charles's Soul is like every time I
read a Charles's Soul comic, it makes me go, Man,
I'm so mad that I was not in comics growing up,
because like, it's such a good story, Like this was
one of the first comics I think I read, after

(53:50):
the Air to the Empire, or not the Air of
the Empire, it's it's the sequel too, Yeah, it's the
sequel ones in Legends with Chris, because that was like,
honestly the first comic I read. Yeah, and so getting
into this comic was awesome and like fully confirmed, like, Okay,

(54:12):
you're on the right path, Like this.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Is awesome if if you want, if you want more
Charles so goodness, Daredevil, But.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I hate Daredevil slash as sarcasm, I.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
I know, Like that's that's the great thing about this conversation.
It's because I know the conversations we've had in the
gua and I'm just like, oh, but Charles sold to Daredevil.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Just wait until she sees that I know, and I
keep And every time we get back into comics on
the podcast, I go, oh, I have Marvel in the
mid like I should explore all these things like and
I get into it, but then I like stop, and
then I don't come back for like months.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
See this is why I have this little widget on
my phone called a to do list, and I literally
have to press it for it to go away. And
if I don't do it, I don't press it.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
That's what this is for you.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
See it's bland exactly exactly. You actually need to write
something down on it. And so that's what I'll do,
Like if I forget, like same thing, I forget that
I have Marvel Unlimited. I I purchased Marvel Unlimited because
you had said, oh, we're gonna do all these things
on Marvel Onlimited. I'm like, okay, let me go ahead

(55:42):
and subscribe to it. And of course it was back
when I had like, like I set up an account
specifically when they were doing like some sort of special
deals so that way I would get it like cheaper
or whatnot. So like it was something that I could
literally forget and not be too hurt by it. Now.
I'm just like, there's so much I could be reading

(56:04):
right now two years later exactly, so, so I would
I would strongly recommend Charles Soul Daredevil for you. But
going back to the conversation with Palpatine, he is explaining, uh,
you know, the way things are now. During this time,

(56:26):
we actually see uh uh oh, I forget his name, Masamita.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
He's having This is basically Anakin's introduction to the dark
side of the Force. Yeah, and but also like everything's
kind of ending on Correuspant for the Republic and becoming
the Empire. That's like the first like issue and a half.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, And I'm I'm not gonna go literally frame by
frame for every issue, but I did want to bring
this up because this is actually a very important part
of Star Wars lore because of how many times it

(57:12):
has been brought up in future projects of Star Wars,
the destruction of lightsabers. Yeah, and specifically, and I know
that there's debate over this, and I can't remember why
there was debate. I'll need to go back the lightsaber
that Masamita actually presents to everybody while he's like making

(57:34):
his declaration that they are free from the Jedi. Is
Yoda's lightsaber? Now, I am pretty sure there has been
like debate over whether this was Yoda's lightsaber or not.
But I remember when this was made, everybody's like, oh,

(57:56):
that's Yoda's lightsaber. But I feel like there was something
in the last five years since we've been on this podcast, Yeah,
that there was something that interfered with this conversation, like
with this particular comic. So I wanted to bring it
up because I know that it was a very important
piece of Star Wars lore that has actually brought a

(58:19):
whole bunch of people back to this run because of
this specific moment. Yeah, so I thought that was really cool.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
I do.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
I do think this is Yoda's lightsaber because we see
Yoda's lightsaber fall in Revenge of the Sith, and I
know what you're talking about on how okay does he
have a lightsaber later on? Which is confusing. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
I could remember like what it was, whether it was
a from a certain point of view story that we
had read, or something else in particular that contradicted this comic.
But I love that this search for Vader's lightsaber. We

(59:17):
learn what it is to become a Seth. We learn
that from Palpatine. He explains to him, Oh, well, you know,
well it was Vader that was like listening to Palpatine.
He's like, oh, Master, I understand. In order for me
to become a Sith, I don't just you know, receive

(59:42):
a lightsaber. It must be taken. And so he goes
on this mission to find a Jedi. Now, of course
we just had Order sixty six, so where they are
some time pickens here. But I like the way that

(01:00:07):
Vader thinks yep, because he's like, okay, I know that
most of the Jedi are dead, so how am I
going to find a Jedi to take their lightsaber? Oh?
The baroshe Val, Well this is literally the first sign.
This is where the baroshe Val was literally invented, was

(01:00:31):
in this comic.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
So and I like how Soul does it because he
still incorporates a Vader's point of view here because Vader's
basically working with the droid and the droid is running
the surgeon. He's like, what's the baroche Val? And Vader's like,
I don't have to answer your questions, and like, so

(01:00:57):
we still get the Vader persona, but then we still
get an explanation because the droid kind of furthers the
conversation is like, look, I know you don't have to
answer my questions, but it would be helpful, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
If you want to find your answer, I need an
answer from you, basically. And but this is also where like,
because I know that people were probably already when reading
this comic, oh, we're gonna have a We're gonna have
a lightsaber less Vader for how long? This is gonna

(01:01:39):
be kind of boring? Blah blah blah blah blah. At
the end of Visu one, we see how much of
a badass Vader is without a lightsaber. Then at the
beginning of Issue Too, he goes upon this freaking space
station where they are collecting freaking Jedi archives and stuff,

(01:02:03):
where he knows he can get the information about the
Barrage vow. You see all of these Clone troopers, And
there's a moment where he gets to steal a lightsaber,
but it's only temporarily, and he knows that it's only
temporarily because he cannot keep that lightsaber. He knows.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Yeah, he finishes it and he drops it it's basically like, Okay,
I found a gun and I'm gonna use it until
it's no longer good than me. Yeah, Like that's basically
what this is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
And again there's even a moment after he found the
information that is needed, he is able to grasp a
freaking grenade in the middle of the freaking air with
the force and keep it compressed so it doesn't explode
until the very last moment. Even when there's clone trippers
like bothering him. They're they're like, oh, he's you know,

(01:03:00):
this is a Jedi. Of course he's a Jedi. He's
using the forest, he used the lightsaber, like all these
different things, right, but like he uh, he said the
famous line, but not in the way that it was
first said I am no Jedi, but he said I
am not a Jedi, which is the most badass thing ever.

(01:03:26):
He pushes them with the forest, cracks their necks, throws
the grenade and blows up the station.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Those panels by kmuon Coli awesome, like so good with
their grenade and everything, like just stepping through like you
feel like you're witnessing it on screen almost because of
how detail oriented like the art was and everything like

(01:03:55):
Stue Herb.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
I also like the colors here. I like the shading.
I like the specific choice of It doesn't happen all
the time, but it happens very rarely. There's this panel
in It's issue number two, page eighteen on the Unlimited app.

(01:04:28):
You actually see Vader holding the the grenade while they
are talking to him, and he is slightly outlined in blue.
And I like this because the coloring of the page,
he would very easily blend into the background just because

(01:04:52):
of the way they shaded him. And so just that
rough that like not even rough, the very slight blue outline.
You can even say, like, oh, it's you know, he's
probably using the force and they're trying to show it
in some sort of capacity for those of you watching
on YouTube. Yeah, there's this very light blue outline around him.

(01:05:18):
Really dig that. I love the way they do that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Because it's not there on the other panels. That's literally
the only one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Yeah, So there's that. But then at the very end
of that issue this, Yeah, it was. It was those two.
That's the specific one that I was talking about. Though,
we get the uh uh the identity of the person

(01:05:47):
that he is going to uh triumph find, which his
name is Karak in Phila.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
We're just gonna talk about this whole entire like fight hunt,
whatever you want to talk call it all in one,
because my god, this was amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Oh my gosh, this is so good. This is where
I was reading when I texted you, like, oh my gosh,
I forgot how good this art was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I love this. Also, is uh freaking Karak the same
species as the Blade?

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Because they look very very similar.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Uh but he is a very fit individual, white beer
to grayskin six pack with a giant scar on his chest.
And this dude is just.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Sorry. I just realized something. He's in Trials of the Jedi.
What he's in Trials? He's the weapons master who creates
the armor.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
I just realiz.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Like, I pulled up his Wikipedia page so we could
like talk about him and everything is like Kirak and
follow was the Jedi of the Higher Public era who
was active when the Guardian Protocols went into effect due
to the Nighthill conflict, and I was like, what wait whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Whoa whoa wha wha wha wha wha wha wha wha
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait. This conversation just went an entire left turn
in a good way. Holy crap, hold hold on, hold on, okay, okay,
small pit stop in this conversation, Katie, how did we

(01:08:20):
not recognize this too?

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Two, He took the vow.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Why so okay? So. The next sentence was he worked
alongside Master Govina in the armory creating lightsaber blades. Due
to the urgency of the Niho conflict, he helped create
less ornate battlesabers, which is where I recognized, Hey, wait
a second, the droid Yeah and so, and he's, along

(01:09:00):
with Govina and fall A help design armor used by
the Luminous Nine to resist the Nameless Effect in their
mission to return the Nameless to their homeworld. Eventually, he
took the prarash Val and cut himself from the Order's activities.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Eventually, but think about.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
If he's pissed off that buckets of blood died.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
That's what I mean. He could He could have regardless
of the story or the reports that the survivors of
the nine had told them. What if he felt so

(01:09:49):
bad thinking that his armor failed buckets of blood that
he took the vow because of it?

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
Dude, I'm like, now, like or what you can go
even as far as saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
He took the vow because of the entire mission. Uh uh,
I'm uh. I'm actually going to be putting spoilers right
because I well, the one thing, like everything else, I
don't really feel like it's huge spoilers, but what I'm

(01:10:38):
about to say is an actual huge spoiler. So I'm
actually going to write and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Apparently, Okay, so apparently he's in Legacy Vader issue six,
so we will be talking about him again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Yes, we will be talking about him again. So before
we see that, Katie, what if he sees that LSR
and Avar were forced to stay.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
On Planet X.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
And sees that as a oh, my armor wasn't good enough.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Yeah, because they said, hey, you cannot reveal why we're
struck here. You basically have to go back and tell
people we died.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Yeah, Hey, guys, this is our third adbreak and we
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Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
You know how long Charles Soul was holding this in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Well he did say, so, they said, and we had
picked up on some of it. That planning for this
was like in full effect for some time prior to
the release of the Light of the Jedi.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Correct, But for the fact.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
That they were planting the seeds here absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Insane insane, like I don't know how you go like, oh, yeah,
I'm gonna put this character in here, and like we
love it. Don't get me wrong, we love it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
But now I need to know. I need to know
the actual reason. Now, Oh my god, see and see,
here's here's the problem. Here's the problem. Okay, I read
this back when it was releasing in two thousand and seven.
I have consumed so much content from now, from from

(01:13:08):
from then until now. When that name appeared in Trials,
it meant nothing to me. But for people who are
for for people who were actually able to remember ship
like that, they were probably like, oh, oh my god,
and I kind of I'm kind of mad that I
was not one of those people to have that realization.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
This is a downfall of my skin reading is because
I don't catch these things until I look at a
summary page.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Wow, that is amazing. Okay, and so now I'm gonna
put the.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
This is what you put on social media. By the way,
if we were good at social media, you can take
this snippet right here. Oh my gosh, he's in Shadows
of Starlight one. Also, by the way, Shadows of Starlight
one and Trails of the Jedi.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Okay, so Shadows of Starlight I don't remember, like at all,
so I'll have to well, no, no, no, Shadows of
Starlight is when he is actually that one I do remember.
Is you actually see him helping create lightsabers. I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Yeah, I would bet. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to
pull out that is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
I am pretty sure I remember that one. Like I
almost can visualize the the actual panels from that one
because I think he was, oh like, I'm keeping a
majority of this in but just putting the notations in

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the actual uh shuts down below for people. So yeah,
that's amazing. I I am actually floored.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Yeah by this, that's him right there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
I remember this. Yep, that's the panel. I yep, that
is him as a young man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Yeah, because Hu Yang is mentioned here and he's there
the whole time. Basically he has.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
He has to be the same species as as the
Blade for him to be this old.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
In this yeh or Aora, I could say Aurora as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Oh that's true. Yeah, that is very true. But movie
to sidetrack got totally sidetracked for a good reason. Very
very cool realization. So Katie, now that we got that

(01:16:08):
out of our system, this fight, this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Hunt, I think it even means more now with that context,
because you think he went through the Nihil conflict, the
Nameless conflict, where he had so many.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Of his brethren die, like during the three years he's
had this feeling before.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
And I really love that conversation that he's having with
this droid. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
It is his Jedi training droid.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Basically, yes, his name is uh. Do they not give
a name to the droid at all?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
It just is our X.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Okay, yeah, our X, so our X. He he tells
our X like, oh, I have felt this like feeling,
this dark feeling that all of my brothers and sisters
are gone in the galaxy, and now that darkness is

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headed this way. And so when they are finally confronted,
he's like, oh, are you the one that slaughtered my
brothers and sisters. And Vader doesn't even say anything. He
literally just starts using the force to choke him and
he pulls away. He's like, no, no, you're not gonna
do this. You want me, You're gonna have to come

(01:17:47):
and get me. So if you, if you truly feel
like you're worthy of fighting me, you'll make it to
the top of this mountain and you will kill me.
And so he has all of these traps set up,
and the first one is like this just flooding of water.
Vader very easily separates the water. Then he gets to

(01:18:12):
a point where there's a bridge and like these freaking
very large eagle falcon looking things hawks, and our ex
is like, I can blow the bridge. I can blow
the bridge right now? Are we gonna blow the bridge? Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
I Basically like this is like a he calls it
a Jedi training site. Yeah, and because it's a Jedi
monastery where he's at, so it feels almost like the
Acolyte in a sense because uh, what's his name takes
the brash valve at a Jedi facility. So that kind

(01:18:49):
of makes me feel better about the separation part of it,
where this has maintained consistency over the years where Infala
can basically go to a Jedi monastery, but it's a monastery,
like it's remote, like it's not directly connected anymore. But

(01:19:11):
this basically feels like masters could take their princesses here
and go, Okay, this is a training mission. You have
to go up this down basically yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
And when he asks, uh, Karak, hey can I blow
the bridge, He's like, no, no more traps set him
on the way and uh Vader, when he gets up
top throws a giant rock at him and before Karak,

(01:19:44):
can you even get up the training Droidan's like, don't worry, Master,
I got him h And Vader just rips him apart. Yeah,
takes his training blade and throws him off the freaking
mountain correct very easily. Dismembers, Vader, gets rid of a leg,

(01:20:09):
shreds a hand, and then it's like, I'm gonna kill you,
Like this is what's gonna happen. But I know that
you could not have done this alone. You probably had
a master. So not only am I going to kill you,
I'm gonna go on my way return to home, and

(01:20:31):
I'm gonna go find your Master and kill him. Yeah,
so he throws Vader off the cliff, goes and finds
some neighboring people on the same planet that has his
his ship. He's like, hey, I need my ship. Please
get ready, kind of in a hurry, but take your time.

(01:20:54):
I think we should be okay yep. But that is
when Vader comes along. Uh, and like the dude is
so relaxed at the fact that he killed Vader that
he's like, oh, look at all these tricks with the
Force I'm gonna entertain. And all of a sudden, he
feels him. He feels him in the force. He's like,
oh crap, this can't be real. No, I killed you.

(01:21:17):
What's wrong? Yeah, it goes outside because he.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Doesn't understand the machinery aspect of it. He's maintained remoteness
for one hundred years at least at this point, so
we're guessing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
We're guessing because we don't know when he took the valve, but.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Uh, it does. The only thing we know is that
he took the valve before Anakin went into the temple. Yes,
so we know it wasn't thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Years exactly, because I feel like, oh, well, I don't
know I don't know that that goes along with the
with the second part of our conversation with Chakosta. But
in this fight with Karak, this legitimate fight, now we
get to see a little bit more of the inhumane

(01:22:10):
part of Darth Vader because we see some security guards
confront them. Vader is like, fine, I'll just throw you
guys off this giant dam and Karak tries to save them,
and Vader's like, huh an exploit, let me use that

(01:22:31):
real quick, and literally destroys the entire dam. Karak is like, no,
your fight is between me and you, has nothing to
do with them, and Vader's like, that's where you're wrong.
It is about them, and I know it's about them
because of you, and so now they will die because

(01:22:53):
of you. He literally crushes his neck, crushes the dam,
takes the lightsaber, and goes about his merry. Way. Now,
I did a whole lot of word vomit there explaining everything.

(01:23:13):
So Katie, I actually want you to talk about the
next issue, which is the ending of this arc with
the actual explanation of the bleeding and the actual bleeding
of the crystal, and this.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Should be our final ad break.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
So y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Thanks for bearing with us. We appreciate y'all. We'll be
right back, dude. So this part of it is really
awesome in the way that Soul articulates the war. It
not even articulates because at this point he's creating war.
This is the first time that bleeding a crystal, bleeding

(01:23:58):
in Kyber Crystal has even been mentioned, and so Soul
just are he It's very artistic how he just articulates
this and creates this identity in Star Wars Cannon. It's
some mental legend for himself that is now like seen

(01:24:21):
on screen basically, and so like this Crystal actually gives
Vader a vision and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Like, what if you chose not to do this, Katie.
One of my favorite parts of charles Soul Run in
its entirety is the humanity that Charles is able to

(01:24:53):
give Vader, even though we literally just saw him be
as inhumane as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
It's these moments that you like, just like in Obi
Wan season one, we got to see that small glimmer
of Anakin mm hmm. That's what you see in small
moments in Charlestoul's Run. It's so and this is literally

(01:25:30):
the first time we get to see that here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Yeah, because that vision basically takes Anakin on journey to
where Okay, what if I went.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Back to Obi Wan?

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
What if I defeated the Emperor and basically said, uh no,
I'm not gonna do this. So it's just so good
how Charlesoul does this and adds that humanity like you said,
and even gives that humanity also to a Kiber Crystal
who's experiencing the pain of Vader trying to manipulate It's

(01:26:11):
It's utterly fantastic. And this makes me even more excited
to go into Charlestow's Star Wars run that he just
got done with his twenty twenty twenty run, because he
goes into the healing process of the Kiber Crystal with
Luke on the other end of it, and I'm really

(01:26:33):
excited to go into those issues now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Yeah. Now, I tremendously loved this issue in particular because, again,
like I said, one of the very cool moments of
the entire run, and I feel like it's something that
every writer then like tried to is not the right

(01:27:01):
word for it, because like I feel like it's everybody's
right to do their own interpretation of Vader. Yeah, but
like every single writer tried to do the same thing,
and some of them got it right, some of them
didn't get there quite so much. But this this was
amazing because there's so many people out there that are wanting, oh,

(01:27:28):
what if Star Wars got a what if? Like I
want to see a what if? And we get these
small little glimmers of hope within Vader because we know
all the way in the future of this timeline, he
eventually steps back, takes down the Emperor, and helps Luke

(01:27:49):
Skywalker save the galaxy. Right that has to that Spark
literally was a tiny, tiny ember right here in this
part of the timeline, and just and you can legitimately
say that that ember just slowly built up until that

(01:28:10):
time of Empire strikes back. But I like you see
the emotion, not Nobi Wan Kenobi's face, the emotion in
just Vader's one eye that you see within his mask.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Like it's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
The art is so beautiful, the colors, the contrast between
the blue and the red and the black so good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
But we I like how you see like a very
small glimmer of red when he's trying to bleed it.
And then the very next time you see Vader in
front of Palpatine, he ignites his lightsaber and it's red.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
I dug this. I loved this entire arc of taking
that lightsaber making it his own again. We we got
to nerd out a little bit on the actual character
that he stole the lightsaber from, which I absolutely love
as well. But the next arc is the Inquisitor, the

(01:29:22):
introduction to the Inquisitors, and the Jacosta arc Jecosta. Sorry,
it's it's all in one here. I love this now.
The only thing that I was a little disappointed about
now again I will eventually see her again in this

(01:29:43):
exact run. My girl was not there when we first
are introduced to all of the Inquisitors. Uh, of course,
I'm talking about the character from Rise of the Red Blade. Yeah,
spoiler alert. She is in this run.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
It is the.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
The ending of her story actually is in this Charles
Soul run of Darth Vader. But we are introduced to
the Grand Inquisitor. We learn again how manipulative Palpatine can be.
The test, the constant testing that Palpatine is doing for

(01:30:32):
everybody that works.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
Oh good, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
I love to hate Palpatine, and writers and artists that
make that happen really make me love it a lot
more because so many times we see, especially at the
time where they these issues were published, where we were

(01:30:58):
trying to make relating to the villain a thing in
a lot of fiction pieces. And so I don't want
to relate to Palpatine. I want to get why he
is the way that he is, and I want a
good story about the way that he is, but I

(01:31:19):
don't want to relate to him. And Soul does that
so well, Like I know why Palpatine is the way
that he is, I don't want anything more than that. Yeah,
and he does it perfectly.

Speaker 5 (01:31:38):
So in this we.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Are introduced to the Inquisitors, but the Inquisitors are also
introduced to Vader, and this is an ongoing thing as well.
This uh, this idea that Vader is still very unknown
to the rest of the Empire. I really dig this

(01:32:09):
because Anakin Skywalker Darth Vader was such an important role
in Palpatine's takeover of the Republic, and yet Vader is
like a nobody to most of the Empire, which is

(01:32:32):
absolutely insane.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
It's hysterical because you think, hey, if I knew who
this person was. If I knew that he was Anakin Skywalker,
I like these people, these members of the Empire, would go, oh,
I respect Vader so much more because of who Anakin
Skywalker is. So it's interesting to give that perspective. Obviously,

(01:32:57):
you don't want people to know, like, hey, Anakin like
Vader was Anakin because he was a Jedi. You don't
want that. Uh, so you can't really do that, but
just imagine like, oh, we got Anakin on our side
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Well, no, because like even there was uh there's a
moment in the in the second issue where he's going
on too that space station where one of the Clone
Troopers is like, oh man, I haven't seen flying like
that since and somebody's like, don't even say it. The
Jedi are dead. Everybody knows. Everybody in the entire galaxy
knows the best star pilot of all the Jedi was

(01:33:39):
Anakin Skywalker yep. And so even the Clone Troopers like
could recognize that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:51):
And so with this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
The questioning, oh, well, you know, why are you so special?
Blah blah blah, and then Palpatine even says his word
is my word. If he says something, you do it,
it's just assume that it's a it's a direct order
from me, and you can kind of tell how it

(01:34:17):
gets under people's skin. And a lot of times when
freaking Palpatine himself is saying this, when Vader is explaining
this to people, people are upset because it looks like
this guy out of nowhere is just all of a
sudden the top dog of the empire. Now, like, are

(01:34:40):
you kidding me? Like, I've worked so hard to get
where I'm at, I've stepped on toes, probably killed people.
But yet this person gets to stand right next to Palpatine,
and I think that is so good. I think it's
actually really really fun. It gets this idea, especially with
the last arc of what we're going to be talking

(01:35:02):
about the beginning of the assassination attempt and this.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Should be our final ad break. So y'all, thanks for
bearing with us. We appreciate y'all. We'll be right back.
Because that introduction that Palpatine does basically leads into the
assassination attempts, and just to kind of finish up the
Jocasta news stuff. I love how she made a library

(01:35:26):
of what she knew. She was the most studied Jedi. Yeah,
because she led those archives, and so she spent time
making a new archive that could be found by the
future of the Jedi. And I see Luke does find that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
And I was gonna say, like, I think it's really
cool that at the very end of that particular issue
there was an actual time jump, but only for those
few panels. And so as soon as you see that
rock being lifted, you see Luke Skywalker's face, it gives
you an idea of like, oh, this is where he started.

(01:36:05):
He probably started his academy here, right, So I really
dig that. I think that's super fun. I also like
the idea of her going back to Coruscand and finding
this very important list, this codex if you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Will, of the future of the Jedi Order yep, and
still curious as to how that's a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Well, I think that there is. Well I guess that
is a little convoluted, if you will, because for all
we know, for all we've known is as soon as
the Jedi find people who are of age and you know,

(01:37:05):
uh for sensitive, they take them. They're like, hey, yeah,
uh they're ours now, peace out and they'll be a Jedi. Now.
Is it possible? Did they specifically say children in this list,
or did they say future Jedi because this list could

(01:37:26):
be for sensitive people who were not of age.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
I think it's I think it's the same list that
Palpatine steals with Cad Baye in Clone Wars.

Speaker 5 (01:37:39):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Okay, so that's my theory.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Yeah, that's interesting. Actually, okay, I I you know what
talking about this? I love one we have a droid
that scans biometrics and is able to identify Lord Vader

(01:38:13):
as Anakin Skywalker, and then Anakin Darth. Vader is like, oh,
can't have that. I gotta kill you, throws his lightsaber
and the Droid's like, come on now, I'm a security
droid that's supposed to, you know, supposed to secure all
of these archives. I know a thing or two about
Jedi fighting. That was wild. I like my jaw dropped

(01:38:39):
from reading this again because again it's there's a lot
of stuff that I that I forgot, honestly, so seeing
this was actually really really fun. But one thing that
I genuinely forgot was a weapon that I need to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
See in live action, the lightsaber gun.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
The lightsaber gun, and no I am not saying Ezra's
blaster blade No, this is a rifle that you literally
place your lightsaber inside the chamber locket and it uses
that as a power source.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
Which makes it because the vectors use the lightsabers to
power to drive.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
This essentially.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Is like.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
A death star in your hands because death stars are
created by kyber crystals. And she uses it to try
and fight Vader. Uh saying all these things about Darth Vader,
about Anakin. It's like, oh, so this is what all

(01:39:58):
of the silent moments that Obi Wan Kenobi had we're
really about, like really just jabbing at Vader. I'm like, girl,
you do not want to be doing this with Darth
Vader like anybody else I could see. You know, you
piss off Darth Maul cool. He's arrogant enough. He's gonna
slip up. You do this with any other sith Kylo Rin,

(01:40:20):
He's gonna get angry. It's gonna knock him off his game.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
Yep, you do this with Darth.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
That's scary. That is a scary thing to do. But
eventually this lightsaber blaster rifle melts because it runs out
of juice. The kyber basically explodes within itself.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Yeah, I think the lightsaber melts and so the rifle
is still around.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Yeah. But then like, yeah, but she she like rigged
it to explode, that was the thing. Yeah, So like
it's immediately started beeping. She pushed it. Uh. Well, well,
I think it was Vader who actually pulled it with
the force to try to take it away from her,
not realizing that it was also an explosive, and then

(01:41:08):
he immediately pushed it away. It exploded created a giant
hole in the wall.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
And then like this was even scarier because like Jacosta
jumps out and she's able to steal a random lightsaber
that was on the wall, and she jumps down starts,

(01:41:35):
you know, deflecting all these blaster bullets or whatever. And
then somebody one of the stormtroopers is like or one
of the Clone troopers looks up, is like there's another Jedi,
and they all start shooting at Vader. I'm like, that
dude is not only getting demoted, that dude is dead.
That dude is going to die later in cannon ya

(01:41:59):
because like even Vader is like, why did nobody give
a description of who this might be? Now, granted, I
don't think Vader said anything about who it was, because
one of the one of the troopers actually says like, hey,

(01:42:19):
why is there so many of us needing to stand guard? Yeah,
He's like, oh, were you here that night of Order
sixty six? He's like, yeah, like we were here. He's like, well, yeah,
those Jedi you may have missed some. He didn't say
anything specific. That's Vader's fault.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Not giving a description is Vader's fault, not the clones.
So I thought that was funny. But they're able to
capture her. And again, guys, we got that glimmer of hope,
that very small ember of the humanity of Vader. But

(01:42:57):
that's not what Vader's about. Vader is also about the inhumanity,
the turn to the dark side, what makes him the
right hand of Palpatine. And so when they're on this
ship on their way to Palpatine, Jecosta is like, hey, like,

(01:43:18):
you want to say all of this dirty stuff to me,
like calling me a dirty Jedi and a trader and
all this stuff. Are you guys idiots? You got a
Jedi right next to you. This is Anakin skywalker yep.
And Vader takes out the whole crew. He was like, oh,
have that boom. He knocks them out of the freaking

(01:43:42):
ship and he tells her He's like, they're dead because
of you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
And I love how you still see a glimpse of Vader,
like you still see a glimpse of Anakin. Yes, he's
still doing it because he doesn't want to be replaced
as the dark Side apprentice, but him destroying that list
is definitely a best of both Jedi and Sith Anakin.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
I feel like, so this this is where like I'm
not entirely sure I would say that this is a
necessarily like Anakin Vader thing. I think this is a

(01:44:32):
pure Vader thing.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
And I'm not saying it isn't, but like knowing like, okay,
these people could come in and replace him is a
Vader thing for sure, but also like, okay, let these
kids be kids. Like I feel like that's something that
Anakin would have wanted to stick by, which is why
I'm like, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Yes, yes, Like like you could you could probably say, yeah,
that little ember we were talking about, maybe there's a
little bit of humanity within crushing that list, but it
is a hey, there's a rule of two, and if
there's others, I can be replaced. And I'm telling you

(01:45:16):
right now I will never be replaced.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
Star Wars Kids Kids.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
Is hysterical. Adrian, Adrian is in the chat. Adrian would
miss you too. We have a proposition for you that
we have just kept forgetting to send you a message
about because Clay and I are, Adrian says, my favorite
Vader comics are definitely when he folds back little Boy Annie.
Sabine brings a different Vader to the mix in the comics,

(01:45:49):
for sure. I have not finished the ones with Sabine,
so I'm interested to see how that plays in because
I didn't finish it. I got to the point where
she gets kind of accepted in the fold. These are
the Greg pat comics he's talking about, and so I

(01:46:13):
need to I need to go back and read those.
He says, omj if you love Anakin coming back, and
you'll love it. Now that I have remembered, I have
marvel on themit and I will probably speed through a
bunch of them again.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
So but one thing that I actually really love, not
only with the destroying of the list, but there's a
moment where where Jacosta is like, uh, the whole list

(01:46:54):
is so that way public team can make more of you.
And that's why Nevillie destroys it is because I don't
want to be replaced. I don't there there is no
more of me. I am the only one. That is
what he is saying with destroying the list. But when
she is like what do you want? Like what do

(01:47:15):
you want? Boy?

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
I love that she calls him a boy. He kills
the troopers and then she's like, okay, and what's what's
gonna happen to me?

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
What are you gonna do now? And all you see
in that panel is the glow of red. I love
that because again it shows how far Anakin has fallen.
It shows the true Darth Vader feeling here. And then
he tells Palpatine, Oh, yeah, she died. She died in

(01:47:54):
this whole thing here. I I didn't hear anything from
her and I didn't get any information. Better luck next time, Palpatine.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Yeah, and this should be our final ad break. So y'all,
thanks for bearing with us. We appreciate y'all. We'll be
right back.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Yeah. And so the next small arc beginning of an
arc really is the assassination and we and we mostly
talked about that. The idea of the introduction to Vader

(01:48:35):
to the Empire is what gets this assassination attempt really
on its way. We see Vader going into this bar
because of their being a possible with Jedi sighting and
the Ninth Sister famously also being a part of the

(01:49:01):
Jedi Survivor series on PlayStation. She asks Vader like, what
are you even doing here? Like it's one?

Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
Why do one here?

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Like because because she explains, like most of these are
really just false alarms. Somebody will say that they saw
lightsaber when it's actually just some sort of like uh
uh saw like light like saw or whatever, So like
this could just all be a false alarm, Like why
why are you spending the time to do this? And

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she's like, oh, I get it, Like you're here in
case we get lucky, Yeah, because you're dying to get
your hands on a Jedi.

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
Yeah, And this one is super interesting. I kept wanting
to go further into this run or this trade, and
I was like, I can't do it because I will
talk about everything else related to it. So I'm interested
to remember how this one is continuing as like when

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we go to read it next month. But I love
how this starts off and we get a bounty hunter
group that is basically in charge of taking his lightsaber
and trying to kill Vader and the daughter in this

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to Charanta, I think it's her name. She makes an
appearance in Hidden Empire. I thought she was the Bounty
Hunters girl, but she is not the Bounty Hunter's girl.
She just makes an appearance in Hidden Empire. So there's
your connection there because I remembered her more than I

(01:50:56):
did everything else that kind of happened in these two issues. Yeah,
but getting those details and seeing how Vader continues to
flesh out the inquisitors, because while Soul didn't create the inquisitors,
he built a lot of them from scratch into what
we have currently today because you had rebels and then

(01:51:18):
you've had this run. So it's just really good storytelling
all around, just to build those stories and set other
writers up for success along the road. Like Delilah s Dawson.
Obviously we haven't seen her inquisitor yet, but like we

(01:51:43):
know later on, like she's in this run, and so
like you can't do that unless you have a really
good footing on which to tell a story, and I
think Soul does that really well.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
Yeah. Yeah, but like one, so I like the strategic
Vader that we see a lot that we haven't really
talked about too much because we've been more along the
conversation about like the badass Vader and like the humanity

(01:52:17):
side of Vader, the inhumane Vader, the strategic Vader. Here.
I also like because some of us, I think there's
a lot of people that see Vader as just like
this bloodthirsty machine a lot of the time, which is

(01:52:37):
true in some cases. But he has a good head
on his shoulders. Yeah, he used to be called a general.
Like there's a reason for that. And so in this
issue where he's talking to this family, like he even
like he stops them, and he doesn't immediately just like

(01:53:00):
try to kill them. Yeah, Like he's like, who hired you?
Why are you trying to kill me? He wants to
get answers. If he was just a bloodthirsty machine, he
would kill first, ask questions later.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
Yep. And he still cares about the kids because originally
he was going to kill the entire family. But then
like when the mom goes yeah, but like if you
just kill her, like I'm not gonna give you anything,
then he goes okay, like and I can see you
letting the kid live. I think that's a standard in

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Vader storytelling. Obviously Jedi Temple kids aside, He's still if
kids are roped into something that's not in their control,
I feel like he's like, yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
No because you Because I think, more so than anything, like,
Vader has a backstory Anakin. Anakin lived a whole life,
and Vader uses that life, the good and the bad,
to further his power as a Sith.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Knowing that he was a slave, knowing how hard it
was with you know, only one parent, and all of
these other things, like, you have to remember that he
lived these things. So like the decisions he's making with
this family keeping the girl alive, you have to put

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that in perspective, right, And so I really like that.
And and it's it's layered. It's not something that you
literally just see and it's written in plain sight for you.
You have to think of Vader not only as this
individual that's on this panel, but everything that he's gone through,
even as a kid being Anakin. Yeah, and so I

(01:55:05):
really dig that the family tells him that this bounty,
this kill order was made from the very top. And
I love the progression of the panel here because when
she says at the very top, the panel that you
see is Palpatine. And I love this more so on

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a technical writing scale, because narrators are not always reliable. Yes,
and so you plant to seed, whether it be on
purpose or on accident or whatever. But like you see that,

(01:55:55):
and you're giving the narrative to the reader. Oh, this
is another test from Palpatine, And they immediately address it
the very next issue, because Vader does confront Palpatine, is
this another test? Did you do this to me? And

(01:56:17):
Palpatine's like, no, I don't know who did this. Well,
if it's from the very top, then they must have
had so much security and blah blah blah. But I
absolutely love how Vader finds out and he doesn't even
find out really Yeah. Because also one small, very small

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minute thing that we skipped over in every panels or
not every panel, but every arc so far we see
it at least once in every arc. We see what
Vader sees himself at in the Force.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
Oh yeah, like the little like chaos spinning the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
The silhouette of himself of being pure like chaos, dark
side energy. But like you notice how his entire body
is not that, because those are his limbs that are
literally cut off. Those are not part of him. So

(01:57:30):
I love the attention to detail with that. But he
is super focused within the force right now, sitting up
in his little room, meditating, and he's able to get
a sense within somewhere in corriuscant of this conversation that's presiding. Yeah,

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And this conversation is happening at this place called the
Room of Masks in the the Uskru district, and it's
these two people you don't know their faces, and they're
having these conversations about Vader about how he's just all

(01:58:14):
of a sudden showed up. He has all of this
like high security, and we were not entirely sure like
who brought him up, but he basically what I was
saying before, like, oh, he can't just be Palpatine's right
hand after we've worked so hard, blah blah blah. Right, yeah,
And so he does get a small glimmer of something

(01:58:38):
that had happened in a prior issue and he actually
got mad at somebody and he was forced choking them.
He's like, ah, I see, And the very next day
Palpatine assembles all of the superiors in the uh, I

(01:59:01):
feel like in coorissant. Really yeah, And this is where
he introduces Vader. He explains to everybody, Hey, this is
Darth Vader.

Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
He is Lord Vader.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
He is Lord Vader. Yeah, this is Lord Vader. He says,
here he speaks with my voice. A command from him
is a command from me. Pass this information to your men.
All must understand. And so he backs up, and then
Vader starts naming off these people. He says, Pharaoh, Bengen, Steffi,

(01:59:38):
and Azarus. And you see like this dude, like sweat
and bullets. You see one girl like moving her eyes like,
oh crap, what's going on? And he says, I just
I love this panel progression. He says, two attempts have
been made on my life. Evidence suggests a conspiracy within

(01:59:59):
the Imperial Officer. I do not yet know the precise
individuals behind these attempts, although I have my suspicions. It
does not matter. I will always survive every time. I
will survive. But five of you chosen at random, and
he clutches his fists, and all of those people that

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he just named dead immediately, yep, will not. And he
is doing this as a show of force a show
of power, saying, hey, you guys want to try to
keep trying to kill me, bring it, keep doing it.
This is what's gonna happen to every single.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
One of you. Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:44):
It's so haunting, and it just showcases what a villain.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
Vader is because, like again, like at the very end,
like this literally ends with another page of him meditating
him his true self and like the menacing look because
you see what he sees himself as. And then the
very next page, very first panel, you see Vader in

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the same red light of his lightsaber. He's so angry
and he cracks the glass, and that's how the twelfth
issue ends. I love this so far, and I love
this when it came out. I did not pick this
up until the beginning of the introduction of the Inquisitors.

(02:01:33):
I think that was Issue six was when I first
started to grab it, and then I had to go
hunt for issues one through five, which was absolutely insane
to do because everybody and their mother was reading this
comic at the time. They're like, oh my god, Darth
Vader is such a good comic. You couldn't find issue
number one anywhere. Yeah, this book is absolutely amazing and

(02:01:58):
I cannot wait to finish.

Speaker 3 (02:01:59):
The rest of it with you, yep, which will be
in the middle of September.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (02:02:06):
Next week we will be diving back in to finish
out the Force.

Speaker 7 (02:02:09):
Unleash, and then the following week we have another comic review,
So that is what you can expect for the rest
of August.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (02:02:23):
So Clay tell us where they can find you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
Yeah, of course you can always find me at Fanboy
Clay on most of social media if you will follow
me on my life back into reading comics. I'm gonna
be talking about all of that on Blue Sky and
I have finally picked up some of the books that

(02:02:48):
I was reading again and I will be talking about
that on Instagram and on TikTok if you would like
to follow me for that reason. And then of course
I have here at the Gua Ranger Alliance. Joe actually
joined me this week to talk about the latest episode
of Goes Yugur number one, so check that out. And

(02:03:14):
I do want to remind you guys, very first week
of September, and it actually does look like it's gonna happen.
It may not, but either way, we are still going
to be taking a break. As far as a newer episode,
we do have something in the works for you guys, yep,

(02:03:36):
to be released on that week, so expect something a
little bit newer.

Speaker 3 (02:03:43):
But yeah, we will not have a live show.

Speaker 2 (02:03:46):
Yeah, we will not have a live show. You'll just
have a pre recorded episode for you guys on that week,
first week of September. But yeah, I just wanted to
let everybody are reminder everybody of that.

Speaker 3 (02:04:01):
I think that's the first time we've said that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:03):
So oh well, there you go, y'all.

Speaker 3 (02:04:09):
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(02:04:52):
want to wish everyone a great day or night, whatever
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