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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, ladies and Jim and welcome back to the gen
V season two review series. I am the bathe Trust
Now I'm joined.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
By the exploratory toy Taylor Field.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Oh my god. So yes we're back to talk about
some soups and badness going on with GENV. Obviously we're back.
We reviewed the last two episodes. Lots of other reviews
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(01:19):
I didn't even think about this, Taylor. Every year when
we've done that, Oh, we're gonna finally do a stream
where there's no like daylight savings time that always messes
with us.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Remember, and we should have done this a long time
ago because doing the change up putting it on the
weekend where it's a long weekend and we get a
holiday after, Like, it's just makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Do we get a holiday after?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, I but been on the wait a second, where's
my count here? It's on the Tuesday though, so it's
not a long weekend forever.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well usually then work usually bumps into the stat to Monday, though,
is that true?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Think?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I think this year has been full of Tuesday holidays,
really fucked up on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I'm gonna hit that. I'm gonna say Taylor told me
that it's supposed to be on the Monday, but yeah,
that would be Maybe I'll have to look in that
b idea, but yeah, that's the charity stream. Tons of events.
I don't know the number of events yet. It will
be going live. I've meant today, but today was very
very busy, So soon everything by this weekend. The links
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the most ever. All the proceeds if you want to
(02:22):
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The post after so we very much appreciate it. It helps
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the information. If you want to go, look on the page.
Once it's up there. I should get a link eventually.
(02:43):
But yeah, try and raise money. Trying to raise twenty
five hundred. We' which is crazy because I looked into
this year. I'll announce it at some point, but we've
raised like eighteen thousand dollars over these past two years.
So let's see if we could get to if we
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many people are streaming, come check us out. And yeah,
tons of fun. Uh some events, you know, some events
you don't know, going to be a good time. So, Tarfield,
(03:25):
what did you think of this episode? Episode five? Some
I'd say, I'd say some big stuff going on, lots
of revelations. Because what there's only three episodes left after this,
so I fink we're starting to already heat up a
bit here, We're yeah, no, there's only three episodes left
after this.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, so this episode, yeah, it had some developments, It
had some interesting push forwards here and then the other
downside that I'll say is that some things were just
way too and expect anticipated or just repetitive. I feel like,
(04:03):
and this isn't a spoiler, when it comes to Cipher
as a character, they they make you think like, oh,
our characters are doing this, but now it's just every week,
it's just a constant Cipher knows what's going on. Oh
we're ahead of the game. Oh da da da da.
That like he's always on top of things. And they
always make like a big point like, oh, like whether
it's this character engaging with Cipher, this character doing this,
(04:26):
it's like, oh, well, we can expect it now because
he's always on top. So I'm sure I'm hoping that
maybe they kind of like subvert your expectations with that
soon because he can't always come out on top. But
I guess we'll see. But some things are just like
predictable in this episode. But that being said, I do
enjoy one arc that I was apprehensive, but well, once
(04:51):
we kind of got into it and just massaged it
a little bit, I was like, Okay, yeah, I'm actually
like I'm jiving with the with the story and this
character in particular, so I'm definitely interested to see where
we're gonna go because as far as the main like
secret background narrative is going on, the main heavy hitter,
they alluded a little bit more to that, and they
(05:15):
kind of give us they didn't really give us an
answer on one thing. They showed us a bit more,
but they didn't give us any insight as to what's
really going on with it. But there are a couple
of surprises though in this episode that we're definitely welcomed
in the greater world of the Boys. I'll say so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, no, I really enjoyed this episode. I think this
might be this might be my favorite of the season
so far, now that it's like, oh, some of the
best televisions, it's the one I enjoyed the most. I
think steaks are going really high fast, which is good.
I still question. I guess it's like we've troughtbably before
that maybe season three could kind of be like an epilogue,
you know, kind of like closing off some chapters here
(05:55):
with the school or restarting it. But especially some of
our character, especially Cpher it's on spoiling thing. He dies
in this episode. He's he's starting to act in a
way where I I guess we'd have to see what
happens at the end of the season. I just feel
like he can't not be in the Boys, you know,
like like the threat they're starting to make him be.
(06:15):
And obviously the answer to that is maybe we just
kill him off the season and that's how you close it.
But I'd very much like that not to happen, because
I've said before Midnight mass there's other stuff. But I'm
a big Hamish Link Later fan, and I think his
character is I'll say his performance of the character is
really fun to watch because I think he does such
a good job of being apathetic and then also coming
(06:40):
off as very powerful but then also coming off as
a very threatening at the same time, with like a
hint of comedy. I think he's just so great and
runs the gammick of all these different emotions. So I
think he does a really good job. And anytime he's
on screen, I'm always intrigued to go, Okay, how is
this gonna play out? What are they gonna do in
the scene, how's he gonna up and somebody? And like
you said, I think eventually that that will be the
big moment where something happens where you know, people get
(07:02):
the better of him, but they're making him out to
be a big threat right now, and I'm really enjoying that.
I'm enjoying the things. Finally, I think they've chosen a
road with a k character, and I think this was
a good starting to build it because I think, you know,
again minors spoilers that I feel since season the end
of season two, they've gone back and forth, and I
don't think in a good way of Okay, is this
(07:22):
character gonna be on the bad side or going to
be on the good side? And I think it was
not done like, oh, it's a gray area. I think
it was done in a messy way where it's like
I couldn't understand this character's motivations one way or another.
I think they've finally picked a path now and I
hope they stay on that and this is it's not perfect,
but I think this is better and works well. I
think there's some good dynamics with the characters. So a
big reveal at the end for just one of our
(07:44):
characters in like a really fucked up moment. So yeah,
I'm very curious it's gonna have next week. I guess
I got some predictions but I don't want to say
in the spoils, but yeah, we saw other layers of
OD going on here. So no, I thought this was
a really good episode. I really enjoyed this when this
fu by, and I'm very excited for next week. And yeah,
I think, uh, I can't remember season one all the way,
(08:07):
but I think season I remember the first half the
season was really rocky. I think there's some stuff in
the season that has been clunky, but not as much.
I think I can so far say that I have
enjoying it more so far. So yeah, I think I
think that's where I'm going. But yeah, what is anything
else non spoilers? Nope. Okay, So ladies, gentlemen, we'll be
(08:29):
back right after the sad break and we are back.
So what do you want to start with? Taytherfield?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Oh, my goodness, you know what. We'll start off simple.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I got him off guard. He's asking me about gen v.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Oh, no, what do I think We'll start off with
the I can't remember his name, but the boy his
brother died. He's going to see his parents, Sam, Sam?
Thank you? Yeah, so Sam's going to see his family, which, yeah, curveball,
we get to learn a little bit more about his history.
The parents thought he died, parents tried to visit him
when they saw he was alive, and they weren't allowed
into the school, weren't allowed to see him, all that
(09:11):
kind of stuff. So there's definitely a lot going on there,
and I like where it ended up with him kind
of making peace with his his parents. I honestly thought
how it was going to go though, was he was
going he was being reported by the mom bought it's
gonna come take him to Almayra.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And you remember X two, right? Do you remember X
two with Bobby and Rogue when they go to visit
his family and then his family calls like the police
because he's munant, think family?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I remember that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, So I felt like a play on that because
same thing, like oh, and I was hoping that wasn't
the case. But I guess she was just legitimately ordering
a pizza.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I guess we never know is a fucking phone?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, well I think we know because he pushed that
and they still wanted to make good. But yeah, I
think that's where we talked about the beginning the season,
where Sam I was very I was just wondering what
they're gonna do with this character, and I still I
thought he was gonna still be the reason they got
out of the prison. Obviously we'll talk about that or
in Spoils territory, but I thought he was gonna finally
have a moment. I mean, I gotta help my friends.
(10:11):
Maybe that's still coming, but I did really enjoy it
because we already know. I think I don't think it's
I don't think it's anything new to learn, Like oh,
Vat would do this terrible stuff where they're doing experiments
on this kid and they say he's dead and then
they bring him back and all the parents like this
all tracks for Vaught's stuff. But I think with the
differences in the Boys, I think we see those characters
(10:33):
so far removed from that. Right, Like Homelander talks about
his Chadah traumas. I'm not gonna say he's over that,
but he's already the man that he's become, and that's
the way he's gonna be. I'd say the only character
that's close to this probably is maybe Ryan, you know,
his son, where it's like that's a character who's young
and impressible and he's being pulled both ways. So with Sam.
I think it's the same way as far as he
(10:53):
has bunch of his life blanked out now with his
memory and his family, because he's like, oh, you don't
have anything of you know, from you. I'm a teenager,
this like, well, we thought you were dead. There was
nothing to keep. And I liked that the moms just
seemed nervous about the situation, and at the end, she
explained herself, I wasn't enjoying the just kind of stereotypical
route of oh my god, my son's a freak. Like
(11:14):
I get that, we see a lot of that, but
I feel like I buy that less now, especially in
the world that they've set up where soups are like
running stuff you wouldn't have. I feel like people wouldn't
feel that about their kid unless they did something bad.
And obviously Sam has done some bad things, but it's
not to his control, which I like to explain that, Hey,
you know, you had a mental illness and we thought
we did this so you could have like so you
(11:34):
know it could maybe help you, where tons of other
parents just did the experiments on their babies to you know,
see or get some money, you know, like just for
whatever reason. At least this kind of gave them a
reason that I could believe in of being a good parent,
of your wanting to try and help. Maybe it was
the bad decision at the end, but no, I think
everything was great, the look backs and seeing all the photos,
seeing the wall with their heights, and I think it
(11:56):
endured the same character a lot to me as far
as last season. Even the first few episodes just made
him like, Okay, he's on the bad side now, but
it showed how messed up he is of a character,
and lots of it's not his fault. So now it's
just a question though, of what's gonna how can you
help this character right, because obviously Kate was just nolling
his mind. You don't exactly want to just do that
(12:16):
all the time. I'm not sure if it's kind of
there's some gen vi anti depressants like in our world.
But I did really like everything. I liked the dynamic
with him, him and the dad and uh so, yeah,
I'm interested to see I feel like he is gonna
come back to the good side. Now. She's gonna be
a question to see if em and him will reconnect
or if she's moved on. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
That's something too. I would have liked to have seen
a little bit more play out with just how Kate
and him just were against humans. At the end of
that first season, we really didn't get anything expanding upon that.
I mean, the only thing we got is that storyline
that you were enjoying so far, where you have that
muffin stand coffee stand lady just dealing.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
With it, which is kind of gone now that happen
episode three, and yeah, I guess it's I guess only
two weeks, but I thought that was gonna be.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You were thinking Emma and her were going to be
a thing.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But yeah, but even then too, you said her and
this guy.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh yeah, did you see it in this episode?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, but it came off as awkward because to me,
they were playing like they had no chemistry because it
like looked like she was almost like waiting for him
him to kiss her, and he's like okay, But like
they kind of played him off as a dufus a
little bit, So I still.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He's a he's a he's a shy kind of you know.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I think he was like you didn't get it, So
I I don't think he's the end game I think
there's still some.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
There're shy men out there, you know, that's it happens.
I think I'm shy.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And then there's Dufus and I think he was coming
off kind of defacy. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
We'll have to see because it's it's gonna time out. Well,
I get a little side attention here because Emma told
him to go see Polarity if you don't hear back
from us, which he's not going to, and now he's
gonna catch Polarity having this seizure or the stroke, so
that's gonna time out. Well, I'll probably save polarities life. Yeah,
but yeah, no, I think I think them not focusing
(14:02):
on the narrative of Kate and Sam hating on these
humans and whatnot. It would have been nice to get
a little bit more expansion on that. But it is
what it is, and it's here we are. I mean,
Kate's definitely turning around, and if she wasn't before, I mean,
the fact that they all got locked up trying to
save her is definitely gonna sway Kate to their side
(14:23):
for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So they did kind of sacrificial play thing where it's
even Emma didn't really want to do it, but still, hey,
if we're all gonna go down, we're gonna go down
with the ship. I think the good thing that's where
To me now, I feel like they are trying to
get her back on the good side, because, like you
said before, I think they put Sam and Kate on
the hating human side, but they never had those characters
(14:44):
really outter that stuff, right. It seems like Kate was
doing that out of fear, because even when Kate got hurt,
it was like, oh, you've got to tell Vaught because
they're gonna do this, this and this too, right, And
Sam seemed like he was just kind of brainwashed. So
at least now I think we've gone the answer and
they've proven it that they didn't they're not like Team
Homeland or they were just maybe doing that out of
necessity and it was easier. But to me, you know,
(15:06):
you can always change stuff up. When they did everything
they did to Kate in the opening episode of taking
your arm off, making her take her wig off, you know,
having the people like you know, have her bend over
and put something in here, putting the call on. To me,
that was like a full humiliation of the character in
a way where you do feel bad for this person
no matter what they've done before, and the fact that
(15:27):
the characters did come to help them does help. So
to me, it's not just like, oh, she got thrown
in jail and then they go and save and we'll
figure it out. This was like, Oh, look at what
we're putting this character through, and no matter what she's done,
you start to feel bad. And you also see like
all the scars she has over time, Right, so a
lot of bad shit has already happened to Kate so far.
So I think now they've put her on the hero
(15:48):
side and I like that now can be the true
redemption path because I feel like they last season and
even this season, it was kind of all over the
place right for wanting to help out. But then when
she got back to school, I get it because they
let her die, but she's like, fuck these kids, I'm
gonna like whatever, and then she turned again to help
them out with the teacher. It's been very wishy washy.
I think now she's with the crew and I'm liking
(16:10):
how they dude, and I think Sam will be back
with the crew too. Maybe they just did that last
season to kind of like put some drama for a cliffhanger.
But I think now they should be backled together. And
I really like the actress as Kate. I think she
does a good job. It's just the stuff, and I
continue to really enjoy what they're doing with the powers,
the powers that she can mind control people, but it's
completely like a yacht sea.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Raan fucking got me when she's like the guy walks
in and she's pretending to be fake dead and she's like,
drop your keys. She's like okay, and it fucking got me.
I thought, oh wow, her powers worked now, But just
that quick cut to him just shanking his fucking school
with the keys.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I will thank you then, and then the eyeball pops
out or the other one too, and she said, like,
you know, uncuff me and leave the room, and he
just like taser's his dick and everything. Like I But
I really I think they'll get I think I'll get
back to her powers, but I I don't. I'm not
tired of this joke yet. I like because it's a joke,
but it's also just fun in the scene because you
(17:07):
just don't know what's gonna happen. I think maybe one episode,
maybe two would be pushing it, but I do like
because you just never know what's gonna happen, right or
even then I'd like if she did, then the person
like went to attack her or one of her friends,
I guess should kind of go all over the place.
But yeah, that has a layer of unpredictability. And yeah,
so at the end this episode, they I guess near
(17:29):
the end everyone goes to save her. The whole time
I was like, this is a trap. It's a trap.
They open up the like the chimney wherever that is
like some sort of entrance and it's just paved over,
and she's like, see you fucking trap and then boom,
like a smoker in eate pops and it was and
they literally put them back and it's it's funny because
we talked about how the beginning of the season it
(17:49):
felt a little easy that they all got out of prison.
It kind of feels like this is almost just like
episode two, episode one of the new season, way right,
because it put them right back in prison and they're
having to work together like this. It was like the
episode that should have happened when we kicked off the
season of them trying to escape out of the prison.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
But it's just felt like I thought that's what we
were getting. I thought immediately cut to like a flashback
of the end of season one where Okay, they're all
arrested and we're just gonna get that episode of how
everything went down.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
But no, they're put right back in prison, Like that's
what it was. It was like, yeah, you're in prison.
Here you go. So that's just like, Okay, that's an
interesting choice. So that's where it felt like they wanted
to set some new characters up. But really we did
want to do a prison breakout episode. And that's the
best thing too. When this is happening, they get like
Emma makes this play and then Kate make this plan.
They get out, they go to save Marie and oh god,
who's the who's the person that's Jordan? Yeah, they get
(18:39):
get them, and the Jordan Wright way is like, hey,
there's no guards, something's wrong. Alarm goes off, and they
bring up this good thing of well, what if this
is what they wants to do or what if they're testing,
Like that's a great thing with this facility. You don't
know what's going on of how much they're allowing how much.
There's not, but they do reveal that they have Marie's sister,
and that's gonna be the ploy of And I actually
enjoy this where uh Cipher goes, hey, this time you're
(19:03):
gonna help us out with this, no bullshit. This time
you do anything, it's over for your sister or for
your friends. This is the very last chance. And I thought, Okay,
we're gonna have like two to three episodes of Marie
doing stuff, hurting people that she doesn't want to dramatic
like guilty hero. And I'm not saying that that's a
poor story, but it's just a predictable story. But I like,
already the end this episode, they're breaking out, they're trying
(19:25):
to get her out, and when she was dead on
the floor, I was like, geez, like what a I
was not expecting that. But then Marie closed her eyes
starts to use her power. Was she like using was
it just because they're in the radius of her that
the other characters heads was hurting or was she taking it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I I took it like.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Iking some of their life. No, it's close.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Proximity, I'm assuming because I'm either way, I see it's okay,
and I could be totally wrong, so don't quote me.
She's just controlling the blood that I'm making the blood
heal faster, right, And so I mean obviously when she's
doing that, everyone else is just fucking hurting their heads.
My head was hurting just watching the scene, so I yeah,
(20:10):
I wasn't sure what was.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Going on there. And then they use all that to
heal and bring her sister back. So it's it's interesting
to see what's gonna happen there because we have wasn't
there just another character this season that was were they
brought back from near death? Or am I wrong on that?
I feel like, wasn't there someone We're talking about Cipher
healing people or something I thought we thought about. Maybe
(20:33):
we just speculated with Marie as a baby, I don't know,
but yeah, she brings her back, and then that episode
ends and faces black. So they had the sister, poor
sisters just fully again that it's over for you, treatment
of having no idea and just Cipher in the corner
of her house pretty much adducting her and all your
sister's a evil soup in their mind, right, we got
to help you out, and yeah, faceback. I think next
(20:55):
week We're gonna not the whole episode, but I think
the first ten fifteen may twins and it's gonna be
like a really action packed episode. I think it's gonna
be them breaking out and then I don't know what
happens real they back on the run, because I just
feel like they can't go back to this.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It's all part of Cipher's plan. He's gonna be like,
all right, you did exactly what I wanted you to do,
Like this is like this was the test he it's
and that's where it's just it's predictable and it's just
bothering me. And again they're they escaped and the whole time,
Jordan's like, oh this is a trap, don't trust this,
and you know, everyone gathers and it's like okay, well,
Annabeth cut like throat cut, it's one hundred percent like
(21:33):
just it's the trending, it's the whole thing. Spher just
as the entirety of the time, it's like I wish
we could have done this at the school, but I'm
gonna do it here. So as soon as this happened,
it's like, okay, well now he's gonna pull them out
because this is what he wanted.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, but again I don't like because I just feel like,
then everything that happens in the show, there's three this
will be the fourth instance of just low stakes where
something is really happening, but the way they get out
of it's very easy. You know, the speech or like
them in prison of the first time, Jordan's speech really
didn't go anywhere right, and it's like, oh, they just
don't know what they're talking about. The big fight last
week where it's like, oh, well, maybe gonna kill someone,
(22:07):
and now we're not gonna end now this it's just
that's four big things in a row where the resolution's
very easy for our characters because it just feels like, well,
we can't kill anyone off because we already like we
lost the Andandre actor and we got to wait for
a finale or something. Because I thought one point Jordan
was gone, because when Jordan went into that control room alone,
I thought, uh, oh that's it's over for them. But
uh interesting fact there when Cipher. I really enjoyed that
(22:28):
scene when Cipher gave the rundown to Marie and then
went to Jordan, and Jordan's like, hey, when you're control
me can feel the pain. I feel like you're in
pain all the time. Don't know what's going on with
Cipher because it's just like that's going on. We don't
know what's happening with this burned, scarred person that's in
a tube and in the bathtub. So it's like, does
he have some sort.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Of voyeur little cock?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah? Like does he his eyes are wining when that
was going on, But like, does Cipher have some sort
of condition that way where his like his body's gonna
break down like that? Because she says, you're in pain
all the time, So I don't know, but yeah, I can't.
I remember that character's name. I'll get it while you're talking.
But it was that character who is the Maybe i'll
just find out now, let's see a female genius the Boys.
(23:09):
But she's from the Boys the last season.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, with the Deep or she like dumb herself down.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Right with the sister Sage is what the character's name was?
What's her you, Susan? Okay, Yeah, she was with the
Deep and I guess the Deep, you know, can't always
be a pledgeable experience. And yeah, she's right, she had
to dumb herself, don't give herself a little bomby her
brain would heal. But yeah, that's where I felt with
Cipher's potential powers of knowing all this stuff. He stabbed
himself in the hand, and I don't know if that's
(23:38):
gonna same thing we talked there was something that's why
he has that cup. It's like why you set yourself
in the hen. I can't remember it was, but there's
something in that first three episode Blockchair we did talk
about with Cipher healing and doing something. And even then,
it looks like he could be trying to heal this
like burned person up. Like there's something to his powers
that I feel that might have something to do that.
Maybe that's why he's trying to do something with himself.
(23:59):
But yes, Sister Sage was in here. She's like one
of Homelanders like master planners and everything, and they're having
some sort of relationship. She's helping him out, and that's
where I felt, between the powers things going on and
now Sister Sage, I feel like, unless he dies, which
is very likely, I feel we kind of maybe have
to see Cipher at some point in the Boys. But
(24:19):
I could be wrong, might just be a hope, But yeah,
what do you think about the storyline that seemed together
some sort of couple, and they're also helping each other
out in a way we don't exactly know yet. But yeah,
what do you think about this appearance here?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely enjoyed it. I think it's
always fun to get these kind of crossover characters popping
up in the show as well as being in the boys.
So when she popped in here and her relationship with
Cipher crazy got the shows to the Garden Home, that
came back again for this episode. But yeah, yeah, like
(24:51):
she's not she's not dumbed herself down. Cipher is obviously
not controlling her, but she's actively just she likes to
sleep with Cipher while she stares at this old burn
victim guy like, well his father.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Is what he said? I think, right? So did he Okay,
I miss that?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Then I thought he said that because I thought before
when he was like talking to Kays like my father
says hello or something like that in the previous week's episode,
I have to I might have to revisit that. Either way,
just quite quite a scene. So they clearly both have
their own motivation, well, they have motivations for dealing with this,
(25:31):
but they are sharing them, so they're on the same side.
And yeah, they clearly are keeping things a secret from
Homelind or they don't want Homelinder to know about Marie
and all that kind of stuff. So it'll be interesting
to see how this does unfold. I'm I'm curious and
I'm unsure what's again, what's gonna happen with this partnership
and where it's gonna segue. But you're thinking Cipher is
(25:55):
one of the Boys, one of.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The No, I think just be in the Boys, like, okay,
again the TV show, not the group, like I just feel.
But I also feel like there's a chance he could
just die in this season, right because Marine literally said like, hey,
I'm gonna show you with this ultimate power, and that
would make sense of if Seifer lives in this show
and he's already working with Sister Sage, I feel like, hey,
why is he not gonna appear at the Boys at all?
(26:19):
But that's to me, why, Okay, you kill him off?
And maybe he's a big bad so I don't think
he's gonna live. But I'd like him too because he's
an interesting character and I would love to see him
interact with Homelander because I don't like too because I
feel like he would be I feel like he'd be
one of those characters that Homelander has a weakness to
that get on her skin, and I feel like he
could do that. But he could also just be very loyal,
(26:40):
like the way Sister Sage is pretty loyal to Homelander. Right,
she might say someone gets under her skin, but it's
not a way to offendim. Its a way to be like, hey,
this is way it is. You gotta change this is this,
or we're gonna lose or you're gonna lose. Right, So
it makes him feel infuriou but I remember there's times
where they'd have a conversation and it feel like he
would start saying things that Sister Sage would say to
be kind of like, oh, like this is how we
(27:00):
should do It's like, well, that wasn't your idea, Homeland,
or was somebody else's right, So I feel like, uh,
Cipher could also be that where he would be an ally.
I don't actually know if there'd be a power struggle,
but my worry is that he just, uh, yeah, he's
gonna die.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I yeah, I think he could die, And I still
do think Jordan will be uh not making it out
of this this season. I just have a strong inkling
because of all the fake outs of their death. Well
they're near death, I guess I should say it. But yeah,
I think that there's a chance that they will not
make it out at the end because there needs to
(27:34):
be some kind of heavy steak. And I mean I
thought they were killing Kate at the beginning of the season,
but that didn't happen. So I think that there needs
to be some kind of trade off when we get
to the end here, not like the first season. Everyone
can't make it through. I know, Oh my goodness. So
the gentleman that passed away, I can't remember his name,
the superhero name and characters name and yeah, the character's name.
(27:58):
So I mean I that they used that event as
a narrative moving forward.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, and they called back that this episode, right, she
showed her the where he died, which was like and
also they hit we didn't talk about it. They he
had a scene with the dad, which I was happy
about because that was when my cons at the beginning
was both ways like just boughter them being like, why
aren't they suss with this dad and Cipher knows exactly
what's I just asked you what you want to know?
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But I mean, like I don't think Cipher knew it originally,
but in there and then the dad like it's and
it was so predictable and easy to suss out because
the Dad's like, oh, so how do you do all
your train with Marie?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
It wasn't the most smooth.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
What about Emma? You know, he's just laying it out,
playing his day, and so I kind of bothered me.
I wish he played his cards attle bit more. But
I like when he, you know, the knife goes up
and he's just like threatening, threatening him, like what about
my son? And they talk about old Field experiment all
that kind of stuff didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Which I am curious why he just, like I want
to see more because when he is just like, oh,
do it and he doesn't do it, I still am
kind of this point like why wouldn't he just do it?
You know, like he's gonna be on the run soon.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Maybe he controlled Maybe Cipher was controlling. I mean, it's
all Hi Kenned. Maybe Cipher is controlling him and making
him realize that he couldn't go through with it. Maybe
he was gonna send the knife up and actually kill him,
but maybe Cipher took control of him last minute because
Pard he's just not able to move the whole time.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right, So yeah, no, I don't know. And then obviously
he was having like another seizure against I think that
to me is just the thing where it's like if
if he has a short amount of life span and
these seizures might catch up to him, then he's like, well,
just just take this fucking guy out, you know, just
you know avenger Son, Obviously we'll see he has maybe
(29:46):
a greater role to play. I think that's my only
hang up as far as the characters like Jordan going
is just because they lost Andre. I don't know if
they want to lose another character. If this show is
ending with season two and they don't plan on doing more,
and maybe some of these characters move the voice, which
actually don't think will happened on the cameos, then sure,
But if they plan on doing more seasons, I don't
think they want to lose another main character right now.
(30:08):
If anyone lose, I think they'll it will be the Dad.
He'll do like a sacrifice play. And I do agree
with you. I think if even though they've been through enough,
if it was one of the kids or the students
I was talking sidher this way, you might believe like, ah,
you're kind of dumb on train. But the dad, like
he just asked them was obviously Oh, it's just so powerful.
How did you do that? And then even when he's like, oh,
(30:28):
you just want to you know, oh, he says, I'm like, oh,
you really want to know about me because you've been
going around the college asking for my paperwork and asking
all these my employees' personal questions. And then when he's like, oh,
but just continue on, the dad still like talks to
him in a way that sounds very fake. He's, oh,
I just want to know. Like Cipher clearly just like
laid all the cards on the table, like if he's
already saying, hey, I know you're asking a bunch of
(30:49):
people around me. He knows like you're up to something else.
So I wish that scene was played a little bit differently,
or honestly, I just wish that they sat down, were
having a normal conversation and Cipher open up with, oh,
I hear that you're doing a lot of digging into me.
And that that's it. Then you make the dad look
less bad because you're like, oh shit, he got caught
with his pants down, But it's not because he overplayed
his hand by being like, so, how are you so
(31:10):
good at trading? Marie? It's like, well, now, like I
don't know, just it felt a little easy. But yeah,
when he stabbed his hand and then put in a stake,
that was a that was a good.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Little timid shot.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah. So yeah, again, I really continue like the the
Cipher character and what he's up to and stuff, and
he's always ahead of somebody, and see what's gonna happen
when someone's ahead of him?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So yeah, is there anything we have?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
We talked about Sam, We talked about Emma with that dude,
We'll see what happens there. They didn't kiss. We talk
about Kate, we talked about's sister there. I I do
like that. That's the other thing too. There's two things.
One the Jordan and Cipher stuff. They were definitely trying
to evoke like a sexual assault as far as like
(31:53):
going through that experience, which I thought made sense because
there's someone literally controlling your body. But again, what I
worried about last week, which they did do. I like
that there. When the episode opened, it was Jordan being
so mad that he or she could not stop him
that they made them do it. I was so worried
it was gonna be like, you almost killed me? What
were you doing out there? Like it was in a
situation where Marie had to do that to stop her life,
(32:14):
and true she did go overboard, but she's new with
her powerslol, Right, So I like that. Yeah, there was
some tension, but it wasn't necessary that they were just
so mad with each other and was like, well, don't
talk to me for an episode. It was like they're
just both mad at okay fox Ifer, we gotta take
him out now. I like that was it, because there
easily could have been a whole two episode arc of
Oh I don't really trust Marine now she almost killed me,
and look up powerful she had. Now, I feel like
(32:37):
I'm more warranted that at the end of this episode,
when Marie might have almost popped their heads by just
trying to heal somebody, I don't know if they'd be mad,
but maybe bring up some concern hey, like, maybe you
don't do that again, because you could have maybe killed
all three of us, you know, it's like, great, you
want to say your sister, So that, to me, I
feel like is more tension building because it's Marine making
that choice versus for free. Marie was like defending herself
(32:58):
in the situation, right, like you don't know what gonna happen.
So I liked all that, But I don't have any
more notes, do you?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
No, I think we covered next year. We talked about Sam,
talked about Elmira and all that, so I can't think
of anything else.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, no, it don't be gross out this episode. I
feel like they said, which I think is always good
in Boys and GENV where you're gonna have an episode
last week where Emma's in the toy bowl and Cipher
sits down, you see everything, and then this week none
of that. It's like, there's still gross up, but none.
That's really it's not the humorous stuff, And especially when
you're introducing the prison and Marie's sister, I think it's
a better route to go more serious. So I do
appreciate that. Of course I like those yucks, but sometimes
(33:41):
you don't want the show to go too overboard.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
So yeah, for sure, Yeah, all right, well there you go.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
We'll be back next week. To talk about episode six.
See what happens is like, yeah, this prison, see what's
going on with Andre's dad and all the stuff. So yeah,
we'll be back next week. If you have any theories
or anything we missed, let us know in the discord
or the patroon YouTube, Twitter, all that stuff, and I
will be back next week. And I promise you he
will not be boring.
Hello, ladies and Jim and welcome back to the gen
V season two review series. I am the bathe Trust
Now I'm joined.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:28):
Remember, and we should have done this a long time
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Speaker 1 (01:38):
Do we get a holiday after?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, I but been on the wait a second, where's
my count here? It's on the Tuesday though, so it's
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Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well usually then work usually bumps into the stat to Monday, though,
is that true?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Think?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I think this year has been full of Tuesday holidays,
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I'm gonna hit that. I'm gonna say Taylor told me
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(03:25):
what did you think of this episode? Episode five? Some
I'd say, I'd say some big stuff going on, lots
of revelations. Because what there's only three episodes left after this,
so I fink we're starting to already heat up a
bit here, We're yeah, no, there's only three episodes left
after this.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, so this episode, yeah, it had some developments, It
had some interesting push forwards here and then the other
downside that I'll say is that some things were just
way too and expect anticipated or just repetitive. I feel like,
(04:03):
and this isn't a spoiler, when it comes to Cipher
as a character, they they make you think like, oh,
our characters are doing this, but now it's just every week,
it's just a constant Cipher knows what's going on. Oh
we're ahead of the game. Oh da da da da.
That like he's always on top of things. And they
always make like a big point like, oh, like whether
it's this character engaging with Cipher, this character doing this,
(04:26):
it's like, oh, well, we can expect it now because
he's always on top. So I'm sure I'm hoping that
maybe they kind of like subvert your expectations with that
soon because he can't always come out on top. But
I guess we'll see. But some things are just like
predictable in this episode. But that being said, I do
enjoy one arc that I was apprehensive, but well, once
(04:51):
we kind of got into it and just massaged it
a little bit, I was like, Okay, yeah, I'm actually
like I'm jiving with the with the story and this
character in particular, so I'm definitely interested to see where
we're gonna go because as far as the main like
secret background narrative is going on, the main heavy hitter,
they alluded a little bit more to that, and they
(05:15):
kind of give us they didn't really give us an
answer on one thing. They showed us a bit more,
but they didn't give us any insight as to what's
really going on with it. But there are a couple
of surprises though in this episode that we're definitely welcomed
in the greater world of the Boys. I'll say so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, no, I really enjoyed this episode. I think this
might be this might be my favorite of the season
so far, now that it's like, oh, some of the
best televisions, it's the one I enjoyed the most. I
think steaks are going really high fast, which is good.
I still question. I guess it's like we've troughtbably before
that maybe season three could kind of be like an epilogue,
you know, kind of like closing off some chapters here
(05:55):
with the school or restarting it. But especially some of
our character, especially Cpher it's on spoiling thing. He dies
in this episode. He's he's starting to act in a
way where I I guess we'd have to see what
happens at the end of the season. I just feel
like he can't not be in the Boys, you know,
like like the threat they're starting to make him be.
(06:15):
And obviously the answer to that is maybe we just
kill him off the season and that's how you close it.
But I'd very much like that not to happen, because
I've said before Midnight mass there's other stuff. But I'm
a big Hamish Link Later fan, and I think his
character is I'll say his performance of the character is
really fun to watch because I think he does such
a good job of being apathetic and then also coming
(06:40):
off as very powerful but then also coming off as
a very threatening at the same time, with like a
hint of comedy. I think he's just so great and
runs the gammick of all these different emotions. So I
think he does a really good job. And anytime he's
on screen, I'm always intrigued to go, Okay, how is
this gonna play out? What are they gonna do in
the scene, how's he gonna up and somebody? And like
you said, I think eventually that that will be the
big moment where something happens where you know, people get
(07:02):
the better of him, but they're making him out to
be a big threat right now, and I'm really enjoying that.
I'm enjoying the things. Finally, I think they've chosen a
road with a k character, and I think this was
a good starting to build it because I think, you know,
again minors spoilers that I feel since season the end
of season two, they've gone back and forth, and I
don't think in a good way of Okay, is this
(07:22):
character gonna be on the bad side or going to
be on the good side? And I think it was
not done like, oh, it's a gray area. I think
it was done in a messy way where it's like
I couldn't understand this character's motivations one way or another.
I think they've finally picked a path now and I
hope they stay on that and this is it's not perfect,
but I think this is better and works well. I
think there's some good dynamics with the characters. So a
big reveal at the end for just one of our
(07:44):
characters in like a really fucked up moment. So yeah,
I'm very curious it's gonna have next week. I guess
I got some predictions but I don't want to say
in the spoils, but yeah, we saw other layers of
OD going on here. So no, I thought this was
a really good episode. I really enjoyed this when this
fu by, and I'm very excited for next week. And yeah,
I think, uh, I can't remember season one all the way,
(08:07):
but I think season I remember the first half the
season was really rocky. I think there's some stuff in
the season that has been clunky, but not as much.
I think I can so far say that I have
enjoying it more so far. So yeah, I think I
think that's where I'm going. But yeah, what is anything
else non spoilers? Nope. Okay, So ladies, gentlemen, we'll be
(08:29):
back right after the sad break and we are back.
So what do you want to start with? Taytherfield?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Oh, my goodness, you know what. We'll start off simple.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I got him off guard. He's asking me about gen v.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Oh, no, what do I think We'll start off with
the I can't remember his name, but the boy his
brother died. He's going to see his parents, Sam, Sam?
Thank you? Yeah, so Sam's going to see his family, which, yeah, curveball,
we get to learn a little bit more about his history.
The parents thought he died, parents tried to visit him
when they saw he was alive, and they weren't allowed
into the school, weren't allowed to see him, all that
(09:11):
kind of stuff. So there's definitely a lot going on there,
and I like where it ended up with him kind
of making peace with his his parents. I honestly thought
how it was going to go though, was he was
going he was being reported by the mom bought it's
gonna come take him to Almayra.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And you remember X two, right? Do you remember X
two with Bobby and Rogue when they go to visit
his family and then his family calls like the police
because he's munant, think family?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I remember that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, So I felt like a play on that because
same thing, like oh, and I was hoping that wasn't
the case. But I guess she was just legitimately ordering
a pizza.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I guess we never know is a fucking phone?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, well I think we know because he pushed that
and they still wanted to make good. But yeah, I
think that's where we talked about the beginning the season,
where Sam I was very I was just wondering what
they're gonna do with this character, and I still I
thought he was gonna still be the reason they got
out of the prison. Obviously we'll talk about that or
in Spoils territory, but I thought he was gonna finally
have a moment. I mean, I gotta help my friends.
(10:11):
Maybe that's still coming, but I did really enjoy it
because we already know. I think I don't think it's
I don't think it's anything new to learn, Like oh,
Vat would do this terrible stuff where they're doing experiments
on this kid and they say he's dead and then
they bring him back and all the parents like this
all tracks for Vaught's stuff. But I think with the
differences in the Boys, I think we see those characters
(10:33):
so far removed from that. Right, Like Homelander talks about
his Chadah traumas. I'm not gonna say he's over that,
but he's already the man that he's become, and that's
the way he's gonna be. I'd say the only character
that's close to this probably is maybe Ryan, you know,
his son, where it's like that's a character who's young
and impressible and he's being pulled both ways. So with Sam.
I think it's the same way as far as he
(10:53):
has bunch of his life blanked out now with his
memory and his family, because he's like, oh, you don't
have anything of you know, from you. I'm a teenager,
this like, well, we thought you were dead. There was
nothing to keep. And I liked that the moms just
seemed nervous about the situation, and at the end, she
explained herself, I wasn't enjoying the just kind of stereotypical
route of oh my god, my son's a freak. Like
(11:14):
I get that, we see a lot of that, but
I feel like I buy that less now, especially in
the world that they've set up where soups are like
running stuff you wouldn't have. I feel like people wouldn't
feel that about their kid unless they did something bad.
And obviously Sam has done some bad things, but it's
not to his control, which I like to explain that, Hey,
you know, you had a mental illness and we thought
we did this so you could have like so you
(11:34):
know it could maybe help you, where tons of other
parents just did the experiments on their babies to you know,
see or get some money, you know, like just for
whatever reason. At least this kind of gave them a
reason that I could believe in of being a good parent,
of your wanting to try and help. Maybe it was
the bad decision at the end, but no, I think
everything was great, the look backs and seeing all the photos,
seeing the wall with their heights, and I think it
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endured the same character a lot to me as far
as last season. Even the first few episodes just made
him like, Okay, he's on the bad side now, but
it showed how messed up he is of a character,
and lots of it's not his fault. So now it's
just a question though, of what's gonna how can you
help this character right, because obviously Kate was just nolling
his mind. You don't exactly want to just do that
(12:16):
all the time. I'm not sure if it's kind of
there's some gen vi anti depressants like in our world.
But I did really like everything. I liked the dynamic
with him, him and the dad and uh so, yeah,
I'm interested to see I feel like he is gonna
come back to the good side. Now. She's gonna be
a question to see if em and him will reconnect
or if she's moved on. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
That's something too. I would have liked to have seen
a little bit more play out with just how Kate
and him just were against humans. At the end of
that first season, we really didn't get anything expanding upon that.
I mean, the only thing we got is that storyline
that you were enjoying so far, where you have that
muffin stand coffee stand lady just dealing.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
With it, which is kind of gone now that happen
episode three, and yeah, I guess it's I guess only
two weeks, but I thought that was gonna be.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You were thinking Emma and her were going to be
a thing.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But yeah, but even then too, you said her and
this guy.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh yeah, did you see it in this episode?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, but it came off as awkward because to me,
they were playing like they had no chemistry because it
like looked like she was almost like waiting for him
him to kiss her, and he's like okay, But like
they kind of played him off as a dufus a
little bit, So I still.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He's a he's a he's a shy kind of you know.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I think he was like you didn't get it, So
I I don't think he's the end game I think
there's still some.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
There're shy men out there, you know, that's it happens.
I think I'm shy.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And then there's Dufus and I think he was coming
off kind of defacy. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
We'll have to see because it's it's gonna time out. Well,
I get a little side attention here because Emma told
him to go see Polarity if you don't hear back
from us, which he's not going to, and now he's
gonna catch Polarity having this seizure or the stroke, so
that's gonna time out. Well, I'll probably save polarities life. Yeah,
but yeah, no, I think I think them not focusing
(14:02):
on the narrative of Kate and Sam hating on these
humans and whatnot. It would have been nice to get
a little bit more expansion on that. But it is
what it is, and it's here we are. I mean,
Kate's definitely turning around, and if she wasn't before, I mean,
the fact that they all got locked up trying to
save her is definitely gonna sway Kate to their side
(14:23):
for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So they did kind of sacrificial play thing where it's
even Emma didn't really want to do it, but still, hey,
if we're all gonna go down, we're gonna go down
with the ship. I think the good thing that's where
To me now, I feel like they are trying to
get her back on the good side, because, like you
said before, I think they put Sam and Kate on
the hating human side, but they never had those characters
(14:44):
really outter that stuff, right. It seems like Kate was
doing that out of fear, because even when Kate got hurt,
it was like, oh, you've got to tell Vaught because
they're gonna do this, this and this too, right, And
Sam seemed like he was just kind of brainwashed. So
at least now I think we've gone the answer and
they've proven it that they didn't they're not like Team
Homeland or they were just maybe doing that out of
necessity and it was easier. But to me, you know,
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you can always change stuff up. When they did everything
they did to Kate in the opening episode of taking
your arm off, making her take her wig off, you know,
having the people like you know, have her bend over
and put something in here, putting the call on. To me,
that was like a full humiliation of the character in
a way where you do feel bad for this person
no matter what they've done before, and the fact that
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the characters did come to help them does help. So
to me, it's not just like, oh, she got thrown
in jail and then they go and save and we'll
figure it out. This was like, Oh, look at what
we're putting this character through, and no matter what she's done,
you start to feel bad. And you also see like
all the scars she has over time, Right, so a
lot of bad shit has already happened to Kate so far.
So I think now they've put her on the hero
(15:48):
side and I like that now can be the true
redemption path because I feel like they last season and
even this season, it was kind of all over the
place right for wanting to help out. But then when
she got back to school, I get it because they
let her die, but she's like, fuck these kids, I'm
gonna like whatever, and then she turned again to help
them out with the teacher. It's been very wishy washy.
I think now she's with the crew and I'm liking
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how they dude, and I think Sam will be back
with the crew too. Maybe they just did that last
season to kind of like put some drama for a cliffhanger.
But I think now they should be backled together. And
I really like the actress as Kate. I think she
does a good job. It's just the stuff, and I
continue to really enjoy what they're doing with the powers,
the powers that she can mind control people, but it's
completely like a yacht sea.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Raan fucking got me when she's like the guy walks
in and she's pretending to be fake dead and she's like,
drop your keys. She's like okay, and it fucking got me.
I thought, oh wow, her powers worked now, But just
that quick cut to him just shanking his fucking school
with the keys.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I will thank you then, and then the eyeball pops
out or the other one too, and she said, like,
you know, uncuff me and leave the room, and he
just like taser's his dick and everything. Like I But
I really I think they'll get I think I'll get
back to her powers, but I I don't. I'm not
tired of this joke yet. I like because it's a joke,
but it's also just fun in the scene because you
(17:07):
just don't know what's gonna happen. I think maybe one episode,
maybe two would be pushing it, but I do like
because you just never know what's gonna happen, right or
even then I'd like if she did, then the person
like went to attack her or one of her friends,
I guess should kind of go all over the place.
But yeah, that has a layer of unpredictability. And yeah,
so at the end this episode, they I guess near
(17:29):
the end everyone goes to save her. The whole time
I was like, this is a trap. It's a trap.
They open up the like the chimney wherever that is
like some sort of entrance and it's just paved over,
and she's like, see you fucking trap and then boom,
like a smoker in eate pops and it was and
they literally put them back and it's it's funny because
we talked about how the beginning of the season it
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felt a little easy that they all got out of prison.
It kind of feels like this is almost just like
episode two, episode one of the new season, way right,
because it put them right back in prison and they're
having to work together like this. It was like the
episode that should have happened when we kicked off the
season of them trying to escape out of the prison.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
But it's just felt like I thought that's what we
were getting. I thought immediately cut to like a flashback
of the end of season one where Okay, they're all
arrested and we're just gonna get that episode of how
everything went down.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
But no, they're put right back in prison, Like that's
what it was. It was like, yeah, you're in prison.
Here you go. So that's just like, Okay, that's an
interesting choice. So that's where it felt like they wanted
to set some new characters up. But really we did
want to do a prison breakout episode. And that's the
best thing too. When this is happening, they get like
Emma makes this play and then Kate make this plan.
They get out, they go to save Marie and oh god,
who's the who's the person that's Jordan? Yeah, they get
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get them, and the Jordan Wright way is like, hey,
there's no guards, something's wrong. Alarm goes off, and they
bring up this good thing of well, what if this
is what they wants to do or what if they're testing,
Like that's a great thing with this facility. You don't
know what's going on of how much they're allowing how much.
There's not, but they do reveal that they have Marie's sister,
and that's gonna be the ploy of And I actually
enjoy this where uh Cipher goes, hey, this time you're
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gonna help us out with this, no bullshit. This time
you do anything, it's over for your sister or for
your friends. This is the very last chance. And I thought, Okay,
we're gonna have like two to three episodes of Marie
doing stuff, hurting people that she doesn't want to dramatic
like guilty hero. And I'm not saying that that's a
poor story, but it's just a predictable story. But I like,
already the end this episode, they're breaking out, they're trying
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to get her out, and when she was dead on
the floor, I was like, geez, like what a I
was not expecting that. But then Marie closed her eyes
starts to use her power. Was she like using was
it just because they're in the radius of her that
the other characters heads was hurting or was she taking it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I I took it like.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Iking some of their life. No, it's close.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Proximity, I'm assuming because I'm either way, I see it's okay,
and I could be totally wrong, so don't quote me.
She's just controlling the blood that I'm making the blood
heal faster, right, And so I mean obviously when she's
doing that, everyone else is just fucking hurting their heads.
My head was hurting just watching the scene, so I yeah,
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I wasn't sure what was.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Going on there. And then they use all that to
heal and bring her sister back. So it's it's interesting
to see what's gonna happen there because we have wasn't
there just another character this season that was were they
brought back from near death? Or am I wrong on that?
I feel like, wasn't there someone We're talking about Cipher
healing people or something I thought we thought about. Maybe
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we just speculated with Marie as a baby, I don't know,
but yeah, she brings her back, and then that episode
ends and faces black. So they had the sister, poor
sisters just fully again that it's over for you, treatment
of having no idea and just Cipher in the corner
of her house pretty much adducting her and all your
sister's a evil soup in their mind, right, we got
to help you out, and yeah, faceback. I think next
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week We're gonna not the whole episode, but I think
the first ten fifteen may twins and it's gonna be
like a really action packed episode. I think it's gonna
be them breaking out and then I don't know what
happens real they back on the run, because I just
feel like they can't go back to this.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It's all part of Cipher's plan. He's gonna be like,
all right, you did exactly what I wanted you to do,
Like this is like this was the test he it's
and that's where it's just it's predictable and it's just
bothering me. And again they're they escaped and the whole time,
Jordan's like, oh this is a trap, don't trust this,
and you know, everyone gathers and it's like okay, well,
Annabeth cut like throat cut, it's one hundred percent like
(21:33):
just it's the trending, it's the whole thing. Spher just
as the entirety of the time, it's like I wish
we could have done this at the school, but I'm
gonna do it here. So as soon as this happened,
it's like, okay, well now he's gonna pull them out
because this is what he wanted.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, but again I don't like because I just feel like,
then everything that happens in the show, there's three this
will be the fourth instance of just low stakes where
something is really happening, but the way they get out
of it's very easy. You know, the speech or like
them in prison of the first time, Jordan's speech really
didn't go anywhere right, and it's like, oh, they just
don't know what they're talking about. The big fight last
week where it's like, oh, well, maybe gonna kill someone,
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and now we're not gonna end now this it's just
that's four big things in a row where the resolution's
very easy for our characters because it just feels like, well,
we can't kill anyone off because we already like we
lost the Andandre actor and we got to wait for
a finale or something. Because I thought one point Jordan
was gone, because when Jordan went into that control room alone,
I thought, uh, oh that's it's over for them. But
uh interesting fact there when Cipher. I really enjoyed that
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scene when Cipher gave the rundown to Marie and then
went to Jordan, and Jordan's like, hey, when you're control
me can feel the pain. I feel like you're in
pain all the time. Don't know what's going on with
Cipher because it's just like that's going on. We don't
know what's happening with this burned, scarred person that's in
a tube and in the bathtub. So it's like, does
he have some sort.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Of voyeur little cock?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah? Like does he his eyes are wining when that
was going on, But like, does Cipher have some sort
of condition that way where his like his body's gonna
break down like that? Because she says, you're in pain
all the time, So I don't know, but yeah, I can't.
I remember that character's name. I'll get it while you're talking.
But it was that character who is the Maybe i'll
just find out now, let's see a female genius the Boys.
(23:09):
But she's from the Boys the last season.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, with the Deep or she like dumb herself down.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Right with the sister Sage is what the character's name was?
What's her you, Susan? Okay, Yeah, she was with the
Deep and I guess the Deep, you know, can't always
be a pledgeable experience. And yeah, she's right, she had
to dumb herself, don't give herself a little bomby her
brain would heal. But yeah, that's where I felt with
Cipher's potential powers of knowing all this stuff. He stabbed
himself in the hand, and I don't know if that's
(23:38):
gonna same thing we talked there was something that's why
he has that cup. It's like why you set yourself
in the hen. I can't remember it was, but there's
something in that first three episode Blockchair we did talk
about with Cipher healing and doing something. And even then,
it looks like he could be trying to heal this
like burned person up. Like there's something to his powers
that I feel that might have something to do that.
Maybe that's why he's trying to do something with himself.
(23:59):
But yes, Sister Sage was in here. She's like one
of Homelanders like master planners and everything, and they're having
some sort of relationship. She's helping him out, and that's
where I felt, between the powers things going on and
now Sister Sage, I feel like, unless he dies, which
is very likely, I feel we kind of maybe have
to see Cipher at some point in the Boys. But
(24:19):
I could be wrong, might just be a hope, But yeah,
what do you think about the storyline that seemed together
some sort of couple, and they're also helping each other
out in a way we don't exactly know yet. But yeah,
what do you think about this appearance here?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely enjoyed it. I think it's
always fun to get these kind of crossover characters popping
up in the show as well as being in the boys.
So when she popped in here and her relationship with
Cipher crazy got the shows to the Garden Home, that
came back again for this episode. But yeah, yeah, like
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she's not she's not dumbed herself down. Cipher is obviously
not controlling her, but she's actively just she likes to
sleep with Cipher while she stares at this old burn
victim guy like, well his father.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Is what he said? I think, right? So did he Okay,
I miss that?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Then I thought he said that because I thought before
when he was like talking to Kays like my father
says hello or something like that in the previous week's episode,
I have to I might have to revisit that. Either way,
just quite quite a scene. So they clearly both have
their own motivation, well, they have motivations for dealing with this,
(25:31):
but they are sharing them, so they're on the same side.
And yeah, they clearly are keeping things a secret from
Homelind or they don't want Homelinder to know about Marie
and all that kind of stuff. So it'll be interesting
to see how this does unfold. I'm I'm curious and
I'm unsure what's again, what's gonna happen with this partnership
and where it's gonna segue. But you're thinking Cipher is
(25:55):
one of the Boys, one of.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The No, I think just be in the Boys, like, okay,
again the TV show, not the group, like I just feel.
But I also feel like there's a chance he could
just die in this season, right because Marine literally said like, hey,
I'm gonna show you with this ultimate power, and that
would make sense of if Seifer lives in this show
and he's already working with Sister Sage, I feel like, hey,
why is he not gonna appear at the Boys at all?
(26:19):
But that's to me, why, Okay, you kill him off?
And maybe he's a big bad so I don't think
he's gonna live. But I'd like him too because he's
an interesting character and I would love to see him
interact with Homelander because I don't like too because I
feel like he would be I feel like he'd be
one of those characters that Homelander has a weakness to
that get on her skin, and I feel like he
could do that. But he could also just be very loyal,
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like the way Sister Sage is pretty loyal to Homelander. Right,
she might say someone gets under her skin, but it's
not a way to offendim. Its a way to be like, hey,
this is way it is. You gotta change this is this,
or we're gonna lose or you're gonna lose. Right, So
it makes him feel infuriou but I remember there's times
where they'd have a conversation and it feel like he
would start saying things that Sister Sage would say to
be kind of like, oh, like this is how we
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should do It's like, well, that wasn't your idea, Homeland,
or was somebody else's right, So I feel like, uh,
Cipher could also be that where he would be an ally.
I don't actually know if there'd be a power struggle,
but my worry is that he just, uh, yeah, he's
gonna die.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I yeah, I think he could die, And I still
do think Jordan will be uh not making it out
of this this season. I just have a strong inkling
because of all the fake outs of their death. Well
they're near death, I guess I should say it. But yeah,
I think that there's a chance that they will not
make it out at the end because there needs to
(27:34):
be some kind of heavy steak. And I mean I
thought they were killing Kate at the beginning of the season,
but that didn't happen. So I think that there needs
to be some kind of trade off when we get
to the end here, not like the first season. Everyone
can't make it through. I know, Oh my goodness. So
the gentleman that passed away, I can't remember his name,
the superhero name and characters name and yeah, the character's name.
(27:58):
So I mean I that they used that event as
a narrative moving forward.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, and they called back that this episode, right, she
showed her the where he died, which was like and
also they hit we didn't talk about it. They he
had a scene with the dad, which I was happy
about because that was when my cons at the beginning
was both ways like just boughter them being like, why
aren't they suss with this dad and Cipher knows exactly
what's I just asked you what you want to know?
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But I mean, like I don't think Cipher knew it originally,
but in there and then the dad like it's and
it was so predictable and easy to suss out because
the Dad's like, oh, so how do you do all
your train with Marie?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
It wasn't the most smooth.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
What about Emma? You know, he's just laying it out,
playing his day, and so I kind of bothered me.
I wish he played his cards attle bit more. But
I like when he, you know, the knife goes up
and he's just like threatening, threatening him, like what about
my son? And they talk about old Field experiment all
that kind of stuff didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Which I am curious why he just, like I want
to see more because when he is just like, oh,
do it and he doesn't do it, I still am
kind of this point like why wouldn't he just do it?
You know, like he's gonna be on the run soon.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Maybe he controlled Maybe Cipher was controlling. I mean, it's
all Hi Kenned. Maybe Cipher is controlling him and making
him realize that he couldn't go through with it. Maybe
he was gonna send the knife up and actually kill him,
but maybe Cipher took control of him last minute because
Pard he's just not able to move the whole time.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right, So yeah, no, I don't know. And then obviously
he was having like another seizure against I think that
to me is just the thing where it's like if
if he has a short amount of life span and
these seizures might catch up to him, then he's like, well,
just just take this fucking guy out, you know, just
you know avenger Son, Obviously we'll see he has maybe
(29:46):
a greater role to play. I think that's my only
hang up as far as the characters like Jordan going
is just because they lost Andre. I don't know if
they want to lose another character. If this show is
ending with season two and they don't plan on doing more,
and maybe some of these characters move the voice, which
actually don't think will happened on the cameos, then sure,
But if they plan on doing more seasons, I don't
think they want to lose another main character right now.
(30:08):
If anyone lose, I think they'll it will be the Dad.
He'll do like a sacrifice play. And I do agree
with you. I think if even though they've been through enough,
if it was one of the kids or the students
I was talking sidher this way, you might believe like, ah,
you're kind of dumb on train. But the dad, like
he just asked them was obviously Oh, it's just so powerful.
How did you do that? And then even when he's like, oh,
(30:28):
you just want to you know, oh, he says, I'm like, oh,
you really want to know about me because you've been
going around the college asking for my paperwork and asking
all these my employees' personal questions. And then when he's like, oh,
but just continue on, the dad still like talks to
him in a way that sounds very fake. He's, oh,
I just want to know. Like Cipher clearly just like
laid all the cards on the table, like if he's
already saying, hey, I know you're asking a bunch of
(30:49):
people around me. He knows like you're up to something else.
So I wish that scene was played a little bit differently,
or honestly, I just wish that they sat down, were
having a normal conversation and Cipher open up with, oh,
I hear that you're doing a lot of digging into me.
And that that's it. Then you make the dad look
less bad because you're like, oh shit, he got caught
with his pants down, But it's not because he overplayed
his hand by being like, so, how are you so
(31:10):
good at trading? Marie? It's like, well, now, like I
don't know, just it felt a little easy. But yeah,
when he stabbed his hand and then put in a stake,
that was a that was a good.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Little timid shot.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah. So yeah, again, I really continue like the the
Cipher character and what he's up to and stuff, and
he's always ahead of somebody, and see what's gonna happen
when someone's ahead of him?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So yeah, is there anything we have?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
We talked about Sam, We talked about Emma with that dude,
We'll see what happens there. They didn't kiss. We talk
about Kate, we talked about's sister there. I I do
like that. That's the other thing too. There's two things.
One the Jordan and Cipher stuff. They were definitely trying
to evoke like a sexual assault as far as like
(31:53):
going through that experience, which I thought made sense because
there's someone literally controlling your body. But again, what I
worried about last week, which they did do. I like
that there. When the episode opened, it was Jordan being
so mad that he or she could not stop him
that they made them do it. I was so worried
it was gonna be like, you almost killed me? What
were you doing out there? Like it was in a
situation where Marie had to do that to stop her life,
(32:14):
and true she did go overboard, but she's new with
her powerslol, Right, So I like that. Yeah, there was
some tension, but it wasn't necessary that they were just
so mad with each other and was like, well, don't
talk to me for an episode. It was like they're
just both mad at okay fox Ifer, we gotta take
him out now. I like that was it, because there
easily could have been a whole two episode arc of
Oh I don't really trust Marine now she almost killed me,
and look up powerful she had. Now, I feel like
(32:37):
I'm more warranted that at the end of this episode,
when Marie might have almost popped their heads by just
trying to heal somebody, I don't know if they'd be mad,
but maybe bring up some concern hey, like, maybe you
don't do that again, because you could have maybe killed
all three of us, you know, it's like, great, you
want to say your sister, So that, to me, I
feel like is more tension building because it's Marine making
that choice versus for free. Marie was like defending herself
(32:58):
in the situation, right, like you don't know what gonna happen.
So I liked all that, But I don't have any
more notes, do you?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
No, I think we covered next year. We talked about Sam,
talked about Elmira and all that, so I can't think
of anything else.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, no, it don't be gross out this episode. I
feel like they said, which I think is always good
in Boys and GENV where you're gonna have an episode
last week where Emma's in the toy bowl and Cipher
sits down, you see everything, and then this week none
of that. It's like, there's still gross up, but none.
That's really it's not the humorous stuff, And especially when
you're introducing the prison and Marie's sister, I think it's
a better route to go more serious. So I do
appreciate that. Of course I like those yucks, but sometimes
(33:41):
you don't want the show to go too overboard.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
So yeah, for sure, Yeah, all right, well there you go.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
We'll be back next week. To talk about episode six.
See what happens is like, yeah, this prison, see what's
going on with Andre's dad and all the stuff. So yeah,
we'll be back next week. If you have any theories
or anything we missed, let us know in the discord
or the patroon YouTube, Twitter, all that stuff, and I
will be back next week. And I promise you he
will not be boring.
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