Marvel Tokon: Fighting Souls Dream Roster, Marvel Cosmic Invasion | Sidequest - GeekVerse Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello, and welcome to side Quest. This is our weekly
video game show here at Geekbverse, and I'm your host
el must and I am not alone. I've got the
Soul Fighting Travis Snell with me tonight. How are you doing,
my friend good?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Other than I could have no idea, I had no
thoughts on what a nickname should be. I tried, I
looked at it. I know I had the joke about
being the Token Fighter because like a token coin, but
I couldn't make anything work there, so sure just kept
it simple. But other than that, doing good.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, No, I'm excited for this episode because you know,
one of my favorite things to do podcasting wise is
making lists, making rosters, making drafts, all that kind of stuff.
It's always always fun. So we're gonna be doing that
today for Marvel tokon Fighting Souls. Of course, don't forget
that amazing Marvel Fighting game title, which is kind of
perfect timing. It's funny. We so this game was announced,

(01:07):
we had the idea to do a cast like this
before more of the roster gets announced, and then I
saw that the developer was like doing a direct and
I assumed that it would spoil a bunch of the
phone we're gonna have here because they were gonna show
off more characters, and they didn't show any new characters
in that whole direct, even though they had their own
like publisher direct, so that was lucky. But I think
this weekend they might show off more because they announced

(01:29):
that there's an announcement of an announcement happening at EVO
this weekend, so we might get more very soon here.
So I think this is the perfect time for this.
And then we have a couple other kind of topics
to get into it. Nintendo Direct. You know, it came
out the morning that people will be listening to this
episode that will be covered next week on side Quest.
We'll see what happens there. It's a partner direct, so
it could be crazy hype or it could be just

(01:49):
kind of mid. I'm expecting more of mid, but a
good mid, I think. And then yeah, I think that
we kind of just get right into it today. Travis,
What are you even playing lately? Any updates on Donkey
Kong or any other games you wanted to shout out here?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, just a few, just only a little on dunk On,
a little what the girl's been playing? I said, I
would because I learned about it being about some now
I said I would beat it. But I've been really
in the thick of getting videos ready for the GV Day,
which is happening August ninth, So tune that that's starting
at ten am literally today. Must be the way I
was sitting. But my arm like this people don't know,

(02:25):
would be like if you're holding a mouse in your
arm is elevated to the side right now, and I
do that, it legitimately hurts. I've been doing that so much.
There's a lot of editing and clipping. But yeah, everyone
will say the GVD, there's about an hour's worth of
videos that are best of and behind the scenes and
some of our thoughts. So it's gonna be a good
and it could be a little bit more. I'm hoping

(02:45):
to get some other faces to make some appearances or whatnot.
So didn't play as much because I wanted to. There
was one that I really wanted to like no, because
I'm actually like, I think I'm on the last video
for GVD, but I just want it like done. I
just want it nice and locked right to go because
I'm a classic. I'll leave it the same with an
in school, I'd leave it to midnight the night before,
like no, no, this isming, I want to It's ten
year so played a little bit, played like only like

(03:07):
a couple I'll saynbe like four more hours additional, just
kind of like not much of the mains, no more maybe,
I think, Okay, So here it is. I think I
did play four hours, but I'm gonna say really three
because the last hour I was doing just like I
said on the review, I was in a constant loop
of false sleep, wake up, falseleep, wake up. It's and

(03:28):
it was in a lava place. It's right before you
get there. I've unlocked the zebra thing, so we can
quickly talk about that, because I remember you're like, oh
I don't like that. We can talk about when you
get it. But eyes in that.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Spot it's my least favorite. But I don't, okay, dislike it.
I guess is okay.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
But yeah, So I'm in that area and I was
falling asleep, and man, I lost a lot of coins
because I kept falling asleep and falling the lava, and
the lava deals a lot of damage in this game,
like you lose like three and a half parts like that,
So I I got frustrated because it was one of
these things where I just wanted to get to like
a am I idea stopping point you can save at
any point. I just being a psycho of like, I
want to complete this mission and then stop. But then

(04:03):
I came back the next day did more of that.
So I think I got the zebra, and then like
half an hour forty five minutes I did have another
I thought that boss where it's like you had to
kind of dodge throw a brick at them and then
they zoom up with ice and you gotta use the
zebra thing to run up and hit them. So I'm
just like a little past that, but yeah, what's your
beef with the zebra? Still still in fun, but what's

(04:24):
your beef with the zebra?

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well, it kind of goes back to what I was saying,
how everything in this game you can like cancel any
action into any other action. So if you like jump,
if you're midjump, you can like just roll the other
way and you can just do any I feel like
you can even do that with all of the transformation
type movement things, like you can just cancel moves into
each other and it feels super fluid. I just feel
like Zebra is the one that once I get into,

(04:45):
like I start sprinting, I like can't move very much,
you know, left and right, and then I can't like
there's certain moves that you just like can't cancel out
of that. So it just it feels the most rigid,
I guess, whereas the other the rest of the game
is very open and flowy and everything kind of calmbos
into everything. That's the one move where I feel kind
of locked into it when I do it, So I

(05:05):
think that's maybe why it's my least favorite.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
But that's fair. No, No, I like, I'll say I'm
got to the other ones because how many in they're
in total, because I saw something draged you can spoil.
I know there's like an ostrich, right, I think, right.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, you get the ability to fly, so you're gonna
get that one next that's in the jungle, like when
you choose between the two paths, and then there's.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Two more after that, two more after that.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
And the last one you get is I forget it's
actually I think it's the last one might be the fourth,
but that one's definitely my favorite, And so you're in
for a treat after and the Ostrich is also great.
So yeah, you're in for a treat with the next ones.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Okay, well I'm I'm not gonna promisp, but my hope
is I'm not on side Quest until another two weeks
from now. My plan is to one hundredercent have that
done because my thing is like, I'm very looking forward
to one of these nights pretty much after August ninth.
Just chill out. I don't podcast three days after, so
by the time the videos or that, I'm maybe be
playing a lot of that. But no, I'm not fun,
and I agree with you, it's a little rigid. It

(05:56):
should feel a bit more fun to rent around. It
just feels like you're just in a straight line and
that's kind of it. But yeah, other than that, one
night of fall asleep a lot was a pain, and
then on that been playing nothing other than watching the
girls they bust it open. Uh lego. Harry Potter shouts
out to Taylor.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
You know, oh yeah, that was a great game.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. We've we've if you don't know,
we've reformed the Wolf Order for the billion of time.
As a gift, he gifted my children the Harry Potter
Lego collection, uh one to four and five to seven.
So they're playing that and it's good because it's so
funny and it's like, you know, roll on, Harry Hermione
and you like you can kind of think about what
now when just turn eight and then Logan's gonna turn

(06:33):
five out a month, but still you know, eight seven,
five year old. Those times where it might get difficult
and you can't figure something out, you think as an
adult what that might do the kid mindset, So, which
is good because we try to remind them me. It's
a team building game. You're like these three you're trying
to work together. It's gotten progressively better, but there's sometimes
when you can tell a little nonoy each other, like no,
like stand on this thing all you fell off, like

(06:53):
all that type of stuff. Right, So but no, it's
been fun because I think I talked about this years
ago and maybe another time where I'd reported that we
got it was like on games Pass or it was
like the like a free game of the Star Wars
Lego one, and I was very excited to play with them,
but they just were at that point where the camera
control those angles was just too much for them. But
now like a couple of years later, that's no problem
at all. So that's very fun. So I'm very excited

(07:15):
that they're enjoying that game. I've only played a little
bit because me and Emily when they did like the
remaster for PS four, we played through that. But I
think I'm gonna play it again with them soon. I'm
just kind of letting because it's just a two player game,
so I'm kind of letting them get their druthers, but
me and Emily are there to help out. But probably
when they have to go replay submissions, I'm gonna get
back in there. But yeah, it's been fun seeing them
do that. I'm excited they like the Lego games because

(07:37):
there's just like a plethora of stuff we can jump into.
Lots we already own, but there's even some like I
never played The Lord of the Rings. One, never played
An Jones, I never played Pirates. I'm not sure how
easy those are to accumulate right now, even on Anybay,
though I'm sure they'd be easy to find just playing
Xbox or something like that. But yeah, so no, there
have tons of fun of that, and Lego Games is

(07:58):
the few amounts of time I've played with it. It's,
you know, still just like a It's like chicken soup
for the soul. You'll sit down and you just like
you get nestled at it. Man, I love these games,
and I kind of wish there'd be more. We don't
have this in the news thing, but I'm really hoping.
I think we shared in the discord. There's a rumor
going around that they're making a a Batman one, but
it's gonna be like the Harry Potter game where they're

(08:18):
tackling the movies. So instead of like Lego Batman, it's
gonna be like the Keyden Ones, the bail Ones. If
we get a pat someone Man. Yeah, and I said
to Emily, the most obvious one they got to do
like Lego Batman, right there has to be a Lego
Batman level or roll or whatnot. Or so that's just
a rumor right now. I think it's like a Sea
Tier in the game world. But man, I really hope

(08:39):
that'd be true, because I know they're kind of getting
away from lots OF's licensed properties, but I miss I
miss that feeling of a Lego giving a new one
because I remember even you know, whenever it came out
when me and Emily cracked up in the Marble Legos
one that was doesn't matter, we're not kids, but that
was a ball. We had tons of fun playing that.
So I hope that that one's true and if not,
like I'm not getting the Horizon one, that one doesn't

(08:59):
really to me, but I hope that something Lego property
comes out again or something classic. But yeah, so that's
just more don Con and dipping the toes back in
some Lego Harry Potter right now where they're on, they
just finish Azkaban, so they're going into the fourth game
right now.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
So yeah, yeah, I was thinking, like, I feel like
those are pretty good in terms of like you know,
three D third person kind of games. That's a good
one because you don't have to worry about the camera.
I feel like that's a big blocking point for a
lot of like new gamers is like moving your character
and controlling a camera at the same time can be
a mess. But with Lego games, they kind of have
the set camera angle and then if you like walk

(09:34):
too far away from the person, it'll like split the
screen in half, and so you're never getting like dragged around,
which is which is nice. So yeah, I feel like
those would be good early games, and obviously they're kind
of designed for kids and adults alike.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
So yeah, Plus, you don't like when you die, you
just lose some pieces, right, you don't like die die,
so that's always no.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Donkey Kong, you don't lose like five hundred gold ingots,
you know.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
No, have you ever gotten to the point I've never
gotten this? Do you know what happens in don Kon?
If you were like lose the hearts and then not
having a coins, Like, I feel like that's un like
impossible to do because you're at least always I feel
like around five hundred if years walking by stuff. But
I wonder what happens.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I wonder if the game if it does a game
over and like makes you reload your save. I'm guessing
you just like, yeah, get stuck at zero and then
you're kind of kind of hooped. But yeah, yeah, I
haven't happened. Haven't had that happen yet.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Let us know if that's happened to you out there?

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay for me, I kind of just
have some updates. So Donkey Kong, after you beat the game,
there is like this side quest feels like the wrong
word for it, even though that's what the show they're
on right now. But yeah, there was like this other
kind of bonus challenge missionse thing that opened up across
several of the levels. You kind have to go back
and revisit some of them, and there's some hidden secret
things or like I don't know, maybe these quests opened

(10:44):
up like when I went to further layers. I don't
know if I couldn't tell if it was like when
I rolled credits, or if it was earlier and I
just didn't go back to the levels. But there's a
few extra things to do, so I've gone back wrapped
up all that. I think I'm done with the game now,
Like I didn't get one hundred percent completion or anything
like that, but I did all the what I kind
of consider the interesting stuff in there. So yeah, I
think I'm down. I've put it down at this point,

(11:05):
but I'm excited to have that kind of spoiler discussion
with you when you finally get through the ending sequence
of the game, because there's still a lot of things I
want to share about the game, but I don't want
to spoil them. And then Astrobot Astrobot had pretty much
through the last few months. They've been dropping levels every
once in a while, and I think in July or
over the last month or so, they've dropped the last
I believe it's the last set, because at the end

(11:27):
of it had like this big, like thank you for
playing thing. It seemed like, Okay, this is the final
update for this game at this point. But yeah, man, Like,
over the course of just the last few months, they
added like, I don't know, fifteen twenty new levels into
the game. A lot of them aren't quite short, but
I just added a bunch more in there. And I
feel like if I had any criticism of Astrobot, it
wasn't even really criticism. It's just like when I was

(11:48):
done the game, I was loving it so much. I
just wanted more, like a little more challenge, and I
feel like that was kind of what the mission statement
was with these DLC maps. Some of them were really hard,
really tight platforming, getting you to reuse different powers, even
used in a while, like good variety in there, adding
in fun bots, you know, other fun crossover characters and
things like that. So just amazing deal scene. All of

(12:09):
it was was free, of course, and just dropped intermittently.
I'm I feel like I'm like a little bit sad
now that I probably won't be getting any more updates
for that game until like the sequel comes out at
this point.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
But but yeah, what.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
An amazing game. Was already one of my favorite three
D platforms ever, and now that all the DLC isn't
in there as well, is just an even better and
stronger game. So I can't recommend that game enough. It's
really fun to go back and revisit that one one
more time and then just a quick update here. But
I'm still playing a bunch of death threading too, oh
a bit. Yeah, yeah, I because I think at this

(12:41):
point I've decided I'm going to try and get all
the trophies in there. And so there were some trophies
for like specific side quests that take a long time
to unlock because it requires you to get like certain
star levels with certain people, like you need to get
four or five, or like the ghost Hunter for example,
he has a lot of side quests and like every
time you get a new star level with him, unlock
this new one pretty much, so I've completed all of well,

(13:02):
i haven't got five stars with ever right now. But
I think I've completed all those bonus side quest things
that open up, which is oftentimes like new different boss
fights that weren't in like the main story or anything
like that. So I've completed all that stuff now. The
only thing I need to do now is get five
stars with all the people, and then a few more
of the elimination missions. Like sometimes you'll be giving a
quest right like a suborderor whatever that's like just defeat

(13:23):
this enemy camp or something, and they're so freaking rare
you just need to get ten of them. I've been
playing the game for like seventy hours and I still
don't have ten of those completed, just because of how
rare they pop up. So I just need to get
like two or three more of those, and then you know,
five stars. The five stars, I'm not in a rush
like that might that might take me to the right
end of the year. I was thinking of even maybe
saving the Snowy Mountain section for like the winter, to

(13:44):
like close it off then or something. But yeah, it's
just I think right now, like I you know that
I'm done with Donkey Kong. I was looking at like
the release calendar and there's like not a whole lot
coming out in August and the next like until like
mid late September for me, and then there's gonna be
a ton of things. And so I'm in a bit
of a lower period here where I don't know what
I want to play it. It seems like a good ton
to knock some things off the backlog, but also death

(14:05):
Stranding at this point is like a good turn off
my brain and just kind of go through and deliver
some packages and you know, listen to a podcast or
something on the side. So yeah, still playing a shit
ton of Death Stranding, and I I still have a
lot of the criticisms I have with it, And then
I wish the game like push me more and use
some of its new mechanics in a like, I don't know,
more forceful way, I suppose. But I still just love

(14:27):
that basic gameplay loop. It's it's fun, it's satisfying, and.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
It's too addictive to the same way. I will say,
I can't remember if I said this on sid quests.
I tell you that I did do the ghost Hunter mission.
Do they tell it on air, because.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Like the one with like the race lap thing.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, I think so I did do that because I
did find in the network or on the menu, there
is a way to turn off the Chiro network, So
that was good.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
I didn't I noticed that too because every time I
go back to him, I have to turn it back
on because I just kind of leave it off. And
so yeah, it's like a funny quirk, but I actually
think it's a really interesting gameplay into story mechanic, Like
that was a fun reveal, like it it was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
I like that. Yeah, so I finally did that. It
took me a little bit because I went like where
I was on the whole other side of the map,
so I had to go there. Can say sometimes fast troll,
but really not because I just like I like to pick,
Like there's always stuff to pick up, right, So it's
like the next time you visit this person and you
have five random things that star me or just goes up.
So it's not a game. I I think I maybe

(15:25):
trans fast like twice in it this time, like this
go around like not like this play just like the
whole gaming I did, because just there's always stuff out
there and I feel like now I'm a master at
avoiding the bets or I know how to maneuver them
and whatnot. So went all the way over there. But then,
of course, so then I found that out because I
did yeah YouTube that found that out, did that, and
then I went to that mission where you did the

(15:46):
race there. But of course it's like, well, you gotta
come back at night time, that's where the accidents are something.
Oh my god, I did that, like so it's like
it was quite a journey. But again that's why I
like what desk stranding is. The basic thing can be
a journey, just depending on the time you're playing it.
And that was really fun and it reminded me a lot.
It's it's funny the movies up coming in October, but
like tron Aris with those bikes and everything we around,
it felt like that with the racetrack and no, I

(16:08):
thought that was really cool. And that's one that I'm
very happy was not locked or one those like oh, sorry,
you went too far, because it's not like earth chattering,
But there's not really anything like that really in the game,
Like I can't remember. There's times where we used the
bike and there's some action, but this was really a
particular like an action bike level.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Director's cut of the first game didn't they add like
some races or something.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, they did.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, and I just maybe that was the closest because
even that's righting too. Even though it's a more vehicle
it feels more vehicle focused. Yeah, I feel like there
wasn't really much like that and after I don't know
if you've encountered them again, but like those bikes will
just randomly show up sometimes on the highways and like
fight you now, Like it's just like a perme.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I had that happen once. Yeah, and no, I like that,
and like I said, it's one of those things where yeah,
and the director's cut, Like I I enjoyed what I
did back then, but I just felt like it was
like weirdly tacked on it. Just I don't know, it
never felt too natural to me when I got that's
where some Yeah, I didn't love it like kind of
some other people. But no, I was very happy I
did that and that was tons of fun. And uh yeah,
I will probably pick that back up because I feel

(17:07):
like I have what is my I have my gaming
schedule right here because I'm trying to stay on it.
Let me just put an awin.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Wait, are you still using backlogged or you just have
like your own little note sheet kind.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Of backlog I have, and then this one I just
have for I think backlog. I just have the games
I should reorganize. I have the games that I need
to play, but right now my notes, I have what
I'm doing. Yeah, August I just left empty because I
just want to do whatever. So I think August is
just gonna be more Donkey con and desk strand that's
pretty much it. And then September is Alan Wake two.
That's my plan to do that kind of transition into

(17:39):
the horror season because I really want to play number two.
But I was like, how weings right around the corner
do that? So yeah, no, cause I think I'm l
with you. There's not much that I'm like unless something
gets announced in August that I'm dying that I have
to get. So but uh yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Mm hmm. Well let's uh. I wonder if this game
we'll get announced to come out in August. But Marvel
Cosmic Invasion got a new trailer. It's not gonna get
a release state that soon. That would be that would
be crazy. But it just got a new trailer which
showed up a couple of new characters and still doesn't
It's still confirming twenty twenty five, but still hasn't picked
an actual date, which is annoying to me because I'm
very excited for this game. For anyone who forgets, this

(18:15):
is kind of like the the beat him Up Marvel
game Pixel game that, like I think the TMT trailer's
revenge team is working on this one. So it has
like that same beautiful pixel art and animations and has
a roster, a pretty different Marvel roster than like other
typical Marvel games. He has a couple of classics in there,
but because of the cosmic side of it, they're bringing
in some of the some of the weirdos out there,

(18:36):
which I really like. And so the two new characters
they showed off here in this trailer were Silver Surfer
and Beta ray Bill. So I'm very excited for both
of those, because even Thors in all these games, but
I think it's fun to throw Betarey Bill in there
for a little mix up, and then Silver Surfer obviously
that's really fun. I feel like he is a character
that has not actually really appeared in that many Marvel
games over the years, Like I'm thinking about like Ultimate

(18:58):
Alliance or you know, talking about fighting games. We'll go
and get into that soon. Like just kind of underrepresented
for how popular and interesting and unique the character is.
And obviously it's yeah Silver Surfer time with Fantastic four
First Steps just coming out, So this is really cool.
And I mean I was already get this game day one,
but now I'm gonna get it day one. Minute one.
I don't know how I can do one of that,

(19:19):
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Second one, just like a yeah. For me, it's one
of those things that's odd because I feel and we'll
maybe talk about it in a certain roster later or whatnot,
but I just feel that he is one of he
or even she, because I feel like, yeah, that's something
that at least went away for like non losers, was like, oh,
I don't know, they're not doing the mail one and
then after that four other than I'd say some people
be like I wanted more and be like, oh man,

(19:41):
I love Shaala Ball, you know. So I think the
for me, Silver Surfer is in that type of trying
to think who else would be okay, like DC's Doomsday
or Marvel's Venom, where it's just a character that just
looks cool and has a fan base a feel that
maybe I have not even read a comic, read one
single comic of Silver Surfer, but they go, oh, I

(20:02):
love it. I think Eve Kirkle wul admit to that,
like Kirkle's never read a Silver Server comment, but he's
always like I'll take as much Silver Surfer as I
can get. Like that fan bases.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
For like the weirdest reason, where like my dad growing
up has collected like the Marvel Trading cards, and I
would always look at those and like I didn't read
the comics or I wasn't watching many of the shows
at that point, but I would just see the characters,
see their picture, read the abilities, and like, you know,
be a kid like pretend all these characters. And I
always remember that of all the cards my dad had,
Silver Surfer had like the most stacked stats. So I've
always been like, oh, Silver Surfer is the most powerful

(20:33):
character in all the Marvel universe. So I'm excited to
feel that power. And when I finally get this game.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, no, it looks cool. Like I said to you
before that I think this is on the list, but
I think it'll be on the list to purchase when
it's on a deal or whatnot, because especially now the
girls older. We had a fun time with the Power
Rangers one, and this one I think will be even
better because Power Rangers one was like a I think
the one we played was a kind of like a
remaster with his ground up. But man, it's just like
I don't know where, Like I don't know where we
are in the next few years, but I'd love to

(21:00):
do an Extra Life or something with that type of
theme to the colors, like just the art style and
the colors. Man, it pops so well. And like you
said that, like the retro style as well. Yeah, yeah,
it's a retro style and it has like a nice
like HD Version two, which is great, which you can't
do with some of those remasters. Right, It's like, Okay,
it looks as nice as you can. But because this
is ground up is great. And no, I love the

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roster of she Hall Beairay Belt. So like, you know,
these are things that you know MCU five years ago,
you know, these could have been billion dollar franchise. Maybe
not as much now, But I love that it's a
weirder team because we get so much of the other
characters all the time, right, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, and then I think at one point, I don't
know if they've shown this before, like Hella is in
there as a boss bite, which I feel like any
game that has Hella boss fight always a super fun
boss fight. She's just a great villain to have in
that kind of role, So cool to see her in
there as well. Seah, I'm very excited for this game.
I don't know if there's much else to break down
from this trailer because it's kind of just more of
the same and all that. But yeah, just loving the style,
loving this and yeah, really really looking forward to one

(22:01):
of my most anticipated games for the rest of the
year for sure. And yeah, the last one from that
team Team and T was on game Pass, so I
wonder if this will also Maybe that would hit that
there and you could jump in.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, a bit more easy, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah cool. Okay, how about with that we take our
first break and we will be right back. Okay, we
are back. So Marvel Tocon Fighting Souls is the newest
fighting game from Arc system Works, who made Dragon Ball
Fighter Z and Guilty Gear. Now they're making a Marvel game,

(22:35):
and yeah, what we're gonna do here is similar to
what we've done before many times. We're gonna make a
kind of a dream roster for who we want to
see in this game. Not a prediction of who we
think is gonna be in the game, but our dream
roster who we most want to see. And maybe there'll
be some overlap between a dream roster and like an
actual prediction of it. So right now, there are eight
characters that are announced for the game. I'll mention those

(22:56):
in a minute, and then we're each gonna pick. We're
gonna pick twenty four over all to get in there.
When I looked at their last couple of games, uh,
you know, Dragon Ball Fighter Z and Guilty Your STRIVEE.
Both those games started with around twenty four characters as
the roster, and then with DLC got up to like
thirty two forty something like that. So I think thirty
two is a good number for us to aim for.
We'll kind of pitch it as like, okay, maybe the

(23:16):
game does start with just like twenty twenty four, but
then I think, you know, well, this is definitely a
game that I'll have dlcavery fighting game does. It makes
a whole lot of sense assuming this game does well,
which I'm sure it will to some extent, and I
feel like, especially you know, this game is a four player,
four man tag team battle situation, which I don't know
if any fighting has ever done that, but I feel
like you need a big roster to satisfy people, being

(23:37):
like I always have to pick four characters, so I
feel like you need.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Something there too, you know, yeah, exactly before, So.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I imagine this game will get a pretty big roster.
And obviously Marvel there are hundreds of characters or if
not thousands, that you could pick from to put in here,
and they already have a couple kind off the wall characters.
But before we do that, I just really for fun,
because I like doing all this nerdy stuff. I went
through and looked at every single Marvel fighting game that
has ever been made, and I charted all the characters

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that are in that game, and then I, you know,
put in a spreadsheet pretty much to determine like who's
the most common and who's been in like all these games,
who has only appeared once, who has never appeared in
a fighting game before? So I'm gonna go through that.
There's one exception, which is Trevis. Have you heard of
the game? Marvel Contest of Champions, say app game, it

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was a phone game, but it actually just recently launched
on Steam as well, like they finally poured it over.
But this is a Marvel fighting game that has like
three hundred characters or something crazy in it. I downloaded
the game on Steam and tried it, and it's very
loop boxing, right, Like it's very slow to unlocked characters
and not like give a nice character selec screen and
it sucks. I mean it's a phone game, so like

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maybe if you're playing on a phone, maybe it's maybe
it's good. It's pretty good visuals for a phone game,
but like literally you can't even there'sn't even like a
walk button, Like you literally you can swipe to like
attack towards your opponent or you can swipe a way
to like roll away, and then there's like two types
of attacks, and then there's like a super attack when
you've like filled up your bar, and that's it. Every
character plays the exact same like it's the all the

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exact same mechanics, exact same feel. It's just like different animations.
So for the sake honestly, because it kind of throws
all my numbers off. If I account all three hundred
of these, so I'm just disregarding that game. I'm not
counting it because to me, it's like barely even a
fighting game, like you can't even walk in it. So
it's to me, I'm not counting it. Okay, So people,
you know, you can dispute this if you want. But
for me, the way I wanted to do this, I

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didn't want to chart three hundred people in all this,
so there's too much for me to do, so that
that is the I guess exception you could say to this.
But the games I do have here on my list
are of course Marvel Token Fighting Souls. The first ever
Marvel Marvel fighting game was X Men Children of Adam
in nineteen ninety four. We got Marvel Superheroes from nineteen
ninety five. We got X Men Versus Street Fighter from

(25:53):
nineteen ninety six, but I didn't even know existed. You know,
that was kind of like before Marvel verus Capcom. They
just did like very specifically X Men and Street Fighter, right,
so six rosters.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, that makes sense because the X in the nineties
it was Spiderman X Men, and it really X Men
ran game in that company, so that that makes complete sense.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
So yeah, it was just cool to learn that. Like
before Marvelous Capcom there was kind of like the you know,
more specific delineation there. There's a game called Avengers in
Galactic Storm from nineteen ninety five. We got Marvel Superheroes
Versus Street Fighter nineteen ninety eight, the first Marvel Verus
Capcom in nineteen ninety eight, Marvelous cop Camp two, and
in two thousand, X Men, Mutant Academy from two thousand,

(26:31):
X Men Mutant Academy two from two thousand and one,
X Men Next Dimension from two thousand and two. They
were just spamming them in those three years. Marvel Nemesis,
Rise of the Imperfects in two thousand and five, and
then a huge gap here in twenty eleven Marvel Verus
Capcom three, another huge gap, and twenty seventeen Marvel Verus
Capcom Infinite. So obviously, back in the day, games were
much quicker to make, and you can see that just

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directly in this chart how there were so many games.
Between ninety four and two thousand and five, there was
like ten games, and then since then we've only got
two games, which is kind.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Of shows the landscape of kind of. Yeah, I think
both brand and the genre, right, Like, not that if
games are not successful, but it takes very specific type
of game games in general, right.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
So, and even on top of that, like it's been
over twenty years since there's been just a Marvel fighting
game like without Capcom involved. That's which is which is
what's again ignoring Marvel Contest of Champions, absolutely ignoring. So
I think the way I want to do this is
by first quizzing you a little bit. Give me who
you think, like the top five most common characters in it,

(27:35):
who who have been in the most amount of games here?
And I guess the total number that I have here
is what is it? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.
There's fourteen games that I have on my list. So
who do you think are the top five most common
characters to appear in these games?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Well, if you were to go by the Marvel Capcom
collection game I had, I'm Blackheart. But I'm not going
to go just off of that. You know, a wild character,
I'm gonna say spider Man is in top five.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Spider Man is right on the cusp of top five.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, damn oh Okay, I got that in the the Okay,
Wolverine would be next because I feel like I'm always
seeing those claws on a box art. Okay, so I
got those two. I feel like I'm gonna go for
an easy another easy one for at least in the
ninety is gonna throw the the Hulk in there.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
The Green Machine Hulk is not in top five.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I had a feeling that if he was, he is
more at the bottom. But Dank is the nine number.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
So he's he's close. He's in the top ten, close,
but not quite top five.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
The next I don't want to say iron Man, even
though let me laugh, that's it, but iron Man we've
seen in multiple games. Iron Man was on there, but
war Machine was, and he was a tier character. I'm
gonna say, is Cap top five?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Cap is top five?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, because he's a street fighter. Okay, let's see here.
I'm trying to think who else can I'm trying to
think about who encapsulated the nineties and then who was
more over again than the later ones. Oh, I'm gonna
go with I don't know what I'm gonna go for again.
What we're just talking about that fan base is venom

(29:13):
in there the venom.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Venom is not he's like fifteenth ish.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Oh really, okay, I thought it was okay because in
the nineties that Gap Horn play, he was in all
of them, so I thought he would be those and
then the ones later.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
So, okay, do you want a hint or you wanna
keep going here and I'll do a couple more and.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Then see if I can get a hint here. Actually
I'll take one hint. Actually no, I'll just because it
is Storm, one of them Storm. Yeah, I thought so,
just because like the big you know, Powers project as okay,
So I got four right now, I got so I
need one more. I'm gonna try and not do a
hint because that my hint was gonna be is there female?
And I'm not gonna ask. Let me see if I
can get at least a couple more yet. So that's

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another X Men character. I just don't know if anyone else.
I'm gonna say, because he's been on a bunch of covers,
is Cyclops one of them? Is he in the top five?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
No? He top ten though, where he's actually pretty high,
but he's not. He's actually six super high.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Just I just feel like there's so many covers of
who's the guy the black hair and the white in
street Fighter? Or is the street Fighter or CapCo who
he's like, he's in one the Smash games too? Is
it Reeu or something like that?

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Oh real, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
There's so many covers of you know them going off
because I guess their main character energy. Okay, Damn Scott
was six. Okay, I'm gonna try and do one more
and then I'll start asking for some hints that narrowed
down because his problem is, like I think we got
two X Men in there and the nineties popped up.
I'm just having a problem who could be that last one?

(30:44):
So I'm gonna take a Seawan that I'm gonna take
a Sewan the Dark and say Magneedle is one of.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Them, Magneto is the last. Top five was definitely the
hint I was gonna give of, like, just think about
all those X Men games they were spanning, so it
kind of boosts all the X Men characters more than
you would kind of expect if you think about more
recent history.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Of Marvel Verus Cap Company, and I feel like those
three characters always make it in when they just still
do Marvel games. Right, because Storm and Wolverine like Wolverine's
eight tier guy, Storm, Great Powers, and Magneto. It's like
a class like who if you name the top four
villains of Marvel, it's like Him, Loki, Thanos, and one
of spide these guys.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right, So yeah, who do you think is number one?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Who?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Out of those five? So I guess yeah, from Storm, Magneto, Wolverine,
cap Spidey. Who do you think is number one?

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Who's been I'd say Wolverine.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
It is Wolverine.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, makes sense. The only ones said there's sixteen games.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
No, you haven't linked My list is either thirteen fourteen games.
The only ones he's not in are that Avengers in
Galactic Storm game, because I guess that was very specifically
only Avengers. He was not of the most recent Marvelus
capcom which is funny because I probably had like one
of the biggest rosters. It's funny too because that game,
I feel like from Marvel Verus capcom fans, everyone loves
three and everyone kind of hates that newest one, And
I wonder if that's why. I wonder if the roster

(31:58):
was kind of off it to not have Wolverine feels
like a really strange choice. And then he's not announced
yet for Marvel Token Fighting Souls, so that you know,
is it likely he's gonna be in there. Maybe, but
he's not quite in there yet, so that actually hurts
his number, So we'll see if that gets upgraded. But
even Storm is in.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
I was just gonna say Storms if no X Men were.
But I think he's getting this loot. I think I
think it's happened. I think he's just that's a high pick,
you lean back a little bit.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
So yeah, So I on my list here, there are
eighty two characters that have been in fighting games over
the years. I'm gonna go through all of them because
you know, that's what we're here to do. We're here
to have fun. So, as you mentioned or as you
kind of predicted, there, Wolverine in number one with eleven appearances, Magneto,
Storm and Cap all with nine appearances, Spider Man round,

(32:45):
you know, the top five with eight appearances, and then
we have Cyclops, the lone seven appearance guy, so he's
been in quite a few good for him. And then
for six appearances, we have Gambit, Hulk, Juggernaut, and Iron Man.
So Gambit, I feel like kind of appearing more than
I would have expected. Once again, all these X Men
fighting games in the nineties, I guess that makes sense.
Boosts the numbers a bit. For five appearances, we have Silock,

(33:10):
Doctor Doom, and Sabretooth.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Okay, so yeah, sil like sneaking there, but again, nineties
very popular.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
For four appearances, we have Sentinel, Shoe McGrath, Rogue, Venom,
and Phoenix. So obviously it's funny when we're going through
that collection, like Shoe mc gore ath just in all
these games.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, Phoenix should be higher, like like obviously she's not bad,
just me like in general, you'd think she'd be there.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
But and also, yeah, Rogue, I can't recall seeing her
in one of these games, but I'd like to see
what that move set looks like. Yeah, in terms of
like if they take the power stealing part of the
character or if she's just punching and kicking and flying around,
not too sure. And then okay. For three appearances, we
have ghost Rider, your Boy Omega, Red, your other boy, Blackheart,

(33:57):
that knows Beast, Misty, and Toad. Toad's been in three
fighting games, not Mario's Toad, but the uh of course
the Poison Spitner. Okay for two appearances. We have Colossus, Iceman,
Service Surfer, Spiral war Machine, Pyro Forge, Havoc, Nightcrawler, Dor

(34:18):
Mamu four, Doctor Strange, Hawkeye Nova, and Rocket Raccoon. So yeah,
thor only before games great and actually the two most
recent Marvel Verus Capcom games. So until like twenty eleven
or whatever, he had never been in a Marvel fighting game.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Which seems pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah. And then here's the people who've only appeared in
one game. This, this is a big list here, So
Miss Marvel and star Lord who are in Tocon that's
their first appearance in a fighting game. In the new one,
we have Black Night, Crystal, Thunderstrike, kath Thac, Doctor Minerva,
Shatter As Supreme War. I don't know, like all of

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these freaks were in one game. They were all in
that Avengers in Galactic Storm game, so there was like
a bunch of villains who were like all those ones
pretty much. We have specifically, Armor spider Man is like
a different spider Man on this as a character. Mephisto
Us Agent has had one appearance. High Speed Venom is
a different variation of it. We also have hyper Armor

(35:19):
war Machine as a different variation. We have Cable Marrow
Apocalypse Professor x Bastion Betty also known as Kwanan, who
I believe is Silock's sister or Silock's apprentice or something
like that. We got Bishop Blob, Dark Phoenix as a
different variation on Phoenix, Lady Death Strike, Daredevil, Who's had Yeah,

(35:42):
there's one appearance, Elektra, Human Torch and the Thing. But interestingly,
Mister Fantastic and Sustorm have never appeared in a fighting game.
We got Deadpool. Deadpool only has one appearance in all
his history. We got we got Modoc, she Hulk, Super Scroll,
task Master X twenty three, and Iron Fists or sorry,

(36:04):
I have a few more actually, but iron Fist here
was one that shocked me. Black Panther has only appeared
in one game. Yeah, Black Widow, Captain Marvel also shocked me.
H Gomorah, Ultron, and Winter Soldier. So those are all
the characters that have ever appeared in a fighting game except.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
For Vision Couple.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, I have a Yeah, I made a little list
of of some big omissions.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Here, but modowks in there, Modoc oh, yeah, we gotta
have at Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
The biggest omissions for me ant Man, Wasp, Scarlet, Witch, Quicksilver, Loki.
Loki's never been in there, Vision shun Chi. I don't
know if that's a big snub just because he's is
he newer character.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I feel like he did take a big deal to Newish, Yeah,
Newish for sure.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Uh, Moonnight, Luke Cage, nay More, Squirrel Girl, Punisher, Kingpin, Green, Goblin,
Gwen Orbiles, Blade, Groot, even though Rockets appeared a couple
of times, Mister Fantastic two Storm, Silver Surfer, Yolena, you
know that's what maybe not shocking, but she'd just become
bigger lately. Magic Adam Morlock, Hella Morbius I put on

(37:09):
this list too. He's never appeared in a fighting game.
So so yeah, like quite a few kind of shocking
ones who have never never made an appearance before.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, there's a couple like a Blade, especially in the nineties,
that feels kind of odd because Blade was like he
I guess Blade actually is at ninety nine, there were
ninety eight let me see Blade film. It's actually pretty
late in yeah, ninety eight, so still there probably could
have been one more game made like that. Early aughts

(37:37):
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
So I think, yeah, if there weren't so many X
Men games and there were more just like Marvel games,
and I think you would see a lot more variety.
But because it was like a lot of X Men
and stuff, that's where you get a ton of the
like the Blobs and Toads who were like, really those
guys made it a fighting game over fucking ant Man.
But yeah, like you, when you think about the context
of it, it kind of makes a bit more sense. Okay,
So the current roster for Toke is Captain America, iron Man, Ghostwriter,

(38:02):
spider Man, star Lord, Storm, Miss Marvel, and Doctor Doom.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, but what do you think about that roster? Obviously
we talked about it when the game was announced, but
how are you feeling about that now that we've been
kind of marinated on it for a couple of months.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, well, because that was the tough thing because I
looked at it earlier today when we were talking about this,
and I tried to find a character kind of bass like, Okay,
which route they going, But they're not really going, like
really not at all. The pure fighters, right, It's just
like like old school where it's just like, Okay, we're
just doing a fighting game, but it's lots of people
of different powers. Like you got Captain, Like, yeah, sure,

(38:36):
CAP's a fighter, but then the rest of me got
like Iron Man, Big Machine, you got star Lord, there's
some tech and boots, Storm, doctor Doom, like there's a
lot of variations.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
There, straight up fist fighter in here.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Really CAP's the closest, right but even then, like I
would like, he's got the shield, but like that's the
closest we get to that. Sin's where it's like, okay,
it's not that. And then as far as a vibe,
they're not really to me, the vibe was I'm not
saying off of a back bad way, but to me, the
vibe was thrown out the window when you had Doom
and Ghostwriter in there, because ghostwriters, that's a did you

(39:06):
have the stats of ghostwriter? Is this his debut or
has he been one other one?

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Let me fine on this.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
And even before while you look at that like doctor Doom,
usually that's something like look at Marvel Alliance the ghostwriter. Okay,
so even then I'd still say that. Okay, So even
then before that, too, i'd say that's not like a
deep cut but a deep cut for a roster game, right,
there's probably much more bigger characters that you could throw
the entire X Men on there before a ghost rider. Right,

(39:35):
So when you had a ghost writer and then Doom Doom,
to me, showing a villain right away, that's unique because
obviously they're not the same company, same game. But to me,
when you did the role from all Overall to Wliance three,
that's when they like they withheld those villains to the
very end. They didn't really talk about them being played
until like Magneto, Sure, but maybe has been good and bad.
But it's like you got Loki and Thanos and yeah,

(39:57):
we're this opposite right first revealed. Now you got a
villain here, which to me is for them telling you
there's gonna be more. It would feel very silly for
them to say doom and he'd be the only villain
on there. That to me, something you do at the
very end then, right, like, hey we got one bad guys.
So that's where the vibes are completely off because it's
all different type of types. You got space characters, street characters,

(40:18):
villains and then Avengers and then you don't have a
bunch of fighting characters and then you have some random
picks because the rest of them cap as we said,
like He's He's up there, caps Inspire Man, no surprise there,
and I'm in nowaday. I put those in the no
surprise category. Storm to me that they're not a big surprise.
The biggest surprises other than Doom and being a film

(40:39):
was you could say, Miss Marvel. But at the same time,
like people love that character, maybe it's not the.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Most financially maybe more surprising.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I agree with you. I think he's probably the most surprising,
even though it's tough because those Guardians movies got so
popped there, right, so I feel like they're not the
Deadpool slot, but they feel like that sometimes where it's like, well,
we gotta get the Guardians there because people love the Guardians.
So yeah, no, I'm I'm very curious what they're gonna do.
But I think this shows that one not like anybody's
not off limits, and two there's not a specific vibe

(41:10):
as of right now they're going with.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
So yeah, yeah, I think the only one for me
that like, on a personal level, i'd be fine if
they booted would be iron Man, just because I never
really like Iron Man in any video game. I just
don't find it very fun character It's true. I mean,
I'll definitely I'll definitely try them out, check them out,
and obviously think like character wise, popularity wise, it makes
a lot of sense you got to put him in there.

(41:32):
But even like someone like star Lord, who maybe move
set wise, I'm not like super inspired by Oh what
are all these moves gonna be? But I just think
it's cool that it's his debut in a fighting game,
So that's exciting for me anyway. And yeah, Miss Marvel,
I think is gonna be like a really fun move set.
I think there's always a lot of potential there. And
she has been super fun in Olden Nance three in
the Avengers game, Like, she just her move set works

(41:52):
really well for video games, and so I think she'll
be really fun. And I like her art style that
they've given her too. She's a good fit.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Do you think it made this a transition? Some talk
of the roster, But do you think her being in
there destroys the chances of Reid being in there?

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I think so. I think that too, especially because she's
not like hard light Miss Marvel, like she is stretchy,
big arms, flinging around Miss Marvel, So yeah, I think,
I I wonder because obviously dooms in here. Do you
think like they maybe would want a counterpart, But I
don't know that four might be cooked on this roster.
I don't know if they're gonna make it in there
at least that launch. Like maybe they do an F
four DLC pack and they literally put all four of

(42:28):
them like out together. That would be a cool, big moment,
But yeah, I don't I don't know if any of
them are gonna make it in there. And obviously, as
I talked about, like only thing in Human Torchu, I've
had one appearance. Sue and Reid haven't had any. So
I don't know what it is about the Fantastic Four,
But they don't seem to inspire these developers in the
in the fighting game sense.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I think that's the tough read read. I don't understand
the past because Miss Marvel wasn't around, right, Sue, I
understand because you have some other characters like Ajeen Gray
or Yes Scar which are even storm as far as projectiles,
all like, I can see, like, okay, similar the thing,
same thing I could see when especially in a lot
of those older games, Venom was always a tanky character.

(43:05):
He had Hulk, you had Juggernaut, so and then you
started Adam Thanos. I could see why Thing never got
the put in there. And that's where because you said
it was human torch and was it uh, was just
human Tortu that had been fighting or was Sue one
of the fighters and thing? Yeah, okay, so I could
see why a thing to get the majority Sue suit.
But like humans, Torch makes sense because there's a bunch

(43:26):
of fire based characters, so I think, and I think
also just aesthetically, that's always a problem when it's That's
the fun thing about the X Men is they are
a team, but they all got different looks, different colors.
I think there is always something sorry, a little boring
with the four right, where it's a bunch of different
people and the four same costume. Right, It's tough because

(43:47):
I could say, well, doctor Dum's in there, you got
to have them in there. But at the same point,
doctor Dum's been the villain to many characters, right, like
even Ironman. That could be the main reason he's in
there because he's been a main bad guy. So if
anybody I would say, let's say those tanks aren't there. Like,
I don't think Juggernaut will be in this game. I'll
say that because I think that was more that was
a weird nineties Yeah, so that's a weird nineties pick.

(44:07):
So I'd say if there's a couple of tank characters missing,
like him, like even a Juggernart or in Thantos, I
think the Thing could make it in. But it's the
only f four. Actually no, I think Torch could as well,
but if it is feeling kind of odd in today's
day and age where we don't do all four of them.
But if I had my druthers, I would think that
the Thing and human Torch would again be the only

(44:29):
two to make it. But uh yeah, who knows.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, So when you were thinking about characters that you
want to add on here, I mean maybe you're just
going off the cuff, But like the way I think
about it, I when I think of a fighting game roster,
I like to have some of the big boys, as
you mentioned. Yeah, I like to have some villains in there,
like more than just one doom. I like to have
you know, you know, the fist fighters, the quick types,
maybe the slower characters, maybe some magic characters and projectile characters.
So I like to get a mix, and I think

(44:53):
that's what I'm gonna try and go for here is
with my with my ten personal picks, I'm gonna try
and hit some of these different categories. But yeah, do
you do you have a strategy that you're going in
here with is just personal favorites on a story perspective people.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Definitely not personal favorites, no, No, just just kind of
a vibe. I kind of have a mix of like,
I think it's a five and five of like, yeah,
this is the five kind of obvious and characters I like, right,
and then five other ones that are just like, hey,
I'd like to see what you could do here, and
they're a bit more on the newer character side, so
like to give them some shine, and I think that's
the thing that can give games like that's one of

(45:25):
the best things about all three of those Marvel Alliance
games was when they'd have a random character and they're like, oh, like,
that's that's an odd pick, but sure, Like to me
back in the day, that was one of my first
or maybe my first exposure like Moonnight, and that was yeah,
a very like he's not a super popular character. But
he's in there. So I look for those types as well,
and some characters that like if you would ask me
what I want them in there? No, but I think

(45:47):
you should put in because if you just do the
same roster, because right now, great roster. But you know,
none of these characters were non in Marvel Alliance three.
I know it's not the same thing, but I'm just saying,
like games with big rosters or even then, i'd have
to look at the most I'd have to pull up
the most recent Marvel versus Capcom one and see where
all these characters. When was the gosh, what was the

(46:08):
last one?

Speaker 1 (46:09):
I mean, I have I have the list right here,
so I can help you out with that if you want,
of the carry a roster of people who are in
the most recent.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
All I want to know is everyone on the roster
so far? Were they in that game?

Speaker 1 (46:21):
All right? So Spidey, Cap Iron Man, ghost Writer, uh
were in there?

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Not Storm and Star Starlett's new right Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah, Storm, Doom, Miss Marvel and Starlard were not.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Okay, Okay, so that's good to me. That's more comparable
to Marvel Allions. But I just like any game that
has a roster of more than twelve characters. You want to, hey,
how do we make ourselves different? You don't just want
to feel like, Okay, it's that game, but in this genre,
you know. So that's a good thing with Start, so
they're already doing that. So that's why I feel good
on some of my picks that I feel they could

(46:58):
do there. Some of them are a bit low key
h and not lowkey in that sense, but in the
sense that maybe they won't happen. But I really don't know,
because I didn't the problems with the Dragon ball Z games.
I don't know which picks would have been considered, like, oh,
is that a is that a unique pick that's in there?
Or did they just go with let's go to twenty
four big boys?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
You know? So yeah yeah. And then the other thing
I was thinking about a little bit, but I can't
put too much talk into it, is like, once again,
since this is like a four man tag team thing,
we then maybe have like a Marvel game, Like obviously
in Ultimate Lines they'd give you like team bonuses if
you put like four x men together. So I was
trying to think about that, like it would be cool
if you got four for me that could kind of
fill each team. But then when you look at like, okay,

(47:36):
Starlard's in here, but like, I don't know, are they
really gonna put three other Guardians in the mix, Like
that thing.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Wouldn't be cool though if you had the it would
be great.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
But that's right, I don't know what should be in here, right,
Like what it's kind of purble though, like, well, what's like,
did you just lumber with Avengers? Like what what do
you would do for this?

Speaker 2 (47:51):
You can lumber with Avengers or even if you had
a couple of those Young Avenger characters in there, right,
Like I don't have the necessarily my list, but if
you had, you got k that's one. You could just
do the quick Speed and Wick and but I don't
think you're gonna do that. I'm trying to think of other
Young Avengers you could you could do.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I mean, I guess Spidy could could fit in the mix.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Maybe you could you could do Iron Ladd, which is
Young Kang. We can spoil that because we're never gonna
get there in the MCU there sending that up, but
there's one member on the Young Avengers called Iron Ladd,
and later on it's revealed that he's actually a child
version of Kang. But we're not We're not doing that. Yeah,
we're not doing that.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
I hope we get three other villains for a total,
like you have a full villain team X men. I'm
sure we'll get to four, Ghostwriter. I would love if
we got like a Midnight Suns, like if we got
at least I think that's in that in that freaky
realm of characters, So I think like we're not far
off of that. But I do feel like Guardians feels
like maybe the one that's like a bit of a stretch.

(48:47):
I don't know if we're if we're keeping it to
a small roster, like I don't know if they have
that at launch, you know, I don't know if they
get three other in there at launch, like who, because
you you'd probably do Groot and Rocket. That seems to
be like like as a combo pack. That seems to
be a pretty thing to do.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
We're not because then you say Rocket was in that
fighting game by himself, though.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yeah, it is weird. It is a mix, like even
in Marvel Rivals right now, like they're separate characters, but
they've like team up tax together. Yeah, and then ultimately
it's three Rocket and Groots one character. But yeah, Rocket's
been in previous games, even in Cosmic Invasion rockets in there,
but Groot isn't, so they don't always do it. I
just think it's a good cheating way to get a
two in one, and that is makes for a pretty
unique fighting game character too, right, I think about like

(49:25):
ice climbers like Rosalina and Smash Bros. Like I think
it makes for a different archetype as well if you
have like a bit of a combo character that could
work in those ways. So's there's potential. And Gomora would
be super fun. Yeah, and I think Drax would be
cool or like I don't even if you chuck like
Adam Warlock in there, you know, I think there I
think there could be some even like Cosmo would be

(49:46):
a really fun like off the Wall pick right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, it would just depend if they would want to
spread the spread the seed sort say, because if you
want that, these are things just Starlark, Gomora and Rocket
and Groot are separate, right because they do a very
different place to Also, I I it's tough because you
say that, and that's the thing where it's like you say,
because there we told there are being four teams, like
four players on a team, and you want a lot

(50:09):
of characters. Now that I'm still gonna stick with it,
but that almost makes me think, how could you not
include Fantastic four and even Guardians like those people that
have core teams.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
That would be so cool to have a Fantastic four team.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yeah, because this is actually the time, because there'd be
times where we go, like I just said, same asthetics
smer powers, were we go, Okay, why I don't know
if everyone plays the f four, But now that they're
with the four, I didn't even think about that. So
I think if they got star lored in there, I do.
I'll say at least one other Guardian I think is
gonna be on there. I don't know which one. Like

(50:40):
I said, if I had my brother, same thing, I
would say, at least do four of them, That's what
i'd I would like if each team had Avengers, you
at least got four X men. I think you're gonna
get eight. That could be a lot, but I just
feel like or at least six, so you have like
multiple switch ups of teams. So if you could have
every character, same thing, Midnight Suns. That's an easy four. Yeah,
ghost Rider and play doctor Strange, Moonnight, mister Knight you

(51:04):
know to I think it's fun Moonnight and all the personalities.
That'd be great.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Yeah, that would be cool. I think it would be
like it would be cool Rocket, even if Rocket, yeah,
which was on his own, because I think that's another
fighting game thing. It's fun to have really small characters
and really big characters. Think about like Iron Giant and
Multiverses are in in what's it called a Guilty Year Strive,
they have a character that's literally just like an entire
fucking tank. He is huge, a massive character, probably the

(51:29):
biggest fighting game character I've ever seen before, and like
it works and he fits in the game really well.
So I think it would be fun to get like, yeah,
a mix of characters, even like I think a smash
out there's like, you know, you have your like little
tiny Pea chews and all La Mars on the screen
right up upgates like Bowser and King d D like
huge characters. So I think it's fun of like characters
size disparency too. I think that's a fun thing to
have it in fighting games like this. But we will

(51:51):
see The way we are gonna do this is we
are each gonna pick pen individually. We're gonna go back
and forth on those, and then we're gonna add four more.
Collect My idea there is that we both get our
ten personal ones and then we can, like with those four,
we can kind of hash it out and like, Okay,
what are the mistakes we made? Is there any obvious
when we missed? Is there like a team that we
want to fill out the four on? How can we

(52:12):
fill out these last four with like a nice kind
of working together on it. It's a little bit different
than the way we normally do these rosters. I think
it's a fun way to go about it. So Travis,
take it away, Who do you want to get on
this roster?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
First? Well, we just talked about them. They're on there
before he showed me the trailer. But yeah, I'm gonna
put Surfer in there. I'm trying to get some different
characters in there. I think there'd be a fun pick
there that'd be someone too. If you did add F
four member, you could do some sort of cheat where
it's like Doom the F four member Surfer and then
someone else from that universe. Right, So, it's like not

(52:45):
F four but F four adjacent. So uh and yeah
you said they were only what in one or zero games?

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Surfer or two Surfer has never appeared, So.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
We got star Lord's Surfer. I think is do I
think just the mechanics of being on the board all time, Like,
to me, that's a character we just talked about, like
the Venom type of style as far as a fan base,
absolutely shocking. Could be the most shocking person that's never
been a fighting game, because I just think aesthetically powers
you could do every like everything that you could do
with like Bobby Drake and the X Men games, you

(53:16):
could have done with silver surfers. So yeah, go with Surfer.
Don't really care which one if it's Norm Rad or
shall Ball like cool doesn't matter to me. Like it's
get a person in silver on a board. I'm cool
with it, you know. So that that'd be my draft
pick number one.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
There, that's a great pick. I'll follow it up with
a character who has a very similar color palette, another
character who has never appeared in a fighting game. I'm
gonna get moon Night on the list here because moon
Night got the cool ass weapons, got the kool as vibe.
I think we can get some fun costumes in there,
and I mean think about ultimatlyans three, and I think
he's also in number one, right, ultimatelyights one character.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I think well I think they maybe I.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Don't remember him at two. I don't remember him too,
he's at least in one.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, and yeah, always has a super fun move set.
He's got like good movement abilities. Is like with the
with the crescent moons, like throwing those as projectiles or
just like the different melee weapons that he's got, super fun,
unique character and like crazy that it hasn't been in
a fighting game before. And you know, maybe we can
get to a nice four Midnight Suns types of characters.

(54:21):
And so now we got Ghostwriter, got moon Night. We'll
see if we get two more on there. But yeah,
moon Night for me, easy first pick. I had three
kind of like slam dunks that I'm absolutely getting on
this list, and Moon Night was one of them, So
shout out to him.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Okay, so I'm gonna keep with going weird. This is
where I talked about in that situation where characters that
I don't love but you know, want to see some
love given to him. All say no, I don't know when,
but they were in Marvel Rivals in the past. I'd
say six months. I think newer. Maybe I'm wrong. I
don't Fall Rivals, but uh, get scroll girl in there.
She keeps getting a fan base. She like people like her.

(54:55):
That character's building. I don't know if you're ever really
gonna see that character in the MC or where. I
think that'd be a perfect Disney Plus show. That's like
a this is nothing new with that. It's just a comedy.
But I think there's some fun things you could do,
like she has the power to talk to squirrels and everything. Right,
So I'm trying to go for it now. I don't
know if necessarily that sells the game. But also I've
talked about We've talked many times. Don't just want to

(55:17):
pier Sausage Fest. So the same thing. If you're like, Okay,
who can we do? What's a female? We can bring
a board? But what's something a bit new? Because most
of the X men that you're gonna jump to have
already been done before. And same thing. There's a couple others,
like I guess Captain Marvel or like Miss Marley Gone there,
but same thing they might say, oh, we already got
a Marvel. So there's just something where I feel like
she's kind of building momentum in these type of circles.

(55:38):
And it's one of these picks that I could see
being like a Smash low key character where everyone has
a character Little Mac my main. I don't care about
Little Mac at all in any other context, I don't
care about punch Out, but in Smash, that's my guy.
So the same thing as squirrel Girl could be the
same thing where it's like, I don't care about squirrel Girl,
that's not my person, but when you play as it,
it's like that that's my tokens. I'm going with going

(56:01):
with squirrel Girl.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
That's a great pick, and I honestly think it's pretty
likely just if you look at the roster for Guilty
Gear Strive, the kind of crazy character designs they have
in that game. Like I think about the character May,
who's like this little girl with a big orange hoodie
and like uses an anchor as a attack. There's one
character who's like has a guitar almost like you know,
Higgs and Destranning two or something like that. Just crazy stuff.

(56:24):
Like that, and I feel like squirrel Girl the Big
Tail using that for big attacks, throwing out squirrels, having
them like burrow in the ground and get like oh
eared attacks.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Like that limitless huge potential.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
So yeah, so far you are picking characters that I've
bowlded on my list, like character as I also wanted
on there. So cool, you're making me happy so far.
I'll pick one that I think will make you happy
and many people. I'm gonna get Scarlet Witch on here.
She has never appeared in a fighting game. I gotta
have a weird magic freaking there. I might get another
one or two because I just love that kind of
archetype and I think there's so much potential with that

(56:55):
kind of move set, you know, good melee combat, good
like defense kind of moves, good like range sort of attacks. Obviously,
she's an extremely popular character right now. I think I
don't know how this Foreman tag team system's gonna work
in this game, but I think if there's like some
element where they're like support or assist type characters as well,
I think she also fits in that kind of context
of like, you know how like Marble Chomedy, you can

(57:16):
like someone the the cameos in to like do a
single attack, Like, I feel like she could fit in
that kind of realm too, and I just want I
feel like you could get really freaky with it too,
do some weird like horror type moves with her doing
some crazy Wanda stuff. So yeah, I mean, obviously she's
she's so hot right now, we need to get her
in there. And yeah, it's crazy that she's never been
in there before, so the time is right.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, no, I agree. I think it's one of those
characters that has built tons of momentum. I think it
kind of makes sense in the odds why she wasn't
really around and even in the nineties that was like
she was around, but she wasn't a big part of
that boom. Like we talked about that when we did
the X Men Ratcher. Right, like her and Pietr just
like appear in an image. They're not even a big thing.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
So I think now, I think your popularity is like
peak now or like was with Multiverse. Would you agree
with that.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I think it's on the downturn now. I think I
don't think the game would miss this, but I think
it peaked with WandaVision. I think that was the peak
that multiverse I think was kind of like the peak
and then kind of riding that out a little bit.
But I do think on the MZU side they waited
too long and the word is also just wanted to break,
but I think they script there. But in a video game,
I think when you're a huge roster, you don't have

(58:25):
to worry about that. So I think in this sense
of getting her own games, absolutely like she was in
uh god, what's the game? We love Why at Midnight
suns like, and she had a big role in that, right,
So I feel I feel a lot of people enjoy
that character now that maybe didn't in the past.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
So yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Okay, So I don't know how we're doing this for
villains wise, because I heard you say maybe before that
could be the case. But you know, for me, go
on the villain route. Okay, I'm going to the villain route,
going that I didn't hear on a list at all.
If I did, then I apologize I missed it. Obviously
their foe has or this person's foe has been in
the game many times. But I don't want to go

(59:03):
that route. I want to go to the obvious route.
Coming I just have a Surfer. I don't want to
put Venom in there. I want to go Storm and Norman.
I want green Goblin. Now here's okay.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
You you trip me up the circles you were taking there,
but I love where you landed.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
No, Like I feel like the natural thing is just okay,
yeah Venom right. But here's the thing, this is the
dream roster. I do not think they would put Surfer
and Goblet in the same game because of the board
and glider aesthetic. But I'm just the good thing is
about Goblin, Like he's not always on the board. That's
a quick like sneak attack or like in Mortal Kombat,
you know you always have the conboy you go back
and something that, Like like I was scorpiing how he

(59:38):
goes through the fire and then comes up the other side. Like,
to me, that's what the glider is. It's not like
the surfboard where he's on it constantly. It is a
attack move, it's a transitional move, it's a special move
something like that. Like if this game has finishers, wouldn't
that be so cool? If the glider comes he jumps
on then like like that's what I want, And that's
because like, yeah, Venom is very cool, but to me
it's there's the same thing. I would rather they're not

(01:00:01):
on my list, but i'd rather say, hey, if you
could have the thing, the Fantastic four, but we got
too many heavies, I'd say, you know, I looked at
him backseat a little bit. I feel like Green Goblin.
He's maybe not the peak, but he got back to
the peak of no way home. I feel like he's
never gone to do And I feel like most people
now in our generation of age, because it's funny they've
gone through kind of eras of like Goblin or doc
Owk or Venom. I would say most people now if

(01:00:23):
you say, hey, name Sperman's grayst Foe is Green Goblin
as far as the past since Dafoe went on right,
because he's been so much content, So I would say,
give Gobby a chance even if you want, Hey, if
there's Skins and we get a Hobgoblin one, great, sign
me up. You know that'd be fantastic. But yeah, that's
my pitching as Goblin. I want that villain. I want
some again, trying to do some new blood here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
So yeah, okay, that's oh that almost inspires me to
make this other pick, but I might maybe hold off
forbit and just see where things go. Okay, let me
knock out my third slam Dunk pick and then I
can maybe get into some more freaky things after. But
once again, a character who has never appeared before. We've
talked about him a lot already, but I am putting

(01:01:06):
Blade in in this roster.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah. Blade, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Blade is another character that every video game he's in
mostly Oultimate Alliance one and three. You know, being in
there always super fun. I think there's Yeah, he's a
very movement based character. I think they just added him
in too, Marvel Rivals as well, and you know, hopefully
we get that movie at some point. I feel like
maybe we could hit a Blade peak. Obviously people loved
him appearing in Deadpool Wolverine, but obviously you gotta have

(01:01:31):
a character or two or three with a Sword. It's
just a classic. You gotta have him in there. He's
got guns, he's got grenades and smoke bombs and weird
stuff in there too, and just weird vamp vampiric attacks
as well. And obviously I'm I'm all in on the
Midnight So so for my roster could all fit on
a Midnight Sun's team, So that just kind of shows
the kind of realm I really want to see in
a game like this. But yeah, I think Blade is

(01:01:53):
a super fun character, great personality. I'd love to see
the costumes they put in there for him as well.
So definitely putting my boy in there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
M okay, So I'm going this or where it's a
little bit different. This is somebody I can't recall on
the list. If it was it with somebody smaller, but
I think they might have not been. I'm a big
fan of character, love this character as a child, love
reading them in Colm books. But he's had he's had
a raw deal the past. I'd say decade, get iron
Fist in there. Danny ran because was he on any

(01:02:23):
list or would he like one appearance somewhere?

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah, he was. Let me grab the number for you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
To me, that's the best combo of that is a
we talked about. There's only many just like fighting people.
He is like a Moonnight sort of type where's okay
he can fight and in cap where he can fight brawl,
But there's gonna be some magic, there's gonna be some
specialties to it. There's gonna be some other worldly stuff.
And I just think with the aesthetic they got going
with Token right now, like the Iron Fist yellow and
green in his outfit, I can see it, like I

(01:02:51):
can see it clear as day. Whatever redesign they're gonna
give him, I think it's kind of funny because I
didn't play, but obviously I feel like meme WHI is
he kind of popped off with rivals of being what
was like an incredible op character for a while. Was
that the situation?

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I don't, I don't remember, but yeah, he's definitely in
there and has a pretty unique look.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I would say, yeah, I think that was the thing
that I guess people are mad it's in the place
style because if Iron Fist would just pop off. But yeah,
I just think I again trying to give a shine
to a character that's not been around too much. But hey, Marvel,
you know he's an eyes of a con or she
they're doing a female version, but still like they I
want that. I want that ip that character be kind

(01:03:27):
of be rehabbed a little bit, and I think may
Riles helped because it made Iron Fist cool again. So
let's continue that trend. Let's given token and just have
him be a bad ass. So that's my that's my
Uh yeah, I think fourth pick there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Yeah, great, great pick for me. I was like, I
need iron Fist or shunk She on this list, one
or the other, and I think just one of them
is fine because they would maybe have a similar type
move set, but I don't know if they ever do
like clone or echo type characters, like with costumes or
something like a war machine for an iron man. I
would love to see Shrunk She could get his time
in this Sun too, because he's never been in a game.

(01:04:00):
Ironfis has only been one. He was in NVC three
in twenty eleven, so he's been he's been in there
once before. But it's like, that's crazy that he's only
been in there once. I feel like that's one of
the first characters you would think of. So yeah, really
really great pick. He was definitely high up on my
my list as well. Let's take our last ad break
before we get into finishing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Up this list.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
We'll be right back. Okay, we are back. Let's see
where do I want to go next. Uh, I'm gonna
go with I'm gonna go with Black Panther. I'm gonna
put him on the list here. Another character that is
shocking has only appeared once before Crazy. Another character that
once again I love in every other game Rvel's Avengers

(01:04:44):
Ultimately three.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
He was my number one favorite freak.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
In that game, and that move set with like that
spinning upward attack all the column was Obviously he's super fast,
so it's funny. He is kind of similar to Iron
Fist a little bit, and I feel like in terms
of the super close range really rapid attacks, probably has
like a little bit of energy stuff, like a little
bit of range in there. I could see him like
with that armor thing like kind of tanking certain shots
and like parrying out them and like getting some cool

(01:05:06):
like energy boost damage attacks like that as well. Obviously
all the different tech and things like that. So I
think this will be a super fun character. I mean,
he just has the agility for a fighting game that'll
be like really really engaging. And I think with this,
like so far, one of the most surprising things for
me about Tokwon and like this sometimes we've seen it.
We still have only seen one map, just New York,

(01:05:26):
and it has like a couple of variations you go
to like different streets or whatever. We haven't seen other
locations yet, and you gotta have Wakanda in there. That
would be like just such a fun location, so much
fun you could do there, going to like different zones,
go to like the the mine with like the unobtaining
whatever the heck it's called going out the Vibranium Master.
That's Avatar, no City streets whatever. It is like the

(01:05:48):
showdown section where they do the fights for the throne.
So a lot of potential there, and Black Panther's a
good way to get into that kind of realm. So
I definitely want to see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
That Black Panther. To me, that's like Blaye where it's
like how do they play? More so because of his
movies in the nineties, but Black Panthers, this is kind
of crazy, just like aesthetically and fighting stide, like you
just think you'd put them in there, but I get it.
They went for a lot of very popular characters and everything.
So yeah, Okay, I think this might be my last
one that's kind of a bit more off the wall
because there's a couple ones that just are near and

(01:06:20):
dear to the heart that I gotta get in there.
Unless you get them in there, but I'm throwing a
man thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I I love that pic. I didn't even think about
him at all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Yeah, I didn't hear because I was trying to think
more Midnight Suns. That's someone you could kind of cycle
there as well. Another tank where again, like I'm saying, like,
let's let's let you know, juggernuts gone, let's binge to
them them. I think esthetically same thing the green just
kind of the tentacles of plants and stuff. That'd be
something funny, and I think there'd be something very unique
that's a character that would play like no other because

(01:06:51):
there's not gonna be anything other big tanky guys that
also have these kind of weird I think the closest
would have been Omega Red, but he's not on my
list because as much as I love Omega Red, I
just don't think that's feasibly possible. If if this really
I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Like this is this could be an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Maybe. I think if it was X Men Token Fighting Souls,
then sure. But because it's Marvel, I think Marvel is
so many new like Guardians and squirrel Girl, like I
think that's thing, Like there's so many people that I
would love it. But I think there's many people that
see Omega reg A like I don't know that not
even a fun way. But man Thing, I think there's
something because aesthetically it is just it would be very

(01:07:28):
cool and again make a debut in the fighting game there.
I think that could be a very unique character if
played right. And that's where he to me is in
that sense of I guess they had those like black
Heart and Omega Red. Not Omega Red, I guess because
he was in the nineties X Men, but like black
Heart where it's like really like or who's the other
one that was with the Eye and the Monster we
talked about. Yeah, that's when I'm like, this is in

(01:07:50):
a fighting game. He's taken that slot for me. So yeah,
man Thing, my my next draft E.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
That's a that's a great pick. I yeah, because I
was like, it's funny. I my list out into like
you know those slam dunk picks that I talked about, Yeah,
I have like villains, I have the big boys, and yeah,
I just in the big book. I didn't even think
about man Thing, just because I kind of put down
the ones that have been in previous games and like
other ones like Kingpinn who have never been in the
Fighting game. But I think man thing is a really
really fun pick because he's got more potential outside of

(01:08:18):
just throwing punches. He's got a lot of pe Yeah. Yeah,
he's the modern day Shuma Gorerath, you know, to put
it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, he's the spiritual successor. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Okay, where do I want to go next? Should I
go realm with the freaks? Should I go for a
basic one? Hmmm, okay, let me go, let me go
with a freak, let me go with a Maybe maybe
that's a mean thing to say. This is a character
in one Fighting game, a character that I learned about

(01:08:51):
through Ultimate Lines three and I think has a lot
of potential and maybe fills a few gaps here. I'm
gonna put Crystal on the list from the what is
what is her realm called the it's not the the
in humans in humans realm, which maybe miss Marvel connection, right,
There's like some potential, there ye some potential. But yeah,

(01:09:12):
I think Crystal is like just a fun character because
she has just control of the elements, and so I
think maybe if we don't get an ice man, we
don't get a human torch On this list, But you
can have a bunch of fun fire attacks, you can
have a bunch of fun ice attacks. You can have
like the rock attacks, which are like more defensive type
of things, and then like wind to get her like
jumping in the air and flying around in space. I
love her move set in Ultimate Nights three. I think

(01:09:33):
they did a lot of fun creative stuff of like, yeah,
instead of her just having a regular shield, she just
like summone's a bunch of rocks to like block her,
and I think there's a lot of fun potentially. I
think she's a really cool look as well. And I'd
love to see the design they do for her with obviously,
like all the designs they have so far for the
current roster, super creative, super weird, and like obviously we
talked about like Goat in America has like some vests
thing going on, and like that's the kind like they

(01:09:55):
have fashion designers on the art team here, and I
want to see what they give Crystal. She might be
in Marvel Rivals too, so she may she might be
having a little bit of a comeback here. She's of
course in Marvel Snap as everyone else is. But yeah,
I think Crystal is really cool and I think has
a lot of potential and like I said, can maybe
fill some good elemental gaps and would have really fun animations.
So I'm gonna put Crystal in the mix.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Okay, yeah, no, I think it's a good one. I
think there's potential for that if they want to, you know,
spread their wings a little bit here. So okay, so
now I'm gonna get to how many picks do I
have left in total? There?

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
So you have five more of your personal picks as
do I, and then we are four more collective ones after.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Okay, perfect, So I have fire right now, and then
if you pick one and then I'll uh, I can
scatter and get some other options here. But these are
all trash picks. These are all ones you could predict,
and there's ones that are just more about some respect
on there. But going with something that's always one of
my favorite characters, my favorite character Marvel Alliance too, Gambit,
you know, remember the name all that you were gonna remember?

(01:10:59):
I think again, with the aesthetic of Token, I want
to see it sounds, but I want to see the
connecting energy popping off. I just feel like there's something
that feels like it's also in the Dragon Ball zero
where it's like that animation that stuff. I bet they
I bet they got it there, So yeah, I would
that's a personal pick. I love Gambit, I you know,
same thing can be a striker, can be kind of

(01:11:21):
a melee person with the staff you got projectiles, can
kind of do it all. So yeah, I'm putting it
in Gambit. Actually know, I guess gam It wasn't Marvel
and Screen. He was great there too, but Marvel I's
too He's a little more opee there wasn't. The man
ran out a lot less on some of those card attacks.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
So mm hmm, I love it. Yeah, that's that's a great,
great pick. I'd love to see the roster they come
up with him, and yeah what he had been in
like four or five games or something, so he's he's
done the circuit of the fighting games. But I think
he's uh could get a little little glow up as well,
So that'd be fun to see. All right, Where do

(01:11:59):
I want to go here? Hmm? All right, I'll throw
another X Men on the list because then we'll have
three overall, and I think there's another slam dunk one
that's gonna get on this list. If it's not in
our individual picks, we'll probably do it in the collective.
For I'm gonna put Magic on here, so kind of

(01:12:19):
a younger up and comer. Maybe maybe she's not always
associated with X Men, but associated enough for me, big sword,
you can't go wrong there, ye, Portals. I think there's
a lot of fun potential to be had there. I
think she's so cool in Midnight Suns and really it's
fun to see her just get like a full, interesting,
super cool move set in that game. She's in Marvel
Rivals as well. I think she's obviously got a lot

(01:12:41):
of potentials, like a big mid range kind of melee character,
which I feel like we maybe don't have a ton
of those. I think we have a lot of full
on range characters and a lot of like fist fighting types.
But I think it's good to have like those mid
range type characters, the zoners as they call them in
fighting games often. So I'm gonna get yeah, Magic Magic
on the list here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Okay, there you go. I'm gonna make it easy then
and just continue the trend, gonna get my boy Wolverine
on there. I think this is a given, like it
I think it's a it's he was number one right
in the Fighting polar Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Just and I don't think I read it, but there
was there was a game that also had Wolverine with
bone claws as a separate version of the charrect yeah,
throw on an extra version on top of that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Uh yeah, no, I I think it's just gonna a
lot of this one. I usually generally like playing Wolverine
in most games. I think I popped off in Marvel
versus Capcom with them Marvel Lions like. I feel that
because very easy thing to do is like, Okay, we're
gonna make Wolverine have a lot of cool claw attacks.
It's very easy where you know, some of these characters
that pitched will surface. Squirrel Girl could have some cool

(01:13:48):
tax but much more like thought has to be put in.
It could be harder to design, or you know a
code where this's like okay, you know some assaults into
that backflip into that jump spin in the like very easy,
but they're always somehow very satisfying to play, and sometimes
hopefully they could do something with the heel mechanic. I'm
not saying that the character can't be defeated, but I

(01:14:10):
appreciate games that do do that, where some games don't
they just oh, you know, it's his Wolverine and be
happy he's in there, right, So I would like some
sort of buffer something to do there, even if it's
a team buff even if it's just like if you
have wolver Read on your team with this collection of people, boom,
you're healing people up there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
So yeah, yeah, I mean even if like just visually
like as he's getting beat up, he getting ripped apart,
but then he kind of slowly regenerates. Even if oh yeah,
visual cool.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
The Xbox game did that perfectly, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Think, I know, I still want to play that game.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
That's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Yeah, So where we are with villains, so would you
is man thing a villain in your mind?

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Really? And to hear everybody's more on the good guy side.
Now I got one more villain coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
So we have I guess surfer Surfers also kind of
anti hero.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Yeah, he's a hero to me, like he's like obviously
the storyline they make up that, but he's more hero
than as bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
So we have Goblin then from your edition, and then
Doctor Doom on the base roster. Let me get a
freak in there. I'm putting Modoc on this freaking roster
because I venture maybe to your point of like, would
they put Silvers or for Anger and Goblin and now
like this other floaty character who's like on a thing.
I don't know, but I would love to see what
they do for a Modoc roster. I'd love to see

(01:15:23):
the art style they do for him. He's over the top,
he's crazy. He looks like he could be in Guilty
Year Strive. So I feel like it fits the the
developing development team and their style. And yeah, I think
move set wise, him shooting beams, him doing like cheeky
little things, him using those legs that Taylor loves so much.
Him like, I don't know, he could even summon little
ams soldiers to go and like just you know, fall

(01:15:46):
onto opponents and get like almost like a range attack
or something. I think there's potential there as well. And
since I have Black Panther on the list, kind of
fun to have like a classic villain for Black Panther
thrown in the mix there as well. So I'm putting
Modoc on the list and uh, yeah happens.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
That's good. Freak azoid that's my spool where I'm going next.
Kind of a one to two combo here, but we're
talking about villains and then we're talking about characters in
Benning games or been in many throwing Loki here. I
think Loki is a great pig. I think Loki similar
to the Scarlett which pick. We're in this generation very popular,
you know, in multiple whether it's Tumbler, whether it's at Disney,
you know the park, Like Loki just says, and which

(01:16:26):
route you want to go? You know, it doesn't matter.
There's many routes you go with that character. So uh yeah,
I'm gonna go with the trickster god Loki there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Beautiful. Yeah. I think I had another you know, I
had like the big boys and villains. Another one I
had was like characters that transform in some way, So
it's thinking like a mystique or a morph or even
like a super scroll. Actually it could be an interesting yeah,
But I think Loki also fits that, Like even in
Marvel Rivals, he's like changing his appearance and stuff, and
so you can get some other characters' abilities. Maybe that's

(01:16:54):
the way that maybe all these characters don't make it
in the game, but you could have like a couple
of low key attacks where he transforms into someone real quick.
That could be really fun. And then obviously he's got
like clone attacks, He's got like ice attacks, even just
using his scepter and like swinging that around. Uh, there's
a ton of potential for Loki. So I I would
love to see him finally get his time to shine
and be in a fighting game. It's crazy he's never
been in there, but I guess if they've only put

(01:17:16):
Thor in two games ever, maybe it makes sense that
Loki is made into none if his brother is much
more popular brother has barely been in the mix.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Well, and even for us too, I remember being a
big deal with Marvel Liance three when Loki gone there
as playable because he had been in the he was
the main character, the first or main villain the first game.
But yeah, it's just I feel like he thora and general.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Fu op in that game too, which is right, like
they just made him extremely strong.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
But even the same thing with Thor, it's most pauper
he's ever been. So yeah, I think that's something where
it's it. It'd be Loki's time and again another villain
on the roster there, so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Yeah, we got a lot of villains. I'm happy, happy
to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Okay, let's see where do I want to go next?
I got I got three more picks, You've got two more. Ah,
all right, I'm gonna put Matt Murdoch, the Great Daredevil
going there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Yeah, obviously he's got the weapons. He could be almost
like magic and on the mid range type character, but
he's obviously got a lot of the close range fist
fighting type stuff as well. He's he's you can see
him in the trailer. You can see Matt Murdoch in
a window looking down at the battle. I don't know
if that's a good or bad sign that he won't
be a playable character. I don't know. If you like
pick Daredevil, then maybe he doesn't appear in that window.
Maybe that's what the thing is, or maybe he's just

(01:18:29):
not in there at all. Unfortunate, but also like the
the Murdoch, uh what is it called Murdoch and what's
what's his partner's name, Nelson? Yeah, they you can see
their office in the in the level as well, So
obviously there are kind of references in the game already.
So hopefully Daredevil makes it in there too, but also
a character who I think, yeah, as I said, has
appeared in one fighting game ever, Like, he's definitely got
a ton of potential there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
He's a fucking boxer too, his dad's a boxer. He's
more fighting than most of it. He's easily probably most
fighting than any of these characters. And then Moonnight Times
does some boxing. But I feel like, actually, just hand
in hand, Mett Murdock's got all these fools kind of handled.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
So yeah, I I would love to see this. There's
so much potential there moves that wise, it'd be super fun.
And I would love to see what the costume they
give him in this game would be.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
You have a vest and it's gonna be popped out
callers and everything like that. I can just see it now,
big helmet. But all right, go one more boring when
I'll say the funner one for last Or. I just
talked about his brothers, so I'm doing Thor just because
when you gave him that stats one game for a
main Avenger, a guy who was a very popular character.
You know many times the MCU kind of the lead

(01:19:35):
of an Infinity War has some of the most financially
successful stuff and again, that's the good thing with Thor
and Loki, not like very different power sets. It's not
like a one A one B where sometimes you go, okay,
like Iron Man war Machine. Yeah, there's some differences, but
practically the same character. Thor and Loki great version. I
think you know, any characters with capes in this game,
you could do some fun things caution wise, but this

(01:19:56):
is just more like absolutely absolutely this is we're just
like respect the name, like he's a main Avenger franchise player, like,
but get Thor some war fighting game stats going on
in there. Yeah, you know, so I'll had to put
him in there, and he kind of acts as a
heavy two sometimes because some games, in some comics they
design him as very big. No, he's always big, but
sometimes he's like grotesquely big. So you could if you

(01:20:18):
were like, yeah, if you do like lack on heavies,
and I actually kind of like that if they made
him outrageously big, and then Loki like really slinky, really tricky,
like kind of very different than them both just looking
like you know, professional wrestlers and stuff. So yeah, go
with Thor before I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Yeah, I think if I'm remembering correctly, in the trailer.
There's like a in one part one part of the
New York section, there's like an Avengers monument and it
has like a statue of Ironman, Cap and Thor. I think,
so it's weird that two of the three of those
characters are confirmed, but then Thor is not, so I
feel like he could be in there. And another like
Asguard is just a video game level you do in

(01:20:54):
every Marvel game. It feels like there's always gotta be
an Asguard section, So especially if you got Thor and
Loki in there, that would make a lot of sense.
That would be Yeah, that'd be that'd be great. Good
pick there. Uh Okay, maybe I will take because I
feel bad. I feel like some of the quote unquote
boring ones, like the layup ones you you were kind
of grabbing there and make sure they made it on

(01:21:15):
the list. I was maybe saving those for the collective
forward the end. But I'll take a boring one here
because I think he's got to be on the list.
We have man thing, a big guy. You gotta put
Hulk on there. Yeah, you just you just gotta. We
need more big characters because, as you mentioned, Thor could
be that guy. Other people could be Bulky, but we
need a couple of massive people on the list, and
so I think man Thing and Hulk make a good

(01:21:35):
little pair there. It's Hull. What are you gonna say?
I mean, he's he's got the move set, He's got
all the move potential. You could even incorporate a Bruce
Banner mechanic where he gets depowered or something. I don't know.
We want to go down that road. They do that
in Marvel Rivals. So there's potential there. But yeah, it's Hulk.
You gotta put him in there. I was thinking though
for some of these kind of more like a Wolverine,
like what if we did X twenty three or thor

(01:21:57):
what if we did Beta ray Bo. Do you think
with Hulk, Like, I don't know, should we go for
variant or just just just regular Hulk.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I think you just go regular Hulk and the coutumes
can always be red.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Hole in they haul.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Yes, tons of versions there you could do. So yeah,
i'd say you go that route beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Yeah, okay, we got one more pick each and then
we have our four collective kind of team picks after Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
It's tough, so I'm gonna I'm gonna put I was
gonna pitch this guy next, but I think in the
four I could sell you on him if nice all
in yours. Yeah, there's a couple. Yeah, Like I said,
that was more of the easier picks, but I wanted
to make sure because same thing, it's four, but still
it's only four, right, So I don't want a situation
where Wolverine's getting bucked off because we're already uh close there.

(01:22:44):
I don't know why, uh I go back and forth
because there's a couple of other weird characters, but I'm
gonna go a hard pick a character that I feel
like does not pop up in much. Same thing Marble
line three when they got confirmed very excited, let's get
Frank Castle in there. Let's let's just like because it
never makes sense. He's fighting man thing he's fighting. That's

(01:23:06):
another reason why it's trying to get him in there,
because the same thing with Daredevil. He is a more
fighting character than some of these other ones. And yeah
is it funny just stuff he's gonna have a shotgun
while he goes against the war. Sure, but like happens
in Colm books too, so uh yeah, I I yeah,
I think he could be I don't think you would
do this because he's already in the game. But if

(01:23:28):
they could finally do like a cosmic ghostwriter skin, that'd
be very cool. So because people don't know, uh, Frank
Castle becomes Ghostwriter and it's like the space Yeah, I
don't think they did it. Because Robbie Race is there.
They probably give it to him. So I don't think
this pick is lightly all. This is a Travis Hart pick.
Like you said, he was now on that list. I
was like, Okay, I gotta get him in there. But
I really don't think they'd put him in there because
I think sometimes they just look at lists of go ah,

(01:23:50):
he's almost too human, you know, because the same thing
with Marble Line three. That was a big deal for
us that he got in there because he wasn't in
the other ones. And he's a very popular character that
I think it's hard to tackle in two ways as
far as the fighting, but also sometimes politically some people
might not want that on their game. Right. Frank Castle
creates a lot of like think pieces. He's not like
a like a fun character, so I can see them

(01:24:13):
being like, Noah, I want to keep this game light.
And same thing with if they want kids to play
it right, same thing, like, ah, let's enough Punisher in there,
but I would like Punisher to make his debut and
get in there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
So yeah, I love the pick. I think that's that's
a really great one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
All Right. For my last personal pick, I'm gonna go
with a personal one for sure, And we maybe have
a couple of other characters that hit this same archetype,
but I'm gonna I'm just gonna go for it anyway,
another character from the beloved Midnight Sounds. I'm going with
Nico Nico Minoru. I want to put her in the
mix there. I mean, her weapon's cool, all the potential
magic abilities. I desperately want to see what the art

(01:24:49):
style they would pick for her, because she's such a
stylish character already. Obviously, I have some some Midnight Suns
types of characters in the mix, so she could fit
in there. I feel like we've almost got like a
bit of that young Avengers team. No, maybe she could
fit in that kind of thing, too true, But yeah,
I just think with the magic. Yes, I already have
Scarlet Witch in the mix. You see, I did not
pick Doctor Strange. I thought it's okay if he warms
the bench this time around, and let me get some

(01:25:11):
other fresh Magic characters in there, including Magic herself, but yeah,
especially yeah Nico and Magic too. Now that's like an
eternal duo in my mind from that game. So I'd
love to have them on the roster together. Yeah, I think.
I think Nico has so much potential and would be
a fun one to get in the mix there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Yeah, I like it. I think there's some good stuff,
and it's she just kind of becoming the default like
Runaways character, Like I put that one in there because
the rest of them haven't really stuck. So yeah, I
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
All right. So there are the initial picks. We have
four more to round out our thirty two men roster.
Do you need a quick recap? Do you think you remember?

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
The only recrap, the only recap I need right now
is how many X people do We got on the
list because we said we had to for sure a force,
so I want to make sure because I know we
have Gamba Storing Storm, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
So Gambit, Wolverine, Storm, Magic, Right, do you count if
you count Magic? I do, yeah, Carlotte, which I guess still,
and I think that is it? So I mean one that.
I mean, Magneto seems like a strong potential there his strikes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Rgneto is not on the list right oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
And as I mentioned, he's in that top five of
most common characters. I think we have all the other
top five right now except for him, so he would
be the next He's the second most well tied for
his second most popular character and fighting history, and he's
we don't have him yet, So I think he's strong potential.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Yeah, because two that I probably would have removed somebody.
I probably would remove Frank and put him in there
because it's just or that's just because I think that's
like a given powers. Like you said, he has the
history there. I think he's one of the most popular
because the only other X one I had right now
I was going off a hard eyes, going off fun.
So now I have Magneto, but the other one I
would have there to put up for tribute his Nightcrawler

(01:27:06):
because I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Just feel like he was one of my bold ones
as well. Yeah, make it in my top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
But so that's that's who I'm kind of struggling with between. Also,
we could get them both in there potentially, but if
we had to pick one, that's very tough because I
think they both have good reasons to be in there.
So we don't decide yet. But that was the Yeah,
the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Let's pretend they're all trying to get in the club
and we're gonna make a little line up right now
with potential people. So other other villains. I was considering, like,
I'm fine if Thanos isn't here. I feel like it's
you know, it's not that he's not anymore, but yeah,
he's been there, done that. I think Omega red, you know,
I would have loved to see him in there, but
he has made his appearances before. I think, hell, it

(01:27:43):
would be cool. I mean Venom. If we wanted more
big guys like a venom or, I think Blob could
be quite fun. I think I think we'm okay on
the big guys. I think we got a couple like
even Modoc could be in that tier as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Right, I think he definitely could be in there. I
don't have him particularly on my list, like we would
circle back we were really running out, which I don't
think we will. I would have if I was running
at people instead of Venom, I would have put Carnage
just because carnage has never hurt I don't think been
in that stuff. And he has all those attacks where
he like his hands in a chainsaw or a sword,
like you could do multiple stuff like that. So if
you're to ask me, it's tough because Venom has a

(01:28:17):
bunch of movies still very popular. But it's just the
same thing, like you know, sit down and kind of
let someone else have a have a turn there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
But so we also discussed the F four. Neither of
us picked any F four. How are you feeling about
them at this point in time?

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
That's tough because with this four, are we going with
the four we'd want the most, or four we think
is likely the most, or as.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
It's purely our dream roster dreams.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
I like the F four, but there's no one I need.
Like again, the people I would need is doctor Doom,
and I got him, you know, So.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
We got Surfer in Doom, but no F four And
I'm okay with it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
And don't get me wrong, I think that over my
pick up like Frank Castle, like the thing or human
towards would make it like that's why he's a dream roster.
But I think there's multiple or man thing, right, they
might go just you know, like Facebook, drop the man
and just put the thing, you know, like there's multiple characters.
I think they would. I do think you will get
one other f W member in here because of Doom,

(01:29:11):
but I'm fine. On my list. I have actually someone
f or adjacent to Pitch, but who's that? His name War,
because I think a character.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Never appeared before, a notable omission.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Big character. I think they could do some really fun things. Again, aesthetically,
I could be wrong. I don't think we have a
water based fighter on here.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Magic magic, Yeah it does.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Yeah, so maybe maybe she doesn't use that one, so
you can let name War have his time, but you
could do some fun slide attacks things like that. Yeah.
Name War also got the trident in there, so that's
kind of a good combo character. So uh, not like
a for sure, But that's somebody on my list. And
then I have another person that's adjacent to him, that's
an Avenger that I think I would sell you on.
That I think, to me is like a top tier pick.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
But give it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Who's that doesn't matter which one who's portraying him, But
to me, we've talked. Both were disappointment night suns. We
disappoint Marvel Ultimate Alliance I thought for sure and three
was happening because there's a stage that he's in, but
he's not. You gotta give us an ant Man. I
just feel like we've talked about so many times. It's
like a speedster where there's so much fun stuff to do,
and I think the speedster, like the size, is probably

(01:30:16):
why most time Dev's go, eh, we're not gonna do that.
That's a pain. But dream rosters. I would love for both,
if you could do and joint Man have those two
combos of.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Yes, he could be the big guy and this week.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
He could be heavy. Yeah he could be a heavy.
So the same thing like, oh, we only have three heavies,
but modowcs there that can work with that. Ant Man's
there that could be that. So that's where I would
I would love out of all the ones I have
on my list so far, ant Man or I can
just say Hank Pim so we can get Giant Man
and ant Man, just so we could have those attacks.
It's even being little too, like that'd be tons of fun,

(01:30:48):
especially in a four team scenario where you tag in
and you don't even see him right away maybe you know,
like where the hell is he?

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Or it's huge, Like you could have some crazy finishers
with like mixing those powers up. Absolutely, I definitely and
Wasp were too like the bold ones for me because
I think Wasp, oh, like, maybe she doesn't have the
Giant Man effect, but she has the shrinking ability, but
she also can fly, she could use her wings, she
has like her beams that she can use. She just
has like a bit more stuff in her inner tool bag,

(01:31:15):
I guess. But I I like, I really like your
pitch of ant Man because I think that's a really
great I can't think of another game that has like
a hybrid big and small character like that. Like that's
a very unique mechanic. So I'm I'm I think I'm
coming into this. I was like more Wasp over a man,
but now I'm the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Of the giant Yeah, you know, covers us on the
heavy side.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
So yeah, okay, how about a couple other Spider people.
What about a gun or Miles in the mix?

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
If you're telling me this is a massive Ross or DLC, yes,
but it's kind of the same thing. If I get
I know, they would make them different, especially Miles with
the electricity. I think Miles has a good potential to
be there, but I think it's sometimes like the F four,
certain other characters like Read and Miss Marvel, you could
get too sane. So I'm not opposed them. I think
if anyone, it would be Miles, just because the variety

(01:32:05):
of power. But I'm not like a have to maybe
because like I've always liked the Spider People, but I've
never loved them. I think I actually really enjoyed Gwen
in Alliance three because she had those big powerful attacks, but.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Yeah, she could make the big web bombs.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Yeah, there's some good stuff there, but it's not like
a half for me, like that thing Like if Spider People,
I'd probably still lean towards like a venom or carnage
over those two, which is you know, bad to say,
or even like a.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Probably the better, the better pick. And it's funny you're
you're leaning Miles. I was more leaning Gwen, So I
think it probably makes more sense to just not buy
eitherm on you know, yeah, right, they're right on the
front porch, but they're not making it in the door agains. Yeah, uh,
who else do you got for contenders that were top.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Not that was it some of the other ones you
had mentioned before, so other than now, I had to
make Needle there, but that was it for the ones
I had left over that weren't mentioned later, like by
you or myself at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
So okay, so one for me Silok would be cool.
I've picked two other sword characters, so I'm fine not
putting in a third sword character in the mixt She's
got more than just swords going on. But I also
think with Gambit maybe that's similar, like throwing beams and
things Elektra next to Daredevil. I thought about combo. Yes,
similar moves that Elena. I think would be really cool,

(01:33:17):
just to have that close range fistfighting woman character because
we have like an iron fist. But I think interesting
potential there. I don't know who the I mean, Electra
might be like the one to do if you're gonna
have that type of character my other ones. So I
think Hawkeye's been in one game. I like the idea
of a bow and arrow character. I was thinking substitute

(01:33:39):
from Kate for Kate. Bishop put her in there instead.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Could be Avengers in there too, So we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
Put them on the on the porch. We'll see if
they make it in. And then I think my last
let's see, my last bolded ones obviously have a million
characters written down. My last bolded ones were Jeff the
lad Shark, who's just become a popular character, like they
just were a weird freakazoid animal type. Could be interesting.
I was thinking how weird and cool would be if

(01:34:07):
they put Hunter from Midnight Suns in there, like the
player character from Midnight Suns. That would be interesting, funny. Yeah,
of course my girl Songbird, Uh, because I love I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Thought when you're talking about what I thought coming.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
She was at Thunderbolts in a big way, maybe I
would have been hyped and got her in there. And
the meme pick just because the internet is because of
Marvel where I was just thirsting over Emma Frost. I
thought she's never been in a fighting game before. I
think they should do it. If they want like clicks
on the Internet by their game, they should do it.
But I don't know. Uh, And then yeah, I think

(01:34:41):
I think I'm fine with that. I think I think
those are maybe the top top pitches I had, so
the ones that we kind of left at the door.
Here we have Magneto Nightcrawler nay More, aunt Man and
Kate Bishop. So we really have five. So I guess
we could just look at it as we just have
to chop one of them if we want.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
I still need a lecture too the Door as well. Okay, yeah,
lecture on the Door because she was on my list
that I kind of over the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Team dared have on Electra and then two other people.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
I guess, well, then if you got Frank there, if
you got Frank and yeah, exactly, so sorry Luke, he
didn't make it, but neither did Jessica Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
So yeah, so I'll drop Wasp out of there, and
I'll drop Hawkeye just for Kate Bishop. Okay, yeah, I
think I think we should pick one of these X
Men characters, but not have both. Maybe make need a
Nightcrawler just because we already have. We already have some
decent X Men representation. I could be persuaded otherwise, but
you might have.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Yeah, we could always come back to later. If I
had to pick. As much as I love the other guy,
I would have to go Maynedo for the history and
he's always still a unique character, unique designs and same thing.
Kind of that's tough, though, Nightcrawl or aesthetically could look
really good too at the token style.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
But I alt have your sword. We have we have magic,
a teleporting sword user, so maybe maybe we don't need to.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
This hits the double of it's a mutant and it's
a villain, and yeah, talk about sthetically. Maybe they'll get
a pop off with that helmet, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
So, and we have Scarlet Witch, so we could get
like a little there you go father daughter moment.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Yes, okay, I would put the on Mayby.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
You know, he's made it in the club. So now
we're between nay More, I should just lok it man.
That sounds that we're both really thrilled by that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Yeah, I would have tons of fun with the giant Man,
little Man, all that type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
So nay More, Kate, Bishop, and Electra are the the
final three at the door here.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
How many Melee characters do we have in listless? Right now?
That's where I'm coming from, the Cape Bishop side of it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
So Melee character like strictly Melee characters we have.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Or sorry, with no one of my you mean range yeah, yeah,
range and projection projections.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
I mean, okay, I guess, I mean we have a
lot of hybrids, but I'll say iron Man, I'll say
star Lord, Storm, maybe a little bit of both. I
don't know what Doctor Doom is. I forget what he's
like in the.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Some beans and some bad oh right in the tray.
It could be different. He always kind of goes back
and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
But yeah, Goblin's probably pretty projectile, heavy gambits, chucking cards, punishers,
all guns I think are mostly guns. Moonnight's probably got
some chuck ability. Scarlet Witch and Nico are probably both
pretty range focus. Crystal's probably got quite a bit of range.
And we have a roster cement and other metal things

(01:37:20):
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Twenty four was it that we had out in total
the roster thirty two?

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
We're at thirty right now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
We have two more spots, so that's right now counting.
And we didn't count the range character, and we didn't
even count the characters like even star Lord, and you
said Storm, but even star Lord would be there, said
star Okay, even Spidey has an aspect of that too,
right for his webs. So that's where I would come down.
And maybe Kate Bishop doesn't make it through. I think
if you had a game of not as many projectile characters,

(01:37:47):
then sure. But with that many, I feel like she
would get the back end a lot like I don't know,
unless they really find to that character. I could see
a lot of people not picking that character where they
name or has a bit more, you know, Bizazz. I
think Electras and Ties and Electra two. Just again, that's
a more fighting based character. I think the art style. Yeah,

(01:38:09):
and again you could do some good stuff with her
and Matt, so yeah, I would bump Kate for Elektra
and nay More.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
I am inclined to agree, and I think we've made
a pretty delicious roster here, So let me read it
out one last time. We have Captain America, Iron Man, Ghostwriter,
Spider Man, star Lord, Storm, Miss Marvel, and Doctor Doom.
Of course, those are the already confirmed characters. But here
are dream roster characters. We have Silver Surfer, Moonnight, Magneto,

(01:38:36):
Squirrel Girl, Scarlet, Witch, ant Man, Green Goblin, Blade, nay More,
Iron Fist, Black Panther, Electra Man, Thing, Crystal, Gambit, Magic, Wolverine, Modoc, Loki, Daredevil,
Thor Hulk, Punisher, and Nico Minorud Around it out. I
think that's a pretty damn good roster. I would be

(01:38:58):
more than thrilled. If we got even half of those
people in the mix, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Yeah, no, I'm very curious to see the raw. And
what I hope is that there is on the ross
reveal one or two characters on there that we don't have.
I'm not talking about like the big ones. I'm hoping
there's characters that we didn't even think of, or characters
like oh, Mega Red that we went on out that
won't happen, that would just no, a Mega Red's in there,
whoever would be? Or even like if it's Juggernaut, we're
go I guess we discount Juggernaut for some reason because

(01:39:22):
all it takes. You know, some of those characters are
on there just because certain deaths are like I love Juggernaut,
you know, like some of those are definitely the same
thing like us we're making a game would be personal picks.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
So and all the interviews I've listened to with like
Marvel developer, like Midnight Suns or Ultimate Alliance, like Marvel
doesn't say you need to put this character in there.
They let you do whatever the heck you want. They
give it like to the developers almost completely. And so
I feel like that's where you would get a lot
of heart picks. It's not necessarily like Marvel's like, Okay,
you gotta put you know, you gotta put Substorm in there,

(01:39:51):
because we just really fantastic four. They don't do that.
They don't care. They let you pick whatever you want,
which is really cool. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
No, I'm exciting because I think at least Evil will
see like one to two many more. But we'll get
some new characters soon, so we'll get some confirmations on
a couple of these seas and see what's happened.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
I'm expecting that this week. And maybe I'm getting hype
because they had the like I said, they had the
developer direct and didn't even a character there, so I
don't know. It could not be the case, but I
think they're showing like the game is gonna be playable
at EVO as well, so it seemed like a good
time to show some of that off. And yeah, of
course this game's gonna be a bit of way twenty
twenty six, but I think this is a good time
to do this before we get any more characters, so

(01:40:27):
we can really steal on this with every every subsequent announcement.
So I can't wait for this game. This is a
super fun episode at Travis. Thank you for joining me
of course, and we will be back again next week.
You talk about it direct and other bunch of other things.
Should be a good time. Confetti, fireworks in the sky.
Thank you everyone for listening and we'll see you again
next time. Bye bye

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