Two-Face & Amadeus Arkham Casting Rumors For The Batman Part 2 : Travis Told You

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hell, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to Travis Told You.
I'm your host, Travis now, and it is Monday, October six.
This is what is it? Technically? Was I wrong? Did
I not bring in the holidays last week? Yeah? October
first last episode Trat told you was the beginning of October,

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the greatest month of the year, Halloween, fall, all that
good stuff. It's tough because I always go back and
forth between spring and fall being my favir mounts because
summer CAMPI great, but get too hot, Winter CAMPI great,
get too cold. Fall I think it's just like those colors.
But spring spring there is somebody like the perfect warranth
going on. You know. It's the perfect amount of going

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for a walk, plan outside, not getting cold. But uh, yes,
we are here for Travis told You. I apologize to
anyone who's listening or expecting on Friday if people don't
know how this usually works, as I, you know, luckily
work from home and it's a great job and whatnot.
But the days that I do Monday and wednesdayre are
times where I take an hour break do the show.
Friday little hectic, so didn't have time and I said Okay,

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I'm not gonna record live, and then just one thing
led to another and then I could not do it
the whole weekend, so I apologize. My hope is to
maybe do it kind of a bonus episode this week,
even if it's just a topic one. But we will
see how work goes. Because for us, we got Canadian
Thanksgiving coming up this weekend, so happy you know, soon
to be Thanksgiving from my Canadian listeners. So it gets
a little hectic where I am. I work in the

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hospital industry. So the thing is, lots of jobs, including mine,
do shut down for the holidays, so it gets pretty
hectic around the time of any sort of holiday and whatnot.
But we are here to do this and talk about
a bunch of stuff we're gonna I'm gonna try and
fit as much possible in this. Anything that I can't,
I will boot to the next episode. Or that's where

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maybe I'll do like a Monday and a Wednesday and
any stuff I've had to boot maybe while I'll be
the bonus episode. Because we got some Smashing Machine we
review that giving many one review ed Green Monster Monster
at game talk about this Batman news, which I was
really just pointing because that came out Friday and it's like,
I really want to talk about this, and then're gonna
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all that information. So let's says Dwayne talk about smashed

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Me and box off saying well, you can't control it.
When he was trying to control it during Black Adam. Yeah,
well that's a different He's luckily not trying to get
to the point of controlling a twenty four right. That
was at the time of talking about getting DC and
James Gunn and all that stuff. So yeah, the Rocks,
eh an interesting individual, interesting guy, very very obviously it

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seems like there's lots of ego there, but also the
times very kind of like inspirational guy. But then he's
a character. I love the Rock. I love Rock in
many ways as far as watching him. I love him
as a restler, professional entertainer. I love him as like
a business guy. But of course there's some stuff that
he does. It's just kind of funny, uh, to say
the least. Uh. But we'll talk about that in a seconds.

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We'll leave the main topic. We are gonna talk about
the Smashing Machine. And yeah, I hope everyone's having a
good October, good Halloween coming up. I guess I should
let people know that I am live here. Trystld you
is back. But yeah, So the rumors we're talking about
today are I will specify some two some two faces.
We are talking about two face rumors. There are some
sea tier rumors, so obviously take it with a grain

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of salt. But the reason I bring this up is
because one always we always talk about two or we
talk about two face. I keep fritting and slipping there.
We always talk about sea tap rumors because you never
know when they could become true or whatnot, or variation
of them. And even back in the day, I remember
with the first rumors of Robert pass and playing Batman,
it came from boss logic because I remember the trajectory

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of hang on one second, Oh good backgrack? Can I
get one more? No? I can't. I can't do it
in this chair. Nothing. I feel like another crack. But
the first one's good enough. The original rumor of bro
President came from Boss Logic. He's if people don't know
he's I don't know if he's on X anymore, like I,

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like I said before, I go on X, whether it's
if I'm bored, like if I have to be like
take a bus, that's where, or if there's any downtime
I don't I'm not as much and that's where, luckily
because of discord, whether it's the main one wrestling NFL,
like that's the time, right and honestly is the most
time I'm on there is when wrestling's happening, and maybe
the occasional football stuff. So it's more of that type

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of meme algorithm. My algorithm is just wrestling NFL, not
movie news because I follow that stuff and then unfortunately
like AI stuff, but because I think we've shared a
couple of memes that thinks, oh you must love AI, right,
But I digress. Boss Logic he's a guy. There's lots
of photo shop. I think he does Suffers studios now
and whatnot. So anyways, he does lots of work with

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photography and photoshop, all like a jazz right. He had
put out a concept art of Robert pass And as Batman,
and he said, oh, you know, I'm here in some rumors.
I don't know if they were true. If I had time,
i'd pull up the tweet, but it is there, and
I remember because it was like a slow news week.
This was back in twenty nineteen, like before COVID, I think,

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and I remember I brought it up. There is a
clip somewhere and I think it's in one of our bloopers.
And it did very well for us because this was
like early days of Obviously they were casting a new
actress of Batman and he flew it out there and
we talked about his ce tier stuff and just the
idea of what would that be like, right, because I
had never thought about that, and then when I heard it,
it's like wow. And that's why it's like even with today,
this two face casting, it's one of those where it's
like interesting because Matt REI I didn't mean to do that.

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Matt reeves interesting, but I think he has quite an
eye for talent and I think his takes are always different, right.
But anyway, so that happened and we talked about news
guys with me Kirkland Tayta. I remember Taylor was not
really for it all. Kirkland was iffy about it, but
they had also not seen his other work like I had, right,
And then it was like a couple months later Veriede,
he was like, it's him, Holt. I think there was
somebody else. I still I am gonna do an episode at

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some point of like the people that almost played Batman
or audition for Batman, because I think it's an interesting
listen and interesting conversation. And I was passing when I
saw that. I was like, this would be fantastic. You
can go back, and I was with it the whole way.
Luckily that happened. And that's why I'm saying, because some
of these rumors, you never know who's friends of who,
who's talking with what, right, we don't have much right now.

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We just know that it might feature a villain that
hasn't been done. I think I will specify with the
concept hasn't been done on screen, So that could really
literally be like, okay, it is Bane, but it's like
comic gacrip Bane, right. I think that's what matt Reee
was saying. I don't I'm not saying it's for sure,
not somebody that's never been on film. It could be that,
but I think the way he said it, people took

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it a different way. There's rumors about Robin, but that's
TVD and he hasn't answered any of that. The Selena
Kyle stuff. There's a rumor two weeks ago that a
Scooper put out that got blocked by the writer. So
everyone took this must be true because remember a couple
of weeks ago we talked about where actually was August
where the reporters weren't allowed to ask Zoe Kravitz on
the cot stealing press to her about the Batman part too,

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because they said she's not in it, she knows nothing.
And multiple people have been said that, so like, oh,
maybe she's not in it this Scooper put out while
she's in the she's in it for a very small amount.
And then that scoober got blocked by Matt Tomlinson, right,
and who knows if that's right wrong? Whatever. I hope
she is because I think that's a fantastic performance. I
think Catwoman is tough because I don't have a favorite,

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because I think Zoe Kravitz is honestly the best kind
of adaption of that character where Michelle Pfeiffer is my favorite,
but it's not it's like a complete new version of
that character. Right, that's just Michelle Pfeiffer being a great
actress and that role in there, right, and Zoe Kravitz
as well, So we have that. And now there's a
couple of rooms. So this both of them are from

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one Scooper. Of the two Facebook I have seen before,
but it's still ce Tier where they m got a bunch, right,
but they've gone some stuff, right, et cetera. And the
other one I haven't seen much, but I've heard other
people cover it, so that okay, just to talk about
it is like potential, right, it's always preferences Tier, maybe
not ever gonna happen. The two Face one, I think
we all feel is kind of logical, right, But let's
start with this first one where it's Tobias. Let's see,

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can I get his name here? Tobias Menzies Hope him
saying his name, set to play a major role in
Batman Part two. Apparently he is set to play a
param member of the Arkham family and the founder of
Arkham Asylum, so he's gonna be playing Arma dais Arkham,
which obviously I used the thumbnail was a very fun
subplot in the Batman Arkham Asylum game. So with this one,

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it's one of these rumors where it's so out of
left field, I go, I could believe it sometimes. You know,
obviously we talk about news all times, but sometimes he's like,
I don't let me gonna put this in the notes
because I don't think it's really true at all. But
with how ties to the first Batman with the you
know the waynes, I think they funded Arkham a little bit.
If not they had, Like I guess this guy would

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be technically related, right, because like Thomas Wayne and Martha Wayne,
she was Martha the r Right. If I'm remembering that,
I have to I was gonna I'm gonna be watching
The Batman soon because that's a Halloween movie. I usually
like to sometimes watch them with the noom ones, but
I've been trying to leave it for October. But I
believe she was a Martha Arkham, right, So I guess
technically this Arkham guy, like, God, let me see Martha Arkham.

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If someone in the chat knows, let me know, but
let's see. Yeah, Yeah, it was Martha Arkham. Okay, so
I guess technically, and that's where something's a little bit
off here, right because you know him playing Alma Deus Arkham,
that would be like a if he's the founder of it,
that's flashbacks right now. Don't get me wrong, it fits.

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But at the same time we do flashbacks, I don't know,
maybe if it's before a scene, because Reeves did say
he wanted to keep the focus on pass and so
I feel like if they do too many flashbacks, you
take it off him go the past. There could be
a way where he is playing Almadas Arkham, who is
now the runner of Arkham Assignmed and this is what
I think it is. I think it's the same way
as I remember a couple of months ago when there

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was like, oh, there's rumors are recasting Ch'challa, and then
half the scoopers like, well they're recasting Cha'challa or it's
like a different universe one or Cha'challa Junior. I think
this is a case where in the comics, if this
were true, he's playing Arma Dais Arkham and he is
like a founder of Arkham. But I don't think we'd
be going back that far I think he could be
like a current day one, right, And I guess technically

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there could be something interesting there if he has a
relationship or he knows of Bruce because they are family, right,
so there's something like there could be a lot of family,
especially if Hush is the villain that goes into plays
all the Thomas Elliott stuff, right as far as like, okay,
you have Thomas Elliott and the reporting and his dad
everything that plays it with the Wayne's there, then if
you had Arma dais Arkham, you have a guy that's

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related to Bruce Wayne and with two Face, which I think,
as I said before, I think all things are gonna
be in it there. It depends they could go the
route of sometimes two face they were either acquaintances or
friends back in the day, like in a college or whatnot,
Like they kind of knew of each other, right, because
he sees Harvey denn and thinks he's a good guy.
So you could really play especially if and that's another rumor.

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I think, Yeah, the same guy that put up the
Zoe Kravitz thing about that she's in it for just
a small amount said that this like at the first
think about the first movie, how that was a lot
to do about Batman and Bruce Wayne was kind of
in the background. It's kind of reversed this time. Now.
I don't think it'll be screen time reverse because I
still think they want him in the suit fight scenes
just to sell the movie, right, But I could say
being a fifty to fifty or maybe even a sixty

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forty now with Bruce Wayne to Batman kind of screen
time right. But he says it's gonna be a lot
more Bruce Wayne' story. So it's like, which I think
we all kind of figured to some things Matt Reeves
has said in the way that story went. So if
you're playing with a family member, you're playing with a
guy that's connected to the family, maybe friends with Bruce Wayne.
Or even if they just go the route where his
you know, his dad got hit, like Hush's dad killed.

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There's motor right there. And then even two face if
you go the stage of he did know Bruce at
some point. Even though I don't strike the reason, I
haven't took too much validity in that, I just don't
feel like this Batman has any friends, like with Christian Bales.
Obviously we see the flashback, but I can look at me, like, yeah, okay,
I could see Rachel Dawes and not working out like

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they make that like brew like all Bruce Wayne's are
fucked up in their own way, right, But I could
make an argument and that other than Adam West and
George Clooney, his like Bales might be the least fucked
up out of them all. As far as Bruce went,
like has a head on his shoulders, right, I think
he has different issues as far as just with some
of his complexes, and I think they try to go

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into some of the addiction and they didn't really they
kind of like because he stops being Batman, right, he
has a whole different kind of list of issues. So
but this pass and like Bayle, I could believe he
had a friend at some point our Batman right now,
Barey's friend with Alfred. He fucking he didn't hate Alford,
but seems like at times they know and don't like
each other. Right, So, and then there's and even Gordon,

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he has like a like kind of attention filled relationship
with him, So it's not like he's a friend. Even
Zoe Kravitz, it's like an awkward thing. So the two
faced thing, I don't buy but like or so, I
don't know if I buy them doing the friend route,
but you could, right, you could tie a bunch of
stuff to being Bruce Wayne. But and this guy, I've
seen him in stuff. He's a good actor. He looks
like to me, the perfect It feels like a Matt

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Reeves thing where I think Matt Reeves most of the
time other than passive. If you look at the Batman
Colin Farrell, they probably got for a cheaper rate because
he's in a smaller time, right, And I'm not trying
to disperge these actors, but like John Tatoro, Zoe Kravitz,
Paul Dano, even Barry Kyugan, I don't think you're They're
not like charging the huge amount of money. And at

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the same time they might just like take pay cups
to be in Batman, take pay cups to Matt Reive, right,
But I think Tobias works that way where it feels
like it's in that wheelhouse of a Matt Reeves actor
that is a really talented actor, but it's not gonna
break the bank, and I think they want to. The
last Batman before COVID was like really, I think it
was close to one hundred million or somewhere in that ballpark.

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But then Reeves said, COVID just inflated. All right. So
and if you look at that movie, there is big
set pieces, there's some CGI, but it's not the same
extent to like BVS. Right, So it kind of fits.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Matt
Reeves is he might see this guy. I think this
is the perfect guy. I'm not saying he's specifically Oh,
this is the call sheeting and how much money? No,
I don't think that. I'm just saying I'm sure that

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plays a bit into it, but it kind of fits
in now with two face, right, we've heard this a while,
We've heard rumblings of it. It's gonna keep coming up,
I think, as we've just distressed again if you haven't
seen the movie in a while or never seen it,
the DA in that movie gets killed in the Batman.
So there's just you know, what is Harvey Dent the
District attorney. Slot's right open for whether it's a campaign,
we just pick up he is the DA. Tons of

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options there to do, right and now the room. It's
just this is so fascinating to me if it were
to be true. Is Jeremy Allen White, who's gonna have
potentially a really good fall? It's so funny. I saw
a clipped the Tonight Show because that's my algorithms have
that because I watched the Daily Show clips and then
I watched on the Jimmy Kimmel stuff last week. So
is Jeremy Allen White Bruce Springstand just like? Man? Like,
maybe I'm wrong, but did when Shalley did the Bob

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Dill movie? Did him and Bob ever do some press
together or anything that? But like, Jeremy and Brus are
together a bunch of places. So I'm excited to see
that I've not finished the Bear because me and Emily
just kind of fell off it. We're gonna at some point,
I think, But yeah, I don't. I don't know, but
I enjoy him right, But it's something where I feel

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the exact same way about him as I do when
I heard Barry. Let's see uh sor that was just
a semi work urgent thing, but it's all taking care now.
So I think when I heard Barry, because we heard
those wrong thing, man, that's what I would have never
thought of Barry. I don't know why, Like maybe I

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would have after Saltburn because he was talented there, but
I had seen him in a bunch of stuff, not
a starring role, really per se, and I thought, man,
he's really talented action. So when I heard the Joker thing,
thought man, that's a really interesting choice, and I love
what you could do with that. And I liked the
interrogation scene. I do want to see what more matt
Reeves and Barry could do together, because I think the
interrogation scene is good, but it's also not enough for

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us to be where where is he ranked among the Jokers? Right?
Unless that's the idea. Maybe, and I've said this before,
I'd be completely fine if Matt Reeves's Joker was just
a hannibal lecter never got out in the prison the
whole time. If that was the case, I would have
maybe in the first movie put a scene to see
me get caught, and then you tell the listeners or
the viewers like, hey, it's not happening. He's sticking in there.

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But I feel like some people might have the ideas
come out. I still think he'll be the main bad
guy the third Batman, but I digress. So it's the
same thing of when I heard Barry because Paul Danel
that was like a yeah, like we're all rooting for that, right,
But Rob passing the same thing when I heard Rob
pass and that's like a oh yeah, that's really good.
That could work. Zoikratz and Paul Danel to me were
both like yeah, easy, like duh, that's gonna work like that.

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There's like the noda and inspired casting right and not
saying the noda is a bad casting, Dame corns what
was a noda casting and it worked out great right,
same as Paul Dano Barry and even calling faro Ouht
to me like that was not a no doubt. But
I was like, Okay, he's town he could do whatever.
Let see he does. Barry and Jeremy are in that
same realm of I go huh, and I think about it,

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and with Barry, wow, that could be something really interesting.
I think two vays could be that. I don't get
that excited by it because I've liked Jeremy Allen's work,
but it's the reverse of Barry where I go, oh,
that's interesting, and then Barry was hyped right away. Jeremy
I is to like, Okay, I gotta I'd have to
see it. And don't get me wrong, Jeremy Allen White
is a great actor from at least the stuff I've seen,

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like anything, the reason I felt with Bear was not
because of him. And there's other stuff like I never
saw Shameless, but I've seen him a bunch of stuff
here and there. Right, I think he's a very good actor.
So to me, it's like if he was the choice,
then I go, okay, perfect, because I feel like Matt
Reeves has a vision, he's got the script. He looks
at Jeremy on when he goes he would be perfect
for what I'm doing. So and then I go, great,
I Reeve's a guy. Trust it's just off the hop.

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I go, oh right, like, I like, it's almost like
both sides like the Harvey, and I guess again, all
depends on the take of it, right, But like right away,
when I think of his Harvey, okay, I don't necessarily
see that. And then I think of his when I
think of his uh like his two faces like other
than yelling the Bear, I don't exactly see that. But

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again that it doesn't matter because it's not I think.
The only people that I would be not wanting to
get cast or people that aren't great people, or people
that I would say are not you know, the best actors,
or like really not good for that role. Where it's like, okay,
let's say I've seen them play a variation of two
faces and oh, that really wasn't good. They didn't do this,

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they didn't do this. I'm see Jeremy Allen White do that, right,
and you know, always to bring them up. My recent
obsession great actor Sam Reid. That's where it's like when
I watched the interview of the Vampire series and then
watch Newsreader, it feels like completely two different actors. You
would have not thought the newsreader guy could have done
what the vampire guy did. Maybe you could went the

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other way because the newsreader isn't as like a big
of performance. But that's the thing, because when they're great actors,
I trust him, right, That's the same reason. Like I've
talked about before Ben Affleck, when he was cast, I'm like, yeah,
I trust it. Like I don't think Ben Affleck is
like an all timer actor, but he's a good enough
actor where if he's putting the right role, yeah, he
can do something really good. And that's why I thought
with Batman, tho, yeah, no, he can do something there, right,

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So same thing jere Mel and White. It's not like
a name that I get hyped about. But I go, okay,
let's see And that's an interesting dynamic with those two.
And who knows if he gets to be two faces.
It's just Harvey Dent, but I think pat and it's
what I like though. If it is a case, it
feels like a Matt reaches. Even Paul Dano to an extent,
feels like that. Right. Zoe Krautz, I think not as

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much because it's just like she's becoming a bit more popular,
She's a bit more in the mainstream. Like that felt
like the savest. And don't get me wrong, I think
at a list of actresses other than Vanessa Kirby, I
was like, she's perfect, right, I'm very happy when she
was cast. I was very happy with the performance. So
and she's great. I've got a fish cost stealing. She's
great at like and I really liked. Oh god, I'm

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forgetting what her directional debut was. It's an island movie,
Channing Tatum and Adrea Drona. Damn it. Oh it's with
the camera it's like click. It's like it's not click.
It's not that Don Sandler one. Damn it. I'll get
there at some point. But that was phenomenal. I love,
loved that movie. Thought there went to some you know,

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dark places. I think the third act was a little like,
you know, lost me a little bit. So it didn't
get the perfect ten, but I think I gave it
like a four point five out of five. So but no,
really enjoy everything there. And to me, Jeremy Allen White
just feels like a it feels like a Matt Reeves pick.
So that's why to me sometimes when I see these,
when she's like, oh John Dave wash and or you
like myself Joey Dverton, it's like, yeah, and Joey Hurton

(21:45):
is my pick. That's my guy. I would love it.
Just watched The Gift last week. I want that guy
to direct again so bad, Like where is he? He
did a fucking banger with The Gift in a really
good movie, The Boy Race, and he's just drink. He's
directing beer commercials with Harrison Ford, you know. So, But
there's just some about where it passes the smell test.
Who knows if it happens, we'll seem in Springsteen he'll
be hot after that. I guess he's also playing job

(22:06):
with the hot sun so cool and Mandos will see.
But yeah, so Smat, we're gonna tell. Actually, we'll do
the Patreon questions first, says I don't want to forget
those because always, you know, you guys send them in,
so I appreciate them. With Smashing Machine and ed Gan,
I'm going to not give any spoilers that aren't like
very specific scenes. By the way, when we get them,

(22:28):
it's it's gonna be very broad strokes. And I don't
think it's gonna matter too much because they're both true stories.
So it's like, maybe I don't know them, but I'm
not gonna give any massive like like Smashing Machine, like
some of the negative reviews have said, you could probably
a to B the plot, and ed Gen is you know,
a rhyme or reproduction. You could kind of aim be

(22:48):
some things of what you're gonna see. To me, it's
just like the choices of what they do in between, right,
But some Patreon questions last week, let's see here, so
Clay asked, Okay, so it's kind of two for because
Maddie asked this, and then Clay went on to They said,
what are some new horror slash spooky movies you plan
on watching this October? By new, I just mean movies
that will be the first time watch, regardless of the year.

(23:10):
For her Selfie's watching Bring Her Back, Weapons, Clown, mccornfield,
Hell of Summer, Screamboat, Peter Pants never Land Nightmare? Is
that the Peter Pan's never Land Nightmare? Is that the
one that's in the Pooh and Verse or whatever it is? Hey?
Is that out? So? I will definitely January? But is
it out for streaming? I wonder? Okay it is now? Okay? Yeah,

(23:35):
that isn't the Pooh and Verse? Right, there's some of this. Yeah, Matty,
if you haven't watched it, let me know, because I
think for after nine, I know we usually watch a
Halloween movie, and I know there was the Bambi one,
but I'd rather watch the Peter Pam one the Bambie one.
I will watch it on much interest. But if you haven't,
let me know. I know you said you really enjoyed weapons,
did you, Letterbox? I meant to look if you did

(23:56):
or not you did? Okay? Four? Yeah, you're you're where
I am so and Mike, I saw your twenty days
later score three out of five. My god, but I
understand I read your review. I get that, but okay
four so and on that list that I do own thing. Sorry,
Clay said, yeah, this a good question. Any classic horse
or iconic stuff you haven't going across off the list.
Wes Craven's People on the Stairs is when I wanted

(24:17):
to It's so funny you've been saying that, or you
said that, Clay, because I've been wanting to watch it
for the past couple of years. It's just like something
recently I watched on Letterbox. Maybe it's brom Choker's Dracula.
I thought there was something else I watched. I've just
Oh Kate Fear. I just rewatched that for in the
longest time, like over a decade. But it's one that
I've been waiting to be on a streaming service, and

(24:37):
it was on Netflix it felt like for a couple months,
and it disappeared. I rewatched that. But People on the
Stairs is one where I can't find anywhere here on
a stream service that would be legally which I prefer
to watch it that way, So my hope isn't the
Halloween season's gonna pop up somewhere. But I've only watched
that once. I remember being very horrified of it. There's
a lot, like I think there's lots of race stuff

(24:58):
going on there. I remember there's this terrible scene with
the mom the daughters, like it was a fucked up movie.
Now it's one of these things that I don't want to
go watch again. Because there's one where I watched a
movie called dead House Things last year. It's that one
where it's like a broken hand or it's like like
rotting hans or ringing the doorbell. I remember seeing this
whole time, like this is a horrifying image, and then
I watched it. Now I'm like, this isn't creepy at all.

(25:19):
This is not what I thought about at all. Right,
So there's a couple movies I've always said this is
one movie with a girl and her husband and they're
staying at like a cottage and there's like a guy
that's like the yards keeper who lives in a house
down the way, and like, you let me know if
anything's happened, because there's a killer on the loose. And
there's this whole slow motion where he's talking about killing
somebody and it ends up he's the killer or something.

(25:40):
I want to find it because Deadhouse I found. And
there's another movie with Tim Daily where he's like sacrificed
a girl like sleeps fro him and she's using him
as like sacrifice for the devil. This movie about these
people camping or I got cottage and the guy looks
like Adam or Alec Baldwin, but it's not him, so
I'm not sure if it's ball. When I've looked, I

(26:01):
can never find it. So that's one that I have
to find one day. But yeah, so anything, let's sae
kind of bring her back, Yeah, Maddie, that that one's
a favorite of mine this year. Luckily Kirkland saw one
battof or another, so I think that might be his
patron or his gold geese pick if I don't have
anything else. Bring Her Back is definitely my golden geek
pick as right now. Clown Corfield, we got to review

(26:22):
there each check out it was it was alright. I
was a little let down by it. I thought that
the trailers were much better than the actual movie. So
actual spooky movies, I know, April said this in the discord.
My plan is maybe to watch it tomorrow maybe, if
not Wednesday, I want this weekend. But it ran at
the time of his VHS Halloween, and honestly, that goes
in all of them where I think I saw one

(26:43):
VHS and I think it was one of the ones
that was not a good one or had a bunch
of segments I did not join, did not continue it.
I want to. I've heard nothing but good things about
the Halloween one, and that's when where the trailers were
top notch for the VHS Halloween. And I love like
anthologies and small stories put together, goosebumps, tri or Treaty, Afraid, Dark,
all that type of stuff like creep Show. That's my bag.

(27:04):
That's one of my favorite horror genres. So that's on
the list for this week. But then, like as a
double answer to your question, Maddy, I think I'm gonna
try and watch I'm gonna go back and watch a
lot of those because I know there's a couple of like
this is one of the most scary stories so and
I feel like maybe I saw it when I was
younger and just didn't appreciate as much, and maybe two.
I it's much like first person shooters. I'm never the

(27:25):
biggest found footage guy. I think I like it more
so uh now, or I can appreciate more where I
think when I was younger, I just didn't really enjoy
it at all, which a lot of VHS stuff is, right,
So I think those are gonna go back. Like the
next couple of weeks, Him and Conjuring will be on
vod s. I'll watch those because I'm interested in those.

(27:45):
If there's any iconic ones, let's see iconic horror movies.
I don't know, Clay, if there's anything I've missed. The
only stuff I want to watch is stuff that's like
really really old like stuff that I just saw one
on my timeline. When was it? Because I follow this
account that's like beautiful shots or whatnot. Like it's just
it looks like it's uh okay, so jap and needs movie.

(28:10):
Let's see Kowandian. I don't know. This is a poster
right there. It's one of those where it's just like,
what's the best looking horror movie? But that's from nineteen
sixty four, so I'm not trying to be like a horse.
And oh it's on your list too, Clay. I see
you there once to watch, like I want to watch that.
So I'm not trying to be a horse sob. I
just feel like when I was younger, horror was my genre.
So I just went through everything that was like the

(28:32):
big hitters, right, But I'm trying to think that there's
one that's like a I haven't seen, like Cycle. I've
been thinking about giving a rewatch because of Edgan. There's
some stuff there, but I'm trying to look through. I
think there's a couple like zombie horror movies. I'd like
to like some of the Return Living Dead Nights to

(28:52):
Living Dead. I think I saw them on TV here
or there, but nothing official like I remember really well,
same thing, A couple of monster flicks like the Draculas
and everything. But like as I'm going through, like like
was Men's Health. I don't know why I'm on Men's Health.
It's the first thing that came up sixty two most
iconic or the best horn movies all time, and they
are just like Nightmare, Scream, Halloween, Lost Highway, Creature from

(29:16):
Black Like that's when I could watch Poltergeist, No, The
Thing No, which I do want to rewatch though, but
I'm just trying to find something new of these that
I haven't I actually ever saw the original or the
remake of Fright Night, So maybe the Hat I let
the right one in. I've seen that a long time ago.
The Fly I started to watch. I want to get there. Yeah,

(29:38):
there's just there's not too much like Misery Shining, Frankenstein,
no Texas Chainsaw Acts like, Yeah, there's there's just not
much on these lists that I have not seen. Clorefield
one I would like to rewatch because I haven't seen
that in a long time, and I Living Dead, Like
those are ones that I think I saw like on

(30:00):
TV but don't have like great memory, so I would
maybe count those. Okay, here's one and up to Taylor,
I will get to a trained to Bison. I've never
actually done that. I've never it's all my Netflix watchless.
I want to, but I just haven't gone around to it.
So yeah, I think it's like a lot of those
like foreign horror movies that I are the ones that
I want to watch because everything else I've seen or

(30:21):
I just haven't I haven't seen a long time, but
I have seen a variation of it, So there you go,
but yeah, I'm excited. So and then there's like Pumpkinhead
coming out. There's a lot of like random Netflix horror
movies that I've had on the list that I want
to watch, and then for new stuff as well too.
It's like we talk about after nine, there's a tons
of like they're going to pro train to Bison is
my favorite song horror movie, and I hear that all

(30:43):
the time, right, it's just like I again. Another one
Apro brings up is when evil lurks like I think
those ones on Shutter, Like those are a couple lots
of the Shutter ones I want to catch up on.
I'm probably gonna subscribe to whenever I get a chance
to watch VHS Halloween because that's when I'll get that.
But a lot of those movies, you know, like Good Boy,
when I can watch that, so yeah, there's nothing that

(31:04):
that's the only thing they clay. And same thing with
the foreign films. I can't watch why I work because
also I'm working and most of time I'm watching background stuff.
The only time I can watch is at late night
when everyone's asleep. But the problem is most late nights
I podcast and because I'm so busy. Then the other
late nights, I hang on damnly and she doesn't want
to watch like Kawanda, you know, so that that's the

(31:29):
thing that's always the hardest ones, uh to watch. But yeah,
and then Maddie, which we can go into or sorry.
Mike asked, Uh, what are your predictions for tron Ares?
Does it have projections yet? Before I bring it up,
I'll guess and then i'll see if I'm close. I
feel like it's gonna be in the thirty to forty

(31:51):
million range. But I feel like whatever the projection is,
that might go down because reviews all look of that too.
I don't know what review bargo is. I felt like,
if they are very positive, it should be out there,
they should be building this hype. Luckily, as I said,
for myself, I got The Nine Dales, on which I
have enjoyed a lot so far. So I'm a winner already.

(32:12):
You know my excitement. Everyone check out on Patreon. We
got the Tron and Tron Legacy retrospects up there. Those
were tons of fun to go back because those were
a couple of movies I hadn't really seen trying a
long time, and Legacy a bit of So I'm gonna
say thirty to forty if I were if you were
hitting out the exact number, I'm gonna be positive and
say like forty two. But I could see it being

(32:34):
like a thirty nine. Like I don't know what the
interest is for Tron, So it has to have like
a good international run, has to have a good opening,
because I don't know if the word of mouth is
going to carry it to lots of stuff. And plus
I think it's a I kind of feel like it's
a bad time in my opinion because the next couple
of weeks, which there we were used for all these right,
we got the black phone too. We maybe got Garimo

(32:56):
del Toro's Franken sign. We haven't got tickets. I'm not sure, April,
if you're still in chat to you guys, have you
got tickets for that yet? Because let me check my
app here. We want to see in theaters, but our
theaters have posted for those like weeks and I haven't
seen anything. But of course we've got the fucking Avatar
re release, mystery movie Nights Tonight, No we got luckily,
Halloween is playing at the theater. I've never seen the

(33:18):
theater so that's a week of Halloween. I'm excited, but
uh yes, so no, I don't think we're gonna gear
moot deltur on frank Inci. I never, never, rarely get
the Netflix ones I actually want to see in theater.
But my point is with Tron Black Phone two, Shelby Oaks,
and is there nothing Halloween coming out there? And even
like it, like like welcome to Dary, Like I know

(33:39):
it's a show, but some people somebody like, oh, stay
home and watch this, but like for showing, is there nothing?
What's the week of Halloween? Here? Week of Halloween? Okay,
let's see Chainsaw Man. No not really, yeah, no, not really.
I guess the Springs movie comes out, which I understand,

(34:02):
like Bogonia comes out the thirty first, so I guess
it's pretty mention it. I just know tickets here considering
going to Casey to see it. Yeah, for us, the
only place if we get tickets would be somewhere four
hours and I can't make that drive right now in
the middle of everything. So I hope you get it closer.
I hope you all get in that it's like sooner
because I remember, like the Tarry Swift Moon which will

(34:22):
tell about box office tickets didn't go and sell here
to like six days before, so I'm hoping. But I
just don't think tron ares screams Halloween tough thing is
because it doesn't like it screams summer, but you can't
put in the summer, so it would die there, like
to me, like, I feel like you want to try
and maybe go more springish, but I don't know. At

(34:43):
the same point too, it's kind of like, do people
care about Tronto movie? I don't know. I really didn't,
at least until I saw the trailers, right. I saw
the trailers and went, Okay, I'm I'm in. But I
just don't know if you're gonna have that effect it
is we told about one after nine. I've been getting
a lot. It's all over the NFL previewing, and I
just like, I don't think the football crowd is it either.
But let's see. I'll look up. So I'm gonna say
forty two million, let's see tront Aries tracking if it's out,

(35:06):
because I've not seen anything. If it is, let's see
here and Jared Lett is not like a lead, right,
so okay, I'll be more specific box office tracking I
don't even know it's out. Let's see. Okay, says twenty
minutes later. Let's see is making someone's a little bias

(35:28):
here as Toronto Areas is set to make a wealthy
thirty five to forty five million domestically, I know, possibly
biggest October opening this year. Yeah. Like like again, don't
get me wrong, I'm not saying I guess it's a
good point, right, Like Shelby Oaks is not gonna beat it,
and Black Film might not his radar. I just feel
like those ones might have better repeat viewing though, or

(35:49):
do better elsewhere. So okay, so what thirty five to
forty five I skin in the ballpark? That kind of
made sense to me. When is the embargo for this thing?
Let's see here, let's see. So the embargo is at
twelve thirty am tonight, So it's at midnight tonight pretty

(36:09):
much PST. And then review bargo is tomorrow at nine
am PST. So what two daysy four? Not the greatest,
not the worst, but not the greatest. So we'll see.
I just don't know what the word of mouth and
what that tracking is gonna continue after people see it.
I just I don't know I don't know how Tron's
gonna do. I hope it's a great movie, and then

(36:30):
I hope it does well. You don't want all movies
to do well that are great, but we will see.
But then, speaking of that, this weekend box office, the
only thing I have to look up is what was
the eras too? Because this movie, this Last show Girl
opened up for forty six million. Let's see Airs Tour
movie opening week, and I feel like the air Stower

(36:51):
had to do better, right, WHOA, yeah, ninety two, But
that doesn't say anything right because Airs Tour had been
going on for so long. That was the point where
people couldn't get tickets, like this is my only way
to see it? Where this also too, because really was
gonna take the girls, but then she had a friend
that took one for dollars and just said they're kind
of bored. Because it sounds like it was just kind
of all the reports I saw. Unless you were like

(37:12):
a diehard Swift, you felt like he was very like, eh,
this was all right right, And then that's been you know,
big debate about the album. I liked the album enough.
I am a tatars Swift fan. I liked the more era.
I always say, like The Red eighteen nineteen eighty nine
lover like that three in a row right there, great stuff,
you know, rest of stuff, touch of poets, there's some

(37:33):
good stuff there. Minute, there's some good stuff there, but
it has felt like it's more for that core fan base,
which is massive, right, and you should definitely play to that.
Where this album a bit more popular, which I did enjoy.
There's some songs and I think are really good, but
I think, like the movie doing that, well, forty six
million really good for the very short cycle. It's not
like there's a bunch of hypel like Airs two are
built up and that happened so and very smart of

(37:55):
our team to keep doing this right, especially with this
Who knows if there's gonna be a concert, but I
don't think this is the last time. And again I'm interested.
I hope that movie she's directing happens. I want to
see it. I want to see what that'd be like,
because I think she's good with some of that lower
stuff or anything. I'm very much like I enjoy Terry Swift,
but I think I'm very much like somewhere in the middle,
where there's I think tons of people that overhete on

(38:16):
or and just like go so hard. Where'm like, I
don't understand the personal vendetta. But then there's an other
side where like like I think there I think because
the success people contruve that also is like the you know,
she's one of the greatest writers in the history of
No no, no, no, we're not We're not gonna go We're
not gonna go there. So I think she's very over
hated by a lot of people. And then I don't

(38:37):
want to say overrated, but I think and I don't
even know hype. It just feels like sometimes it's too much,
too much for what is what is there? Right? But
I'm a big fan of music and her and all
that stuff. And I think, you know, very much like
the rock, very smart, business savvy. So speaking of the rock,
So now talk Smashing Machine, got twenty Man's gonna try
and do timits Smashing Machine, Tim and ed Gaan Fast

(39:00):
and Furious. We'll talk about on Wednesday. I just love
that they're like, yeah, the rumor is there's no movie happening,
and there's multiple photos of Vin Diesel on set. It's like,
what is going what a mess over there? Right? But
we'll talk about that Wednesday or even Friday. So that
finished it. I think it was like somewhere between sixty
seven million. I don't know if we get like the
final final number, I guess, so I guess at one

(39:23):
point this was tracking. I think it was tracking like
twenty million, right, So that's not good in that sense.
If that was a tracking number, that's like fourteen to
thirteen million lower, that's not good. I'm not surprised here, right,
And all I hope is I've seen this year sentiment
otherwise right where, and I'll put my kind of review
with the box office where. Funny enough, the movie is

(39:43):
not as good as his performance, which I think a
lot of us could have worried, and I actually wasn't
worried once I saw that trail, like, oh, he fucking
got SI. But when you heard about the movie, you
could have thought, oh, he's not gonna live up to
an a twenty four Minnie Sating movie. The movie's gonna
be great, or yeah, the movie's gonna be great, and
he's gonna be the weak point. He is the strongest
point of the movie. And I echo the sentiments up.

(40:04):
I hope he does not take this and go oh
fuck this, you know, not like I'm sure the guy
with Teremana with all those big movies with Zoa, with
the rock brand, you know, to the last after nine,
you know, good on entrepreneur all over the place, right,
I would have and even wrestling. I would hope that
he has enough money and he's not like Nick Cajun

(40:27):
dead having to work it all. Like to me, I
hope that Squirresensity movie happens. I don't know what the
Chicken Man movie, but I hope this is not a
sign of oh that didn't work. I tried it. Whatever,
Let's go back to Jamanji five, six seven, Let's do
mo Wana like no, Like he showed to me the
Rock Dude Show, he could win an oscar with the
right material and right movie, he could. I still think

(40:48):
he could be nominated this year. I have to wait
and see all the performances. But when I watch it,
it's a nomination worthy performance. It's a movie that skews
more to me. I gave it on the letter box
of four out of five, and it's like to me,
like an eight at ten that's enjoyment. As an actual movie,
I think it's more like in the seven range. But
I love movies that are I've said this before, Drive Shame,

(41:10):
American Psycho, Tar, Promising Young Woman I like for the
most part, and that's why I probably like The Batman
so much. Right, it's when it's solely focused on one
character in their journey, and that just there's something about
where I varying degrees of good or bad. Of a
bunch of movies that do that, right, But like I
enjoy the soul journey of you know, you start with them,

(41:31):
yet with them, there's a fuel side things going on
with other characters, but most of screen time is on
them and you're going through it and it's a great performance.
It's a great performance that I like even then, like
there's a lot of people in it, but stuff like
the Gray, like Leomnice in the fucking Wolf movie. I
love that, like just this character on this journey figure
out life, going through the shit, you know, like and
that's what the rock is doing in here. I got

(41:52):
this biggest cal like over there bugging me, but he's great.
There's a scene I don't think it's a big spoiler,
it's about you know, the guy eventually gets to his drugs.
They show in the Trails. Right. There is a moment
where he is in Japan and it's after a fight.
He's trying to get some drugs, like just like like
over the counter drugs. But you know, listen to a
good podcast, listen to people don't know about this world

(42:14):
is kurd Angle. You know, we joke about where is
where is he here? We joke about perk Angle. Yeah, yeah,
I want to have water. I have no idea where
it is. We joke about that. But he on the
Joe Rogan podcast, which like, not a big fan of Rogan,
but he is a good I've really stopped listening to
now other than the occasional person goes on Rowan aside

(42:35):
for some of the stuff he says is a very
good interview, and he had a very good conversation with
kurd Angle. He told the story how he would go
get the prescriptions, you know, percocets, all the type of
stuff where one doctor prescribes it for you. But because
he had doctors in all different towns, because he rests
their travel and whatnot, how easy he could. And there's
a couple of times in this movie they show how
easy someone of fame, money and fortune and that is

(42:55):
has it prescribed to them, could easily get their hands
on a bunch of drugs that you can get addicted
to heavy. Right, So in Japan he can't do this.
He doesn't have a doctor there, and they give him
something and he's like, well, a little stronger and they
go like a little little strong like he's trying to
hint around it. And there's a time where the guy
just goes like sorry, like I need a certification to
do this, and he goes, well, I certify you to

(43:18):
go back there and get this. I shit you not
the I'm not. It was not that levels, but like
the rock I could, I want to see him play
a villain. I want to see him play like not
the exact he couldn't do exactly like this because he's
not that level of factor, but like it felt like
an anton sugar of this is just a regular moment
of guy asking for drugs. But Duayne Johnson was scary

(43:39):
in this scene. The size helps, but it was his
demeanor it was. And he just because he's getting like
slowly more annoyed and frustrated that he will not give
him stronger drugs and it's just like I'll give you
a athlute. You just handing out like can't like he
is staring a hole through this guy, and he's so good.
It was su It was the final And that's why too,

(44:01):
Like le generally, big people can't beg on wrestling for
a lot of stuff. But when he was doing that stuff,
that whole beatdown he did to Cody and the Rain,
I was like, this is legitly the best acting I've
seen for the Rock ever there is acting in wrestling.
That's why Adam Copeland like around some of the stuff
he did, like Edge, he was one of the best
at all those type of demeanors. Eddie Garrell, Man, Eddie Garrel,

(44:21):
if he made the transition, could have been a fucking
academy where Eddie Garrell could act circles around every day,
make you feel every emotion. It feel nuanced and real. Right,
So he's really good. I think the only critique I'd
have for him is sometimes his accent or the voice
he's doing goes a little bit in and out. Sometimes
he sounds just like Dewayne the Rock Johnson. Other times
it sounds like Mark Kurr. And when he's doing Mark Kerr,

(44:42):
it's like that helped a lot because they don't see
the rock, because there's times when they do the pro
sext but you still see him. But so I think
the movie overall is a good movie. I like the
visually whise like the fights. Yeah, I don't think there's
anything special there, but the visuals of the movie how
it kind of seems like a bit of a throw
back to There's some grain going on and some it

(45:02):
just feels like a movie of an older age. I
like that aesthetic going on. I would love to do
that with our movies, but we don't have the fucking
money to do that. So I appreciate anyone that does
support GV Studios to Patreon and whatnot, because what we
do is the best we can do right now and
hopefully in the future, you know, win some festival to
get us some money and everything. But like I love
the film grain old look like that seventy millimeter type

(45:23):
of stuff. We can't get there, right, I don't even
think this was sewn seventy millimeter, But they're trying to
like kind of mask it, you know, fanom that right.
So visial, like the movie, pacing is fine up until
like the third act. I think the third act is
kind of messy because they kind of have a story
with another character that doesn't feel earned. It feels like
that character needs more screen time. Definitely feel like this

(45:44):
we need to be longer. It feels like the relationship,
the charisma him and Blunt have is very good. The
relationship they're just trying to say, and I'll say Nonstoy
ways that it's like a toxic environment. I don't think
on either side, because they're trying to show both of
them are not the best for each other, right, I
think on either side it doesn't get there. I think

(46:05):
acting wise is fine, but there is a lot of
just like something happens, and then they do a lot
of yelling, right, and Emily Blunt at times is playing
the that meme of the boxer's wife right of you've
seen the look at her And I think every problem
I have with Emily Blunt in this movie is purely
down to writing or maybe even directing. And I will
say from good Times to Uncut Gems, which I love,

(46:27):
Uncut Gems's masterpiece type of film. In my opinion, this
is definitely his weakest work and we'll have to see
with the other Safty when he does Marity Suprema shall
mat right, Oh excuse me, I should have Maude the
mic a terrible podcaster. But for me, the there it'd
be like perfectly fine and the like Emily Blunt would

(46:50):
say one thing he does and then the fight is
all about that. But the way they make the fight
is like it's supposed to be building up to that,
and it's I think sometimes a case of tell, don't show.
And that's where I think that sometimes they give screen
time the stuff that didn't matter or it wasn't as
engaging like the fight stuff, right because the fights weren't
there as far as like oh I can't wait to
see this when there's a lot of that going on
a lot of the trainings, like I want to get

(47:11):
back to the character stuff. And then it felt like
a little underdeveloped. So that's the thing where I felt
like some of the side relationships, especially the romantic one,
was a little underdeveloped. It got a little rinse and repeat,
especially the third act, it feels like a lot of
the kind of similar stuff we're doing here, we've done
already and it's just no variation of it, right, So,
but good acting by them, both Emily Blunts grating it
as well too. Like her, The Rock have a good

(47:32):
back and forth. So so yeah, I would recommend if
you like, if you want to see The Rock do
a great performance, I recommend that. I think if you
like the fighting game and you havec and pride, there
is enough in there for you to enjoy it. I
don't think it's like an all timer or anything, but
there's enough there. I did see April your review. Your
found a little bit boring, and I could understand because
I think I won't say there's ever times where I

(47:53):
was bored, but there's definitely times where I was all right,
just less engaged. I just would unengage and check the claw,
care how much is left? Okay, that's fine, But I
was never like, oh this is awful. But I just
especially I think near the third act it did lose
its way a little bit. I think the first act
is the strongest part of the movie. And yeah, I
think Rock is very good, emotional, scary at times, and

(48:15):
I hope he I hope he keeps it up. He
getting nominated and we have to see, right because like
I think the so like the projections would be. We
think Shame is getting nomination. We think maybe Leo might
get a nomination. So that's already three. There's gonna be
a bunch of other dark horses that come out throughout
the seasons that we don't even predict, right. So, Oh,
Daniel Day, which is another movie that I I will

(48:37):
see EVENU. I don't think i'll see in theaters just
I haven't looked interested other than Daniel Day. I'll see
because of him, but I have really no interest in
the movie right now. It sounds like the movie is
similar to this. The movie is good but not great
like his performance. Right, So we'll see my god falling
on the throat and I have no idea where my
water its disappeared. Monster again won the show here, So yeah,

(49:00):
this is a Netflix show. Obviously, I did not know
they're doing a four season with Lizzie Bordon. So that's
exciting because I don't know too much about that remembers
Charliana's supposed to be back. But I'll talk about this
show because we got only eleven minutes left, so people
don't know. There is a review on the feed somewhere.
I'm a big fan of the Jeffrey Dahmer one I
think of Mike asked this a couple of weeks ago,
like what is Ryan Murphy's best thing? And I could

(49:22):
make an argument that I probably think it's Dahmer Moss.
I think that was and I understood there's a whole
porch that review and going into and I'll talk about
a little bit here. If I understand people that don't like
these and thinking it's glorifying killers, I think the Dahmer
one did its best not to do that. I think
they showed some of the negativities of that where I
think this show lacks that. But I understand I'm never
gonna look at somebody and be like, no, it doesn't's

(49:43):
like no, I understand if that's how you feel, if
it feels goes overwhelmed, I'm not gonna fight people in that.
I can just disengage with most of that stuff. You know,
I've always said, I think the only one that I
have a problem was that if if anyone ever makes
a movie or what not or series on like Ben Wall,
like Chris bin Wallder wrestler, don't know if I could
watch that because that was like a childhood trauma of like, hey,
one of your fair wrestlers and heroes murdered himself and

(50:05):
his family, and I still can't watch his matches. So
I get it. There's stuff that people might feel too
close to home or just too serious, right, And I
get it with this right, I think this one's a
little less so you hear because with Dahmer there's a
lot of people that are still live that were affected
by him, right, were at gain a lot older less
so right, So this show, So I love Dahmer. The

(50:28):
Menanda's brother was it was fine. I think there was
some good episodes and some episodes I think it ended
up being just okay. Other than Harvey Arbardam was phenomenal
in that show. He was really good. And that's what
I'll start with the pauses where I feel that Charlie
Huntum is really good in here. I think only any
issues I have with him are some direction or writing

(50:49):
where they kind of make the character unnecessarily funny and
not in a dark humor like they did with Daughner,
like in a way where it feels like a parody
at times. It feels it's like simple Jack or zoom
Leander because the voice is doing which I understand. He
got tapes he tried to mimic that I think it's
just some of the situations they put him in. It

(51:10):
could come off as kind of funny, which is not good.
But his performance really good. This guy has evolved so
much since the first few seasons stuns anarchy. I'm a
fan of Charli Hunt. Hm, I kind of hate for
his career like Pacific, Rim, Rebel Moon, and now this,
Like it's just because this hasn't been reviewed the greatest
and I am definitely in that camp. Yeah, it's tough.

(51:31):
I don't even know if I have like a final
score right like, I feel like the overall here is
where I am. Like, I think the highest I could
go on this is like a six out of ten,
and the lowest would be like a like a four
point nine. I could fail this, so right now, I'm
I would only pass that you have a six for
Charlie's performance. And I think visually another probably wasn't gonna
mention I forgot about visually. Very good looking show, very

(51:52):
well shot show, just like the trailers are some visuals
where it's like stunning took their time, but kind of
like some other stuff where it's style over substance. I
learned this after the fact, then double learned this after
the fact where I was like, oh, it is Ryan Murphy.
Even just doing the pilot where Ryan Murphy did a
lot of Dahmer, he didn't do much of this. He
just produced and I can't remember the guy's name, but
he's like the main showrunner this and wrote most of

(52:14):
the episodes. And then Mike kind of laid out some history,
which is funny because like I've watched a lot of
Ryan Murphy stuff, I just guess I don't look into
it as much. So kudos to Mike for giving this
information where a lot of this guy's stuff is the
guy that's doing it this season is oh it's Ryan Murphy,
kind of done with something and then hands it off,
And that's what it feels like. It feels like lesser
Ryan Murphy. Which again, Ryan Murphy is an acquired taste.

(52:36):
If you say you don't like Ryan Murphy stuff, absolutely understand,
I get it, right, It's it's not the same. But
it's like we're Clay and Mike, and then I chimed
a little bit, we're talking about Wes Anderson. It's like
for me, it's like well made stuff. I'm just kind
of done with his stuff right now, right just doesn't
intrigue me so any and people say all the time,
but like Tarantino, right, so it's like I understand for

(52:57):
his work here, but for me who does like his work,
you can tell Ryan Murphy versus like left over, reheated
Ryan Murphy. And that's what the show so kind of great,
very good performance, very stoic, very especially near the end.
There's some breakdown stuff he does very well, but even
the stuff where he has to play the docile like
the gentle monster, he said, very good, visuals, very good.

(53:19):
I think acting overall is pretty I'll say acting with
the main characters is pretty good. I think there's some
questionable side characters are one episode characters like I don't
know about this was a little too over the top,
I think. And this also doubles into my negatives, is
that I think there's a lot of good concepts here,
but again they don't fully diamond him, so that almost

(53:41):
leans a negative. But I will say too where a
positive is. I feel lots of times you'll a show
like dahm Er where people say, oh, this guy's fucking crazy, right,
but the show from his perspective shows how he's not crazy.
And I think a lot of the movies and shows
when someone that's crazy you're dealing with. Okay, we show monster,
but it's kind of like a layered like, oh, this
is why they do or why they think they do it,

(54:04):
and they they kind of make the argument, oh, was
he a uh you know, a all their person that
we think is crazy because he did these bad things
or was he actually crazy? And maybe a show doesn't
pick a lane, it kind of does both where I
think with Dahmer did pick a lane, but it showed like,
oh why people could insinuates crazy and some why he
had some mental incapacities, but how he got there. This show,

(54:26):
I think, does a good job of ed gain, which
there's tons of history of showing that, like he doesn't
even remember killing all of these people. I think the
show is like a good unreliable error. You feel many
episodes you're watching a crazy fucking person you know, like
you you don't like, and that's a good thing. I
think it does sometimes hurt the show with other things
going on. It's paced very odd. The pacing is definitely negative.

(54:48):
But the show makes you feel uneasy. It makes you
feel like you are not to have your hand on
the driver's seat or the driver's seat handle, whatever. I
don't know. I don't drive a car. It's all over
the map in some good ways, and I think that's
a good thing. Where it does feel there's so many
times I feel like they, oh, this character's crazy, they're

(55:08):
out of their mind, or even if they're just sick,
it doesn't really feel like that. It feels like it's
justified to a normal to be a normal person acting wise.
They're like, oh, by the way, you're sick and you
just have from X, Y and Z. So I think
they did that right. There is a cut, there's and
I this is minor spots. So if you've not seen
the show, I think it's a good prep. But if
you've not seen the show, I think you know. I

(55:29):
don't think it'll bug you too much. But they have
four different plot elements here, and I understand what they're
going for. And I didn't know they were gonna do
this literally in the trailer when it was like oh
with Texas chainsaw with Psycho with inspired sound slams. They
literally do this in the show where there are multiple scenes.
The Psycho ones the most where they cast someone I
can't remember his name oh, it's Tom Holnder as Alfred

(55:51):
hitchhaw Cock. And they cast like some guy as Osgood
or Osgod Perkins as the son Anthony Perkins. There's a
whole episode about like the making of Psycho and how
like Anthony Perkins was cast because uh, hischcock thought he
was a gay man, and then he's like, does that
make me a monster? There's concepts and plaw lines with

(56:12):
that Texas Chainsaw Masacre of Science on Lamps and with
the Nazi stuff that inspired Ed Green that I get
what they're going for. Didn't work for me. It felt
very unsubtle. They had Charlie Hunnam recreate movie scenes that
I just thought were like literally in Science and Lamps
are using literal music tracks from that movie where I go,
it's not even like a wind winking and anymore. You're

(56:34):
just remaking scenes with ed Gen. And it just especially
too the Chainsaw stuff, because I've looked after American Psycho
and stuff. Like I've said before, like I did a
lot of stuny about cerocoes like that didn't even fit
his mo Like a lot of stuff was completely made up,
but they have them. They're like, well the last SHOTZ
see if ed Gen and this is with the chains on,
You're like that didn't even happen though, Like it's just

(56:54):
like that's the thing where I'll say I'm not always
guy where it has to be a one to one
because you are. If you want that, watch a documentary.
But there's tons of stuff that is and stuff I
had to relook up or find out for the new
time that is just completely made up. And it does
feel not earnest where the Donnar stuff stoock pretty close.
There are some insinuations, but this is like insinuating a

(57:15):
lot of stuff that we don't know happened or likely
didn't happen, which I think is a negative. But yeah,
this concept of a whole episode about Anthony Perkins and
his struggles, I don't dislike the struggles. I understand the
point of some of that, but I think it takes
away from the show and it throws off the pacing
all the time. So there's multiple times a show where

(57:35):
none of our characters in this and it's in a
completely different era. And I get what they're going for,
the concept of look at what it Edgie has inspired,
and I think they hit on that a bit near
the end in a better way with the actual real
life killers. But I just think either to take that
out or was just the pacing of it was off
and it didn't fully hit I get what they're going for,

(57:55):
just didn't work for me. And I don't think it's
some of the best stuff. And that's some of the
stuff where I think maybe it's not the best act
in some of like the Hitchcock Tom Holder is good,
but there's other castings like this just isn't really working,
you know, it doesn't feel like this actor doesn't feel
like that. So I think that was a misstep. I
think I think they probably could have, you know, sure,

(58:22):
that's the stuff I know. I don't think they should
have shorted it. They should have made it longer and
took out that stuff because there's two concepts that they
touch upon, and then they didn't get into They didn't
talk much about like how the police kind of let
him get away of everything just because it was like, oh, well,
good old ed Geen. You know, there is about three
episos maybe four of and I get it some of
it's true, but you gotta dial back a little bit

(58:43):
of ed Gean because he's sick, does not know he's
saying bad stuff, so he'll go up be like, oh,
I took this person's head off, Like, oh, Eddie, he's
so funny, like you know that, No, Like I'm serious,
how your jokes man? Like you're a weird guy. That
is like four episodes of Yeah, I took a skull
and I made a bull out of it, Edie, you

(59:06):
darn you. And and again it's to the point where
they make it comedic and not. I think they're trying
to get to the point where because he's a simpleton,
that people write it off. But that's like, that was
the point in real life was people did write it
off and you shouldn't police, you shouldn't look. You kind
of fucked up here, right, that one. I get why
they didn't dive too much into because in Dahmer they

(59:27):
dove a lot into police kind of fucking up. So
I understand you don't want to do that over again,
but I'm sure it happens a lot of these killers, right.
The two other ones that they tease and talked about
a little bit, especially the third one was mental health,
and I don't think they did dive in there either.
Kean talks a little bit about how lost these things
he did or these fantasies were because he's alone. No
one wanted to talk to him, incorporating the whole town.

(59:48):
Treat him like he was in exile, right, and he
just felt so lonely. That's why he would dig out
these bodies and do these things. Not a justification, but
is a justification for someone that might be skitz or
it was schizophrenic, right. I think they're trying to because
this is in the middle of the heat of when
he gets arrested, and I think they're trying to go like, hey,
like people that are sick or might not be exactly

(01:00:09):
like you, they still need help and they still need
love and nourishment. Try to be good to your better person, right,
And it's just like a couple, like a line or
a segment really and then that's it. They move along
and it's like, ah, there's more there. And then the
other thing, because I got to end the show is
at the end, I think they did some good stuff
where so myner suppose if you know nothing about Edgie,
it's the ending of a story where he does get arrested,

(01:00:31):
and that's thing where he does not know he missed
his two killings. But there's a bunch of killings that
he did do, but because he is schizophrenic, and I
think there's back and forth. I think the show was
right where I think they did deem like, no, he
was actually sick. I think a lot of criminals like, oh,
he's a smart guy. It's like, no, he was messed up.
There there's some stuff he might have not fully talked about.
But still they say, hey, you're not going to prison,

(01:00:52):
You're going to a mental home. And he's been there for
many years, and he's like and at this point he
isn't killing anybody, he's getting the help. He's better. Even then,
when the cops show up to give him some stuff,
which they do a fucking like they bring back mine Hunter,
which I'm sure some people gonna pissed about. I love
the mind Hunter show. They cancel it, they bring those
characters back. They're based on real life characters with different actors.
And I was like, man, what a slap in the face.
We're getting mind Hunter, but not the mind Hunter season three,

(01:01:13):
you bastards. You know, at least if David Fincher's making
squid games and once upon time Holly was see well,
let him finish off My Hunter I digress. So he
does this and even the show photo's like, yeah, this
might have worked for me back then, but this doesn't,
like it doesn't appeal to me now and a loss.
It's probably medication, right, but again this is in the
past when they didn't know what they were sick. But
he kind of figures out that he's never gonna get released, right,

(01:01:37):
it doesn't matter how long he hasn't killed somebody, how
much he feels better or he doesn't have these visions,
He's not gonna get released. And he's like, well, what's
the point, Like you all talk about like you're trying
to help me, and where's the help, because if we're
doing this, it wouldn't the hope to be is to
kind of rejuvenize me and get me back into society
and make me per second function and then get back
out there and live a life. But then there's pretty

(01:01:58):
much like no, like the hell and then you know
this is the helping. Well, the help is a punishment format,
like it's a prison in itself, right, Like they try
to pitch like, well, you won't go to prison, but
he's kind of saying like it's still his prison. But
I think that creates an interesting dynamic, right of Okay,
this person is sick. They did all these things, maybe
not under their control, but they still did these things, right,
And I, if I have time, I would go into more.

(01:02:19):
But that's where it's like I would be It's like
there's certain crimes and certain things where I know people
serve their time, they do their things, but I could
never be their friend, you know, like I could never
have them in their life. If there is somebody that
visually murdered someone or was like a pdfile, like if
they did that, and it's like, oh, for sixty fifty years,

(01:02:40):
I haven't done anything that I went to prison. So
some ways still couldn't be your friend. And that is
that bad of me? Maybe it is right? And the
show asked that question of like someone does their time,
they get their help, they try to fix themselves, and
they are you know, quotations fixed, like what do we do?
But it's still like, well, you may be murdered close
two hundred people or whatever, you murdered dozens of people

(01:03:00):
and these things you don't I murdered them with you know, everything,
with the body parts stuff like that, right, Like you
can know, it doesn't matter how helped you are. You're
is almost like you're too far gone or your crimes
they are too far gone, right. But that's like, then
what is the point of the society as far as
funding this? And then they even make a point of
he's like the serial killer, but he's like a high

(01:03:21):
functioning person now where he's like the people in here
are way more crazy than I am, because they're running around,
they're attacking people like they're completely gone, right, And there's
some dialogue about the funding of how people even myself,
like where with my dad and you're being a psychiatrist
all the stuff, pite nurse as well, like all these
things where it's like he always been telling about the
funding and the lack thereof like that that department would

(01:03:43):
always get the shit and the stick right. And that's
where you like peel myself and I educated where it's okay,
how could you help those people and how could you
get them back into society? But at the same time
it's like there's people like myself, could you trust them
being back there? And they pose these great questions where
I think that's where I defended the Dahmer series that
they went into those questions, and I thought they answered

(01:04:04):
them for the most part. Right of nature, nurture, the parents,
all this stuff. Like even then too, they try to
talk about how Gean sees something and maybe that inspires them,
but it's like they don't get into like, well he
might have saw anything at some point that would inspire them, right,
not just Nazi Germany, which that's a whole segment two.
It's a bunch of episodes. I didn't need any of that,
like one episode, one segment long one, sure, but it

(01:04:25):
just kept going back to it. But I think that's
the thing that disappoints me is there's the and I
will say this, it started rough. I think it's it
started fine, it got rough in the middle, and then
I'd say in the back half last three to four
it did get better and good, even though it made
really no sense where the last act of this show.

(01:04:46):
So spoilers, full on spoilers, because now the episode's gonna
end after I say this. They it's like a whole
episode about like how ed Gen is sick, the mental health,
all this stuffen I hold up somebody. Half the episode,
there's us going on, but it's like hitting on those
things I talk about right. But then the end, like
they are, which I liked, is it's a bunch of
people destroying his graves. They all read on his mother's grave,
not saying any to do that, but the point is like, fuck,

(01:05:08):
this guy killed a bunch of people. He doesn't deserve
a grave, right. But then at the end there's this
guy he sees like a ghost and it's like Anthony
Perkins is Norman based from Psycho and he says, seiz
Ted Levine as Buffalo Bill, and he sees leather face
and then he sees ed gene stant like all or
like he's looking over the car leaving. He's looking all creepy,
and then he has a chainsaw and he's going like this.

(01:05:28):
So it's like, so what you kind of spent the
last portion of this series telling was like, oh, he
was mentally ill, not saying that's right, but X, Y
and Z happened. If he could have gone helped there
some nourishments, some help from the community, maybe we could
have stoped this or at least put hming home before
it hurt people. Right, But then it felt like the
last fifty minutes is like, nah, he's a fucking movie monster,
and maybe it's the point like, look at how we

(01:05:50):
and maybe that's what they're going for. I think they're
trying to go for a look at these people and
this is what we've made him, because the scene after
that has the scene with him and his mother. But
I think the problem is they didn't do a good
job of executing that message that I think is a
good message of what do we do if a guy
who was really meant to ill and had a bunch
of problems became an icon that inspired other icons, right,

(01:06:11):
And I think there's a way to break that down.
But I don't think they did well. And man, there
is like a musical sequence in the last fifteen minutes
that just was also not good. Like there's some not
good stuff in here, So I'm gonna be generous and
give a six. It's kind of like this mashing machine
where I think I could say, hey, as enjoyment, it's
an eight. A critical it's probably seven. I think enjoyment
I got a six. Charni Huntum has a lot to

(01:06:32):
do that in his performance. For like a critical it
could be a five or fail, Like I could make
a case for that because obviously there's some stuff that
is there as good that I talked about, but other
stuff that is not. But yes, they show him that
is it. That is your try has told you four
went a little over for Monday, October six. We'll be
back on Wednesday talking about fast fear some other stuff,

(01:06:52):
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