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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Geek
First Podcast. Welcome to episode six hundred and seventy four.
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
We'd love to say hi or talk to you, whatever
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
But yes, we are here reviewing weapons, and yeah, it's
it's interesting because we has been an anticipated one. I
think for us kind of just snuck up on me
because I think we've just been so busy with getting
ready for this and we just had lots of cast
and reviews and newscasts, so it's been kind of snuck
up on me here. But yeah, if you're interested at all.

(00:57):
Two you can go back. I think it was just yeah, no,
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Just you and me right that did Barbarian.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I don't think we talked about for Golden Geeks, but
I don't think anyone else is on that review.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
But yeah, you can check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
But yes, as usual, we're gonna give our nonsport thoughts
on this movie, and then we'll give a little ad
break and then if that we'll get into full spoil.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
So if you've not seen the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
We'll give you fair warning before we start talking about
the nitty gritty and everything and yeah, everything he knows
down below. But Taylor Field, obviously you were a massive
fan of Barbarian win your favorite movies that year? What
did you think of Zach Gregor's follow up as Sophomore
Slump Sophomore Victory?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Who knows? But what did you think of him coming
back and doing weapons.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I going into this movie was I don't want to
say apprehensive, but I was uncertain. I wasn't sure how
I was gonna like it, because yeah, for me, Barbarian
was just fantastic. It's fantastic, and I don't know how
a movie like that could really be topped. So getting
into this, I thought like the idea behind it maybe

(01:59):
wasn't really gonna with Barbarian. That story, I feel like
I could really drive with it because I feel like,
in a sense, it was written for a person like
me that enjoys that specific style of his zaniness and
craziness and horror.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
So it really worked.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
And then this, I wasn't sure based on the trailers.
Watching it completely blew my mind. When I put it
above Barbarian, I don't think I would it, but it's
just below by a smidge because I really like the
experience of Barbarian not knowing what to anticipate, being in
that that theater.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
So with this though and seeing it, I want to
watch this again.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I walked out of the theater like I wasn't jumping
and like freaking out, but I was.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
My heart rate was alevated street running the streets, b
Ma Carya. It was just wow.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
There was there was a lot going on here, but
at its Court is very simple and I loved how
everything kind of just comes together and it's just like, wow,
this is just absolutely wild. What a wild story, and
the yeah, this is the theme that they were tackling
and then executing it as.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
A horror film. Really really worked for me, and like
I said, I really really liked it. I think everyone
really came up.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
To bat and by the time you get by the
time you get to the point where okay, some serious
shit is going down, I thought I was kind of
figuring it out what was happening, but you still don't
know any like the origin of what's going on. But
then once you get into like that third act, it's like,
this is freaky. There are certain characters that I feel
like I know, I know these people in real life,
which made it really even more freaky. There's lady Yes actually,

(03:37):
which is it freaks me the fuck out. Yeah, really
really freaks me out. But yeah, there's her, There's a guy,
and there's a.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Couple other uh individuals, but I'm.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Not gonna point names or point fingers name whatever. But anyways,
it was just, yeah, very freaky movie, and I'm really
looking forward to watching it again because it's just absolutely wild.
And I'm gonna be recommending this movie to.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Everyone that I see.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
So I'm I'm so so I hope that this guy
pops off with another horror movie after this and keeps going.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
You know what, He's doing next. We already know I forgot,
oh he's and then he's trying to pitch that DC film.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Mostly we'll talk about the newscast later this week because
he's he keeps bringing up that Joker Harley Henchman movie,
so we'll see what happens there. But yeah, we got
Reds and Evil coming next from him.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
So uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
So I'm somebody that I enjoy I remember Barbarian came out.
I enjoyed it, but the problem was I feel like
he got overhyped for me. But at the same time,
there's tons of people like Kirkland likes a lot like you,
and I can see why, right, But I just didn't
enjoy it as much as other people I wore. I
rewatched it this week, and I did enjoy it more
than the first time, not to the same points like oh,
I'm locked in like the rest of us be like No,

(04:48):
I enjoy it, but then there's some issues I have
with it. And that's pretty much how I feel about this.
Like what you said of what I prefer it, I
think I prefer this movie, but I think it's like
a tie because I think Barbarian does some things better
and then has some weak points that this movie doesn't
and vice versa. There's some stuff like I don't think

(05:09):
in Barbarian for the most part, I was ever really
scared or too creeped out. It's more like a disturbing
thing when some stuffs revealed where this there's some creepy,
creepy stuff in here where kind of like, you know,
it's so funny because I was this was probably I'd
have to look at my list, but next to After Sinners,
like and next to Walson Grammer of course.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
But like once I saw.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
The trailer, this was up there as one of my
most It was up there probably my most anticipate movie.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Of the year. It was exactly like Long Legs. And
I felt the same way as Long Legs.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
As far as acts one, act two are fantastic and
Act three is not bad, it's just different. And it's
one of these things where it's a great big mystery
that they've presented to you here in weapons and like
there was the answer you're gonna get there's no that's.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Why I'll hear you in the spoils and like, oh
I almost figure it out.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
To me, it's like there's no figuring out because it's
so original, and that's what I'll say as a reverse,
as a pausitive. That's why I'm still gonna rate this
relatively high. I'd still recommend this to a bunch of
people because I think one like that third act could
land for other people as well, more than me. But
the thing is, there's so like, if you're anybody and
we've talked about this before, but if there's anybody out

(06:17):
there that does the well, they don't make original films anymore.
This is it right here. Maybe Whor is not your genre,
so I get it, but if you don't care about.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Genre, this is very original.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I'm sure there's some inspirations from different arts and works
that Greer would have.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Took from it.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
But to me, the concept and the idea and even
so the like the structure of the film that's not
you know, like mynors spoilers, but like you just watched
pulp fiction tonight, Like it's that type of thing where
it's a you know, like I said, my spoils, it's
not chronological, but so there's a few points of that,
but the actual story and the you know, revelations, those

(06:54):
are very original, and I think there's some great creepy
moments in here. I think there is some of that
stuff where it's like, man, what is going on? So
that's a fun thrill ride. I recommend that, and I
recommend everyone seeing this. But that's where I still think
that the Unfortunately for me, the third act didn't reach
the heights like the revelation and then even the stuff
that happens after the fact and then above that, because

(07:15):
that's where I think it is very similar Long Legs.
I think I do like Long Legs more than this
because there's just different aspects and that that hit with me,
and I think i'd like that. Wore another watch where
I'm excited to watch this again, but Long Legs, I
was like, oh, I really need to watch again to
just feel like I get and see what I missed.
Where this is like okay, I see what they're going
for and it's you know, it's to me.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
It reminds me of like.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
If you have like anthology whrrors or like goosebumps, where
it's like sometimes the the reveal is gonna work for
you and sometimes not.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's not that it didn't work for me, it's like
oh okay.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
But there wasn't more deep dived into it and then
so putting that aside.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
I think the other thing is the pacing.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
At times I think its structure is really good, but
then other times it slows it down. I think the
issue is there's i'll just say one character in particular,
and other character developments that maybe didn't need to happen
because they didn't really lead anywhere, they didn't add much
more to the story.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I will say though, that I love the roll decks.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
I'm not gonna say everybody, because there's certain people that
I didn't think were in the movie, but then I
saw like an hdmage, like they must be in a trailer.
I'll just say the roll decks of people that Zach
is using are like majority Travis actors. And that's my
last one I'm saying to nonspoilers is the performances are
all top tier. I've been since this podcast start, I've
been talking about Julie Gardner because Julie Gardner one.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Of my fair actresses.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I saw her when she was like, I don't know,
like super young on The Americans, and that's where it's like, Okay,
she's a kid actress and she or like you know,
young adult whatever, and she's this good.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's like, Okay, she's gonna be the Beast andies and
what a great year.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I liked Wolfman a lot more than other people, like
you did, Taylor. I think she's great at Silver Surfer,
even though it's a reduced role. But Julie Gardner is
like I like, I don't know its like overall, but
at least for actresses top ten, and I think she
does phenom on here. Brolan I was a little down
on when he got cast because it was supposed to
be Pedro, and then I went to Brolin. I was like, oh,
you know, like we prefer Pedro. Broland's fantastic in here.

(09:08):
It's great to see him do something a little bit
different than like the hard nos like I'm I'm Josh Brolin.
I'm a badass type of thing, like he's been doing
that for a bit, even if it's like with a heart.
And then there's other people talk about later on in
spoilers or even stuff like all in the Aaron Reich
you know again not a great han soul. This is
why to me, it's like air to Johnson, this fair
game when he plays like weird characters, even in an Ironheart.

(09:32):
I like him there when he plays these type of characters,
this is where he thrives. He's not a Airtage or
he's like a Tayo Johnson. He's not a leading man
per se. He's a phenomenal supporting character or a leading man,
but a weird kookie.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Type of character.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
So uh No, I thought this was still like a
like a I'll say this a very good movie, but
great moments and great.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Concepts in it. Like I said, I.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Enjoyed a lot of it, very original, some great show here,
good score that I'll definitely talk about when we come
to going geeks and performances. So yeah, I was glad
I watched US, but at the same time, it did
not reach my expectations. It's nowhere up there with like
Sinners or twenty eight years later. Like I it wasn't
even like close or like wals grom at Life at Chuck,
Like there's quite a few movies i'd put above, and

(10:18):
I was a little disappointed by that. But I'm hoping
the next time I see Zach Craiker's work, I'm not
gonna be like a little letdown. Because I was with
Barbarian and I was with this, but there's still very
good original movies that say definitely go out and see
and support, and they I think are a thrill ride
because they're gonna take you on a journey that you
won't know you're what you're on for.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
So anything else non spoils to talk about too, I think.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
So all right, ladim And so if you've not seen
this movie, we're gonna take our first ad break and
then we're back. We're gonna get into full spoiler, so
you won't be safe, so we will be right back.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
And we are back.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
So that's something I want to get more into, but
like I didn't want to go too full spoilers. So, Tara,
how did you feel about the non chronological You know,
we start with oh.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
God, what was our main character's name? It's yeah, Justine.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
We start with her and it's just like the trailers,
you know, they show, Okay, the kids go missing, she
goes to school, and that's what her story pretty much is.
It's just like if you haven't seen the trailers, to
set up everything that's missing, the kids are missing, the situation.
I really like the kid doing the narration at the beginning.
I will say, and just this is I think the
movie has stuff like this throughout, little things that docted
points when they and I can't remember what song was,

(11:27):
but when they have the kids running at nighttime. I
wish it was like a creepy score or something, but
it was like a classic rock and roll song, and
it just didn't work for me. Later on they do
that work better. But I remember that footage when we
talked about weapons and when they were releasing stuff like
just security cam black and white. Are the kids running?
It was like, that's some of the most horrifying stuff ever.
When they present in the movie, it didn't have that

(11:47):
impact on me like I was hoping, and I think
it was just purely song choice. I did not enjoy
that aspect. But we get her story, and then obviously
something big happens, you know, she gets attacked, and then
they cut.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
And then they go to decks next character.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
What do you think about the way they told the
story as far as they kind of, you know, maybe
give you both.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
I'd say twenty to twenty five minutes of a character, they.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Stop and go to a chapter, and a lot of
time that chapter starts at the very end of the
story or close to that, and then they catch up
with it or they stop at a different point.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
But yeah, what do you think about the non chronological?
Did that work?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
For a year?

Speaker 4 (12:17):
It completely worked? And I mean non chronological.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I feel like it was pretty consistently pushed in the
narrative for or do you get a couple of replays
or a couple of events that are like parallel to
what Justine's story is. But I really really enjoyed it.
I liked the different chapters and there was a few
that were just really catching me off guard when they
throw in like James's story and whatnot his arc and

(12:42):
how that kind of parallels with everything. It's just it's
crazy to see how all these characters and these different
things kind of all connect at the end of the
story in a very weird way.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
But yeah, I think I think it really really worked
for me and HER's definitely it concludes. But she gets
to the gas station.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Right, Yeah, she gets attacked with the vice principal, the principle.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, which that's where it's like, so for me and
you're you're happy with all the characters, all the stories,
everything like that.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
I was there. There was maybe one other character.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
I was hoping that we would have gotten an explanation
for uh.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Who was?

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Oh man, God, why could I drawing a blank? Because
I feel like there's one more character. I wanted to
see some more stuff with uh.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Because the cop is it the the like the sergeant
like all Naron reichs.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Oh it was it was his the sergeant's daughter, because
I wanted I thought, when we get the scene of
her attacking just sine, I thought we got like another
sequence with her or something like that.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
But I mean it's fine, and she didn't play a
major role at the end of the story.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
So yeah, she's somebody I love. So she's she's an actress.
But she's on a podcast I listened to weekly. It's
called how This Movie Gets Made, and it's like, you know,
it was an inspiration we did Netflix and Field, but
they just talk about bad movies.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
But yeah, it's June Diane Rayfield.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
I did not know she was announced run out so
and she popped up And most of the time when
she does stuff, it's all like comedic stuff. I think.
The only thing you may saw in well, you may
saw in two things. Once she was a disaster artists
for a couple of scenes and then two she's in
Did you ever watch that?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Move? Were seth Rogan Charlie's.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
There on are like political in their couple and like
they're not supposed to be dating or something like that.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
It's like a comedy.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
But anyway, so most of her stuff that June does
is all comedic, so it's cool to see that she
was somewhat like a dramatic comedic. But that's seen the
gas station that that's what I mean. That shot so
fantastic where kids have gone missing, creepy stuff's happening. They
don't set us up because you're really you're once the
kids go missing, you're kind of dropped in the middle
of the story for all of right, you're playing ketchup,

(14:39):
which is a good thing. So she they set up
that Justine is deals with it when she's stressed out,
deals with issues via liquor, right, And they don't dive
too much deep into that. And I think that's probably
another thing I I guess talking a little bit like
I feel like that's the tough thing because I feel
like there's what there's Julia Gardner, there's the cop, there's

(15:03):
the dad, there's the principal, there's the kid, and then
there's the Austin Abrams, the you know, the stoner guy,
there's the six stories. And that's the problem that you
don't get to dive full into them.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
So you know, she has a dream problem.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
We don't really go back there, but anyway, she's going
to this liquor store and at this point we've no
like information all of June, Dia and Rayfield's character. So
she justine walks, she gets out of her car. You
can see someone in the distance park and just b
lines to her and you're like, man, what's going on?
And they do this great thing where she goes Julie

(15:36):
Gardner goes in the liquor store. She's walking, June walks in,
and the second she starts to get closed, they have
Julia Gardner's character take a turn and it takes the
camera away and you don't get to see her like
make contact with it, and it's just like she's just like,
you know, two three feet away from getting her and
you're like, oh, this is something messed up. And then
when you get there, it's like, Okay, it's somebody that's
you know, she had an affair with her husband and

(15:58):
it's like a personal issue.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
But the way that shot was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Because you didn't know what was going on, and great
camera work by the by the team there, and you know,
very very embarrassing situation happened to you in public.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
So oh yeah, she's just brutal.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
I mean, that's she's two for two for embarrassing situations
being attacked and these public settings. Because she got long
charged at her in the liquor store or.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
The gas station, I guess I'm not going to count
that as an a bearing situation. I think that that's
the worse than even though the owner.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Was like get out of my store to get the
fight out, she's like fucking help me.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah. I found that weird, Like I was like, I
almost wish they did something where they had like a
quick scene where they established the liquor store owner like
did not care for her, like whether he was a
parent or someone that was attached to.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Them, because it felt weird. Of it's not just this
guy's following her.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Literally ben Iguana and Josh broloncle flying in the guy's
glass like like the freezer and it's broken. There's blood everywhere,
and he's like, good, I must like do nothing, which
again granted maybe there's other homeless people, but at that
point you feel like that you would phone them. But
that was one thing that was weird for me. And
this is where I think I can dock at points
for character moments where I thought from the beginning because

(17:12):
she which again greats I love in the world, there's
no they're just trying to figure out there's not like
oh right now we think like uh, serra killer took
them or this, and that it's literally going with the supernatural,
like they're not saying supernatural, but just like these kids
are missing.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
We don't know why. There's no like real.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Because I think sometimes some movies try to they want
to do something supernatural, but they try to explain it
in a real world way and it doesn't work out,
like in a perfect sense that I thought was great.
That was like Nightmare on Elm Street, where you know
people are always dying and that's always like, oh, well
they killed themselves X, Y, and Z. But then you
have something like Johnny Devin the first one where he
gets sucked through the bed and all his blood is

(17:49):
shot up in the roof. It's like, well, there's no
real world way you could explain this to anybody. Right,
and they just go on like, oh, yeah, you could
kill himself. But it's like, well how did he kill?
Like what happened here? So I liked that, just like, yeah,
these kids are missing. No one knows why. There's no theories,
there's no leads. All they have is some footage and
that's about it. And one kid which I think they
left at the trailers, which I like they established that
one kid was left behind. So it was a classroom

(18:11):
of eighteen and that to me, it wasn't a tip off.
But it's like I was like, Okay, clearly it's something
to do with this kid. It was like that was
a tough thing that you can't bear the lead there.
But anyways, so they're done. I think they're I think
they said it was like two to three months. They
like shut down the school because it's just they don't
know what's going on. One month.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, it was just one month, Jesus, So they shut
down the school. They're going back. Before they're gonna do that,
they do like a town hall meeting.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Right, terrible idea that they're gonna put Justine up on
stage to talk, like what's she gonna say?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Like half the people think she might have done something
or you know that she knows more than she's letting on.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
But she as far as in the story at the
end of the beginning, she's looked as like a complete
innocent character. She's flawed, but they never in the story
make you think at one point she's up to no good, right,
They don't go that route.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
So she's up there, she talks and they're motherfucker and her.
They're all Matt and Bedie.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
One like whisks her away, And I feel like throughout
the story they make it seem like Bibie Wong is
like a pretty good guy who even says like, hey,
don't do this, you could get fired. She does the
thing and he's like, I'm giving you one more warning.
I felt when he died, she didn't really care, like
Josh brawl there because like I know, people if they're
hopefully you've seen the movie, Benik Wong gets infected with

(19:22):
this like voodoo sort of thing which we'll get into.
He's gonna kill Julie Gardner's character.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
He's choking her.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Big fight scene he's running after and great shots too
where he's running after the car. Just like that's happening
to me, right, now and it he's that. I literally, ah,
what happened in theater when he's running the car and
just another car just smokes him and he's dead, and
of course his head's like impaled. But later on her
and Josh Brolin get the hospital and you know, he's like,

(19:48):
how are you Yeah, just a little scraped up, and
she's like you, how are you think?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Oh, scraped up? Like that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I talked to him earlier. It seemed fine.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
It just felt like she didn't care about him at all,
Like there was no like it felt like they gave
to me them too many scenes.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
For her to not feel shaken up at all.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Not only did he die, he also tried to murder you, Like,
I felt like he was just And I don't think
it was an acting choice. I think it was a
writing choice where they just made it seem like she
it could have just been a random stranger they thought,
you know.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's fair. I just I'll take it
as the fact that it was just a business relationship,
and you know, she was driving away so she didn't
see it happen, and she just would have been told
that she was dead, as opposed to where with Paul.
She actually had to shoot him, and she was much
more present for that experience. So but again, I think
it's totally up to interpretation. She yeah, she seemed pretty

(20:38):
fine about it. But that whole scene just I loved
how it cut when she was running into the grocery
or the gas station, and then we didn't get to
see anything else until after when we saw Yeah, Marcus's
kind of transition with with at Gladys fuck.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
So yeah, I like that a lot.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
That's where we didn't get Gladys. We only got her
once in that dream sequence.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
She was in the dream sequence with Marcus.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
And Julia Gardner, which I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
With Marcus and Julia Gardner.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Isn't Marcus Josh Brolin.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Ah, I thought Marcus was the principle.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
It's time to be it. You might be right, but
I will find out for sure.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Because you're you're right, And that's where she was popping up.
I was trying to keep like, what the fuck is
the same, and I laughed out loud. I think the
whole theater did. When Josh Brolin wakes up from his
dream and he's like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, that I got, You're right? So Beniguong was Marcus.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, sorry, Josh Brolin was Archer, but yeah that got
a big laugh. And the line delivery that was great
where he just great moment where he sees his son
sleeping in the bed and then he shines a light
ins the fucking ant Gladys and good jump scared.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
I think that not an issue. But my only issues
like between then the Gardener one.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
They set her up to be kind of like a monster,
which like like, of course she's a monster. She's not
actually a monster, right, She's just like like a creepy
old lady and stuff.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
But it, uh, it worked that way.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I was gonna ask you, though, if there's one story
that I would have cut, what do you think it is?

Speaker 4 (22:06):
One story that you would have cut? Probably James choose James,
he's the druggie.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I'm forgetting. Uh No, I'm fine with that one. I'm
big Austin Abrams guy.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
And you're gonna laugh when I say it that it's
Paul all in there in Rag's character. But hear me
out for a second. Yeah, Austin Abrams, I did not
know is in this. I think I don't think I
could cut that. I think you could make the case
that it could be shortened.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
It depends. I like Austin Abrams, and I found that funny.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
But if I think you don't find that funny, the
story does go on for a little bit. I think
my issue was with the Paul story. They gave us
so much backstory on Paul, like with his marriage and
his drinking problem and his relationship with Justine for him
just to get killed and again like she had a reaction,
but they kind of just move on from it. I
think you could easily just had him in Justine's care

(22:52):
and story of he's an ex, he cares about her,
so later on when she sees him, you've already established
oh that's the cop that you know I used to
Dane love and have a relationship with. He cares me,
you like, even then when it's like him not responding
to text, you could have made that they just recently
broken up.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
I just felt like, and don't be actually liked that.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Guy that played his father in law, that actor and
they had like a good you're like, oh, you know,
anniversary day, Like I liked the stuff in it. I
just thought it kind of because the problem was we
got Justine an Archer story, and then I believe what
was Paul's right or did we get Marcus's after?

Speaker 4 (23:27):
I think Paul came after Archer, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
So I think that was the problem where those ones,
I think we're really picking up the pace, and then
I think Paul with.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
What's the drug?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
EUSt guy named you were James, I think back to
back there was like that was a longer stretch, and
I just feel like the emotional stuff and the character stuff,
like the stuff with his wife, the alcoholism, his you know,
his the sheriff being his father in law, the fact
that they just kind of kill him didn't matter. And
I guess the thing is because I can't remember there's

(23:59):
a movie we were viewed recently where they did that
and they killed Oh.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
I think it was Sinners.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
We me and Kirkland talked about where they You know,
that's why all these characters had these big stories, so
you care about them. I guess my only issue was
I just didn't end up caring about Paul enough.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I felt like I needed more stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
So I think Payson wise that slowed it down a
little for me that I just even though I don't
think the stuff in there was bad per se.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
I think there were some great comedic stuff, and the
stuff with James was good.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I just felt for the overall story, maybe you could
have even just tightened it up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah. I was not expecting Alden to be in there,
and I like Paul's character.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Just I was.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
I thought, I like that you don't really understand what's
going on, and then you know, it just seems like, oh,
Donna and this is you kind of kind of unfolds.
And I didn't think they had actually slept together. I
thought maybe he just passed out or something like that.
But they slept together for sure. But everything was just man,
it just made me cringe. When he's like, got anything

(24:58):
sharp in your pockets, Jame, I don't want to get
pricked her, and he's just he's his whole hand in
there and just the blood on his finger. It's like, oh,
my fucking God. And then I knew it was coming
at this point when he stabs his face with three needles,
like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, I knew.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I knew it was him too, Like like the what
like the the tent stuff, right, that's a good and
that's the same thing. I'm well okay, I'll circle back
to but good jump scare.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
As far as James runs in the wood, he sees
her waving.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Hard very penny wise, like right.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Very pennywise.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, he sees that happening, and then he gets in
his like little drug tendings and stuff, and then it's
ends up being And I was like, you're right, I
know this is all there, and right, he's gonna get
stabbed in the fucking like I didn't think three needles
in the face. I thought there might be a hand again,
but like, in fact, he just got stabbed again, and
like you got aids, you got a hipsy.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Like no, not that I know. So that's good what
I was gonna ask you.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
And I think it's I guess can still work because
she's using kind of magic and you know, dark magic stuff.
But I guess with the reveal, I felt like that
moment with James and then the two dream sequences with
Archer and Justine, I think visually and kind of mood
wise vice wise are done very well. But as far
as for the actual story, they never once made that

(26:13):
like why would that character be waving at James. It's
not like when you brought Penny Wise or Penny Wise
and get in your head and he knows he's coming
for you or you're coming for him. Right where that
like the glad it was Gladys right, yeah, yeah, Like
they never pinted at that, being things like why would
she be stalking like even dream stalking this James guy

(26:34):
and the other two haven't like Archer and Justine still
hadn't interacted with Gladys, but I could maybe buy that
maybe they had seen her at school or seen something
or even.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Sort of did interact with her at this point. Yes,
sleeping and that scene was fucking freaking on.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
The rooftop on the roof when or like yeah, when
when Justine wakes up and she's on the roof like
the of the bed.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
That was that, but I meant, I meant, I think
it was before that happened, when Justine was camping on
the side of Alex's house in her car and you
just see Alex's mom being controlled by glass.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Walk out, yeah, freakishly and.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Just when she stands there, viar pat driverside door and walks.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
And they do a great job.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
They don't show it, but you hear the door fucking open,
And I was like, what it's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
And when she started to cut herself or cut that
like the scissors as getting hereditary flashbacks when you're like
the and you're like that's what At first I thought like, Oh,
it was this person like killing herself in her car
and she's gonna get pinned on it. Yeah, that whole
sequence that might be. That might be the best sequence
of the movie. I know some people are gonna say
probably the ending with the kids, but for me because
also just the way they had her walk out of

(27:48):
that house, like she doesn't walk out like even I
because that's like she's like a scarecrow, you know, like
it's like it it was unsettling, no score, like it
was fantastic. So yeah, that but so like I can
kind of buy them, but like, how do you take
the dreams because they never make that a thing where
all this character is like attacking your dreams or using

(28:08):
magic that way. Especially for me, the hang up is
James because that jump scare doesn't really make sense to me.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
With her in the woods, they didn't interact.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Any thing I can think of is like maybe it's
just like she's targeting and it's like a foreshadow. I
mean that did happen after James went into the house,
and Gladys was probably a cognitive that he was in
there because she did send the two parents to attack him, right,
So yeah, there's probably I think it's maybe something along

(28:36):
those lines.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
But yeah, yeah, it's just something that maybe I'll wait
in here to other people's theories and explanations. I just
think even the dream sequences with because I just feel like,
if you're doing the dream sequences, shouldn't there be a
way to.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Take them out. I can even believe, like you said,
with Gardner, with.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Justine, Okay, I can believe that because she's she is
Targner where Archer, like she has no she doesn't know
that's happening at all, right, Like there's nothing at that
other than him just being a depressed dad. There's no
he's on the mission. He hasn't interacted with Gladys yet,
so I feel like I need to see some stuff.
But that's where stuff I felt like he was kind
of substance over or sorry style over substance where it's like, oh,

(29:18):
we're gonna need some really cool scary stuff here, And
it was, But when you think about overall, it doesn't
really make sense to be right now. Maybe maybe it
will down the line, but yeah, great stuff, great over
stuff like when uh, because we'd seen the trailer. But
that's why even showing the whole movie when Justine stream
and she goes back to school and it's just awesome there,
and he goes up and he has like the joker face,
like that's some creepy stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Going on there, and I think that was good stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I thought there's something else I was gonna bring up here,
but I think I'm forgetting about it.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
So I don't know. Where do you want to go?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Where do we want to go? It is just like
the voodoo concept and ja, yeah, guardy, I liked it.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I liked it a lot, and I caught me off guard,
was not expecting it, and I thought, okay, when Aunt
Gladys appeared, that just freaked me out. And yeah, I
do know someone who is They They talk a little
bit more voodooy than Gladys does, but they they kind
of look like her.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
It's very unstantly. I could just I could see the
person when I was looking. I am Gladys and just her.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
As the story goes on and what she's dealing with
with Alex and just how the parents are there, and
I know we kind of saw it in the trailer,
but just this scene was just freaky when she like
snaps her twig and then the parents start stabbing their
face with a fork, fucking on repeat. It just was cringey,
uncomfortable and then her just doing her weird shit in
the house and all that, And I'm glad they explained

(30:44):
a couple of things. Okay, they knew that the FBI
was coming to the house and they had to clean
it up and all that, and.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Then yes, because right away I was like so many
movie which I think Barbarian. I think Gregor does a
good job of always trying to cover his tracks that
I remember Barbarian, which I still had some issues right
that she like goes back in the house and they
make it where she's like the cops thing she's homeless, right,
so it's like that's why they don't help her. But
I felt like there's more way, Like there's like, say

(31:10):
something else happened, go to a different state, Like I
felt like there was greater things you could do there.
But I understood whatever situation reduced very quicker. But I
like they tried same thing here when it's like they're
coming over and I'm like, Okay, how can I believe
that one they're not gonna see? And I still question
the parents a little bit when like, oh yeah they
she's like, oh he just has a because they show

(31:31):
the dad like, oh he just had a stroke recently.
So it's like, well, what do they say about the
mom then, because we didn't see the mom. So it's
like that would feel all that both the parents are
like in a Comato's type of state.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
So again that to me, I think it was a
little loose.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
But the kids thing I appreciate because because I'm like,
how do they not fucking check the basement? If this
is a situation doesn't matter if you if you if
all the kids went missing and your kid didn't and
you know there's no proof of why this happened, I
don't care.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Your whole fucking house is getting checked.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
So I appreciate though that she they showed that she
took the vote voodoo and made the kids like go
hide somewhere else, like in the woods or something, and
then come back. So I do appreciate that he does
always try, even if it doesn't always work. For me,
or it might be a little loose that he tries
to give a reason in world wide they haven't been
discovered by the police because, like both of his movies
are said in present day, right, it's so hard to

(32:21):
do that now where there's cameras and social media, like.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
It's hard to cover up with that stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
So I appreciate where there's many horror movies that don't
they don't care, They would never explain that and they're like, oh, yeah,
they just didn't figure it out, because it is like
a big leap because like I said, like I think
they do a good job of setting the stakes of
this town is really mad and really damaged from.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Just like it's not like a kid's dying. They're just missing.
They have no answers, right, And that's where I love that.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
I love that scene with Archer where he's with the
like the sheriff and he's just like pissed off and
he's talking about all these theories and everything about like
how the teacher.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Knows some muscle does something, and it's just like, I
don't know if.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
You want me to tell you, Like we have footage
of a bunch of Caid's running on their own like
and he's like, what do you like? And obviously the
reveal is something u supernatural, but to that person, it's like,
what do you want?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Like how can I rest that woman? You know? We
have no idea, so mm hmmmm hmm.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, no, I I think it really really worked with me,
and everything was with Gladys and yeah, just that whole
conversation that he was having with Archer.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
And the sheriff, just like, oh, it doesn't make any
sense what's going on?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
And just it's I like how Archer kind of got
really crafty with it and just kind of like figure
out the trajectory and everything going on. And at this
point I was convinced that it was zombies. And then
when we get to the point where Archer's looking into
it now and that, yeah, just because of seeing Wang
and the trailer and just seeing him his look and everything,

(33:46):
I thought, Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Why are you thinking? Why are you thinking zombies? For
the kids? Initially running away.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Because I thought even with the name weapons, it was
gonna be some secret weaponize drug or something. I don't know,
I'm not sure even when I thought it was like
a paranormal zombie kind of thing, because I remember in
the trailer they showed the salt, the line of salts
and like the crossing of it, but they didn't show
really the parents and obviously what was going on in
that context.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
So it's hard to kind of keep up with that
in the trailer sense.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
But at this point, now, that's when I thought, Okay,
there's something else going on here, and Archer obviously digs
more into it. And I love when Justin Long appears
there and the wife's standing in the side of the
hall just super pissed at him.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Sarah Packson, you know she was big in our age,
remember achelm Marine. You know she's in a bunch of
those type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Oh your looker up.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
She familiar? Yeh familiar.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, yeah, but no, Justin Long.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
That's another one where it's like I got Austin Abrams,
got June Day and Marine Phiel, I got Julie Gardner,
and then just because he was such a delight in Barbarian.
Oh yeah, it sucks. That sucks. Like it's good that
he's in there. I wish he was in something bigger.
But I hope that this is like a reoccurring thing.
I hope when every Zach Gregor, like justin long.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Pops up like on average, he's coming.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Absolutely get him in there, like and just because to
me he's a very underrated actor. So when he popped
up in there, I liked where Archer just gets strong
willed by the mom like I'm not showing you that footage,
like I don't feel con ball, like you gotta leave,
and he just waits for the husband who's like getna
bend over back where like like he.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Just long plays him.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
He's like you can tell where he's one hurt. Also
because his kids was kind of comes off like a
little pathetic, right and like yeah, like what do you mean?
And then boom they're in the room and he lost
the argument and he's showing the footage. But it did
help and then luckily it kind of you know, got
him on the track to start leaving Justine.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Because that guy, uh so.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Obviously he did paint that they'd show the scene where
he got the wrong paint. He's like a construction worker,
so what he uses that paint for is to paint
witch on the teacher's car. Do you think he was
also doing the knocking and the doorbelling just to fuck.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
With her or do you think that man the paint
I get as like a forty fifth drow man.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
I don't get the fucking just like Josh Broling ringing
like running away, like imagine someone seeing they're like, what
the fuck is Archier doing out there?

Speaker 4 (36:01):
You know?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
But uh, because yeah, he's fully convinced it's her.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
But then once he sees what happens with Ben Nikwong,
which I appreciate that he like three times like save
Julie Gardner says okay, he because I wasn't sure if
he was gonna take that as like, oh yeah, you
clearly did something, maybe did someone him, But he starts
to put together like okay, something's going on. I thought
a very brutal scene of how they turned Ben Nitwong
where it's just like him and his husband and they

(36:27):
they have some weird dinner set up where it's like
Carrot's branch tipping like six hot dogs on a trade.
But they're gonna watch some programs together. Fucking Gladys shows up.
Because great scene too before where when they set up
that he has to Julie Gardner again, Like it's a
string of good scenes, is why I said before, like
I have some issues, but see it because there's so
much good stuff in there. When Julia Gardner goes to

(36:48):
check on Austin or was it Austin right, the little
kid Alas or Alex, I said, awesome, I apologize before
And she goes to the house and all the house
of newspapers on the windows, and she looks in one
wind know and sees like the parents sit in there
and they're just like statues.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Pretty much, great little reveal there.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
But when she like makes the case of okay, child engagement,
and Bennett Wong gets involved, like okay, half gonna talk
to the guardian. She just to make sure that Alex
is doing fine. And the Gladys has to come because
obviously she has these people on the voodoo. They can't
go great shot when she's walking through the glass and
because like her wig and the bright color, like you
just see like the silhouette of her coming and it's great,

(37:26):
and benig Wan's face is like what's going on here,
but he establishes like, hey, it doesn't matter if you're
the aunt.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Hell well you know the family. I need to speak
to a guardian.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
So they set up that like Gladys is like her
her the rope is starting to fall, which again even
then though it's like once he ended up dead, like
eventually something like is gonna pick up what she's doing.
But that's fine. So she decides, Okay, well, Benik Wong,
he has to go. She shows up to his place,
needs some water, uh, and they let him in, which
I love that Mark is like like telling osman like

(37:55):
not to let her in, like pretty like he's trying
to be nice. But the husband lets her in and
he does the voodo. Where the voodo is, she has
some tree that's grown, she's a branch. She has thorns,
so she cuts herself, gets a bunch of blood, wipes
it all over the thorns.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
She gets a piece of the person's hair.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
That wants to be killed or taken over and wraps
around this thing and then breaks and does their command.
The only way to stop it is dropping in the water.
And yeah, poor Marcus and his husband, which I'm pretty
sure that is the director that was playing Bennett Wong's husband.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
I think that Zach Gregor.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
I haven't seen him much, but yeah, then Kwang just
head butts him to shit and he's just like a
broken skull.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
And then he just runs out of there.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
So terrible ending for that character who was relatively just
a good guy, you know, like nothing like that deserved
any of that fate. But then after that kills when
Josh Bowen's Chacter's like, Okay, I don't think this teacher
is this teacher is no, not a bad person, Like
this teacher clearly is looped into something here, and they
get the map and stuff, but yeah, no, I thought

(38:54):
there's some good reveals there.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
And yeah, the voodoo, Like I wasn't thinking of voodoo.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I thought it was gonna be like I think we
talked about for trailers, like a sinister situation where we're
not saying like sinister, but like a bgoul where this
it's something grand or supernatural, especially with kids. It's like,
is that a play on the bogey Man or what
it may be? But it was like, obviously voodoo is
still supernatural, but that's more just to the point. And
they never explained why do you think she wanted all

(39:20):
those kids?

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Uh, rejuvenation, I'd say, because that's what they were hinting
out with the parents. And then she's like, oh, the parents,
they're not really able to help me or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, fair so, and they never said that I don't
need that, that's fine, but uh but yeah, that's where
she got all these kids to run and they were
just chilling in her basement and uh yeah. And then
what did you feel about the James character, because that's
when we have talked about he's pops up. And that's
why I got very excited because I didn't know Austin
names in this. I knew we heard rumors and he
is the lead of Resident Evil. But when Julia Gardner

(39:53):
goes to the liquor store the first time, he is
at the door like busting and asking her for money.
And I saw him. They're like, oh, there's fuck in
Austin Abrams. I can't wait, And man did he deliver here.
He's playing like a meth head who's just like stealing
stuff trying to get money X, Y and Z, but
does a really great job. But he gets looped in
this because he just ransacks that house and then finds

(40:14):
all those kids in there, and of course the kids
has a fifty thousand dollars reward.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
But yeah, what are you thinking about all this?

Speaker 3 (40:19):
I almost thought he was like the older brother or
something like that. And he's going back to his family
house and he was kicked out. He was gonna steal
some stuff, but no, not the case. He just happened
along that house unfortunately for him. And yeah, everything everything
with that just it worked for me. The character was
really really good and you just you felt like crap

(40:40):
for him, I guess to a point. And yeah, him
trying to get the reward was very very fitting. The
phone calls were very humorous. And then his dynamic with
Paul was it worked worked with me. Just when he's like, Okay,
I'm gonna go to the station and like say what
I know, and just Paul is like I told you
to fucking just brutal, brutal, and the obviously with what

(41:03):
with what follows, but their whole dynamic, like I thought
things were gonna work out fine when they're at that
house and Paul goes in and knocks the door and everything,
and James is like, what the fuck what's going on?
And then when it cuts and it's like just all
the nighttime, it's like, oh, fuck, okay, now you know
shit's not poor.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Guy just left in there for hours and then gets
pulled out and yeah, same thing. He didn't have a
good ending as well too. You got head shotted and
killed because they made when you get infected by his voodoo,
you're impervious to pain and even stuff like at one
point Paul gets shot in the thrown and he's still going.
But if it's like a clear headshot or something like that,
a kill shot that will stop you, which which I like.

(41:42):
I think that's a good way to still put limits
on the on the body.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
You know, the audience at my theater was just in tears, laughing,
just with the whole Archer and Paul or sorry, Archer
and James thing, which oh yeah, Archer would just boom
and then he's like and then he just wakes back
up and then knocked out and wakes back up.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
I was killing it in my theater.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, my theater like that too. So yeah, let's take
her probably last ad break. Then we'll be right back,
and we're back so we can talk about I think
another good, really good thing.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
And this is like a slower part of the movie.
But when you get to Alex's.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Story just because it's it's such a sad like you
go from little kid living his life just like and
what I like about is too that they set up
the parents to be like caring parents, but normal parents.
So I was like, hey, you know your room's dirt.
You're like, you know, it's not fair that we clean it.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
You got to do that.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
But there's still love there with the parents. So for me,
what I really liked is you set the kids up
knife to life to be pretty normal, right, and they
show that there's like some like bullying going on, but
that's not the reason. He doesn't give up the kids,
saying like, oh, maybe you know, Aunt Glass, you could
take them out, because yeah, what happens is the setup

(42:55):
is that she they the parents tell Alex like, hey,
you're her Aunt's really sick. We've not seen her attentions,
but she's gonna come stay at this because she all
has nowhere to stay. And then already night one, like
the parents, they're just staring at the table, like they're
sitting the table, just staring at each other. They're just
pretty much look like they are vegetables, but they're still alive.
And he has to, you know, give them soup and

(43:16):
feed them and not tell anyone. Coase Glass says, Hey,
if you tell anybody, I'm gonna hurt you. I'm gonna
hurt your parents, and she does an example by she
makes them like take forks and just stab themselves on
the face. So it's a great setup of like, of course, yeah,
why would a kid not say anything this terrible thing's
happening in their home. But it's literally, hey, I'm gonna
kill your parents. And at this point they've showed the
parents to be caring and loving, so you wouldn't want that, right,

(43:39):
It's not like a broken household or anything like a
Leon the professional or something, so that happens. And I
thought it was just like a good, very depressing, you know,
story and montage of Alex what he does. He goes
to school every day and he feeds his parents and
he just sits there quietly and he does rinse, repeat,
And then when all the kids are there, it's worse

(43:59):
because not only does he have to feed his parents
his can soup, he has to feed these kids. So
I thought it was just so depressing when you're seeing
the innocence of a child just be taken away and
uh and it just for a month. Yeah, And I
think it really does a good job of it, doesn't
It makes me like Gladys is like a performance wise,
because I think the actresses is a phenomenal job, but
like you don't you're not rooting for this villain at

(44:21):
any point. And then the ending, like we talked about,
where you know, our two characters justin Archers start to
figure out, Paul and James kind of get in there,
I would say.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Semi accidentally in a way. They get possessed.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
They fight, and then eventually the kid has seen you know,
access seen this enough that okay, I'm gonna make it,
do my own voodoo.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
He does it.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
He gets all the kids to run after, run after
and Glass, which.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Is so good. That's I love that scene.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, which is a really good scene because it's just
like a bunch of tracking, a bunch of like Glass
runs to her house and the kids burst through the rooms.
It's not like a continuous one shot, but there's lots
of one shots. It's it played up to be like
someone it feels smit a barbarian where it's played to
be like somewhat comedic.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
And then when they get her, they just rip her apart.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
And but yeah, what do you think about the the
ending here with the Alex and the kids go after him.
You talk about a little of the brawl and whatnot,
But yeah, how did a glass ending over you?

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Everything that these possessed people do, they do under the
command of Gladys Like. She's telling them, She's talking to them,
telling them.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
What to do.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
So when you see Paul walk out of the house
and motion very freakishly, like, why the fuck would you
trust that motioned them to come in, and then they
come in, Gladys is telling them to do that. How
did Gladys know that they were out there?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
How did it?

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Glads Like she's obviously very intelligent, very tactical, and very smart,
but it's just I don't understand how she was preconceived,
knowingly under like, precognitively aware that was going to happen,
because she set traps for them, and you could see
when they walk in the house.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
You could see James in the corner there.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
And then obviously there's the line of salt, and I
like that Archer cut onto that right away, but it
was too late. As soon as she steps on the
salt and they just fucking charge. Yeah, and then the
scene when Alex like decides to do it and he
steps on the don't.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Don't step on that salt, So she did.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
She did, Yeah, but he knew he had to get
in there. And I like the child actors were fucking
incredible in this.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
They did such a good sho Alex did such a
good job, and he just had to be very like
a stagnant, like calm, depressed, kind.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Of terrified kid.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
But I like how it paid off when he was
he learned and he figured out how to do the ritual,
and so him him running from the parents, the mom
in so many of these scenes just was fucking terrifying,
especially that camera angle when he's sitting on the floor
back against the bathroom door and he's doing his like

(46:52):
his thing, and you're waiting for Gladys to get killed,
and like the camera is his perspective and he looks
up at the door that's being small head is in
the door looking down him, screaming fucked and just terrifying.
So many of those those kind of shots were so
top tier in this movie.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Uh so, yeah, I really really like that.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
And yeah, just everything with the kids breaking out, uh
and Gladys just five minutes of Gladys fucking keeping like
she was pacing herself, well she was.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
She was, yeah, oh yeah, but I guess it's adrenaline
because you know your dad.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Because she healed her, right, Yeah, she knows what happens.
But the kids healed her right. Just the kids screaming
and her just running all these people's houses and the
kids are just a fucking wave of seventeen kids just
charging her.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
I loved it when they jumped through the windows, just.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Going interactions of people's in those houses, like archerwalks like
now there's a man in our house.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Like good stuff, and the dad too, and he's like, oh,
they ruined the lawn, honey.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, they have no idea what's going on.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
There's there's one good shot too where I think there's
like a guy walking a dog or he's like a
mailman and he looks at a house and here's the commotion.
You just see Gladys run by and then yeah, oh yeah.
They give it a beat or two and then it's.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Like then all the kids follow her, and uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
There's there's some good stuff that's like a very great
sequence in the theaters and fun just to watch with
people and see what's going on there. And hey, it's
make a character that's a terrible piece of ship. They
give him gave her a satisfying ending as far as
just being destroyed by these kids.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
So yeah, what a way to go.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Like I thought they were just gonna be like choking
her and punching her when they actually see them rip
the top of her head off.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah ho shit.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Which the other thing too, that just gross when uh
uh uh gosh, why can't I Justine's character takes the
potato peeler off the counter and just goes like two
full strokes.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Right underneath the side burns on his cheek, on his face.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Fuck, it's gonna burn.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah yeah, but yeah, And then what I found was,
which is, I don't know how I feel about it.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
It's an interesting choice, so I put it in the positive.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
But then the little girl who was telling the story,
because it's almost like a folk tale right at the
beginning about like oh why how it happened? And it's
told like with a kid, she's like like like says
like liking ums and you know things we sometimes stay
in the podcast like.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
As I just did.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
It feels more just like a schoolyard story that they're spreading.
But what I found is very interesting that Okay, so
they kill Glass, which I guess I just the kid
knew which branch to get to control the kids, because
I didn't understand why all the voodoo people weren't going
after Gladys. Then, right, because he gets a branch, breaks it,

(49:45):
cuts himself, puts glasses hair, and then breaks it. I'm
just headcanning that he knows some you know, this part
of the tree does this for that, but it feels
all that the other people wouldn't go for it.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Right, he.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
How does it work?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
So the specific branch has an item of the person
and their hair of the target. Right, so he knew
obviously she had to keep these kids here, she was
controlling them, just like she probably had a branch for
the parents somewhere. But yeah, she kept the branch there
for the kids, and so he knew to grab that
specific Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah then I can do that. All works for me then,
and not that this point doesn't work for me. I
just felt very interesting that Okay, they kill Glass. When
that happens, that does kind of like break the curse overall.
So the parents snap out of it because Archer at
one point they killed Paul and like I said, like
a little emotional there for Julia Gardner, I think acting
wise was great, but you know it's there wasn't too

(50:39):
much more with the character in their dynamic. I think
that's why they could have just had been like a
X's and drop a lot of his stuff. But Archer's
choking her and then we're just kind of funny. I
feel like when he gets out of the trance saying thing,
he just like drops Justine.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
He's just like looking for.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
His son and he's like, math, dude, Matthew, like didn't
even check, Like you probably broke this woman's woe fighte.
But what I found was interesting choice is just goes upstairs,
sees Alex. He's talking to his parents, and then the
kid starts to narrate again and says that he didn't
he end up with an aunt that's now like a
nice aunt, you know, not like Aunt Gladys, but pretty
much that his parents were probably committed somewhere that they didn't.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Recover from this.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
I think, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
And then they kind.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Of said about the kids where they said, you know,
they got them back, but they were really the same,
and they said, like, you know, only a few of
them have said a couple of words, and that's where
it's like that like I said, very interesting choice.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
It reminds me a lot of Barbarian where.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
You know Spoils movie if you've not seen so skip
ahead where at the end of that movie, obviously you
got justin long, you got the main character, and you
got the barbarian and like the mother, right, but when
our main character has to kill the mother, she like thinks,
you know, the monster's like, oh you're my baby. Like
it's very like only melancholy and very sad that okay,

(51:56):
like I obviously have to kill this thing because I've
never escape.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
But it's not it's not like a it's not like
a big win. It's not like a hell yeah, Like
it's not like and don't be wrong, this is a
good thing.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
It's like, let's say me in Evil Dead, where when
she gets that chainsaw, you're like, yeah, destroy this thing,
right where this is like, oh it's sad, same thing
here where okay, of course they get the kids back
and everything, but it's not just like uh oh the
curse is snapped.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Everyone's okay.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
It's those parents are done and it sounds like these
kids have I would say, like just all like big
mental challenges now where whether they can maybe recover. Maybe
it's something that eventually, after twenty thirty years, they can
be normal people. But the fact that these kids are,
you know, i'd say in middle school, like mid middle school.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Then we go in to high school and they taught.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Like the person's narrating makes it sound like it's been
a couple of years at least, or however, I have
to watch that again. But the fact that these kids,
some of them, don't even fully recover, is like, man,
that's what a bummer like.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Like, that's that's that's pretty messed up. Sea. What do
you think about that ending there?

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Yeah, I took it as the kids that talked, they
made a comeback, they bounced back, but.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
They have the parents.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
The moment I saw that, okay, she died, Gladys died,
and then Alex was talking the parents and you see
that shot of them, I was like, oh no, the
parents are toast. They're just they're out to lunch. They're
not they're not present cognitively. So uh yeah, that wasn't that.
I was fine with the ending. I thought it worked out,
and uh yeah, it worked out, but they the parents,

(53:25):
the parents got the kids back.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I think that you get like a shadow kid back
though for a while, and some of them.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I don't know if all of them recover, you know.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yeah, I'm gonna head canon that it takes a little
bit longer and they do come back, but.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Sure say that.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
So that's why I was like, they went with this
really down randing, which I'm not saying is a bad thing,
but it's just like, man, yankes, you got everyone back,
but at what cost?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
You know?

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yeah, and obvious you want them back, but it's just like,
you know, they're like I said, they did a good
job of having that dread throughout the movie. So yeah,
is there anything else that we didn't talked about?

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Touch What'll see for one.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
One more scene that I really enjoyed too is when
Archer was down there and he's trying to find his
son Matthew and goes kid to kid and he just
he glances to the side and you see Gladys just
crouched and smiled.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Just sprouts up on him.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
It's like, fuck, when she wasn't in the bath or
in the bedroom, but Alex is in there, I thought, Oh,
she's totally in the fucking basement, just waiting down there
this whole time.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
He should have fucking tossed her like he did to James,
you know. He Yeah, strength was gone all of a
sudden there. But yeah, good scene, even though I was like,
why she just kind of like sitting there. I guess,
like I guess to get him right. She did that
so she could have control of him, so he got
to actually gardener right, so that that all worked out.
I thought was like she deliberately looked like a I
liked the scare.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I think they could done another take.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Because they felt like the actress looked like she was
really in like a horror movie. Like it just felt
like an unnaturally why she po wasn't like this, but
it was a good jump scared done the last so
and uh yeah, he just got a sum back I guess.
So hopefully he's not sleeping in that bed anymore, which
I get. That was a fun kind of all back
where he's sleeping in a Batman bed and he was
almost Batman and BBS.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
So that's kind of funny that that happened. So yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah, because you just went I'll go yeah overall, like
I said, kind of similar to the opening, Great time
at the theaters. I think it's a very very good
original for as far as being original top tier marks,
maybe not everything hits. I got some issues here there,
but I didn't regret my time, and it's still at
the point where hey, next time. Obviously, Resident Evil, I'm
a fan that franchise, so he's doing that. But even

(55:29):
if it wasn't, if it was just like another original IP,
it's like, Okay, it wasn't just like a Oh he
had a great idea, great execution with the Barbarian, but
the next go around, maybe not as much. It shows, Okay,
two under the belts me two for two a very
good original horror concept, which is, you know, one of
my favorite genres. And yeah, I'll as far as right
now if the quality keeps like this, this movie is

(55:50):
like a Barbarian for me, where it's not like another
It's not a ten out of ten, but again, I'm
gonna give this movie an eight out of ten if
you really enjoyed an a ten. That can still get
me to the point where hey, I want to see
your work. Not everything has to be this is the
best horror the last second. No, it's just a very
very good horror movie to be I don't like and
maybe when I rewatch it.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I'll I'll say it's great.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Like I said in the opening, I think there's great sequences,
and I think especially the first act that to me
is great.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
That's like a ten and ten really no notes.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
But there's a few things throughout that kind of you know,
bring it down for some stuff we talked about that
I think is clear cut, and some stuff that maybe
I need to rewatch something about, because even Long Legs,
I had that where I watched it and then I
did enjoy it more and Barbaria and I enjoyed more.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
And that's where I.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Think with horror and when they go original and it's
not like a remake or an IP where we know
all the beats. When it's introducing a new you know,
context or world, you do need to sit with those
a little bit because you're not preconceived as far as
you haven't thought about before. Right like the next time
we get a nightmare on Elm Street, I know how
the dream world works. So that's already done. That homeworks
complete right where this whole branch voodo. That's that's something else.

(56:52):
So but yeah, an eight and had ten for me,
so and I think that's what i'd give bar I
think Barbarian I give like a seven to seven point
five retractive, they give the it's yeah, both of them
to be are ad ten and yeah that's where I am.
Definitely some stuff and Golden EEGs will talk about maybe
not like everything. I don't know if i'd be fighting
for it for best Film. You never know what's in
there though, is you know we saw last year at
the Dune controversy. But yeah, I would definitely bring this

(57:12):
up again at the end of the year. But yeah,
how about your self found thoughts in a rating?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Yeah, So, like I said at the start of the show,
I went in thinking it wasn't gonna be necessarily suited
to me and my tastes after seeing Barbarian, because Barbarian
was just one an experience. But I was pleasantly surprised
this movie.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
It kept me engaged with the.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Different chapters and the story and then incorporating the voodoo
and just how freaky these people were when they got
possessed and everything will Glass.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
It was really really working for me.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
So I'm not gonna give it the same rank I
gave both Barbarian. Beca's pretty sure that it was a
full ten out of ten. I'm gonna go nine point
five though, because for me, it's close, it's really close
behind and it's just such a dang good movie. This
is one that I want to buy for sure and
add to the shelf because I just I'm happy to
be in this new age. Like usually when Halloween rolls around,

(58:04):
I'm popping the classics on I cycle through Friday thirteenths
Halloween's you know, the old ones and wrong Turns and
all that kind of stuff, those older spooky horror movies,
child's playing jobs, and so just to be here and
have a roster of modern day horror movies at chapter

(58:24):
one that's on our rotation. Long Legs are Burian and
now weapons Like, it's just it's really really nice to
just be able to cycle through these newer ones.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Yeah, and this is definitely on that list.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Of Halloween films to cycle through, and yeah, I'll be
recommending it to people for sure. It's just it's got
a lot of spook to it, a good little bit
of comedy, and visually, it's just the way they shot
some of the scenes and did some stuff is really
really good. And I enjoyed everyone's performances in this movie.
It's all around. I just have a dang good time.
And I was seeing it alone too, so I didn't

(58:57):
really feel alone, I guess with other people in the theater.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
But now it was great. It was really really good.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
So yeah, let us know whether it's on YouTube, Patreon,
the discord, your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I know some couple of our patrons. I've seen it already,
so yeah, let us know. And we don't know when
I think it's a NAT Well, I won't give a
date yet.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
We're gonna talk about but the next two weeks we're
gonna be doing After Night, and I think we're gonna
be really talking about from June to now the summer
movies because I think most of them are out now
so we can have a good conversation with all the
patrons and whatnot and see what people's thoughts and takes are.
But yeah, everyone, we'll be back maybe next week with
the gig this episode and Proust.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
You I'll be boring.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Bye bye,