Metal Up Your Ass

This week Chris, Rich, and Jess talk about: Chris went to Metallica, the Grammy nominations, and revisit the Titan submersible. Please follow us on Twitter @genexhaustedpod and on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/GexExhaustedPod and download the rest of our shows at ChristopherMedia.net!

Episode Transcript

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dott. Welcome to gen Exhausted.I'm Chris Rich. I'm oh Man.

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I had a weekend. It's November, and there was like local elections and
shit, and the government's gonna shutdown again, and I guess inflation's coming
down allegedly. I don't know,blah blah blah. We could do all
that, but I fucking saw Metallicafor the first time ever. Took me
thirty years to finally get the stickout of my ass and finally it just

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go see Metallica, and holy shit, I'm in like the If I'm asked
to go see Metallica again, Iwill like. I've witnessed quite a spectacle
over two days this weekend drag alot of urban Metallica concert tudors. Yes

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it was. It's for their They'vebeen doing it for the whole year.
It's for They're doing two nights intwo different sets each night, no repeats,
and Detroit was their last stop forthe twenty twenty three portion of the
tour. Damn so uh Friday night. Friday Night was disappointing until Metallica because

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first, you had to see MammothWVH, which, if you don't know,
it's Eddie van Halen's kids band.I just rich, have you heard
any of this music? I heardone song on the radio and it was
discuss like, oh okay, thatsounds like something you'd hear on the radio
in the background and not pay attentionto exactly. I think that it sucks

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that the music industry is the statethat it is, that the progeny or
progeny or however're supposed to say itof Eddie van Halen has to make that
stuff. I was just sitting therewatching it, like, really, this
is what the kid of Eddie vanHalen has to play to like have his
job being in the music industry.I just kind of bum me out because

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I know, I know you've seenit, like the Taylor Hawkins concert.
He could he could play like hisdad like no for Noe, he could.
That is in him. He cando it, and he's got to
play this bullshit middle of the road. Hey, whatever's left of radio?
Could you please give me some spins? He's put his fucking God. I

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kind of feel sorry for the kid. And here's why, because every interview
I've seen, especially leading up tobut really after his dad's death. He
seems like a kid who was liketorn between two generations, his own and
his father's. Like he has immenserespect for his father, his father's generation,

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the music that came out around thattime, et cetera, et cetera.
But at the same time he thinksBillie Eilish is like genius. We'll
get to her later, And I'mjust like, I mean, I guess
I understand the the I understand havinglike your your loyalty divided. I guess,
for lack of a better term,that's too dramatic of a term,

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but if you talk to musicians,these are the terms they use when they
talk about like this. But Idon't know. In that aspect, I
feel sorry for him because it's like, what do you do, dude,
what do you do? I thinkyou and I we were kind of like
that. But we were also luckybecause at the time the ship we were
listening to it was guys who werelike a twat hair older than us,

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who are who are inspired and influencedby the same ship. For the most
part, we were so even thoughit was like you looked up to Alice
in chains, you're only like fiveyears older than you, dude, Well
you know, maybe like five ten. You get what, but you get
what I'm saying, right, yeah, still within the same generation like they
could be. You're you know,you're older your oldest brothers or sisters,

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like you know, friends, andit's like yeah, yeah, but you
know, like deep down, likecome here, a little ship, here,
you can have some beer. I'mme teach you about music and believe
me that shit happens. How tofuck you think I turned out the way
people like people like me turning out, So yeah, that's I think.
I I think kids and musicians likehim are probably rare or very not vocal

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these days. I think most musicianswho stand out are musicians who either embrace
tradition or reject it completely. AndI think he's trying to play the middle
of the road and it's it's asafe move. But faith never won any
racest Dude. I just want tobe like, dude, rip it.
Your last name is van Halen,you know, like start rocking? No,
Well, I mean like he startedgetting after his dad died. He

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started getting like shit about referencing vanHalen and anything to do with himself and
he goes, it's my fucking name. Can I not use my own fucking
name. He's like, you know, he's like, everybody knew my fucking
name before I was even conscious ofthe world I was in because my dad

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named his Wolfgang guitar after me,and every guitarner knew this shit. Well,
the name van Halen wasn't a stagename. It was actually his last
name. Yes, absolutely, He'slike, so it's like, yeah,
can I use my And it's like, yeah, dude, I get it.
So he's already kind of he's alreadyhad that under the microscope that he
took over for Michael Anthony, whowas the secret weapon in Van Halen.

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No fucking great shakes whatsoever on abass, but could harmonize and sing.
He he was the backing vocals forVan Hale. Eddie had his hand in
there, but it was mostly MichaelAnthony. So there you go. That's
why why do you think like himand fucking Sammy Hagar is still rolling around
together because they had no beef andSammy Hagar was like, this motherfucker is

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the background vocals from my biggest songswith Van Halen. So if I'm singing
it. He's doing the background vocals. All due respect to Eddie and Alex,
we don't need you. They're aboutto do that aspect. They're about
to go on like a van Halentribute to or some shit just right about
it the other day, and Imean, this is this is kind of
this is music nerd shit. Sosorry, Jess, sorry listeners, you

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don't care about this. But youknow, Sammy Hagar did have a rocky
Okay, hold on a second,Eddie van Halen had a rocky relationship with
everybody. That's true. Let's justlet's just be honest here. Yeah,
like if everybody had a problem withif Eddie had a problem with everybody,
and everybody had a problem with Eddieor not everybody had a problem with Eddie,

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then it's like, yeah, yeah, Eddie's kind of the problem.
That's my cast but whatever, whateverwhatever. But and they were not,
I guess on the best of termswhen he died. I don't know if
they spoke before he died or whatever. But Sammy Hagar come out and he's
like, I think it's completely disrespectful. There's been no type of tribute,
no nothing. He goes arguably themost important guitar player, the the Michael

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Jackson of guitar playing. Yes,Now, when Rich, when you talk
about the guys that we looked upto, like I remember when reading Guitar
World, there was two guys.All these guys brought up. It was
Eddie van Halen and Ace Freely,Like Eddie van Halen changed Eddie van Halen
like sold guitars like people like there'sI don't even know how to describe what

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he did to guitar playing, likehe revolutionized it. Like when people talk
about guitar players, and we saidthis on the Rolling Stone episode where we
talked about that that guitar players list, and they go, yeah, this
is before van Halen and after orafter van Halen, before Hendrix, after
Hendrickson. There's a handful of guitarplayers you can say that about, and

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he's in the top three. So, once again, non musicians, you
have to understand that's not even Idon't really care for van Halen's music for
the most part, but I'm not. I can't argue with his importance,
I can't argue with his influence.I can't argue with the fucking footprint he
left. Well put it in theparlance of the youth. He changed the
game when he showed up. Itwas dead ass, like Taite hooking up

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with that homeboy who plays football forreal on God for real for real.
Uh so, yeah, that's that'sthat's just that was my that's my thoughts
on watching Wolfe. I was like, man, you're better than this anyway.

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Uh, that's so on too,Pantera, Rich, It's exactly what
we said it was going to be. It should have been called Zach Wilde's
Tribute to Pantera. Where to begin, uh, low energy Pantera. It
was dude, if you've seen Panterafans, if you've seen them live,

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you know, Dime was a forceof nature and it was so much.
It was so evident seeing Pantera tryingto do these songs without Dime and Vinnie
like they opened with a new level. Rich and he they lost me right
at the right at the the uh, right at the the solo palm,
right at the beginning, right whenthe band drops out, right at the

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run fucking sloppiest ship and him doinghis stupid fucking pinch harmonics in it.
It's like, oh, here wego. And then and they and they
never seemed to lock in like theynever caught a groove. It was very
evident Rex was missing his drummer.Like the only songs they seemed to ever
catch a groove on was anything Off, Far beyond Driven. After that,

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put this, put this way,I listen to Pantera the next day and
it bummed me out. I meanI got over it, but like it
just the fact that it was,it was, it was disappointing. I
mean, Phil was fine. Theyplayed all the hits. I mean film
now looks like a dude you'd seeit like Walmart and Roseville. But I
mean like, yeah, yeah,like all the pictures of Phil, it's

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like, like, boy, Ihope his voice is holed up because he's
just like walking around. He lookslike he's shuffling around barefoot on stage,
like going, I don't jump aroundanymore because I got a bad back.
I heard it moving a fridge afew years ago, and it just it
ain't been the same sense, likehe looks like that dude now, so
from the pictures I saw, soyeah, he did just kind of yeah,

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he definitely didn't run around like hedid when I've seen him before.
But I mean just it was itwas just it was it was disappointing.
It was just it. It's justthe energy wasn't there. Yeah, they
were playing Pantera songs, he said. Phil was fine, he got all
the hits, but it was justit's it's what I thought it was going

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to be when I heard they weregonna do it like I have know there's
apparently gonna be in North of theAmerican tour and no interest in it,
like just it just it just ifyou've seen pay the original Pantera, it
just did. It just didn't hitlike seeing those four guys like I would
have. By one buddy, wewere in agreement. I would have rather
than like went and found some likekid off a YouTube who's been like Woodshed

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and paying terratoons and can play themlike he use another you know another youth
term here dead ass, you know, just playing it like right, just
like Dimebag. I'd rather than pointout and found like a nobody to do
that than what I saw. Here'swhat I think is what it's severely missing
with dime and uh Vinnie being gone. You're not just missing guitar player and

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a drummer. You're missing brothers whogrew up jamming and playing off each other.
And playing together. So that meansthat Vinnie is a drummer who grew
up following a guitar player, whichmeans Rex is a fucking bass player who
was in a band with a drummerwho was following a guitar player. So
you see what I'm saying. I'mlike, I don't get the feeling that
that. What is it? Charlieuh Bonante from Anthrax, Yeah, first

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of all, from what I understand, he's a converted drummer. He was
originally a guitar player, Like heswitched to drums because they couldn't find a
drummer or something along those lines.One of those type stories. So it's
like, dude, like I getit, but you ain't Vinny bro Like,
You're just not. There's certain drummers. It's like, there's certain drummers
who can do an impersonation of JohnBonham, And if you want someone to

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play like John Bonham, you probablygive one of them a call, But
you don't call fucking Meg White fromthe White Stripes and go we want you
to play just like John Bonham andthen just be like Okay, that's good
enough. When she just gets upthere with her stylings. We'll say that
drum stylings. He seemed very mechanical. I mean, by one Buddy said,

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he it's pretty obvious he's up thereplaying with a click. He's like
he's like vine and playing with class. And the other thing too. Another
thing that became very obvious through thatshow that Zach Wilde has been playing lead
for thirty years, not rhythm becausethey were just because there was just some
parts where it was just fucking sloppy. It was like, nope, dime
dime would have stopped on a dime, you know what I'm saying. With

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a lot of that rhythm shit,especially off a Volga display, that's what
That's what kills me. Go.If you are here's Zach Wilde fan,
you've never seen this, Not theBlack Label Society acoustic guitar version. Go
find the one from like nineteen ninetythree of him in the MTV studios.
He's wearing a New York Yankee shirtand it's just him and an acoustic guitar,

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and you don't understand. It's like, holy shit, Zach Wilde could
play like that and it has reallynothing to do with leads. It's just
all rhythm. And just fucking ohmy god, insane. And like you
said, it's clear that he's beenplaying just leads now he's he's in the
bbking part of his career where he'slike, I pay other people around me
to play chords. Yeah, it'sjust he can't really do that with Pantera,

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which is a four pieces. Myreview on the whole Pantera show is
you can't go home again, especiallyif half the band is fucking dead.
You know this isn't this is like, oh, we're all mad at each
other. You know, this isn'tlike, well, I guess Eddie's dead,
but you know this isn't like vanHalen was, where they were all
still alive but mad at each other. So portions of the band would play
No, this is half of themare dead and oh, I can't even

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say a for effort. It wasjust it was. It was a big
letdown. But I'm the metallic Holyshit, the fact that these guys are
pushing sixty like little background on me. As far as my metal chops like
I I I played my guitar,I played rock, I played metal,
I played jazz, I played funk, I played show tunes, I played

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tons of shit, but when Ifirst got guitar and I caught my metal
chops on Metallica, and I've youknow, and I was definitely one of
those people. When Load came outin ninety five, I was like,
what the fuck is this? Iwas like sixteen, you know, I'm
within five years of having discovered Metallica, you know, I. I mean,

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I guess a lot of the realhardcore people did that when the Black
album came out, but not me, because you know, one of the
first Metallica songs I heard when Iwas like twelve was like Enter sand Man,
you know. And then I justworked my way backwards, you know.
Remember finding out about the My buddyshowed me the album Master of Puppets,
and I remember being mad at him, like why didn't you show me
this album sooner? Like just Icut my chops on all of this stuff,

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especially too. I went with mybuddy, who I've known like since
we were eleven. We bought ourguitars like the same week, and his
brother. We were all in themetal band together for like ten years,
and even before that, we allwe all cut our chops like as teenagers,
like in his basement playing songs likeSeeking Destroy you know stuff like,
so for me, this is abig deal. Finally by my early forties,

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I'm like, all right, butyou know, last year, my
friends like, you want to go? I was like, you know what,
there's still They're still all alive,they still all like each other.
They haven't started declining yet. Sure, why the fuck not? Fine.
Rob's been in the band for twentyyears at this point, so he's been

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in longer than Cliff and Jason puttogether. Yeah, so find I'm like,
fine, uncle, fine, I'llgo see Metallica. You know,
the new albums come out, it'sspotty, like it seems like every other
song I've heard I likes, likeall right, fine, Oh so,
I mean they just came fucking shotout of a cannon with Creeping Death,

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like all right, But it was, dude, it was amazing. Like
between the two nights, you heardall but two tracks of Ride the Lightning,
you heard half a Master of Puppets. They opened the second night with
fucking Whiplash Like it was dude,Like, here's the here's the first night's
set list. Creeping Death, Harvester, Sorrow, Through the Never probably the

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most old quote unquote Metallica song onthe black album. Yeah, Leper Messiah,
Yeah, which me and my friendswhat the plane like that one?
To me that was like the deeppool of the night Luxaiturnia. Yeah,
that's a new one, too fargone, new one Fain to black yep
Shadows follow uh yeah, another Ithink the newer era. I think,

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yeah, that's that Death Magnetic ornewer Yeah, that's that's what I considered
newer Metallica. That's going back fifteenyears now. Jason. Yeah, nothing
else matters. Sad but true.The day that never comes Hardwired is Hardwired
came out the first year we weredoing the podcast, The Fuel Seek and
Destroy Master of Puppets, Yes,and all of Master of Puppets, not

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that abbreviated version. They played thewhole fucking thing, and they did O'Ryan
with the complete with the bass soloand hell harmonized guitar. They did,
Okay it would dude. That's theone clip I put on Facebook was them
doing that fucking jam in the middleof Oriyan with the fucking two guitars playing
like that. Yeah, and thenyeah, Second Night Go. The second

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night set list so starts with asyou were saying, whiplash, for whom
the Belt Poles, Ride the Lightning, Dirty Window, seventy two seasons,
Stuff Darkness, had a son toCan Welcome Home, Sanitarium, You Must
Burn. But this one's kind ofshocking, dude. Yeah, we were

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by then, I was nice anddrunk. By then, I was nice
and drunk, and I was like, fuck yeah, uh the unforgiven wherever
I'm a roam moth in the flamefight fire with fire, which is I
don't feel like I've really heard themplay that live a whole lot. No,

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that's another one that I was like, Holy shit to me. I
think that was the deep pool ofthe night and that in Katulu. Now
this, I truly think they onlyplayed this because they were in Detroit whiskey
and in the jar. Yeah,it's but it's a radio hit for it's
it's it's it's a dude. WhenI that I was in radio, dude,
that song was on like every houron the fucking hour. Like that

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was a big one for me.Fair enough a lot of radio plays.
I'm I'm gonna say, like atthe riff, I know why I got
him radio play because the relations relationshipwith Mickey Redmond. Mickey Redmend's relationship with
that saw, so I, oh, yeah, it's just the last two
or one and inter sad Man.Yeah, which still even it's the radio,

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who cares? It was still greatlive, like especially two because they
did the light show and the powertechnics. And by the way, I've
not been to a stadium concert ina while. Stadium concert sound is coming
a long fucking way, dude.Sound at Small's, which is like a
three hundred seat venue here in Detroitwill hand trimick and like Saint Andrew's Hall.

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I'm shocked. I'm like, wow, when did sound get this good?
Where like these small venues have thisgood as sound to the point where
I haven't been to. The lastbig show I went to was in twenty
fifteen. I saw the Corn twentiethanniversary for their first album and literally was
like sat through suicide Silence, whichif you haven't listened to go go ahead
and listen to them. You deserveit. You deserve that to do that

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to yourself. And then they openedreplying and I was like, Okay,
I can leave now. I don'tgive a fuck, right like, I'm
sorry, dude, I'm sorry.Corn's kind of like this was yeah,
anyways, Corn's not one of thosebands, and I'm gonna sit through and
be like, oh yeah, becauseI'm gonna hope that half of the set's
gonna be shuting I'm into, Like, no, it's not gonna be.

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It's gonna be one or two songs, So don't open with the one.
I'm like, Okay, that's theone I actually wanted to see him play
live. We know these shuts are. The one thing that shocked me is
they're kind of heavy on the newstuff. But I get it, and
they did, for the most part, pack it all together so people can
go get their fucking refills and drainedtheir fucking lizards and all that shit.
And they did it on both nightsfor the most part, and we did.

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But I had heard that like theywere going to play Escape, which
I don't know if this is justlike urban legend and Metallica lore or if
this is the reality of what happened. But that song Escape off of Ride
the Lightning is supposedly that Metallica turnedin their album without that song, and
the record label is like, no, that's fine, but we need something

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that has a chance of getting radioplayer. Give us that or we're gonna
have an issue and so basically,at gunpoint they were told go write something
that has mass appeal, and that'swhere this song escape comes from. That's
why they hate that song. Idon't know if that's an actual story or
if excuse me, a factual story, or if that's just bullshit. Have
you ever heard of sty Kross?I have not. But ironically it is

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never a single, yeah, youknow, you know, like they've never
I don't think they've ever really playedit live except a handful of times.
And that's saying a lot about Metallica. I do want to say they played
they played a song from Saint Angeron Sunday and before he introduces it,
he goes, this one's from yourfavorite album and he does like, you
know, the wink and you know, playing whatever again, you know,

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went to the can. But thenext day I'm sitting there thinking, I'm
like, wait a minute, soyou know we hate it. It's well
documented that you hate that album.When'ch fucking just play another song off Master
Puppets or something like, that's amove. I didn't understand. You know,
the fans hate it. The fansknow you hate it. What'd you
even bother? I don't know.And I can't. I don't know which.

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I don't know which one that wouldhave been. Here's Sunday is trying
to see which one would be.It was early Dirty Window because seventy two
Seasons is off the new album ifDarkness had a sun No, that's a
new album, Sanitarium. You mustburn no Dirty Window. I'm looking at
the sant Anger Okay track list turdalbum, which, by the way,

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I listened to a song from it. Came up in my mix the other
day, and I just always thoughtit was the internet being the Internet.
But that snear really does sound likea fucking garbage can. It really does
sound like he's beating on a garbagecan list. I swear to Christ this
is my theory on why that albumsounds like it. Lars was trying to
ride too many coattails of too manyfucking trends in metal at the same time,

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and he was also trying to ridethe coattails of one trend that it
pretty much burned out first one beingblack metal and black metals lower like like
the second wave of black metal thatstarted in like the late eighties early nineties
that people think of with Mayhem andBursham like all those bands that were burning
churches and killing each other and shitlike that. That's a podcast all into

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itself. We'll look up the historyof that if you really want to what
happens when you leave white people alone, you get more to the flies and
black metal. That's what happened whitepeople to themselves. I'm just saying,
maybe there's something too. We needa little bit of color in our lives.
I'm just saying. But but yougot to remember, Metallica came up

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via the tape trading shit and blackmetal even well into the nineties because of
its low fi keeping it true cultstatus with the second wave black metal,
the true black metal people they werepassing around tapes. So if and this
was all happening in what is regionallyarguably an area of the world where Large

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still had ties to because he's fromthat his family's from that area, he's
from that area, then there wasthe obvious ones they were trying to ride
the coattails of which was the newmetal ones, which if you watched some
kind of monstery you actually hear Kurkcall him out for it because he's like,
I don't want to know, whyare we not putting souls on the
album because everyone else isn't doing it. That's fine, that's gonna sound good

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for what a year, two twentyyears is gonna be like, oh,
there's that dated ass album they saidthey did with no solos on there.
That's how you know when it it'snot a metallic Alvin's Metallica trying to be
something. I'm like, damn,go ahead, Kurt, good news,
Kirk, it's the album everybody hatestwenty years ago. He had a point.
He had a point, had avery valid point. He's like,

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we're not we're not being ourselves.We're trying to be something else, which,
by the way, that man live, holy shit is just something to
behold. He was. He usedjust out. Maybe it's because just maybe
because just because it was the lastnight of the tour, like those fuckers
were just on like as a band, like those guys were on, like
it was definitely Sunday was the night. Like both nights they were just like

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okay, just fucking Hatfield was Hatfield, like just doing his rhythm thing,
like Hammett was Hamlett. Lars evenwas passable, like no, they mean
no, Lars was good, youknow, and just it was dude,
it was fucking amazing. It's definitelyup there with one of the best concerts
I've ever been to. Even myfriend who's been to his hobby. You

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ever had that friend who just backwhen we were younger, who just went
to concerts like this, was thatfriend and he said, he's like,
that's he called it a top fiverand he's seen Metallica a few times,
and it was, and goddamn itit was. You know, all my
friends for years have been saying,hey, dummy, they're gonna play all

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the songs you like, just gosee them. I'm like, no,
man, fuck them. Because theycut their hair in nineteen ninety five.
Well, they also put out aterrible album two Even they though, have
come back and said, yeah,those two albums could have been just one
good album, dude. They wentfrom the best thrash band on the planet

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who was just starting to maybe putsome fucking feelers out towards the mainstream via
Injustice for All, And I feellike if they could have stayed that course,
they would have crossed over anyway.But instead they went from let's be
the best from the best thrash bandon the planet to a really good hard

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rock band. And that was thetransformation between the Black Album and then Load
and Reload. You get you seethe beginning of it with the Black Album,
and by Load and Reload, theyhave almost completely left their thresh roots
behind and they are just eight.They sound like a really good nineties hard
rock band, but they're not trailblazers. They're not one of the Big four
of any genre. They're playing thegenre they're playing in at that moment,

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not even close. But I mean, if you've heard Death Magnetic, right,
yeah, that's what they Oh,hey we're Metallica. Sorry, Like
it was two thousand and nine.I feel like since then they've righted the
ship. And I said, thenew album, it's it's spot like there's
it doesn't sound like any of thatold crap. It's just some of it's
just a but no, I meanthe new album, the seventy two Seasons.

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If that was the first single,that one was all right, No,
the first single was lux turnof Okay. Then I don't know which one,
whichever one, I don't know oneof them. I was like,
this isn't bad. I actually listenedthrough it on the radio. It was
and I've only heard it fast onradio. Yes, that's probably lucks of
Turno off because I heard lucks ofturn and it gave me the one that

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it had its shades to kill themall okay, yeah, because I was
like, okay, this is allright, I can, I can,
I won't turn this off. Butthen I know people literally, I know
people who are like and these arenot youngins. There're not people in their
twenties. He's not teenagers. Thereare people in their late thirties and forties
up to my age, so they'reold who were like, man, I

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just want another. I disappear andI'm like, what, what's on another?
No Least Clover? Who the fucksits around fucking opening it about that
era of Metallica? Oh god,whatever, And I know the MIC's on.
I'm about to say this. Iwas hoping maybe we would get that
because we were in ford Field andthe Lions one. That's just me because
DC quoted that on Hard Knocks,which one did quote he quoted? He
quoted No Leaf Clover on Hard Knocks. Oh okay, okay, when he

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was uh, you know, Ithink No Leaves Clover without the fucking orchestra,
because that's what it is known forit. It's like anytime there's an
orchestra near Metallica and Metallica's like we'regonna play, they pull that song out.
They pretty much leave it in thecloset until the orchestra. It's like
the old Peanut with the recent peanutbutter commercials, you know, guys walking

(29:18):
in trips. I feel they couldhave got away with it because they were
doing uh, like the beginning ofOrion, Like they didn't play it,
like it came over the speakers andthen they you know, started playing when
you know, the guitars came in. So I mean, I feel they
could have like had the like,you know, they could have piped in
the orchestra for the intro and thenlike they could have came in and I

(29:38):
don't know, but now that wasjust me. Also, you know,
a Lions won because it was itwas it was a good thing. The
opening bands were playing well, thefucking shootout was going on on Sunday.
It's all I gotta say. AllRight, So now here's the question,
because you ship all over Lars afew weeks ago. Uh, when we

(30:00):
were talking about the Rolling Stone article, how does how does Lar's drumming sound?
On the old stuff now compared tohow he sounded in the records,
where you're like, oh, youcould just constantly hear him missing hits and
slubbing fucking rolls and being off timeand all this other ship. Well,
I get to give the man credit. He's been playing drums for forty years,
you know. But also I alsoknow now like there could be like

(30:22):
behind the scenes, you know,uh, trickery to make sure that he
sounds good, you know, scratching. The thing of me scratching my head
was the missed hits. How doyou know it's a missed hit? He
didn't mean to put a fucking Maybehe didn't mean to put a hit there
in a roll, and it's becausehe's got a weird timing. And last
example, drums have a bit offof him since he's fucking his heyday with

(30:47):
the first for metallic cow like aclassic example is on kilmmel the triplets on
the base on uh four horsemen,how they're did some of them are triplets?
Okay, I get what you're sayingthere. Okay, that's that's kind
of getting the sloppiness, but no, like but I mean, like that's
first, there's there's a lot ofmoments on that first album Metallica buy today's

(31:10):
standards back then not that bad.I mean, I'm just saying there's there's
some there's some off fucking key vibratoand Benz and on Kurt's end on kill
Them All, and then some ofthe uh uh snare hits on Justice Aren't
that some of the flams aren't thatgreat? Trying to think of one that

(31:30):
always stands out to me, isuh depend and whatever song that is?
What song is that you know?Of choice? Isn't it? Isn't it?
No? Justiceholder older? I guessokay, trying to remember an album

(31:52):
listened to all the way through andlike, God, it's got to be
at least a decade probably too,Like just sit down and listen to it.
It's got to be almost two decades, like because yeah, there's a
snares, It's like it's yeah,he tries to do something fancy and he
misses it. And I've always thought, like, that's the best take,
but that's us when they did ita lot, they'll at least give the

(32:13):
man credit there, but no lotfucking no issue with the band's performance over
the weekend at all, and yeah, and then five Finger Death Punch and
Ice nine Kills and okay, Jess, Yes, five Finger Death Punch into
him, not aware of them,not aware of him. No, I

(32:35):
know who they are. I've seenthem. They're okay, juicy five fingers.
Why were you anywhere in the vicinityof five Finger Death Punch playing?
They were opening for somebody. Imust have been a good show, five
Finger Death Punch. We were openingfor the five Finger Death Punch Bad Wolves,
and I forget the other one isnow I know why you can't remember

(32:58):
who the fuck they were. They'reall the same thing. Yes, it
was. It'd be like the twentyten's going to see uh three Days Grace,
uh uh uh name some of thosefucking bands from like the two thousands
and tens, like they had thethree fucking I was in one Jesus God

(33:19):
for like a split second six monthsgone. I was like, dude,
really, really you're gonna go withYou're gonna name the fucking band that You're
gonna go with the three word bandname that everyone's doing so like My Darkest
Days, thousand foot Crutch, thereyou go, yeah, ship like that.
I'm trying to theory of a deadman, Yes, uh shot,

(33:42):
well, like but shine Down typemusic, like that type of stuff,
but like taken to the next levelbecause five Finger Death Punch is a little
bit heavier. Shine there's a guyat least Shinedown is definitely like safest middle
of the road rock, and it'slike, I get it. There's a
market for it, and it's it'sthe most successible version of rock. You

(34:04):
put it out and the most casualmusic fan will be like, ooh,
this fucking plays three notes from themfrom the major scale, over and over.
So it gets stuck in my head. So I think it's a good
songs and I'm just like, yeah, that's and guess what else does that
every fucking lullaby in the history ofever. So it just I've looked it

(34:24):
up to the other band there yougo. Well, but five put to
me that minus Bad Company, tome, they played the same song ten
times. That to me that everysong they've put out to me, sounds
the fucking sing. All they dois put out covers. Now I don't
know any of the original ship.I know their cover of Blue on Black,

(34:46):
I know their cover of Bad Company, I know their cover of House
of the Rising Sun. I knowtheir cover of uh, oh Ship no
name It. That's that's disturbed thatdoes land the confusion, Yeah, and
uh bad Wolves does Zombie, althoughBad Wolves is doing their best five finger
death punch impression doing that song.And I mean, like, oh god,

(35:08):
I just I can't get the guy'svoice. Man, I can't either
somebody's voice. And it's like thedude, the dude from uh ship nothing
man, oh fucking it's gonna driveme nuts now beat bolbeat, thank you,
thank you someone who you're like theonly other person who agrees with me.

(35:30):
Every time I bring that up,people are like, what are you
talking about? Dude? We're likewe're like, we're like, we're like
people who still smoke like traditional tobaccocigarettes. We're still out there. Oh
where do you go? I don'tknow they are, Okay, that's that's
the Internet. That's what that is. So must have been the internet because

(35:52):
I heard you guys through the entirething. And I also I heard oh
where did he go? Apparently thevol beeat armies keep but uh yeah,
like it'll happen. Like I'll talkto someone that goes, what are you
into? And I'm like, it'sit's just easier to tell you what I'm
not into, Like what are younot into? And I'm like, okay,

(36:13):
I'm gonna get very specific. I'mnot into most fucking opera. And
they're like, whoa, where thefuck are we gonna listen to opera?
You ask? Motherfucker. Anyways,Like bands, I'm like, I can't
stand Volby and nine times an times, what dude, you're like Metallica,
I'm like, the nothing like Metallica. It's because the fucking rhythmitar player plays
triplets. That does not make themlike Metallica. Okay, oh, but

(36:36):
everyone's in a while they'll be like, oh you two and I'm like,
oh, my people, why doyou hate the voice? And it's at
the same time almost every I swearto it's like a scene out of a
movie. And I'm like, aremy people, We've found each other.
So yes, Chris, we areout there. You just have to look
your time. I tell people likefive hundred death punts Volbeat the same band
to me. They're like, whatwhat's wrong with you? I'm like,

(36:58):
like, I studied music in college. That's I guess that's what's wrong with
me. Bolbeat has one song,right, No I'm just it's just I
know I've only ever heard the onesong. No, they got a ton
of hits, do they. Okay, yeah, I know. I'm disappointed

(37:20):
too. Would have never known.Yeah, but what's funny to your?
Life would have been better for notdoing that. So we've we've brought a
little darkness into your life, andfor that there is a God. When
we die, we won't answer forour sin. What's funny to me is
five Finger Death punched the guy justin the middle of the guy's stage rant.
The crowd just starts cheering, andI did he thought he said something

(37:40):
cool or witty or something. Itwas. No. The fucking Lions game
ended and we all realized it atthe same time. Oh my gosh,
dude, I don't know if youpaid any attention to that game. It
was a fucking shootout. Okay,just saying, played enough local gigs and
enough fucking every night of the weekfor long enough to be like, you

(38:05):
gotta really have someone if they're gonnabe on the mic, especially in the
local bars, you better have someonewho knows who's on the mic, who
knows what they're looking at as faras sports go, because what you just
said if that happened. Oh,that's happened so many times. And dude,
every band looks like a douchebag whenthey're oh, thank you for the
applause. Everyone's like, Wings justscored you, stupid ass. Oh what's

(38:28):
funny is after the next song,After the next song he does go,
hey, I got a question,why aren't you watching the game? And
my drunk as shouts because it fuckingended before you began this song, dip
shit. Well, to his credit, he did come out in Alliance Jersey.
I think he came out in akhalif Raman jersey, which nice random
Jersey. We came out in ournumber three or number four Receivers jersey.

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All right, thank you for visitingChristopher Media dot n act. Thank you
for visiting Christopher Media. Dott noweistein Kills. I have no idea who
the fuck that is. I knowthe name, but that's it. Here's

(39:13):
what I can tell you about that. I can give you their stage banter,
Hello Detroit, good night Detroit.It was one of those bands where
there was a fucking video on screenand then a bunch of bullshit playing before
they started their songs, and theywere all wearing suspenders and fucking bow ties
and like Jess would have loved itpretty much. I was about to say,
I don't. I see them popup on my Spotify playlist all the

(39:37):
time, but I don't. Ican't isolate any of their songs like that.
Yeah, like definitely, Like ifyou look at the two nights,
Night one was for the old people, Night two was for the young people.
As far as the openers went,like, it was definitely some shit.
Like I called it sonic Bukaki becausethere was just so much shit going

(39:58):
on too. You couldn't fucking understandbetween between how they screamed and everything they
were playing and all the extra bullshitplaying while they were playing. It was
like, it's just I don't knowif you know what the word cacophony means,
but that band set is fucking definitionof it. That is so dude,
Wow, you are okay. Ijust sampled them real quick, and

(40:21):
I'm like, I don't hear.I mean, it ain't good, but
like, dude, you're like,you're putting it's just music that you don't
like. I mean, that's noteven fucking dissident. There's no dissidence there.
It's not bordering on like a noisegenre. The singer isn't going for
an extreme metal delivery, whether itbe a black metal high head voice or

(40:42):
a guttural fucking death metal growl.It's not fucking littered with samples. I
mean, that is so fucking vanilla. It's wearing ugs and it's wold Starbucks.
Bro, I like, that isjust garbage. That is just so
yeah, inoffensive gruel. It's noteven interesting enough to hate. It's just

(41:06):
it just exists. I mean,and so, and what kills me is
you're like, there's the horrible cacofphony. I'm like, bro, now you're
just showing your age, because that'snot even I can tell it. I
could play you music that you'd belike, now that's a cacophony, a
noise. But if you sat downas a musician and gave it a shot,
you'd be like, oh, I'mstarting to see what Rich is talking
about. There's a fucking there's afuck ton of polygrhythms going on in here,

(41:28):
and blah blah blah blah blah blahblah. Especially if I start breaking
down how a lot of these guysassembled this music. Oh, I for
things like Attack Attack, I know, I mean, I know, no,
that's garbage. But I'm talking aboutlike like shit that like I'm talking
about like like when you get intobands that are described as the Aphex Twin
of black metal. Okay, that'swhat I'm talking about. Sounds aggressive and

(41:58):
it's really And their last two albumsthey took a hard turn from electric like
almost like a like a like anE d M black metal with Middle Eastern
and blues samples and influences thrown into a jazz Tom Waits Tommy the Cat
with less Claypool type delivery for thesinger and almost like a loungeacked from outer

(42:22):
space type sound good. The band'scalled Mama Leakue. You're on your own.
I'm just I'm not telling you they'regonna good. I'm not telling you
they're gonna be bad. If youwant to listen to something interesting, Mama
League newest albums called Diner Coffee,That's what I'm talking about, where it's
like you can really hear the TomTom Waits influence. Yeah, Like that's

(42:42):
the type of shit that you're likeyou're describing. I respected that type of
stuff, and I'm like, thisis just radio bullshit. These Cacoffey,
this is just garbage, is whitenoise. No. I mean, dude,
the stuff I saw, I didn'tmean to go music snob for real
on the podcast. Dude, I'mjust saying that. I'm just describing what
I saw, like just loud guitars, a lot of double bass, a

(43:04):
lot of screaming, a lot offucking synth lines and fucking samples. While
they were like, wow, maybeyou picked like a tame thing, but
yeah, it was definitely I wasthinking like, yeah, someone like ten
to fifteen years younger than me wouldfucking love this shit. Pull up,
pull up. Well, I'm lookingat Ice an Ice nine kill song from

(43:25):
two years ago called Funeral Derangements,So there you go. That's that's what
I'm looking at as far as andthat's from their channel, so that's I
mean, I'm not saying it isfrom two years ago, but it looks
fairly recent. They have a songcalled Meet and Greet where the meat is
spelled at. Okay, what Iwas gonna say is pull up, pull

(43:46):
up, any suicide silence play that, And that's what I think of when
you described what you just described.All right, Yeah, the first one
that comes up on YouTube is onecalled you Only Live Once sarahficial video.
You can just pick any moment pastfifty one seconds pretty much. Remember we

(44:07):
can't hear it, so no onemiss heavy. Okay, Yeah, that's
like that's what I thought. Maybeyou were talking about. That's who I
wish it would have been this.I wish it would have been like this.

(44:27):
That's they held my attention. WhenI went to go see them.
I was main floor at State Theaterand they're fucking They're playing and I'm like,
oh shit, this is pretty fuckingheavy. And the main floor was
nuts, but nowhere near as nutsis Pantera and Upstate New York. When
I saw him, that's that's thethat's the the main the big show I
went to that was the most violentpit I've ever seen. The most violent
but I've ever seen period was locallyhere at the Wired Frog. I guess

(44:52):
more I get, yeah, it'swith ice nine kills. It was more.
It reminded me of like Emo andScream oh than metal. I guess
if I want to perhaps amend myreview of it, it wasn't I wasn't
getting a metal vibe. I wasgetting uh uh, this would go great
with my Chemical Romance Reunion tour.You're just selling them more and more for

(45:15):
more. Jess has got like theirentire back catalog ordered now She's like,
I know what I'm listening to allday tomorrow. Like I said, they
keep popping up on like my suggestedplaylist, but I typically suggest they have
a song with Jacoby Shaddocks. Itwasn't I and okay, I'm not.

(45:43):
How do you have a little bitof taste all of a sudden, I'm
selective with my bad music. Seehere's the thing, folks. I would
apologize to Jess for the for themusic nerd ship starting off this podcast,
but she be happy to join inand says, we don't listen to the
garbage. She listens to you whenwe talk about like any music deeper than

(46:07):
like what she saw on the Warpedtour. When the Warped tour was like
you still go to warp tour?No, was like that that's her,
that's her ship. That's the shipthat brings tears to her eyes. So
I, first of all rude.Second of all, it's more the When
We Were Young tour. That's moremy that's a that's a tour cashing in

(46:31):
on the memories of people who weregoing to the late stages, the death
throes of the warp Tour. Yo, that was the good stages of the
Warped Tour. No, it wasn't. This is like a metal fan trying
to tell me. This is likeend of gen X metal fan trying to
tell me how new metal is justas good, just as valid as early

(46:53):
eighties thrash and like into like earlynineties like groove metal, And I'm going,
what are you high? You aretrying to tell me what good emo
music is and you you do notknow what good email music is. That's
not your thing. What wave ofemo are we talking about? Because I

(47:15):
will totally go okay once you getpast like, I don't know what would
few and far between be considered thirdwaves? I know a bunch of gentlemen
in the eighties who wore mascara whowould argue with you about what emo is
there? Jess, And I mean, if we're talking about the nineties,
you got Sunny Day real Estate,you got Promised Ring, you got Cursed.
I mean that's the demo, thatJawbox, that's them that I do,

(47:36):
Bob the sad Clown Jess would haveyou would be upset with you.
I don't know what you're talking aboutexactly exactly mainstream emo? Can we call
it that for sure? Man,No, you know what it is.
Honestly, it's see emo. Justto me, EMO comes out of hardcore

(47:57):
because the hardcore guys stopped fucking screamingand they starts singing and the music was
pretty much the same. That's firstwave EMO. That's the the the the
birth of EMO. That's where EMOcomes from. Everything else has been an
evolution from that point. And it'slike, okay, cool, I can
accept there's third and fourth wave EMOthat I'm not into. And yes,
the EMO that you're referencing, Jess, it's widely now considered in music history

(48:21):
for whoever. Fucking I don't knowhow important or official that is, but
yeah, that's like the bands yourname, and yeah, that's they're considered.
They're legit. Third wave EMO.That's like two thousands emo, that's
that's around that is. And seethe EMO that I knew in the two
thousands were guys that were shifting frommore of the almost they they kept the

(48:45):
the hard guitars maybe of EMO,but like they almost started going more in
me. Oh, here's Jess,I got one for you. Okay,
is Dashboard confess Emo to you God? Yes? Okay? Yeah. See.
And the bands, like the guysI knew, were like, hey,

(49:07):
this new guy and Dashboard Confessional,this is a sad motherfucker. Someone
needs to give him a hug.Like they were kind of goofing on the
like him as like the young guy, because first of all, the guys
I knew that were flat out emodidn't want to be called emo. It's
like calling people at hipster in liketwenty thirteen. It's a good way to
start an argument. But it's like, you guys are clearly EMO, and

(49:30):
you're from Michigan, You're clearly midwiest. You all play telecasters, y'all have
weird tunings, you'll use kpos.You ain't never met a fucking three four
or six eight beat? You neverfucking did you want everyone we wanted to
turn down? Yeah, you're Emo, guys. I'm talking like so definitely

(49:50):
Dashboard brand new, taking back SundayDashboard. What about the what about the
used four? They used? AFI? Did I say? I don't think
I said AFI? For sure.The guys I knew the guys I knew.
They're like the used were there.The used were their guilty pleasure for
their taste in music that's not emo. You're like, we like to use

(50:12):
in spite of the fact that theuse your douchebags, and they because they're
popular. Same thing with Jimmy World. They love Jimmy World until Bleed American
AKA the one with all the hitson it, they had to change the
name after nine to eleven happened.I'm suddenly drawing like this massive emo blank.
But here's what I'm saying, islike, this is this is just

(50:32):
this is just backing up what Iwas saying. The older emos, we're
looking down their nose at this stuffwhen this stuff was coming out, and
the younger emos were looking up tothe music that the older emos were making
that I knew, but they werealso loving this shit, And I was
like, it's just the next stepin evolution. It's like when metal went
from Sabbath to sunset strip to cornlimp biscuits. If you're fans of those

(50:58):
genres, most people would argue thatthere's no real metal about the other genres,
but everybody else is like, that'sall metal. It's just different types
of metal, do you know whatI'm saying. Yeah, Yeah, that's
all I'm saying. So I mean, I'm actually backing up your point,
Tony Iomi says, you're welcome forall three of them. Yeah, I
know. Right. There's a guynamed kool a cool Ea on YouTube and
he's fucking hilarious and he's like someteenage when he's probably like in his twenty

(51:22):
he's probably twenty twenty one now,but he's a young guy from somewhere in
England, and he just talks aboutall these obscure and extreme metal and different
genres of music, like obscure punkbands, Japanese punk bands who had like
like warrants for their arrest put outfor playing in Japan and shit like like

(51:45):
just fascinating stuff like that. Ifyou like any of the stuff we're talking
about, go check out his channelbecause he makes very easily digestible for pretty
much anybody videos. They're like seveneight minutes long. They're edited in a
funny way. He has a funnyride delivery, but it's like it covers
all these genres and subgenres and ata certain point he's just always like anything

(52:07):
metal, he goes, and asusual, let me just get this out
the way. It all started withBlack Sabbath. I mean he's like,
hey, you can make the argumentwell, he's like, you can make
the argument about blue for blue cheerwith summertime Blues. But that was you
know, and this and that orthe who Live at Leads, but those
are proto metal, real metal.That really started it off with Black Sabbath.

(52:28):
And it's like, yes, prettymuch, I think we've all agreed
upon that. Yes, so everything'sdownstream in Sabbath in Metal. Yes.
Yeah. So you said something Chrisabout eisenein Kills and it was that they
had like no state, like theydidn't interact with the audience at all.
No, it was it was therewas Hello Detroit and thank you Detroit in

(52:51):
the whole thing. It was.It was all videos and sound bites in
between the songs. Was that like, as someone who was formed, I
mean, I guess this is alsothat's a fucking band being up their own
ass. Okay. When I sawCeither, they did not address us at
all. They came out, playedand walked off and there were no sound

(53:13):
bites, there was no nothing.They did not say hello, they did
not say goodbye. That is alsoa band being up its own ass.
Okay. Yeah, and the dudefrom Cither is well, you gotta understand
that. Like Amy Lee wrote thesong call Me when You're Sober about him
and made no bones. It waslike this, how big of an asshole
he is? Yes, all thosewiney ass songs he writes, that's how

(53:35):
he is in real life? Cool? Okay, I just that always rubbed
me like the wrong way. ButI didn't know if I was in the
wrong, Like maybe I just hadsome sort of expectation. Here's the thing.
When a band does what Ice nineKills does, I always wonder what
are you hiding? Like when theydo that shit or when they fucking dress
up, Like when there's any kindof gimmick, I always want under what

(54:00):
are you hiding? Like with me, I'll always tell you with Kiss it's
the fact that they're very average andnot that great. That's what they were
hiding. Okay, like Slipknot,they turned out to be talented, but
my guess is they're all fucking ugly. But but uh, have you seen
Corey Taylor? No, the fuckhe's not there, you go. I
was about to say, I knowI even know some dudes. I'm like,

(54:22):
I think you like Corey Taylor inthe way you ain't ready to deal
with. He's just whenever there's agimmick with the band, it's the generosity
of females never ceases to amaze me. Ladies and gentlemen, right, I
just I just always wonter. Whycan't you just go up there and play?
That's that's just that's the musician snobin me. Okay, okay,

(54:44):
now here's me going to give you. Like this is why you need to
understand why someone holds the opinion theydo. You just don't accept their opinion
at face value. Because at facevalue, I'm going to disagree with Chris,
But when I explain what I'm talkingabout, he's gonna be like,
oh, well, in that case, yeah, I totally pretty much agree
with you. Yeah, I getit. Context matters. People. The
band that like I went and sawrecently is an instrumental band, and the

(55:07):
venue I was seeing them at isa max people at that venue of three
hundred seat venue. Now they're aband who plays festivals of like, you
know, one hundred thousand people,but they just they're from Chicago. And
they lay here and they're they're loyalto this area and people come out and
see them. And they don't dressin costumes, they don't do any of
that. But you know what,the I guess designated speaker for the band

(55:30):
gets up and he's like, hey, thank you for coming out. Blah
blah blah. Here's the deal.We really since we don't have a singer,
we really don't talk. So unlesssomething happens where I needed to explain
something or you know whatever, blahblah blah. Someone breaks the string,
which of course happened now that hementioned it, because it's like, you
never mentioned anything bad will happen intothe mic because the music gods are angry
and petty and they will hear you. But like they were just like,

(55:53):
so, we're just gonna play,and dude, they're an instrumental band.
They're not hiding behind anything delay pedals. It's not a gimmick. If you're
an instrumental band, you're just playing. They're not dressed up. You didn't
have to put on a clown wig. Fucking they're Hi, we're an instrumental
band. Here's what we do.Like no fucking a jazz combo don't work
the crowd. They just go upthere and hey, how you doing boom

(56:15):
jazz. I mean, from whatI understand, sometimes people were like,
we wish Miles would really shut up. So I mean, like yeah,
but like I guess with Ice ninekills, like look at the videos and
here's some movie sound effects and youknow, fucking one of the songs,
fucking they wield somebody on who waslike tied to a fucking like office chair

(56:37):
and had a fucking bag over hishead, and they were like mimicking like
beating on the person like that kindof shit they're going. They're going full
seventies Cooper trying to yeah, ooh, look at us, it's metal performance
art whatever, just go up thereand play. This has little patience for

(56:58):
pretentiousness, and in his metal yeah, du just fucking yeah, dude,
just go up there and fucking ifyou can't go up there and rock out
in a fucking black T shirt anda pair of jeans and speak for yourself,
then I want to hear about it. Rich. I think we're hitting

(57:20):
on why I wanted nothing to dowith hair metal, Like, get all
that bullshit out of here. Whydo you got to dress up like a
fucking woman because be the fact thatyour songs are all terrible bullshit. Yeah,
I'm with you on that, andthat's why I like, I ended
up having this weird fucking memory ofall these bands who existed back then,

(57:43):
but they didn't put on the makeuplike driving and crying and uh uh well
the Black Rose right knows the BlackCrows. Now, well, if you're
of a certain age, I assumeyou at least have heard the name of
the Black Crows. Uh, butyou know, those bands were like coming
out in the heyday of hair metaland not really the Black Crows though they

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weren't, but they were on thesame venue. There were the same bills.
There's a lot of hair metal bands, so would you consider them playing
to the same audience? At leastthose were more like mainstream rock bands to
meet, like I think they were, yeah, but yeah, they were
trying to take some of the sameaudience, but to be they weren't.
Tesla Tesla was just a fucking yea. Tesla's got more in common with thirty

(58:29):
eight Special than they do Motley Crue. But their record label wanted them to
be like their first album. Theywant them to be like the Hey,
you gotta tease your hair and doall this ship and they were like,
all right, whatever, and thenthe next album they're like, no,
we're gonna do it all yeah,but they stopped doing it. Yeah,
and even uh bands like Queen's Reichstopped doing it, and uh and who

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else? Who else? There's afew bands that went, no, that's
skid Row right the first album theyall look like bitches and that was it.
And after that and they to bringit back to one of the bands
you saw. That's the reason skidRow had such a change in sound and

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not really imaged so much. Definitelyno hair spray by the second album.
And it was like kind of likea little hair spray still in that first
album, like and that I'll RememberYou video. Hair's a little teased,
you know what I'm saying. Soit's not like it's not Welcome to the
Jungle actual teased, but it's teased. But by the second Slave to the

(59:30):
Grind, No, that shit wasgone. It was because they went on
tour and took Pantera's or open Anact and everyone in skid Row to their
credit, even though I'm not abig skid Row fan, even though I
do think Slave to the Grind hassome jams on it. To their credit,
they told the truth. They werelike, Pantheric come out there every
night and falked us in the assin front of our own crowd, to

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the point where it was like,we can't follow this, dude, I
will not turn off some youth gonewild or some monkey business. Straight up
monkey business is what was written,and Slaved to the Grind was what was
written on the tour with Pantera inresponse to we have to come up with
something that will get our crowd,because like the crowd was still chanting Pantera
Pantera while like while fucking they're onstage and you know, between their first

(01:00:16):
and second song or whatever, theywere like, yeah, this is bad.
Oh if you ever watched if you'veever seen the vulgar video, Oh,
skid Row's all over that thing,because most of those videos are from
when they were on tour with skidRow. Well no, no, they
were boys and shit, but itwas just like Pantera was just taking them
to school. Dude every day.Dude, I'm telling you that pan Tara

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should have been the headliner. Andthat was basically what fucking Smashing Box was
getting at. We should have beenopening for Pantera, dude. So there
you go, just based just ittook me back on Friday to the last
time I saw Pantera and just thinking, just like just Diamond Vinnie together,
they were just again They'll say itagain, they were a of nature like

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and you don't realize that once youtry to see the same band without them
like this is You're like, no, I get it, it's the same
songs, But there's no way thisis the same. This is not the
same chemistry at all. Anybody who'sa parent who has two kids get into
the same thing, like maybe thesame sport, but they don't want to

(01:01:21):
be playing the same position or they'regoing to get into music, they don't
play the same instrument, and theyactually get proficient at what they're doing together.
You know that, especially in themusic world, those they have a
connection that nobody else will ever havebecause they literally came up and learned their
instrument with their brother, who theyhad such a deep connection with as a

(01:01:43):
sibling. You know what I'm saying. It's hard to explain to a non
musician, but especially a drummer anda guitar player. They're following each other,
but ultimately, like you look atVan Halen, Alex is following at
you, look at Pantera, Vinniewas fucking reacting to what Dime was playing.
Oh shit like that. That's becausethey grew up together and it worked.
It worked, hell yeah, Andjust why Because they grew up together

(01:02:07):
and they were brothers and they kneweach other. They had that nonverbal communication
even more so than musicians already haveon stage. Musicians can't talk to each
other. People don't, I know, they don't realize this. You ain't
miked up with an in ear mic. I mean, I guess maybe rich
fans do this these days, butI was never that you better learn to
communicate through eye contact, head nods, yep, raising of a fucking raising

(01:02:31):
of a headstock, a little bitlike follow me into this, Okay,
here we go. You better follow. You better be very paying attention.
I was lucky enough to have agroup of guys like we could do that.
And seeing Metallica you pissed off atour lead singer, My god,
damn it, you ruined it.You know, I mean, everything comes

(01:02:55):
to you know, everything runs itscourse. It was it was getting near
the end anyways, But no,it's I get it rich, like,
yeah, there's just if you geta group of musicians that just locks in,
dure's just you keep You can't explainit to non musicians. It is.
It is definitely the definition of nonverbalcommunication. Some of the best jam

(01:03:15):
sessions I ever had. We're withthe musicians I was playing with before I
really fucking hung up, Like Ilike I lot before I lost my desire
to keep playing because I kept playingafterwards, like trying to force my desire
to keep playing to come back.But like those musicians, dude, First
of all, the bass player wastwenty years older. Mean drummer was ten
years older. Mean drummers my cousin. We didin't grow up together. We're

(01:03:36):
not close or anything, but weknew each other growing up. I mean
we're cousins, you know what I'msaying. So, but I mean it
was like I was like, ohmy god, this is so fucking great.
And I'm in when we're in ourrehearsal space and I'm like, let's
just let's do something like this.No why because I ain't dragging my fucking
shit. We're old, We're notdragging our shit to no bar. Blah
blah blah, blah blahlah blahcau.You gotta remember I'm thirty, So the

(01:03:58):
oldest guy is fifty and my cousin'sten years older. Are me at forty?
These guys are like, I'm notdragging a bunch of fucking equipment to
bars and set up to play forfucking three people on a Tuesday night.
You're gonna have to make some We'regonna have to give us some money,
and we're gonna have to fucking makesome money for me to set up my
equipment. But still best musicians Iever played with, what you're talking about,
That that that nonverbal communication effortless.I was the one having to play

(01:04:21):
catch up instead of the one usuallyconducting with my group of musicians that I
played with. Does that make senseto you, Cross? Yes? Okay,
Jess, Are you following any ofthis on any level, on a
tiny level? Sure? Yeah,okay. I mean I'll put a bow
on all this because then we canmove on to the you know, we've

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been like an hour on the Metallicaconcert, move on to Grammy nominations.
But I will say for me personallytoo, this knocked out minus one,
Like this knocked out all of I'veseen all of my rock guitar heroes,
well minus two. Well for starters, we can't reanimate Jimmy Hendrix, so
that's not happening. But you know, I got to see Hetfield and Hammett.

(01:05:04):
I've seen Tom Morello, I've seenKim Thyle, I've seen Jerry Cantrell,
seen Diame Bag Darryl I feel there'soh yeah, I've seen Misstaine and
Friedman, and I've seen Jimmy Page. So I figure at least a personal
checklist. I've gotten to see allof my personal rock guitar heroes. Now,

(01:05:27):
I just I got to get myass to Guns and Roses show.
I go see mister Saul Hudson oryou all know him as Slash. Is
that it? You're done? Afterthat? That was your entire list.
As far as guys who have actuallyinfluenced me personally, yes, Like as
far as people who I cut,like my rock chops on and I I
definitely could play you lots of theircatalog, Yes, all of those players.

(01:05:50):
Absolutely, you have to go wheneverthey come anywhere near you. You
have to, right, I guesshow can you possibly? It's so exped
now to go see old bands becausethey're like, my fans are old now
and they have money. Here's myhere's my thing. You're going to see
Guns and Roses if you want tosee Slash. Just to see Slash,

(01:06:13):
you could have saw him for pennieson the dot. I've seen him.
Actually, I saw the Snake Pit. I was gonna wait. It was
Fit with the Miles Kennedy band.I saw Slash his Blues Ball. It
was him going around doing like abunch of blues covers. I've actually been
interested in seeing that because I don'tlike Slash outside of Guns and Roses.
But to be honest with you,I don't like Slash outside of first album

(01:06:36):
and half the fucking maybe half ofthe Abuse Your Delusions albums, and well,
okay, this is when I wasin my twenties and still piece of
that together. I've seen Velvet Revolver. Have I seen? I think I've
seen Velvet Revolver. God, that'sscary that there's like a couple of years
where I was. Yeah, I'msaying when I was in that band.

(01:06:57):
There's dude, there's still I watchfootball every Sunday with a lot of the
dudes that were around then, andevery once in a while, this dude
says something and I said that.He's like, oh yeah, I'm like
cool, it sounds like me,like I'll still get hit with shit like
that, like god damn, orlike I said that or I did that.
Some of it's funny, some ofit's embarrassing. Uh, as long
as you have a whole lot ofAnd then he pissed in the closet and

(01:07:19):
we beat his ass until we realizedhe was out of He was just blacks
out, drunk on his feet,no idea what the fuck he's doing.
Yeah, none of my stories endwith well, yeah, remember you know,
and then we had to come getyou from jail. Yeah, none
of the stories involving me and withme in jail. I always knew when
to shut the fire. I couldwalk that fine line of being a smart

(01:07:40):
ass, but no when to shutthe fuck up. So yeah, I
never picked anybody up from jail untilI was forty one. Mike's wife not
a good run of not picking upanybody from jail. Oh more than sorry.
I was not familiar with the process. They're all yelling at me,

(01:08:01):
what I'm like, I don't knowwhat to fucking do. Like my wife's
in here. Who where do Ihave to give money? They're like you
gotta come back, and like afew hours it was the whole thing.
Well, yeah, I've done itso much. I've had failed attempts at
picking people up at jail and peoplelike, come get me, and I'm
like, look here, man,I know how it is. I ain't
paying shit, I ain't signing shit. You need a ride, Okay,

(01:08:23):
I'll give you a ride, butI don't fucking think you're gonna get me
out there and fucking oh fifty shortit will be hold. But no,
none of that bullshit. No,no, no, no no. And
then I get out there and it'ssome bullshit. I'm like, man,
you got ten minutes to figure itthe fuck out. And I'm turning around
driving off like I don't give afuck. Sit your ass in jail,
and like you wasted off, Andto be honest with you, in one

(01:08:45):
case, I swear it with someonejust fucking saying shit just so we had
something to do, not giving afuck. I'm burning gas. I can't
afford to burn drive halfway around OaklandCounty to fucking try to get his ass
out of jail. But whatever,Now do you see, I don't remember
a lot about like a couple ofyears, like what like what bands did
I and did I not see fora couple of years in the two thousands,

(01:09:08):
because holy ship, there was alot going on. And we'll leave
it at that. Yeah for me, like oh three to oh nine,
little fuzzy still still putting it anyway. So yeah, it's uh, it's
a good weekend for me. Thankyou for visiting Christopher Media dot net.
Thank you for visiting Christopher Media dotUh. So keep it in the music

(01:09:45):
realm. The Grammy nominations came.Boy, here we go, okay,
over under on percentage of these artistsI've heard of someone keep track, jask,
get hold sc get like a pencilon a piece of paper, and
you don't have to keep their names, but just like artists if I've heard
of them or not. Actually,I've just be like, Okay, he
hasn't heard of three of these five. You can make three marks for not

(01:10:08):
heard of. I've gone over thesesongs already here on the Weathment podcast,
here on Chris remedia dot net.And I'm betting rich over under. Oh
let's see, we'll start with withwith we only went over Record of the
Year. But let's see, I'mgonna go sex. Well let's okay,

(01:10:33):
I'm gonna go you know, sevenpeople on this list. I was gonna
say this. I was gonna saythis, Let's go with song of the
Year male and female Artists of theYear or wait because those don't cover bands?
Does it because it's groups now?Because they're their own thing? Whatever?
Yeah, okay, fine, howeveryou want to do it. Yeah,
that's cool. I'm OVERCOMPLI over complicated. Let's a song of the Year

(01:10:56):
is a different thing, and Iwould have a different yah. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, let's not dothat. Let's not do that. Yeah
yeah, record of the year,which is I don't understand why. What's
the difference between Record of the year, song of the Year, and album
of the year? Well, actually, what's the difference between Record of the
Year and song of the year.Record is an individual song. Album is
a body of work longer than anextended play. So an EP or lp

(01:11:18):
OH record of the Year explained awardto the artist and of the producers,
recording engineers and or mixers and masteringengineers, if other than the artist.
Sure, there's also all that,So that I was lied to at some
point when someone explained it to me, which very well. Someone could have
just been talking out their ass andjust told me something just to shut me

(01:11:39):
up when I was a little kid. The song of the year is only
to the songwriter. There we go. That's the difference between Song of the
Year and Record of the year.Record of the Year is Okay. I
thought you were talking about what differencebetween album and record of the Year.
Well, album of the Year isa whole fucking albums worth of work.
Record is one song. Yeah,I think I misspoke. It was more

(01:12:00):
what's the difference Records of the Yearand Song of the year. So pretty
much Record of the Year is everybodybut the songwriter, and Song of the
Year is the songwriter. Okay.So anyway, the over under I'm going
I'll take, Jess. You wantthe under five or the over five?
All right, we're both taking theover rich over five. That's some faith,

(01:12:26):
okay. The first Record of theYear nominee is Worship by John Batiste.
Do you know who John Baptiste is? Okay, we're ill to find
here right off the bat I knowthe name, that's it, So I
would say, no, I don'tknow well enough to quote a song or

(01:12:46):
even a hormberfucking song. All right, damn it, that was one I
was thinking he was. He wasformerly Cobet's band leader, Boy Genius.
Not strong enough or not strong enoughby Boy Genius, I should say,
know of them, probably have heardtheir music and not realized it was them,
and so it didn't leave much ofan impression on somebody counts like you've

(01:13:09):
heard of them? Oh yeah,because we're going like if you've heard of
them, like for me, Ilike John Viptiz, Yes, I've heard
of them, but I'm I couldn'ttell you if I've heard name of the
music. But Boy Genius, I'mpretty sure I've heard Boy Genius's music.
And yeah, I know they're agirl group or mostly girl group, so
ironic name. Look at the Zoomersinventing irony. Yeah, we'll get to

(01:13:33):
them in a little bit. UhMiley Cyrus, of course, yeah,
Billie Eilish, Victoria Monet, No, that was on my list of you
wouldn't know, Olivia Rodrigo, Yes, you work with the Young's. Uh
gee, I mean this this isan automatic Taylor Swift, yes, and

(01:13:56):
Siza that's the center spot in theBingo card. Yeah, heard of five
before yesterday. I knew one,two, three, six, seven,
I knew seven. He had aradio gig leading into COVID where he was
playing like a lot of That's howI know Olivia Ravrigo. Yeah, and

(01:14:20):
Sissa and Billie Eilish. Scissa's anotherone where like I know the name,
I couldn't tell you if I've heardthe music. So no, I know
John Baptiste because I used to watchColbert before Trump ruined late night television.
I never watched Colbert never really evenonly watched Jimmy uh not fallon Kimmel,

(01:14:42):
like maybe the first half of hisfirst season, and then I would only
watch if he had someone I wantedto see because I was like, he
a, there's no shot in hellhe's going back to the Man show type
stuff. So I had no interestin Jimmy Kimmel, Yeah, outside of
the band show. So yeah,no idea none. All right, So
let's go to he said Album ofthe Year, John Baptiste again, boy

(01:15:08):
genius, Miley Anna del Rey,Oh yeah, I want to which one
is she of hers is nominated?Did you know that there's a tunnel under
ocean Boulevard. Okay, don't knowthat song. Jack Antonov has his fingers
on that one. Uh. JanelleMonet, that's one I've heard the name.

(01:15:30):
I couldn't tell you the music.Uh, Olivia, right, do
you know any of these people?All right, well you can answer to
Tte and Sissa. Round out thealbum nominations? Uh? Female or wait?
Didn't they do away male and female? I think they might have,

(01:15:54):
which means they'll be There will bea best overall and a Best Female category,
but no Best Male. There willbe that in ten years. The
best new artists I have heard of? Oh god, there's how many?
How many nominees are there? Eight? If I know one, I'll be
shocked. I've heard of three ofthese people, and after yesterday four Gracey

(01:16:17):
Abras like heard of I'll take three. No, I'll be shocked if I
know one of them. Go ahead, Gracie Abrams. Nope, Fred again,
that was one that I had heardof. It's seen the name Ice
Spice. She's in the commercials withShe's in the commercials with Ben Affleck for
Dunkin Donuts. Yeah, I've heardof her. Yes, Jelly Roll,

(01:16:42):
Yes, there's one I know,right, Coco Jones the best new artist,
and I've known about him for fouryears because I think he started coming
up through I think through COVID withthe YouTube. I think that's how he
started getting his Like this could belike his first major label or something.
I don't know. And that meansthat that was just word of mouth and

(01:17:04):
internet buzz and everybody I knew knewhad at least heard of the Man Summer
twenty twenty. Yeah, I knewjelly Roll. Yeah, I don't know
anything clip that and it will blackwill blackmail her family with with we will

(01:17:29):
blackmail her with We'll give this toyour family. Do you think they don't
know that I don't know anything,Oh, but they'll have you admitting it.
That might can do amazing things withthat with AI is what I'm saying.
My favorite plead is ignorance, allright, ignorant? How about Coco
Jones, Taylor right, no wakan Kahan no no, Victoria Monet never

(01:17:55):
heard of herd oh yesterday? Andthe war entreaty that sounds like emo bullshit.
Jess is furiously googling them right now. Lead Singer's cute, all right?
I like this band. No,that's just football team fair enough.
I mean, I'm just saying likeyou're you've evolved past that like a while

(01:18:17):
ago, because yeah, you've You'vebeen like, have you heard of so
and so? Do you like soand so? I do? And I'm
like that person's but booty ass ugly. So you accepted that the beautiful music
can be made by ugly people.Some people cannot get past that, and
that's that's there, that's their barrierto getting past the ship. There's spoon
fed. As far as fucking music. Oh, I'm sorry, getting too

(01:18:40):
real wrong meeting my bad I likedSlip not even before I knew that Corey
Taylor was pretty. Oh no,hey, look, I believe me.
There's a few female artists out therethat I've probably over the years given a
past too. I wouldn't have givento a man because I'm like good Eryl

(01:19:00):
Croby and one of them I forget, like I conveniently forget until it's forced
upon me. I'm ad Minni.But here I am admitting that I remember
it voluntarily on the podcast, butI try to forget that she covered Sweet
Child of Mine horribly for the BigDaddy soundtrack. Oh yeah, it is
not great, and I really tryto forget that she did a song with

(01:19:24):
kid Rock, And this is beforekid Rock and decided that he had to
own the libs and so, likeeverybody, that song was everywhere. If
you weren't around, and you weren'tlike maybe like conscious and aware of what
was going on in music at thatpoint, you have no idea how big
that song was. Oh, karaokehosts and hostesses hate that song, yep,

(01:19:45):
Yeah, for a reason. Yeah, and that was six months of
it, poor carryo. That wassix months of it for the average Joe
in the public karaoke host's been dealingwith it for twenty two or three years.
Yeah, I am down to likein like Field eleven, I'm still

(01:20:08):
Yeah. Apparently there's no more maleand female in group and all that crap
anymore. Like an individual artist versusgroup, there makes sense. Best solo
pop performance, best pop duo groupperformance, best pop du see but oh
god, okay, then we needto whatever. I can't have this conversation.

(01:20:31):
They need to define between a groupand a band. A group is
wu tang Clay is a group.Beatles are a band. You don't understand
the difference. I can't have thisconversation Queens of the Stone Age that you
guys have to say, get bestnod for or rot getting a nod for
Best Rock Album. I'll take takethat means I should give that thing a

(01:20:54):
listen. It's called in Times NewRoman. It queans the Stone Ages.
It's been two decades since they releasedan album. I can say I listen
to front to back and be like, you know, that was a solid
fucking album. I liked the onethat came I got it. I always
forget the title of it. Itcame out. What album is this,

(01:21:15):
the one with the vampire on it, Bear of Vulgaris or something like that.
No, I mean that one's allright. That one's them trying to
go back to their roots. Whatfucking album is this? Oh, like
Clockwork? That is an alright album? I found that one when I was
traveling, Like that is a decentalbum. Well still, I think the

(01:21:35):
point's been made, Like you getit that where we're at right now or
you made this point whether you meantto make it or not. Where we're
at right now? Like in popculture, pop culture does not give a
fuck about people in their mid forties. Nope. For the most part,
it's like we don't care that youexist. Once you turn thirty five,

(01:22:00):
you're dead. And there was neverlike I don't know, it was strange
that didn't use because you had likeyou had shit like Jethrow tal winning Best
Metal Album over Metallica and uh,Steely Dan's I think last Album winning Record
of the Year over the Marshall MathersLP right or whatever the fuck it was.

(01:22:27):
You know what I'm saying, Liketo the point where name when they
asked Eminem like I feel about SteelyDan when he's like Steely Dane, I
think no thing I know about SteelyDan is my mom had a couple of
their records. I mean, like, but that ship. I just don't
think it doesn't really happen anymore.I mean, didn't Bonnie Rait have a
moment at last year's Grammys? Isthat last year? I think it was

(01:22:49):
sure about that. I'm thinking it'smore like a decade ago. Man,
oh man, I can already behere. I'm thinking something was last year
and it was a decade ago.It was typed in Bonnie right, Well,
one of us are either you aren'tor I am. Now I'm starting
to question my twenty twenty three Okay, and I guess all right, shot

(01:23:11):
all of my own point there yougo. But that is uh, god,
damn it. I hate to saythis about an artist like Bonnie Rate
too, but that's I feel likethat's a token right, Like we're in
like the age of tokenism now,right Like when we were young, tokenism
was bad. Now it's fucking everywhere. Well, see, that's the way
I felt with Eric clapton the Unpluggedalbum. So I felt with a couple

(01:23:34):
like like Santana's Supernatural album, thosewere lifetime achievement awards they were getting when
they were getting awards for those things, especially the Unplugged album. What what
really did he What new material didhe present on there? Tears in havn't
had already been recorded and released.There was an instrumental that he did on
that Unplugged show that he had neverrecorded before. And his reworking of Leila,

(01:24:00):
Well yeah, it's because he putout a version of Laila that I
don't contemporary radio could play. Youcould hear all you were buying your slacks
at JC Pennies Sandwich between that versionof Laila Sandwich, between Tears for Fears.
Everybody wants to rule the World andNelly for Tato I'm like a bird.
Oh you us you shopping in nineteenninety nine. It was late two

(01:24:20):
thousands, that's true. Yeah,that'd been that had been hip if that
was happening in ninety nine, that'swhen Nellie for Title was first coming out.
By the way, Nelly for Tato, I don't know how I miss
it. Homegirl, Holy shit,she got some bass in her fucking walk.
God damn, I bitch has aprime cut of ass. I'm just
saying, oh. And then Ifound out she's like four eleven. I'm

(01:24:42):
like, okay, she's a midget, and who's got the fattest asses?
Midgets? Motherfucker? Wow? Diddid you guys looking up? No?
I was just I had a questionfor Jess and there's just no way to
segue out of oh, out ofmidget asses. But I want to ask
this question to Jest before I loseit, because you're right about that time,

(01:25:06):
even though no, it's you know, twenty nine. But uh,
have you started getting to the pointhave you? Have you been in the
grocery store yet and been like,man, the music and here's really good
they're getting. Oh yeah, don'tup in the grocery store. Don't hurt
my feelings with that, Yes Ihave. I'm just enjoying it and pretending
like they are just catching up withthe times instead of I'm becoming irrelevant.

(01:25:30):
Gotcha cool. I'll let you thinkthat. Thank you, no, because
that was definitely I was like,oh no, oh no, it was
definitely for me, and I realizedit. I was like, oh shit,
they're now playing music in the grocerystore for me. Fuck youep,
straight up hurt my feelings. It'sright up there with I definitely remember the

(01:25:50):
first time I was called sir.I was. I think I was like
twenty three, twenty four, butyeah, I was. It was some
high schooler hitting up to try getme to buy some cigarettes. But still,
fucking I remember that shit that wasat the gas the fucking gas station
and fifty mile little Mac getting gasand some fucking freshman called me sir.

(01:26:11):
God damn it ruined your holding.Do you remember the first time someone called
you ma'am? Yeah, yes,I'm called ma'am, no matter, no
ma'am. As a kid, I'mIt's just fine. I'll let you have
your denial. But you know whatI'm talking about. I know what you're
talking. But now, now ifyou're talking like my my parents and older

(01:26:33):
generations down south, my parents andolder people who there's pretty much like some
so the baby boomers. Now thatthat's all that's left of who I'm talking
about. When I was a kid, and when I was like up into
my twenties and you went down South, they wouldn't call you sir unless you
had a wedding ring on your head. They called you boy. That's why
I like, I don't know ifyou remember this, but when Biden was

(01:26:57):
campaigning and someone dug up so aboutyou know, oh, he referred to
somebody in the South as a boyand blah blah blah blah blah, and
I'm like, uh, if he'stalking to an old fucking Southern Democrat,
that's how they talk. It's justa and ma'am. Shit, they'll call
a fucking three year old child manto her face. What I'm saying.
I mean, I'll call yeah,everybody's ma'am. Maybe maybe if they're feeling

(01:27:21):
frisky, little miss, if they'rereally young, or if the little girl
like you know, box at ma'am. Oh, I'm sorry, okay,
little miss, something like that.But yeah, being called ma'am is not
that big of a deal for awoman in the South, especially by the
older people down south. It's true. So younger teenager coming up to you
go the first time, going excuseme, ma'am just didn't shake you go,

(01:27:43):
like man, not even my momhere, not even a little bit.
That's how I felt, was mydad here, what sir? You
cannot mean me? I am twentyfive. I started going grade eighteen,
but like, I started really showingby mid twenties, and by like,
holy shit, I was looking saltand pepper. So depending if I had
a hat on or not, itwas whether I got called sir or not.

(01:28:05):
So I just it kind of becamea thing that like, oh if
I got called sir, oh,I didn't put a hat on for left
the house today, Okay, SoI don't know. Yeah, not that
big of a deal to me.Seen from scrubs she called me mister.
Yeah. But the Grammys of thisyear, I feel we do this every
year. I feel I've known Iknew more of them this year than I

(01:28:26):
have in years past. There's beenyears where I'm like who who. There's
been years where I feel like ajoke, Like you could just you're making
shit up. You just got aname generator in front of you. I
want to say, from like twothousand and five or six to like twenty
thirteen, I have huge gaps inmy music knowledge. Like if it's not
a genre or an artist that Iwas really into, I putt a lot

(01:28:50):
of shit went over my head,like that, Oh, what's that fucking
song come out in two thousand andnine from the Black Eyed Peas like We're
Gonna have a good time or whateversomething like that. You know, yeah,
you got a feeling. Yes,No, I watching a watching a
VH one thing about music in thetwo thousands in twenty thirteen, by the

(01:29:12):
way, because it was VH one, and VH one never did, never
passed the chance, passed up,a chance for instant nostalgia. They were
like, blah blah blah two thousandand nine in this song, and I'm
like, really, that was ahit. I've never even heard that song.
And my buddy was watching it withme, goes, dude, that
song was everywhere where. Where thefuck were you. I'm like, not
listening to the radio obviously, Ohdude, old white people knew it.

(01:29:35):
That's how big it was. Noidea that song existed till twenty thirteen.
Wow, that's how unplugged from themainstream, Like and it wasn't like ooh
hipster trying to be a lot ofUh did interesting happened to me starting in
two thousand and nine, Yeah,yeah, yeah, pretty much had cable

(01:29:59):
brief from the end of twenty twelvetill like almost the end of twenty thirteen.
Haven't had cable in my name since. Never near radio that you didn't
control for four years. We didn'tlisten to the radio at work. I
mean it was at a gas station, like in public, That's what I'm
saying, Like it what do I'msaying, Like it was I heard that

(01:30:20):
song. It didn't even hit methat it was the Black Eyed Peas,
like somebody driving by with their musicup, That's what I'm saying, Like
it was fucking dude, Lady GatGoat. I had no idea what paparazzi
or I found out who Lady Gotgatwas through South Park. Wow, that's
two thousand and seven, two thousandand six, when that shit came out,

(01:30:41):
you could go Yanna Umbrella. Ifound out who Rihanna was that Like
I think, like what the eminemsong. I was like, who's this
broad? They're like, are youserious? You don't know what Yanna wasn't
until then I knew that. Ididn't know that song was her due by
then, she was fucking huge.I didn't know who Cia was until like

(01:31:04):
twenty nineteen. And the only reasonI do is because a buddy who is
I'm like, bro, you're you'rereally into her in a very weird way.
You need to talk? Do weneed to spend some time on this?
Like that type of is all abouther? And I was like,
who you know she is? I'mlike, no, weirdo. I don't
know. Like he was the typeof dude whould be in the fly Leaf

(01:31:24):
because of their lead singer. SoI was like, what are you wanna
fuck this broad with? She likelike she's thirteen weirdo? And then yeah,
he was like chucked us out andI'm like, I don't know who
the fuck that is? Never soppingmore. Sorry, I don't pay attention.
I don't care anymore, dude.Once I figured out that no one
cared about my music, I waslike, oh, so we were doing
this, We're just not giving afuck about We're not even gonna pretend to

(01:31:45):
give a fuck about shit that likeour friends like cool, I don't give
a fuck what you listen to becausey'all listen to garbage. End a discussion
with you next. Yeah, that'spretty much how I was for the last
fifteen years. We talked, dowe talk to me? Is it Chris?
Very often? Chris? Two musicians? I think we talk it very
little for two musicians, right,well, no, because we've both stopped

(01:32:06):
looking for new shit, both stoppedgiving the fuck. Yeah, But it
sounds like I'll go so far asto say, like I like fell out
of love with music, as faras like I didn't have a connection with
music anymore that like I used tohave. Even I don't know. I
started playing guitar when I was five, so I was so young. I
always remember music being part of mylife and then it just stopped. But

(01:32:28):
like it's kind of picked backed upagain, and it snuck up on me
in the last like six seven months. So I don't know that. I
mean last year, so I foundmyself listening to more music. It's a
lot of the same music, butevery now and then I do find the
more stuff, the newer stuff.I've been finding it at least new to
me is electronics stuff. And thenI went through last year as a period

(01:32:48):
for a while was listening to likea lot of fusion, and again all
old shit, that shit that's alreadyexisted, just me finding it. Well,
the beauty how I look at itnow, the beauty of it is
is that anything from the last twentyyears is now considered old shit. I
just spent pretty good chunk of timeexplaining how I've had my head up my

(01:33:08):
ass as far as music for thelast fifteen years. So there's a lot
of shit I missed. I'm like, whoa, and I'm looking off the
beaten path, and I'm not evenhaving to look that hard to find shit
that it's at least interesting and leadingme to shit that I actually like,
which is rare. I think howmany times have we heard people say this
over the years on the podcast,and we've probably set it ourselves to a

(01:33:29):
certain extent. There's good music outthere, you just have to really want
to fucking dig through the piles ofshit and find it. I think in
the last ten years we've definitely optimizedhow to find music. Where's your starting
point? Okay, you like thisband? You like this genre, all
right, you can actually go andyou know, go online and ask people
or fucking get recommendations and shit,check this out, check that out words

(01:33:53):
before you It has a mix calledDiscover, like, hey, here's a
bunch of shit you don't listen tothat that we think you'd be in to
that based on all the other shityou listen to. Yeah, yeah,
I'm sure there's some version of thaton any fucking streaming service, especially if
you pay for it. Excuse me, but yeah. And for a while
there, it's like the Internet isfinally what people were like, Oh man,

(01:34:15):
you're gonna be able to go onthere and find whatever the fuck you're
looking for as far as music.Yeah, but it had to really get
its ass beaten by corporate America andyou know, fucking go through the gauntlet
and come off the other side.And it's like now I go to like
if you want to buy, ifyou want to get music from the artist
and you want to support the artists, go to band camp or something.
Not I know there's drama with bandcamp. I don't know the extent of

(01:34:38):
it, but something like that wherethe artist is putting their music up themselves
and usually you can even get likevinyl off of them for seventy five percent
of what they're charging anyplace else.I mean, like and most of it,
I mean the vast majority of themusic. I'm like band Camp that
I've discovered stuff from. It's free. They'll let you stream it like here,

(01:34:58):
there you go, and a lotif they have like EPs, a
band has an EP or something,they'll be like, name your price and
you can download it and keep it. We don't care if you're actually supporting
the musician. So they're the memesare there and you just have to do
a little bit of looking and youcan pretty much get the ball rolling.
And once the ball gets rolling,once you're in like the the ecosystem of

(01:35:19):
one of these like type of musicservices, and if it's a good one,
it's going to keep you engaged,and it's going to keep you finding
ship that you're gonna at least beinterested in and give it a shot.
Oh there you go on all theship we talk about technology, we actually
are fucking singing the praises for achange. Yeah, I'm a good two
years in now to uh two plusyears into training my algorithm for my ship.

(01:35:42):
It took it took them minute towash the ex wife out of there.
But yeah, no, now Igot my fucking my YouTube music curated,
curated nicely. I've taught there's stillthings where it comes off. I've
told you never to play this thumbI had to thumbs down something the other
day. Oh it songes until itsleeps. I was like, never play
this ever again. Films down.Uh. It's interesting how fucking access can

(01:36:06):
really ruin some music for you,because, like, I'm sure, don't
you have an extent that that prettymuch made you despise Typo Negative? Yes,
there you go, And I'm like, that's the most random band for
you to hate, Like I knowthere had to be. When she told
me that originally, when I andI think I just mentioned them in passing

(01:36:26):
in some weird ways, She's like, oh wow, that was a pretty
visceral reaction with story behind that.No black number ones for you, No,
no Christian woman, no Jesus Christ, looks like me, kill all
the white people people, Starsuck Coverslove you to death and that even makes
me mad and I love star Set. There you go. That's the power

(01:36:48):
of the of associating a bad memorywith music. Yeah, oh my God,
Journey and Steve Perry made a newsong together. Good God. No.
Looking through my new release mix,there is no God. If there
is no God, he doesn't exist. Like that's like Steve Perry, like
Steve VI. Yes, we getit, you're good dude, But Jesus

(01:37:12):
Christ write a decent song, andboth of them are capable of doing it
from time to time. I thinkSteve I kind of just blunders into a
catchy, little fucking little little riff. He's no Joe Joe Sat. He
could really find a fucking catchy riffif he puts his mind to it,
whereas Steve VI, I think blundershis way into it. He played with
Zappa for too long. He's gottoo quirky of a sense of melody for

(01:37:33):
the mainstream fucking sensibilities. Yeah,I like I like Boogie. That's a
good too. But if you goback and listen to like Steve Vie's first
solo album, Flexible, there's somevery Zappa ask weird ship on there,
and then there's almost a Neil Diamondballad with like a singer doing something.
It's like, damn, is thatNeil Diamond or somebody trying to do Neil
Diamond is all Steve Vye's first soloout, Real Music Nerds Ship Now wow,

(01:37:58):
sorry once again. Meeting Jess,you said that you had you learned
something, you had a thing thatyou wanted to get a natural reaction out
of me and Rich. This totallydoes not fit into the podcast anything we've
talked about this hard Left. It'sjust it's just something I saw and then

(01:38:21):
I had to deep dive it becauseit's a topic we talked about a good
bit. Is it the flag?No, No, I don't even want
to say that anymore after the adsthat I've been getting. Truly, I'm
trying to retrain my algorithm over here. So a FBI agent please scratch that

(01:38:41):
one, wide it out. No, No, it was about the ocean
gate, the submarine. Y'all rememberthe whole search, the whole Titanic ocean
gate search, right like that?That wasn't that long ago that we remember
this really clearly, right, Sothe whole time this was going on,

(01:39:02):
we knew nothing, right, justthat they were searching and that there might
have been some knocking, and thatwas that was all I remember, right,
Yes? So did was it eversaid in anything that we ever read
or that we ever talked about thatthe submersible was in communication with with like

(01:39:29):
the mothership, saying that it wasin distress, and then at the exact
time that they lost contact that thecoast Guard heard a noise that they described
as an underwater implosion. Was thatever said, Yes, it was.
It was said after they said thatthe craft had been lost and they had

(01:39:51):
been lost to whatever implosion, etcetera, et cetera. I brought it
up on the show, but itwas James after they did the oxygen countdown
and after they did the we don'tknow, we don't know, we don't
know, we don't know, andthat was good, like a week after

(01:40:14):
Okay, but okay, you didn'tlet me finish. Now I need to
step on what you're saying, becausenow it's just you're talking at your ass.
James Cameron got on a podcast.It was like in the fucking deep
sea community whatever community like that he'splugged into because he actually makes documentaries about
going down to the Titanic and allthat good shit. He's like, it
was common knowledge that that thing hadimploded days before they admitted it. It's

(01:40:38):
just no one was listening to uswe were talking about it. No one
cared until the news reported that,oh, well, we're sorry it had
been lost, and oh it's crazy, it'd actually been lost a few days
beforehand. That noise that the CoastGuard reported hearing that was actually it imploding.
Sorry, he's yeah. James Cameronwas like, yeah, uh,
everybody knew. I swear to god, I played the fucking clip on the

(01:41:00):
but it was like if not Isent you guys to clip. It was
literally like less than two fucking minutes. Well listen, I followed that one
pretty pretty intensely. I could justnot be remembering that, but I saw
them. I saw I saw afreaking someone I follow talking about it,
and then I went and looked itup, and of course can't find anything.

(01:41:21):
You can never find anything. Theystopped talking about this freaking submersible in
like, I think the latest articleyou could find was July eighth, and
just nothing else has been said aboutit since then. I do know the
Coastguard sat on like they knew thatthey that they had heard the implosion,
but they sat on it until theyconfirmed. And that's what James camer was

(01:41:43):
talking about. Basically, these arepeople who are who deal with this shit
every day, day in, dayout. It's life or death for them.
They know what they're doing, theyknow what they're looking for, and
they know what certain shit sounds like. They knew they were dead. They
couldn't say anything because they couldn't confirmit going to record, because the process
hadn't been followed to confirm it.Do you get what I'm saying? Yes,
So the leaks had come out,the mainstream media wasn't reporting them.

(01:42:08):
Okay, okay, well I hadfor like I like I said, I
heard that, and I was veryI did not remember that anyone else had
said that that. I remember likea blip of something about it from the
Coast Guard of there was a noiseand it could have been something, but
it was just described as non definitive. Well, I will say is once

(01:42:30):
it came out that the thing wasonce the once the soap opera was over.
That was something that came out aftereverybody stopped caring. Was oh yeah,
we knew, just we had toconfirm. But couldn't they say,
like you know, however, itgoes from a rescue to a recovery,
like could we not have done thatthree days beforehand? Instead of having an
oxygen countdown on the major news stations. I mean, I guess, to

(01:42:55):
kind of paraphrase what Rich said,there's a process that was it. That
was the news cash in on that. I had no doubt about that.
There was producers in newsrooms and CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, Online,
fucking news outlets whatever, going,oh god, how can we milk this

(01:43:15):
until we get confirmational way to theother they're dead or alive. I remember
there was talks about ooh, wethought weird a knocking. Yes, this
was days after the initial implosions.Well the implosion, excuse it, the
initial report of we heard a sound, which was the only sound they would
have heard, period, and thefucking story. But also the sound happened

(01:43:36):
at the same time that the thinglost communication. Yeah, like that in
and of itself should be something thatis said under investigations and open investigation.
Welcome to the world of bureaucratic bullshit. Well the other thing too. Yet
you got to think about those people'sfamilies. Oh, well, your family's
dead, Like now they got Ilike, confirm it. I get that.

(01:44:00):
I absolutely understand that. But again, rescue to recovery and hey,
your family might be suffocating, Andhere's exactly how much longer down to the
second they have in oxygen if they'reshallow breathing, enjoy like neither one's more.
Well that one guy's grandkid was like, yo, I meant to blink
when they two reunion cuts. Grandpawould want it this way or whatever the

(01:44:21):
fucker is, stepdad or whatever.It's just like Jesus Christ, So is
this just okay? Is this juststuck in your craw and this is why
you brought up? Or is thereI just saw it today. That was
it. I saw that today,and I did not. I didn't know
that they had been like sending distresssignals. I didn't know they had been

(01:44:44):
in communication and saying like they weretrying to come back up. See No,
I didn't know any of that.That's that they apparently were communicating and
trying to come back up. Thenarrative the whole time was all of a
sudden, they had munication and thenthey didn't, and they heard yes,
and they heard a noise that coincidedwith that. But they weren't willing to

(01:45:06):
go on the record as saying thatuntil they had fucking however much confirmation they
needed to be confident enough to goon the record. So good. It's
the news media was fucking doing thecountdown while they were going through the process
of well, welcome to media,one oh one. If it bleeds,
it leads baby, so es,I guess elaborate on these distress and this

(01:45:29):
whole coming back. Look what's this? So so let me let me tell
you what this is is it isa whole transcript that got leaked and taken
down. Then of course the peoplescreenshot and do what they're going to do,
and they keep leaking in it keepsbeing pulled down. And what Snopes
and other back checker places have beenable to do with this is not call

(01:45:49):
these things faults. They've just calledthem unproved. So that was that was
where I am seeing that they werecoming up with their were saying they were
trying to come back up, orthey were trying to figure out if they
were going to come back up,that they were having problems, and they
were hearing noises like creaking, crackingnoises in the submersible. I want to

(01:46:11):
call it a submarine, but Ialso want to be accurate, so I
can't. I guess I can't saycompletely. But knowing what I know about
the Internet. If you can't,if snops can't call it false then and
they're gonna have to say, well, this is just unproven. Then I'm
going to say that these transcripts wereprobably like actually leaked and we just weren't
supposed to see him again. Butthat's me and you do not have to

(01:46:34):
have the same faith in the Internetthat I have. But as soon as
I can find because I saw thisseriously ten minutes before we started the show,
So once I find something to sendto you, I will because I
want to desperately want to deep divethis now. And if it turns out
to be completely wrong and false andthey end up saying like, no,
this is all wrong, then Iwill come back and say, hey,

(01:46:56):
I was duped in my bad.I mean, it's fair enough. I
you know what you just reminded mewe were talking about that nine to eleven
shit, Like when when we weretalking about the nine to eleven stuff,
which was probably my guess, hmhmm, sometime around the anniversary of nine
eleven. Uh, yeah, apparentlyI had either made assumptions or fallen for

(01:47:19):
something. I don't know how youwant to however, you want to fucking
frame it, uh fallen for somebad info or whatever about the whole Pentagon
missing money thing. And I stillsay, I'm like, I don't really
understand what they're trying to fucking say. They're trying trying to say that they
Oh, no, we just misplacedsome money, but we only misplaced it
on paper, so we didn't reallymisplace it at all. I don't think

(01:47:44):
you said, I don't think youwere wrong about that. They did come
out. I saw the video ofthat. They did come out and say
that they had they were missing somuch money. And I mean, they
could say it's just on paper,but like, where else does it?
Are you going to present to methe actual dollar the billions? What are
you talking about? I can't rememberthe exact details. Now I feel like
an idiot. And it was itwould be fucking what at least almost four

(01:48:09):
months of digging back to the shipin the in the in the chat,
good luck on that. Chris saida link when we were talking about it
why we were recording, and Isaid, I'll look at that link later,
and I did, and I waslike, oh, oh okay,
And basically what it said was allright, the Pentagon was like, oh,

(01:48:29):
hey, yeah, we're trying togo from what was it, analog
record keeping the digital record keeping.We hadn't gotten around to this part blah
blah blah blah blah, and therecord keeping there's there's a there's a gap
in it due to what happened onnine to eleven and that, and it's
like, okay, how is someoneheard that and goes, oh, the

(01:48:50):
Pentagon's missing X amount of fucking moneyAnd it's like, okay, that's yeah,
I guess not in the way thatyou're implying it. You know what
I'm saying, Like, god damnit. And it's like, Chris,
do you get what I'm saying?Yes, okay, then hopefully I'm explaining
to myself all enough for the listenersto understand what I'm saying too. And

(01:49:12):
that's what I took away from anarticle. And I'm like okay. And
it was basically like, yeah,hey, look there were people that jumped
the gun. They were like,they're admitted, well, and really it
was just nothing more than there's ahole in the fucking levels of pureacracy and
bullshit that the government has. Butluckily they were getting ready to change over

(01:49:32):
from an outdated, outmoded way ofrecord keeping to a new one, which
is where it's like, oh,that's convenient, but you're not allowed to
say that. That's like noticing patterns. You're not allowed to You're not allowed
to notice things. Don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for

(01:49:53):
next product. Let me just saythough, I'm on Routers, right,
which is talking about the the writers. What I say, writers right?
Probably yeah, writers, okay,writers, yes. Anyway, they say
that Rumsfeld Rumsfeld did not reveal atwo point three trillion dollar loss, right,

(01:50:16):
and it goes to the whole article, but the verdict is that it's
misleading. Former Secretary of Defense DonaldRumsfeld did not reveal that the Pentacot had
lost two point three trillion the daybefore the September eleventh attacks. The DoD
mentioned this number, which reflects transactionsthat could not be tracked. So like,

(01:50:38):
we didn't say we lost it.We said that there's transactions that couldn't
be tracked. And what that's justword lawyering. You know, I can't
say that to my bank. Yeah, you're not gonna. I can't argue
that. I can't argue that shiplooks fucking suspect. Shit comes off as
whatever, especially when you consider it'sthe US government, shady fucking ass that

(01:50:59):
were where Oh we're supposed to takehere's your word, motherfucker. Your reputation
is rather do do if you will? Okay, So no, but you
better because nine to eleven mom andapple pie in America. So yeah,
no, that it's it's just it'slike you said, that's shady. And
it does say that that announcement wasmade or that number was released whatever,

(01:51:21):
not the day before September eleventh,just earlier in the year late, the
year before I had it pulled upfour seconds ago. They're throwing out a
lot of numbers. But even still, you can't say, like, no,
oh, we didn't say that welost it. We said we just
can't find it. Okay. It'sa difference. Yeah, there's a difference

(01:51:43):
between I lost my car and Ican't find my car in a parking lot.
Well, kind of lost my carmeans I'm calling my insurance company.
Can't find my guard in a parkinglot means I need to start looking for
whatever letter or numbers by where Igo into the mall. If I hang
out till the mall closes and juststart hitting my remote. You know,

(01:52:06):
I kind of think back because atone point I actually work security at a
couple of different malls around Measure Detroit, and I remember there was just like
old people just sitting outside on thebenches, just staring off until like the
distance, and I'm just thinking,Wow, they must have nothing else to
do and or retired whenever. NowI'm kind of wondering, did they forget

(01:52:26):
where they parker? Just like Igotta wait, tell everybody leaves, and
then that's, well, there's mycar. I kind of truly wonder that
now, because maybe I might Imight be that prideful and stubborn if the
first time I fucking forget where Ifucking completely parked my car to where I'm
like, I'm kind of winded becauseI've walked up and down AND's goddamn all
fifteen times and I do not seemy car. Do I call it in

(01:52:50):
and stolen shit? Do I involvethe police? Or am I fucking senile?
Fuck? God damn it. SoI could see some like some like
yeah, some like petty ass pridebeing like, nah, man, I'm

(01:53:10):
just gonna park your fat ass righthere and wait for fucking everybody leaves.
If your car fucking pops up.See Chris is either laughing because he's like,
yeah, I can see myself doingat first time this happens to me,
or he's heard stories about it happeningto someone he knows. No,
I could see myself doing that whenI get older. Okay, I'm gonna

(01:53:31):
just wait. I'll find my car, especially if you're retired. What the
fuck else I got to do?Yeah, if you never walked around hitting
your panic button, just me.Well, yeah, but alcohol may have
been effected. Oh boy. Sotalking to an ex recently and she was
like, so it's about driving.And I was like, oh yeah,

(01:53:56):
blah bla blah blah blah blah mydriving, you know, blah blah blah.
And you know, I was like, I never drunk. She goes,
okay, first of all, becausethere was never you driving if you
were drinking was never an option.And I'm like, what do you mean.
She's like, you would drink enoughto where literally you could probably pass
the field sobriety test, but ifthey got you to blow, they would
throw you under the jail, likethey like, like, there's no chance

(01:54:18):
in hell it was always his richdrinking, get his keys, tell him,
I said, to give him tome, and I just oh,
she said, okay, cool,Now I can really drink. That's how
I looked at it. So Idon't have any of those looking for fucking
the cars that I parked and notremember where they're parked. But I do

(01:54:40):
have brown out to blackout drunk wanderingaround with this this particular acts she can't
remember, and me probably not veryhappy about that and letting her know about
it in a very loud man ohgod. Oh yes. Which, by
the way, this weekend, youknow, I had a good time because

(01:55:01):
Monday, all day I'm like,man, maybe I should quit drinking.
Yeah, it's just it's it's it'sthe day after, especially if I don't
do my hangover management routine. Ohmy god. I did not feel like
a human being until one o'clock onMonday. Yeah, so what what's your

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hangover management routine? Uh? Feelslike SPACEK and care routine liquid IV before
bed. Uh and you chase,you chase, uh, you chase a
couple of time all with that notnearly as extensive as I was anticipating.
And then if you know, ifit was really a tough day. You

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fucking also do another liquid IV inthe morning, and it all leads to
you don't feel like hell, youcould just feel tired. You still want
to go home and just go tosleep, Okay, Like the head feels
fine, and you know I don'twant to you know, I don't want
to vomit, and everything doesn't makeyou nauseous. Like I said, you
don't hate life. You know,you don't want to drive your car into

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the side of the fucking freeway wallon the way to work or anything.
But you're just you're still just tiredall day, Like even those days,
like I'm just like, I don'tfeel like shit, but all I want
to do is just go to sleep. Yeah, but I did not do
that on Monday. Oh god,why didn't Just because I got home.
It was just I don't go tobad bed. No, just sometimes it's

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just like it's bedtime. Man,Taking electrolytes will make all the difference,
will Yes? All right, gotso fucking glad I don't have to worry
about any of that ship anymore.Yeah. Yeah. The fact that I'm
talking about having a routine like that, right, it's it even sounds like
it's a sign. Man. I'mjust saying, dude, when you drink

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so heavy to where there's no routinethat's going to help you. When you
count the time in I'm at workand then I can drink, that's when,
yeah, Rich is like listen here, rook. No, I'm just
saying, that's when you need toThat's when I'm gonna That's when I'm gonna
look at you and be like,I have to make a decision. How
good of a friend I really am? You know what I'm saying. Is

(01:57:14):
it worth fucking possibly pissing you offto tell you the truth? Or fuck
it? Let you fucking float yourliver and let the cards follow they may.
I'm just glad we respect to Sundaythis week, respect to football Day.
No dude, And that was adude. That would be a hell
of a weekend for me in mytwenties seeing Seeing First of all, could

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you imagine us in the in ourtwenties when these bands were around, when
we were in our twenties going andseeing Metallica and PANTHERA oh Jesus well on
a Friday and Sunday that means giving. Oh dude, we did just fucking
we'd either quit our jobs or takingvacation time enough around it to where the

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party would start. What Wednesday whenwe got off work. Yeah right,
yeah, because we'd have Thursday offto get ready. We definitely wouldn't have
worked Friday. I can tell youthat Friday would have been just a party
all day. No. I meanthe minimum you're taking off is you're working,
you're getting out of You're getting outat like three on Friday. Yeah,

(01:58:20):
well that's the latest you can fuckingdo. And it's like, yo,
I will quit. I'll just walkthe fuck out so I can either
make a scene or you gonna letme leave. But I'm not gonna be
here after three. And this isall I just do every other day.
I bend over and I open upmy butt cheeks and I give it to
you. Not today, Satan,So no, no means no. But

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yeah, you got to get outof there about three and then because think
about it, dude, you youain't going back to work on Monday after
three days of partying. Oh thatwas the best part being of being being
the boss. Now is halfway throughSunday, my buddy's like, we're working
from home tomorrow I'm like, fuckingdamn right, we are working from home.

(01:59:04):
Is also like when you're the boss, is like basically you don't have
to If you don't have to leavethe house, that implies you're gonna lay
in bed and do whatever. Yougot a fucking day. Hey, I
I booked two appointments, I wrotetwo contracts I took, I took all
the phone calls. That's like anythingyou need to be wearing pants to do.
I did my job correct. Iwas not wearing pants when I did
any of these. But yeah,no, it was yeah, and holy

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shit, two drinks with a aregular tip at ford Field thirty dollars seriously,
yep, dude, But at leastit was uh, it was at
least a you know, the thered solo cup size cup, and they
were doing the shots where they uh, fill up the shot, but then

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they still were leaving the bottle pourwhile they poured the shot in, so
you're at least getting like hefty shots. And I think, dude, I
went with to the show I wentto I think you said it was like
five bucks for stam Adams October Festand he said he had three that cost
him like definitely twenty Bucks with tip. I think the cheapest drink I saw

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on the menu was twelve fifty andthat was like a beer, some type
of beer. All right, here, just this is how I used to
drink. All right, what you'redescribing is why I would drink like this
when to go to fuck it?Because this was at Ford Field, right,
yes, okay, the only Lionsgame I've been to was at Ford

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Field. And my wife at thetime, she had been to a Lions
game at Ford Field. I hadn't. She had an idea the prices,
and she's like, you can't drinklike you want to drink because we can't
afford it. So you got tofigure something out. I was like,
right the night before about two cases, one in the trunk and the other

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one that Sunday morning when we gotup at six thirty in the morning,
by seven o'clock when we were onthe road and we were coming from about
forty five minutes away. So wewere there and parked by eight and I
sat there and drank a case beforewe walked into fourth Dude, I'm saying
we would have been drinking on theway down there, like we all would
have to call them. We hadroadies or road beers, whichever term we

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used. No, dude, we'dhave done all. Yeah, no,
it would be like that was.That was, and that was me drinking
off of that case. We'd smokepouring out of the fucking car. That
was. That was my wife atthe time. Yeah, that was.
And that's when we found out that, like because we were there, like
I think there was security guards vehiclesthere and we were parked as close to

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ford Field's entrance as you can getwithout being in a handicap spot because we
were there that early, and itwas like, wow, I'm not going
to get out and like actually tailgateuntil I see like there's a lot enough,
there's enough people doing it. Andit took like it took a while,
and there's not much of a tailgatescene in ford Field, not really
more people popping their trunks and havingcoolers with booze and drinking that shit and

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not really a lot a whole lotof cookouts and shit, at least when
I went in two thousand and four. So yeah, yeah, definitely pre
game and I think when we left, remember there's two thousand and fours is
oh my god, it's almost twentyyears ago. That just really hit me.
I need to lie down after theshow. Okay, yeah, the
ex wife was like, I thinkshe's like, we spent one hundred and

(02:02:39):
forty and she had one drink,so do the math about what you think
drinks would cost in there, andlike, but we tipped well because when
I want to drink, I wantto drink. I don't want to have
to wait no twenty minutes for theguy to fucking come back, or I'll
be back. I got another section, no mofucker, here's a five off
of this one drink I just bought. Remember that when I got my hand
up, especially saved my hands upand is empty. The one Lions game

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I went to, the tickets werefree. My friend who went with me
is more of a smoker rather thana drinker. And I still spent two
hundred dollars and I pregained. Ibought like a little I bought like a
one leader of fucking like uh cokeor something like. Doun't like half of
it out and import in like apine a chick. So I tried to

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get I tried to make I triedto make my pregame count. And then
when I was in there, Ionly had a couple, but I'm still
like, but by the end ofthe day, with parking and everything,
they were still like two hundred.I spent two hundred dollars and like I
said, tickets were free and Ipre gained. Okay, these tickets that
we went with free parking ridiculous becausewe parked, like I said, that
close, but we got there early. But then all that guaranteed us was

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an up close parking spot, whichdidn't help us getting out. By the
way, we didn't think that farahead. We were more worried about being
close to the entrance because because Ialmost dropped the name because the X was
like, you know, if Igot a p I want to make sure
that I can get in there andpee real quick and then those doors open.
Like okay, fair enough, butwhen you leave, that doesn't mean

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you're gonna exit very very fast,which is why we had the other case
in the trunk. So when weleft, I was like, hey,
I'll pop the trunk, brought thatcase and put it in the back seat.
She was like, isn't that justlike kind of like because it was
I think it was a December Novembergame, and she was like, in
that kind of warm. I'm like, yeah, but you know what's a
lot warmer? No beer whatsoever?It was, it was, it was

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a problem. One thing save meis that's a relationship that was like,
no hard liquor, because if Idid what you did, I'd have been
you. I'd have been on thenews. You'd have been like, what
inspect with that guy? Because becausewho knows what it would have been for,

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I'm just saying, pick a felony. They were all on the table
pretty much days and I got intolike really bad fist fights at school.
Started off with brown bottle flu startedoff with like, hey, let's drink,
and it was like, yeah,hard liquor and me don't go together.
So I don't drink it all anymoreso I can say all this shit
hardly. But yeah, hard liquorturns me into an asshole and an asshole

(02:05:24):
who wants to fight. Yeah,like I can't drink Jaeger, I turn
into an animal on jaeger is onmy band Soapstance's list. Yes, I
just avoid pretty much. When Iwas drinking, I avoided, like the
last couple of years, all hardliquor. I think I can count on
one hand how many times I drankhard liquor in the last five years.
I was drinking just not a goodidea for me, and going to a

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Lions game. I'm not even aLions fan and they were playing the Cardinals,
and this was the year that EmmettSmith was on the Cardinals, so
that's when this was. So itwas like, I don't give a talk
about nobody here, and fuck ematSmith? Is that on your T shirt?
No, But I'm I'm very gladI wasn't drinking a hard liquor because
yeah, yeah, it would havebeen I don't give a fuck about nobody

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here in the back would have beenand fucking Mismith and fucking and you just
saw me being fucking let off inhandcuffs looking like Randy from fucking South Parking.
I thought, that's a Specs graduateand fifty to fifty on pants still
on, not that you've taken themoff. They could be perhaps around your
ankles. Perhaps we've come off inthe tussle with the law enforcement officials.

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Amazing how easily you can get undressedwhen you're fighting off four guys. Right
clip that you beat me to it. That's a good note to go out
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