Too Rolling Stoned

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Thank you for visiting Christopher media dotnet. Thank you for visiting Christopher media
dot net. Welcome to gen Exhausted. I'm Chris, I'm rich. No

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Jess hanging up her tinfoil for theweek. She's sick. We're sure will
she'll be back soon. She shouldhave got her COVID shots. That way
she could have got it like wegot it right, I mean yeah,
everybody, like vaccinated or not,gets COVID. Now everybody's like, well,
I didn't get it as bad.How do you know? That's my

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new thing is, how do youknow I can say this? I was
I'm a I'm a half blood.I'm a half breed because I only got
the one shot. But the firsttime I got COVID was in what to
April two thousand and one or twentytwenty one, excuse me. And the
second time was earlier this year,three days of laying in bed, going

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this sucks, but it's not likethat bad versus literally gasping for air in
two weeks of being in bed,like going holy shit, maybe I should
be in the hospital. So Ionly had a post shot and so you
have no way, you have nocomparison. I had Yeah, and I
got it like nine months after,ten months after I got my second dose,
and I was sleeping. I wasin bed for five days. I

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always telling people the joke I makebecause I laid up answered, I sit
up answer email and be like,oh my god, I gotta lay back
down like that kind of shit wouldtire me up. Yeah, I don't
know. I I also had alot of health changes for the better,
I guess in the two years betweenmy bouts with COVID. So that might
have also fucking helped, you knowwhat I'm saying. Yeah, drop a

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lot of weight, stop smoking,stop drinking. Yeah, it probably doesn't
kick your asses bad. So onceagain, it's just my personal experience,
my little half vaccination. Yeah itdidn't. I wasn't down for two weeks
well close, I think total whenI when I looked, I think it
was thirteen days. The first timeI got COVID. It put me in
my ass. By the way,Jess does not have COVID. I was

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just being a smart ass. Wedon't know Jess has COVID. It's true.
Oh that's also true. As ofus recording this, Jess has not
indicated that she has the virus.Well not only that, but does it
might even get tested really anymore?Pretty much like it if you lose your
seventy five bucks a pop, that'sit. There's that, yep, And

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I mean there's the telltale signs ifyou lose your sense of smell. How
often that happened before COVID? Howmany times have you ever been sick where
you lost your sense of smell forweeks or months on it? I don't
think it's ever happened to me.See what that did not happen? It
was just regular like when I geta cold, like everything came back.
It doesn't seem duller like, it'sstill smell and taste everything. Well,

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it sucks because it goes like forme, it was wait a minute,
I just opened a bag of garlic. This should be like I should smell
that, this is right under mynose. And then then I was like,
okay, let me do my doubleduty and make sure I went upstairs
and got the stickiest of the ickyopened up. The fucking shit was like,
I don't smell any of that.I've lost my senses. It was

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like overnight, man, And thenit took like two months for it to
come all the way back and itwas so gradual. It was only like
once every couple of weeks I'd noticedlike, oh I can smell like cut
grass again. Wow, I'm gettingit back. Yeah, yeah, there
you go. Anyways, So whatdo we want to start with? Right?
There's all that stuff in the MiddleEast, and I guess we can
get back to that next week.It's not going anywhere. Is there anything

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new to add? A yes?And no? Well, I mean here's
okay. I guess new to addwould be like, is anybody doing anything
anything that besides what we expect themto do? You know what I'm saying.
Biden went over there? Think he'sover there? Now? Is that
the Democrats just pray and then hegets taken out so they can be like

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okay, Harris, okay, now, who do we really want to run
the fucking country now? Right?Well, there was a whole thing with
there. Hamas said, the Israeliarmy hit a hospital and then it turns
out it wasn't a hospital, it'sa parking lot. And it turns out
it wasn't the Israeli army. Itwas like a stray rocket from Hamas and
they were trying to like pr Itis like Oh the good. It's real,

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Like we could easily probably do anhour on all of that minutia of
that stuff. But why it's notgoing anywhere? I said, it'll be
there, be here next week.The only the only new things that I
can think of that I've heard arethings that I'm like, I'm not even
sure if this is a legit shitor if this is the type of nonsense

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you just hear people make up aftersomething like this happens, and it's just
like, I don't know whatever.Once again, I don't care a dog
in this fight. But for me, man, you have a really deep
monologue on SNL to remind us onceagain that his dad got killed nine eleven.
Okay, I guess. I guessthat gets you in the door.
And he's got to have a fuckinghumongous hog, so that gets him invited

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back. So good for him,I guess. I mean, like,
really, he's a Jew Dale's killedwith terarist attack. I mean really,
so he gets to be the guythat goes on and hey, everybody,
I will say, you know,here's what we can talk about the press
on this. Wow, like justhow many sympathizers there seem to be with

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terrorists, Like, think what youwant of Israel, of the Israeli state
and all that. That's a wholenother conversation. But like, currently a
lot of people are okay with aterrorist organization just roaming through the streets pulling
people out of their homes because they'renot colonists, dude, because it's not
white males and Jews are white asfar as these people are concerned, until

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they need them to not be whiteso they can use them in their oppression
Olympics and put them in their properfucking place in the totem Pole. Shit
different fucking too. I mean,it's like, Okay, here's the deal.
I'm cool with it. Furries forfucking Hamas. Go over there and
tell them you're a furry. Tellthem you like the fuck man up their
ass. Yeah, tell them that. You know what, how about this,
I'll fly you Spirit Airlines over therecheap aka the cheapest way I'll fly.

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We will send you over there.We will fucking start a GoFundMe.
I wonder if all of these sympathizersknow anything about the history of over there,
and we're going to wait, it'sonly gonna be a one way ticket.
You ain't coming back once you goover and explain what first of all,
what what a furry is. Andthat's if you can get anything out
your mouth before they fucking go Okay, take him up and throw him off

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that fucking building. What the fuckis this thing? This dude's coming off
a plane with bunny ears and afucking and in his hand. What's happening
and a fucking yeah, a buttplug with a fucking tail hanging out the
end of it. Talking about Ihate the colonizers. They're like, we
hate you, motherfucker. You're justas bad as em in our opinion.

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They they've all been in that samepart of that of the world the whole
time, in various different states.And after World War Two, when you
know, half, when half ofthe world had to stop the other half
of the world from killing a bunchof Jews, we had to go,
hey, sorry about that. Here'sa Jewish state, And like, did

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you watch that video I sent thatDennis Prager video. I mean he explains
it in like five minutes that whatthat whole conflict is about, and I
mean everything in that video, it'slike, well, not everything, but
like the part about giving up landfor peace, et cetera, et cetera.
And it's like, yeah, hedoes have a good point. Okay,
Well, what happens if Israel laysdown their arms and refuses to defend

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themselves or fight however you want toframe it. What happens the next day?
Israel cost part two? Israel bewiped off the mat. Yeah,
if a mass lays their fucking weaponsdown, what happened, it's reel.
We'll still be there, that's allthey want to do. They'll be peace.
And it's like, but you can'tsee. This is where I'm starting

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to hear shit where I'm like,I don't know if this is real or
I don't know if this is stupidwhite people trying to fucking talk about some
shit they don't understand. And it'sjust instead of hearing it at the party
staring at the gas station like weused to when we were kids, I
just hear it online now. Butyou know, it's like, oh,
well mas to them. If theykill you during a Jehad in their religion,
you go to heaven. So evenif they're killing you, they're sending

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you to heaven because you're dying duringa jehad. Even mean that means they're
doing you a favor because if youwere to die of a heart attack,
you would go to fucking hell orwhatever the fuck they believe in. And
I'm like, this sounds like somehorse shit. Hey, you know what,
on December twenty fourth, if youleave out some milk and cookies,
some fat guy's gonna leave some presentsfor your kids. Well, I mean,

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there is that I mean, Andthat's why I'm like, ultimately,
Iota spring a giant bunny rabbit's gonnabring chocolate eggs in the night. Ultimately,
after the prey, the Israel situation, whatever it was called, explaining
in five minutes to pray you video, Ultimately after that, I'm just like,
I don't know. Yeah, it'sjust so stupid, this whole fucking

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I'm just going, it's all overfucking sky Daddy's And why should I care?
Let these people if they want to, they're dragging everybody else into their
bullshit. That is their fucking sin. You want to kill each other over
who you fucking pray to and thispatch of land that your God told you
you have to live on? Man, what do you want me to do?

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Do you not know where I grewup. Do you not know what
I was told? Shut your fuckingmouth unless it involves you, shut the
fuck up. Why are you talkingto the cops? So why would I
support shit doesn't involve me kill eachother. But that's not how it is.
Everybody's gotta get drug in, everybody'sgotta have Fuck all this shit.
So many articles this week, Oh, the US needs to be careful and

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or in the Israel needs to becareful and how they respond. I say,
for Israel, no you don't.You were marching through our streets taking
our citizens. Fuck you. We'regonna respond how the fuck we want.
I mean, at a certain point, I'm just like, Okay, here's
the deal. What if that wasNew York City? Would we be would
be hey, you gotta be carefuland how you respond? Nope, we

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would not be. We would notbe careful on how we respond. We
would shut that ship down immediately.That's what This is what everybody wants.
So dude, this is this iswhere, this is where it comes down
to. There's no fucking hope.There's this is take the black pill and
just accept that this is human nature. If there wasn't, we these people
literally they have so much more incommon than they have different just by the

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virtue of where they come from,sharing the fucking saint being coming from the
same region of the fucking planet,et cetera, et cetera. But what
God we pray to, that's what'sgonna make every That's what is gonna make
us fucking hate each other and killeach other. God by the way nobody
can prove exist. But people havebeen killing each other over this nonsense.
And if it wasn't God, dude, if we were all somehow just magically

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atheist, it would be Android usersversus iPhone users, it would be Pat
Mac versus PC. It would bea non theologic society doing it. It
would be our very own one herein the United States. There you go.
God is I'd say, uh,God is no longer part of the
fabric of the society that it waswhen you and I grew up, Like,

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it's definitely more a secular society now. And there's all kinds of statistics
that prove it, you know,tenants of churches down and all that.
Absolutely and were. But we're stilldoing it. We're doing it with something
else. We're doing it with fuckingideologies, which are the same fucking same
things with a different name. Meetthe new Boss, same as the old
Boss. See those boomers were goodfor a quote or two every once in

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a while. Yeah, speaking ofboomers, it's the fun shit. It's
the thing that you and I canprobably talk three hours about. If you're
not into music, this is notthis, this is not the episode for
you. We'll see you next week. But it's interesting you say, meet
the new boss team as the oldboss. That's the who Pete Townsend.
Rolling Stone has updated they're two hundredand fifty best guitarists of all time.

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Let's just get you've read it,but a lot of things aren't in your
brain, so we get natural reactionout of you. Let's we'll go with
the top ten first to meat potatoesplus the listener to You can know the
good stuff right away. I mean, one's got it. It's Hendricks ding
ding ding ding ding. And here'sthe thing. Don't I don't even,

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I don't even. Hendricks was numberone twenty years ago when Rolling Stone did
their Top five hundred guitar players ever, and I never questioned whether or not
they truly believe Hendricks was Like asfar as influence, there was a time
before Hendricks, there was a timeafter Hendricks. Yes, I truly believe
that there were people making those werevoting Hendrix number one who understood that now.

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I think it's because he checked certainfucking boxes. Yep. I mean
there's already, dude, there's beena big push for a long time,
but it's really ramped up in thelast five ten years to like, oh,
Jimmy Hendrix was paan sexual, JimmyHENDRICKX was bisexual, Jimmy Hendricks was
gay. Hearing, Yeah, andit's like, you mean, the people

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that were just smashed out of theirmind, fucking any hole that would sit
still long enough for them to insertsomething in did some fucking crazy shit.
Doesn't meet that they were gay whatever. They were fucking high out their goddamn
minds. And it was the sixties. Fuck off with that. But yeah,
so Jimmy number one, I cantell you overall, like the top
five, I genuinely agree with Fish, the rest of the top ten starts

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getting off the rails. And thenyeah, after the top ten, like
like I said, we can talkfor nine hours, all right, So
number one, Jimmy number two,oh god damn it, they gotta do
it like this. That's another reasonI'm thats why I don't look at these
lists anymore. This is getting firstof all, this is getting a second

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of my fucking brain power only becauseof this podcast. Because that's how look,
how inconvenient they make it to makeyou fucking look at their list.
Fuck you cocksucker, Yes, youain't gonna do that to me. I
got better shit to do with mytime, like masturbate with a cheese greater.
I don't know who the fuck thesefucking cocksuckers who design this shit think
they are. Oh, people willsit through it, really, I don't.

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I know a lot of other motherfuckersin a minute, they see that
bullshit, next page, next slide, bullshit done done well, number two.
You can smell my fart, ChuckBerry. I mean I figured that
was coming. You got it.As far as influence, I'd say he

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could warrant number two out of theout of all you like, Okay,
let's let's look at it this way. Out of all of the first wave
original og fucking rock and rollers,there's not a better guitar player or well
better known guitar player than him toput up there from that time period,

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Eddie Cochran doesn't have the fucking longevityand the hits Summertime Blues and what you
know, a thirteenth stairway staircase rockor whatever the fuck you, whatever the
fuck it was, Like, that'snot going to get you into the fucking
rock and roll Hall of Fame onits own. And I'm trying to think
like anybody else like that you canthink of from back in the day,

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were sidemen like Scotty Moore. Guitarplayers know who Scotty Moore is. He
was fucking Elvis's original guitar player.The average fucking joe, I don't know
what to fuck Scotty Moore is,but they've all heard his fucking guitar playing,
yes, and they those licks uhnumber three, mister Jimmy Page.
That's I'm kind of shocked because Pagetakes a lot of hits in the fucking

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SJW fucking camp because he fucked fourteenfourteen year old and all that. But
then he but then they like himbecause he's into like fucking Alistair Crowley and
shit, So who the fuck knowsis a person of color? He is
turning Asian as he gets older.I don't know, if you've seen pictures
of him lately, he looks likean old Asian man. Now it's funny
how some fucking white people do turnlike like, I think Elon Musk is

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turning uh Asian as he gets older. Like if I if somehow I could
fucking afford a blood boy so Icould live long enough to see Elon Musk
get old, he's gonna look likehe's gonna look like the old Asian dude
from Big Trouble, Little China,the dude from fucking Oh. He was
also in uh near By Gremlin.Yeah, well fuck. He was also
in The Golden Child. If hewants to knife, let him ask for

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it. That guy, Uh,they're they're given a nod to his Well,
obviously we knew this. Uh issession work too. It's not just
his led Zeppelin stuff, it's hewas like the go to like session player
in the late sixties. And that'sfair number four, mister Edward van Halen.

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I mean that's fair. Yes,I mean again, I mean just
think about he's one of those guysthat change guitar playing people ran out to
guitar like. It's insane to thinkthere's only eight years between Hendrix and van
Halen, right, and there's Iwould who's the who who were the next
people who innovated on a guitar orwho is the next guitar innovator after Van

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Halen? I know who I havein mind, and the old folk,
the old heads, people I considerold heads hate me every time I bring
this name up. Innovator does somethingthat people hadn't really heard before with a
guitar. I'm going with like thetwo Johnny's mar and Greenwood and then uh

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maybe Jack White. I just missingsomething. Tom Morello, Yep, yep,
wow, I feel like a big, big dummy. Everybody, everybody
you're naming. It was already workingin a style that the blueprint had been
laid for, the groundwork had beenlaid for. Tom Morello showed up and

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was like he could shred. Goback and listen to that first Rage album.
There's some shredding on there, butgo listen to some of the fucking
solos he took and uh uh ohshit, audio Slave. I mean he
can motherfucker can play. But hewas like, nope, I listened to
Public Enemy and I want to fuckingchannel what Public Enemy would do. And

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Public Enemy would have a breakdown withthe fucking with a scratch with a record
scratching right here, the DJ wouldtake his break, So I'm gonna make
my guitar sound like a DJ takinga break. Nobody had done that before
the Digitach WAMMI pedal him and fuckinghim and U dime Bag Daryl. Those
were the first two that came outalmost exact same time using the ship.
They own that pedal, like howHendrix owned the WAH when he came when

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he came out, was like,Oh, this now belongs to you for
all time. That's how those guysare with the Digitech whammy. Trust me,
I had, I had my lastpedal I had. I still got
it somewhere in the house. It'spretty cool. It was a a Digitech.
Uh. I still I couldn't usethe WAH. I couldn't do it.

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I had to. I had to. I had to. I forget
the term uh put a wa inline with it. Dun lapoi No,
But still I was. I wasfucking around with that kind of stuff.
But still like Tom Morello was themaster of it, and Dimebag was in
a whole other league because he alsohad that floating Tremolo, so he would

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fuck what what is that sea sickrift that he fucking had it like dar
and and then I'm trying, oh, it's in. It's it's either off.
I don't think it's off vulgar displaysthat means he's got to be far
beyond driven. It's such a it'slike it has such a C sixth way
to it. Maybe that's not theone. No, I'm thinking of becoming
is one with the Wammi pedal,you know, doing Okay, that's it's

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not that there is a song that'ssure. He's on the list anyways,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, Dimebag,
Like I said, Dimebag and TomMorello. Dimebag was like the first
guy in metal I remember really usingit, and Tom Morello I didn't even
no one in the metal community wantedto claim rage against the Machine. In

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nineteen ninety two when they came out, I was fucking like, have you
guys heard this? And they're like, it rocks except for that fucking idiot
rapping over it, and I'm going, you're just old dude. I remember
being fourteen years old hearing Rage againstthe Machine, going holy fuck, what
the what the fuck is going on? What is this sound that this guy's
making with guitars? Like it blewmy mind? And fucking that that rhythm

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section gets no love as far asthey rock rhythm section, I mean,
I think my favorite rhythm section untilI die is going to be Flee in
uh Chad. I mean they canplay any style if okay, hold up,
hold up, hold on, realreal guitar nerdship. Okay, but
a real guitar nerds ship between us, okay, living Flee and Chad Smith?

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Is your is your? Is your? Is your? Is your rhythm
section? If anybody dead or alive, oh see dead rhythm section? And
you can and this could be forjust you, so it's a three piece
or it could be you and anotherguitar player or you you know, drummer,
bass player and a and a keysplayer. You know if you That's
what I'm saying, like, putit together, put it together a rhythm

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section. I mean living well livingYou just kind of named it Flee and
Chad Smith from Chili Pepper Well puttogether like man, this is like I
mean, names that come to mindfor drummers or like Dennis Chambers, Carter
Beauford, like like I feel thego to John Bonham. John Bonham was

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a force in nature that who knowshow he would have sounded in another band
that was not Led Zeppelin. AndI think John Bottom. If you want
John Bonham as a rhythm section,you have to take John Paul Jones with
him. That's those those two comeas a package deal. But that is
a value pick because John Paul Jonescan cover a lot of territory on fucking

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He's not just a base playing styleof music. Are were playing because rock?
I mean, like Keith Moon comesto mind. That's what I'm saying.
You gotta find the rhythm. Therhythm section is either you're gonna lean
into one style of music or youwant a revers the rhythm section. Something
here is you got to bring thethe base like because if you're bringing Moon,
you gotta bring in twistle. Yeah. Like so I mean see,
I don't think this is gonna sound. I think Keith Moon is much more

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a product of his band than JohnPaul Jones, or excuse me, then
than John Bottom, then Ship billWard, I could keep going. I
think Keith Moon out of the whowould not work with most with most bands,
I think I don't think Keith Moonwas that technically great of a drummer.
He was just a maniac behind adrum kit and it just worked.
He's not Mitch Mitchell. Mitch Mitchellknew what the fuck he was doing.

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Keith Moon, I think was kindof like, yeah, I hope this
sounds good. Come on, dude, you've watched it. You've watched them,
You've watched the drummer who's a fielddrummer and can't tell you anything about
music theory, and they can playtheir ass off, but it's like they
have a style. But then twoand then but then there's like from back
in the day, there's Stuart Copelandand you gotta bring sting with him,

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like I'm talking police days, andthey feel like if you take Ginger Baker,
who you taking as a bass player, you're taking uh Dave Mason from
Traffic or you taking Jack Bruce.Come on, man, cream rhythm section
versus Traffic rhythm section. Come on, it's two different styles of music.
Anyway. Number four was Eddie likesthese are I think we got into conversations

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we could have got into later.Number five, I've Jeff Beck that's recency
biased. I feel that maybe,but my guitar teacher worshiped at the altar
of Jeff Beck. Jeff Beck's oneof those people that if he only and
they tried in the eighties by teambecause I mean, he came up with

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Rod Stewart. They you know,they both chewed out of the same dirt
musically, and they tried to teamhim up with Rod Stewart, and he
was supposed to I think he was. They were wanting him to be like
how Billy Idol had Steve Stevens,Rod Stewart had Jeff Beck. But it's
Jeff Beck. And Jeff Beck's like, I'm not going to just play on
Rod Stewart fucking torch ballads every guy, Damn, that's it. He's like,

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I'm gonna go fucking make an albumwith Herbie Hancock. Fuck off,
you know, because that was JeffBeck. But Jeff Beck is one of
those guitar players that is, Iswear to people can imitate him. But
I've never heard anyone sound in hisnatural playing in the Jeff Back style as
Jeff Beck. And I know thatsounds stupid to say, but if you're

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a musician, you know what I'mtalking about. You know how people say,
like, oh, he's a comedianscomedian, Jeff Beck is a guitar
player's guitar player, like absolutely,all right, So now here's where shit
starts getting crazy. Like the topfive sounds like all right in twenty twenty
three, I can go with this, all right. Number six. I
studied music in college. I tookmany classes on jazz. I took classes

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on American music. I don't knowwho the fuck sister Rosetta Tharp is,
do you? Yes? Okay,I know who she is because one,
there was a push starting about adecade ago to really get her name out
there because she was around rubbing elbowswith the people who were proto rock and

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roll, you know what I'm saying. Like she was around the same time
as like Big Mama Thornton who recordedhound Dog first and what nineteen fifty two,
So she's coming from like that era, maybe even more of the because
sister, I think it was.I think it was more that might have
been. It might be a whatwe call a ret con. They might
have retconned the sister part because Ithink she was coming from more the blues

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side of rock and roll, butthe blues in the gospel side of rock
and roll at that point were kindof all in her, mixed up so
much that that's how I know.That's how I knew about her. Now
all of a sudden, she's like, she's the queen of rock and roll.
She's just as important as Little Richard, She's just as important as Elvis.
She's just as And I'm like,no, she's not. Here's why

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I think she's number six. Directall of your hate at me, not
rich because here is the first lineof her blurb a sex or as a
sexually fluid black woman who propelled gospelmusic into the mainstream. Sister rose Ata
Tharpe smashed many a number of taboos. That's and dude, and this is

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why. It's like, this iswhat I know about this list. This
list is a joke. It's whatIt goes back to what I said twenty
years ago I went in to questionwhy Hendricks was at number one. I'd
have been like, they know,because they know now it's because he checks
fucking boxes, because Electric lady,exactly. And if they haven't heard Electric
later and they've heard, they've heardband of Gypsies and they understand it,

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that is like that is primordial,primitive, and for him to have delivered
that performance with the equipment and thelimitations, he had go lose to the
machine Gun. There is a videoof machine Gun, the take that's on
the fucking album from Band of Gypsies. It's the whole video. They've colorized
it if that's your thing, butthe video has been out for a long

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time. Bootlegs of it at least. But if you can find the video,
it's just him sitting there just layingout some of the most devastating guitar
and I'd argue the best all aroundguitar solo ever. But anyways, No.
Number seven I respect as a producer, a songwriter, Prince and I

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know he can play the fuck outof a guitar. But number seven,
Nile Rogers. What that's like?That's what I guitar player maybe musician?
Yeah, all around like he is. See, this is this is where
Okay, here's the other thing.Let's just let's we should have said this
at the top of this this thislist, this list isn't legit. This

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is just a group. This isa group of people who work at Rolling
Stone getting together and going what canwe agree on and throw all these people
out and you know damn well thatLike I said, it's this person checks
this checkbox, this person checks thischeckbox, it's the seventh guitarist. Ever
we need to we need to liftup someone like Nile Rodgers because of because

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he's been ignored in his spot inmusic history, blah blah blah. And
once again, I'm like, who'signoring him? Here's it to white musicians
never fucking have been in the sameroom as Nile Rodgers. Know who the
fuck he is. And by theway him being put he's done, and
and and and him being put atnumber seven, that's not on him.
See, that's that's That's what piscesme off, is that they expect people

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they go Well, if you disagreewith that, that you're attacking Nile Rogers.
No, I'm disagreeing with Hoopever puthim at number seven. Now,
if it's the top five hundred guitarplayers, does he deserve a place in
there? I don't know. I'venever really heard Nile Rodgers go off.
I'd say Steve Winwood deserves a placein the top five hundred guitar players.
Have you ever heard Steve Winwood gooff on the guitar motherfucker can give Clapton

(29:30):
a run for his money. AndSteve Winwood is not known as fucking a
guitar player. Is there? They'reciting this, This is the work they're
sighting for now, Rogers, Imean, get it. I studied jazz,
I studied rhythm. I played lotsof funk. I played lots of
I played in a lot of pitbands. I respect trust me now,

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Rogers. I tried to imitate alot of his stuff, and I was
doing card work. But number seven, everybody, Yeah, So by the
way, every everybody, everybody wename after this is better or is worse

(30:14):
than Nile Rogers. See that's whyI'm saying this isn't a legit list.
What musician was sitting down and go, oh yeah, I agree with this.
So at number eight, BB Kingis worse than I Rogers. Number
nine, Okay, here you go, dude, I can't even tell you
this with a straight face. JonyMitchell is number nine. Okay, hold
on, I'm trying to think here, like I would take if we're gonna

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go with a woman from the folkcommunity who's actually a beast on the guitar
and has a style I'll take AndyDeFranco at number nine over fucking Jim Joni
Mitchell and for play your guitar.That's what I'm saying. Like she's the
annoying bitch that I avoided at partiesuntil once she stopped playing. I was
like, okay, now I canwalk away until I hear her play again.

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She was that bitch at parties,but any the Franco could play her
ass off, right, So theygo, there's the new bar. Everybody
after number nine is worse than JoniMitchell. Dwayne Almond is worse than Sure
that said I told you like afterit's in the top five. All right,

(31:19):
rest of the top ten? What'shappening? And now here we go?
Here we go off into crazy.I'm a blues guy. I come
from blues and R and B.I would not put Dwayne Almond in the
top ten of a legitimate list.I wouldn't even know new No, go
ahead, all right, who elseare we going to? Number eleven?
Carlos Santana top fifty? Maybe likeSantana Santana is the Sylvester Stallone of guitar.

(31:44):
You know what you get every timewe fuck you will see a movie
still Invester stallone movie. You knowwhat you're gonna get every time you put
on a Santana album. Thought ofit that way, but that it's true.
Yeah, it's number twelve. JimmyNolan. He was James Brown's guitarist.
I mean we're talking funk guitar players. Eddie Hazel. I mean he
would be up there before fucking JamesBrown had way more than one guitar player

(32:08):
too. James Brown ran through musiciansat one point, fired and like rehired
and that type of shit. Sohow much did he really play with him?
You know what I'm saying? Oris this are they cherry picking for
some reason? Was he bisexual?Was he down low gay or something?
Well, he played with James Brown, dude, Let's be honest. I

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don't think many people that were playingwith James Brown back in the sixties would
have been white. Maybe some hornsection, maybe they came from New Orleans
or something. They had some fuckinghad some flavor to them. Nope,
doesn't say anything about Okay, well, it's just sexual, all right.
Number thirteen. I like this guy. I think he's had a huge influence

(32:52):
on a certain genre of music.He probably invented a certain genre of music.
I don't think he should be thishigh. Tony Iomi at thirteen,
No, not thirteen once again,top fifty, I think you should be
like in the twenties, maybe definitely, like I stal, definitely top fifty.
I could probably if we're if we'reskewing it towards a heavier list,

(33:16):
I could put him in the toptwenty five. Otherwise he'd probably be between
like thirty and fifty for me.But you can here's the thing, or
are we because once again, ifthis list was guitar players who've had the
most influence, I mean Tony Aomy'sinfluence is pro He's got his fingerprints in
almost every bit of metal. Ifthis is influenced, then he's a top
tenor exactly. That's what I'm saying. So I mean, like, but

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that's not the only criteria here.In their criteria is very muddy because it's
rolling stone, and it's like itseems like, oh, well, this
person did this, this person didthis. Okay, but the list is
called the two hundred and fifty greatestguitar players of all greatest. Okay,
so twenty years ago they could comeup with five hundred, they can't come
up with another two point fifty twentyyears later. That shows you just how

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that shows you the music knowledge ofpeople working at Rolling Stone and how downhill
it's went in the last twenty years. Number fourteen on I can live with
where this person is on the list. Prince, Prince should be higher,
Prince should be in the I mean, if you want to, if you're
gonna put Nile Rodgers at number whatseven, Yeah, maybe swap Prince and
Nile Rogers. He was my guestwhen you started talking about he's producer,

(34:21):
blah blah, I'm like, it'sgotta be Prince, and he said Nile
Rodgers and I would have had noproblem with printing the top ten. That's
what I'm saying. Like what theywere saying, how what you were reading
about Nile Rogers, I was like, that sounds like you're talking about Prince.
You sure that there's just not somereally racist progressives. They can't tell
the difference between Nile Rogers and Prince, right that work at Rolling so it

(34:42):
well, they're both black. Weboth got it along hair at various times.
Well, Prince is more of ablowout kind of guy. Rogers gets
the Braids fifteen. Keith Richards,I'm sorry, I've I've met songwriter,
sure guitar player. Dude, hecouldn't even tune his guitar and half of
their fo fucking best songs. I'msorry. If you can't hear, this
is how you know, I guessif you've got decent pitch or not.

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If you don't hear, how outof tune Keith Richard is I'm let It
Bleed. Holy shit, I don'tknow what to tell you at the beginning
of Tumbling Dice. I mean,I'm just saying that whole album Let It
Bleed is my favorite Rolling Stone album. I mean, it became my favorite
when I was a little kid.Now it's kind of like almost everything except
for like Country Talk version of Honkytalk Man has played out from that album.
But but I mean, like,even as a kid, I was

(35:30):
like, does someone does anyone elsehere that's not right? And they're like
no, And I'm like, Okay, my whole family's a bunch of tone
deaf fucking people, But no,I don't. Okay, Let's be honest.
Have you ever seen Keith Richards doanything with a guitar that makes you
think he's one of the two hundredand fifty greatest guitar players ever been recorded

(35:52):
and release an album. Let's notsay walk the Earth because I can probably
name you ten people who would blowmost everybody. Now, are we talking
about influence, because no, no, he's not. No, technically he
is nothing spectacular. That's what I'msaying. Influence. His talent lies and
like I said, probably writing hookssongs. Yeah, I would imagine arranging.

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I mean, as long as he'sbeen in the stones, he's gonna
have the hang than that. Right, Number sixteen a guy that I think
is far too low. Hey,thanks for rock and roll Robert Johnson,
which is weird. Yeah, ifthey're gonna put if they're gonna put Rosetta
Tharp up there, they should haveput Robert Johnson up there. You want
to talk about someone who actually didchange how people played the guitar. This

(36:37):
is Some of this was marketing,I'll admit it, but this is this
is how nuts. Robert Johnson's guitarplaying was was recorded mostly in what the
twenties, right, because I thinkhe was well. He was the first
member of the twenty seven, nineteenthirty six, nineteen thirty seven, thirty
six, thirty seven, okay,so he died at twenty seven. For

(36:57):
some reason, I was thinking,okay, he died and eight thirty eight.
Okay. So he recorded over varioussessions in two years, pretty much
his entire catalog of music. Fiftyyears later, this guitar player who blues
guys knew about some folks people knewabout Shredders were fucking sitting around with the

(37:17):
box set, fucking learning this shit, giving each other fucking lessons at the
local guitar store, and I shitchow zero because I watched it happen.
I watched the dude from Seduce sitthere and try to fucking do some Robert
Johnson fingerpicking shit, and I waslike, what you know what I'm saying,
Like you got to understand, likethese were makeup, pointy guitar,
pink guitar, and they were like, we really dig Robert Johnson. And

(37:37):
I'm going, how the fuck didthat happen? That makes it? I
know who Robert Johnson is, butI come from blues and R and B.
That makes sense. That makes nosense to me, but it happens.
So I mean, like, ifyou want to talk influence Robert Johnson
had no business being influential to anybodyin the late eighties is on the guitar.
There's nothing that was happening on aguitar that was even remotely close to

(37:59):
Robert Johnson, yet he was sothere you go for the for the for
the non musician. That's who RobertJohnson was. Seventeen. Mother Mabel Carter.
Okay, I'm reading or blurb,but sounds like she invented chicken picking
allegedly. Wait what, it's anotherwoman on the list. I think Lonnie
Mack would have something to say aboutthat, but whatever, Sure, no

(38:20):
one knows who Lonnie Mack is hardlyanymore. The Carter scratch is what she
oh you mean what uh? WithJohnny Cash? Pretty much fucking like I
walked the line that that type ofpercussive that I mean if she come up
with that, okay, I meanup with string raking, I mean like
if she incorporated and it was thefirst like person to incorporate it in popular

(38:43):
music. Because finger I'm sorry,finger tapping Eddie van Hale did not invent,
folks, Jeff Beck, there's there'sthere's a fucking video or or when
I say video. I mean,like an old eight or sixteen millimeters or
whatever the fuck they had back inthe day of Jeff Beck tapping on his
fucking guitar before Eddievan Halen even releasedan out. So this is because of
mother Mabel Carter right here. Yes, yeah, asshole, if you know,

(39:07):
if you take it that way,yeah, no, you know what
I'm talking about. Why don't youplay, audience, I'm trying to give
the audience play walk the line andI'll point it out to you. I
know what you know, I know, but the audience might not. Oh
wait, that's more of this.This is that bass player that's picking and

(39:30):
slapping that that's all that is,folks, is just resting your fingers on
the strings without fretting any notes.You're turning it into a percussive instrument.
And then you better have a goodfucking strumming hand as far as your strum
pattern and your sucking, uh,your rhythm, because if not, you're

(39:50):
gonna it's just gonna sound like nothing. But if you if you can hold
a rhythm with your strumming hand,there you go. It's a guitar technique.
You knew you now know something thatyou didn't before you listen to this
podcast. What he's saying is youshould beat off hand kids. Hey man,
I remember reading in nineteen ninety oneabout the recording. Did I miss

(40:12):
this part of Guitar about the recordingof Blood Sugar Sex Magic? And they
asked John for Chante what he didas far as his guitar routine. And
this was guitar for the practicing musician, so this was the Booze Guitar magazine,
and he said, sat around andjerked off. It's really helped with
my strumming hand. And if yougo listen to that album, if he
was being serious, I believe itis it for Blood Sugar Sex Magic.

(40:35):
Yeah, he was on lock,so he must have been jerking off all
the time. Man. Shit.Ye. By the way, if he's
not in the top two fifty ofa Rolling Stone list, they can kiss
my entire man sized ass. Imean, I think you can make an
argument he's one of the last quoteunquote guitar heroes that's around outside of niche

(41:00):
genre music or extreme music or likeextreme metal and prague and shit like that.
Because I'm sorry, who the fuckis listening to animals as leaders?
Go ahead? Raise your hand.Chirp, chirp. Thank you. That's
what I thought might be in mysuper mix. Yeah I'm not saying okay,
but but do you know what I'msaying, Like, dude, come

(41:20):
on like explosions in the sky.I like that shit too. That's not
fucking that's yeah, your mommy buyingthat on iTunes? Okay or whatever the
fuck? Thank you for visiting Christophermedia dot net. Thank you for visiting
Christopher media dot There you go.Finally at eighteen he shows up. You

(41:52):
agree with eighteen. I'll get themthe top twenty. Ah, I don't
know. I could put I couldease it. Yeah, target he usually
put him in the top ten.To me, it's like, this is
how you measure. If we're talkingtop ten, where was guitar before this
and where was guitar after this player? And if you can draw a line
of demarcation before and after, thenthey belong in the top ten period.

(42:14):
Fair enough you can with him.He is the nineties guitar hero. Because
who else you got? You gotKenny Wayne Shephard, who made a little
bit of noise. Fucking John Mayerwas a two thousands guy. His first
albu come out in two thousands,the early party. You had all the
grunge guys, you, Mike McCready's, Jerry Cantrell, Mike McCready got fucking

(42:36):
got horse collared by being in PearlJam and Eddie Vedder going under new solos
for like four albums. That's yeah, because if you went and saw Pearl
Jam live, they were still doingall the solos. But he was like,
you're not doing it in the studio. And as much as I respect
and I like a lot of PearlJam music, Eddie Veddan go fuck himself.

(42:57):
Like Eddie Vetterer is a perfect exampleof a musician, It's like,
I don't want anything to do withhim on a personal level. He's a
fucking dickhead. Uh nineteen Freddy King, I mean you didn't know hideaway in
this in like the early sixties andgoing into like the hippie fucking psychedelic shit.
That's why Clapton was god is becausehe did hideaway on the Blues Breakers

(43:21):
Be No No Album. That's FreddyKing, Oh yeah, and then going
down a million times, going downs, Freddy King play going down, going
down is and then you realize,like not a live version like try to
find the album version because you're gonnago, oh my god, that is
that fucking raw back then. Andthen if you like Freddy Kingstone, I'll

(43:42):
introduce you to Albert King. OhI've heard this. Yeah, he fucking
wrote this song. This is JeffBett Group. This is fucking so many
motherfuckers covered this song. But dude, think about that, that's like mid
sixties. Listen to that tone.Yeah, mid sixties. This is and

(44:07):
that and dude, and then there'sjust a fucking that base and that that
rhythm section is so deep in thepocket they're busting the seams out. It's
motown. So yeah, mid sixties. This is definitely raw bro this.
That's why there's the Three Kings.There's BB King, there's Albert King,
and there's Freddy King. There's theThree Kings. That's that's that's that's our

(44:30):
that's those are the three Kings.That are blues guitar circles. And he
was a bad ass on the mic. Motherfucker could sing his ass off.
No, I feel we gotta payhomage to number five oh with his version
of going down God this solo.Man, first time I heard this soul.

(44:50):
All the hair on my little fuckingnine year old body was standing on
end. The first time I heardthis, I remember the like the just
the first four measures. What's happeningright now? Yeah, it's like dude,
when he did when he's like hammeringon, pulling off on the G
string at the third friend, he'sdumping the fucking wham bar. First time
I heard it, I was like, oh my god, Oh my god,
what was that? Do that alreadymissed the Freddie version. You're telling

(45:23):
us something, guys. I mean, they're white guys from like England,
so this is pretty good for whiteguys from England, you know what I'm
saying. And I think Jeff Beckhas went on to, you know,
prove that, you know, he'srespected in certain circles. No, this

(45:46):
is all fuck hold on, Ican't. It's not win Woo though.
Win Wood was traffic traffic, blindFaith, that was Wynwood. Spencer Davis
group, that was Waynwood. Butyou have to also understand, I'm nine.

(46:15):
I'm hearing this for the first time. At nine. Right when you're
a kid and you've never heard anythinglike this, You're like, oh my
god, and all the old peoplearound you are like, motherfucker We've heard
this a million times. Why isit? Shut the fuck up? That
was thank you for listening to mytrauma session here on the Christopher Media Network.
Shut up, we're trying to dococaine. No, my family just

(46:37):
get drunk and fuck. But yeah, all right, So what's the next
one? We got Freddy Kane?Yeah? That, And here's the thing.
His attack is so his playing isso Jeff Beck's playing was so syncratic

(47:00):
to himself it's ridiculous. His attackis so light and almost playful, but
then he can get like nasty withit because this is all with his fingers.
He's not using a pick, andI know that means nothing to non
guitar players, but and his masteryof microtnes the notes between the notes,
especially with like natural and pinch harmonics. Forget it. To my guitar teacher,

(47:22):
he had his nails were all longbecause we could play like Jeff Beck.
Dude. There was one guy,Paul I forget his name, but
he would show up with dope MikeKnights. He had a Jeff Beckstratt though
the original one with the LSR lockernut and the fucking lace sensors. And
he get up there and ask forit in front. It's the closest I
probably ever come to seeing Jeff back. But I was like, you still

(47:45):
don't have it. You're not JeffBeck. And I'm not saying that it's
impossible for I've heard people who've playedStevie ray Vaughan and people have been like,
it was that Stevie Rayvon or wasthat someone playing Steve Rayvon? And
I'm like, I can't tell youthe difference at this point. And I
know Stevie Rayvon's playing number twenty.I know you definitely got feelings about Number

(48:07):
twenty. Well there you go.I'm shocked he's even in it. Really
yeah, I mean a person ofcolor. It's rolling Stones, we got
that going for him. But StevieRayvaughan, you're like Mexican. Oh,
Steve Ravonen's white as fuck? Ohreally? Yes? Yeah? Oh yeah,
Jimmy Vaughan his brother. Yeah,there was some white motherfuckers. Oh

(48:29):
yeah, No. I think whatsaved him is that Stevie Rayvon was the
white blues guy in the eighties whostarted going, here are my influences,
and I'm gonna bring them on stageand you're gonna listen to them. Play
to audiences that would have never heardthem. And that's why Buddy Guy was
like on tour with him, BuddyGuy was playing bars. They were the

(48:50):
size of like I don't know theBullfrog. If you're from Detroit and from
the West Side, you remember theBullfrog or like maybe the token, Like
this is all West sidebars, LikeI can't really think of anything on the
East Side Iraq maybe like he wasplaying shit like that. Now he plays
like to this day, he'll playthe State Theater, he'll play the Fox.

(49:12):
And that's because guys Steve Ravugh tookguys like him on tour. So
that might have saved Stevie ray Vaughanbecause everything else about Steve Rayvon. He
played at George Bush's inauguration, Hesupported quote unquote Republican politicians in Texas,
and it's like he was a fuckingstar of a musician in Texas and whoever

(49:32):
waved a dollar in his face heplayed for. That's literally how he made
his living. Are you serious thatDavid Bowie money? That's what I'm saying
that how the fuck you think heended up being like why am I?
Why am I learning how to playfucking spiders? From Mars. I don't
want to play this shit, andthey were like, okay, get off

(49:52):
the tour, and he was like, okay, thank you, that's all
I wanted to just give me thecheck for playing. He knew what he
was capable of and what he wasn't. This is a song I meant to
play. But fucking YouTube, they'llput the name of the album as well
as the song. I thought Iwas playing this song. It just started
that album. But he against LoveStruck Baby. Yeah, well, and

(50:15):
then now what. I'm never oneof my favorites. I don't like his
jump boogie like houses of rocking LoveStruck Baby, that type of blues,
the rusty straight raiser, the bitchdonet me wrong. Now she gotta die.
That's the shit that I like.That's when shit gets real, That's
when I like it. But uh, if you if you have ever wondered
why guitar players and a lot ofnon guitar players worship Stevie Rayvaughn, go

(50:38):
on YouTube. Look up live atthe Al Macambo, Texas flood Stevie rayvaugh
Sit through it. You'll you'll understandafter that, you don't. I don't
really need to say anything else?So who we got at twenty one?
We got to at least get throughthe top twenty five. Here some let

(51:00):
Steevie play We're gonna kick? Arewe just not on YouTube? This?
This? Yeah, this, thisone will just this will be yanked off
YouTube immediately, Like, don't evenpost it, just fuck it just because
iTunes. Won't iTunes? It's Spotify. No, no, no, no
no, don't post it to YouTube, is what I'm saying. Well,
I got everything automatic, Okay,yanked number twenty one. See, I

(51:25):
have feelings about this guy because Idon't I'm not sure if it was it's
Randy Rhoades, Okay, Like it'slike one album or is it like like
two yea Diary of a Madman andBlizzard of Oz I think, and then
the posthumous live album that they werereleased after he died. Yeah, Oh,

(51:46):
a couple demos with Quiet Riot,those are floating around. But is
this one of those? Like litfast, die young, that's why he's
on so high. But he wasn'tthat. That's the ironic part about him
dying young. He wasn't really thatguy. He partied, he drank,

(52:07):
but he was like sitting in theback of the bus with a classical guitar,
going over fucking scales and shit likehe was more of a music now.
I'm sure, believe me, surehe enjoyed all the trappings of everything,
but I kind of think like,that's what's that's why he's he was
so revered among guitar players because hetook it seriously, you know what I'm

(52:30):
saying, Like he brought and hewasn't blues. Let's be honest, there's
nothing blues based in Randy Roads playing. I'm not sure he's a top twenty
fiver. I guess that's what I'mgetting. Okay, I'm gonna be honest
with you. His playing has someamazing moments. His tone is ass.
I hate his fucking tone. It'sbees in a fucking tan, fucking stompbox

(52:52):
tone, and it's just I can'tget a lot better out of that.
If this isn' it's a terrible lamp. Yeah, his tone is bad.
Always felt that way about Randy Rhodesand always got shouted down, and I
was like, okay, but here'shere's my question. Is because he's dead
and you have to defend him becauseyou feel the need to, or is
it because you truly think his toneis good? Would you be happy if

(53:15):
that was your tone? Most guitarplayers fucking fuck you, like, yeah,
where's my fucking bass? Why isthis all? Mid uh twenty two?
Here's your third king, mister AlbertKing. Yeah, I mean velvet
Bulldozer all what six foot six ofthat motherfucker, big fucking biscuit eating motherfucker.

(53:36):
It's a nickname from my cock.Yeah, Albert King, That motherfucker
strangled the shit out of a guitar. I mean like three three and a
half step Benz has nothing, nothingunheard of with him and also another another
guitar player, that live gauge,that lived and loved microtnes the notes between

(53:58):
the notes. See, that's justwhat I'm saying. Like, I've heard
a million cover this is this,but I'm like, the laid back,

(54:19):
the fucking horn section is just thecovers don't nail it. And let's just
be honest. It's because I'm sorry, I'm sorry, y'all white, It's
just it, and I'm saying Ihave seen enough bootlegs of Albert Can go
listen to Live Wire Blues Power thatlive album all right, and listen to

(54:42):
him with that band, and thengo watch the YouTube clips of him before
he died with his United Colors ofBenetton band, where I mean, well,
let's be honest, it wasn't theUnited Colors Beneton. It was more
like Blues Underglass with middle aged whitemen. You know what I'm saying,
like I and it's just they're adequateall the right notes, but man,
there's no fuck you behind it,there's no funk behind it. And I'm

(55:05):
not saying it's impossible for white peopleto get, but god damn, it's
number one on this list demonstrates andwe did not hit out. We've said
it a thousand other times. Jimmyshowed you it's not what you're playing,
it's how you're playing it. Andthat's what you're getting at with the King's
Band here. Yes, Whitey canplay all the right notes, but they
can't play all the right notes whenyou find it. When you find it,

(55:29):
like it's like a drummer who canswing, and there's different types of
swing. Danny Carey from Tool isa drummer who can swing, but his
swing is not Buddy Rich swinging.It's not Dave Bruback, but he could
play Dave brew back and probably veryeasily. But anyways, now we're really
going down in the rabbit hole music. So number twenty three a team.
Not sure I feel about that,Tan and Sarah, Yes, no tattoo

(55:52):
for hipsters. I'm trying to comeup with another ludicrous duo and it's Hetfield
and Hammett. They're not a duo, I know, thank you, that's
stopped that. If they said JoePerry and Brad Whitford, who honestly,
Brad Whitford gets sold down the riveron as far as how many solos that
he took that people just automatically thinkit's Joe Perry. That's an actual guitar
duo. I would buy that.The dudes from Uh Iron Maiden with all

(56:17):
those harmonies and shit, the fuckingthe guitar core from like I'm thinking of
like duos that i'd accept, likethe guitar the core of guitar players,
because it's a lot more than duosfrom Leonard skinnerd you know what I'm saying,
Like those guys. But James Hetfieldis at least at one point was
the top thrash rhythm player period,the rhythm player for metal. Yeah,

(56:40):
I mean you can't fight. Imean, Dave Mustain is a much better
technical guitar player, but Dave Mustaine'srhythm playing it just ain't up there.
It just Hetfield is a goddamn machine. Period. I've listened to the isolated
picking tracks and I'm like, likeon Dire's Eve and shit, and I'm
going, oh man, my handscramp and just thinking about this shit,

(57:01):
right, you know, And it'slike I'm good on that, you know.
So? And I mean Kurt Hammett, there's two Kurt Hammett's. There's
Kurt Hammett before he heard Stevie Rayvaughanand that was the Kurd Hammett that took
lessons from from Joe Satriani. Yeah, and there's Kurt Hammtt after he heard
Stevie Rayvaughan, who to do somethingto Hendrix and the wah pedal? And

(57:23):
so which one are we talking about? Because the first, the first one,
the Joe Satriani protege, his vibratowas all over the place. Go
back and listen to those solos.His vibrato is sometimes I mean he's I'm
like, ow, you didn't fixthat in the studio. After all these
years, all the bullshit you fixedon all these albums, you pulled garage

(57:46):
days, revisited, and re releasedit after you cleaned it up because you
couldn't handle how bad some of thefucking takes were, and you let that
note sit in there. Okay,sure, who am I argue? And
then of course it's just after thatit's wah pedal? Yeah. Does he

(58:07):
use a wap pedal on the unforgivensolo? I can't remember. Yep,
he does. Okay, that's oneof the first botallic solos I've ever had
to learn, because one of thefirst songs I ever played in front of
people that that solo was named Soloof the Year in nineteen ninety one.
What oh yeah back on the oldX rock station back in the day here

(58:30):
in Detroit. Have you ever seenBob Rock in the studio with him when
he's about to do this, andhe's like, well, then come on,
mister fucking awesome guitar player, playyour fucking solo. I mean like
he's pissing him off on purpose,like trying to get him fired up,
like play your fucking song. Ithink the wah is right here? Yeah,

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no, no, whaw or doeshe do the Zach Wilde and hit
it and leave it and then stepback on it later in the solo.
Could that that could be a cockedwa on a neck pick up with the
tone rolled off? That's real,that's some real nerd ship. I just

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said like, oh yeah, thatcould be a cocked law on the neck
pick up with the tone. Iknow exactly what you were saying. Really,
this is that that? Because fromthis album, for my money,
it goes all my friends are like, yes, we know, every time
you're drunk and this song comes on, you remind us? Is this your
nickelback? How you remind them?But this is the best song solo on

(59:51):
this album, possibly one of hisbest solos ever, because he's not trying
to jam in a million notes.Yeah, it's just one of those songs

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I've heard so many times. Right, It's like I don't even really listen
to it. It's just in whitenoise. It's Charlie Brown's teacher. Instead
of it being wah wah, it'swah wah. It's a lot pedal.
It's just a lot of pedal goingback and forth. But see, I
think it doesn't it's a disservice toput these guys in the same slot.

(01:00:37):
They're two different guitar players. Absolutely, yeah, But I mean I get
it. It's shorthand for there's notgonna be a whole lot of fucking deep
dives in the metal. So here'syour fucking like, is okay his diningbag
even in the top fifty. Oncewe get to twenty five, we can
start scanning for where people are.Okay, twenty four, I believe you
brought this guy up when I broughtup chicken picking. James Burton. Uh

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well, I was thinking James Burton, but I was also thinking Carl Perkins
and Chennikins. But yeah, ofcourse this is the guy that came up
with chicken picking. According to theother one. I was assuming, oh,
actually has chicken picking in the article. All right, oh, here
we go. Good one and onfor number twenty five, mister jerking off

(01:01:23):
himself, mister John for Chante.I'm I'm kind of shocked he's in the
top twenty five because I could figurethere'd be a lot more fucking checklist candidates
who checked off the right marks toput up there. So I mean,
I think, dude, he's acomplete package as far as guitar players go.

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He's a solid rhythm player, He'san awesome lead player. He knows
when to lay back in the cut, he knows when and here's here's my
thing. Everybody knows. It's ChiliPepper's output. Don't go listen if you
are enormy, do not go listento the Do not listen to any drug
John Fruchante, no smile from thestreets, you hold, no neander Lodez

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and usually just a T shirt,stick with to record, only water for
ten days and oh shit, ohwhat was the shadows? Colyde with people.
His solo work is better, Ithink than his work with the Chili
Peppers as far as songwriting quality.Now, this is him coming out of

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the drug shit and it's literally himwith a four track and Rick Rubin producer,
so it's going to be low filike that. But if you go
up to the next album, that'sthe one where he's got flee in Chad
as his rhythm section and is basicallythe Chili Peppers playing John Fraschante songs without
Anthony. What's it called? OhI should hold on? You put me

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on the spot. Well, youcan play Carvel, play car I'm trying
to. I just said the nameof the album. I can't think of
it off the top of my headbecause this was off to record only Water
for Time, Thank You, Shadows, Cloud of People, even fast forward,

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it's got that. It's the firsttrack on the album. So that's
got one of those fucking funky instrumentalintros. Yeah, this is him Josh
Klinghoffer, Flee and Chad for mostof the tracks on this album. So

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and this is from like two thousandand four. Oh wow. This all
the stuff that they didn't want toput on, by the way, I'm
guessing, but I mean like therewas a year where he released six albums

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in the year he released, andhe released at least a three song EP
I think every every two months fora year straight. So I just think
he's one of those people who hasprolific music output. And because he's that
prolific, there's gonna be music thatyou're not gonna like that that he puts
out, Like his his electronics stuffI don't really care for. Oh,

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this is absolutely yeah, yeah youcan hear it here. Anthony didn't like
this one. Yeah, that's totallya Chili Peppers song. He is the

(01:04:53):
Chili Peppers, like as far asonce you get past Californiication and then you
take out the two albums they didwithout him in the two thousand and ten
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'sthat's why when he comes back, they
start putting out albums at a quickerpace and they start touring the world because

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they put out what two albums inthirteen years, and he wasn't in the
band two albums and thirteen years.Tool does better than that. In fact,
Tool just released an album twenty nineteenand they're going back in the studio
next year. So that the wayTool Records is they write all the music
and hand it to Maynard. Maynardwrites the lyrics, they go in the
studio and records, so we mighthave a Tool album here soon. There's

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an all acoustic like demo version ofthe album that I like even better than
this, but that's just because it'sit's him and Josh with two acoustic guitars,
and then there's like a couple overdubswith solos and keyboards and stuff.
But yeah, this is this isone of the best songs on this album,

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by the way, because when thewhen, when like the chorus hits
and the background vocals come in,like I get goosebumps, Like I love
this shit. It's definitely he saidthis is two thousand and four. Yeah,
this, this was definitely from thisdidn't make five the way this is

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their cast off. And I'm like, if I wrote this song, I
don't give a fuck if no oneelse liked it. If I wrote this
song and I was playing this songand I was like, oh my god,
I did that, I could dropdead right then and be like I'm
happy, all right, I'm coolwith that. Why because I created something
that is that beautiful of a pieceof fucking work of art in my mind.
Fuck it, I'll say it.But yeah, he also has like

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some of his albums, like he'smore guitar centric, so it's a lot
more solo like and shit like that. That's stuff. Also, like there's
a song called look On He's goingoff at the end of You don't have
to play it because it's we'd besearching for him. But like, if
you like the Chili Peppers, ifyou like John Forschante, you owe it
to yourself check out his soul stuff. All right, So that's the top

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twenty five. Now let's scan wehave two hundred and twenty five to laugh
at. Yeah, Saint Vincent twentysix. Fender gave her a guitar.
Congratulations. Use the Buddy Guy attwenty seven. I think that's that's too
high for this type of list.But if this was strictly influenced, he

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would easily be in the top twentyfive. Literally, go back and listen
to some of Buddy Guy's live recordingsif you can find him in the live
video or you know film of him. He's playing behind his head with his
teeth before Hendricks was even doing it. That's where Hendricks got a lot of
that shit. Him and t boneWalker and remember Joni Mitchell better than the
Buddy Guy twenty eight. David Gilmoretwenty nine. Eddie Hazel. I see

(01:08:03):
Eddie Hazel. That's where it's like, God, if you're gonna take a
funk guitar player, put Eddie Hazelup there. Rogers. Yes, just
speak for maggot brain alone exactly.Neil Young. I mean he's like his
influid once again. Like if thiswas just influence, he's in the club
with Jimmy Page and Kurt Cobain andhey, kids, it's okay. To

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play sloppy. We used to coverokay, we used to cover rocking in
the Free world, and the bandI was in it was an all cover
band, right, so I wasn'tashamed to cover this song on Ironically,
So the first solo with a stratocaster, I tried to play like Neil Young
played. And Neil Young's playing alest Paul with a Bigsby and I'm playing

(01:08:45):
a stratocaster with a fucking trim that'slike smack dab against a body. So
I'm like, okay, this isgonna have to work. So oh yeah.
So I was working the fuck outof that motherfucker. The second solo,
I was like, I don't wantto do with the same thing.
I already proved that I can kindof cop Neil Young by copying kind of
Neil Young style and solo like alittle bit. So I went to hoole

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Mike McCready solo on the way out. So I fucking rocked out on the
way out. There's a yes anhomage. Well, I'm just saying it.
People would be like, hey man, you kind of sound like Neil
Young, and then you showed youcould really play. And when I heard
that. I was like, oh, I don't, I don't. I
don't know if we should really talkabout Neil that way. You know,
like thirty one The dark Horse,mister George Harrison. As a guitar player,

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he's pretty good. He was anotherhe knew when well. He also
George Martin telling them when and whennot to play. But he made it
count. He could play slide,he he played sitar. See if you
start playing multiple stringed instruments and you'recompetent and good at it, to me,
that buys that buys a lot offucking grace and goodwill in my He
wrote the lead in Something Got thatfor him. I just think of Harrison

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Moore as a songwriter than I doof it than a guitar player, So
I would think he would be higher. I think that's where he should be
in like the list of songwriters.But I don't know if I would have
that high as a guitar player.I think this guy's maybe about ten spots
higher than he should need to be. Thirty two, Jack White, that's
yeah, yeah, definitely. BrianMay at thirty three, I figure that's

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about where he should be. Goback and listen. If you're and if
you don't know Queen that well,except for the radio hits, go Dig
Up, stone Cold Crazy, thevocals. Probably if you're a metal head,
you're gonna be like, what thefuck's with these vocals, But you're
gonna hear that guitar part and you'regonna go win. That was Queen in
seventy three, four ninety Yes,this was fucking nineteen Sheer Heart attacks like

(01:10:38):
their first one. This is like, yeah, this is like seventy four,
And props to their producer too makingit sound like this in nineteen seventy
four. Roy Thomas Baker never getsthe love he should get. You know,

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those vocals don't sound as cheesy nowas when I was a kid.
But when I was a kid,it's just because I was so used to
Hetfield coming in here, all yeah, that rhythm tone and that the way

(01:11:26):
he's playing the Paul muting, theattack, the fucking and then the way
he came in with that first noteand the solo is that that is more
metal than most metal solos these days. One guitar player. This is one
guy, and by the way,the same guy that played on Bohemian Raps,

(01:11:48):
the same guy that played on thecrazy little thing called love. Same
guy played on fucking we will rockYou under pressure, under press. By
the way, all all those differentthat you could easily hire three different guitar
plays to record all those parts,this is one guy. And he's also
an astrophysicist. Yeah, didn't hequeen who designed his own guitar with his
father built it and still yeah andstill plays that motherfucker and then did not

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know that the story of the RedSpecial. I had to tell him the
story of the Red Special. Hewas too busy looking for obscure things,
I guess to learn the basics ofa band that he supposedly likes. Thirty
four never understood it. Don't understandnow, just count me as in never
got it. I mean, Iguess I kind of get it for the

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jam band culture, but Jerry Garcianever got uh. Grateful Dad, I
tray, what's his relations? Youknow chords? What's uh? How you
pronounced his last name, Trey Anastasio? Is that how you pronounced his name?
Yeah? Him as a guitar player. I actually like his guitar player.

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Yes, him and Fish for themost part bores me. But the
Grateful Dad really bored me, Liketo the point where I'm like, I'd
rather you just turn it off,And I like, I can listen to
almost anything as white noise, Butafter like probably twenty minutes of The Grateful
Dead, I'm ready to be like, Okay, wrap it up. You've

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been to wrap that, he's beento wrap that song. Will up be
thirty five? Like, we'll trynot to spend thirty five. This one
seems to be a point of contentionwith a lot of people. Yeah,
I'll say I need this too fardown on the list. I think you
should be far higher. Thirty fiveis Clapton. I heard someone describe Clapson
recently as the world's most famous tributeartist, and I'm like, as much

(01:13:36):
as I love a lot of whatClapton's done, I can't tell you what
Clapton sounds like. I can tellyou what Clapton when he's in his different
eras, I can tell you whohe's trying to emulate, But what's Eric
Clapton's sound. The Beano album wasfrom Freddy can Cream. The minute they
heard Hendrix, he went out andgot the perm in Marshall Stacks the next
day. The next day. That'sfrom fucking that's from Clapton himself. He's

(01:14:01):
in going I need a perk becausea black man came from New York and
got on stage and blew his assoff the stage and he was God at
that point in time. Number one. So that was that was his response,
so cream it was his response tothat. And then his seventies work
was him trying to be Robbie Robertsonfrom the band and then he was.
Then he got enamored with JJ gailand or JJK excuse me. Then he

(01:14:25):
got enamored with a reggae and hewas wanting to be a reggae artist.
You see what I'm getting at here? What is the real Claptain? Then
he had the Blues album, andhe had his blues period, and then
he had his unplug Like what's Iguess Unplugged is probably the closest to the
real Clapton we get because I don'tknow what he because I'm telling you,
and I love Clapton's playing. Ijust agree with it, like he's kind

(01:14:45):
of the world's best known tribute artist. I mean, you make some valid
points, so goddamn, I alwaysforget the name of this fucking and I
think they always play the fuck outof the same two Cream songs and then
this, Yeah it's been a minuteso I heard does and like, fuck

(01:15:13):
the other two they played, theyjust beat the fuck out of play this
one. See I mean white RoomSunshiny Love. Okay, great, I
get it. But if we're gonnago with Clapton on a wah, give
me tales of Brave View Lissies overwhite Realm. Yeah, and if we're
gonna go with it just a Ithink one of Cream's best, like all
around, showing when you put allthree of those musicians together, what they

(01:15:38):
can come up with. I thinkI feel Free is it is one of
their best songs. Songs all around, you know what I'm saying, not
musical performances, not solo's songs.I Feel Free is a song that you
could play for people who aren't intoguitar or acid rock or whatever the fuck
they called it back in the day, and they go, yeah, that's
a good song. That's like oneof my least favorite what I feel Free.

(01:16:01):
I'm just I'm just once again,I could have been a good an
R man. I can argue foryour music. I can't. I can't
say I like it. I canargue for your music was always place.
This is always a channel changer forme. See really, I think it's
because the background vocals and the wholefucking almost like yeah, I think that's

(01:16:23):
what I liked about it, Ithink. But I didn't see it as
do wop. I saw it moreas like them almost thinking they're they're like
doing old school jazz scat with this. That's what I think they thought they
were doing. Probably like you realizewhat I just had on Now we're listening
to this, Okay, whatever,But no, this is like fucking hippie

(01:16:48):
rockety but it's a song. Tailsof Brave Ulysses is literally a riff with
solos or built around it, andthe lyrics are just random poetry. That
song is experience. But I lovetales baby but that. But let's be
honest here, it's not much ofa song. Okay. Oh. I

(01:17:09):
loved back when I was in classicrock radio that have the studio to myself
and this came on. I loveto be like super high and just crank
the studio monitors on the songs,especially when they get going at the end
the lead and winter. This isn'ta song, this is a jam.
There is there is a difference andmusicians are going yes, yes, most

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people don't want to hear jams,like, of course we do, we're
musicians. Now this is here's interesting. This is why Clapton gets shipped on
a lot from people who even lovehis playing, because they're like, listen
to his wah. Clapton is rockthe wah back and forth. There's no

(01:17:55):
vocal expression even in his a lotof his solo and it's just he's rocking
the wa And it's like that's aknock against them because they're like, Hendricks
can make a wah talk, Ohyeah, No, Clapton just rocks it
up and down. No, yeah, there's yeah, there's definitely. Oh
and if you listen to Jerry Cantrell, he does the same shit. He's

(01:18:15):
not just rocking it, he's makingit talk. Yeah yeah yeah. Speaking
of is he next on the list? Let's see thirty six Elizabeth Caught another
woman of color. She's the firstperson to flip the guitar or upside down,
like Hendrick, but she kept itstrong upside down, whereas Hendricks redid
it. Thirty seven p Towns Inthirty eight another team, Angus and Malcolm

(01:18:36):
Young because if you know, ifyou know anything abou rhythm guitar, you
know that that Malcolm Young was thefucking rock and Angus was just running around
soul. And Angus is like ahype man. Angus is a flavor flave
to Malcolm's chuck d If they're gonnabe a duo, that's the duo.
I want to compare him to Fairthirty nine. Chad Atkins think you should

(01:19:00):
be higher. Uh, first ofall, if we're gonna go dip that
far back, where's Les Paul right? The fucking signature guitar. It's such
a signature guitar. People don't evenrealize they're buying a signature style of guitar
named after him. Yes, Yes, is the people you play a signature
guitar? Do you play less Paul? Yeah? I got bad news for
you. John Fayeed number forty,John Fayey from See We're gonna here's the

(01:19:25):
problem. He's a folk guy.I guess at a certain point they're gonna
start pulling from their asses like thesefucking off the beaten path. No one.
I've never heard people I haven't heardof. They've come out in the
last ten years and it's gonna belike, yeah, sure, okay forty
one Didley forty two, Vernon Reedshocked it? Yeah, now then I
think about it. No, I'mnot shocked. I'd like to see where

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he's on the list twenty years ago. By the way, real quick about
Vernon Read. You see if youagree with me on that, that's the
way Joni Mitchell's better than Vernon ofcourse, Uh, Vernon Reid way better
rhythm player than he is a leadplayer. Do you agree with that statement?
Yes or no? Yes? Okay? I think Vernon Reads such an
underrated rhythm play. He has somuch swing. If you go back and

(01:20:10):
listen to his rhythm playing on thealbum Stained, Holy fuck dude, he
is ignorance, is bliss that rhythmfucking that guitar part on there, even
the live version they did on Letterman, He's swinging so hard when he's playing
that shit man, And I'm justlike, no one was doing that in
metal back then, man, Nofucking body actually no. In ninety three,
Caius had just it was a yearafter Caius had released so Caius and

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I guess you could say Cowboys fromHell was kind of the beginning of groove
metal, but I think far orValga display is more of the groove metal
fucking like announcement we're here. That'swhen Panthera said, we're not doing the
high pitch screaming anymore. We're done, by the way. Apparently a gentleman
named Kendrick Lamar has made a morepopular song named Ignorance is Bliss. Oh

(01:20:57):
well, I'm not shocked. Ohthis all? Yeah, I had this
album for sure. Yeah. Imean, if you just sit and listen
to his rhythm, especially with someheadphones on like on his a lot of
his playing, there's so many littlethings in there that he does. I
stepped on the intro too. Yeahyeah, but yeah, there's a song

(01:21:26):
called Pride where it's like at onepoint it's like, you know, uh,
Corey Lover, the singer mentions thepolice, and the middle of just
him fucking just like playing this likelaid back in the cut. Absolutely in
the pocket rhythm section part, hejust goes up hits two natural harmonics,
pulls up on the bar and thenfucking dumps the bar and makes it sound
like the Doppler effect of a copcar going by, And it's just like

(01:21:48):
so casual that. I'm sure thenormies who listened to it was like,
oh, that's probably a sample ofa cop car. No, that was
a fucking guitar. That wasn't evenMIDI. That was not a MIDI guitar.
I could tell you the guitar heused to do that with number forty
two. That's Vernon. But but, but Jony Mitchell bet a guitar player
than number forty three. The radioheadguys, Johnny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien,

(01:22:09):
number four, Johnny Ramone. Again, if this was an influence thing,
he'd be a top ten or fortyfive. Steve Cropper. He's got a
lot of work that people don't knowabout. He was part of the Blues
Brothers. He's fucking Booker T andMGS and not the Booker T was coming
for you, Haultkvid, We're comingfor you, yeah, bro or whatever
the fucking you know. I can'tsay that special in word now. I
mean for saying greatest of all time. This guy I think is way too

(01:22:32):
far down on the list. It'sFrank Zappo. Oh yeah, if just
on guitar playing ability alone, topten yeah, easy. And I don't
even really care for Zappa like alot of Zappa is more weirder shit that
where he proves that he's in thetop ten I don't even really care for,
but still I'm like, I respectit because it takes a lot of
talent. Like a year ago,I went on like a kick, where
all I was trying to do islisten to instrumental Zappa. This fucking it

(01:22:55):
was a weird month. This guyshouldn't even be maybe five hundred, not
two fifty. He's in the topfifty fucking the edge edge is I mean,
first of all, how did hebecome a guitar like known as a
like a guitar like a guitar hero, guitar player, nations, you know

(01:23:15):
how to use your delay pedal.He's very good at adding little subtle parts
to shit, and he's it's nothappy little accidents. I've watched enough because
I have friends who really like youtoo, and I've seen a lot of
live fucking videos they posted, andlike Bullet the Blue Sky, he's on
some Eric Johnson's controlled feedback. He'sgetting the pitch he wants and he knows
where to go and how to doit. It's not just let me just

(01:23:39):
hit all my pedals and let itfeedback and go like so he does have
that ability, but does that makehim a greatest one of the greatest guitar
players. I mean, I cando that. Thank you for visiting Christopher
Media dot net. Thank you forvisiting Christopher Media dotty. Curtis Mayfield.

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Okay, Andy DeFranco needs to goin and beat the dog shit out of
everybody at Rolling Stone. How thefuck do you put whatever? Okay?
Sure, number fifty Jane, Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's had
a lot of influence, a lotof influence. It's like Carl Perkins with

(01:24:24):
with the with the American rock androllers back in the day. See some
highlights of the next twenty five TomVerlane, Oh yeah, from television Markey
Moon, if it they went.They were one of the bands that were
coming up with like Blondie and TalkingHeads and Ship, and they actually learned
how to play their instruments, sothey kind of grew out of the punk

(01:24:45):
thing and became the post punk punkindie. Yeah. They I mean,
like Markey Moon is like a tento eleven minute song and it's got like
like battling solos, but none ofthe solos have anything to do with the
blues and you know how deeply Ilove you know all everything blues. I
still love that song in those solos, so I mean, and his tone

(01:25:08):
he was a big Fender strator ora jazz master into a twin. Yeah,
So fifty two far too low onthis list. John Lee Hooker,
Yeah, for sure, Trey Anastagiofifty three, Bonnie Raid at fifty four,
Mick Taylor at fifty five. Ithink I can say about Bonnie Rate,
Steve Rayvaugh and George Thorowgold probably keptthe blues in the forefront of people's

(01:25:30):
minds in the eighties, those three, So yeah, I could see she
deserves a spot on here. Idon't I don't know if it's this high,
but whatever. Fifty six, Johnnymar fifty seven, Thurst and More
and Lee Ronaldo. All Right,I'm a gen xer and I'm coming out
and I'm gonna say I don't getSonic Youth and I never did. You've
never heard a Sonic Youth song thatyou're like. I liked the song and

(01:25:51):
I get it. Well, wasit cool kids? Maybe? Cool thing?
Yeah? Cool thing? Walking likea Panther the only Sonic Youth song
I can name really one hundred percent. You don't know that one no bow
in the heather, none of thesering remember hear Sonic youth and going,

(01:26:14):
this is all like noise to me. See, but I don't like noise.
I don't know there's Do you likeHelmet? Okay? Because Page Hamilton
comes from the same fucking group oflike like and same school of thought as
far as Jesus Chords, But Helmethas a lot of noise rock elements in
them, even though people would considerprobably more more people would consider Helmet a

(01:26:35):
metal band than a noise rock band, but they come from the noise rock
fucking like that that that crowd,because, like I said, Page Hamilton
played with like Glenn Bronca, that'slike that weird like dead city jazz type
ship that that like I listened toand other musicians go, why are you
listening to this? I don't talkabout those bands with people except for the

(01:27:00):
late at night fifty eight Alex Lisnthat's Rush. That's the guitar player for
Rush. Where people don't know,well, here we're in the prog rock
section. Fifty nine Robert Fripp fromKing Crimson. I'd put Adrian Blue over
frip, but that's just on pureguitar playability. Scotty Moore at sixty John
Mayer sixty one. I was waitingfor him, but I'm shocked he's in
the top hundred. I agree,but Peter Green sixty two. Richard Thompson

(01:27:25):
sixty three. Richard Thompson is reallyunderrated and not a lot of people know
him. Sorry, the gen xkid fan of the band. This ship
should not be anywhere near the topone hundred. Kerry Brownstein Sleeeder can't no
way, not a band that everfucking made me sit up and take notice.
I just never cared for him.It's fucking indie rock. I like
a lot of indie rock. Ijust for some reason, it's not my

(01:27:46):
thing. Sixty five T Bone Walker, Yeah, sixty six Racooiter, Yeah
yeah. Rak Cooter's on a lotof shit that people don't know he is
sixty seven. Uh having shields mybloody Valentine. Yeah, that's fair,
dude. Do you okay, doyou understand how deep shoegaze's influence has gone.

(01:28:09):
There is black metal that is blackmetal mixed with shoegaze, and it's
it's not bad. Like I'm likeHow did that happen? How did black
metal we It has to be dude, there had to be a black metal
guy that was like, I'm justgonna stop worshiping Satan and putting on corpse
paint for a minute and put onthis my bloody Valentine album because it says

(01:28:29):
bloody on it. Wow. IfI could somehow tremelo pick and put that
much reverb on my shit, Icould mix these two. So finally,
at sixty eight, the guy whoa guitar is named after Les Paul Okay
sixty nine Robbie Robertson once again,I think of him more as a songwriter
than guitar player, or a musicianthan a guitar player. I don't think

(01:28:49):
of him as like a badass ona guitar. Did Django unchained at number
seventy, Ryan Harts, you playjazz? You know who the fuck he
is is? Franco Luambo I onlyI don't know who that is? Some
guy? Well, I mean,once again, the first line tells you
why he's on the list. Atowering figure in the history of African music.

(01:29:12):
Congolese singer, guitarist, band leaderFrancois Lomba, someone from a scene
that no one's heard of. Seventytwo John McLaughlan fusion players you know who
that is? Yeah, my VishnaOrchestra. You don't know who that is.
Didn't he also play with I'm justsaying like if he if a musician
doesn't know John McLaughlan is, didhe play with them? Yeah? And

(01:29:34):
he also played a badass fusion guitarplayer. Well, he also played with
Miles Davis, didn't he? Yes? Okay, he might have even been
on Bitches Brew. No, hehe was oh parenting jazz fusion on bitches
Brew? Cool? Okay, Hubertsomeone yes, Holland, Uh, what's
guitar player smokestack lightning? Uh?Killing floor, fucking and bringing on.

(01:30:00):
Well, no, that was WillieDixon. But yeah, but as far
as guitar players go, that wasthat was Wolf's. That's the guitar player
that most blues could. Guys lovethat they played with Wolf. Seventy four
Jay Mascus. I always liked histone, name, publicity, photo,
fucking ned. They had the guitarmagazine with him, hold the fud face
when I saw him when I wasfourteen. Well, at he's consistent.

(01:30:24):
I always liked his tone, andI think he's actually a really good player
that I'm like, dude, howdid you end up having almost like a
fendery bluesy rock tone in the middleof these indie songs where you warble off
key And I'm like, if Ihad known that was an option, do
you understand I wouldn't be talking toyou right now? Chris right saying I

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found out too late. Seventy fiveRichie Blackmore, I think that guy doesn't
get as much much love as heshould. One of the few guitar players
to meld blues and like classical anddo it without sounding like shit my opinion,
you know what I'm saying, Likeying Veay Molmstein tries to mix Paganini
and Hendrix and I'm like, Okay, dude, it might be possible,

(01:31:08):
but I don't think you're doing itreally well, Yingvey, so put the
strat down. Richie helped give ustwo vocalists to the world, David Coverdale
and Ronnie James. All Right,I Ian, what's his face? Gillian?
Yeah, he's like, man,fuck you. Right, he went
and played Jesus and then found someI don't understand all the reverence for this

(01:31:30):
chick in the last ten years.Where was it? Until ten years ago?
Jones Jet Jone Jet had like respectwith punk rockers. I get what
the Runaways did, but I don'tunderstand like the last ten years, like
all of a sudden, everyone islike, there's this reverence for her as
a guitar player. It's like it'spower chords. Do you remember the like

(01:31:50):
the the VH one, like topmetal rock artist whatever. You know what
I'm saying, when they'd have thatshit. Yeah, she was on there,
she was, you know, andshe was pretty high. And dude,
all these fucking people from all likeeras and sub genres of rock were
coming out just like talking glowingly ofher. And this was twenty years ago.

(01:32:10):
So I think maybe it's partly theRunaways, and maybe it's what she's
done on her own. She's boughta lot of good will with a lot
of musicians, and that's gonna giveyou a lot of pull and influence when
other musicians speak highly of somebody toespecially with people who don't play. And
I learned this the other day.I Love rock and Roll isn't even her
song. No, either is doYou Want to Touch Me? I hate

(01:32:35):
myself for loving you. She's prettymuch a she's a covered Yeah. Still
I maintain, I know, Iknow, I'm barking up the wrong tree.
I think she looked good when shewas younger, but that's what she
had, that like certain look.Yeah, Willie at seventy seven, Nelson,
Yeah, Charlie Christian at seventy eight. Wait, Charlie Christian over fucking

(01:32:56):
West Montgomery. If we're talking like, why if they're gonna start inducing jazz
players, where's West Montgomery? He'snot seventy nine, that's the Islead There
trucks at eighty chance, another folkguy from the UK, Wes Montgomery's at
eighty two hundred. I mean,I guess respectable for a bunch of fucking
probably not musicians. We're rolling Stoneand I'm wondering if the adults took over

(01:33:18):
this part of the fucking you knowwhat I'm saying. For the most part,
they're like, oh, okay,okay, kids, we got your
checklist. Okay, now only themusicians are reading down. That's fart eighty
three. Adrienne Smith and Dave Murrayfrom Iron Maiden. Now that's a duo.
I could say, Yes, IronMan are known for their fucking harmonized
leads. That's a guitar playing duo. That's where our age difference comes in.

(01:33:40):
That that couple of years matter.I've never No, no, no,
I'm not saying I like imd guy, I've never. But you are
aware that like most of their fuckingsolos are like harmonized leads and shit right.
Yes, so that's where we're talkingabout the Trooper. Yes, we're
talking about the duos where they hadHatfield and Hammett. It's like, no,
this is a duo that makes senseto package them together. Another guy

(01:34:03):
who was far too low but whateverwoke Flakes eighty four Muddy Waters, Yeah,
eighty five Larry Carlton, Larry,I don't know is he dead yet
or is he still alive? Doesnot seem to have talked about him in
the past. Ten okay for thosewho don't know, like a lot of
fucking steely Dan a lot of sessionwork and got shot and left for dead,

(01:34:27):
leaving him a session in New Yorkin the late eighties and shot in
the neck, and they e didn'tthink he was gonna make it? Was
it outside of hot ninety seven?No, he wasn't. Jada Pinkett wasn't
there with Tupac talking about take willinstead, take will instead, but h
or whatever the yeah but anyways,yeah, and then came back and fucking

(01:34:47):
had a career and was like oneof those one of those stories that I
remember reading a musician magazine when Ifirst started playing guitar, or not playing
guitar, but like playing guitar inmy teenage years taking it serious, buying
guitar magazines, and just it's stickingwith me, like, Wow, that's
nuts, dude. This guy's ona bunch of shit that I've even heard
of. And I don't even carefor Steely Dan for the most part.

(01:35:10):
See, Steely Dan is one ofthose like when I was younger, I
hated him, Now I love Iguess I need to go deep cuts and
Steely Dan. Steely Dan is tryingto talk to Steely Dan fans requires you
to talk to the people that listenand love Steely Dan, and they're and
they're like in your face about it, the insufferable cocksuckers about it. Yes,

(01:35:30):
it's like, okay, we getit, dude. You want to
fucking cradle Donald Fagan's nuts on yourchin. We understand eighty six Sonny Sharrak.
Why does that name sound familiar?But I cannot picture it. Oh,
he's older and he's black. Andwhen I'm done the rolling this joint,
we'll get into his particulars. Hewanted to play the sacks, but

(01:35:50):
asthma drove him to the guitar.Something oh nineteen ninety Oh, but he
played in the sixties and seventies,played with Bill Laswell in the eight and
he died ninety four. Yeah,I don't know her name sounds familiar,
but Poison Ivy who the fuck isthat? Oh? From the Cramps?
Ah, would you say she isa top one hundred guitarist of all time?

(01:36:13):
No, but you can make anargument probably influential, especially that,
like I mean, the Cramps are. If you don't know who the Cramps
are, it's like campy, overthe top, like it's kind of it's
it's I guess it where the Bfifty twos came from. It's it kind
of feels like a more female friendlyversion of the Misfits as far as their
image, you know what I'm saying, Like, because the Misfits are,

(01:36:35):
like, you know, they gotthe death Locks and all this shit.
Blah blah blah blah. The Crampslike see me a little bit more female
friendly. And it was that RockAlike rockabilly punk. Oh okay, yeah,
like the like not necessarily punk,Yeah, kind of coffin cat cats

(01:36:59):
ish but not necessary like it's yeah, all the chicks in high school dressed
like Betty Page that we wanted tofuck listen to the Cramps. And nowadays
all the chicks that like Jenna orTega in that Wednesday show listened to the
Cramps. This man should be nowherenear the top two fifty and eighty eight.
Kurt Cobain. There was a songwritingone, yes, but he was

(01:37:21):
a ship again you want to goto songwriting. This guy should not be
this guys shouldn't be in top fivehundred. I'm sorry, lou Reid.
Really, Adam Corolla, that's abrave fucking eighty nine the guitar player,
not songwriter. I'm with you,I'm with you, I'm with you.
I get it. But the influence, that's it has to be that.

(01:37:44):
And dude, you know they're lookingthey're looking at the influence from a fucking
from a place of an agenda.That's excuse me from a place that's driven
by agenda. So they're looking atlike, oh, yeah, lou Reid
hung out with lgb T queer nonbinary back in the day, trans people
back in the day, so he'sgot to be high up. The first

(01:38:05):
time I heard Velvet Underground, myreaction was, Wow, how did that
band do that? Not how didthat guitar player do that? Because you
could very easily pick up on it. It's not a lot going on guitar
wise in the Velvet Underground, justsaying it's rolling stone. That's why I
said this is this is not alegit at all list. Ninety Medu Moctar

(01:38:29):
sure growing up in Niger, Sothere you go. That's I know he's
on the list. This is Seethis is the parts that I've heard about,
like where they were pulling people from, Like well, if we're going
to include, let's let's do atruly global list, and it's like who
isn't then who's influenced by these people? And by the way, if their
influence was that great, they wouldhave influenced and crossed over. That's part

(01:38:53):
of being influential as crossing over.A lot of these artists were naming I'm
sure have crossed over into other fuckingculture's musical fucking taste. You can,
damn bet, you can damn surebet. All the Jews are Jews,
jazz and blues guys who went overto fucking Europe back in the day.
We're influencing people who had no claimto that music. Ninety one some guy

(01:39:15):
named kat cor Let's just get toone hundred so we can be done with
this shit because they get too stupid. Wada wata. Yeah, once again,
the children have taken over the list. She's Asian. Let me guess
it looks like she's playing right now. Leo Nanentelli, Well, this guy's
old. Definitely, that's quite theafro. Oh okay, it's a guitar

(01:39:39):
player for the meters. You knowwho the meters are? Yeah, I
know who the meters are? OkYeah, Joe Satriani. Can I be
honest here? Obviously he's technically talented, never really moved by his plan for
the most part, Like I think, I think the thing he did that

(01:40:00):
I liked the most was his appearancewith Steve ray Vaughn and Unplugged. And
what he did that I liked themost was he covered uh uh. I
think I think, may this belove or one rainy wish by Hendricks?
And I'm like, so, whatI like most about Joe Satrianni is something
that he never does, plays acousticguitar covering a Jimmy Hendrick song. So,
in other words, I don't likeJoe Satriani. You don't remember this

(01:40:24):
the Attitude song? Or is thisno? That was Steve I this is
summer song, right? Yeah?Yeah? This is one that was on
MTV and a Sony commercial. Whywow wow wow wow wow. Yeah.
Remember when he tried to make likea sports anthem? Do you remember that?

(01:40:45):
No? Look up Joe Satriani sportsanthem? Oh boy? Yeah?
O beeah. Oh. I guessI should tell this story. It's been
twenty years. It doesn't matter anymore. One point, we had a singer
in our band who is moonlighting withanother band unquote band. It basically it
was just guys recording in their house, which is cool whatever. I mean,
they were cool guys. But he'slike, we're working on a song

(01:41:06):
called four And I said, you'reworking on what he said, a song
called Thoor And I was like,and this is now you remember this is
like two thousand and five before thisis before the Marvel shit. So I'm
like, why are you doing asong about four like the comic book character
or like the myth the mythology,And he's like, no, it's short

(01:41:29):
for the Home of Rock. Iwas like, dude, you can't be
in this band and be moonlighting andputting out songs called thoor. That's short
for the home of Rock. Ican't, like, not my band.
You can go. You see thedouchebag over there doing coke with the solid
two and a half that he thinkshe's gonna pull the night. Go do
that with that douchebag. That's whatlike, let's write a sports anthem.

(01:41:55):
That's what that type of fucking energyreminds me of. That type of shit.
All I can find is like himdoing the national anthem. Then yeah,
then they fucking either rewrote history becauseit's it was played in hockey and
uh other stadiums. For a minute, they really tried. Let me take
the word anthem ounte. What's itcalled crowd chant? That might be it.

(01:42:17):
I just know it was enough whereI was like, you gotta be
kidding me, dude, Like GaryGlitter wrote, yes, this is it.
Oh boy, it sounds like bad, like first year on the PlayStation
NHL game music, like when theyjust when they the first time they had

(01:42:42):
a compact this to work with,so they just were like, I feel
like I should be choosing my teamright now. Yes, yes, you
see what I'm saying. Like,dude, no, no, this is
such a late in the town toget your song shoehorn in the sporting events.
I just can't. I can't respectthat. Dude. That's that's cheesy

(01:43:05):
as fuck. It's not and thatis you know what I'm saying. Like
if it was organically it happened.If it organically happened, fine, Like
I said, when Gary Glitter wroterock and Roll or whatever, the rock
and Roll Part one or two?Whatever the fuck? Uh done? Nou

(01:43:25):
a donna? No, No,I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to write
a fucking song for the Pistons fansto sing about nineteen eighty nine. I
wonder is that back at stadiums yet. I've heard it a few times.
I think I think when I've heardit, I think it's been a case
of excuse me, I've heard it'sbeen a case of a young DJ who

(01:43:48):
doesn't understand that you're not supposed toplay this anymore because he's a fucking pepe
Gazer. He's a short eyed,fucking yeah see, I keep thinking about
it for Bell for blows, bedfor the bus. All right, so

(01:44:11):
what satches ninety four? Mary Timony? Timony is ninety five. I can
sit here and talk about django,Ryan Hart and gypsy jazz and how the
fact that he played with what twogood fingers she was in a helium,
But I'm just saying, like,dude, we're not We're not guitar players
who have our heads up our assesand don't know anything about anybody. They

(01:44:33):
are literally pulling Nobody's that. Whothe fuck has heard of these people?
Hey? Everyone, we just saidbefore this, they're all better than Mark
Knopfler at ninety six. There areguitar players locally here in Detroit who have
made a reputation that's lasted them fortyyears because they could get up on stage
with a stratocaster and a Marshall JTMforty five or a Fender twin, depending

(01:44:58):
on how they wanted to have alittle bit over drop or not and do
that solo note for note. That'show, That's how impressive. His playing
is to where someone covering his shithas bought people to where people forty years
later, Greg Danik at the StudioLounge played that solo note for note,
and he can still do it tothis day, and you'll hear that shit.
And if anyone who's listening to thisknows who the fuck I'm talking out,

(01:45:19):
they're going, Yep, that motherfuckercan still play this shit like that
shit last weekend ninety seven. Again, this is a This is an influence,
not a playing. Stephen Malkmus andhis Pavement really all that influential kinda
with the sound. I'd say,what what is Pavement more known for anyway?

(01:45:43):
Debt to pavements? Getting indie?What's Pavement better known for their music,
getting indie bands on him, gettingbeing one of the first indie bands
and opening door for indie bands onMTV. Or their beef with Fuckings Mashing
Pumpkins that's still going on to thisday, almost thirty years later. I
never I never knew about so actthat one off the list, Okay,

(01:46:04):
fair enough, fair enough. Ididn't know they were beefing. Yeah,
they were on a tour together,and yeah, is that why they went
away, Billy Corgan turned his thumbdown. Yeah, pretty much like it
went away. Yeah, that's that'sthat's the claim. Yeah, I'm not
even joking. I like, inthe last three four years, there was
an article about this in like uhname some of the online music fucking things

(01:46:27):
like Enemy something like that. Oneof those one of those I know that
supposedly he got him thrown off atour and basically was I will say Pavement.
When I first heard Pavement, there'slike nothing sounds like this right now.
When I first heard Pavement, thisis definitely going the other way of

(01:46:51):
grunge. Sounded happier. See thiscome out in like what ninety four them
out all this? I kept thinking, I was a freshman earlier than I
was a freshman. I was afreshman in ninety three ninety four, So
like I'm thinking, like the Matadorscene, the Matador record scene, you

(01:47:13):
had like we're not seen, butyou know what I'm saying, like you
had Liz Fair already, and LizFair is essentially the female version of this.
Jameerlely guitars with let's be honest,sometimes not in key vocals. What's
that they kicked the door open?For Weezer, right, Yeah, but
Weezer leaned into more of the poppump, the power pop side than Pavement

(01:47:33):
did because they went and got RickOkasik from the Cars to do their fucking
debut album. They really leaned intothe power pop side. And I think
what was it? The rentals cameout of Weezer to get to the bass
player left so and the rentals arepretty pretty poppy, but there also aren't
they like considered indie. I don'tknow, this is what I'm saying,

(01:47:56):
the indie sound like, That's whatI'm saying, Like indian is they're on
a major label, not indie exactlyexactly. Ah ninety eight is link Ray.
I think you should be higher.But again for influence, Yeah,
and I mean the fact that Rumblewas banned because they thought it would like

(01:48:17):
in certain cities they banned the songfrom being played in the radio because they
thought it would start riots, andlike you listen back to it and you're
like, you mean the song thatwas playing in that Quentin Tarantino movie when
they were at the fucking be Afraidpeople start slim. Yeah, Yeah,
that one, that's Rumble. That'sit. Yeah. The most famous like
two chords, like ever uh toastinAbbassi number ninety nine. Is that Animals

(01:48:45):
as Leaders guitar player or is thatAnimal Collectives or Animals as Leaders? Animals
as Leaders. I've heard some oftheir stuff. It sounds like Steve's first
solo album where you could really hearthe fucking Zappa influence. But I mean
they're out like that's like contemporaries onthis list, Like people are still like,

(01:49:05):
Okay, you have to understand.We live in a world where Billie
Eilish was given a fucking Fender signatureukulele and they launched it with the entire
fucking campaign being you can now ownthe same instrument the legend owns. And
they talked about how her influence.She even by alcohol yet, and I'm

(01:49:26):
like, she's I don't even thinkshe was legal. I think she was
literally seventeen when they launched it.I'm like, are you fucking kidding?
Yeah, Like, this guy's likestill writing his story. How is he
even on this list? And bythe way, we've gotten almost to one
hundred. I haven't heard Zach Wildeat all. And I know that Zach
Wilde because of him with Ozzy andhe's a loud mouth, and he drinks
and all this other shit, andhe played it. He played the guitar

(01:49:48):
with a rebel flag on it onceforty years ago, and oh horrible this
shit. Zach wild can play anything. He fucking sits down and wants to
play. And if you don't believeme, listening to his solo album Pride
and Glory, listen to she gunMan and his Chicken. How do you
not think he was a redneck?He's from Jersey. That's why I didn't

(01:50:08):
think he was a fucking red neck. I just thought he was in the
southern rock. But I mean whatever, it's still it's like Zach Wilde could
sit down and play that ship andit sounds like fucking better than it sounds
just better than a studio trying toredo history like it now says that Black
Label Society did this song. No, no, there's a clip, there's

(01:50:30):
okay, there's this album. Ilove this album. There's a book of
Shadows I love a little bit,well like I like less. And then
there's Black Label Society, which forthe most part, I'm like, I
don't even bother me with that wholeship. Just keep that over there.
Everyone, But that's about it.Like two three songs this hell yeah,

(01:50:55):
dude, okay, hold on fastforward to the solo this Soloh yeah,
Well there's the long build up toit, which is cool in and of
itself, but we don't need todo the build up to it. Oh,

(01:51:15):
you can keep going, trust me, you'll hear the build up now
because he takes it way down.Yep. No, I think with Zach

(01:51:36):
you got to hear the builds upbecause they always had it. No more
tears and I hate that. Iknow, I know, but that sounds
like that initially sent that could beAlmond Brothers. Yeah, and then look,
had Dwayne Lived made an album inthe nineties and he just hits that

(01:52:09):
rohto vibe and just pushes forward upand or no, hits it back so
he gets that longer sweep on it. Yeah, dun this part this is

(01:52:29):
what impresses me. God damn it. It's so cleanly picked. Oh my
god, is every note alternate pickedclean as fuck? Man? Oh my
god, dude, that's that's techniquefrom hell. I reached like one time
jamming and it was like, Imean, I had my entire life for

(01:52:50):
years at this point had been guitar. I reached a speed close to that,
to the point where my bass playerfucked up and he was like,
dude, could you do that again? I'm like, no, no.
It was one of those moments that'snot how this works. Man. By
the way, number really over,Dave musstayne if we're going with the fucking

(01:53:15):
big four of thrash. To me, oh boy, so my friends hear
this whatever, I'll say it drunkin the garage on Sunday, I don't
care let them attack me. Uh. To me, Carrie King is like
the guitar version of Lars al Rick. Like when you're younger, you think
he's really good, and then whenyou get older, you're like, all

(01:53:40):
this motherfucker's doing is using the wamibar and running a bunch of scales and
nothing he's playing is really in key. I remember this, very, very
very vividly when Seasons and the Abysscome out carry King and Jeff Henneman did
a fucking interview with Guitar World andthey were asking him out there playing.
They said, we seem to havean interviewer was basically like us at the

(01:54:05):
at the Guitar World offices. Itseems like you guys really would shed like
you put the time in on thisalbum, dude. Like the band Rick
Rubin and their label were like,go take lessons, Go take lessons.
This is Seasons in the Abyss.Is how many albums into Slayer's career,
like three or four? Yeah?Yeah, because the next album that came

(01:54:28):
out after Seasons in the Abyss wasDecade of Aggression, their live double album
career retrospective, So that come outin what ninety two and their First Time
come out in eighty two or eightyone. So yeah, ten years into
your music career and you have totake guitar lessons. Oh and by the
way, they made them sit downand plot out and write out their solos
and they said you will learn them. That's why if you listen to Decade

(01:54:53):
of Aggression and you go back andlisten to any of the fucking songs off
of Seasons in the Abyss that theyplay, nope, note those solos are
done a note for a fucking notebecause they drilled it into their heads.
And I love Slayer, but theyare not great guitar players by any means
in that band. Let's see,I got in the lists I met like

(01:55:13):
one fifty still no sign of ZachWilde And yeah, I knew Carry King
was trash. All you have todo. You know what, carry k
Oh boy a lot of hot takesfor some metal head. The end of
No Sleep Till Brooklyn, Nothing aboutthat is anywhere near the key. It
is just guitar noise with a whammybar and he's just doing tremolo picking and

(01:55:36):
just going down his neck in arandom fucking panic. Yeah, yeah,
that's yes. When people were likewhen I was a kid, could you
play the solo in that, I'mlike, I don't think he could replicate
that solo in that. I thinkthat was just random bullshit. The one
solo was just him plucking one noteand hitting the whammy bar. Yeah,
you know, Carrie King is notgreat. It's like for drummers with Lars,

(01:56:01):
when you first started playing drums,Oh, Lars is awesome, and
then Moyes learn about drums, you'relike, Lars is not good. Like
I heard Kill Them All remastered theother day. I was like, Oh,
just makes those fucking missed hits standout even more. Like Lars is
one of those drummers. It's likehe works from Metallica and I don't understand

(01:56:24):
why people are like, well,you wouldn't work in Mega Death. Yeah,
most drummer wouldn't work in Mega Death. I only read it. I
didn't get into the minutia of thearticle, but I read the headline of
the article was apparently when I gathered, Lars didn't start rehearsing until like fucking
five years ago, like for toursand shit, there you go rockstars,
folks. Well, yeah, thestudio has been able to fucking save his

(01:56:46):
ass for the last twenty years.Like you know, on the early recordings,
you hear all his mishit, whichyou think, oh, this was
the best take, especially on KillThem All, Like oh these are the
best takes. Huh. Yeah,But since two thousand, fucking triggers can
save his ass. Pro tools andtriggers can fucking make him sound like he's
fucking Like on their new album,he sounds like a g But it's like,

(01:57:08):
you know, he can't play thatdude. Whatever. I don't.
I don't sure, I don't.I don't join in on all the hate
for Lars that he gets. Ijust don't. I'm like, he's fine
for Metallica, and I've never reallyheard him try to do anything else,
So why would I hate at him. He stayed in his lane. I
can hate out him for Napster moreI can hate him for fucking his Drummond

(01:57:30):
and Metallica. I've reversed course onthat. He was the canarian. He
was just trying to be the canaryin the coal mine for the music industry,
Like, hey man, Gravey train'sabout to end if we don't fucking
get ahead of this shit. Yeah, but he did. You also hear
what he fucking has said recently.Yeah, I was wrong on Napster.
I should have embraced it like wedid tape trading, and we could have
fucking monetized it. Instead we spentall our money fighting it. And meanwhile,

(01:57:55):
by the time basically we locked abarn door after the horses have been
stolen. Yeah, it was that, you know, the shit was out
there. So he even he's beenlike, right, idea, wrong execution,
should have went a different route,And I'm like, you know what,
which I could agree with that,Yeah, you know it was it
was electronic tape trading. That's prettymuch. I mean, that's a pretty
fucking self aware, nuanced take forsomeone like Lars so I got to give

(01:58:20):
it to him. I've seen somekind of monster. That's them. Guys
are up their own asses a lot, a lot. So that's pretty self
aware take for a guy like Lars. So I guess God, when they
made that movie, they were probablylike our age is now and they all
didn't They all have substance abuse,wouldn't James, Like, Yeah, he
was gone for half the filming.I think they followed him for three years

(01:58:40):
for that documentary, and I thinklike a year and a half he was
just gone. He went to rehaband he left and because yeah, because
I remember there's one point Lars inUh in the documentary, Lars and Uh
Kurt go to see fucking Echo EchoBrain, Jason Newstad's new band, and
they're talking about like and then ironthat we just do you know, we
basically made it so he had toquit the band and we don't even know

(01:59:04):
if we have a band anymore atthis point, like it had been a
year and a half since they'd evenfucking seen James, by the way,
walked down in the middle of arecording session pieced out for a year and
a half or whatever. Dude,that's I'd have thought the band was over
too, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm sure Roger Waters wanted
to break up Pink Floyd over lessthan that, right, And by the

(01:59:25):
way, let's let's let's go backto one that we just kind of glossed
over. I don't think David Gilmourgets in a fucking respect, Nope,
because he is a consummate creator ofwriting a solo. His solos have they
all tell stories. They have abeginning, a middle, and an end.
And even when he embellishes on moreof their jammy stuff, he always

(01:59:47):
hit the marks that he needed tohit while he improvised around it. But
do you know why? Do youknow how he wrote his solos? He
did a million takes. I likethis one, I like like this one
for the beginning, I like thisone for the next and then he sat
down and played it or did theysplice it together? Yeah, he turned
they spliced it basically just a puzzlepiece, and then he'd learn it,

(02:00:09):
which is impressive. Well you knowyou know who? Uh, I can't
believe I just uh fucking ship Portosfirst album was samples and live instrumentation.
The second album is that they wouldpick samples and the band would record themselves

(02:00:30):
playing the samples and then put itonto a record and then sample themselves that
they'd recorded. I mean, itwas it. So that's what I'm getting
at, Like there's a there's athere's definitely a craft to doing that.
I know people are like, oh, it sounds like studio trickery. It
it's not as easy as it sounds. It's not as easy as he played

(02:00:51):
ten takes and they took parts fromall ten takes, spliced them together and
called that the solo. If theydid that, and then he learned that
solo. He's doing ten different takesand he has to learn how to piece
them together. Like I said,like a puzzle piece, you have to
hit your marks, tell your storybecause it's like a song about a solo.

(02:01:15):
And also, by the way,my favorite Pink Floyd riffs, it's
a lesson in bends. Well.Also, no one ever talks about he's
got tasty tone and he knows howto apply different tones when needed, which
a lot of guitar players don't knowhow to do. I was one who
had a signature tone where people go, that's rich. I can tell by

(02:01:38):
his tone. But if like heasked, me to change it up.
I'd be like, you want itclean, I can roll off the voluble,
all right. So now that we'vegot ourselves band off of half of

(02:01:58):
the fucking places, we're gonna tryto post this for copyright Infringementtone's fault,
do we have we have anything else? Or we want to call it a
no. I think we're rolling overtwo hours. If you didn't like who
told you? If you didn't likemusic, this wasn't for you one in
the episode for you, Yes,sorry about shutting it out. And this
article came out, and we're twoguitar players and we had feelings. I

(02:02:19):
mean, I got to say overallpretty much what I expected. Nothing really
to like get upset about because it'slike I considered the source, it's Rolling
Stone. I don't go to themfor deep, nuanced takes and understanding of
musical history anymore. I used to. Well, I wrote them off twenty
five years ago when they put BritneySpears on the cover. I was like,
and it's over, we see Ithe ex wife's well, yeah,

(02:02:45):
the ex wife's mother. So myformer mother in law got me like a
two year subscription for Christmas. Oneyear and the ex wife re upped it
for like another year, So Ithink it was like from two thousand and
one to two thousand and four,I had a subscription, and dude,
it's Rolling Stones, So where's itend up? In the bathroom, That's
where it ends up. So Idid a lot of reading a Rolling Stone.

(02:03:05):
They still had good articles and shit, you just had to dig for
it between the bullshit and nonsense.Oh, I had a subscription at one
point in my life. Oh yeah, for sure. But now two thousand
and three to twenty thirteen. Intwenty thirteen, I went over to a
buddy's house and him and his fuckingwife had a subscription and they had just
gotten it like six seven months prior. And I'm going through Rolling Stone in

(02:03:28):
twenty thirteen, going, yeah,there's pretty much nothing in here for me
at this point. This is literallyaimed at people who I would be uncomfortable
trying to holler at. You knowwhat I'm saying. So I feel like
you're the old man at the club, exactly exactly, So why would I
read this shit? You know?So? Yeah, I can't imagine it's
any better another ten years later fromthere, Yeah, agreed, Well go

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