Since the Generation Bold Podcast aired six years ago, partially because of Covid and partially because the baby boomers are aging, we have all taken a fresh look at senior residential communities, from past failures to the new, uplifting way they offer care. Kin Village displays all the attributes of the latest trends in assisted living and continuing care residential communities. The Kinsman, a service club, started the organization about a half-century ago. From humble beginnings, Kin Village now serves hundreds of people every day. The community center's hub offers programs and services around what residents love to do, including jazzercise and ballroom dancing. You will discover: · How to assess a residential community, not only for the activities it provides but for the encouragement and inclusion that engages you or your loved one to participate. · How ageism is still an issue in some residences, and what you can do about it. · How the tide is turning to less ageist views and what it can mean to a vibrant senior residential community. Dan is on the board of the International Federation on Ageing. You will hear the challenges and issues, including older women, technology, environmentalism, and healthcare equity, the IFA is tackling now and at its 16TH ANNUAL CONFERENCE on July 27 in Bangkok, Thailand.
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When I look in the mirror,I don't see wrinkles. When I look
in the mirror, I see hairon my head, not my shoulder.
Hello. Hello, Hello, Thisis Generation Bold and this is Adrian Berg.
And what do we talk about here? What we talk about aging?
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But we talk about the fountain oftruth about aging? What is true?
Now? Aging has two faces,just like Janice. Remember that from mythology.
One faces backwards, and that isthe decline of aging, the issues
of aging, the dependency you mayhave as we age. The other faces
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forward. What is new about aging? What can we do in the next
stage of our life that is moreexciting than any other stage of our life?
And people have asked where he recentlydid a program in the UK,
and they ask, what's it liketo age in the United States? My
goodness, The answer is it dependsAnd what does it depend upon? Well,
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it depends upon who you know,what your axis is, and more
than anything else, what your outlookis for the future. And that's why
the International Federation on Aging is reallysuch an important organization. It brings together
organizations of aging throughout the world,and they're going to have one of their
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most important conferences, the sixteenth AnnualConference in Bangkok. I'll be pleased to
be there, not only speaking butalso producing a show for all of you.
And one of the people that's goingto make that conference terrific is with
us today. His name is DanLevitt. He is the CEO of Kin
Village and that is in Vancouver,wonderful city. If you haven't been there,
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you should be going. And he'salso on the board. He's a
member of the board of the IFAAnd there are some very special reasons of
everyone. We wanted to have himhere because he's a supporter. Let's call
him a cheerleader for people who areolder, so that the face that they
showed the world is the forward lookingface. Thank you Dan for being with
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us today. Great to be here. Well, first of all, let's
get the little background kin Village.That's ki n and of course that has
a connotation that we're family. Youknow, we're Kin, So tell us
a little bit about Kin Village.Sure, so, how did Kin Village
get its name? The Kinsmen,which are a service club. They started
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the organization about a half century agoand from humble beginnings, we now serve
hundreds of people every day, threehundred people called kin Village their home.
We offer long term care, assista living, independent living for affordable housing
style services, and we also havethe Hub. Really the center of kin
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Village is this community center that offersall sorts of programs and services, the
kinds of things that you might seein a senior's home, sorry, seniors
community center, but also the kindsof things that we all would love to
do, pilates and jazz or sizeballroom dancing. Of course, we have
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bingo as well. And inside thatcommunity center there's a cafe, there's used
clothing store selling high end clothing forreduced prices, and we have other community
services. We have a day programfor older adults that helps keep people independent
for longer and gives relief, somerespite to the spouse who's caring for their
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loved one. And we also havethings like meals on wheels bring bringing nutritions
food to people's homes, cooked righthere in kin Village. And we have
a new program called Social Prescribe,being that some of your listeners may not
have heard it before, where yougo see your doctor and instead of getting
that medical prescription, that kind ofis that signature thing that we all do
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when we see our doctor, thedoctor would give you a prescription for social
services and connections in your life,and so we help navigate people from that
prescription and get them the kind ofservices they need to age healthy. So
that's kin Village. And we're aboutto break ground on a new affordable housing
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program that was funded through our federalgovernment, and we'll be able to serve
many more seniors with affordable housing.So we're really excited about our future and
what the next half century of kinVilge will look like. Well, that's
wonderful now when you speak, manythoughts that come into my mind. There
are best practices in ccrcs. Andfor those of you who also know what
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a CCRC is, it's a continuingcare continuing care residential communities and that means
that you can start an independent livingand go all the way up sometimes to
memory care depending on the residence.And I'm thinking, my mind is being
brought to the best practices that I'veseen here and there. A Jewish Home
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for the Age, for example,they have incredible programs for engagement, like
they even have a museum and artmuseum. I've visited other places where they
have respite care for the caregivers,and of course some places that people put
together themselves cohousing, where they dogo out to the community and they do
wonderful things like create the meals thatthey bring out to the community, not
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just waiting for the community to comein and help them. But what Kin
Village seems to have done is takenall of these disparate elements and put them
together so that you've got all therichness that you need. Now, that's
probably the differentiator. So I wantto ask you a jugular question, and
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wait till you hear this one,because I didn't ask you about this,
Dan. Do people show up?Let me explain. I have seen activities
that are open to the residents andthey don't come. And have been asked,
oh, how do we get peopleto come, even to our bingo,
they don't come, let alone tothe more complicate things. And the
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answer is to me, find outwho's going and make them your emissary to
the risk. That's my way ofdoing it. But do they come?
How active is your group? Wellthat's a good question. I mean,
most of us if we belong toa club, and I'm a runner,
so I belong to some running clubswith mostly the same people. And like,
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I got a text yesterday from oneof the leaders of our run club
for Friday morning and he said,we'll see you tomorrow. We're meeting here
at this time. I'm like,thanks, can't wait to see you there.
So I don't know if he's sayingthat that email or that text to
everyone else, but just the factthat I got that invitation, I felt
that much more welcome. So itdoes mean that you know the leader of
whatever the program is, and youmentioned a few um whatever that thing is.
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It might be ukulele lessons that mycousin was actually teaching here. And
it does mean that you have somebneywho is making sure that the people who
are attending that that session or thecourse, if you will, the program
are attending regularly and you know,engaging creating those social connections. And one
little secret is food makes a hugedifference, as we all know, if
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there's a social component to it.So maybe after after a program as mentioned
pilates earlier, or fitness anything relatedto fitness, well all of us like
to have like maybe a cup ofcoffee, a team a snack afterwards and
really connects socially with people that wejust exercise with for forty five minutes to
an hour. So those social connectionsreally help to improve attendance, and also
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having a good instructor and a lotof fun and maybe some good music blasting
and the background. So there aretwo listens here because we have a variety
in our audience. Some of youare caregivers, caregivers to older adults who
are in sub form of a seniorresidential community. Others of you are within
that community. You're actually the professionalsin the community. So what's the takeaway.
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The takeaway is it's not the fieldof dreams. If you build it,
they probably will not come. You'vegot to do more than that.
So if you're a caregiver and you'reworried, is mom or dad going to
get engaged? Are they going tolanguish? See how the invitations go.
Don't just go and look at theschedules. Oh, look at all the
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things they have. That is bogusbecause if people aren't showing up to them,
who cares? So you have toask the other question, how do
you engage your people to participate inthese things? And that is if you're
a caregiver or you voluntarily are goinginto some sort of a residence. And
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the other is if you're an operator, you can't just have an activity director
and activities. You have to havethat reach out program as kin Village does.
Now, before we take a littlebreakdown, I just let everybody know
how to find kin Village on theweb. It's really easy to find kin
Village ki n v I lage dotorg and kin Village is there. And
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we'd love you to visit our websiteand check us out and send us a
message. We'd love to connect withanyone listening. Well, you know,
I'm hoping that you will. Becausefor those of you who are looking for
a place and they happen to belocal, well, of course that's a
great answer kin Village. For thoseof you who are you can see what
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a model looks like, because manyof you have parents who are pushing back
or you yourself phone wondering is itright, So you can see what a
good place looks like before you getdeep into the issues. All right,
when we come back, I dowant to talk about the I f A.
I want to talk about why youare so excited to be on the
board and what this conference is allabout, because it pulls the world of
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travel, we have Dan Livit withus. We're both going to be traveling.
We're going to be traveling in Bangkok. Why because we are being speakers
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at a wonderful conference the International Federationon Aging the i FA. And of
course Dan Livit is on the boardof the IFA, and I am the
United Nations one of the five UnitedNations representatives from the IFA, so we
have a lot in common. Welove the organization and of course, as
you just heard, Dan is alsothe CEO of Kin Village and not for
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profit Continuing Care residential community. Solet's go to you, Dan. So
you are excited, I think asI am. Tell us a little bit
about the conference. I know you'llbe speaking there and what you're looking forward
to. Well, I'm really lookingforward to this conference at the end of
June in Bangkok. We know thataround the world, the population's age and
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there are challenges and opportunities that arisewith an aging population. I like to
see of that rising tide of populationof older adults as an opportunity rather than
a challenge. And there are challengesobviously, but getting together for this this
conference. It really is a mustattend event for anyone in the field of
aging, and we're gonna look atat various issues. There's going to be
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some great peynote speakers, there's workshops, there's sessions, there's networking opportunities,
and you know, the theme ofthe conference this year is called Challenge,
Change, Transform. So the commitmentof IFA, the International Federation of Aging,
really is on promoting human rights ofolder adults, and there'll be things
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like age friendly environments focused on there. One of the big pushes is making
sure that immunizations available for older adults. How can older adults maintain and improve
their function as they age. Willbe looking at something that I love,
talking about digital technologies and practice whichreally I think are still underutilized for older
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adults and for the ah sechtector.And of course, as women do live
longer than men, the rights ofolder women are particularly important. So this
conference will be leaders experts from aroundthe world. I'm talking about the latest
research, breast practices and innovations andall these are focused on improving the lives
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of older adults. So we havea very exciting conference in Bangkok coming up
well it certainly is, and Iwant to unpack some of this. One
of the things that you mentioned wasfunctionality, and I want to focus on
that, and I also want tospeak about then in the context of aging
in general and kin village in particular. Right, So functionality, this is
what we've learned as we age.And I'm seventy five. I have friends
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who are eighty five and ninety andI have friends who are forty five.
And the age really, scientifically isnot that important. The chronologic number is
what we're fixated on. In theUS, we are very age essential.
Canada is not much better, tobe honest, But when a geroscience scientists
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looks at us, they don't lookat that. They look at numbers,
analytics. What's your kidney function?And what's your heart function? What's your
bone marrow counts? When we lookat it, when we as human beings
look at it, what we're askingourselves is how do I feel? Can
I do it? Am I ableto go on the pickle ball court today
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or not? And we're mostly thinkingwhen we say beginning old, we really
don't mean the days have gone byor the numbers are different, because mostly
we don't know the numbers. Whatwe mean is we can't open the pickle
jar anymore. Our functionality has changed. So let's take a look at that.
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It's really a man of And Ihad a geroscideist say he wants to
die healthy, and what he meantwas he wants to feel good until the
very end and then have a stroke. But the point is that that is
the gold standard there, not somuch not having a diagnosis, but feeling
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great anyway. So tell us aboutthat. How is that fostered and what
do you see the future of that? Since you you like technology and we
know AI may even have a partof that helping us with that functionality.
So it's an interesting thing when welook at about technology and aging, and
I think that the partable technology I'mreally excited about is the idea that we
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can create smart homes as your smartapartment for older adults as they age,
so that it could be wearables,it could be sensors, it could be
some AI in your house, andthat you can even predict when an adverse
event might happen based on your iometricindicators and based on patterns and modifying your
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home so that if you're getting upin the middle of night to go to
the bathroom. As you move,there's already a bed sensor that is sending
some data that as soon as youmove in a way that suggests you're going
to get out of bed, thelights on some flooring lights turn on and
helps you get your way to thebathroom. And then even the bathroom self
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could be economically designed to help youreduce a fall so you can get back
to bed safely. I mean,that's just one little example of where technology
can be used in helping people agein their home for longer. You know,
the part of aging that I getreally excited about is that the choice
we have. Those of us whohave the choice and the ability to make
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it, which I think is thevast majority of us, in our own
way one way the other can takethat first step forward. That first step
forward might be spending more time beingmobile. And the mobility aspect is the
number one indicator for a long lifeand for being healthy. And as a
person who's a runner, I havehad faster running times and races I compete
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in in my age category. I'mpodium getting on the podium, and I
run faster now than I did tentwenty years ago. I'm going to the
same race as I first done overa decade ago, and I'm beating my
own time. So I figure ifI can do this, then other people
can do it too. People thinksome things are only for younger people,
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but I'm of the belief that witha different mindset, a different positivity aspect
to growing older, we can putour minds and bodies to just vote anything
and choose to live a healthy life. It does involve sacrifices, but those
sacrifices, from my point of view, paid dividends in the future, So
that's kind of my perspective, andtechnologies part of that to kind of give
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us that that's soft landing, ifyou will, so that we can stay
in our homes as long as possible. So you know that this is wonderful
and it is exciting, and itis the way I feel. And I
use a biomarker every day. It'sonly a ninety dollars scale, but it
does tell me my metabolic age.There's many other parts of aging, but
at least it tells me my metabolicage, and I do things to lower
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that age. And I'm hoping formore biomarkers to let me know how I'm
doing, and I'll let all youguys know how I'm doing. And because
I've got these biomarkers, I discoveredI really do have high blood pressure and
it is affecting my kidneys, nojoke, and I'm doing something about it
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every day. But here it is. Then as we wrap up this segment,
I want to go to the nextI'm very privileged, and frankly,
most of my friends are, andmost of the people listening to this show
are, so I can bring inan army of that technology. I can
buy any pill I want. IfI want a neutraceutical because it's good for
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my kidneys, I can go outand pay fifty dollars a month out of
my pocket. Now you're a nonprofit. When we come back, I do
want to talk about another thing youmentioned, which was human rights, and
particularly human rights of women and butin general, the human right to access
all of these longevity techniques. Ithink that's going to be the new issue.
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We talk about healthcare access and equality, I think longevity equality is going
to come with it. I'll explainthat a bit more, and I want
to hear your take on this asactually a somebody who's really running a major
organization for old adults, but alsoas a thought leader in the field of
aging. So you guys, don'tyou go anywhere? But that doesn't bother
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All right, age? Well,now where he with Dan Levitt? And
he is a board member of theIFA International Federation of Aging, and he
is the CEO of kin Village,which of course is a continuing care a
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residential community in Vancouver. So twoissues related. One is that you are
talking about incredible AI. You're talkingabout lights that come out, which I
wish I had. I actually walkaround with a book light at night so
I could see where I'm going whenall the lights are off. And in
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other words, makeshift stuff that allthis wonderful thing, but they all cost
money. And I equipped during thebreak, you're going to put yourself out
of business. If everybody has allthis in their home, what did they
need to go into a residential communityfor? And what did you say,
Dan, Well, yeah, it'strue, we're not building enough of these
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places. I think post COVID peoplesaw what happened during the pandemic in these
places, and unfortunately that was thestory the media told. It was the
reality in some cases, but notthe majority. The vast majority of places
are wonderful places to be. Ido inspections. I'm a surveyor for a
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credition Canada, and I go aroundthe country looking at long term care homes
and I can tell you all theones I've seen our top notch and I
would put my own parents in there, I would live there myself. So
but we are going to have tohave more supports in the community because we're
not building enough places for the increasingdemand and for services. So we do
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have to kind of wire up,if you will, where we're living.
And I think that's really the waythe future is more home based and community
supported services for older adults. Asa age. Yes, I was at
Leading Age a few times, andthat is a conference for nonprofit nonprofit CCRC's
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assisted livings nursing homes, and theyhad many many sessions at those conferences on
how the existing facilities can actually goout into the community and give the same
care at home. So you certainlynot alone in thinking this. But let's
take a look at the money,honey, on this one. You've got
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wonderful technology, but even a computer, even the hardware, costs money.
As I mentioned, things that havenothing to do with technology, like a
nutraceutical that might be good for yourhealth or myself, you know, I'm
always very transparent with my people.I am now learning about juicing, so
I can detox a little bit morethan I used to. So I just
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vote a juicer and they some juiceswith seven hundred dollars. Now I WoT
one for one hundred and fifty tosee if I do it, because I
never go into my kitchen. Buteven that's expensive. So in every little
detail of longevity living, it becomesdifficult to understand how we're going to get
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everybody on an equal footing if thingsare uncovered. Now, as a thought
leader, what do you say aboutthis? Well, yeah, it's a
good question. Probably not one sizefits all for everybody. Obviously, people
who can afford to, from mypoint of view, should be investing the
money in making their own homes ortheir apartments age friendly. And it does
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take a tough personal conversation with yourself, check in looking in the mirror and
saying, hey, you know,I really do need or UM I will
need this, and now's the timeto make those those adjustments. UM.
There are some some UM NGOs thatare funding UM technology UM. For example,
I know of help age is asfunds for helping seniors older adults with
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uh digital literacy, and they willprovide a computer. They even provide internet
UM costs for a little while anduntil the person's kind of on their own
UM and as doing it. Sothere are areas out there places where you
can get UM the stuff donated,and I think there are some really amazing
organizations in the community where you're living. I guess the other thing is to
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look at does your telecommunications company thatyou're currently buying your phone from, our
internet or other services UM do inyour cable vision if you still have it,
UM do they offer these these thesepackages? And I know that there
are government incentives and company incentives tokeep your business. So this is why
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way of getting those things kind ofpackaged in together. And yes it will
cost you more money, but hopefullythe additional costs are worth the expense.
It's certainly a lot of us havea tough time with this idea of prevention.
We all understand it, but we'renot willing to invest it because but
the truth is, if you spenda dollar now, you'll save ten dollars
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down the road. So it's reallyimportant. And your quality of life,
I think is such a thing.Your health if you don't have health,
then you're really out of luck.So you spend a little bit of your
wealth, make some other sacrifices ifyou're able to, and then invest in
yourself and I think your future selfwill be grateful because of it. That's
certainly our words of wisdom. Butyou did say the word COVID. So
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what did can village do during theCOVID years? We did okay in relation
to kind of the places that madethe headlines internationally or even locally. We
were kind of blessed in the senseof we're located on a peninsula, kind
of isolated away from the rest ofGreater Vancouver. However, COVID did arrive
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and it did have a significant impact. We were blessed again by the time
that COVID did show up here inEarnest, the infectial prevention control measures were
well practiced, and we had plentyof protective equipment for staff, and a
community really rallied around and support eachother, and we were able to do
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things like cohorting staff and the peoplewho lived here. The repercussions of all
this was that we talked about humanrights of older people. Is that families
were separated, and I think noone who moved into a care home or
operated them, or licenses them,inspects them. No one really ever thought
that we ever separate people from theirfamilies, or that people will be stuck
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in their in their rooms for worldlyweeks, sometimes months, even on ends
in some situations. So I thinkwhat COVID has taught us is that going
forward, we have to reimagine,reinvent, redesign the way that we care
for older people so that families andtheir loved ones are never separated and in
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fact encouraging opportunities for them to spenda meaningful time together that is non institutional,
meaning that if you're want to visityour loved one living in care,
why not sit down with them fora meal so that they can host you.
Maybe you pay for it, butthey feel like they're they're hosting you.
It brings dignity and value and makingsure that there's places for getting outside
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and enjoying the fresh air. Ithink it's a right of people in Canada
to complain about the weather, right. We should never deny it an older
person living in care that right.And there's so many other aspects of life
in care that we have to takea hard look at. And make sure
that we're doing the best. Ofcourse we do care well, that's a
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given. But how are we valuingseeing older people so that we're combating lowliness,
helplessness and boredom and that people havethe opposite experience and they do activities
and things inform relationships with people thatare meaningful and will last a lifetime.
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So when we when we come back, we're going to wrap this up with
the big question, which is howcan we as individuals fight agism. I
have my thoughts, You have yourthoughts. Because agism is insidious and often
it's undetected. It seems right.We might say, oh, she looks
good for her age, and wethink we're giving a compliment. So we
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come back. We will continue thisconversation and don't you guys go anywhere.
But that doesn't bother me. Noteven happy man appropriate for my age.
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You may think that bother me.Not even because I am happy, I'm
inappropriate. Oh my hello, hello, Hello, this is Adrian Bergen.
This is Generation Bowl, the Fountainof Truth, the fountain of truth about
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aging. We're all prepared to goto Bangkok, of all places, the
second time I've been there. Bythe way, interesting city, a city
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Dan Levitt, I guess spoke about, uh less cost because you have to
do it out of pocket here,but there it's cheaper. And I've even
known people who have cancer and otherissues like prostect cancer go there and get
better treatment. So we're talking abouta world where there are halves and have
nots, and some of this iscreated by what we generally called the ism
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agism. What does it mean?Well, Dan Levitt should know because he
is on the board of the InternationalFederation of Aging and he's also the CEO
of Kin Village. So Dan,before we wrap up with this concept of
aging and how excited we are,we have to admit that agism is a
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factor in an age of central nationand culture. First, tell us again
how to find kin Village and thenyour take on agism as it is today
and if it's different in your opinionfrom Canada to the US. So thank
you for the question. I'm againto find kin Village online, go to
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kinon Village dot org, KI,n v I l l age dot org
and we'd love to have you lookaround and give us feedback on our website
and what we do love to hearfrom you. So what is agism?
Before the break Adrian you mentioned theterm you look good for your age.
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So when someone says that to me, my response back to that person is
I take a moment and I lookat them and smile and I'd say you
look good for your age too,and then they kind of take a step
back and think, oh, whatdid I just say. And if I
hear someone say something that I perceiveto be agist, I will call them
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in. If you will, I'lltake them. I'll wait and I'll say
that that thing that you said,especially for public speaking or at the meeting,
I'll say that thing you said.This is how we interpret it,
so you know, we know.Age ism is the discrimination, the prejudices,
the beliefs about other people as aage, and it's also internalized.
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We might look at ourselves and thinkof ourselves differently than we would otherwise because
of the year we were born.And I truly believe being positive about the
future and being optimistic that yes,agism is there and young people experience it,
specially in the workplace, as doolder people. However, what I
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really wanted to kind of focus onand celebrate is the fact that I think
the tide shifting and I think it'snow okay with all the things going around
about diversity, equity inclusion, thatwe're finally seeing older people on the front
cover of fashion magazines and you don'tdance. Speaking about magazines, we recently
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had Martha Stewart on the cover ofSports Illustrated for her swimsuit issue. So
yes, perhaps the future really islooking forward. You know what I'm going
to say to you guys, justbecause of that, get out their kids
and make it happen appropriate
When I look in the mirror,I don't see wrinkles. When I look
in the mirror, I see hairon my head, not my shoulder.
Hello. Hello, Hello, Thisis Generation Bold and this is Adrian Berg.
And what do we talk about here? What we talk about aging?
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But we talk about the fountain oftruth about aging? What is true?
Now? Aging has two faces,just like Janice. Remember that from mythology.
One faces backwards, and that isthe decline of aging, the issues
of aging, the dependency you mayhave as we age. The other faces
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forward. What is new about aging? What can we do in the next
stage of our life that is moreexciting than any other stage of our life?
And people have asked where he recentlydid a program in the UK,
and they ask, what's it liketo age in the United States? My
goodness, The answer is it dependsAnd what does it depend upon? Well,
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it depends upon who you know,what your axis is, and more
than anything else, what your outlookis for the future. And that's why
the International Federation on Aging is reallysuch an important organization. It brings together
organizations of aging throughout the world,and they're going to have one of their
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most important conferences, the sixteenth AnnualConference in Bangkok. I'll be pleased to
be there, not only speaking butalso producing a show for all of you.
And one of the people that's goingto make that conference terrific is with
us today. His name is DanLevitt. He is the CEO of Kin
Village and that is in Vancouver,wonderful city. If you haven't been there,
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you should be going. And he'salso on the board. He's a
member of the board of the IFAAnd there are some very special reasons of
everyone. We wanted to have himhere because he's a supporter. Let's call
him a cheerleader for people who areolder, so that the face that they
showed the world is the forward lookingface. Thank you Dan for being with
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us today. Great to be here. Well, first of all, let's
get the little background kin Village.That's ki n and of course that has
a connotation that we're family. Youknow, we're Kin, So tell us
a little bit about Kin Village.Sure, so, how did Kin Village
get its name? The Kinsmen,which are a service club. They started
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the organization about a half century agoand from humble beginnings, we now serve
hundreds of people every day, threehundred people called kin Village their home.
We offer long term care, assista living, independent living for affordable housing
style services, and we also havethe Hub. Really the center of kin
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Village is this community center that offersall sorts of programs and services, the
kinds of things that you might seein a senior's home, sorry, seniors
community center, but also the kindsof things that we all would love to
do, pilates and jazz or sizeballroom dancing. Of course, we have
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bingo as well. And inside thatcommunity center there's a cafe, there's used
clothing store selling high end clothing forreduced prices, and we have other community
services. We have a day programfor older adults that helps keep people independent
for longer and gives relief, somerespite to the spouse who's caring for their
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loved one. And we also havethings like meals on wheels bring bringing nutritions
food to people's homes, cooked righthere in kin Village. And we have
a new program called Social Prescribe,being that some of your listeners may not
have heard it before, where yougo see your doctor and instead of getting
that medical prescription, that kind ofis that signature thing that we all do
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when we see our doctor, thedoctor would give you a prescription for social
services and connections in your life,and so we help navigate people from that
prescription and get them the kind ofservices they need to age healthy. So
that's kin Village. And we're aboutto break ground on a new affordable housing
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program that was funded through our federalgovernment, and we'll be able to serve
many more seniors with affordable housing.So we're really excited about our future and
what the next half century of kinVilge will look like. Well, that's
wonderful now when you speak, manythoughts that come into my mind. There
are best practices in ccrcs. Andfor those of you who also know what
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a CCRC is, it's a continuingcare continuing care residential communities and that means
that you can start an independent livingand go all the way up sometimes to
memory care depending on the residence.And I'm thinking, my mind is being
brought to the best practices that I'veseen here and there. A Jewish Home
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for the Age, for example,they have incredible programs for engagement, like
they even have a museum and artmuseum. I've visited other places where they
have respite care for the caregivers,and of course some places that people put
together themselves cohousing, where they dogo out to the community and they do
wonderful things like create the meals thatthey bring out to the community, not
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just waiting for the community to comein and help them. But what Kin
Village seems to have done is takenall of these disparate elements and put them
together so that you've got all therichness that you need. Now, that's
probably the differentiator. So I wantto ask you a jugular question, and
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wait till you hear this one,because I didn't ask you about this,
Dan. Do people show up?Let me explain. I have seen activities
that are open to the residents andthey don't come. And have been asked,
oh, how do we get peopleto come, even to our bingo,
they don't come, let alone tothe more complicate things. And the
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answer is to me, find outwho's going and make them your emissary to
the risk. That's my way ofdoing it. But do they come?
How active is your group? Wellthat's a good question. I mean,
most of us if we belong toa club, and I'm a runner,
so I belong to some running clubswith mostly the same people. And like,
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I got a text yesterday from oneof the leaders of our run club
for Friday morning and he said,we'll see you tomorrow. We're meeting here
at this time. I'm like,thanks, can't wait to see you there.
So I don't know if he's sayingthat that email or that text to
everyone else, but just the factthat I got that invitation, I felt
that much more welcome. So itdoes mean that you know the leader of
whatever the program is, and youmentioned a few um whatever that thing is.
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It might be ukulele lessons that mycousin was actually teaching here. And
it does mean that you have somebneywho is making sure that the people who
are attending that that session or thecourse, if you will, the program
are attending regularly and you know,engaging creating those social connections. And one
little secret is food makes a hugedifference, as we all know, if
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there's a social component to it.So maybe after after a program as mentioned
pilates earlier, or fitness anything relatedto fitness, well all of us like
to have like maybe a cup ofcoffee, a team a snack afterwards and
really connects socially with people that wejust exercise with for forty five minutes to
an hour. So those social connectionsreally help to improve attendance, and also
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having a good instructor and a lotof fun and maybe some good music blasting
and the background. So there aretwo listens here because we have a variety
in our audience. Some of youare caregivers, caregivers to older adults who
are in sub form of a seniorresidential community. Others of you are within
that community. You're actually the professionalsin the community. So what's the takeaway.
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The takeaway is it's not the fieldof dreams. If you build it,
they probably will not come. You'vegot to do more than that.
So if you're a caregiver and you'reworried, is mom or dad going to
get engaged? Are they going tolanguish? See how the invitations go.
Don't just go and look at theschedules. Oh, look at all the
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things they have. That is bogusbecause if people aren't showing up to them,
who cares? So you have toask the other question, how do
you engage your people to participate inthese things? And that is if you're
a caregiver or you voluntarily are goinginto some sort of a residence. And
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the other is if you're an operator, you can't just have an activity director
and activities. You have to havethat reach out program as kin Village does.
Now, before we take a littlebreakdown, I just let everybody know
how to find kin Village on theweb. It's really easy to find kin
Village ki n v I lage dotorg and kin Village is there. And
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we'd love you to visit our websiteand check us out and send us a
message. We'd love to connect withanyone listening. Well, you know,
I'm hoping that you will. Becausefor those of you who are looking for
a place and they happen to belocal, well, of course that's a
great answer kin Village. For thoseof you who are you can see what
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a model looks like, because manyof you have parents who are pushing back
or you yourself phone wondering is itright, So you can see what a
good place looks like before you getdeep into the issues. All right,
when we come back, I dowant to talk about the I f A.
I want to talk about why youare so excited to be on the
board and what this conference is allabout, because it pulls the world of
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aging together, don't you guys goanywhere all man. But that doesn't bother
me, not because I am happyand I'm inappropriate for my age. You
(10:30):
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travel, we have Dan Livit withus. We're both going to be traveling.
We're going to be traveling in Bangkok. Why because we are being speakers
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at a wonderful conference the International Federationon Aging the i FA. And of
course Dan Livit is on the boardof the IFA, and I am the
United Nations one of the five UnitedNations representatives from the IFA, so we
have a lot in common. Welove the organization and of course, as
you just heard, Dan is alsothe CEO of Kin Village and not for
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profit Continuing Care residential community. Solet's go to you, Dan. So
you are excited, I think asI am. Tell us a little bit
about the conference. I know you'llbe speaking there and what you're looking forward
to. Well, I'm really lookingforward to this conference at the end of
June in Bangkok. We know thataround the world, the population's age and
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there are challenges and opportunities that arisewith an aging population. I like to
see of that rising tide of populationof older adults as an opportunity rather than
a challenge. And there are challengesobviously, but getting together for this this
conference. It really is a mustattend event for anyone in the field of
aging, and we're gonna look atat various issues. There's going to be
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some great peynote speakers, there's workshops, there's sessions, there's networking opportunities,
and you know, the theme ofthe conference this year is called Challenge,
Change, Transform. So the commitmentof IFA, the International Federation of Aging,
really is on promoting human rights ofolder adults, and there'll be things
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like age friendly environments focused on there. One of the big pushes is making
sure that immunizations available for older adults. How can older adults maintain and improve
their function as they age. Willbe looking at something that I love,
talking about digital technologies and practice whichreally I think are still underutilized for older
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adults and for the ah sechtector.And of course, as women do live
longer than men, the rights ofolder women are particularly important. So this
conference will be leaders experts from aroundthe world. I'm talking about the latest
research, breast practices and innovations andall these are focused on improving the lives
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of older adults. So we havea very exciting conference in Bangkok coming up
well it certainly is, and Iwant to unpack some of this. One
of the things that you mentioned wasfunctionality, and I want to focus on
that, and I also want tospeak about then in the context of aging
in general and kin village in particular. Right, So functionality, this is
what we've learned as we age.And I'm seventy five. I have friends
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who are eighty five and ninety andI have friends who are forty five.
And the age really, scientifically isnot that important. The chronologic number is
what we're fixated on. In theUS, we are very age essential.
Canada is not much better, tobe honest, But when a geroscience scientists
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looks at us, they don't lookat that. They look at numbers,
analytics. What's your kidney function?And what's your heart function? What's your
bone marrow counts? When we lookat it, when we as human beings
look at it, what we're askingourselves is how do I feel? Can
I do it? Am I ableto go on the pickle ball court today
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or not? And we're mostly thinkingwhen we say beginning old, we really
don't mean the days have gone byor the numbers are different, because mostly
we don't know the numbers. Whatwe mean is we can't open the pickle
jar anymore. Our functionality has changed. So let's take a look at that.
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It's really a man of And Ihad a geroscideist say he wants to
die healthy, and what he meantwas he wants to feel good until the
very end and then have a stroke. But the point is that that is
the gold standard there, not somuch not having a diagnosis, but feeling
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great anyway. So tell us aboutthat. How is that fostered and what
do you see the future of that? Since you you like technology and we
know AI may even have a partof that helping us with that functionality.
So it's an interesting thing when welook at about technology and aging, and
I think that the partable technology I'mreally excited about is the idea that we
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can create smart homes as your smartapartment for older adults as they age,
so that it could be wearables,it could be sensors, it could be
some AI in your house, andthat you can even predict when an adverse
event might happen based on your iometricindicators and based on patterns and modifying your
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home so that if you're getting upin the middle of night to go to
the bathroom. As you move,there's already a bed sensor that is sending
some data that as soon as youmove in a way that suggests you're going
to get out of bed, thelights on some flooring lights turn on and
helps you get your way to thebathroom. And then even the bathroom self
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could be economically designed to help youreduce a fall so you can get back
to bed safely. I mean,that's just one little example of where technology
can be used in helping people agein their home for longer. You know,
the part of aging that I getreally excited about is that the choice
we have. Those of us whohave the choice and the ability to make
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it, which I think is thevast majority of us, in our own
way one way the other can takethat first step forward. That first step
forward might be spending more time beingmobile. And the mobility aspect is the
number one indicator for a long lifeand for being healthy. And as a
person who's a runner, I havehad faster running times and races I compete
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in in my age category. I'mpodium getting on the podium, and I
run faster now than I did tentwenty years ago. I'm going to the
same race as I first done overa decade ago, and I'm beating my
own time. So I figure ifI can do this, then other people
can do it too. People thinksome things are only for younger people,
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but I'm of the belief that witha different mindset, a different positivity aspect
to growing older, we can putour minds and bodies to just vote anything
and choose to live a healthy life. It does involve sacrifices, but those
sacrifices, from my point of view, paid dividends in the future, So
that's kind of my perspective, andtechnologies part of that to kind of give
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us that that's soft landing, ifyou will, so that we can stay
in our homes as long as possible. So you know that this is wonderful
and it is exciting, and itis the way I feel. And I
use a biomarker every day. It'sonly a ninety dollars scale, but it
does tell me my metabolic age.There's many other parts of aging, but
at least it tells me my metabolicage, and I do things to lower
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that age. And I'm hoping formore biomarkers to let me know how I'm
doing, and I'll let all youguys know how I'm doing. And because
I've got these biomarkers, I discoveredI really do have high blood pressure and
it is affecting my kidneys, nojoke, and I'm doing something about it
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every day. But here it is. Then as we wrap up this segment,
I want to go to the nextI'm very privileged, and frankly,
most of my friends are, andmost of the people listening to this show
are, so I can bring inan army of that technology. I can
buy any pill I want. IfI want a neutraceutical because it's good for
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my kidneys, I can go outand pay fifty dollars a month out of
my pocket. Now you're a nonprofit. When we come back, I do
want to talk about another thing youmentioned, which was human rights, and
particularly human rights of women and butin general, the human right to access
all of these longevity techniques. Ithink that's going to be the new issue.
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We talk about healthcare access and equality, I think longevity equality is going
to come with it. I'll explainthat a bit more, and I want
to hear your take on this asactually a somebody who's really running a major
organization for old adults, but alsoas a thought leader in the field of
aging. So you guys, don'tyou go anywhere? But that doesn't bother
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All right, age? Well,now where he with Dan Levitt? And
he is a board member of theIFA International Federation of Aging, and he
is the CEO of kin Village,which of course is a continuing care a
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residential community in Vancouver. So twoissues related. One is that you are
talking about incredible AI. You're talkingabout lights that come out, which I
wish I had. I actually walkaround with a book light at night so
I could see where I'm going whenall the lights are off. And in
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other words, makeshift stuff that allthis wonderful thing, but they all cost
money. And I equipped during thebreak, you're going to put yourself out
of business. If everybody has allthis in their home, what did they
need to go into a residential communityfor? And what did you say,
Dan, Well, yeah, it'strue, we're not building enough of these
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places. I think post COVID peoplesaw what happened during the pandemic in these
places, and unfortunately that was thestory the media told. It was the
reality in some cases, but notthe majority. The vast majority of places
are wonderful places to be. Ido inspections. I'm a surveyor for a
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credition Canada, and I go aroundthe country looking at long term care homes
and I can tell you all theones I've seen our top notch and I
would put my own parents in there, I would live there myself. So
but we are going to have tohave more supports in the community because we're
not building enough places for the increasingdemand and for services. So we do
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have to kind of wire up,if you will, where we're living.
And I think that's really the waythe future is more home based and community
supported services for older adults. Asa age. Yes, I was at
Leading Age a few times, andthat is a conference for nonprofit nonprofit CCRC's
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assisted livings nursing homes, and theyhad many many sessions at those conferences on
how the existing facilities can actually goout into the community and give the same
care at home. So you certainlynot alone in thinking this. But let's
take a look at the money,honey, on this one. You've got
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wonderful technology, but even a computer, even the hardware, costs money.
As I mentioned, things that havenothing to do with technology, like a
nutraceutical that might be good for yourhealth or myself, you know, I'm
always very transparent with my people.I am now learning about juicing, so
I can detox a little bit morethan I used to. So I just
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vote a juicer and they some juiceswith seven hundred dollars. Now I WoT
one for one hundred and fifty tosee if I do it, because I
never go into my kitchen. Buteven that's expensive. So in every little
detail of longevity living, it becomesdifficult to understand how we're going to get
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everybody on an equal footing if thingsare uncovered. Now, as a thought
leader, what do you say aboutthis? Well, yeah, it's a
good question. Probably not one sizefits all for everybody. Obviously, people
who can afford to, from mypoint of view, should be investing the
money in making their own homes ortheir apartments age friendly. And it does
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take a tough personal conversation with yourself, check in looking in the mirror and
saying, hey, you know,I really do need or UM I will
need this, and now's the timeto make those those adjustments. UM.
There are some some UM NGOs thatare funding UM technology UM. For example,
I know of help age is asfunds for helping seniors older adults with
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uh digital literacy, and they willprovide a computer. They even provide internet
UM costs for a little while anduntil the person's kind of on their own
UM and as doing it. Sothere are areas out there places where you
can get UM the stuff donated,and I think there are some really amazing
organizations in the community where you're living. I guess the other thing is to
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look at does your telecommunications company thatyou're currently buying your phone from, our
internet or other services UM do inyour cable vision if you still have it,
UM do they offer these these thesepackages? And I know that there
are government incentives and company incentives tokeep your business. So this is why
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way of getting those things kind ofpackaged in together. And yes it will
cost you more money, but hopefullythe additional costs are worth the expense.
It's certainly a lot of us havea tough time with this idea of prevention.
We all understand it, but we'renot willing to invest it because but
the truth is, if you spenda dollar now, you'll save ten dollars
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down the road. So it's reallyimportant. And your quality of life,
I think is such a thing.Your health if you don't have health,
then you're really out of luck.So you spend a little bit of your
wealth, make some other sacrifices ifyou're able to, and then invest in
yourself and I think your future selfwill be grateful because of it. That's
certainly our words of wisdom. Butyou did say the word COVID. So
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what did can village do during theCOVID years? We did okay in relation
to kind of the places that madethe headlines internationally or even locally. We
were kind of blessed in the senseof we're located on a peninsula, kind
of isolated away from the rest ofGreater Vancouver. However, COVID did arrive
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and it did have a significant impact. We were blessed again by the time
that COVID did show up here inEarnest, the infectial prevention control measures were
well practiced, and we had plentyof protective equipment for staff, and a
community really rallied around and support eachother, and we were able to do
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things like cohorting staff and the peoplewho lived here. The repercussions of all
this was that we talked about humanrights of older people. Is that families
were separated, and I think noone who moved into a care home or
operated them, or licenses them,inspects them. No one really ever thought
that we ever separate people from theirfamilies, or that people will be stuck
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in their in their rooms for worldlyweeks, sometimes months, even on ends
in some situations. So I thinkwhat COVID has taught us is that going
forward, we have to reimagine,reinvent, redesign the way that we care
for older people so that families andtheir loved ones are never separated and in
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fact encouraging opportunities for them to spenda meaningful time together that is non institutional,
meaning that if you're want to visityour loved one living in care,
why not sit down with them fora meal so that they can host you.
Maybe you pay for it, butthey feel like they're they're hosting you.
It brings dignity and value and makingsure that there's places for getting outside
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and enjoying the fresh air. Ithink it's a right of people in Canada
to complain about the weather, right. We should never deny it an older
person living in care that right.And there's so many other aspects of life
in care that we have to takea hard look at. And make sure
that we're doing the best. Ofcourse we do care well, that's a
(31:03):
given. But how are we valuingseeing older people so that we're combating lowliness,
helplessness and boredom and that people havethe opposite experience and they do activities
and things inform relationships with people thatare meaningful and will last a lifetime.
(31:23):
So when we when we come back, we're going to wrap this up with
the big question, which is howcan we as individuals fight agism. I
have my thoughts, You have yourthoughts. Because agism is insidious and often
it's undetected. It seems right.We might say, oh, she looks
good for her age, and wethink we're giving a compliment. So we
(31:45):
come back. We will continue thisconversation and don't you guys go anywhere.
But that doesn't bother me. Noteven happy man appropriate for my age.
(32:07):
You may think that bother me.Not even because I am happy, I'm
inappropriate. Oh my hello, hello, Hello, this is Adrian Bergen.
This is Generation Bowl, the Fountainof Truth, the fountain of truth about
(32:29):
aging. We're all prepared to goto Bangkok, of all places, the
second time I've been there. Bythe way, interesting city, a city
of medical tourism, and I'll becovering in my full podcast, The Ageless
Traveler. And I've actually been toBarbara I'm grad which is a major medical
tourism emporium. Very interesting because youget all the tests from bio markers that
(32:53):
Dan Levitt, I guess spoke about, uh less cost because you have to
do it out of pocket here,but there it's cheaper. And I've even
known people who have cancer and otherissues like prostect cancer go there and get
better treatment. So we're talking abouta world where there are halves and have
nots, and some of this iscreated by what we generally called the ism
(33:16):
agism. What does it mean?Well, Dan Levitt should know because he
is on the board of the InternationalFederation of Aging and he's also the CEO
of Kin Village. So Dan,before we wrap up with this concept of
aging and how excited we are,we have to admit that agism is a
(33:38):
factor in an age of central nationand culture. First, tell us again
how to find kin Village and thenyour take on agism as it is today
and if it's different in your opinionfrom Canada to the US. So thank
you for the question. I'm againto find kin Village online, go to
(34:01):
kinon Village dot org, KI,n v I l l age dot org
and we'd love to have you lookaround and give us feedback on our website
and what we do love to hearfrom you. So what is agism?
Before the break Adrian you mentioned theterm you look good for your age.
(34:23):
So when someone says that to me, my response back to that person is
I take a moment and I lookat them and smile and I'd say you
look good for your age too,and then they kind of take a step
back and think, oh, whatdid I just say. And if I
hear someone say something that I perceiveto be agist, I will call them
(34:47):
in. If you will, I'lltake them. I'll wait and I'll say
that that thing that you said,especially for public speaking or at the meeting,
I'll say that thing you said.This is how we interpret it,
so you know, we know.Age ism is the discrimination, the prejudices,
the beliefs about other people as aage, and it's also internalized.
(35:09):
We might look at ourselves and thinkof ourselves differently than we would otherwise because
of the year we were born.And I truly believe being positive about the
future and being optimistic that yes,agism is there and young people experience it,
specially in the workplace, as doolder people. However, what I
(35:32):
really wanted to kind of focus onand celebrate is the fact that I think
the tide shifting and I think it'snow okay with all the things going around
about diversity, equity inclusion, thatwe're finally seeing older people on the front
cover of fashion magazines and you don'tdance. Speaking about magazines, we recently
(35:57):
had Martha Stewart on the cover ofSports Illustrated for her swimsuit issue. So
yes, perhaps the future really islooking forward. You know what I'm going
to say to you guys, justbecause of that, get out their kids
and make it happen appropriate
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