Generation Bold, November 15, Vish

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Episode Transcript

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When I look in the mirror,I don't see wrinkles. When I look
in the mirror, I see hairon my head, not my shoulder.
Hello. Hello, Hello, Thisis Adrian Bergen. This is Generation Bold,
the Fountain of truth, the fountainof truth about what well, the

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fountain of truth about aging and aginghas become a thing. It's a news
story today. Every other day youhear something else about a bio breakthrough,
something that's going to keep us youngerlonger, a new procedure of the nia,
the ni age, they're all inthe act. Or you're hearing about

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the fact that we're becoming impoverished afterwe retire because the stock market is down,
an inflation is going up, allkinds of things in the news for
a topic that you could hardly findeven one article about. But we have
seventy eight million baby boomers in thiscountry and most of them are just on

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the edge of retirement. And wejust heard from Chip Conley, who was
one of the stars of Airbnb.He started the Modern Elder Academy. And
when people retire, they cut twoyears, even if they're healthy in every
other way, from their life twoyears. So why not have that life

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purpose that will make sure that youhave those two years. So today were
speaking to somebody who's very very interestingand will I think inspire you and light
you up a little bit about thedirection you may want to go. His
name is Vish Chatterjee. He isan executive coach. He is an entrepreneur
on his own. He's an engineerbut also a practitioner of I would say

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the Vedic approach to how we canrun our lives in a very different way
and maybe save those two years anda lot more. Thanks for being with
us today. I'm excited to beon your show and a very relevant and
interesting topic and near and dear tomy heart. Well, you know,
before we started the show, Iasked what would you like to bring out?

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And there were several things you wantedpeople to know, But the one
that fascinated me was that there werereally four focuses that perhaps we're missing a
little bit or in the Western culturewe tend to pick one and think we
have to make one primary in ourlife. That is happening. I'll tell
us those four and why we canhave it all. Yeah. So I'm

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a student and teacher of the Vedictradition, which is the umbrella tradition within
which yoga finds itself. So allof this yoga that you see in a
yoga studio is something that's being doneon a mat, but there's actually an
entire philosophy and system and framework forliving that is much beyond the yoga mat
itself. And that umbrella tradition iscalled the Vedic tradition, and it's the

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system of ancient India, these veryenlightened beings from ten thousand years ago that
seem to explain to us the meaningof our existence, the meaning of the
universe, so to speak. Andwithin that philosophy there's a framework called the
Puru Shartas, which are the fouraims of life, the four goals in

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life. And so every human beingwhen they're born, there's sort of these
four bucket areas that they need tohonor in their life. And the Sanskrit
words for them are artha, Kama, dharma, and moksha. And what
each of these mean is Artha isyour financial well being, Kama is having
fun and pleasure in life, Dharmais honoring your inner purpose and inner calling,

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and moksha is honoring your spiritual journey. So what I find in the
Western world, is we end uppicking one and going all in on that.
We all know somebody who just caresabout money. Their entire life revolves
around making money, earning money,and they don't have any fun. They
just work, work, work.There's other people that are hardcore fun seekers,

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hedonists, and all they do ishave fun, but they can barely
make rent, or make their paymentsor even save up for retirement. There's
others who find this deep sense ofcalling in their life to do something to
help the world and honor their innercalling, but they do that at the
expense of having a stable home life, a stable married life, stable finances,

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stable location even of where to live. And then, meanwhile, the
last one is the spiritual pursuit,where people become so caught up in their
spiritual pursuits they runaway, leave home, live in a monastery, and sort
of abandon everything else in life thatwas actually needed to get taken care of.
They just want to relate what youjust said to modern retirement, and

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I wanted to really delve deep intothis part of it. We not only
have those four often focused in oneperson, but we're kind of taught culturally
and each of those four things comein different parts of our life, and
therefore we focus on them. Sowhen we're younger, it's making money,
you know, but as we retire, it's supposed to be all fun.

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The new you know idea of retirementin the sixties with del web of everybody
had. It was near a swimmingpool or a golf course, and all
they were supposed to do is havefun. You deserve it, that was
the thing. And then as youget much much older, we even talk
about the fact that you'll be spiritualeven if you never were before in your
life, all of a sudden,bang, you're eighty five, You're better

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be spiritual. So I'm concerned aboutthat because there was something in this country
called pickleball, and everybody seems tobe playing it twenty four hours a day,
because after retirement, they're supposed tobe focusing on fun, fun.
Fun. Now with these four though, in a world where mostly your excess
from your job, from your calling, if you had one, how did

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we get that back into our retirementthinking, so that we're much more balanced
than we are because we're supposed tobe out there busy with fun. Yeah,
So that's the thing, is weyou know, I was going to
ask the question to you, how'sall that worked out? And you've already
answered that question. Hasn't worked well? Worked there? Yes, it hasn't

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worked out very well. And sowe have these one track minds where are
like, Okay, I'm this age, I must only do this at the
expense of everything else. And itleads to a lot of imbalances. I
think you we all know about theworking community and how they worked themselves to
death. Basically, they worked themselvesto an extreme where they have health issues.
We also know in retirement, wherepeople are just focused on having fun,

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they start to have health issues.Right, So pick a ball wild
seems healthy at first glance, it'sinjuries. There's there's serious injuries right well,
and it's and it also takes awayyour your desire for that calling,
which you can have at any age, because it's a deflection of what you
might be doing that's really different withyour time. And where's the outlet for

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all the wisdom of those years?Right? If if all the energies put
it put into a hobby in asport, where is the time for the
wisdom to come out in other avenues? So I look at Arthur Kama Darman
mokcho something something that we have tobalance at all times in life. We
may do a little bit more ofone in certain life stages than the other,
but they all four have to behonored. So Arthur basically is the

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idea of having a solid financial platform. So yes, in your younger years,
it is working right, you're working, you're earning, you're earning a
paycheck, you're saving, you're investing, you're investing wisely. The idea of
making long term investments, playing thelong game to make sure you have a
comfortable retirement when you retire, thefinancial pieces taken care of with good solid

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investing that you took your whole lifetimeto build up. Basically, so I
think of art that is just afinancial platform that supports everything else, and
you have to pay attention to that. So even when you're retired, you
still have to pay attention to yourportfolio. You still have to make decisions
on lifestyle and budgeting based on themarket conditions of the time. You can't
just ignore it. You can't juststart having fun or not. And nobody

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coasts nobody really close, as we'velearned in the past, say six months,
because a lot of people who havebeen very sanguine about their security are
worried now. And that's all overthe news, all over the news that
you're said now, yeah, yeah, and that's it's been a really tough
market and maybe a tough market forsome time to come. And so having

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an eye on the finances is important, right. It may not be the
same as earning the paycheck, butit's still your financial plat in your life,
always in your life. Then commais the fun, right, So
having fun now in the younger years, people just you know, work,
war, work, and they don'tmake time for fun. But fun is
everything from relationships, love, romanticrelationships, going out for a nice dinner,

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hanging out with friends, going toa social event, going to a
party, all of those things.And yes, pickleball definitely falls him to
come up right, but in abalanced way. Right, I do want
to talk about that balance, andwe come back when Vish is as a
coach to high level executives and corporations, he tries to bring this balance back

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into people's lives at any stage,at any age, right, And yoga
as a practice, as a physicalpractice, tries to do that. But
what we're talking about here is kindof yoga outside the matter, beyond the
man, as you would say vish, and he is a very specific technique
that has to do with vetic practices. I think it's going to surprise you

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what we're going to speak about next, don't you guys, go anywhere.
But that doesn't bother me, notbecause I am happy and I'm inappropriate for
my aged dad. You may thinkthat I'm all of it. That doesn't

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bother me, not even because Iam happy and I'm inappropriate. Oh my,
hello, hello, Hello. Thisis Adrian Bergen. This is Generation
Bill, the Fountain of Truth,the fountain of truth about aging, and
the truth is that we still,even after retirement, have to have life

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in balance and that includes according toour guest Fish Chatterjee, who is an
executive coach, he's an engineer,he has a science background, but he's
deeply involved in what he calls yogabeyond the match, and that means a
lifestyle point of view that includes fourareas that yes, of course fun,

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yes of course, money, yesof course, spirituality, and yes,
of course, a life calling orwhat we call these days, a life
purpose. But what he's really emphasizingis that all four of these live together
in you. They're not separate,and that's our tendency or at our life.
This is the time we make money, this is the time we have

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fun, This is the time thatwe deal with spirituality. But no,
not necessarily. They're all for happeningat the same time. And what what
we have here is not just somebodywho's a coach but also an author.
And I think that the name ofyour book is the Business Casual Yogi take

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charge of your mind, business,and career. I've been so excited about
my own yoga practice, which isphysical and it's opened up so much for
me, but this goes beyond that. So tell us a little bit about
your book and which is available onAmazon and how to find Yogish. Yeah,
so the book of The Business CasuallyYogi is. You know, it

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was sort of a wake up callfor me realizing that in the West,
yoga is seen as this gymnastic exercisethat's done on the map, and that's
actually a very small piece of whatyoga is really about. And if you
follow these principles that are off themat yoga, it actually improves you're on
the mat yoga and those principles includeeverything from you know what to eat,
what's the right lifestyle, what's theright time to wake up go to bed,

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how to interact with other people,how to manage your own personal life,
how to manage the clutter in yourhouse. All of these things start
to become you know, yoga ina broader sense. So it's a practice
that really has its fingers into morethan just you know, whether you can
balance on one leg. It goeson to whether you can balance your whole
life. It's bouncing your whole life. Very well said, yeah, But

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you know, one thing that's sointeresting to me is that you do use
a form of astrology when you actuallyare coaching executives, and it's a way
I think of you getting to theiressence much faster. But it's a different
kind of astrology than we think aboutwhen we think about, you know,
the stars, and so it's calledJoe Tish and I don't think most of

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my listeners know much about it.I certainly don't, so clus In Yeah,
like many of your listeners, youknow, I had a very healthy
skepticism around the word astrology. Ithink I'd opened the newspaper and see this
newspaper horoscope and I thought, whata bunch of woo focus right, new
age, yes, new agey.I'm trained as an engineer, so it
didn't make any sense to me.It's like, oh wow, Yeah,

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I was like what is this?And so as I got deeper into the
Vedic system, so understanding yoga andthe system behind yoga, and understanding some
of the philosophy and also the mindbody medicine system which is related to yoga
called a your Vedam. One ofmy teachers said, you know, when
when I was struggling with some difficultclients, he said, why don't you
look at their birth chart? AndI said, well, why would I

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look at thet That sounds like ahocus pocus astrology thing. He says,
no, No, the Vedic,the Indian astrology system is totally different.
And so as I started diving intothat system, the first thing that I
found was the calculation. The actualmath is completely different. So when you
look at a newspaper horoscope and theysay, oh, you're whatever Gemini,

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they're saying that because they claimed thatthe sun was in the location of sky
where the constellation Gemini is when youwere born. It turns out that's not
the case. The Western system isbased on math that doesn't actually line up
with the astronomical reality of space.So the first thing we do in the
Indian system is we correct the mathto the right astronomical reality. So what

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you see is what you get whenyou look at the sky and you see
a certain planet, certain heavenly body, and a certain location. The Western
astrologer would disagree with the Western astronomer, but the Vedic astrologer and the Western
astronomer agree. Astronomy astronomical reality.Well that's what we call, well,
our science based as opposed to let'ssay, a more spiritual based practice.

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Yeah, at least on the math, right, at least on the math.
On the math. Yeah, onthe math, we're saying, okay,
we're looking at reality. And soyou know, I asked a few
Western astrologers why, you know,how they how they do their work with
incorrect underlying astronomical math, and theysaid, you know, the one explanation
I got that was very powerful wasmost people live in an illusion, and
so you're reading the planets for themfrom an illusiony point of view, and

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it helps reinforce and helps her understandhow to navigate that very illusion. So
Whereas you know, in the workthat I do, I'm saying, look,
let's get to the truth. Let'sget to what is the actual truth
about your situation. And maybe it'sgoing to shake you up a little bit
because you're so attached to your illusion. But isn't the purpose of life to
find the truth? Part of thatdharma whether we talked about earlier in the

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pieces for Aims of life, isfinding your truth? Why are you here?
What are you here to do?So as soon as I correct the
math, I start to see muchmore powerful indications about somebody's life journey.
And the second big thing is thatwe use what constellation of stars was rising
on the eastern horizon at the momentof your birth and at the location of

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your birth, So this changes everycouple of hours, and it changes my
location on the planet. So youknow, reading a newspaper horoscope, everybody
born in a thirty day period hasthe same sign September. You're going to
you know, you're going to beproductive this month. Yeah, whereas this
is where on the planet Earth wereyou born? And if I looked due

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east with the telescope at that momentof your birth, what actual star constellation
did I see? And based onthat I can make a much more accurate
assessment of that person's journey. SoI've got to give you two challenges,
and they are very different, allright. The first challenge is probably what
my listeners are thinking, Oh,it does sound mood, it sounds out
there. It's you new age mumbojumbo, something else to have fun with.

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But series, So, the firstchallenge is, you do have executives
major corporations that work with you,and have you coached them? Is the
proof in the pudding here that itdoesn't really matter what the construct is but
it seems to be working for them? Is that because I find it challenging
to a career and then look eastto the star. Yes, exactly.

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So you know the you know Ihad the same skepticism, and so you
know, early in my coaching career, I would ask and say, look,
I'm I'm doing this thing. Let'stry it out, let's see what
happens. And I would find overand over again that it was very valuable
insight. I think most executives arealways looking to understand themselves better. They

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use things like MBTI, Myers Briggsindicators, disc profiles, there's all these
self essentis who are you? Whoare you? Are you? And how
do you lead? And so whatI would find as executives that would come
to me, we would start doingthe coaching work around their business. Would
be looking at the P and Lstatements, would be looking at the team
the ORG charts, and eventually isyou know, five or six sessions in,
they'd say, hey, Vish,what are you going to do that

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planet thing with me? And Iwould sort of look at them quizzically and
say what planet thing you're talking aboutthere, and say, oh, the
person that referred me to you saidyou do this thing with the planets.
I'm really intrigued because it's so coolthough it's it's interesting. Yeah, let
me let me see my plants.I'm okay, fine. And the premise
of it is that you are thisbody, right, this being of muscles

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and bones and joints and tissues thatalso has this ego and brain and subtle
mind of thinking and emotions. Butthere's also a deeper layer of your consciousness
that in a way we don't reallytap into your your inner wisdom or your
higher self, so to speak,and that inner self sort of starts to
direct things that show up in yourmind. And so with the you know,

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with the Vedic astrology system, I'mtrying to read what is your inner
consciousness trying to do. And whenyou understand it better, you can align
the body, the mind, andthe soul much better. So in my
career and if you if you readmy book The Business Causual Yoga, you'll
see that I fought my destiny fora good two decades of my career.
Well, yes, you have patents, you have many you sit on many

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boards, you did a lot ofblue you know, white collar a life
for life. Yeah, and itwas very successful. But I was fighting
and kicking and screaming the whole wayuntil I realized my inner calling is really
to spread this type of wisdom andknowledge in the world, especially in the
business world. And so it tookme a while to make that shift.
Now, had I studied the Vedicastrology system earlier, I might have had

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a better context of why my journeywas so challenging and so difficult along the
way, you know, kicking andpushing my way to the top right versus
this past has been much more aflow. Actually, the idea of flow,
meaning that you're in the zone you'redoing something that makes sense to you.
Your body, everything around you isa new way, a new way

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to be calmer. It's a newway to get rid of your anxieties.
It's probably not so new because it'ssomething that happens actually neurologically in the brain
when you're doing the right thing,the right work, at the right time.
We come back, though, I'mgonna give you my second challenge,
fish, and this is much moredifficult than the first one because I didn't
tell you something. I didn't tellyou that although it decades ago, I

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was an oriental philosophy minor than major, and I know a little bit about
illusion. So when I come back, I'm gonna hit it. I'm gonna
hit it. Don't you guys goanywhere. This is the kind of salon
discussion that I'd love to have aroundthe dinner table with intelligent people, all
of whom have different kinds of opinionsthat come from different places. It's a

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pleasure to be able to do thishere with you on Generation Bold. Don't
go anywhere. But that doesn't botherme, Happy ADM. I'm inappropriate for
my age. You may think ofit bother me, not even because I

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am happy, I'm inappropriate. Ohmy hello, hello, Hello. This
is Adrian Bergen. This is GenerationBone, the Fountain of Truth, the
fountain of truth about aging. AndI have a very special guest with me
to day. His name is vishChatli. He is an author, he

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is an executive coach. He's abusiness person of his own. He is
an engineer, he's got patents,he sits on boards, and he had
his own struggle. You would thinkthat it wasn't much of a struggle.
He was way up there in inhis career, but it wasn't feeling right,
and he took another look at hislife and he turned it around.
He's the author of the Business Casual, and he is somebody who is very

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relevant I think to today's struggle thatwe're all having with retirement. What is
our life purpose? There are somany books out now just on life purpose
in retirement, when only a decadeago, your life purpose was to have
as much fun as you could.Stay busy, stay healthy, get on
the golf course, get on thetennis court, now on the pickle bowl

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court. But the point is it'sall the same. Don't give a thought
to the wisdom you might already haveaccumulated, and what you could do for
the world, because that's not retirement. Retirement is withdrawal. And to make
a long story short here and youshould read it in his book. He
takes a look at the kinds ofelements in your life that have to always

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be in balance and not look atone thing at a time. But now,
Vish, I gave you a challenge. One of the things you said
was Western astrology is all wrong onthe math. And when you asked arologists
and the astrology is one thing calledJoe Tish style Vedic astrology that he uses

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to guide people to the kind ofcareer that really puts them in the flow
of life and is in keeping withwho they are. He uses this astrology
and is Vedic. And what yousaid was, well, you know,
when I asked astrologers Western, whyhow they can function with their math all
off? They said, well,we live in illusion anyway, so I'm

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just explaining where the client or theperson that I'm reading is within the illusion.
And you said, no, no, no, no, we have
to have the right math. Wehave to get to the truth. That
was your word, the truth.But boy, oh boy, my understanding
of Eastern philosophy, including Vedic andeven the are Uvedic healthcare, is we

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all live in illusion. Allusion iswhere we are at all times, and
we really don't get rid of it. So it seems contrary to go to
the East to get away from theillusion, when in fact Eastern philosophy says
it's all illusion, and we inthe West say there's something that's called truth.

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You're on that's the challenge. Yeah, So in the book The Business
Casual Yogi, in the first coupleof pages, I did a definition of
you know, kind of look lookslike a dictionary definition. Business casual noun
a style of outer dress for workingprofessionals. So that's our illusion, what
we were on the outside right.Yogi noun one who seeks their fullest inner

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potential through yoga. So seeking yourinner potential is seeking your own inner truth.
And so that is the whole systemof yoga, which is connected to
ayr Veda, the mind body medicinesystem, connected to Joe Dish, the
Vedic astrology system. It's all abouttrying to understand what are we really here
to do? What is our truth? And eventually, maybe not right away,

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eventually everybody starts to try to questionand understand their own unique truth.
You know, when people retire,the first couple of years they called the
honeymoon period. Vision they're having agood time. They finally clean out the
closet, maybe they down size andthey don't have to fix the roofs so
much, and they do play thegames, meet each other and so on,

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and then they get bored, andthen they get sick, and then
they get sicker, and then theyget old and sometimes call me. So
I do have quite a few retiredclients that are looking for many So when
you intervene, Yeah, when youintervene in that tell us a little bit
real examples of the experience. Yeah. So a lot of times I think
just the Arthur Kama Dharma Muksha conversationthat there's these four aims and to balance

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them usually results in some kind ofan aha where their client says, oh
my gosh, I'm not doing thatanymore. I should do more of that.
So that sometimes can be the breakthrough, just understanding the balance of these
four areas of life. But youask, specifically with Joe Dish, how
that has helped, and I wouldsay the power of Joe dish is helping

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understand the context of everything. Sosometimes somebody is in a miserable life situation,
and by seeing clearly what the messageor a lesson is in that life
situation, it changes their framework andtheir paradigm to be more accepting of it,
realizing that there's a lesson to learnthere and a growth opportunity from that.

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Sometimes from the chart I can readthat this is not serving them at
all, and so then they haveto make a drastic change to completely change
that situation. Sometimes that's a relationship. Sometimes that's a type of volunteer work
or type of job, or aliving situation or a home. Even so,
it all depends. Right at theend of the day, we're you

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know, i live here in southernCalifornia. I'm very close to the ocean,
you know. I go out tothe beach and I see the surfers
and they just wait patient. Theysee the wave, and the wave is
just right. They paddle a littlebit and that wave just carries them right
to shore. Meanwhile, I goout there and I time it all wrong.
The wave comes, I'm paddling furiously, but I'm not timing it right.

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Then the wave just knocks me overand I'm tumbling and crashing in the
surf. So what we want todo is figure out what are the waves
of life, which waves do wewant to catch, and what is just
the right amount of paddling to doto catch that wave in a gentle way
where we have flow state. Andyou asked specifically for one example, I

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had an owner of a skincare businesswho had a team of people that she
was managing and having lots of challengesin her leadership and management, you know,
letting go of one person, replacingwith another, trying a different team
member, and really the business wassuffering because of all these personnel issues.
And when I, you know,finally opened up her again looking at the

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map of the heavens at the momentshe was born, What does that have
to do with leadership and business?This is the question. I noticed that
there was a certain period in herlife where there's some really tumultuous energies at
play, And so I asked her. I said, back in nineteen eighty
two and around June, it lookslike you had a very serious issue happened,

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something something to do with violence.I don't know what it was.
Can you tell me and she juststopped in her tracks and she said,
you know, I've been in therapyfor years and never brought this up with
my therapist. How do you knowabout this? And so I don't know
about it. I just know thatthe energies were there that you know,
high probability that something very difficult happenedfor you. And she then related to

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me and you know, through astream of tears, is very very tragic,
you know, sexually violent incident thathappened to her and she's never been
able to sort of heal from it. And I was able to relate that
particular incident to her leadership challenges inthe company, and so she was able
to sort of talk through it,work through it, understand the reason for

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it, try and extract you know, like it's almost how do you extract
the nutrition from a traumatic experience ratherthan just sort of, you know,
living with this trauma day and dayout. And so she was able to
extract that nutrition from it. Itempowered her, which ended up solving her
employee issues, ended up helping thebusiness grow quite drastically actually because of her

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leadership, and as a side benefit, it improved her marriage. She said,
you have no idea how different thingsare with me and my husband now
that I've sort of sorted through thisthing. So I found that rather than
using vedic astrology as a predictive tool, it allows me to ask the right
question, the deep, most importantquestion that can lead to somebody's transformation in

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life. At the end of theday, the wisdom is with the client.
My job is just to unlock theirown inner wisdom by asking the right
questions. And you know, anygood coach, well even a financial planner,
is working on asking the right questions. A ful talmudic statement which says,
why spoil a good question with ananswer, because sometimes it's the question

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that's more important even than the answer. And when we come back, I
want to talk about the three hundredand sixty degree view here. I have
been at very deep geroscience conferences inthe month of October. I have been
looking at FDA new approved devices andthings that they're looking at for intervening in

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biologic aging. And I've been talkingto people who who create some of those
devices. And interestingly enough, there'sa new field now and it's the whole
field of energy, and it's fullcircle down to some of the AREU Vedic
health principles, the Vedic principles,some of the things you're telling me about

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Joe Tish and the way you lookat things which you can all read about
by the way in the business casualYogi take charge of your mind, business,
and career. This idea of havingthe right energy at the right time
is something that we don't look verymuch at in Western retirement. We're very

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focused on our wellness and our health, but by that we generally mean the
physical and maybe the cognitive. Butdo we really mean the energy factor.
When we come back, we'll betalking about that, don't you guys go
anywhere all man. But that doesn'tbother me, not because I am happy

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and I'm inappropriate for my agy.You may think that I'm all of it,
don't bother me, not because Iam happy and I'm inappropriate. Oh

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my, and hello, hello,Hello, This is Adrian Bergen. This
is Generation about the Fountain of truth, the fountain of truth about aging,
and we have just covered two inreally important conferences. One is called Radfest
and we've had a variety of peopleon who were speakers there, from geroscientists

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to people who believe that we canbecome immortal. But when you listen to
them, they're all saying the samething. Actually, eat right, have
life purpose. I be a personwho is out in the world, not
just wasting all of your knowledge andyour talents, but be contributory. And

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that's a new phase now, contributoryaging, not just happy aging and so
on, because you can't have nolife purpose and really be happy no matter
how much pickleball you play and nomatter how good you look. Right.
So we've been bringing on people whoare looking at this issue of your life
satisfaction from many different angles, manydifferent points of view, and one of

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them is here with us today andhis name is Vish Chatterley. He is
one of the eminent coaches for executives, business coaches. He's the author of
the business casual YOGI Take Charge ofYour Body, Mind and Career. Hope,
I got that one right, Butit's on Amazon and you've got it.
To take a good look at thisbecause it does put a lot of

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things in balance, and one ofthose things is your energy. Now,
Vish, a lot of the listenershave had massages. They know things like
chakras, They understand about energy,even polarity. Because most of the people
who listen to this show I havebeen around for a while. It's not
their first rodeo, and they livethrough the era of going to psychologists,

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primal screams, and of course theEastern influence of yoga itself. Right,
but you go a little bit furtherin terms of helping people get into the
flow of life and being in theright energy space. Can you explain that
a little bit to us? Yeah, So, I think I think that
the concept is coming to mind forme is that the Vedic system, the

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yoga system, is not a onesize fits all approach. It's not the
same remedy, the same approach forevery single person. And I think in
the Western world we sort of knowit's one size fits all. You do
this diet and you'll be healed,and it sort of applies to everybody.
So I think the first thing tounderstand is that we're all unique, and
so we need to take a personalizedapproach to aging what is our own personal

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energetic makeup to then make better choicesabout what we should and shouldn't do.
What works for your friend down thestreet may not work for you, right,
And so part of this Joe Dishapproach of understanding your your birth horoscope,
or part of the your Vedic approachof understanding your unique mind body constitution
is then to make decisions that serveyou as an individual. The diet that

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works for your friend may not workfor you. And that sensitivity, I
think comes from a deeper awareness.So most of us walk around with our
body and our mind and that's it. But there's a higher wisdom there.
There's a higher inner inner being,so to speak. And what we want
to do is tap into that innerwisdom to understand what is really right for

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us. I just had a clienta couple of days ago who went to
see a naturopathic doctor and her gutinstinct was this is not a good move,
but she did it anyway. Shelet her mind overrule her gut instinct,
and she ended up in a horrificsituation with you ingesting a bunch of
these strange twenty thirty different medications,and she ended up having a serious health

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issue that came from that. AndI asked her, why didn't you just
trust your instinct? Right? AndSo when it comes to aid the aging
process and making choices about how weage, we have to kind of we
have to find a way to connectto that deeper instinct, and I argue
that meditation is one of the bestways to connect to that inner wisdom.

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So there's lots of research that meditationreverses the aging process, delays the aging
process, changes the length of thetelomeres that you know, the DNA strands
that are marks for aging. It'stons of research around that. But what
I'd like to go even further withmeditation is that it allows you to connect
your inner wisdom better to make thembetter choices that then help the aging process

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as well. And for those ofyou who are really very right brained and
you're saying, well, I don'tknow, it's a little bit wool,
you should know that a Harvard MedicalSchool comes out with it. They're fairly
expensive booklets on their latest research,and their latest research showed that stress was
one of the biggest factors in dementia. Stress one of the biggest factors in

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dementia. And what do they suggest, fish, guess what? Meditation?
So there you go, right fromHarvard Medical School to Joe Tish Right there
you go. The connections are everywhere. Now where we find you and can
we get now this is a maybethis is an elementary question. I talk

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about bio markers and send people outto get the right kind of blood tests
so that they can see who theyare in terms of their status of aging.
What about astrology markers who you arefrom that point of view? Is
that something that one can do withoutgoing through an entire life coaching situation?

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And what can they find on yourwebsite? Yeah, so my website is
Head and Heart Insights dot com.So your Head and Heart Insights dot com.
You can always just google my nameVish Chatter g so vsh and then
C H A T T E rj I. If you google me,

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you'll find mem And yes, Ido Vedic astrology charts for people just to
understand their basic nature. In fact, that's how I first came to it.
Was my training was from an iraVedic doctor. And the challenge I
was having was I was working withall these executives and they would show up
and take my little questionnaire to figureout what it was their mind, body
constitution. And all the executives selfidentifies type A personalities, you know,

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and there's a definition of type inthe Vedic system. And so I would
look and see what was in frontof me, and I would say,
you know what, that is nota type A, that is not a
fiery type of person. Why arethey self answering that way? And so
my iyervadic doctor teacher said, whydon't you look at their birth chart?
And I said, oh, that'sthat's a strange thing, Like why would
I do that? He said,just check it, And so I'd get

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the birth information, I'd pull upa chart, and from the chart I
would be able to read what istheir actual mind body constitution. And when
I tell them this is what I'mactually seeing, they would say, wow,
how do you really know that aboutme? And so then I started
to think, well, if Ican figure out some of these mind body
constitution with the chart their marker,they're biomarker, so to speak, what

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else can I do this? Andof course that opened up this whole world
of insight into the human journey andthe sole journey. Well, this is
just an amazing journey that we've takentogether. And before we leave, we
have a couple of minutes. Youuse the word that I'm actually you're studying
the actually called flow, which isa state of mind in many ways,

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and more than a state of mind, just define that for us, because
really that's what you help people getto the more and more flow in their
life. Explain. Yeah, sothere's a there's a concept in the Vaded
tradition called some Adi and some Addiis the enlightened state, and there's different
stages of it. But somebody whobasically reaches a deep state of meditation where

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they're no longer conscious of space,time, reality, and causality sort of
beyond it. So any of yourlisteners that are meditators, you've experienced that
state in a mild way. Yougo into meditation, you sort of lose
track of time and space, andthen a few minutes later you come back
you're like, oh, where Idon't have any recollection. That is a
mild Samadi state. So the samething happens when you're doing an activity that

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is really a lot aligned with yourinner soul. What starts to happen is
you lose track of time and space. So you know, somebody might be
going for a hike, or somebodymight be going for a swim, or
somebody might be playing a game ofpickleball or reading a book, and you
just lose track of the world aroundyou. You just all of a sudden
get completely lost in that activity.It happens with people who are artists a

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lot. It happens with musicians.That is a flow state where you're having
this brief glimpse of a reality beyondspacetime reality and what happens to And the
reason that I'm looking into it isthat we're creating courses here and one of
the things we've discovered is that peopleare really very afraid to age. And
when we looked into this, theemotion of fear. You cannot have fear

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in a flow state when you're doingsomething that you're committed to that is the
right place at the right time.Let's call it in a in a Western
vernacular. You'll lose yourself in it, as you say, like a musician
or I'm not making fun now.Even pickleball people love it and they're concentrating
in the right way and they're notafraid. So it is. It's an

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amazing thing in the neurology of thebrain that you cannot be in that position
and feel fear. The neurons can'tcharge for those emotions in that same way,
and it's like a muscle. Themore you're in the flow state,
the easier it is to get intothe state that's right. And so you

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can do these activities you know allday long that that gets you in flow
state, which help reduce the fearresponse, which obviously helps the you know,
anti aging process. But meditation isone of those practices that's a regular
practice that puts you into that samestate. It meditation is designed to take
you into some ODDI state. Thewhole purpose of the yoga system is to

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have regular inc unters with flow stateon a let's say, every morning basis,
so that your life starts to bemore aligned to flow state and you
start to work on that less know, no fear state on a constant basis.
I mean, and I ask youbefore we sign off once again,
tell us where we can find you. Yes, so, Head and Heart

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Insights dot com. Or you cangoogle my name Vish Chatter G H A.
T. T. E. RJ I, and you can find
my book The Business Casual Yogi TakeCharge of Your Body, Mind and Career,
which explains a lot about yoga andVedic philosophy and your Veda and it
even has a quiz to figure outyour own mind body constitution to help you

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make better dietary and lifestyle choices.And you can find the business Casual Yogi
on Amazon. So thank you somuch. And you know, guys now
that your COVID is lifted a littlebit in a lot of areas. I
can say this with a whole heart. Get out their kids and make it
happen. I'm inappropriate.