September 4, 2025 • 60 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Off an exhausting amster wheel and into balance.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Living with Doctor Marissa from Miss Joy.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
The Doctor Marissa, also known as the Asian Oprah. Her
mission to be a beneficial presence on the planet, her
purpose to be your personal advocate, to live, lap love,
learn her life motto, don't die wondering, Take back your
life with Doctor Maurrissa Fay.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And welcome. You're tuned in to take my advice, I'm
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live right now. You can also comment and ask questions.
And today is a very special day because we're dealing
with the topic that you saw in my promo. Fran
(02:02):
Dresher came on early in my eleven years on the
air on camera now to talk about how we can
beat cancer, and at least one of my guests today
is very familiar, has been a guest on her Health Summit.
I was introduced to this esteem panel that is coming
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on now by my client and friend Teresa, who said,
You're going to have to have these gentlemen on the
show because they have great breaking research, empirically based tools
and wonderful news about how we can be cancer. So
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I'm going to introduce them now to you. Actually I
don't have the bios for one person, but I'll let
him introduce himself first. I have Mark Simon, the founder
and director of Nutritional Oncology Research Institute, also known as NORI,
that was established in twenty eleven, is a cancer research
center and a provider of nutritional support for cancer patients.
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Mark's background is clinical nutrition nutriceutical product development and is
a certified plant based nutritionist. Mark is also a certified
holistic cancer coach. Doctor Robert Hoffman is President and Chairman
of Anti Cancer, Inc. And Professor of the Department of
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Surgery at UC San Diego. With fifty five years experience
in cancer research with over eleven hundred publications and fifty
two thousand, two and eighty three citations. Doctor Hoffman is
an editorial board member of Clinical Cancer Research other places
as well as Anti Cancer Research. And then we also
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do have special guests, doctor Utaro A Bota. I hope
I said that right, And I'm gonna let him introduce
himself in a minute. But first, welcome to the show,
all of my Anti cancer Nori and uh hope for
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cancer patients to my studio. Welcome, Welcome, doctor u Torah.
Give me a little bit of what's going on. I
see you have a lot of papers, so you're a researcher.
Behind you, Uh, just give a give me a little
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short bio as well, so I make sure I cover
you yere.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You tell her where you work in Japan and here.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Sure, I'm Americal or in Japan, and I worked in
Universe City hostel in Tokyo and now I work at
Doctor Porman's Broadrick wonderful.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Uh uh do you are you familiar with Keiko Matsui Mai? Yes,
I'm sorry, Oh okay. She's a jazz musician and she's
a friend of mine, and she comes on the show
quite a bit, so she's very recognizable in Japan. That's all.
I welcome, Welcome to the show. And uh, since we
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have so many people, we're gonna forego my breakfast with
Doctor Merce. I usually start with a bite of my
gratitude sandwich and we go through eight things that we're
grateful for, so we start the show in the most
positive way. But we're going to end the show with
one thing that you are most grateful for, so we'll
hold that because I want to make sure since we
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have so many great people and experts on and I'm
in studio today to get to the subject at hand
and get everything I can out of you this morning.
So we're talking about many things and many research studies
that have shown that there are ways that we can
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prevent cancer, which is what fran Dresser came on to
talk about. And then I had Chris work On, who
is someone who had stage three or four I believe
of calling cancer. It was a while ago, but he
used diet to actually I don't know if the technical
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term is cure his cancer, but he has not had
any kind of cancer since he did that. And Teresa
told me that Mark, you are doing similar work and
have helped her. So I want you to just kick
it off now and tell me what we know now
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that we didn't know before. And then doctor Hoffman, who
is the founder of anti cancer, which is a very
interesting term that I'm also anxious to learn about how
this all applies to us. And I'm hoping that you're
tuning in. I see people already coming into the studio.
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Please feel free to put your your comments. I see
Debbie is commenting now, and I'll take a minute to
read that, but please do kick us off, Mark on
what we need to know about cancer.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Okay, Well, on the prevention side, No, I've been studying
plant based nutrition for quite a while. I have a
little technical problem.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Your sound is good.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Okay, all right, Yeah, my computer just went went plants back.
So uh. In studying plant based nutrition, you know, it
came to the realization that we can prevent a lot
of cancers through a healthy diet and lifestyle. That cancer
is largely diet and lifestyle caused, maybe up to five
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percent is actually genetic, and so I focused in a
lot on creating an optimal diet and lifestyle for cancer
prevention and so and then on the treatment side, I've
been looking at ways to optimize the diet through treatment
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for the treatment phase of cancer. And I came upon
some research related to limiting the amount of an amino
acid called methionine in the diet, which has proven to
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have profound effects on how well a cancer responds to treatment.
And doctor Hoffman has been studying this like for fifty
five years. He discovered that cancer cells are addicted to
this amino as winning. So, methionine is basically a building
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block of protein, right, and there's certain foods that have
a lot of it, and there are certain foods that
have very little of it. So we're able to create
a essentially like a targeted dietary therapy, not necessarily to
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be used alone. In some cases, we've seen just the
diet alone start to treat certain cancers. This is a
very very exciting breakthrough, revolutionary. If you look at oncology overall,
they don't use diet at all. It's just not a
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part of you know, the standard of care. You oncologists
will say, eat whatever you want, it doesn't matter. Well
that's not true.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Interesting, Interesting, doctor Hoffmann, All right, Hi, chime in.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Okay. Well, there's many causes of cancer that we know about,
and we know certain things we shouldn't do if we
don't want to get cancer, or at least lower the probability.
We shouldn't smoke, we shouldn't become OBEs. I think probably
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going towards the plant based diet is beneficial. But there's
still most things. We know some things, but we don't
know a lot of things, so there's no guarantees, there's
no certainty. Well, I ate so well and I kept
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thin and I don't smoke, and I still got cancer.
So a lot of people that happens. So we don't
understand a lot of things. But you can't go wrong
in living a healthy way, and that will lower the
probability of getting cancer.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Okay, and let me just chime in with a statistic here.
I knew when when fran came on she had said
the one into one in three, and I just wanted
to make sure because one thing that I do like
to caution everyone is where you get your news. And
I was very careful in making sure you know when.
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And I'm addressing Debbie's concern right now that and she's
absolutely correct, is that there are a lot of people who,
just like any disease, will say this is the answer,
this is the only way to treat things, This is
the only way that you're going to get better, this
is the reason why, and that is rarely true. In fact,
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it is never true. There are many ways to treat
things that we don't understand. But there is also the
other side of empirical research, and I think that's the
important thing. I think COVID has really given the whole
medical community a hard time for things that are empirically
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proven and researched. And I think it's really important that
we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. That
there are are things that have been more statistically proven,
maybe not one hundred percent. I don't think there ever,
is one hundred percent. So Debbie, I appreciate your comments,
and at the same time, I do believe that it
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is smart of us to look at the research, and
that's what we're doing today. So one in three right now,
one in three men will develop cancer in their lifetime.
One in two women, and this is in the US.
That is an alarmingly high number. And as you were saying,
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doctor Hoffman that we we don't know exactly why, right,
we can't identify. Oh, it's because you smoked, but the
statistics show there's a higher rate of cancer and people
who smoke that don't. So you'd be kind of not
very smart to say, well, I'm going to beat the
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odds and I'm going to go smoke.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
So what we're doing now is looking at the research
that Mark his institute has been doing since twenty eleven.
You said, that's a bit of time looking at the
link between diet and would you say, starving cancer. So
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that is very important. Now, anti Cancer, that's a very
provocative title. Why did you start this organization?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I started it almost forty years ago semi randomly. I
wish I had a good story and said, oh I
this this tremendous reason I started it. But this is
back in the early eighties, everybody was starting a biotech company.
I said, Okay, I'm going to start a biotech company
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and with some friends. So I didn't have a good
such a good reason. It just seemed like a thing
to do. And I I and I the term anti
cancer I kind of stole from a journal called Anti
Cancer Research. The founder and editor happens to be one
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of my best friends. But I stole a name, and
so that's how that started. Great. We in the beginning,
we tried to dive. We actually did develop a test
where you can culture the patient's tumor in the laboratory
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in a dish and then treat the cancer in the
dish with various drugs and try to find the drugs
that perhaps work better. And that that test, that was
the first thing we did, and it's the test is
called the hd R A and it's a long lot
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of technical words, don't need you know. And this test
is commercially available in Japan. It's sometimes it's easier to
develop technology that helps cancer patients in Japan than it
is here. So that's how we started. And then we
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started to put the tumors in mice in a proper way.
The tumor from a pancreas was put in the pancreas
of a mouse. This requires quite sophisticated microsurgery, but we
developed these models where the we call this p docs
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that you don't need to know all the app with
the academy, but this also is helpful I think for
patients and for drug research. You can test drugs in
these mice on the patient's tumor growing in the organ
and see if they work or not. And after many
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many years we're getting some very nice correlation between the
mice and the patient outcome. And we of course got
very good correlations with our in vitro test and growing
tumors in the in culture, good correlation between drug response
and patient outcome. And then we started to develop an
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enzyme that breaks down this amino acid methining that mark
very nicely described in which we found many many decades
ago that cancers are addicted to this amino acid.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
So that's a very that's a very interesting and kind
of it's a different way of looking at cancer, right,
so that brings it alive. It's almost like it's a
living entity.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
It's a living entity at doctor Marisa, and this is
an old story. We know. The first experiments that showed
that cancers at least require more methining than the rest
of the body was known in nineteen fifty nine. It
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was discovered by doctor Sugi Mura, who was worked who
became the most famous oncologist in Japan. But he made
this discovery at the rus National Cancer Institute that if
you take away methining from a rat that has a tumor,
the tumors slowed down more than if you take away
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other amino acids.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
So this.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Phenomenon of methining being essential for cancer growth and more
essential for cancers than the rest of the cells in
the body, we know for sixty four years, and in
the early seventies we discovered not only do the cancers
need more methining than the normal cells in the body,
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they're addicted to it. So the idea is ideas Mark said, Okay,
you start with a diet low and methining. It's not
rocket science. Mark's website as a fantastic color coded chart,
it'll show you an apple has one milligram of methining
and an equivalent amount of salmon for example, or tuna
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has seven hundred and fifty milligrams or something like that.
It's very shocking, but it's very hard to restrict methining
in the body only with diet. So we developed this
enzyme over many decades, and we weren't the first to
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start working on This enzyme is called methine and ACE,
and methine and ACE can break down this methining, this
amino acid that the cancers are addicted to. And there
were many issues in developing this enzyme for patients. And
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it was initially developed as an injectable and many years
ago we tested it in monkeys and one monkey died
and this was very shocking and sad for us. And
so many years we put this development of methine and
ACE on hold. And then in the lab this lab,
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this MESSI lab that you see here, and the message
my fault. I have attention deficit hyperactive disease that's causes
messy and.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
UH.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Doctor ching Hong Han his family name Han, made one
of the most important discoveries that this methin and ase
enzyme can be taken by mouth. You don't have to
inject it. Even though it's a big protein. It can
survive live in the stomach and in the and in
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the in the intestine. I mean, imagine if you could
take insulin by mouth, but insulin cannot survive in the
in the gastrointestinal system, but methin in ase can. The
original gene from me thin and ase came from a
very tough bacterium that lives in the soil that can
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withstand great changes in acidity and temperature. We clone that
gene into a simple bacterium that we can ferment and
produce methin and ase. So this is a and that's
where we are.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Now.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
We have this oral form of methin and ase that
can combined with a low methining diet, and it has
potential to help patients. Quite a few patients have taken it,
about one hundred and fifty or so, and there's maybe
about forty or so that are regularly taking it. These patients,
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none of them, almost none of them are only taking
the thin and ace and on a lone methinian diet.
They're taking other things. So we don't want to make
any big claims, but we're getting some very promising results
of patients with very aggressive cancer living a long time
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beyond what would be predicted, including pancreatic cancer, children with
brain cancer, metastatic rectal cancer. So I agree with your viewer, Debi.
I don't think there's such a thing as a cure
for cancer, and it be really hard to prove it
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because cancer there can be cancer cells in the body
just sitting there not doing anything for a long time,
and later start to grow. So I think the word
cure for cancer is not appropriate. So that's where we
are now. We're very much in the beginning. Our studies
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are the technical term is anecdotals results. They're not clinical
trial results, and we don't want to make any claims,
but there's quite a few patients that are doing well,
especially if they're on a low mythining diet, taking methin
and ase and various types of chemotherapy, because when you
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restrict methining in the body, we found in the laboratory
anyway over decades that it's very synergistic with almost any
kind of chemotherapy, and another group is just found it
seems like it's even synergistic with immunotherapy. Anecdotal studies with
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the patients suggest we're seeing similar effects with them as
we did in the lab over decades. But it's I
must say, it's still early and we don't want to
make any claims.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Right and I and I appreciate that, and I and
I think that is the key. Is anyone who is
out there saying theirs is the only way and this
is and this is uh, you know, the everybody needs
to do it because it's one will cure your cancer.
Of course, that is someone that you want to stay
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away from. But the fact that this is research, it
is new, it but it is having some great results.
And I know having Chris hand seems to be yeah,
seems okay, thank you. Now let me go back to Mark.
I did pull up your website before I take it off.
I see that there's quite a bit of information You've
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got the research based and your your exposure and experience
with people who have tried this. Talk to me about
what's happening and how people does it work for everyone?
Tell me a little bit more about NORI and its
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work and it's an impact.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Okay. So we offer this as a nutritional support program
for those who believe in one incorporate diet within their
treatment plan. So it's like integrative. So this is not
offered as a treatment by itself, it's not. It's just
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to really effectively treat cancer, you need a lot of
different tools all coming together at the same time when
they should be synergistic with each other, you know, support
each other. So so even stress reduction, you know, lifestyle
changes and exercise, it's all important, and diet is really
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really important and restricting behinding is you know doctor often
and I would call it fundamental and foundational. I mean,
eventually we'd like to see every cancer patient adopt this
tool within their overall treatment strategy because it's very, very powerful,
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and it's basic and important.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So I absolutely am of the opinion and this is
my BS my belief system that should you have cancer,
and my auntie had it, I have many friends, many
many friends who have had it or have it, And
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when people ask me if I believe that there's one way,
I'll say no. So I agree with Debbie as well.
And at the same time, I believe that if there
is hope, wherever there is hope, you go in that direction.
So you're going to try, as you were saying, and
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what I like what you're saying is there's balance, Like
you're not going to go one, just diet and forget
all of the other kinds of treatment. You're not going
to go just to you know, the traditional treatment. There
what harm is there of having a a multiple pronged
approach to uh rid your body, of this living thing
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that is addicted by research to the kinds of uh
I can't say it right, but the metha.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
What mean right? It's a mouthful.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
It is a mouthful. Now you torrow you you look young.
I don't know if how young you are.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
But you tell four years old?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh wow, okay, so yeah, it's our Asian thing, I think.
But why did you go into this area of research
and what has been the most surprising thing that you
have found? Uh working with doctor.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
Hoffman, Yeah, yeah, I had worked in Japan as a
medical on coursist for about twenty years, and before I
came here, I didn't care about nutrition.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (28:44):
As Matt says, most medical on coursists don't care about
nutrition nutrition survey, Yeah, such as Massoni massonists. So after
I came here, I think we should realize the importance
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of nutrition for cancer surpy. But yeah, in my opinion,
patients should receive both of them, nutrition surpy and chemosurpy
or standard of care.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Great, So so that integrated balanced approach, yes, yes, yeah, great, Mark,
if you could. Oh the thing I wanted to point
out too is both of you offer a free session
on zoom Right on a regular basis for people who
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are interested to come and learn about this. Again, not
because it is the only thing that matters, but it
is information that can help. And so for me, of
course as a psychologist, I'm an organizational psychologist. I'm going
to add I think Mark or doctor Hoffman talked about
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the importance of the mental mindset for me, that is
so important and so you can do all of the treatments,
but if you don't believe that you're going to be helped,
I think that is then it's almost futile to try anything.
So the level of the BS belief system that you
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can hold that it is possible to beat cancer, it
is possible to get well, and that BS is I
think for me, one of the most important things whatever
treatment you're trying. So I'm going to ask you to
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support me on that or it has there been research
to show that at your mental mindset on top of
treatment is more effective than not well.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
It's absolutely important. And the other thing is that this
gives the patient the power and opportunity to be part
of the treatment rather than putting it in the hands
of the doctors. This gives the patient a huge amount
of participation and control, you know, in their healing, you know,
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and that's that's through adopting you know, the right diet
and lifestyle. So you know, it gives the patient quite
a bit of power, which we get the patient hope
and motivation to move forward and fight it and overcome it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Fantastic, doctor Hoffman, it looked like you were going to
come it.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, well, I'll give you just my opinion. On the reverse,
so many patients tell us the doctor has told them
they have three months to live or six months to live,
and it becomes true because the patients lose all hope.
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So I think hope is I don't know, it's a
very strong medicine. And I cannot understand why the doctors
often take away that hope. I understand end staged, so
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called end staged, and the doctor says nothing more we
can do, and if you really translate, that means there's
nothing more that I know of we can do. And
most oncologists that I am familiar with, and that many,
but it's some the very large majority have no training
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about the role of nutrition in cancer or metabolism h
in research. Now the metabolic research on cancer as there's
somewhat of a renaissance. This started one hundred years ago
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with Professor Varborg in Germany w R B U r
G or b e RG. Now it's cycling back again more.
But the doctors say, if if on collegist says nothing
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more we can do, you should arrange your affairs. You
have a few months to live. This is a horrible
thing and it's not necessary at all. So we hope
and we try with the patients that are communicating with us,
and this weekly zoom ah I think has helped many patients.
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And the biggest help on this Zoom meeting every Saturday
morning is the patients helping each other. They support each other,
they tell what they're doing, they tell what they think
what they're doing if it's helpful for them. The patients
encourage each other, really encourage each other. And we've had
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some of the new patients that are just despondent and
they hear from the other patients there's something still we
can do. No guarantees, no certainties, but we can try.
There's some of the patients are doing very well with
their depriving their diet of methigy restricting I think is
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a better term, and taking the thin and ase. So
the patients encourage each other, and the patients often ask
me questions, well what about this? What about that? I said,
you'll get a better answer from the other patients. Ask them.
They're the ones that are doing it, They're the ones
who have their life on the line. Please ask the
other patients. And this has given the newer patients hope
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and confidence. And so this is this to me, is
the great strength of this zoom. It's it's Mark's zoom.
I'm a helper and it's a great thing. And we
have between twenty and forty folks on Saturday morning. You know,
it's kind of we're on this West coast time. It's
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not convenient for people in Japan who have to get
up at two in the morning, and some of them
do it. So this is the point, the patients encouraging
each other. This is the really most helpful thing.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Thank you. I just want to take a minute, and
I recognize people who help and take something, take what
they know to help others. I think it's why we're
on the planet, and that a lot of times, the
things that we go through that are not fun or
that are dark sometimes help us help others. And those
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who also dedicate their lives to the research to help
people who are going through something get what I call
the Doctor Marissa a Beneficial Presence on the Planet Award.
And I'd like to just take a minute and give
Mark and Robert and Utarro doctor Marissa's Beneficial Presence on
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the Planet Award for the work they're doing to help
cancer patients.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Come here a minute, the one doctor Marissa can I
introduce doctor Han. This is doctor King Hong Han. He's
the man who discovered you could take mathine and ace
by mouth, and without that we could the patients maybe
could do it and injectable mathin and ace maybe in
another ten twenty years. So he made the really big breakthrough.
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King Hong Han, that's him right there. He's a very
very modest man, but he did a great thing.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
That's wonderful.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
He produces mathine and ace here at Anti Cancer for
all the patients by himself.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Of course we wish we had a little more help.
But that's him.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
That's that's wonderful.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
He met a great man.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That's wonderful. Did you know you also were included? You
get the doctor Marissa, beneficial presence on the planet, a
war for the work that you're doing. Will give him
a little bit of bause to. I'm sell his name
for you.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Maybe you could put it on so more. First name
is ching Hong, so it's it's uh q mm hm
i n g h o n g. That's his given name.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
And a doctor.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
He's an m D a real doctor. And his family
name is han h a n.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Wonderful. Does he speak Mandarin? Yes, of course, Oh well
yes I do.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Right, Well, he'll say when he comes back here, he'll say,
he'll go to you and Mandarin.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Wonderful. All right, So what do people what are some
of the biggest misconceptions about uh cancer that you you know,
your your field and and looking at this addiction that
cancer has to a a specific protein that yes, okay,
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and so so let me just recap. If you've just
tuned in into wondering who's in my studio, I have
a plethora of of researchers here. They are all interested
in the same thing, which is helping cancer patients do
what they can and participate in their own treatment, in
(39:46):
their own healing in an area called diet, because the
the newer research is showing that cancer has an addiction
to a particular amino acid, and by taking an enzyme
that breaks that amino acid down and restricting the amounts
(40:07):
of foods that carry that amino acid, help shrink tumors,
help you beat cancer. And that's why they're on my
show today. How did I do for learning something? How accurate?
Speaker 4 (40:22):
I great? You did great? And I'm just going to
have one thing is that I think in the majority
of cases, just restricting methining by diet and methine and
ase maybe for some relatively non aggressive cancers it's helping people.
(40:44):
But if there is an aggressive cancer, I think it's
very important to include the chemotherapy that's been shown to
work the best for that particular cancer along with methine
restriction and to get synergy. It's possible in the in
the lab over the decades, we've shown synergy with methine
(41:06):
and restriction for every kind of chemotherapy. It seems to
be the case so far in the clinic, but it's
very very early and the studies are all anecdotal, but
I strongly recommend the patients with aggressive cancer get the
chemotherapy that their oncologists recommends, and then they can augment
(41:29):
it with restricting methining. Then there's no side effects from
lowering the thining in the body.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
That was my next question, thank.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
You, because but between the diet and oral methine and ase,
it's it seems it's not possible to get below the
requirement of the normal cells. Maybe if we were injecting
me thine and ase into into the into the blood circulation,
we could get a very low level of methining. That
(42:00):
would cause some side effects, some anemia. We saw some
anemia and the monkeys years ago. But the oral methin
and ase and the diet will not cause side effects.
People need to watch there. If they're losing weight, they
need to moderate their diet a little bit. Take some
(42:21):
moderate foods with moderate amounts of methining. The chart on
Mark's website is a bible. They can see every kind
of food. It's color coded. You need a little bit
more calories, but still want to moderate your still want
relatively low mathining. There's your chart, and you can cheat
a little bit if you're taking the thin and ace
(42:43):
because it'll break down the extra methining in your body. So,
actually the charts on another web Marx website, it's how
how to starve cancer and naturally all one word, no space,
dot com and there's a number of pages. One page
you'll say, methining chart. I think every cancer patient should
(43:06):
look at this chart. There is no downside on being
on a lomathining diet. If you put a rat on
a lomathining diet, that's healthy. It lives another thirty percent
in lifetime. So and it doesn't get obese, it doesn't
get it doesn't get diabetes. So a lomathining diet is
(43:27):
a great lifestyle for everybody. Cancer patients, normal people, obese people.
It's there's no downside, it's a it's a very healthy lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Not this one, oh, not this one.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
It's how does you got to put the word naturally
at the end. Everybody's starting cancer. The websites da da, da,
da da. But Mark's website is very special, how to
starve cancer naturally. Get that little naturally at the end,
no spaces between the words, and you'll see different pages,
and one will be methining. Sorry, I can't even say
(44:05):
the word.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
There it is.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
There, it is. And if you go to the methining
chart page, doctor Marissa, there it is this chart. It's
a bible. Every everybody should read this chart for for
good health. There it is color coded.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Right now, when are we going to get to the
point where it's not anecdotal? Are you working on quantitative
uh studies versus just qualitative studies?
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Okay, this is a great.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Question, thank you, of course, PhDs.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Well you know, PhDs, you.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Already one pile higher and deeper in despair.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
So poverty is a problem. So uh, clinical trials or
hundreds of millions of dollars, somebody's got to pay for that.
Our studies are quantitative. Every patient we study quantitatively their
blood markers, their the size of their scans. But the
(45:15):
ultimate clinical trial is a phase three clinical trial. It's
called a randomized.
Speaker 11 (45:25):
Trial.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
It will have one the patients will be divided by
a statistician very scientifically into a treatment group and a
placebo group. You need hundreds of patients for such a trial.
You probably need hundreds of millions of dollars, a huge
amount of money So when are we going to have
(45:49):
this for mathiin and ase, I don't think in my lifetime.
I'm seventy nine years old. I don't have time to
stop what we're doing and and hope in the next
ten or twenty years we can do such a trial.
So I'm sorry, doctor Marisa, I don't see this in
(46:11):
the current time frame. The pharmaceutical companies are not interested
in methine and ace. It's not going to get the
billions that of the drugs that the pharmaceutical companies invest in.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
It's just why why wait, I mean, it doesn't make
any sense to me. I mean, this is okay, so
let me let me just let me just put the
moose on the table, okay. So, uh, that's my Canadian
version of talking about the elephant in the room. All right,
So I've heard that there are natural cures to cancer,
(46:53):
and because it threatens the billion dollar industry of pharmaceutical
and or chemotherapy and or the traditional ways in which
people think this is the only way to cure cancer
the Western Uh, this is the only way that we
know medical approach that there's actually people being killed who
(47:19):
stand up and say, you know, no, you can actually cure,
maybe not cure, but you can beat cancer or at
least live a cancer free life in remission if you
have your diet or whatever other natural solutions there are.
And I know that fran Dress Dreasure goes on a
(47:42):
limb with her cancer schmancer site and actually will say,
you can't cure cancer, but you can prevent it. So
is there any truth to all of that conspiracy theory
so to speak? Please comment on that?
Speaker 4 (47:59):
May I comment, I've dealt with this for decades. I
don't think there's a conspiracy. And I don't think the
pharmaceutical industry is threatened by any of this. It's just so,
it's just not in their interest. They want. The pharmaceutical
companies are companies. They want to make big money. Okay,
(48:23):
that's what they do. Companies want to make big money.
I get it. So they're not threatened by any of this.
And there is no cure, there is no way. We
don't know enough. We just don't. We don't know nearly
enough to about even saying this word cure. So they're
(48:44):
not threatened by that. In my opinion, they're out to
make big money. When I first way back when I
first started in the early seventies when President Nixon made
the War on cancer the most the best selling drug
was a drug called Idria mysin it's the scientific term.
(49:08):
As doctor rubusen, we don't need to know all that.
It was one hundred and twenty five million dollars a year,
and that was a best seller for a long time.
And then as the decades went the cancer drugs became
very expensive. Now you have immunotherapy drugs, for example, k
Truda twenty. The last year's income for Merk on that
(49:31):
drug was twenty four billion.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
And so they're not threatened by any of what we do.
They're just not they're not interested. Are you going to
make twenty four billion dollars a year on the fining ace?
And you know, and the drug companies they compete with
each other, but they follow each other. It's women's fashion
or men's fashion whatever, And what's fashionable is maybe the
(50:00):
peak is a little bit over Immune out there huge money,
huge money, and all the oncologists prescribe it, and the
oncologists do well. They're the only doctors that can sell
the drugs. They're the only doctors allowed to be pharmacists,
so they get a huge cut of the drugs that
they prescribe and they go for it. Everybody's making help.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
But this is definitely the dark side is not in
this equation. Yeah yeah, Mark, please chime in here. We've
got three minutes left and you've been very patient and
I know, but I we could probably do a whole
day on this and we'll definitely have you back. But Mark,
(50:45):
please your.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
Views, that would be great to have us all back.
My views are this is it's time already that oncologists
instead of telling their patients, and I hear this all
the time. You know, the patient will ask, well, what
should I eat or not eat? I said, it doesn't matter,
(51:08):
and we're gonna put you to chemotherapy. We don't want
you to lose weight. So you can eat steaks, you
can need ice cream, you know, whatever you want. This
is so common and I find that very upsetting when
we know the diet can be a hugely important tool
and help the process.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
I see, your animal products are a big.
Speaker 6 (51:36):
You got to go so at a minimum, At a minimum,
I recommend you all cancer patients, or if you're in
a remission, go plant based. Want a healthy, low fat,
plant based whole foods diet. This will go a long,
long way. If you're in treatment, we can help you
take this plant based diet and turn it into a
(52:00):
therapeutically you know, targeted diet, and we could add methion
a's and you've probably incorporated the most powerful till you
can in your treatment plan.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
This is basically tell you something from the New York
Times yesterday.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yes, please can you see this sort of go ahead
and read the headline for mead line.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
This was in New York Times yesterday, Wait and watch
urged urged in more prostate cases, just wait, wait for
the cancer to grow. So this is This was in
(52:50):
the Science Times of the New York Times yesterday. This
is the new way for men who are diagnosed with
prostate camps.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
To not be treatment at all.
Speaker 4 (53:03):
No, and okay, I can see no standard treatment. Why
not go on the diet that Mark's marks has outlined
is so nicely in the chart. Why why you have
to wait for Wait and watch means just wait and grow?
Go on it? And actually, for prostate cancer, we know
(53:24):
diet is important since Dean Ornish discovered this decade ago.
So this is people are given them wrong, wrong advice.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yes, and we are out of time. I'm going to
have to close off, but thank you so much for
sharing this information. If you know anyone with cancer, please
have them go and join in on the Zoom the
Free Zoom every Saturday for more information. You have two
websites that I've put up. Thank you so much, gentlemen
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Thank you, Doctor Marisa. Thank you for all the great
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all of my Anti cancer Nori and uh hope for
(04:19):
cancer patients to my studio. Welcome, Welcome, doctor u Torah.
Give me a little bit of what's going on. I
see you have a lot of papers, so you're a researcher.
Behind you, Uh, just give a give me a little
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short bio as well, so I make sure I cover
you yere.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You tell her where you work in Japan and here.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Sure, I'm Americal or in Japan, and I worked in
Universe City hostel in Tokyo and now I work at
Doctor Porman's Broadrick wonderful.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Uh uh do you are you familiar with Keiko Matsui Mai? Yes,
I'm sorry, Oh okay. She's a jazz musician and she's
a friend of mine, and she comes on the show
quite a bit, so she's very recognizable in Japan. That's all.
I welcome, Welcome to the show. And uh, since we
(05:35):
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Doctor Merce. I usually start with a bite of my
gratitude sandwich and we go through eight things that we're
grateful for, so we start the show in the most
positive way. But we're going to end the show with
one thing that you are most grateful for, so we'll
hold that because I want to make sure since we
(05:56):
have so many great people and experts on and I'm
in studio today to get to the subject at hand
and get everything I can out of you this morning.
So we're talking about many things and many research studies
that have shown that there are ways that we can
(06:18):
prevent cancer, which is what fran Dresser came on to
talk about. And then I had Chris work On, who
is someone who had stage three or four I believe
of calling cancer. It was a while ago, but he
used diet to actually I don't know if the technical
(06:42):
term is cure his cancer, but he has not had
any kind of cancer since he did that. And Teresa
told me that Mark, you are doing similar work and
have helped her. So I want you to just kick
it off now and tell me what we know now
(07:03):
that we didn't know before. And then doctor Hoffman, who
is the founder of anti cancer, which is a very
interesting term that I'm also anxious to learn about how
this all applies to us. And I'm hoping that you're
tuning in. I see people already coming into the studio.
(07:24):
Please feel free to put your your comments. I see
Debbie is commenting now, and I'll take a minute to
read that, but please do kick us off, Mark on
what we need to know about cancer.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Okay, Well, on the prevention side, No, I've been studying
plant based nutrition for quite a while. I have a
little technical problem.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Your sound is good.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Okay, all right, Yeah, my computer just went went plants back.
So uh. In studying plant based nutrition, you know, it
came to the realization that we can prevent a lot
of cancers through a healthy diet and lifestyle. That cancer
is largely diet and lifestyle caused, maybe up to five
(08:24):
percent is actually genetic, and so I focused in a
lot on creating an optimal diet and lifestyle for cancer
prevention and so and then on the treatment side, I've
been looking at ways to optimize the diet through treatment
(08:46):
for the treatment phase of cancer. And I came upon
some research related to limiting the amount of an amino
acid called methionine in the diet, which has proven to
(09:07):
have profound effects on how well a cancer responds to treatment.
And doctor Hoffman has been studying this like for fifty
five years. He discovered that cancer cells are addicted to
this amino as winning. So, methionine is basically a building
(09:34):
block of protein, right, and there's certain foods that have
a lot of it, and there are certain foods that
have very little of it. So we're able to create
a essentially like a targeted dietary therapy, not necessarily to
(09:55):
be used alone. In some cases, we've seen just the
diet alone start to treat certain cancers. This is a
very very exciting breakthrough, revolutionary. If you look at oncology overall,
they don't use diet at all. It's just not a
(10:16):
part of you know, the standard of care. You oncologists
will say, eat whatever you want, it doesn't matter. Well
that's not true.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Interesting, Interesting, doctor Hoffmann, All right, Hi, chime in.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Okay. Well, there's many causes of cancer that we know about,
and we know certain things we shouldn't do if we
don't want to get cancer, or at least lower the probability.
We shouldn't smoke, we shouldn't become OBEs. I think probably
(10:59):
going towards the plant based diet is beneficial. But there's
still most things. We know some things, but we don't
know a lot of things, so there's no guarantees, there's
no certainty. Well, I ate so well and I kept
(11:20):
thin and I don't smoke, and I still got cancer.
So a lot of people that happens. So we don't
understand a lot of things. But you can't go wrong
in living a healthy way, and that will lower the
probability of getting cancer.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Okay, and let me just chime in with a statistic here.
I knew when when fran came on she had said
the one into one in three, and I just wanted
to make sure because one thing that I do like
to caution everyone is where you get your news. And
I was very careful in making sure you know when.
(12:06):
And I'm addressing Debbie's concern right now that and she's
absolutely correct, is that there are a lot of people who,
just like any disease, will say this is the answer,
this is the only way to treat things, This is
the only way that you're going to get better, this
is the reason why, and that is rarely true. In fact,
(12:29):
it is never true. There are many ways to treat
things that we don't understand. But there is also the
other side of empirical research, and I think that's the
important thing. I think COVID has really given the whole
medical community a hard time for things that are empirically
(12:54):
proven and researched. And I think it's really important that
we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. That
there are are things that have been more statistically proven,
maybe not one hundred percent. I don't think there ever,
is one hundred percent. So Debbie, I appreciate your comments,
and at the same time, I do believe that it
(13:14):
is smart of us to look at the research, and
that's what we're doing today. So one in three right now,
one in three men will develop cancer in their lifetime.
One in two women, and this is in the US.
That is an alarmingly high number. And as you were saying,
(13:36):
doctor Hoffman that we we don't know exactly why, right,
we can't identify. Oh, it's because you smoked, but the
statistics show there's a higher rate of cancer and people
who smoke that don't. So you'd be kind of not
very smart to say, well, I'm going to beat the
(13:57):
odds and I'm going to go smoke.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
So what we're doing now is looking at the research
that Mark his institute has been doing since twenty eleven.
You said, that's a bit of time looking at the
link between diet and would you say, starving cancer. So
(14:20):
that is very important. Now, anti Cancer, that's a very
provocative title. Why did you start this organization?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I started it almost forty years ago semi randomly. I
wish I had a good story and said, oh I
this this tremendous reason I started it. But this is
back in the early eighties, everybody was starting a biotech company.
I said, Okay, I'm going to start a biotech company
(14:55):
and with some friends. So I didn't have a good
such a good reason. It just seemed like a thing
to do. And I I and I the term anti
cancer I kind of stole from a journal called Anti
Cancer Research. The founder and editor happens to be one
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of my best friends. But I stole a name, and
so that's how that started. Great. We in the beginning,
we tried to dive. We actually did develop a test
where you can culture the patient's tumor in the laboratory
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in a dish and then treat the cancer in the
dish with various drugs and try to find the drugs
that perhaps work better. And that that test, that was
the first thing we did, and it's the test is
called the hd R A and it's a long lot
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of technical words, don't need you know. And this test
is commercially available in Japan. It's sometimes it's easier to
develop technology that helps cancer patients in Japan than it
is here. So that's how we started. And then we
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started to put the tumors in mice in a proper way.
The tumor from a pancreas was put in the pancreas
of a mouse. This requires quite sophisticated microsurgery, but we
developed these models where the we call this p docs
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that you don't need to know all the app with
the academy, but this also is helpful I think for
patients and for drug research. You can test drugs in
these mice on the patient's tumor growing in the organ
and see if they work or not. And after many
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many years we're getting some very nice correlation between the
mice and the patient outcome. And we of course got
very good correlations with our in vitro test and growing
tumors in the in culture, good correlation between drug response
and patient outcome. And then we started to develop an
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enzyme that breaks down this amino acid methining that mark
very nicely described in which we found many many decades
ago that cancers are addicted to this amino acid.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
So that's a very that's a very interesting and kind
of it's a different way of looking at cancer, right,
so that brings it alive. It's almost like it's a
living entity.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
It's a living entity at doctor Marisa, and this is
an old story. We know. The first experiments that showed
that cancers at least require more methining than the rest
of the body was known in nineteen fifty nine. It
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was discovered by doctor Sugi Mura, who was worked who
became the most famous oncologist in Japan. But he made
this discovery at the rus National Cancer Institute that if
you take away methining from a rat that has a tumor,
the tumors slowed down more than if you take away
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other amino acids.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
So this.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Phenomenon of methining being essential for cancer growth and more
essential for cancers than the rest of the cells in
the body, we know for sixty four years, and in
the early seventies we discovered not only do the cancers
need more methining than the normal cells in the body,
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they're addicted to it. So the idea is ideas Mark said, Okay,
you start with a diet low and methining. It's not
rocket science. Mark's website as a fantastic color coded chart,
it'll show you an apple has one milligram of methining
and an equivalent amount of salmon for example, or tuna
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has seven hundred and fifty milligrams or something like that.
It's very shocking, but it's very hard to restrict methining
in the body only with diet. So we developed this
enzyme over many decades, and we weren't the first to
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start working on This enzyme is called methine and ACE,
and methine and ACE can break down this methining, this
amino acid that the cancers are addicted to. And there
were many issues in developing this enzyme for patients. And
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it was initially developed as an injectable and many years
ago we tested it in monkeys and one monkey died
and this was very shocking and sad for us. And
so many years we put this development of methine and
ACE on hold. And then in the lab this lab,
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this MESSI lab that you see here, and the message
my fault. I have attention deficit hyperactive disease that's causes
messy and.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
UH.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Doctor ching Hong Han his family name Han, made one
of the most important discoveries that this methin and ase
enzyme can be taken by mouth. You don't have to
inject it. Even though it's a big protein. It can
survive live in the stomach and in the and in
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the in the intestine. I mean, imagine if you could
take insulin by mouth, but insulin cannot survive in the
in the gastrointestinal system, but methin in ase can. The
original gene from me thin and ase came from a
very tough bacterium that lives in the soil that can
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withstand great changes in acidity and temperature. We clone that
gene into a simple bacterium that we can ferment and
produce methin and ase. So this is a and that's
where we are.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Now.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
We have this oral form of methin and ase that
can combined with a low methining diet, and it has
potential to help patients. Quite a few patients have taken it,
about one hundred and fifty or so, and there's maybe
about forty or so that are regularly taking it. These patients,
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none of them, almost none of them are only taking
the thin and ace and on a lone methinian diet.
They're taking other things. So we don't want to make
any big claims, but we're getting some very promising results
of patients with very aggressive cancer living a long time
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beyond what would be predicted, including pancreatic cancer, children with
brain cancer, metastatic rectal cancer. So I agree with your viewer, Debi.
I don't think there's such a thing as a cure
for cancer, and it be really hard to prove it
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because cancer there can be cancer cells in the body
just sitting there not doing anything for a long time,
and later start to grow. So I think the word
cure for cancer is not appropriate. So that's where we
are now. We're very much in the beginning. Our studies
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are the technical term is anecdotals results. They're not clinical
trial results, and we don't want to make any claims,
but there's quite a few patients that are doing well,
especially if they're on a low mythining diet, taking methin
and ase and various types of chemotherapy, because when you
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restrict methining in the body, we found in the laboratory
anyway over decades that it's very synergistic with almost any
kind of chemotherapy, and another group is just found it
seems like it's even synergistic with immunotherapy. Anecdotal studies with
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the patients suggest we're seeing similar effects with them as
we did in the lab over decades. But it's I
must say, it's still early and we don't want to
make any claims.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Right and I and I appreciate that, and I and
I think that is the key. Is anyone who is
out there saying theirs is the only way and this
is and this is uh, you know, the everybody needs
to do it because it's one will cure your cancer.
Of course, that is someone that you want to stay
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away from. But the fact that this is research, it
is new, it but it is having some great results.
And I know having Chris hand seems to be yeah,
seems okay, thank you. Now let me go back to Mark.
I did pull up your website before I take it off.
I see that there's quite a bit of information You've
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got the research based and your your exposure and experience
with people who have tried this. Talk to me about
what's happening and how people does it work for everyone?
Tell me a little bit more about NORI and its
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work and it's an impact.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Okay. So we offer this as a nutritional support program
for those who believe in one incorporate diet within their
treatment plan. So it's like integrative. So this is not
offered as a treatment by itself, it's not. It's just
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to really effectively treat cancer, you need a lot of
different tools all coming together at the same time when
they should be synergistic with each other, you know, support
each other. So so even stress reduction, you know, lifestyle
changes and exercise, it's all important, and diet is really
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really important and restricting behinding is you know doctor often
and I would call it fundamental and foundational. I mean,
eventually we'd like to see every cancer patient adopt this
tool within their overall treatment strategy because it's very, very powerful,
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and it's basic and important.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So I absolutely am of the opinion and this is
my BS my belief system that should you have cancer,
and my auntie had it, I have many friends, many
many friends who have had it or have it, And
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when people ask me if I believe that there's one way,
I'll say no. So I agree with Debbie as well.
And at the same time, I believe that if there
is hope, wherever there is hope, you go in that direction.
So you're going to try, as you were saying, and
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what I like what you're saying is there's balance, Like
you're not going to go one, just diet and forget
all of the other kinds of treatment. You're not going
to go just to you know, the traditional treatment. There
what harm is there of having a a multiple pronged
approach to uh rid your body, of this living thing
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that is addicted by research to the kinds of uh
I can't say it right, but the metha.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
What mean right? It's a mouthful.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
It is a mouthful. Now you torrow you you look young.
I don't know if how young you are.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
But you tell four years old?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh wow, okay, so yeah, it's our Asian thing, I think.
But why did you go into this area of research
and what has been the most surprising thing that you
have found? Uh working with doctor.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
Hoffman, Yeah, yeah, I had worked in Japan as a
medical on coursist for about twenty years, and before I
came here, I didn't care about nutrition.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (28:44):
As Matt says, most medical on coursists don't care about
nutrition nutrition survey, Yeah, such as Massoni massonists. So after
I came here, I think we should realize the importance
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of nutrition for cancer surpy. But yeah, in my opinion,
patients should receive both of them, nutrition surpy and chemosurpy
or standard of care.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Great, So so that integrated balanced approach, yes, yes, yeah, great, Mark,
if you could. Oh the thing I wanted to point
out too is both of you offer a free session
on zoom Right on a regular basis for people who
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are interested to come and learn about this. Again, not
because it is the only thing that matters, but it
is information that can help. And so for me, of
course as a psychologist, I'm an organizational psychologist. I'm going
to add I think Mark or doctor Hoffman talked about
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the importance of the mental mindset for me, that is
so important and so you can do all of the treatments,
but if you don't believe that you're going to be helped,
I think that is then it's almost futile to try anything.
So the level of the BS belief system that you
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can hold that it is possible to beat cancer, it
is possible to get well, and that BS is I
think for me, one of the most important things whatever
treatment you're trying. So I'm going to ask you to
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support me on that or it has there been research
to show that at your mental mindset on top of
treatment is more effective than not well.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
It's absolutely important. And the other thing is that this
gives the patient the power and opportunity to be part
of the treatment rather than putting it in the hands
of the doctors. This gives the patient a huge amount
of participation and control, you know, in their healing, you know,
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and that's that's through adopting you know, the right diet
and lifestyle. So you know, it gives the patient quite
a bit of power, which we get the patient hope
and motivation to move forward and fight it and overcome it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Fantastic, doctor Hoffman, it looked like you were going to
come it.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, well, I'll give you just my opinion. On the reverse,
so many patients tell us the doctor has told them
they have three months to live or six months to live,
and it becomes true because the patients lose all hope.
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So I think hope is I don't know, it's a
very strong medicine. And I cannot understand why the doctors
often take away that hope. I understand end staged, so
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called end staged, and the doctor says nothing more we
can do, and if you really translate, that means there's
nothing more that I know of we can do. And
most oncologists that I am familiar with, and that many,
but it's some the very large majority have no training
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about the role of nutrition in cancer or metabolism h
in research. Now the metabolic research on cancer as there's
somewhat of a renaissance. This started one hundred years ago
(33:29):
with Professor Varborg in Germany w R B U r
G or b e RG. Now it's cycling back again more.
But the doctors say, if if on collegist says nothing
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more we can do, you should arrange your affairs. You
have a few months to live. This is a horrible
thing and it's not necessary at all. So we hope
and we try with the patients that are communicating with us,
and this weekly zoom ah I think has helped many patients.
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And the biggest help on this Zoom meeting every Saturday
morning is the patients helping each other. They support each other,
they tell what they're doing, they tell what they think
what they're doing if it's helpful for them. The patients
encourage each other, really encourage each other. And we've had
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some of the new patients that are just despondent and
they hear from the other patients there's something still we
can do. No guarantees, no certainties, but we can try.
There's some of the patients are doing very well with
their depriving their diet of methigy restricting I think is
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a better term, and taking the thin and ase. So
the patients encourage each other, and the patients often ask
me questions, well what about this? What about that? I said,
you'll get a better answer from the other patients. Ask them.
They're the ones that are doing it, They're the ones
who have their life on the line. Please ask the
other patients. And this has given the newer patients hope
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and confidence. And so this is this to me, is
the great strength of this zoom. It's it's Mark's zoom.
I'm a helper and it's a great thing. And we
have between twenty and forty folks on Saturday morning. You know,
it's kind of we're on this West coast time. It's
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not convenient for people in Japan who have to get
up at two in the morning, and some of them
do it. So this is the point, the patients encouraging
each other. This is the really most helpful thing.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Thank you. I just want to take a minute, and
I recognize people who help and take something, take what
they know to help others. I think it's why we're
on the planet, and that a lot of times, the
things that we go through that are not fun or
that are dark sometimes help us help others. And those
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who also dedicate their lives to the research to help
people who are going through something get what I call
the Doctor Marissa a Beneficial Presence on the Planet Award.
And I'd like to just take a minute and give
Mark and Robert and Utarro doctor Marissa's Beneficial Presence on
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the Planet Award for the work they're doing to help
cancer patients.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Come here a minute, the one doctor Marissa can I
introduce doctor Han. This is doctor King Hong Han. He's
the man who discovered you could take mathine and ace
by mouth, and without that we could the patients maybe
could do it and injectable mathin and ace maybe in
another ten twenty years. So he made the really big breakthrough.
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King Hong Han, that's him right there. He's a very
very modest man, but he did a great thing.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
That's wonderful.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
He produces mathine and ace here at Anti Cancer for
all the patients by himself.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Of course we wish we had a little more help.
But that's him.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
That's that's wonderful.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
He met a great man.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That's wonderful. Did you know you also were included? You
get the doctor Marissa, beneficial presence on the planet, a
war for the work that you're doing. Will give him
a little bit of bause to. I'm sell his name
for you.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Maybe you could put it on so more. First name
is ching Hong, so it's it's uh q mm hm
i n g h o n g. That's his given name.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
And a doctor.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
He's an m D a real doctor. And his family
name is han h a n.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Wonderful. Does he speak Mandarin? Yes, of course, Oh well
yes I do.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Right, Well, he'll say when he comes back here, he'll say,
he'll go to you and Mandarin.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Wonderful. All right, So what do people what are some
of the biggest misconceptions about uh cancer that you you know,
your your field and and looking at this addiction that
cancer has to a a specific protein that yes, okay,
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and so so let me just recap. If you've just
tuned in into wondering who's in my studio, I have
a plethora of of researchers here. They are all interested
in the same thing, which is helping cancer patients do
what they can and participate in their own treatment, in
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their own healing in an area called diet, because the
the newer research is showing that cancer has an addiction
to a particular amino acid, and by taking an enzyme
that breaks that amino acid down and restricting the amounts
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of foods that carry that amino acid, help shrink tumors,
help you beat cancer. And that's why they're on my
show today. How did I do for learning something? How accurate?
Speaker 4 (40:22):
I great? You did great? And I'm just going to
have one thing is that I think in the majority
of cases, just restricting methining by diet and methine and
ase maybe for some relatively non aggressive cancers it's helping people.
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But if there is an aggressive cancer, I think it's
very important to include the chemotherapy that's been shown to
work the best for that particular cancer along with methine
restriction and to get synergy. It's possible in the in
the lab over the decades, we've shown synergy with methine
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and restriction for every kind of chemotherapy. It seems to
be the case so far in the clinic, but it's
very very early and the studies are all anecdotal, but
I strongly recommend the patients with aggressive cancer get the
chemotherapy that their oncologists recommends, and then they can augment
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it with restricting methining. Then there's no side effects from
lowering the thining in the body.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
That was my next question, thank.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
You, because but between the diet and oral methine and ase,
it's it seems it's not possible to get below the
requirement of the normal cells. Maybe if we were injecting
me thine and ase into into the into the blood circulation,
we could get a very low level of methining. That
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would cause some side effects, some anemia. We saw some
anemia and the monkeys years ago. But the oral methin
and ase and the diet will not cause side effects.
People need to watch there. If they're losing weight, they
need to moderate their diet a little bit. Take some
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moderate foods with moderate amounts of methining. The chart on
Mark's website is a bible. They can see every kind
of food. It's color coded. You need a little bit
more calories, but still want to moderate your still want
relatively low mathining. There's your chart, and you can cheat
a little bit if you're taking the thin and ace
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because it'll break down the extra methining in your body. So,
actually the charts on another web Marx website, it's how
how to starve cancer and naturally all one word, no space,
dot com and there's a number of pages. One page
you'll say, methining chart. I think every cancer patient should
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look at this chart. There is no downside on being
on a lomathining diet. If you put a rat on
a lomathining diet, that's healthy. It lives another thirty percent
in lifetime. So and it doesn't get obese, it doesn't
get it doesn't get diabetes. So a lomathining diet is
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a great lifestyle for everybody. Cancer patients, normal people, obese people.
It's there's no downside, it's a it's a very healthy lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Not this one, oh, not this one.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
It's how does you got to put the word naturally
at the end. Everybody's starting cancer. The websites da da, da,
da da. But Mark's website is very special, how to
starve cancer naturally. Get that little naturally at the end,
no spaces between the words, and you'll see different pages,
and one will be methining. Sorry, I can't even say
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the word.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
There it is.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
There, it is. And if you go to the methining
chart page, doctor Marissa, there it is this chart. It's
a bible. Every everybody should read this chart for for
good health. There it is color coded.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Right now, when are we going to get to the
point where it's not anecdotal? Are you working on quantitative
uh studies versus just qualitative studies?
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Okay, this is a great.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Question, thank you, of course, PhDs.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Well you know, PhDs, you.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Already one pile higher and deeper in despair.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
So poverty is a problem. So uh, clinical trials or
hundreds of millions of dollars, somebody's got to pay for that.
Our studies are quantitative. Every patient we study quantitatively their
blood markers, their the size of their scans. But the
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ultimate clinical trial is a phase three clinical trial. It's
called a randomized.
Speaker 11 (45:25):
Trial.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
It will have one the patients will be divided by
a statistician very scientifically into a treatment group and a
placebo group. You need hundreds of patients for such a trial.
You probably need hundreds of millions of dollars, a huge
amount of money So when are we going to have
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this for mathiin and ase, I don't think in my lifetime.
I'm seventy nine years old. I don't have time to
stop what we're doing and and hope in the next
ten or twenty years we can do such a trial.
So I'm sorry, doctor Marisa, I don't see this in
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the current time frame. The pharmaceutical companies are not interested
in methine and ace. It's not going to get the
billions that of the drugs that the pharmaceutical companies invest in.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
It's just why why wait, I mean, it doesn't make
any sense to me. I mean, this is okay, so
let me let me just let me just put the
moose on the table, okay. So, uh, that's my Canadian
version of talking about the elephant in the room. All right,
So I've heard that there are natural cures to cancer,
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and because it threatens the billion dollar industry of pharmaceutical
and or chemotherapy and or the traditional ways in which
people think this is the only way to cure cancer
the Western Uh, this is the only way that we
know medical approach that there's actually people being killed who
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stand up and say, you know, no, you can actually cure,
maybe not cure, but you can beat cancer or at
least live a cancer free life in remission if you
have your diet or whatever other natural solutions there are.
And I know that fran Dress Dreasure goes on a
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limb with her cancer schmancer site and actually will say,
you can't cure cancer, but you can prevent it. So
is there any truth to all of that conspiracy theory
so to speak? Please comment on that?
Speaker 4 (47:59):
May I comment, I've dealt with this for decades. I
don't think there's a conspiracy. And I don't think the
pharmaceutical industry is threatened by any of this. It's just so,
it's just not in their interest. They want. The pharmaceutical
companies are companies. They want to make big money. Okay,
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that's what they do. Companies want to make big money.
I get it. So they're not threatened by any of this.
And there is no cure, there is no way. We
don't know enough. We just don't. We don't know nearly
enough to about even saying this word cure. So they're
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not threatened by that. In my opinion, they're out to
make big money. When I first way back when I
first started in the early seventies when President Nixon made
the War on cancer the most the best selling drug
was a drug called Idria mysin it's the scientific term.
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As doctor rubusen, we don't need to know all that.
It was one hundred and twenty five million dollars a year,
and that was a best seller for a long time.
And then as the decades went the cancer drugs became
very expensive. Now you have immunotherapy drugs, for example, k
Truda twenty. The last year's income for Merk on that
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drug was twenty four billion.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
And so they're not threatened by any of what we do.
They're just not they're not interested. Are you going to
make twenty four billion dollars a year on the fining ace?
And you know, and the drug companies they compete with
each other, but they follow each other. It's women's fashion
or men's fashion whatever, And what's fashionable is maybe the
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peak is a little bit over Immune out there huge money,
huge money, and all the oncologists prescribe it, and the
oncologists do well. They're the only doctors that can sell
the drugs. They're the only doctors allowed to be pharmacists,
so they get a huge cut of the drugs that
they prescribe and they go for it. Everybody's making help.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
But this is definitely the dark side is not in
this equation. Yeah yeah, Mark, please chime in here. We've
got three minutes left and you've been very patient and
I know, but I we could probably do a whole
day on this and we'll definitely have you back. But Mark,
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please your.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
Views, that would be great to have us all back.
My views are this is it's time already that oncologists
instead of telling their patients, and I hear this all
the time. You know, the patient will ask, well, what
should I eat or not eat? I said, it doesn't matter,
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and we're gonna put you to chemotherapy. We don't want
you to lose weight. So you can eat steaks, you
can need ice cream, you know, whatever you want. This
is so common and I find that very upsetting when
we know the diet can be a hugely important tool
and help the process.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
I see, your animal products are a big.
Speaker 6 (51:36):
You got to go so at a minimum, At a minimum,
I recommend you all cancer patients, or if you're in
a remission, go plant based. Want a healthy, low fat,
plant based whole foods diet. This will go a long,
long way. If you're in treatment, we can help you
take this plant based diet and turn it into a
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therapeutically you know, targeted diet, and we could add methion
a's and you've probably incorporated the most powerful till you
can in your treatment plan.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
This is basically tell you something from the New York
Times yesterday.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yes, please can you see this sort of go ahead
and read the headline for mead line.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
This was in New York Times yesterday, Wait and watch
urged urged in more prostate cases, just wait, wait for
the cancer to grow. So this is This was in
(52:50):
the Science Times of the New York Times yesterday. This
is the new way for men who are diagnosed with
prostate camps.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
To not be treatment at all.
Speaker 4 (53:03):
No, and okay, I can see no standard treatment. Why
not go on the diet that Mark's marks has outlined
is so nicely in the chart. Why why you have
to wait for Wait and watch means just wait and grow?
Go on it? And actually, for prostate cancer, we know
(53:24):
diet is important since Dean Ornish discovered this decade ago.
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