October 4, 2023 • 47 mins
Best-selling author Sue Frederick talks about living your best life in her book Through A Divine Lens: Practices to Quiet Your Ego and Align with Your Soul.
Discover the power of the Divine Lens and learn how to manifest your greatest aspirations into existence. This transformational tool can create miracles, allowing you to turn your most cherished dreams into tangible realities. With the Divine Lens, you can unlock your potential to achieve the impossible and create a life beyond your wildest imagination. Let this tool guide you as you embark on self-discovery and personal growth.
Every day, we have an inner battle between two parts of ourselves: our ego and our soul. When we view the world through our ego lens, life can seem tragic, random, meaningless, and painful. From our soul’s perspective, we find divine order and soul agreements in every event.
Sue Frederick offers guidance on how to connect with your soul and view life from a spiritual perspective. She provides practical exercises and tools to help you tap into your personal power. According to Frederick, everyone has a unique soul purpose to fulfill in this life and to make a positive impact on others. However, we sometimes encounter obstacles that cause us to lose sight of our soul’s true wisdom and allow our ego to take control, leading to self-doubt and insecurity. Nevertheless, Frederick reminds us that every challenge is an opportunity to awaken and transform our victim mentality into a realization that our soul is here for a greater purpose.
This podcast and book offer spiritual practices to connect with your soul’s wisdom, transform negative energy into positive love, and release negative emotions such as grief, anger, sadness, anxiety, and self-doubt. The author shares stories of clients who have successfully rediscovered their soul’s perspective, even after experiencing great loss. By using intuition, affirmations, and personal pain as fuel, readers can fearlessly navigate life’s challenges and reach their true potential. Additionally, the author provides practical steps to shift into a divine perspective during difficult moments, resulting in immediate benefits.
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Sue Frederick is a spiritual coach, lifelong intuitive, master numerologist, certified Soul Regression therapist, and an ordained Unity Minister. Her work has been featured in the New York Times, on CNN.com, and in Real Simple, Yoga Journal, Natural Health, and Complete Woman magazines. The author of I See Your Dream Job, I See Your Soul Mate, and Bridges to Heaven, she lives in Scottsdale, Arizona, with her husband and three Bengal kitties.www.suefrederick.com
Discover the power of the Divine Lens and learn how to manifest your greatest aspirations into existence. This transformational tool can create miracles, allowing you to turn your most cherished dreams into tangible realities. With the Divine Lens, you can unlock your potential to achieve the impossible and create a life beyond your wildest imagination. Let this tool guide you as you embark on self-discovery and personal growth.
Every day, we have an inner battle between two parts of ourselves: our ego and our soul. When we view the world through our ego lens, life can seem tragic, random, meaningless, and painful. From our soul’s perspective, we find divine order and soul agreements in every event.
Sue Frederick offers guidance on how to connect with your soul and view life from a spiritual perspective. She provides practical exercises and tools to help you tap into your personal power. According to Frederick, everyone has a unique soul purpose to fulfill in this life and to make a positive impact on others. However, we sometimes encounter obstacles that cause us to lose sight of our soul’s true wisdom and allow our ego to take control, leading to self-doubt and insecurity. Nevertheless, Frederick reminds us that every challenge is an opportunity to awaken and transform our victim mentality into a realization that our soul is here for a greater purpose.
This podcast and book offer spiritual practices to connect with your soul’s wisdom, transform negative energy into positive love, and release negative emotions such as grief, anger, sadness, anxiety, and self-doubt. The author shares stories of clients who have successfully rediscovered their soul’s perspective, even after experiencing great loss. By using intuition, affirmations, and personal pain as fuel, readers can fearlessly navigate life’s challenges and reach their true potential. Additionally, the author provides practical steps to shift into a divine perspective during difficult moments, resulting in immediate benefits.
We talk about
- Spiritual Crisis
- How anger and jealousy affect our daily lives
- Seeing death as a transformation
- How to have flawless intuition
- Returning to our sacred self
- Catholic Dogma
- Aramaic Bible
- Nothing is as it seems; everything is backward
- The Ego is the destruction of self-confidence.
- Living with gratitude and an open heart
Sue Frederick is a spiritual coach, lifelong intuitive, master numerologist, certified Soul Regression therapist, and an ordained Unity Minister. Her work has been featured in the New York Times, on CNN.com, and in Real Simple, Yoga Journal, Natural Health, and Complete Woman magazines. The author of I See Your Dream Job, I See Your Soul Mate, and Bridges to Heaven, she lives in Scottsdale, Arizona, with her husband and three Bengal kitties.www.suefrederick.com
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Welcome to Get Over It, theconsciousness transforming podcasts for exceptional twenty first century
living folks. We have a wonderfulshow today. We're speaking of Sue Frederick
and we're talking about her latest book, Through a Divine Lens, Practices to
Quiet your Ego and Align with yoursoul. And folks, you're going to
get a download of information today thatis going to help you in your daily
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life. So sit back, listen, take some notes, and then when
you're done, go out and buythe book because she has much more to
offer than we're going to talk abouton this shelf. Now. The information
shared on Get over It uses intuitiveand pragmatic insight to help you shift your
consciousness to break through the blocks andrelease energy that is no longer needed.
Yes, we're going to help youlet go of the BS that's been holding
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you back. But you guys knowI always ask are you truly ready to?
And by the way, folks,BS is belief system. A bit
about me for my new listeners,Intuitive since birth. I'm a third generation
Intuitive with overs of experience supporting peopleto break through the blocks along their path.
I'm a strategist for personal and professionaltransformation. Revealing cutting edge information that
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enables you to prosper and thrive.I spent twenty five successful years in corporate
America as an executive sales professional,and I am the founder of Healing Visions
Ministries in the Northern California Children's EducationNetwork, a five OHT one C three
nonprofit. I provide consultations and healingsin all areas of life that heal the
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mind, body, spirit connection,allowing you to live your very best life
now. My clients tell me thatI keep it real while providing them with
accurate information to a system along theirjourney as a spirit living in human existence.
But they also say, if youreally don't want to know, don't
ask Monique. My background includes adoctorate, metaphysics, reading master teacher or
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gay minister, and clinical hypnotherapists.So whether you are stressed, be pressed,
or oppose it, I can helpto find out more about me and
the services I offer. Go tomy website and that's money Chapman dot com
and I invite you to like meon Facebook and follow me on linked In.
Don't look for me on ex Twitterwhatever that thing was, because I'm
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no longer there. Then do checkout my website and again that's mo Nick
Chapman dot com. My guest today, Sue Frederick. She is a wonder
woman. She's an intuitive coach.She's a Unity ordained minister. She is
a best selling author of six books. She has a podcast, Mister Connections
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Podcast. She's a sole regression therapist, a master numerologist, and a grief
intuitive. She's been featured on majornetworks in The New York Times, CNN
dot com, Woman's World, manyother publications, and she is here with
us today. I am so stokedabout it. And you can check her
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out at her website, and that'sSue Frederick dot com. Issue E F
R E D E R c Kdot com. Welcome Sue. Oh,
it's such a joy to be withyou today. Monique. Oh, I
am so quiet that you're here.So glad. I absolutely loved the book,
especially the title through a Divine Lens, because it's not your lens,
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my lens. It's truly from thedivine. And when I was reading the
book, it seemed as if youwere, in a sense, channeling parts
of the book in conjunction with utilizingreal world experience. Talk to us about
that, Oh yeah, that bookcame through completely from spirit. It was
the first book of I've written manybooks, but that was the first one
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where I didn't have a plan oran outline. But I had had a
vision a few days before I startedit. It was actually I got really
sick. I had a high fever. This was back in twenty thirteen or
twenty fourteen, and in that dreamfevers state, I left my body and
the guides and angels held me inspace where I could see planet Earth from
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a distance, and they showed meall these beams of light shooting up from
Earth. And I said, whatis that light? What are those beams
of light? And they said,every time a soul on Earth wakes up
to their higher self, their higherconsciousness, their soul view of life,
their divine view, that sparks alight that shoots out into the universe,
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and it sparks other lights to wakeup. And they showed me how the
whole darkness of the globe was alwaysbeing illuminated and spark by spark, you
know, soul by soul, Andthey kept whispering, you have to remember
that the light is always winning,the love is always winning, no matter
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how things bad things can look onearth, and that was before things looked
as bad as they do today.And so back then I pulled out my
laptop and just tried to write whatthey were still sort of downloading to me.
And that was the idea of thebook, was how do we then
shift out of our mundane view herethat is so heavy, so sometimes dark
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and painful, and rise up intothat higher perspective where we know that the
light and that love is always winning. Yes, And you know, these
days sometimes it's particularly hard, especiallywhen you're living your everyday life, you're
acting, interacting with everyday people,and then you find out that someone's interests
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and I'm going to put it politicaland I don't want to really talk politics
different from yours set you wouldn't eventhink that they would be interested in a
certain energy. And for me,that made me really I think, what
was my attraction to that person andwhy? But then I felt bad in
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a sense because I kind of cutoff talking to that person. So talk
to us through that, because Imean, even within families, people are
you know, divided, But youdo you want to keep the relationship and
work within your confines of it,or do you kind of just like let
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it dissipate. You know, thatis the consciousness challenge that we are all
collectively in at this moment. Andyou know, I grew up in New
Orleans and in the Deep South,and I now live well, I lived
in Colorado for I left home atseventeen, and I lived in Colorado for
many years, and now I livein Arizona. But I can tell you
I am still the black sheep ofmy very southern traditional Catholic family. And
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to me, that's really good becauseI got free of all of their limited
beliefs and ideas. But what I'llsay is that when these last couple of
years unfolded and we all started rethinkingour friendships, our relationships, that I
took a polarized stance at first,and I kind of went back to who
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I was in the sixties, youknow, marching against the Vietnam War and
all the things that we did backthen to sort of try to help change
humanity. But this time, whatwe're learning is that's not going to work.
That's not the way, that theway that what excuse me that what
humanity is being called to do inthis moment is to find a way to
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have love and compassion for everyone,no matter how much we disagree, and
no matter how much we think they'rewrong or dangerous or harmful, we have
to find a way to see themsoul to soul through the divine lens and
love on them as a soul ona journey doing the best they can.
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It's the hardest thing humanity has everbeen asked to do. Well, Humanity
has given us a prime example towork with. So I'm going to just
put it out there, how doyou love Donald Trump? Because I am
having Oh, help, let mehelp you with that, because I have
the same thing. I have totell you that the morning he was I
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mean that night I went to bedso depressed when he was elected, and
the morning I woke up after that, I couldn't get out of bed for
days. I cried and cried andcried for days. I was so disappointed
in humanity. But then I startedasking spirit and asking divine to show me
the purpose of this what Because Ibelieve in a divine order universe that somehow
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it's the light is always winning evenwhen we can't see it. So I
kept asking, show me how thisis going to serve humanity? And I
was able to quiet my monkey mindand really listen. What I saw is
that he's a master soul. He'sactually a twenty two master soul in numerology,
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and he came to bring the darknessup out of the crevices so that
we could finally heal it and shiftit into the light. And when you
think of it as the globe inmy vision of all the dark crevices that
the light is illuminating piece by piece. We can't heal something if we don't
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see it, if it's not blatantlyobvious to us. You have to everything
has to be revealed in order tobe healed. And this is the level
of darkness of humanity that I didn'teven know existed, and now it's our
everyday reality here. And so wehave to say, well, this is
all coming up, because consciousness isnow at this tipping point of saying,
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are we going to stand in thelight or are we in a cave into
hatred darkness? You know, discriminationall of that, and you and I,
Monique and others like us, wehave to stand even more in the
light right now, more in thelove, more in the compassion, because
we have to tip this turning pointright now. It is such an important
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moment. I get that and Ihear you loud and clear, and it's
so hard. Yes, I havethe same feelings that you have of understanding
and why the energy came to thesurface. But what I have a difficult
time, and it's outside of me, so I have no control about that
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is why half of the people inthis country truly enjoy that energy. Yeah,
I mean you talk about you know, like you talk in your book
about religion, which we can getinto if you want, but you know,
if they follow their religious programming,because I think it's programming, nothing
makes sense totally. I agree.Yeah, here's how I look at it.
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And this point of view has reallyhelped me because I have to tell
you, when we left Colorado,we moved to Arizona because my husband got
sick and the only place where therewas any hope for his healing was here
in Arizona at Mayo Clinic. Sowe arrive here and then and we're both
like old hippie children, me andmy husband, right, and we've suddenly
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realized that the neighborhood hates us becauseyou know, we have a Buddha in
our front yard and we had aBiden sign in our yard at one point,
and so I've had to learn awhole different way of understanding it.
And so how what I'd say now, and I do believe it's true,
is that all of those souls believingin you know, Trump's message and all
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that, they have been brainwashed byfear based whether it's Dark Web or Fox
News where they listened to it allday long, and they've literally been brainwashed.
It's a cult. It is adark I would say, even evil
cult. And they can't hear us. They can't even they don't even know
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the other side because they never evenlisten to reality news or what's really happening.
And so, for example, ifmy cousin starts talking about how you
know, he's the best president ever, I know, and I know for
a fact, all he ever doesis listen to Fox News all day and
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go into the dark Web. Sohe's been programmed and he's lost. And
the only way I can look atit is how would you get a family
member out of a cult? Itis really hard. So maybe you just
have to love on them and hopethat they come to their own awakening.
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Okay, I mean I can acceptthat a fullheartedly. It's just to me
amazing that people can have so muchhate in their hurt side. Isn't it
so depressing about humanity? And that'swhy I have to totally adhere to my
work, my spiritual practice, andsurround myself with people who stand in the
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light like you, Monique. Andhere in Arizona, I found the best
people. And they're part of anonprofit called Helpingparents Heal dot org. And
I've always worked with grieving moms andgrieving people, and so my clients when
I moved here, they said,oh my gosh, you're a mile away
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from the woman who founded Helping ParentsHeal dot org. And they arranged a
meeting for us. And these womenhave all lost children, and they decided
that their children gave them so manysigns that they believe their children still live,
and they have a different kind ofrelationship with their child in spirit now.
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And they came from all different backgrounds, all different religions and political persuasions,
and they run this organization of twentyseven thousand international parents worldwide, and
every day there are zoom meetings.And these women are my best friends now
unique and so we get to coffeeand all we talk about is spirit.
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This and spirit that, and ourdeparted loved one said this or that,
And when you have people in yourlife like that, then you can stand
as a loving soul at this reallydifficult time. And then plus I have
my everyday clients, and the greatblessing of that is that I get to
lift them into that higher view andso I get to do it myself.
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It's like a daily workout, youknow. Yeah, and it makes that
muscle even even stronger. So,based on every thing that you're saying,
are we in the middle of aspiritual crisis right for the world? Yes?
Yeah, And I would say Iwould say it's a spiritual crisis about
if we believe that we have ourown connection to spirit, to God,
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or if we've been dogmatized to believethe preacher at the fundamentalist church preaching the
devil and hell and all the crazystuff they preach, which isn't true.
And the reason I became a Unityminister is to take a stand in the
light because Unity believes that God issimply a loving force that created this universe,
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a loving consciousness that runs through everymolecule, every cell of human life
and of this world. And sowe each have that force in us,
and it's brighter than anything dark.And so when we stand in the knowingness
that we are part of God consciousnessand God is love, then nothing can
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hurt us. And we are thebeacons of help and light for others.
And that's why I became a Unityminister. I love to argue if anybody
wants to ever argue with me aboutthe Bible. I've now studied the original
Aramaic you know, scripture, andso I say, no, Jesus never
really said that. You know,I can really stand in the light of
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it, because Jesus was an enlightenedbeing who walked the earth to show us.
He said, I give you anew commandment. It's more important than
any of the others. It's tolove one another. That was his message,
and it has gotten so rewritten andtranslated by men basically throughout time.
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Yeah, you know, I don't. I'm not even Bible based, because
I truly believe that was someone's storyand not necessarily his story history. So
I kind of leave that alone.But I'm going to take you up on
reading that version that you talked aboutso I can have a further understanding.
So while we're talking about the Bible. Let's talk about organized religion. The
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church. You mentioned a fundamentalist,and yes, I have many family members
that are fundamentalists, and I goto church if I go to church with
them, and it hasn't been forthirty years now. But it's entertainment value
because I'm like, look at that, and wow, I didn't know she
could jump from there to there andwhatever, you know, because it just
doesn't resonate with me. Not thatit's not true for them, okay,
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but it just doesn't resonate with me. At one point in time, when
I was little, I remember thenuns coming to our house and they wanted
my father to enroll us in Catholicschool. And my father was like,
hell to the no. And I, you know, I didn't have any
thoughts one way or the other.But as I grew older and started reading
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about and understanding this religion, I'mlike, it's hell. I mean,
you're putting people in hell instead ofsaving themselves from it. So could you
talk to us why organized religion,especially the Catholic Church. Well, guess
what, Monique. I grew upCatholic and I went to Convent of Mercy
School taught by nuns for eighteen years, so I can really address that.
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So, back when Jesus walked theearth and when Buddha walked the earth and
all the previous enlightened beings who cameto help shift consciousness, they were teaching
love, they were teaching compassion.They were the humans standing up in the
crowd saying, hey, you guysare all trying to hurt each other,
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and that's not why you came toearth. You came to earth to learn
love and remember that you're a divinebeing. That was basically Jesus's message.
So then Jesus crosses over and inthe spirit perspective, we know that as
his soul, his spirit came backto help his apostles and everyone left behind.
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That that later got translated into thedogma that it is now that says
only through Jesus Christ will you besaved and go to heaven. Jesus never
said that. And after decades afterJesus was gone, the apostle Paul,
who was not an apostle of Jesus's, he never knew Jesus. He has
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this own awakening one day and hedecides that Jesus is speaking to him and
that he has to preach a messagethat only through Jesus can you be saved
and go to heaven. Jesus neversaid that. So the apostle Paul becomes
the voice of Christianity that launched amillion wars to conquer the Heathens, to
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change everyone's mind for Jesus. Right, Jesus like divine realms, going,
oh my God, they have totallymessed up what I was teaching. And
so then the Bible is originally justwritten, you know, about the things
Jesus really did say, and thenpull goes in and writes all of his
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craziness. And then there's a councilin I can't remember the year, but
it was the Council of Nicea,and all the popes and Catholic men in
power get together and say, hey, you know Jesus talked about reincarnation and
all these other things. We haveto agree on a dogma here for this
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book, this Bible, so thatthe church becomes the only source of that
connection to God, and that thechurch is where people have to go to
have that connection. Of course,you and I know that's money based,
because then they knew they could chargemoney or ask for money and create this
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whole system of pay based connection toGod. And so that was launched in
the Catholic tradition and they blossomed.You know, the Catholics are richer than
any other people on earth, andthey believe, for example, or they
teach that we are born in sin. Right. I mean, that is
the most in my opinion, evilteaching that you can ever give humanity.
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And so the only way out ofthat sin is you've got to go through
all these things that you have topay for, whether it's confirmation, baptism,
on and on and on or youknow, and even praying for people
to help them get to heaven costmoney in the Catholic Church. And then
we watch the fundamentalist Christians who areteaching the literal interpretation of the Bible,
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which was written by men after Jesuswas gone and rewritten at the Council of
Nicea, and they go, oh, devils. If we make people afraid
of hell and afraid of devils,they will pay us a lot of money
to keep them safe and free ofthose devils. And that is how traditional
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religion got going. Wow, itplays on fear monique, and whenever we
don't buy into that fear and wefeel God's love in our heart and we
know we are part of God.We can walk away from that fear based,
demon focused hell craziness, dogmatic religion. Well, you know, it's
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interesting. It does play on fear, but it also institutes fear because I
mean, this is you know,the major religion that their leaders have sex
with children, they've had I havemany clients who have had numerous affairs with
numerous priests, yes, even woretheir children, and then the child was
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sanctioned as a higher being, ifyou will, because it was conceived with
the help of a priest. Andyou know, I just call bullshit on
all of it. That's my bson that, because people who follow me
know, I just can't do organizedreligion. It just greats my soul.
But it's also true in the mainstreamChristian you know, fundamentalist groups that those
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ministers, you know, they bringa whole lot of sexual abuse into their
ministries and a lot of it's kindof coming out these days and Netflix have
documentaries about it. You know.But the more that stuff comes into the
light for us to look at andrealize, oh, that's what these churches
are about, the more we canreally each realize that we have our own
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connection to God, that we cantrust that loving voice of the divine.
And my book gives you practices andmeditations and prayers where we can say,
Ah, please quiet my mind offear, please open my heart and connect
to me purely to the highest realmsof God consciousness in this moment, and
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that prayer is always answered. Yes, it always be answered. I definitely
agree with that. Now, talkto us a bit about the energy of
addiction, because you equate it toyou know, this is like a side
effect of ego, if you will. But there's so many people addicted to
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so many things. And I'm notjust talking about drug addiction that it's very
prevalent right now, but addiction toanything. How do we first recognize the
addiction and recognize what our purpose waswith it, and then perhaps drop it
and move forward. Yeah. Well, to me, and I write about
this in the book, addiction isa spiritual seeking and that takes all judgment
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away because what the truth is isthat we each drop into our lifetime very
connected to the divine realms, veryconnected to God. Children are open hearted,
loving, beautiful spirits who remember theirdivination, who remember that they came
from a place of love. They'reeven homesick for it without having a name
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for it. But then they getdogmatized right away by church, by school,
by parents, and they get sortof talked out of what they know
is true. And so then theyreach a place where they're hating this world
and they look around, and themore evolved the soul is, the more
they'll look around at this world andgo, these people are crazy. There
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is nothing here that I agree withor I am drawn to or believe in.
And so somebody hands them either aglass of alcohol or a drug of
some kind, and for a briefmoment they lift out of the body and
have that blissful connection with the unconditionallove of God consciousness, and then crash
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back into the body because we knowit's not sustainable and in the long run,
it'll destroy everything about you because ourbidy aren't designed for that, and
we had to wear these body costumesdown here. And so when you look
at it as initially a desire toconnect to home, to our divinity,
to our bliss, to our unconditionallove of the divine realms, then you
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can understand how people get addicted,because this life can be so empty feeling
and so heartbreaking. And then ifsomebody gives you a little drug and suddenly
you're in the divine place for awhile, you are probably going to keep
doing that so to go back.Yeah, So the remedy is it's a
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whole spiritual re education. And thegreat thing is that some places like AA,
you know, they teach that,but they sort of stop at that
fundamentalist Christian level. But still itgets people honoring that we are more than
physical beings, that we each havea divine purpose here and that we need
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that connection to Divinity in order tolive our best life. And the minute
people start really cherishing that, andthen you have to clean up your body
physically, get it back in balance. And that's why natural health is so
important. Nutrition, vitamins, supplements, eating right to get your chemistry back
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to center. Then you've got thespiritual connection. You've got your chemistry back
in order, and hopefully you alsohave a therapist or a group like AA
to go to. Now you're startingto get to the place where you'll be
able to have your own experience ofconnecting to God consciousness just in your everyday
life, meditation, prayer, callingout and then you can heal yourself.
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But the other thing I want toadd to that monique is some souls finish
out their whole life still in addiction. And I used to get so upset
about that because of course people Ilove have done that, and I would
go and ask God and ask Divinity, like, what helped me understand this?
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And those souls have come back totell me, you know, nothing
on earth is as it seems.Everything is backwards, And I would say,
what do you mean by that?And they would say, it looked
like my life was a waste,but my soul was learning and absorbing what
I needed to know in order formy soul to evolve. And even if
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it looked like a disaster from thephysical view, my soul is now transcendent
in the divine. So that canalso help us when loved ones cross with
those addictions. And I've got onevery close to me who is really giving
me a lot of understanding of whyhe needed to walk his journey the way
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he did, and that he's ina great place. He's connected to God
and he's thriving. And so wehave to stop even looking at that story
of addiction as being so horrible andhopeless and lost because in a way,
we're giving it more energy that way. Okay, let the same thing hold
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true for sulicide. Yeah. Iwork with a lot of moms who've lost
children who took their own life likethat. And when I connect to those
children, what they are saying isI didn't need to stay longer. I
accomplished what my soul was trying todo, and I had an agreement to
wake my whole family up, mywhole soul posse by my early exit and
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force them to begin to grow andsee that there really is no death.
That spirit continues. The children onthe other side are the strongest spirits.
They come back so vividly to showtheir parents that they're still here and to
shift their parents into that soul view, that divine lens view. That when
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I get to work with those kidswith clients, they are angelic beings and
they are just saying, you know, people have to stay and go according
to their own plan, their ownexit point, and we cannot judge.
And that was the Christian dogma ofsuicide. You know that Jesus never again,
never said that you would go tohell if you took your own life.
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And yet I work with moms whothey were involved with fundamentalist Christianity,
raising their kids in that community,and then their child takes their own life
and the community shuns them then andsays, well, your child is in
hell. Now, I mean,can you imagine anything more dark than telling
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a grieving mom that her beautiful childis in hell? Hell? Oh my
God, that is so wrong.Yeah, on many many levels. Now,
you have a chapter in your bookseeing Death as Transformation, And in
your book you also talk about losingyour first husband at the age of thirty
four and you were twenty nine.But he was actually I think his name
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was Paul, if I remember correctly. Yes, he was the architect basically
of your spiritual awakening. So talkto us a little bit more about how
do we know whomever has crossed overis with us, how to release how
do we release the fear of beingwith them and then moving life forward.
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Well, Paul is my greatest spiritualteacher to this day. It's been forty
three years since he crossed over,and he still comes back loud and clear
to tell me when my message needsto be tweaked, or you know how
ask me how I'm doing on myjourney and point certain things out to me.
He keeps me on my toes.But he did that from the moment
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he crossed because we were so inlove and it was my true love partner,
and I was in my twenties,you know that love where it's just
nothing pure, nothing better. Andwe climbed mountains together, so we felt
invincible. And then he had afew stomach pains, and then it was
a year of caring for this beautifulyoung mountain climbing man as he died from
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colon cancer. The hardest journey ofmy life and the most profoundly awakening one,
because even in his moment of death, if I could share this really
quick, to give you an exampleof how present he was and still is.
I was so upset because I hadpromised Paul that he could die at
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home, in my arms. Hehad made me promise that, and I
had said yes, and I wascaring for him at home, and I
had a hospice nurse who would showup and sort of, you know,
make sure I was doing everything right. And then one night he woke up
in a horrible state which I won'tgo into, and the hospice nurse said,
you can't let him cross this way. We have to get him to
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the er and stop this thing that'sgoing on. And so I let her
and we ended up in an ambulanceand we lent it up and ended up
in the er. And as manypeople know who've cared for loved ones,
the situation can get out of yourhands very quickly. And suddenly he was
admitted to a room in the hospitaland he was in a coma. And
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Paul had always said, I don'twant to be stuck in a coma like
he had just talked about that endlessly, and so here I was now in
a hospital room, Paul was ina coma. I felt I had completely
failed him. So all of ourfriends show up. They're filling the hospital
room around him, all talking,crying everything, and I'm exhausted, and
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I fall asleep on the floor ofthe hospital next to his bed. And
he hadn't changed his coma breathing forforty eight hours. It was that horrible,
labored coma breathing that I'm sure manypeople are aware of. And I'm
on the floor taking a nap,and he appears. Paul wakes me up,
but I'm still sleeping in this dream. He wakes me up and goes,
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Sue, and I see him vividlyand he's young and happy and healthy
looking, and he goes, whatare you doing on the floor? You
said I could die in your arms? Would you please get everybody out of
this room and go stand on theother side and hold me so I can
cross? And I woke up going. Paul just told me he's ready to
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go, And I got everyone outexcept his mom, and I stood on
one side of him and his momstood on the other and we said,
we love you so much, Paul, and we release you to the highest
realms. We will be okay,you are free to go. And at
those words, his soul took abeautiful breath, of peaceful breath, first
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time in days that koma breathing stopped, and his soul lifted out of his
body, and we saw it,his mother and I witnessed it, and
we knew his soul was moving outand was free. And I had no
attachment to his body at that moment. Then I went, I knew he
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was free, and so I waslifted into this altered state by him,
where he had his voice in myear constantly saying this is in divine order.
You have to under look at itthis way. Every little incident that
would happen, sue, that's notthe truth. The truth is blah blah
blah. Even to the point whereI needed to find a new apartment,
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and I was in my twenties.I was obviously pretty poor. I was
a mountain climber instructor, like youknow, no corporate job in the seventies,
and so I needed to find anapartment. And I was very depressed
about it because I was thinking,oh God, I'm not going to be
able to afford anything nice. Andso I have a list, I make
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fun calls, I have appointments togo see apartments, and then the whole
night before Paul is with me,showing me this apartment that had multiple windows
and multiple levels and a circular stairwayin the middle and very vivid this whole
vision. And then he shows methis little boy taking my hand to show
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me this apartment. And so Iwake up going, well, that's interesting,
but I gotta go find an apartmentnow, you know. It's like
I didn't realize how powerful spirit is. And so I pull out in my
car and I have this list ofpeople to go see, and I noticed
that there's this sign up that saysapartment for rent. In my voice,
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my intuition or Paul says turn inthat driveway. And I'm a virgo,
like I'm all about my list andeverything, and I'm like, no,
I have another appointment, you know, And the voice is like, turn
in that driveway. And I turnedin the drive way and the realtor was
a mom, a single mom,actually renting the apartment. And this little
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boy answered the door and said,my mom's here. I can't show it
to you, And so I said, well, could you just call her
and ask, you know, I'lltalk to her if you want. And
he ended up showing me this apartment, holding my hand, walking me through
it. It was exactly the apartmentI had seen in my dream, and
I could afford it. And Ilived in that apartment for ten years and
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it was my healing sanctuary. Thisis how powerful spirit is. This is
how much our loved ones want tohelp us see the world differently through our
divine lens wonderful story. And ifwe could pay more attention to our dreams,
we will see a lot of anout picture later on in life.
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I know when I was twelve,I dreamt my husband, yeah, down
to the point of what he wouldhave on in the day. He walked
in my father's cleaners to drop offhis dry cleaning. I just I was
waiting on someone. I just happenedto look up and see him to acknowledge,
Okay, you're next. And Ilooked at him and said, oh,
you're the person I'm going to marryto myself. And I went right
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back to doing my work. Andthen when I waited on him, nothing
else after that, And now fortyeight years later, here we are.
That's so great. In your book, you talk about intuition, and you
say that as we go through thisprocess of looking at life through a divine
lens, that our intuition becomes flawless. To us about that, because so
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many people feel they're not intuitive,and then some people feel that they're very
intuitive, and ego gets in theway. So talk to us about that.
So here's how it works. Wedrop into this physical world, and
we each have a left brain anda right brain because we've got to have
it so unique. Picture it thisway. You and I are in the
divine realms. We're studying in thelibrary of soul. Wisdom. We're meeting
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with our Council of a Souls,and we're so happy and filled with love,
and we hear the call put outthat says humanity is in trouble.
We need people who are willing togo in there and help shift it into
the light, into the love,and we go, all right, I'll
go back down there, even thoughthat place is terrible and you get lost
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and you forget who you are.And they said, yeah, because you
got to have a mind. Youhave to have a logic mind to survive
in that dense realm. And thelogic mind becomes your boss. And we
even promise our guides that we willnot get lost in the left brain logic
mind, that we will let ourright brain, higher self soul be our
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boss and we will be connected tothat. And so we drop in and
we're connected to that, and theneverybody says, oh, you're daydreaming.
Pay attention, follow it, dothis math, you know, and we're
just talked into our left brain.Now, it is true that some of
us have a better, stronger leftbrain than others. I was kind of
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blessed in that my logic mind wasnot strong. My right brain, intuitive
self was way strong, and soas much as the world tried to talk
me into my logic left brain,I just couldn't do it. And so
I was raised by nuns, whichwas good because every test was writing,
and I can write because I writefrom spirit most of the time. But
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I could never do a multiple choicetest because that's all the logic mind,
right. And yet other people arebetter able to master that left brain,
and it makes them feel very successfulin the world, and so they really
adhere to what the logic mind istelling them. And then here we are
in our culture right now, wherethat logic mind represented I think by much
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of what's dark in the world rightnow. Corporate greed, etc. Is
all that we give honor to,that we homage to. And the right
brain, higher consciousness is called wowoo and ridiculous and lived hard by the
world. Right So when we sayI am going to trust that inner knowingness,
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when I get that nudge that saysturn into this driveway, even though
it's illogical and you have other thingsyou're supposed to be doing, and we
start following that nudge and turn intothat driveway and find the apartment that was
in our dreams now We're building themuscle of believing in that intuitive voice and
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following it. And the more wedo that, the more our intuition just
gets stronger and stronger. Yeah,if we just listen to it, Yeah,
right, listening and then taking someaction upon it. When we go
to your website, So Frederick dotcom, what are we going to find
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there? Well, I have someglass is coming up on Zoom that I
would love to have people join mefor, and some retreats that I'm speaking
at, you know, and variousthings like that. I'm always got something
happening. Plus I see clients everyday and you can sign up. I
have three different kinds of sessions.One is based on helping you understand your
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purpose through numerology and intuition and yoursoul agreements. And then the ninety minute
one is we do all that,plus then I take you into the divine
realms and a guided process where youget to have your own conversation with your
guides. And then the third oneis a two hour entire journey of me
taking you into the divine. Wedrop into a significant past lifetime that has
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meaning for you today and I guideyou through it, and then we go
back into the divine realms and talkto your counsel, your guides. It's
so incredible because no matter how cynicala person may be, they have an
experience of something otherworldly and they eithersee and feel and hear their guides or
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they just get a knowing this ofwhat their guides are telling them. And
I have it recorded because they speakout loud and answer what I'm asking them.
And then we come back into thebody and I go, how was
that for you? And they say, I was really there, and then
it's on the recording and then theycan go back and listen to it,
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and it helps them remember that theyare a divine being and the divine realms
are more real than this real realm. Absolutely positively love it, absolutely love
it. Now you have classes thatare coming right up, so folks,
please do go and take a look, okay, because I'm quite sure that
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she has something that will be ofinterest to you. And she's truly somebody
who walks their talk. And we'retalking about this a little bit earlier before
we the recording. We're both inour seventies and we both look in our
forties, and well, when wehave a minute to do our hair right,
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Okay, so she's telling on me. Folks. I'm doing this recording
hair and no make up. Youshould You should see this hair when I
just washed it, haven't worked onit. You know, it's it's But
the thing we were saying is wehave the glow. It's living with an
open heart and connecting to spirit.And that's what we all get when we
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are open hearted and living connected tospirit exactly. So, folks, So
that might be something that you wantto consider instead of having a facelift or
the tummy tuck or whatever. WalkI could afford that facelift, I tell
you, Monique, I'd be verytempted by that. Man, I'm going
to I'm going to own it allis what it is, except for when
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I don't have my face, Ican't see that. So I really enjoy
talking to you and laughing with youand exploring spirituality together. Could you give
us a pearl of wisdom before wego? Yes. I want everybody to
know here that they are a beautifulsoul on a divine mission, that they
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each came in with unique gifts theyintended to share with the world through their
work and with a loving consciousness alwaysguiding them and giving them nudges, and
that each person here is part ofGod, and so it is, and
so it is. OK. Sayso, thank you so much for being
with us today. I greatly appreciateit. I know the audience does too,
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and I want everyone to remember thatthe most important choice that you can
make is what you choose to makeimportant. Consider making the mathical choice of
discovering life through a divine lens theblessings late at about it. Thank you,
Welcome to Get Over It, theconsciousness transforming podcasts for exceptional twenty first century
living folks. We have a wonderfulshow today. We're speaking of Sue Frederick
and we're talking about her latest book, Through a Divine Lens, Practices to
Quiet your Ego and Align with yoursoul. And folks, you're going to
get a download of information today thatis going to help you in your daily
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life. So sit back, listen, take some notes, and then when
you're done, go out and buythe book because she has much more to
offer than we're going to talk abouton this shelf. Now. The information
shared on Get over It uses intuitiveand pragmatic insight to help you shift your
consciousness to break through the blocks andrelease energy that is no longer needed.
Yes, we're going to help youlet go of the BS that's been holding
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you back. But you guys knowI always ask are you truly ready to?
And by the way, folks,BS is belief system. A bit
about me for my new listeners,Intuitive since birth. I'm a third generation
Intuitive with overs of experience supporting peopleto break through the blocks along their path.
I'm a strategist for personal and professionaltransformation. Revealing cutting edge information that
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enables you to prosper and thrive.I spent twenty five successful years in corporate
America as an executive sales professional,and I am the founder of Healing Visions
Ministries in the Northern California Children's EducationNetwork, a five OHT one C three
nonprofit. I provide consultations and healingsin all areas of life that heal the
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mind, body, spirit connection,allowing you to live your very best life
now. My clients tell me thatI keep it real while providing them with
accurate information to a system along theirjourney as a spirit living in human existence.
But they also say, if youreally don't want to know, don't
ask Monique. My background includes adoctorate, metaphysics, reading master teacher or
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gay minister, and clinical hypnotherapists.So whether you are stressed, be pressed,
or oppose it, I can helpto find out more about me and
the services I offer. Go tomy website and that's money Chapman dot com
and I invite you to like meon Facebook and follow me on linked In.
Don't look for me on ex Twitterwhatever that thing was, because I'm
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no longer there. Then do checkout my website and again that's mo Nick
Chapman dot com. My guest today, Sue Frederick. She is a wonder
woman. She's an intuitive coach.She's a Unity ordained minister. She is
a best selling author of six books. She has a podcast, Mister Connections
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Podcast. She's a sole regression therapist, a master numerologist, and a grief
intuitive. She's been featured on majornetworks in The New York Times, CNN
dot com, Woman's World, manyother publications, and she is here with
us today. I am so stokedabout it. And you can check her
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out at her website, and that'sSue Frederick dot com. Issue E F
R E D E R c Kdot com. Welcome Sue. Oh,
it's such a joy to be withyou today. Monique. Oh, I
am so quiet that you're here.So glad. I absolutely loved the book,
especially the title through a Divine Lens, because it's not your lens,
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my lens. It's truly from thedivine. And when I was reading the
book, it seemed as if youwere, in a sense, channeling parts
of the book in conjunction with utilizingreal world experience. Talk to us about
that, Oh yeah, that bookcame through completely from spirit. It was
the first book of I've written manybooks, but that was the first one
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where I didn't have a plan oran outline. But I had had a
vision a few days before I startedit. It was actually I got really
sick. I had a high fever. This was back in twenty thirteen or
twenty fourteen, and in that dreamfevers state, I left my body and
the guides and angels held me inspace where I could see planet Earth from
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a distance, and they showed meall these beams of light shooting up from
Earth. And I said, whatis that light? What are those beams
of light? And they said,every time a soul on Earth wakes up
to their higher self, their higherconsciousness, their soul view of life,
their divine view, that sparks alight that shoots out into the universe,
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and it sparks other lights to wakeup. And they showed me how the
whole darkness of the globe was alwaysbeing illuminated and spark by spark, you
know, soul by soul, Andthey kept whispering, you have to remember
that the light is always winning,the love is always winning, no matter
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how things bad things can look onearth, and that was before things looked
as bad as they do today.And so back then I pulled out my
laptop and just tried to write whatthey were still sort of downloading to me.
And that was the idea of thebook, was how do we then
shift out of our mundane view herethat is so heavy, so sometimes dark
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and painful, and rise up intothat higher perspective where we know that the
light and that love is always winning. Yes, And you know, these
days sometimes it's particularly hard, especiallywhen you're living your everyday life, you're
acting, interacting with everyday people,and then you find out that someone's interests
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and I'm going to put it politicaland I don't want to really talk politics
different from yours set you wouldn't eventhink that they would be interested in a
certain energy. And for me,that made me really I think, what
was my attraction to that person andwhy? But then I felt bad in
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a sense because I kind of cutoff talking to that person. So talk
to us through that, because Imean, even within families, people are
you know, divided, But youdo you want to keep the relationship and
work within your confines of it,or do you kind of just like let
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it dissipate. You know, thatis the consciousness challenge that we are all
collectively in at this moment. Andyou know, I grew up in New
Orleans and in the Deep South,and I now live well, I lived
in Colorado for I left home atseventeen, and I lived in Colorado for
many years, and now I livein Arizona. But I can tell you
I am still the black sheep ofmy very southern traditional Catholic family. And
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to me, that's really good becauseI got free of all of their limited
beliefs and ideas. But what I'llsay is that when these last couple of
years unfolded and we all started rethinkingour friendships, our relationships, that I
took a polarized stance at first,and I kind of went back to who
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I was in the sixties, youknow, marching against the Vietnam War and
all the things that we did backthen to sort of try to help change
humanity. But this time, whatwe're learning is that's not going to work.
That's not the way, that theway that what excuse me that what
humanity is being called to do inthis moment is to find a way to
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have love and compassion for everyone,no matter how much we disagree, and
no matter how much we think they'rewrong or dangerous or harmful, we have
to find a way to see themsoul to soul through the divine lens and
love on them as a soul ona journey doing the best they can.
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It's the hardest thing humanity has everbeen asked to do. Well, Humanity
has given us a prime example towork with. So I'm going to just
put it out there, how doyou love Donald Trump? Because I am
having Oh, help, let mehelp you with that, because I have
the same thing. I have totell you that the morning he was I
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mean that night I went to bedso depressed when he was elected, and
the morning I woke up after that, I couldn't get out of bed for
days. I cried and cried andcried for days. I was so disappointed
in humanity. But then I startedasking spirit and asking divine to show me
the purpose of this what Because Ibelieve in a divine order universe that somehow
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it's the light is always winning evenwhen we can't see it. So I
kept asking, show me how thisis going to serve humanity? And I
was able to quiet my monkey mindand really listen. What I saw is
that he's a master soul. He'sactually a twenty two master soul in numerology,
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and he came to bring the darknessup out of the crevices so that
we could finally heal it and shiftit into the light. And when you
think of it as the globe inmy vision of all the dark crevices that
the light is illuminating piece by piece. We can't heal something if we don't
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see it, if it's not blatantlyobvious to us. You have to everything
has to be revealed in order tobe healed. And this is the level
of darkness of humanity that I didn'teven know existed, and now it's our
everyday reality here. And so wehave to say, well, this is
all coming up, because consciousness isnow at this tipping point of saying,
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are we going to stand in thelight or are we in a cave into
hatred darkness? You know, discriminationall of that, and you and I,
Monique and others like us, wehave to stand even more in the
light right now, more in thelove, more in the compassion, because
we have to tip this turning pointright now. It is such an important
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moment. I get that and Ihear you loud and clear, and it's
so hard. Yes, I havethe same feelings that you have of understanding
and why the energy came to thesurface. But what I have a difficult
time, and it's outside of me, so I have no control about that
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is why half of the people inthis country truly enjoy that energy. Yeah,
I mean you talk about you know, like you talk in your book
about religion, which we can getinto if you want, but you know,
if they follow their religious programming,because I think it's programming, nothing
makes sense totally. I agree.Yeah, here's how I look at it.
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And this point of view has reallyhelped me because I have to tell
you, when we left Colorado,we moved to Arizona because my husband got
sick and the only place where therewas any hope for his healing was here
in Arizona at Mayo Clinic. Sowe arrive here and then and we're both
like old hippie children, me andmy husband, right, and we've suddenly
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realized that the neighborhood hates us becauseyou know, we have a Buddha in
our front yard and we had aBiden sign in our yard at one point,
and so I've had to learn awhole different way of understanding it.
And so how what I'd say now, and I do believe it's true,
is that all of those souls believingin you know, Trump's message and all
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that, they have been brainwashed byfear based whether it's Dark Web or Fox
News where they listened to it allday long, and they've literally been brainwashed.
It's a cult. It is adark I would say, even evil
cult. And they can't hear us. They can't even they don't even know
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the other side because they never evenlisten to reality news or what's really happening.
And so, for example, ifmy cousin starts talking about how you
know, he's the best president ever, I know, and I know for
a fact, all he ever doesis listen to Fox News all day and
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go into the dark Web. Sohe's been programmed and he's lost. And
the only way I can look atit is how would you get a family
member out of a cult? Itis really hard. So maybe you just
have to love on them and hopethat they come to their own awakening.
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Okay, I mean I can acceptthat a fullheartedly. It's just to me
amazing that people can have so muchhate in their hurt side. Isn't it
so depressing about humanity? And that'swhy I have to totally adhere to my
work, my spiritual practice, andsurround myself with people who stand in the
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light like you, Monique. Andhere in Arizona, I found the best
people. And they're part of anonprofit called Helpingparents Heal dot org. And
I've always worked with grieving moms andgrieving people, and so my clients when
I moved here, they said,oh my gosh, you're a mile away
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from the woman who founded Helping ParentsHeal dot org. And they arranged a
meeting for us. And these womenhave all lost children, and they decided
that their children gave them so manysigns that they believe their children still live,
and they have a different kind ofrelationship with their child in spirit now.
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And they came from all different backgrounds, all different religions and political persuasions,
and they run this organization of twentyseven thousand international parents worldwide, and
every day there are zoom meetings.And these women are my best friends now
unique and so we get to coffeeand all we talk about is spirit.
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This and spirit that, and ourdeparted loved one said this or that,
And when you have people in yourlife like that, then you can stand
as a loving soul at this reallydifficult time. And then plus I have
my everyday clients, and the greatblessing of that is that I get to
lift them into that higher view andso I get to do it myself.
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It's like a daily workout, youknow. Yeah, and it makes that
muscle even even stronger. So,based on every thing that you're saying,
are we in the middle of aspiritual crisis right for the world? Yes?
Yeah, And I would say Iwould say it's a spiritual crisis about
if we believe that we have ourown connection to spirit, to God,
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or if we've been dogmatized to believethe preacher at the fundamentalist church preaching the
devil and hell and all the crazystuff they preach, which isn't true.
And the reason I became a Unityminister is to take a stand in the
light because Unity believes that God issimply a loving force that created this universe,
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a loving consciousness that runs through everymolecule, every cell of human life
and of this world. And sowe each have that force in us,
and it's brighter than anything dark.And so when we stand in the knowingness
that we are part of God consciousnessand God is love, then nothing can
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hurt us. And we are thebeacons of help and light for others.
And that's why I became a Unityminister. I love to argue if anybody
wants to ever argue with me aboutthe Bible. I've now studied the original
Aramaic you know, scripture, andso I say, no, Jesus never
really said that. You know,I can really stand in the light of
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it, because Jesus was an enlightenedbeing who walked the earth to show us.
He said, I give you anew commandment. It's more important than
any of the others. It's tolove one another. That was his message,
and it has gotten so rewritten andtranslated by men basically throughout time.
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Yeah, you know, I don't. I'm not even Bible based, because
I truly believe that was someone's storyand not necessarily his story history. So
I kind of leave that alone.But I'm going to take you up on
reading that version that you talked aboutso I can have a further understanding.
So while we're talking about the Bible. Let's talk about organized religion. The
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church. You mentioned a fundamentalist,and yes, I have many family members
that are fundamentalists, and I goto church if I go to church with
them, and it hasn't been forthirty years now. But it's entertainment value
because I'm like, look at that, and wow, I didn't know she
could jump from there to there andwhatever, you know, because it just
doesn't resonate with me. Not thatit's not true for them, okay,
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but it just doesn't resonate with me. At one point in time, when
I was little, I remember thenuns coming to our house and they wanted
my father to enroll us in Catholicschool. And my father was like,
hell to the no. And I, you know, I didn't have any
thoughts one way or the other.But as I grew older and started reading
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about and understanding this religion, I'mlike, it's hell. I mean,
you're putting people in hell instead ofsaving themselves from it. So could you
talk to us why organized religion,especially the Catholic Church. Well, guess
what, Monique. I grew upCatholic and I went to Convent of Mercy
School taught by nuns for eighteen years, so I can really address that.
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So, back when Jesus walked theearth and when Buddha walked the earth and
all the previous enlightened beings who cameto help shift consciousness, they were teaching
love, they were teaching compassion.They were the humans standing up in the
crowd saying, hey, you guysare all trying to hurt each other,
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and that's not why you came toearth. You came to earth to learn
love and remember that you're a divinebeing. That was basically Jesus's message.
So then Jesus crosses over and inthe spirit perspective, we know that as
his soul, his spirit came backto help his apostles and everyone left behind.
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That that later got translated into thedogma that it is now that says
only through Jesus Christ will you besaved and go to heaven. Jesus never
said that. And after decades afterJesus was gone, the apostle Paul,
who was not an apostle of Jesus's, he never knew Jesus. He has
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this own awakening one day and hedecides that Jesus is speaking to him and
that he has to preach a messagethat only through Jesus can you be saved
and go to heaven. Jesus neversaid that. So the apostle Paul becomes
the voice of Christianity that launched amillion wars to conquer the Heathens, to
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change everyone's mind for Jesus. Right, Jesus like divine realms, going,
oh my God, they have totallymessed up what I was teaching. And
so then the Bible is originally justwritten, you know, about the things
Jesus really did say, and thenpull goes in and writes all of his
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craziness. And then there's a councilin I can't remember the year, but
it was the Council of Nicea,and all the popes and Catholic men in
power get together and say, hey, you know Jesus talked about reincarnation and
all these other things. We haveto agree on a dogma here for this
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book, this Bible, so thatthe church becomes the only source of that
connection to God, and that thechurch is where people have to go to
have that connection. Of course,you and I know that's money based,
because then they knew they could chargemoney or ask for money and create this
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whole system of pay based connection toGod. And so that was launched in
the Catholic tradition and they blossomed.You know, the Catholics are richer than
any other people on earth, andthey believe, for example, or they
teach that we are born in sin. Right. I mean, that is
the most in my opinion, evilteaching that you can ever give humanity.
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And so the only way out ofthat sin is you've got to go through
all these things that you have topay for, whether it's confirmation, baptism,
on and on and on or youknow, and even praying for people
to help them get to heaven costmoney in the Catholic Church. And then
we watch the fundamentalist Christians who areteaching the literal interpretation of the Bible,
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which was written by men after Jesuswas gone and rewritten at the Council of
Nicea, and they go, oh, devils. If we make people afraid
of hell and afraid of devils,they will pay us a lot of money
to keep them safe and free ofthose devils. And that is how traditional
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religion got going. Wow, itplays on fear monique, and whenever we
don't buy into that fear and wefeel God's love in our heart and we
know we are part of God.We can walk away from that fear based,
demon focused hell craziness, dogmatic religion. Well, you know, it's
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interesting. It does play on fear, but it also institutes fear because I
mean, this is you know,the major religion that their leaders have sex
with children, they've had I havemany clients who have had numerous affairs with
numerous priests, yes, even woretheir children, and then the child was
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sanctioned as a higher being, ifyou will, because it was conceived with
the help of a priest. Andyou know, I just call bullshit on
all of it. That's my bson that, because people who follow me
know, I just can't do organizedreligion. It just greats my soul.
But it's also true in the mainstreamChristian you know, fundamentalist groups that those
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ministers, you know, they bringa whole lot of sexual abuse into their
ministries and a lot of it's kindof coming out these days and Netflix have
documentaries about it. You know.But the more that stuff comes into the
light for us to look at andrealize, oh, that's what these churches
are about, the more we canreally each realize that we have our own
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connection to God, that we cantrust that loving voice of the divine.
And my book gives you practices andmeditations and prayers where we can say,
Ah, please quiet my mind offear, please open my heart and connect
to me purely to the highest realmsof God consciousness in this moment, and
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that prayer is always answered. Yes, it always be answered. I definitely
agree with that. Now, talkto us a bit about the energy of
addiction, because you equate it toyou know, this is like a side
effect of ego, if you will. But there's so many people addicted to
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so many things. And I'm notjust talking about drug addiction that it's very
prevalent right now, but addiction toanything. How do we first recognize the
addiction and recognize what our purpose waswith it, and then perhaps drop it
and move forward. Yeah. Well, to me, and I write about
this in the book, addiction isa spiritual seeking and that takes all judgment
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away because what the truth is isthat we each drop into our lifetime very
connected to the divine realms, veryconnected to God. Children are open hearted,
loving, beautiful spirits who remember theirdivination, who remember that they came
from a place of love. They'reeven homesick for it without having a name
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for it. But then they getdogmatized right away by church, by school,
by parents, and they get sortof talked out of what they know
is true. And so then theyreach a place where they're hating this world
and they look around, and themore evolved the soul is, the more
they'll look around at this world andgo, these people are crazy. There
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is nothing here that I agree withor I am drawn to or believe in.
And so somebody hands them either aglass of alcohol or a drug of
some kind, and for a briefmoment they lift out of the body and
have that blissful connection with the unconditionallove of God consciousness, and then crash
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back into the body because we knowit's not sustainable and in the long run,
it'll destroy everything about you because ourbidy aren't designed for that, and
we had to wear these body costumesdown here. And so when you look
at it as initially a desire toconnect to home, to our divinity,
to our bliss, to our unconditionallove of the divine realms, then you
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can understand how people get addicted,because this life can be so empty feeling
and so heartbreaking. And then ifsomebody gives you a little drug and suddenly
you're in the divine place for awhile, you are probably going to keep
doing that so to go back.Yeah, So the remedy is it's a
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whole spiritual re education. And thegreat thing is that some places like AA,
you know, they teach that,but they sort of stop at that
fundamentalist Christian level. But still itgets people honoring that we are more than
physical beings, that we each havea divine purpose here and that we need
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that connection to Divinity in order tolive our best life. And the minute
people start really cherishing that, andthen you have to clean up your body
physically, get it back in balance. And that's why natural health is so
important. Nutrition, vitamins, supplements, eating right to get your chemistry back
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to center. Then you've got thespiritual connection. You've got your chemistry back
in order, and hopefully you alsohave a therapist or a group like AA
to go to. Now you're startingto get to the place where you'll be
able to have your own experience ofconnecting to God consciousness just in your everyday
life, meditation, prayer, callingout and then you can heal yourself.
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But the other thing I want toadd to that monique is some souls finish
out their whole life still in addiction. And I used to get so upset
about that because of course people Ilove have done that, and I would
go and ask God and ask Divinity, like, what helped me understand this?
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And those souls have come back totell me, you know, nothing
on earth is as it seems.Everything is backwards, And I would say,
what do you mean by that?And they would say, it looked
like my life was a waste,but my soul was learning and absorbing what
I needed to know in order formy soul to evolve. And even if
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it looked like a disaster from thephysical view, my soul is now transcendent
in the divine. So that canalso help us when loved ones cross with
those addictions. And I've got onevery close to me who is really giving
me a lot of understanding of whyhe needed to walk his journey the way
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he did, and that he's ina great place. He's connected to God
and he's thriving. And so wehave to stop even looking at that story
of addiction as being so horrible andhopeless and lost because in a way,
we're giving it more energy that way. Okay, let the same thing hold
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true for sulicide. Yeah. Iwork with a lot of moms who've lost
children who took their own life likethat. And when I connect to those
children, what they are saying isI didn't need to stay longer. I
accomplished what my soul was trying todo, and I had an agreement to
wake my whole family up, mywhole soul posse by my early exit and
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force them to begin to grow andsee that there really is no death.
That spirit continues. The children onthe other side are the strongest spirits.
They come back so vividly to showtheir parents that they're still here and to
shift their parents into that soul view, that divine lens view. That when
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I get to work with those kidswith clients, they are angelic beings and
they are just saying, you know, people have to stay and go according
to their own plan, their ownexit point, and we cannot judge.
And that was the Christian dogma ofsuicide. You know that Jesus never again,
never said that you would go tohell if you took your own life.
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And yet I work with moms whothey were involved with fundamentalist Christianity,
raising their kids in that community,and then their child takes their own life
and the community shuns them then andsays, well, your child is in
hell. Now, I mean,can you imagine anything more dark than telling
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a grieving mom that her beautiful childis in hell? Hell? Oh my
God, that is so wrong.Yeah, on many many levels. Now,
you have a chapter in your bookseeing Death as Transformation, And in
your book you also talk about losingyour first husband at the age of thirty
four and you were twenty nine.But he was actually I think his name
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was Paul, if I remember correctly. Yes, he was the architect basically
of your spiritual awakening. So talkto us a little bit more about how
do we know whomever has crossed overis with us, how to release how
do we release the fear of beingwith them and then moving life forward.
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Well, Paul is my greatest spiritualteacher to this day. It's been forty
three years since he crossed over,and he still comes back loud and clear
to tell me when my message needsto be tweaked, or you know how
ask me how I'm doing on myjourney and point certain things out to me.
He keeps me on my toes.But he did that from the moment
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he crossed because we were so inlove and it was my true love partner,
and I was in my twenties,you know that love where it's just
nothing pure, nothing better. Andwe climbed mountains together, so we felt
invincible. And then he had afew stomach pains, and then it was
a year of caring for this beautifulyoung mountain climbing man as he died from
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colon cancer. The hardest journey ofmy life and the most profoundly awakening one,
because even in his moment of death, if I could share this really
quick, to give you an exampleof how present he was and still is.
I was so upset because I hadpromised Paul that he could die at
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home, in my arms. Hehad made me promise that, and I
had said yes, and I wascaring for him at home, and I
had a hospice nurse who would showup and sort of, you know,
make sure I was doing everything right. And then one night he woke up
in a horrible state which I won'tgo into, and the hospice nurse said,
you can't let him cross this way. We have to get him to
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the er and stop this thing that'sgoing on. And so I let her
and we ended up in an ambulanceand we lent it up and ended up
in the er. And as manypeople know who've cared for loved ones,
the situation can get out of yourhands very quickly. And suddenly he was
admitted to a room in the hospitaland he was in a coma. And
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Paul had always said, I don'twant to be stuck in a coma like
he had just talked about that endlessly, and so here I was now in
a hospital room, Paul was ina coma. I felt I had completely
failed him. So all of ourfriends show up. They're filling the hospital
room around him, all talking,crying everything, and I'm exhausted, and
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I fall asleep on the floor ofthe hospital next to his bed. And
he hadn't changed his coma breathing forforty eight hours. It was that horrible,
labored coma breathing that I'm sure manypeople are aware of. And I'm
on the floor taking a nap,and he appears. Paul wakes me up,
but I'm still sleeping in this dream. He wakes me up and goes,
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Sue, and I see him vividlyand he's young and happy and healthy
looking, and he goes, whatare you doing on the floor? You
said I could die in your arms? Would you please get everybody out of
this room and go stand on theother side and hold me so I can
cross? And I woke up going. Paul just told me he's ready to
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go, And I got everyone outexcept his mom, and I stood on
one side of him and his momstood on the other and we said,
we love you so much, Paul, and we release you to the highest
realms. We will be okay,you are free to go. And at
those words, his soul took abeautiful breath, of peaceful breath, first
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time in days that koma breathing stopped, and his soul lifted out of his
body, and we saw it,his mother and I witnessed it, and
we knew his soul was moving outand was free. And I had no
attachment to his body at that moment. Then I went, I knew he
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was free, and so I waslifted into this altered state by him,
where he had his voice in myear constantly saying this is in divine order.
You have to under look at itthis way. Every little incident that
would happen, sue, that's notthe truth. The truth is blah blah
blah. Even to the point whereI needed to find a new apartment,
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and I was in my twenties.I was obviously pretty poor. I was
a mountain climber instructor, like youknow, no corporate job in the seventies,
and so I needed to find anapartment. And I was very depressed
about it because I was thinking,oh God, I'm not going to be
able to afford anything nice. Andso I have a list, I make
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fun calls, I have appointments togo see apartments, and then the whole
night before Paul is with me,showing me this apartment that had multiple windows
and multiple levels and a circular stairwayin the middle and very vivid this whole
vision. And then he shows methis little boy taking my hand to show
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me this apartment. And so Iwake up going, well, that's interesting,
but I gotta go find an apartmentnow, you know. It's like
I didn't realize how powerful spirit is. And so I pull out in my
car and I have this list ofpeople to go see, and I noticed
that there's this sign up that saysapartment for rent. In my voice,
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my intuition or Paul says turn inthat driveway. And I'm a virgo,
like I'm all about my list andeverything, and I'm like, no,
I have another appointment, you know, And the voice is like, turn
in that driveway. And I turnedin the drive way and the realtor was
a mom, a single mom,actually renting the apartment. And this little
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boy answered the door and said,my mom's here. I can't show it
to you, And so I said, well, could you just call her
and ask, you know, I'lltalk to her if you want. And
he ended up showing me this apartment, holding my hand, walking me through
it. It was exactly the apartmentI had seen in my dream, and
I could afford it. And Ilived in that apartment for ten years and
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it was my healing sanctuary. Thisis how powerful spirit is. This is
how much our loved ones want tohelp us see the world differently through our
divine lens wonderful story. And ifwe could pay more attention to our dreams,
we will see a lot of anout picture later on in life.
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I know when I was twelve,I dreamt my husband, yeah, down
to the point of what he wouldhave on in the day. He walked
in my father's cleaners to drop offhis dry cleaning. I just I was
waiting on someone. I just happenedto look up and see him to acknowledge,
Okay, you're next. And Ilooked at him and said, oh,
you're the person I'm going to marryto myself. And I went right
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back to doing my work. Andthen when I waited on him, nothing
else after that, And now fortyeight years later, here we are.
That's so great. In your book, you talk about intuition, and you
say that as we go through thisprocess of looking at life through a divine
lens, that our intuition becomes flawless. To us about that, because so
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many people feel they're not intuitive,and then some people feel that they're very
intuitive, and ego gets in theway. So talk to us about that.
So here's how it works. Wedrop into this physical world, and
we each have a left brain anda right brain because we've got to have
it so unique. Picture it thisway. You and I are in the
divine realms. We're studying in thelibrary of soul. Wisdom. We're meeting
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with our Council of a Souls,and we're so happy and filled with love,
and we hear the call put outthat says humanity is in trouble.
We need people who are willing togo in there and help shift it into
the light, into the love,and we go, all right, I'll
go back down there, even thoughthat place is terrible and you get lost
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and you forget who you are.And they said, yeah, because you
got to have a mind. Youhave to have a logic mind to survive
in that dense realm. And thelogic mind becomes your boss. And we
even promise our guides that we willnot get lost in the left brain logic
mind, that we will let ourright brain, higher self soul be our
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boss and we will be connected tothat. And so we drop in and
we're connected to that, and theneverybody says, oh, you're daydreaming.
Pay attention, follow it, dothis math, you know, and we're
just talked into our left brain.Now, it is true that some of
us have a better, stronger leftbrain than others. I was kind of
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blessed in that my logic mind wasnot strong. My right brain, intuitive
self was way strong, and soas much as the world tried to talk
me into my logic left brain,I just couldn't do it. And so
I was raised by nuns, whichwas good because every test was writing,
and I can write because I writefrom spirit most of the time. But
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I could never do a multiple choicetest because that's all the logic mind,
right. And yet other people arebetter able to master that left brain,
and it makes them feel very successfulin the world, and so they really
adhere to what the logic mind istelling them. And then here we are
in our culture right now, wherethat logic mind represented I think by much
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of what's dark in the world rightnow. Corporate greed, etc. Is
all that we give honor to,that we homage to. And the right
brain, higher consciousness is called wowoo and ridiculous and lived hard by the
world. Right So when we sayI am going to trust that inner knowingness,
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when I get that nudge that saysturn into this driveway, even though
it's illogical and you have other thingsyou're supposed to be doing, and we
start following that nudge and turn intothat driveway and find the apartment that was
in our dreams now We're building themuscle of believing in that intuitive voice and
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following it. And the more wedo that, the more our intuition just
gets stronger and stronger. Yeah,if we just listen to it, Yeah,
right, listening and then taking someaction upon it. When we go
to your website, So Frederick dotcom, what are we going to find
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there? Well, I have someglass is coming up on Zoom that I
would love to have people join mefor, and some retreats that I'm speaking
at, you know, and variousthings like that. I'm always got something
happening. Plus I see clients everyday and you can sign up. I
have three different kinds of sessions.One is based on helping you understand your
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purpose through numerology and intuition and yoursoul agreements. And then the ninety minute
one is we do all that,plus then I take you into the divine
realms and a guided process where youget to have your own conversation with your
guides. And then the third oneis a two hour entire journey of me
taking you into the divine. Wedrop into a significant past lifetime that has
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meaning for you today and I guideyou through it, and then we go
back into the divine realms and talkto your counsel, your guides. It's
so incredible because no matter how cynicala person may be, they have an
experience of something otherworldly and they eithersee and feel and hear their guides or
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they just get a knowing this ofwhat their guides are telling them. And
I have it recorded because they speakout loud and answer what I'm asking them.
And then we come back into thebody and I go, how was
that for you? And they say, I was really there, and then
it's on the recording and then theycan go back and listen to it,
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and it helps them remember that theyare a divine being and the divine realms
are more real than this real realm. Absolutely positively love it, absolutely love
it. Now you have classes thatare coming right up, so folks,
please do go and take a look, okay, because I'm quite sure that
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she has something that will be ofinterest to you. And she's truly somebody
who walks their talk. And we'retalking about this a little bit earlier before
we the recording. We're both inour seventies and we both look in our
forties, and well, when wehave a minute to do our hair right,
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Okay, so she's telling on me. Folks. I'm doing this recording
hair and no make up. Youshould You should see this hair when I
just washed it, haven't worked onit. You know, it's it's But
the thing we were saying is wehave the glow. It's living with an
open heart and connecting to spirit.And that's what we all get when we
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are open hearted and living connected tospirit exactly. So, folks, So
that might be something that you wantto consider instead of having a facelift or
the tummy tuck or whatever. WalkI could afford that facelift, I tell
you, Monique, I'd be verytempted by that. Man, I'm going
to I'm going to own it allis what it is, except for when
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I don't have my face, Ican't see that. So I really enjoy
talking to you and laughing with youand exploring spirituality together. Could you give
us a pearl of wisdom before wego? Yes. I want everybody to
know here that they are a beautifulsoul on a divine mission, that they
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each came in with unique gifts theyintended to share with the world through their
work and with a loving consciousness alwaysguiding them and giving them nudges, and
that each person here is part ofGod, and so it is, and
so it is. OK. Sayso, thank you so much for being
with us today. I greatly appreciateit. I know the audience does too,
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and I want everyone to remember thatthe most important choice that you can
make is what you choose to makeimportant. Consider making the mathical choice of
discovering life through a divine lens theblessings late at about it. Thank you,
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