July 23, 2023 • 36 mins
Von Braschler is back to talk about his latest book, Lucid Dreams—the second scroll in the Ancient Wisdom series.
Lucid dreams ( LD) have fascinated people from different traditions for ages. Braschler delves into identifying and programming your own lucid dreams.
This one-of-a-kind book on dreamwork explores the concept of when a dream becomes more than just a dream, delves into the rich history of serious dreamwork, teaches readers how to prepare for a dream journey, and guides them in mapping their destination through visualization.
Get step-by-step guidance on dreamscape exercises and unlock the journey of the hero within you. Explore and uncover parallel lives visited in your dreams, and even delve into shared dreams with others.
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Von Braschler resides on a small island near Anacortes, Washington, and is active in the Theosophical Society. He is the author of several books on consciousness and appears in workshops and on many radio shows.
Lucid dreams ( LD) have fascinated people from different traditions for ages. Braschler delves into identifying and programming your own lucid dreams.
This one-of-a-kind book on dreamwork explores the concept of when a dream becomes more than just a dream, delves into the rich history of serious dreamwork, teaches readers how to prepare for a dream journey, and guides them in mapping their destination through visualization.
Get step-by-step guidance on dreamscape exercises and unlock the journey of the hero within you. Explore and uncover parallel lives visited in your dreams, and even delve into shared dreams with others.
We talk about
- The colorful impact of lucid dreaming
- Programming an LD
- Explore other worlds via lucid dreaming
- How your soul leaves your body during an LD
- How ancient thought leaders incorporated LD into their lives
- How to travel to other realms
- Open a window to your soul
Von Braschler resides on a small island near Anacortes, Washington, and is active in the Theosophical Society. He is the author of several books on consciousness and appears in workshops and on many radio shows.
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Welcome to an operate. The Consciousnessof Transforming podcast were exceptional twenty first century
living folks. Bond Brashers back withus that we're talking about the second book
in the Ancient Wisdom Scrolls series,and it's Lucid Dreams. We are going
to have a lot of fun talkingabout lucid dreaming and learning like the ancients
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learned on the scroll. The informationshared on Get Over It uses a pragmatic
and intuitive insight to help you shiftyour energy on your consciousness to break through
the blocks that are no longer needed. Yes, we're going to help you
let go of the BS that's beenholding you back. But you guys know
I always ask are you truly readyto? And by the way, folks
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bs' belief system. A bit aboutme from my new listeners, Intuitive Sense
Birth. I'm a third generation intuitivewith over three decades of experience supporting people
to break through the blocks along theirpath. I'm a strategist for personal and
professional transformation, reviewing cutting edge informationthat enables you to prosper and thrive.
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I spent twenty five successful years incorporate America as an executive sales professional,
and I am the founder of HealingPrisions Ministries in the Northern California Children's Education
Network at five O one say threenonprofit. I provide consultations and healings in
all areas of life that heal themind, body spirit connection, allowing you
to live your very best life.My clients tell me that I keep it
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real while providing them with accurate informationto a system along their journey as a
spirit living a human existence. Butthey also say, if you really don't
want to know, don't ask.Monique. My background includes a doctorate metaphysics,
Ricky Master teacher, ordained minister,and clinical hypno therapist. So whether
you are stressed, depressed or aposss, I can help to find out
more about me and the services Ioffer. Go to my website and that's
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Facebook and LinkedIn is no longer onTwitter, so don't go there. My
guest today, Von Brescher, isback now he was on a little while
ago. You can check out thefirst interview in the Ancient Wisdom Scrolls series
and that's posted on June tenth,twenty twenty three, and that was Past
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Lives and today we're going to talkabout lucid dreaming. Vaughn lives off the
coast of Washington State and he haswritten many books on consciousness and he is
part of the theolosoical I can't saythat theolo say it for me. Blah.
Vaughn theosophical thank you, the basedon the wisdom of the Goddess Sophia.
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Of course society. So hey,she's here, he's here, and
let's get this party going here.Von says so much for sending the second
book, Lucid Dreams. They areabsolutely fantastic. Every time that you open
the scrolls and you begin to read, it's like you're magically transported back in
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time. And I think this isreally key for the Lucid Dreaming book.
Why lucid dreaming? How did youcome up with that subject matter to explore?
Well, thank you, Monique,and thanks for having me back again.
I think it's the most important thingthe person is likely to do in
their in their everyday life. Itis Lucid dreams are not common dreams.
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They're not stress dreams. They're thesoul or the spirit or the inner consciousness,
if you will, leaving the bodyand exploring and discovering it is.
It is an important part of lifeto go to sleep and have a lucid
dream. I agree, and mylucid dreams and I'm hoping other people's too.
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I don't want to be completely weird. Is that I feel as if
I am truly there. And sometimeswhen I wake up from the dream,
I actually go and check things tosee if everything is okay or not.
Now was that a lucid dream orwas that me reacting? Oh? Yeah,
And I think that's a very wiseapproach. I always encourage people to
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to try to place themselves there,established that they are truly there. Established
that you're in control of the dream. That's an important part of a lucid
dream. Established that it's colorful andvivid and impactful. Um that you are
one of the characters, not allof the characters that you are are truly
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you truly sense that you are therein the sense that you have greater awareness.
You're keenly aware of everything that's happening. This is this is I like
to say that a lucid dream isis more than a dream, but it
is because it takes you. Ittakes you to a reality that you can
truly explore as opposed to you know, just some light. If you will
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dream and people or yourself or notdoing things the way, I guess that
you would want to do it.So why don't you share with us the
history of serious dreamwork. There area few people out there that really are
into some serious dreamwork. Not theold thing when my mom was younger and
she had a dream book. Ina dream book, if you dumped up
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a dog, it meant one thing, and then it had numbers behind it.
So about the seriousness of it,yeah, I do discourage people from
dream dictionaries. You're the best interpreterof your own dream in any in any
regard. But the history of dreaming, as serious dream work is is very
ancient, and it's um it's verysignificant, and thank you for the opportunity
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to talk about it, because usuallypeople just want to talk about their dreams.
But you know, it goes itgoes back at least to three thousand
BC or even earlier. We knowthat there were recorded dreams in ancient sumer
There were dreams in Mesopotamia, Syria, Babylonia, all of the Acadian civilizations
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of that area, the Kings andMesopotamia they used dreams to guide them.
Um. They built their temples basedon what they had dreamed. Instructions from
dreams. We have the Acadian Epicof gild Amesh, which which were a
series of prophetic dreams, travels toother realms and meetings with with with deities
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uh. And and this is acommon theme that that dreams of this sort
would be treated as divine revelation,prophecy, prophecy uh, even healing experiences
and of course windows to the soul. Now, the Assyrian king built a
temple to the god of dreams Um. The Babylonians cataloged their dreams for prophecy
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and direction, but the Egyptians asearly as two thousand BC began to record
their dreams on papyrus leaves. Soyou know, these are the first recorded
dreams. And they believed that thedreams were oracles and messages from the gods.
So as a result, they tookspecial steps to induce vivid dreams and
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provide them with that sort of thing. Now, the Greeks actually went a
bit more down that road. Theyproduced the first dream book in the fifth
century BC, and they they believedin what we call the morphic mysteries,
the god of dreams would visit them, and they actually had dream temples where
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you would go in and someone wouldassist you in having a very impactful,
meaningful, vivid, lucid dream.And you know, we have the Greek
father of all healing, Hippocrates.He said the soul receives messages during the
day, but produced images during thenight during a dream state. And then
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the Greek philosopher Aristotle, he saidthat dreams could predict it even diagnose sickness.
So then we get into Cicero theItalian, and I think that this
is really significant for me. Hesaid that all dreams are produced by human
conscious thought and result in visions ofan insightful nature here here, and then
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you know, it goes on.You know. In early China they believe
the soul was freed to travel duringa dream state, much the same.
In early India, the soul departsthe body during a dream state. Early
Welsh history, much the same.They believe that you travel in time during
your dream state. Of course,the indigenous American tribes believed in the dream
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walker, and a Mexican natives believethe dreams represented a portal for contacting and
visiting ancestors. So this goes onand on. You see it in Judaic,
Christian, Islamic, Buddhist, Hinducultures. Now the early Jews,
of course, we have the storyof Jacob's latter there were many significant dreams
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in the Bible. Uh, SaintJerome, Saint Augustine heavily influenced by dreams
in their lives. Then we hadThen we had the Protestant Reformation and the
Catholic Inquisition, and they said thatthe dreams were of the devil, the
work of the Prince of darkness.And the Renaissance came and rescued dreams for
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Christianity. And then we have thisperiod of all this. These um these
uh painters like uh Uh Gogan,um Rousseau, all of these who believe
that um thing of Salvador Dala GoyaCasso, they Uh they painted dreamers and
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and they thought the dream was animportant portal and that would provide insights.
So you know, then we havepsychology getting involved. Carl Young, you
know, the Great Awakening. Ithink that if you look at the history
of dreams and dream work, peoplehave always been guided, always been directed,
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and sometimes had divine revelations in theirdreams. They've had great insights to
the you know, the soul andtheir their inner self. They've they've learned
more about themselves, uh, youknow, their shortcomings, their dreams,
their goals, their mission in life. Um. We people have visited uh
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exotic places, they've gone to thefuture. They've they've learned to prophesize through
dreams reliably. Dreams are A luciddream is a very very special thing.
It's not like a common dream atall. It is it is it is
the soul leaving the body to explore. Now in your scrolls, just say
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that you can program a lucid dream. How do we do that? I
mean, if you're sleeping, yeah, yeah, So you know, you
bring up a good point. Mostpeople, Um, they have these common
dreams, and they're like dreams ofa stressful night where the body is not
really asleep, but it's not reallyyou know, awake either. You're just
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tossing and turning in bed. Andmoreover, your physical mind hasn't been put
to sleep. It is restless,and you're tossing and turning, and you're
you're you're you're kind of flipping throughall these these memory banks in your mind,
things that have kind of bothered youto during the day you can't resolve,
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and they continue to bother you duringthis period where you're just quietly let's
say, not really asleep, butquietly reflective, you know, reflective.
And in in this reflective mode,we have the nightmares and we have the
tormenting dreams where we try to resolvethese questions of the way things have gone,
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and it's the analytical mind or physicalmind that won't let go. The
trick is, then, and programmingalyssid dream is to totally put the body
to sleep, you know, andI do this, I advocate using self
hypnosis. You know, you willyour feet to go to sleep, your
legs, your torso, your arms, your chest, all the way to
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the top of your head, andyou tell it to go to sleep,
and tell it it's heavy, it'snumb, it's at rest. And then
you must reach an inner harmony withyourself, you know, realizing the holistic
property of people that we are bodyminded spirit. You must actually have the
agreement of your own analytical mind tojust for a little while shut down.
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And it is so important that thephysical mind, the physical brain, will
then go to a deeper sleep mode, because if you don't do that,
it's going to continue to get inthe way. Once you've done this,
you know, then your your innerconsciousness, your spirit, your soul can
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come forward and actually have a dream. Now. I'm working on a new
book that will come out in abody you're called programming lucid Dreams. I
think it's so important that to havea handle on your dreams if you're going
to do dream work, so thatyour dreams that are are truly lucid aren't
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just accidental. Coming now and thenmoments when the spirit longs to be free
and leaps out and says I'm goingsomewhere tonight, and it takes you along.
And first of all you have toallow you have to put yourself totally
sleep. Then you have to youhave to put the analytical mind to rest
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okay, and then you have toactually visualize where you want to go.
Now, any kind of a importantjourney we take, you know, requires
a plan. You need to havean agenda. Where are you going to
go, you know, and andwhat are you going to do and what
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do you expect to experience there?So you actually have to you have to
envision all of this, and whatI advocate is that you picture that in
your mind, before your mind's eye, this clear tableau tablet, and you
begin to begin to draw or painta picture of where you want to go
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and what you want to see andand and what you picture the time period,
You picture the location, you picturethe events, maybe the people who
were there, and most importantly,what you expect or hope to learn.
And then you know. Then youyou prepare yourself to leave the body,
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knowing that that your physical body andyour your your mental your your physical mind
is at rest and safe. Andthen you you you bring that that that
tablet that you've you've drawn before youand it it becomes a perfect map to
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take you exactly where you want togo. Okay, so let me let
me ask a question about that though. What if you want to explore another
world and you haven't been there andyou don't really know any think about the
particular world, do you talk ofor think about what you want to experience?
Yeah, it is exactly so youknow that you're not limited. This
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is the beauty of a lucid dream. You're limited to go anywhere in any
time that you choose. Exotic realmsexotic worlds, you know, subtle energy
planes of existence, parallel worlds,you know, uh, distant planets.
If you will the past the future, it makes that difference. And you
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you don't have to have a frameof reference, you know, you just
have to draw, you know,the attention and the desire of wanting to
go there. And this can bea very sketchy outline of an agenda.
Doesn't matter. You'll follow it becauseit's your game plan, it's your map,
and and and you you you setyour own parameters of where you want
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to go and what you want toexperience. Now you might fumble around a
little bit, and because if youdon't have a frame of reference, you
know, if you want to gosomewhere quite exotic and quite quite distant.
But you know, anything is possiblein a lucid dream. And so I
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advocate putting the body in mind totallyat rest, reaching this inner harmony where
it'll your mind will allow your innerconsciousness to come forward and leave the body,
and then visualizing where you want togo with the intent of actually using
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that as a map to take youthere. You know, we have all
this rich history of dream work inthe past, from past civilizations. We
know this works. We know thatyou can actually program your dreams. They
would induce their dreams, the ancients, they would induce their dreams. They
wouldn't just hope that Morpheus would takethem there. You know, they had
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expectations. They had a desire andintent to learn in their dreams. You
know, the great kings of Assyriaand Mesopotamia, who would want some direction
in their lives, would would wouldgo into an induced dream looking for direction.
You know. So, I guesswhat I'm saying is the most important
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thing you're going to draw on thistablet during your visualization is intent. Okay,
So is it possible to inadvertently sendyourself to a lucid nightmare? Oh
my gosh, I am. Isuppose inadvertently, then that would probably would
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not be such a lucid dream,and I'm going to have to say no,
that's once again a common a restless, restless sleep dream or or a
stress dream, if you will.Dreams are usually something that happens, I
mean, nightmare dreams are usually somethingthat happens during restless nights with stress.
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Okay, Okay, Well, Iwas just wondering because you know, sometimes
you'll have a dream that something hashappened to a family member and it seems
so real to you in a dreamthat when you get up or when you
wake up, you go and checkon that family member to see if everything
is okay. Yeah, we havea lot of examples of how people from
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Native Americans to other civilizations, theMexicans would would would would typically visit ancestors
in dreams, so they would theywould talk to the dead, right,
so so that that could be alittle dark, you know, but that
would be with the intent that youwant to speak to the dead, you
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know. Okay, what about shareddreams? A long long time ago,
I've got two sons and they werelittle and we all had the same dream
the same night and just blew meaway because I didn't at the time think
that was even possible. So talkto us about shared dreams and the benefits.
Yeah, those, Yeah, Ido cover that in lucid Dreams.
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I think it's um, it's entirelypossible to experience the same dream as someone
else if you both, particularly ifyou're very well connected. It would be
like a family member of sibling,a child, there would be maybe a
spouse, a loved one. Certainlya twin you know, a twin flame.
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You know I've done that. Youknow, someone you were very close
to you, you know, andin that sense, it's easier for you
to dream now once again, youwill to really do this reliably. Well,
you'd want to both programmed the samedream, to have the same dreams
at the same time. So you'reyou you agree, agree in advance that
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you're going to induce a lucid dreamwith the following expectations and agenda. And
then you find yourself there and youcan you can, you can link a
dream link in that way. Nowyou could also dream link with a group
of people, of course, andthat has been done, but most reliably
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would be with one other person.And the value of this, of course,
as you as you well know,Monique, is that you can,
uh, you can, you can. You could actually get together later on
and confer notes as to what youdreamed. And it's amazing how real it
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is, you know, I meaneverybody is truly there. Oh, absolutely,
everybody is truly there. And you'veseen it, You've seen it and
you've experienced it. So you gettogether later on, you get you get
you get together later on and youyou go over the dream and you analyze
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it, you know. So,So I think this is very important because
ultimately when you return from any dream, and elucid dream is is maybe a
better example of this is that you'reyou're going to want to try to analyze
it. Now, you know whatwhat you typically will want to do is
going to a light meditation where you'relying quietly then in bed, and you're
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kind of absorbing it without thinking toomuch, without without trying to um particularly
trying not to uh involve the analyticalmind because it was never there, and
you're just kind of let let thedream wash wash over you. And I
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call this internalized in the message,it just letting it just sink in and
absorbing it. And in this periodwhere you're a little bit awaken, a
little bit asleep, this meditative statehere of reflective nature, this is an
opportunity to share information between your youryour your inner consciousness which has just experienced
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this this impactful dream in your analyticalmind, which is now kind of coming
into the picture but not but notgrabbing hold and seizing control. And so
it becomes it becomes aware, yousee, informed of the dream. And
then once that happens, what youfeel that you've actually actually absorbed the dream,
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then you can get out of bed, sit at your nightstand if you
will. In writing your dream journal, you can begin to analyze the dream
intellectually. Only then so is itpossible to change your existing experience on earth
through dreams and programming the lucid dreamfor what you want to have happen?
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Or would that be somewhat of aviolation of what you agreed to come here
and do. Oh, I thinkyou've really touched on it. Goodwe doctor
Chapman. Yes, yes, thatis that's that's the crux of I think
what you want to experience in alucid dream. You want to find out
who you are, why you're here, and what you should be doing in
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your life. And this is somethingthat's known not to your analytical mind,
because this is the storehouse of memoriesthat you physically observed in this common,
everyday work, eat, sleep worldof yours, with very little time for
great reflection. It is the provinceof your inner spirit, your your your
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inner consciousness, which is eternal,which which which precedes you and and end
and will will continue after your physicallife here has ended. It is it
is your your your your your consciousconnection to all that is and ever will
be. It is. It isknowledgeable of who you've been, who you
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are, and why you're here.It knows the past, it knows the
future. It is the part ofyou should you should be listening to.
So Yeah, So I think thatletting your your your spirit free to roam
during a lucid dream is the greatestthing that a person can do. Now
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they're always to have a lucid dream. You can program a lucid dream to
happen just the minute you know youreyes are beginning to sink away. You
can program You can program your dreamjust as you're going to sleep. And
and then of course your body iscompletely at rest. It's going to be
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the most RESTful night your physical bodyand mind have ever had. You could
you could do this during a wakingdream. You could do it, you
know, sitting at a chair.You know, some people call this meditation.
By the way, you could dothis lying on this sofa, you
know, in a what's often calleda daydream. You know, it doesn't
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have to be at night when you'resleeping, but this is the most ideal
setting. Okay, So you broughtup something the day dream now was a
day dream just something you fall intobecause for whatever reason, you're not wanting
to pay attention into your reality atthat moment. Yeah, I think I
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think you're right. I think you'reright. M okay. Um. So
when we prepare for the dream,we're preparing for the journey. What type
of protection, if any, dowe need to surround ourselves with to make
sure that we don't fear or listento a voice that's not for our highest
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good? Yeah? I mean thisis important. You have to be totally
in control of the dream. Andthis is what I advocate for programming a
lucid dream, is that they don'taccidentally happen. You don't slip away,
someone doesn't grab you and pull youaway. You know. Be in control
of your life, you know.And and no one wants to be more
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in control of you than your innerself, that self, that hidden self
of you, that that that wetypically ignore it tuck away, that your
inner self is is fully capable ofmaking this journey on its own. So
you want to provide yourself, firstof all, a very safe, uh
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and quiet place where the body isgoing to be Um. Um you know,
um well, um, let megive you the example now in India.
In India they have uh, somebodymystics, Somebodi mystics, great have
great out of body learning experiences.They are very deep thinkers, they're very
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serious meditators. They take their youngand the first thing they do with their
initiatives is to is to teach themhow to have controlled dreaming, you see,
and and and what they'll do isthey'll they'll have these these these great
out of body lucid dreams where they'llgo somewhere which they've chosen, you know,
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and and and they'll be gone fora long long time. And what
they do in this setting that insomebody mysticism is they'll they'll have just like
the old Greek dream temples, they'llhave attendance or or or monitors that'll be
with them to make sure they're they'resafe and they're well guarded. Now,
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I think it's been about a decadeago, but there was a great tsunami
that hit southern India and Indonesia.And during that time there were some adi
mystic students who were involved in theselucid dreams. And the dreams were so
intense and and and so absorbing thatyou know, they couldn't get them out
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of the dream, you know,to to say let's go. We gotta,
you know, get on your feetand run away. There's a tsunami
coming. They actually picked up thebodies, carried them to a safer place,
and their attend and their attendants continueto monitor them in another location.
They were therefore gone for a longlong time. Now. I did this
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sort of sort of lucid dreaming witha group of people I had once in
a workshop, and it was incrediblebecause they were vol different backgrounds. And
some of them said, oh,I don't believe you leave the body.
And I said, you're going tohave a wonderful experience. You know,
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you're gonna have a tour. Youknow, No, it all happens inside
your head. I said, whatever, You're gonna have a great time,
you know. And and the finalon the final day, it was a
five day thing. I know.I set them all, you know,
I programmed them all to go whereverthey wanted to go. Before that,
I had suggestions and and I said, there's only one thing that's going to
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take you out of it, andit's this. And they were gone.
They were so gone. It waslike it was so gone you know.
So I went outside and I walkedaround, you know, I climbed a
tree, I went to the lake. I went kayacting. I kept checking
in on and them checking in onthem. Hours and hours they were gone,
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and it was time for dinner.So I said, okay, come
out of it now. Nothing AndI started to worry. And there was
somebody recording this. I mean,how do you record your dream? Right?
But he's recording it and he said, and I said, come let's
go. Oh my gosh, theremust have been a prompt and I said,
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and everybody's in their eyes, butI said, have a nice trip.
I mean they were gone for hours, hours, so it's not hard.
I mean we had everybody from areal estate salesperson to a dentist to
you know, somebody who wrote,you know, it was a writer.
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I mean, we had all differentkinds of people and they all did this.
And there was there was one personwho had been in a monastery for
years and he said, I don'tbelieve in this out of body travel.
And he said and he said,oh my gosh, you would not believe
where I've been. I said,well, this is your personal inner experience.
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You don't need to tell me,I mean. And that's and that's
the thing too. These are intenselypersonal, insightful moments during a lucid dream.
You're not going to be able tolook them up in a dream dictionary
and say, what did the cigarmean? Come on? Come on,
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you know. And and the otherthing is you're going to see people in
these lucid dreams that may not bein your everyday physical world unless you have
programmed them to be there. Yousee, because these these are real you
these are not like highly imaginative moments. You know. It is not an
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exercise of your your imagination. Youknow, it is in a sense it
is it's engineering your your your youryour outbound reality. But but it is
it is. You know, you'regoing to You're going to see things that
are quite exotic. Yeah, you'retruly tapping into the soul. Yeah,
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you are, and and and andyou know, there are realities within realities
and most most of us are notaware of this, but but there are
subtle planes of existence. They arealternate universes in in in in worlds,
there's the past, there's the future, there's there. There are worlds that
are are cast in and in yellow. There are worlds that are cast in
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in in orange and people will say, oh, my gosh, I dreamed
of a world and everything was kindof blue, you know, And I
said, why, Oh, thatmust have been so peaceful. I mean,
you know, you're going to goplaces that are not like this physical
world and had a lot of fun. Yeah, be so much fun and
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so much to discover. You,Alvon, I really enjoy talking to you,
but our time has come. Couldyou leave the audience with a pearl
of wisdom? Oh my gosh,I doubt it. I sincerely doubt it.
You know, keep up dreaming,you know that's the most important thing.
Everybody's got to sleep, but everybody'salso got to dream and and and
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and actually begin to look at yourdreams as as as we call it dream
work. But but think of ofof of how RESTful the body must be
to experience this intense dream let adreamscape that we're talking about, and how
impactful in meaning full it will befor you to experience these things. It's
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a great spiritual awakening. Yes,And I call it soul work because that's
what it feels like to be workingwith the soul. Well, Von,
thanks so much for being with metoday. I greatly appreciate it. Thank
you, and I know the audienceappreciates it. Also, an audience,
I do appreciate your time and attention. And everyone please remember that the most
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important choice that you could make iswhat you choose to make important. Consider
making the maskful choice of discovering luciddreams about the blessings. Might love to all copen
Welcome to an operate. The Consciousnessof Transforming podcast were exceptional twenty first century
living folks. Bond Brashers back withus that we're talking about the second book
in the Ancient Wisdom Scrolls series,and it's Lucid Dreams. We are going
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Birth. I'm a third generation intuitivewith over three decades of experience supporting people
to break through the blocks along theirpath. I'm a strategist for personal and
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I spent twenty five successful years incorporate America as an executive sales professional,
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Lives and today we're going to talkabout lucid dreaming. Vaughn lives off the
coast of Washington State and he haswritten many books on consciousness and he is
part of the theolosoical I can't saythat theolo say it for me. Blah.
Vaughn theosophical thank you, the basedon the wisdom of the Goddess Sophia.
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Of course society. So hey,she's here, he's here, and
let's get this party going here.Von says so much for sending the second
book, Lucid Dreams. They areabsolutely fantastic. Every time that you open
the scrolls and you begin to read, it's like you're magically transported back in
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time. And I think this isreally key for the Lucid Dreaming book.
Why lucid dreaming? How did youcome up with that subject matter to explore?
Well, thank you, Monique,and thanks for having me back again.
I think it's the most important thingthe person is likely to do in
their in their everyday life. Itis Lucid dreams are not common dreams.
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They're not stress dreams. They're thesoul or the spirit or the inner consciousness,
if you will, leaving the bodyand exploring and discovering it is.
It is an important part of lifeto go to sleep and have a lucid
dream. I agree, and mylucid dreams and I'm hoping other people's too.
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I don't want to be completely weird. Is that I feel as if
I am truly there. And sometimeswhen I wake up from the dream,
I actually go and check things tosee if everything is okay or not.
Now was that a lucid dream orwas that me reacting? Oh? Yeah,
And I think that's a very wiseapproach. I always encourage people to
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to try to place themselves there,established that they are truly there. Established
that you're in control of the dream. That's an important part of a lucid
dream. Established that it's colorful andvivid and impactful. Um that you are
one of the characters, not allof the characters that you are are truly
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you truly sense that you are therein the sense that you have greater awareness.
You're keenly aware of everything that's happening. This is this is I like
to say that a lucid dream isis more than a dream, but it
is because it takes you. Ittakes you to a reality that you can
truly explore as opposed to you know, just some light. If you will
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dream and people or yourself or notdoing things the way, I guess that
you would want to do it.So why don't you share with us the
history of serious dreamwork. There area few people out there that really are
into some serious dreamwork. Not theold thing when my mom was younger and
she had a dream book. Ina dream book, if you dumped up
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a dog, it meant one thing, and then it had numbers behind it.
So about the seriousness of it,yeah, I do discourage people from
dream dictionaries. You're the best interpreterof your own dream in any in any
regard. But the history of dreaming, as serious dream work is is very
ancient, and it's um it's verysignificant, and thank you for the opportunity
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to talk about it, because usuallypeople just want to talk about their dreams.
But you know, it goes itgoes back at least to three thousand
BC or even earlier. We knowthat there were recorded dreams in ancient sumer
There were dreams in Mesopotamia, Syria, Babylonia, all of the Acadian civilizations
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of that area, the Kings andMesopotamia they used dreams to guide them.
Um. They built their temples basedon what they had dreamed. Instructions from
dreams. We have the Acadian Epicof gild Amesh, which which were a
series of prophetic dreams, travels toother realms and meetings with with with deities
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uh. And and this is acommon theme that that dreams of this sort
would be treated as divine revelation,prophecy, prophecy uh, even healing experiences
and of course windows to the soul. Now, the Assyrian king built a
temple to the god of dreams Um. The Babylonians cataloged their dreams for prophecy
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and direction, but the Egyptians asearly as two thousand BC began to record
their dreams on papyrus leaves. Soyou know, these are the first recorded
dreams. And they believed that thedreams were oracles and messages from the gods.
So as a result, they tookspecial steps to induce vivid dreams and
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provide them with that sort of thing. Now, the Greeks actually went a
bit more down that road. Theyproduced the first dream book in the fifth
century BC, and they they believedin what we call the morphic mysteries,
the god of dreams would visit them, and they actually had dream temples where
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you would go in and someone wouldassist you in having a very impactful,
meaningful, vivid, lucid dream.And you know, we have the Greek
father of all healing, Hippocrates.He said the soul receives messages during the
day, but produced images during thenight during a dream state. And then
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the Greek philosopher Aristotle, he saidthat dreams could predict it even diagnose sickness.
So then we get into Cicero theItalian, and I think that this
is really significant for me. Hesaid that all dreams are produced by human
conscious thought and result in visions ofan insightful nature here here, and then
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you know, it goes on.You know. In early China they believe
the soul was freed to travel duringa dream state, much the same.
In early India, the soul departsthe body during a dream state. Early
Welsh history, much the same.They believe that you travel in time during
your dream state. Of course,the indigenous American tribes believed in the dream
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walker, and a Mexican natives believethe dreams represented a portal for contacting and
visiting ancestors. So this goes onand on. You see it in Judaic,
Christian, Islamic, Buddhist, Hinducultures. Now the early Jews,
of course, we have the storyof Jacob's latter there were many significant dreams
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in the Bible. Uh, SaintJerome, Saint Augustine heavily influenced by dreams
in their lives. Then we hadThen we had the Protestant Reformation and the
Catholic Inquisition, and they said thatthe dreams were of the devil, the
work of the Prince of darkness.And the Renaissance came and rescued dreams for
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Christianity. And then we have thisperiod of all this. These um these
uh painters like uh Uh Gogan,um Rousseau, all of these who believe
that um thing of Salvador Dala GoyaCasso, they Uh they painted dreamers and
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and they thought the dream was animportant portal and that would provide insights.
So you know, then we havepsychology getting involved. Carl Young, you
know, the Great Awakening. Ithink that if you look at the history
of dreams and dream work, peoplehave always been guided, always been directed,
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and sometimes had divine revelations in theirdreams. They've had great insights to
the you know, the soul andtheir their inner self. They've they've learned
more about themselves, uh, youknow, their shortcomings, their dreams,
their goals, their mission in life. Um. We people have visited uh
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exotic places, they've gone to thefuture. They've they've learned to prophesize through
dreams reliably. Dreams are A luciddream is a very very special thing.
It's not like a common dream atall. It is it is it is
the soul leaving the body to explore. Now in your scrolls, just say
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that you can program a lucid dream. How do we do that? I
mean, if you're sleeping, yeah, yeah, So you know, you
bring up a good point. Mostpeople, Um, they have these common
dreams, and they're like dreams ofa stressful night where the body is not
really asleep, but it's not reallyyou know, awake either. You're just
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tossing and turning in bed. Andmoreover, your physical mind hasn't been put
to sleep. It is restless,and you're tossing and turning, and you're
you're you're you're kind of flipping throughall these these memory banks in your mind,
things that have kind of bothered youto during the day you can't resolve,
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and they continue to bother you duringthis period where you're just quietly let's
say, not really asleep, butquietly reflective, you know, reflective.
And in in this reflective mode,we have the nightmares and we have the
tormenting dreams where we try to resolvethese questions of the way things have gone,
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and it's the analytical mind or physicalmind that won't let go. The
trick is, then, and programmingalyssid dream is to totally put the body
to sleep, you know, andI do this, I advocate using self
hypnosis. You know, you willyour feet to go to sleep, your
legs, your torso, your arms, your chest, all the way to
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the top of your head, andyou tell it to go to sleep,
and tell it it's heavy, it'snumb, it's at rest. And then
you must reach an inner harmony withyourself, you know, realizing the holistic
property of people that we are bodyminded spirit. You must actually have the
agreement of your own analytical mind tojust for a little while shut down.
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And it is so important that thephysical mind, the physical brain, will
then go to a deeper sleep mode, because if you don't do that,
it's going to continue to get inthe way. Once you've done this,
you know, then your your innerconsciousness, your spirit, your soul can
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come forward and actually have a dream. Now. I'm working on a new
book that will come out in abody you're called programming lucid Dreams. I
think it's so important that to havea handle on your dreams if you're going
to do dream work, so thatyour dreams that are are truly lucid aren't
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just accidental. Coming now and thenmoments when the spirit longs to be free
and leaps out and says I'm goingsomewhere tonight, and it takes you along.
And first of all you have toallow you have to put yourself totally
sleep. Then you have to youhave to put the analytical mind to rest
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okay, and then you have toactually visualize where you want to go.
Now, any kind of a importantjourney we take, you know, requires
a plan. You need to havean agenda. Where are you going to
go, you know, and andwhat are you going to do and what
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do you expect to experience there?So you actually have to you have to
envision all of this, and whatI advocate is that you picture that in
your mind, before your mind's eye, this clear tableau tablet, and you
begin to begin to draw or painta picture of where you want to go
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and what you want to see andand and what you picture the time period,
You picture the location, you picturethe events, maybe the people who
were there, and most importantly,what you expect or hope to learn.
And then you know. Then youyou prepare yourself to leave the body,
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knowing that that your physical body andyour your your mental your your physical mind
is at rest and safe. Andthen you you you bring that that that
tablet that you've you've drawn before youand it it becomes a perfect map to
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take you exactly where you want togo. Okay, so let me let
me ask a question about that though. What if you want to explore another
world and you haven't been there andyou don't really know any think about the
particular world, do you talk ofor think about what you want to experience?
Yeah, it is exactly so youknow that you're not limited. This
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is the beauty of a lucid dream. You're limited to go anywhere in any
time that you choose. Exotic realmsexotic worlds, you know, subtle energy
planes of existence, parallel worlds,you know, uh, distant planets.
If you will the past the future, it makes that difference. And you
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you don't have to have a frameof reference, you know, you just
have to draw, you know,the attention and the desire of wanting to
go there. And this can bea very sketchy outline of an agenda.
Doesn't matter. You'll follow it becauseit's your game plan, it's your map,
and and and you you you setyour own parameters of where you want
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to go and what you want toexperience. Now you might fumble around a
little bit, and because if youdon't have a frame of reference, you
know, if you want to gosomewhere quite exotic and quite quite distant.
But you know, anything is possiblein a lucid dream. And so I
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advocate putting the body in mind totallyat rest, reaching this inner harmony where
it'll your mind will allow your innerconsciousness to come forward and leave the body,
and then visualizing where you want togo with the intent of actually using
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that as a map to take youthere. You know, we have all
this rich history of dream work inthe past, from past civilizations. We
know this works. We know thatyou can actually program your dreams. They
would induce their dreams, the ancients, they would induce their dreams. They
wouldn't just hope that Morpheus would takethem there. You know, they had
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expectations. They had a desire andintent to learn in their dreams. You
know, the great kings of Assyriaand Mesopotamia, who would want some direction
in their lives, would would wouldgo into an induced dream looking for direction.
You know. So, I guesswhat I'm saying is the most important
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thing you're going to draw on thistablet during your visualization is intent. Okay,
So is it possible to inadvertently sendyourself to a lucid nightmare? Oh
my gosh, I am. Isuppose inadvertently, then that would probably would
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not be such a lucid dream,and I'm going to have to say no,
that's once again a common a restless, restless sleep dream or or a
stress dream, if you will.Dreams are usually something that happens, I
mean, nightmare dreams are usually somethingthat happens during restless nights with stress.
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Okay, Okay, Well, Iwas just wondering because you know, sometimes
you'll have a dream that something hashappened to a family member and it seems
so real to you in a dreamthat when you get up or when you
wake up, you go and checkon that family member to see if everything
is okay. Yeah, we havea lot of examples of how people from
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Native Americans to other civilizations, theMexicans would would would would typically visit ancestors
in dreams, so they would theywould talk to the dead, right,
so so that that could be alittle dark, you know, but that
would be with the intent that youwant to speak to the dead, you
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know. Okay, what about shareddreams? A long long time ago,
I've got two sons and they werelittle and we all had the same dream
the same night and just blew meaway because I didn't at the time think
that was even possible. So talkto us about shared dreams and the benefits.
Yeah, those, Yeah, Ido cover that in lucid Dreams.
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I think it's um, it's entirelypossible to experience the same dream as someone
else if you both, particularly ifyou're very well connected. It would be
like a family member of sibling,a child, there would be maybe a
spouse, a loved one. Certainlya twin you know, a twin flame.
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You know I've done that. Youknow, someone you were very close
to you, you know, andin that sense, it's easier for you
to dream now once again, youwill to really do this reliably. Well,
you'd want to both programmed the samedream, to have the same dreams
at the same time. So you'reyou you agree, agree in advance that
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you're going to induce a lucid dreamwith the following expectations and agenda. And
then you find yourself there and youcan you can, you can link a
dream link in that way. Nowyou could also dream link with a group
of people, of course, andthat has been done, but most reliably
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would be with one other person.And the value of this, of course,
as you as you well know,Monique, is that you can,
uh, you can, you can. You could actually get together later on
and confer notes as to what youdreamed. And it's amazing how real it
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is, you know, I meaneverybody is truly there. Oh, absolutely,
everybody is truly there. And you'veseen it, You've seen it and
you've experienced it. So you gettogether later on, you get you get
you get together later on and youyou go over the dream and you analyze
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it, you know. So,So I think this is very important because
ultimately when you return from any dream, and elucid dream is is maybe a
better example of this is that you'reyou're going to want to try to analyze
it. Now, you know whatwhat you typically will want to do is
going to a light meditation where you'relying quietly then in bed, and you're
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kind of absorbing it without thinking toomuch, without without trying to um particularly
trying not to uh involve the analyticalmind because it was never there, and
you're just kind of let let thedream wash wash over you. And I
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call this internalized in the message,it just letting it just sink in and
absorbing it. And in this periodwhere you're a little bit awaken, a
little bit asleep, this meditative statehere of reflective nature, this is an
opportunity to share information between your youryour your inner consciousness which has just experienced
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this this impactful dream in your analyticalmind, which is now kind of coming
into the picture but not but notgrabbing hold and seizing control. And so
it becomes it becomes aware, yousee, informed of the dream. And
then once that happens, what youfeel that you've actually actually absorbed the dream,
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then you can get out of bed, sit at your nightstand if you
will. In writing your dream journal, you can begin to analyze the dream
intellectually. Only then so is itpossible to change your existing experience on earth
through dreams and programming the lucid dreamfor what you want to have happen?
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Or would that be somewhat of aviolation of what you agreed to come here
and do. Oh, I thinkyou've really touched on it. Goodwe doctor
Chapman. Yes, yes, thatis that's that's the crux of I think
what you want to experience in alucid dream. You want to find out
who you are, why you're here, and what you should be doing in
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your life. And this is somethingthat's known not to your analytical mind,
because this is the storehouse of memoriesthat you physically observed in this common,
everyday work, eat, sleep worldof yours, with very little time for
great reflection. It is the provinceof your inner spirit, your your your
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inner consciousness, which is eternal,which which which precedes you and and end
and will will continue after your physicallife here has ended. It is it
is your your your your your consciousconnection to all that is and ever will
be. It is. It isknowledgeable of who you've been, who you
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are, and why you're here.It knows the past, it knows the
future. It is the part ofyou should you should be listening to.
So Yeah, So I think thatletting your your your spirit free to roam
during a lucid dream is the greatestthing that a person can do. Now
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they're always to have a lucid dream. You can program a lucid dream to
happen just the minute you know youreyes are beginning to sink away. You
can program You can program your dreamjust as you're going to sleep. And
and then of course your body iscompletely at rest. It's going to be
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the most RESTful night your physical bodyand mind have ever had. You could
you could do this during a wakingdream. You could do it, you
know, sitting at a chair.You know, some people call this meditation.
By the way, you could dothis lying on this sofa, you
know, in a what's often calleda daydream. You know, it doesn't
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have to be at night when you'resleeping, but this is the most ideal
setting. Okay, So you broughtup something the day dream now was a
day dream just something you fall intobecause for whatever reason, you're not wanting
to pay attention into your reality atthat moment. Yeah, I think I
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think you're right. I think you'reright. M okay. Um. So
when we prepare for the dream,we're preparing for the journey. What type
of protection, if any, dowe need to surround ourselves with to make
sure that we don't fear or listento a voice that's not for our highest
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good? Yeah? I mean thisis important. You have to be totally
in control of the dream. Andthis is what I advocate for programming a
lucid dream, is that they don'taccidentally happen. You don't slip away,
someone doesn't grab you and pull youaway. You know. Be in control
of your life, you know.And and no one wants to be more
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in control of you than your innerself, that self, that hidden self
of you, that that that wetypically ignore it tuck away, that your
inner self is is fully capable ofmaking this journey on its own. So
you want to provide yourself, firstof all, a very safe, uh
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and quiet place where the body isgoing to be Um. Um you know,
um well, um, let megive you the example now in India.
In India they have uh, somebodymystics, Somebodi mystics, great have
great out of body learning experiences.They are very deep thinkers, they're very
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serious meditators. They take their youngand the first thing they do with their
initiatives is to is to teach themhow to have controlled dreaming, you see,
and and and what they'll do isthey'll they'll have these these these great
out of body lucid dreams where they'llgo somewhere which they've chosen, you know,
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and and and they'll be gone fora long long time. And what
they do in this setting that insomebody mysticism is they'll they'll have just like
the old Greek dream temples, they'llhave attendance or or or monitors that'll be
with them to make sure they're they'resafe and they're well guarded. Now,
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I think it's been about a decadeago, but there was a great tsunami
that hit southern India and Indonesia.And during that time there were some adi
mystic students who were involved in theselucid dreams. And the dreams were so
intense and and and so absorbing thatyou know, they couldn't get them out
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of the dream, you know,to to say let's go. We gotta,
you know, get on your feetand run away. There's a tsunami
coming. They actually picked up thebodies, carried them to a safer place,
and their attend and their attendants continueto monitor them in another location.
They were therefore gone for a longlong time. Now. I did this
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sort of sort of lucid dreaming witha group of people I had once in
a workshop, and it was incrediblebecause they were vol different backgrounds. And
some of them said, oh,I don't believe you leave the body.
And I said, you're going tohave a wonderful experience. You know,
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you're gonna have a tour. Youknow, No, it all happens inside
your head. I said, whatever, You're gonna have a great time,
you know. And and the finalon the final day, it was a
five day thing. I know.I set them all, you know,
I programmed them all to go whereverthey wanted to go. Before that,
I had suggestions and and I said, there's only one thing that's going to
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take you out of it, andit's this. And they were gone.
They were so gone. It waslike it was so gone you know.
So I went outside and I walkedaround, you know, I climbed a
tree, I went to the lake. I went kayacting. I kept checking
in on and them checking in onthem. Hours and hours they were gone,
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and it was time for dinner.So I said, okay, come
out of it now. Nothing AndI started to worry. And there was
somebody recording this. I mean,how do you record your dream? Right?
But he's recording it and he said, and I said, come let's
go. Oh my gosh, theremust have been a prompt and I said,
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and everybody's in their eyes, butI said, have a nice trip.
I mean they were gone for hours, hours, so it's not hard.
I mean we had everybody from areal estate salesperson to a dentist to
you know, somebody who wrote,you know, it was a writer.
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I mean, we had all differentkinds of people and they all did this.
And there was there was one personwho had been in a monastery for
years and he said, I don'tbelieve in this out of body travel.
And he said and he said,oh my gosh, you would not believe
where I've been. I said,well, this is your personal inner experience.
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You don't need to tell me,I mean. And that's and that's
the thing too. These are intenselypersonal, insightful moments during a lucid dream.
You're not going to be able tolook them up in a dream dictionary
and say, what did the cigarmean? Come on? Come on,
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you know. And and the otherthing is you're going to see people in
these lucid dreams that may not bein your everyday physical world unless you have
programmed them to be there. Yousee, because these these are real you
these are not like highly imaginative moments. You know. It is not an
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exercise of your your imagination. Youknow, it is in a sense it
is it's engineering your your your youryour outbound reality. But but it is
it is. You know, you'regoing to You're going to see things that
are quite exotic. Yeah, you'retruly tapping into the soul. Yeah,
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you are, and and and andyou know, there are realities within realities
and most most of us are notaware of this, but but there are
subtle planes of existence. They arealternate universes in in in in worlds,
there's the past, there's the future, there's there. There are worlds that
are are cast in and in yellow. There are worlds that are cast in
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in in orange and people will say, oh, my gosh, I dreamed
of a world and everything was kindof blue, you know, And I
said, why, Oh, thatmust have been so peaceful. I mean,
you know, you're going to goplaces that are not like this physical
world and had a lot of fun. Yeah, be so much fun and
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so much to discover. You,Alvon, I really enjoy talking to you,
but our time has come. Couldyou leave the audience with a pearl
of wisdom? Oh my gosh,I doubt it. I sincerely doubt it.
You know, keep up dreaming,you know that's the most important thing.
Everybody's got to sleep, but everybody'salso got to dream and and and
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and actually begin to look at yourdreams as as as we call it dream
work. But but think of ofof of how RESTful the body must be
to experience this intense dream let adreamscape that we're talking about, and how
impactful in meaning full it will befor you to experience these things. It's
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a great spiritual awakening. Yes,And I call it soul work because that's
what it feels like to be workingwith the soul. Well, Von,
thanks so much for being with metoday. I greatly appreciate it. Thank
you, and I know the audienceappreciates it. Also, an audience,
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