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Welcome to Overrate the Consciousness Transforming Podcastfor exceptional twenty one cents. We're living,
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with Clive with him and we're goingto be talking about his newest book,
Self Dealing with Chinese Medicine, ahome guide to treating common ailments and folks,
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with Him has been researching and usingChinese Medicine and the Guas Shaw for twenty
plus years. He is a licensedacupuncturist and a qualified health education educator and
has published five books on Chinese medicineand five languages. As president of the
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Applied Ninjing Medicine Association, he runsthe Guashaw Center in the Animas Center for
Health and Research in Barcelona, Spain. He also is director of the Komoribi
Institute and creator of Ecology in MotionGua Shaw, an innovative approach to health
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and beauty which he teaches through FacialBody Watch Our programs to students in thirty
two countries and you can check themout at his website and ascribe with them
dot com clib e w I th A Emma dot com. Welcome five,
Hello, thank you very much.Hi, It's so great to have
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you here. Absolutely loved the book. With the Chinese medicine system being so
old, why is it coming tothe forefront now again? Well, yeah,
well this is this is one ofthe big issues around the times we're
living in right now. Is becausethe ideas were written basically two thousand years
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ago and put into these ancient textsin China, they're very much relevant to
what's happening right now with the changesthat all of us are kind of living
through pretty much environmental, but there'smany changes in society that you can pretty
much notice if you just watch thenews every day. And it's basically because
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what the ancient Chinese did was thatthey were kind of trying to categorize universal
principles of life, and this iskind of what they codified, and it
kind of became ancient Chinese medicine,and they were looking at the environment and
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nature and how it works and howwe interact with it, which is very
much the place we find ourselves nowin the twenty first century in that I
think there's been so much abuse betweenthe relationship between us and nature, which
has created a situation where so manypeople are removed from the whole of the
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physical nature around them. That theseprinciples, these ideas that actually nature is
actually within you, which is oneof the main Chinese medicine principles, that
it really kind of strikes a callnow with how people kind of the new
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way of thinking, certainly after afterCOVID which kind of woke everyone up,
and the changes that are happening thisyear, which of course it's going to
be hotter, there's going to bedifferent kind of weather, there's going to
be worse storms, just like itis every year. But if you kind
of understand a little bit about whatthe ancient Chinese was saying about how the
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motions work in nature, the samemotions work in our bodies, and we
kind of understand a great deal fromthese old, old texts. It's truly
amazing to me how everything from thepast is becoming very relevant. And it's
also very interesting that this system wasyou know, created, born, wherever
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you want to phrase it, youknow, two thousand years ago or more.
But we're still dealing with the samedisorders, disease it almost it seems
to have gotten worse. Is thatbecause of our lifestyle today, with you
know, the food and everything thatwe do that's not healthy for us.
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Well, yes, yes, therethere are many things that we kind of
we kind of grow up within acertain pattern that's kind of built around us
um and that's the kind of patternwe follow for the rest of our lives.
It doesn't necessarily mean that that patternis one that's going to make your
health or or maybe perhaps make yourbody the kind of to to live in
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a certain potential that it should livein um and these kind of problems that
that kind of come along in yourlife generally that because of a whole whole
bunch of things which I kind ofmentioned ten things in the beginning of the
book about the kind of things thatkind of how to make you thrive in
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life. And unfortunately a lot ofpeople don't get these right, and so
they don't thrive and problems appear.So I mean, one of them,
of course, is is following thebasic principles of digestion. I mean people
think people think that like an acidfeeling in the stomach or interigestion, they
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think it's a kind of normal,But that's actually an illness in itself.
It's not normal. You should neverhave it. But but we're kind of
like built in such a way thatyou just have you go to a pharmacy
and you get drugs to help youdo it, and you don't change your
diet. There are many emotional ideasbecause the ancient Chinese saw emotions as something
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completely different, so how we nowsee emotions. Certain in the West,
they saw emotions as literally emotions.They're not things, they're not think you
can actually quantify. There are actuallymovements in the body, and those movements
create certain changes within the body,and those if those emotions aren't processed within
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the body, then they kind ofget stuck and become actual physical problems stuck
here within the system of circulation inthe body. Hence, emotion can really
make you ill quite literally, andyou know that's often the case with so
many people suffering from anxiety and depression. Things, certain emotions get stuck and
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you just can't move them, andit becomes a physical problem. And there
are often physical symptoms which which perhapsthey're arising from it, but also that
perhaps they actually were the cause ofit. So there's there's emotions, there's
there's actually living according to your pathin life and now there's a certain way
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of living that's perfect for your body. I mean a lot of a lot
of people kind of get the basicidea of this by by the feeling that
you have when you go to certainplaces. So some people love to be
by the sea and they just feeldifferent there. There's something about the feeling
there, the breeze and the sound. Other people like to be at the
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top of the mountain and just justjust feel the freedom there other people in
the forest, and there's a certainplace that you feel more at peace in
than other places. UM. Andthat's the basic idea of how the environment
kind of puts in something that's missingin you. UM. And if you
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can kind of work out these missingpieces in you, you can kind of
work out the kind of environment thatwill match your body and bring out the
potential within you. And this isone of the reasons why I live in
a forest, because I know,I quite literally live in the middle of
a forest, and I know thatthat here. It's one thing that kind
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of I always love in life.And if I'm not near a forest,
I kind of want to go there, you know, want to visit there
at the weekend. UM. AndI've never slept better m then in my
life than than living in a forest. And I've been here like four years
now. And that's that's just anexample of the path in life. And
also it includes about doing a jobthat you that that will enhance your potential
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and being in a relationship that thatagain um, will will won't reduce who
you are. And this goes onand on and on. Basically, it's
the maximization of the circulation patterns inyour body, and all of these will
do that. So you're, basically, if I'm understanding correctly, talking about
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as you say in the book,the language of nature, paying attention to
what makes you feel good, andthen being in that environment as much as
possible. So, say, ifsomeone was having I don't know, some
health challenge and they wanted to receivesome relief naturally if they went to their
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favorite place, would it help themfeel better, not necessarily cure the disase,
but would allow them to feel betterto deal with it, or even
think of a way to cure themselves. Well yeah, yeah, I mean
it's not. Basically the idea oflike cure is a particular word that's quite
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complicated. It's about maximizing the potentialof how your body works, and if
you're in a certain environment that doesthat nihances your circulation, then it's only
going to be something something good thatyou that your body will be encouraged to
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do. So, if you're fightingsome kind of a problem in your body,
then it's not going to be anegative. It's going to be a
positive. Now how much of apositive, Well, the body is really
complicated and there are a whole wholeload of layers on top of each other.
And so this is just one aspect, but but this is actually one
quite a quite important aspect which kindof underlies everything else. Because if you
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can get that stability, that foundationof being either on the right path and
the right job or for your body, then the other things that come later
on top, then they're not goingto be quite as impactful as they would
have been if you if you weren'tokay. And this also includes like environmental
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Like in Chinese medicine, there's there'sfive environmental climates really or six of them
is cold and damp, heat anddryness and wind. And this also has
quite an impact on your health.So for example, if you live in
a place with lots of rain,now I'm thinking in the States, I'm
thinking perhaps and that the West coastin the north somewhere like Portland, Seattle
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that is very damp. Then ifif if damp weather, if that dampness
which is actually in your body anyway, if it's something that affects you,
if you if you live there,then it's not a great place for you
to live. If you have lotsof heat which is built up in your
body, and then you live forexample in the South where you know,
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in a desert environment. Then againit's not perfect for your body. So
even even in the climate will havean impact on your body which you may
may you may not even notice.But this is another layer on the many
other layers of of of just justmaximizing your your ability to thrive. So
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how do we get back down tothe basics, clive of finding out what
we are in your system and thenmaking the necessary changes. What is the
first step that we really should take. I know, in your book,
the cornerstone of everything in your bookseems to be predicated on breadth. So
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walking through the theories, well,this is this is a really beautiful idea,
and this is you know, anexample of the beauty that really is
in the Chinese medicine as it wasin ancient China. Unfortunately, in modern
Chinese medicine there's been some some majorchanges, especially after the after the Second
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World War, you know, afterthe unification of China and the changes that
happened in the nineteen fifties and sixties, which meant that Western medicine and Chinese
medicine kind of merged together to createmodern traditional Chinese medicine, which has kind
of changed how we can see thebeauty of Chinese medicine. But if you
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have a look back at the oldtexts, then you realize that what the
ancient Chinese were doing were they werelooking first of all, at the stars
they would call them the heavens,and they were looking at the movements of
the stars and how the stars interactwith the Earth and with our bodies.
Um. And you know it waswe all know how the moon would have
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an effect on our tides and onthe moods, and and so that there
is this definite um. There's adefinite effect of stuff happening outside of our
planet which affect our planets. Sothere was a basic idea of this um.
And the idea really was was thebasic movement of of what's happening with
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the planets and the motions of theuniverse was a very simple expand and contraction,
which is the kind of the basicidea of how everything works. And
so the basic idea of expansion andcontraction pretty much how like how we breathe,
the same idea. So we breathein and then we breathe out,
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and that's the expansion of contraction.But we see this pretty much everywhere.
I mean, everything expands and contracts, for example, or the day expanse
and attracts between the day and thenight. So there's a definitely expansion and
contraction of the breath. The yearis the same thing. So we have
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the months of the year, andit's almost like the whole breath of the
month of the year. So it'sbreathing in until the summer and then breathing
out coming to the winter. Andso you see this kind of motion of
breath on every level of life,everywhere, you know, down to the
every cell in your body does exactlythe same thing. And and so the
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ancient Chinese gave this word and theycalled the contraction was yin and the expansion
was young. And so this wasthe you know, the idea of yin
and young, which is the basicbuilding blocks of how everything moves all around
us. And so it's this expansionand contraction which is one of the universal
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ideas about Chinese medicine, which iskind of really useful to understand how you
kind of bring back bring back thismovement to places where it isn't there.
So for example, if you havea really tight shoulder or a tight neck
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and you touch it and it feelsreally hard. That's an example of the
breath motion of the tissue. That'sthe expansion. A contraction is not probably
working, it's getting stuck because thethe muscle has become tight. And so
the circulation patterns going through that area. They're going through absolutely fine, but
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there's a slight obstruction there. Andthen if this was going to be left
for a long time, there willprobably be more problems. So the idea
really would be to come to thisarea and then restore the breath motion to
the tissue in that area. Andso that's how the basic idea of how
you would change things that need changingusing this beautiful idea of the universe.
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Okay, well have you talked aboutsomething specific, But what about something that's
not so specific, like inflammation thatcan be generalized I guess all over a
body or you know in certain places. How what a person work with something
that's more general throughout their body?Yeah, well, general inflammation would be
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more on the level of light.Well, this heat the basic idea of
heat. So you remember I talkedabout those environments so were cold, damp,
heat, dryness, and wind,and so inflammation is an example of
heat happening in the body and inflammationis something that I used to work with
a great deal. And I hada chronic health clinic in North Africa for
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eleven years and there I would soI specialized in people who had chronic health
conditions that often they were they wereoften given drugs to take for the rest
of their lives and they didn't reallyhave a solution. And so I would
see people who had a fibromyalgia andchronic fatigue syndrome and a loopus and many
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other inflammatory conditions as well with arthritis. And so one of the ways that
I'd look at that in the clinicwould wouldn't really be to think in Western
medicine ideas of inflammation. But theidea is to think about, well,
that's heat. Heat has been accumulatedthere. And the heat would generally come
for a variety of reasons. Oneof them, of course, is an
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obstruction. If you think of somethinggetting stuck, you know, imagine imagine
like a traffic jam on a freewayand lots of cars powered up behind with
their engines on. It's going toget pretty hot. And so he often
comes with obstruction, but it comesfrom other things as well, and so
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the basic idea with that is toremove the cause, or try and remove
Often it's very complicated, but tryand remove the cause of the heat.
And there are certain techniques. Oneof them you mentioned at the beginning of
one of the things that I oftendo, which is called washer, which
is like using a tool to scrapeon the skin and that creates a kind
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of chain reaction in the tissue whichactually helps to remove heat from the body.
And it's a really effective at removingheat. And that was one of
the things I used quite a lotin my clinic in North Africa to treat
to treat people who had quite complicatedinflammation. So it wasn't obvious where it
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came from. It was just kindof all over the place. There are
many many sites of it, soit was possible to approach it from an
angle of just looking. Okay,well, let's try and get to the
cause of it and not go toall the individual places where you might have
the heat. Okay, so youmentioned a tool, is the tall necessary
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or can someone use their fingertips?Yeah, so a tool is a guasa,
A tool is necessary, actually,I mean you can do fingertips is
fine for there's a certain technique thatyou can use for your face, which
is improved circulation patterns to your face. But what we're being interested in,
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there's a certain action with a tooland the friction that a tool creates in
the tissue as you move the toolover your skin, and that action of
friction creates a change in the capillarysystem, the capillary bed, and this
is the this is the main actionthat's going to help to remove the heat.
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If you didn't have that, soit wouldn't be the same as like
if you if you massage or ifyou pushed it with your fingers, it
wouldn't be the same thing in regardsto inflammation. It's it's a it's a
very different and interesting technique. Okay, Now, in your book, you
have numerous numerous outlines of how towork with different parts of your body in
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order to facilitate healing. Why don'tyou pick two and tell us about them.
Okay, well, let's think.Well, let's let's pick something that
people might have. So an obviousone will be headaches. So in the
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book, I took about forty threedifferent ailments and medical conditions. So your
headache is a good one because headaches. People often think the headaches are in
the head, you know, andof course the symptoms you're feeling them in
the head. But most of thetime, the problem with the headache is
something's gone wrong somewhere else in yourbody and it's heading upwards, and that's
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why you're feeling the symptoms which arein your head. And there are certain
clues about headache that kind of tellyou a little bit about where it's where
where the problem might be, andI detail some of this in the book.
You know, So if you geta headache which is to the side
of your head, lots of peoplewho've got headaches, the kind of the
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temple area, which is like especiallymaybe above the eye on one side of
the head. And if you kindof understand a little bit about the river
system, this is the system ofcirculation in the body, then then you
would you could follow something called thegallbladder river, which he actually starts next
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to your eye and it's and it'sjust referring to the circulation patterns of the
blood vessel system in the body,and it goes right over the side of
your head, exactly where people haveheadaches. And so that's that's pretty much
a no rainer often for well,where does that headache come from? And
it's like, well, okay,we're going to follow the gallbladder river down,
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and maybe the problem is in thegallbladder river somewhere down the side of
your body, or perhaps there's somethingelse which is like affecting the goldbladder river
from somewhere else. I mean.Another one would be maybe the back of
your head. Well, again you'dlook at the river system and then you
say, oh, okay, wellthat's the bladder that goes over the back
of the head. It goes downthe back of the whole of your back
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right down to your little toe.And so you can kind of use the
knowledge of the circulation system in thebody to kind of understand where things are
coming from, and then that reallyhelps you in order to relieve, you
know, really relieve the problem,because you know, I could just say,
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okay, this is the headache point. Push this point, which you
know, if you look on Instagramor Facebook, there's plenty of those posts.
But that's not really Chinese medicine.That's that's kind of Western medicine,
the idea that there's one point topush and it's going to fix it.
Because everyone's headache is pretty much unique. It's coming from their body, and
their body is unique, and it'screated as a certain a certain pattern within
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their body to create this headache.Now there's going to be perhaps part of
another pattern which is fairly common,but again it will be quite unique,
and so you really need to approachsomething, whatever it might be. In
this case, it's a headache,looking for the reason and then treating the
reason, which will really help youknow the actual symptoms itself underlying cause.
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So I talk to us about foodtherapy because I think that in this day
and age, and you know,we know processed food isn't good for us,
and you know all of these negativesaround food that you know, food
manufacturers put out, but sometimes becauseof lifestyle or choosing not to take the
time, we don't do the rightthing. So to us about food therapy
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and how that can help us.Well, yes, well food. Food
is a big thing, of course, because certainly, certainly in Chinese medicine,
that the stomach and the pancreas,which is the two main organs which
are dealing with digestion. They callthem the oceans and the seas, and
so that that's the most important massivearea of the body. And if that
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goes wrong, then everything goes wrong. So whatever it goes into your digestion
is pretty important. And you know, it's really difficult when you go to
a supermarket. And I was inthe States for twice in the past year,
and I've been in the supermarket andgone around and and I'm thinking,
of my goodness. I mean,it's difficult to find something to eat in
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a standard supermarket that isn't full ofchemicals and processed products. It's it's a
little bit like that here, butit wasn't quite to the extent I was
quite shocking. In the States.It seemed to me a lot more,
a lot worse. And so theimportant thing really about food is I think
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it's important to like step back alittle bit with food and and and just
look at the principles of food,because people can get kind of bogged down
into particular foods that you can't havethis, you can't have that, And
as long as the food is isn'tthere are certain principles so not processed,
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you know, organic, you know, as fresh as possible. So if
you can get to those, youknow, states of like getting fresh food,
which hasn't been interfered with, andthen you know, you can go
into a lot of detail in Chinesemedicine because that they worked out a long
time ago that when you actually eatfood, when it hits your stomach,
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it creates a temperature inside your body, and so that temperature can kind of
change things in your body. Soyou know, you might have some food
which creates a cold feeling in yourstomach, you might have food that creates
are heating feeling, and there'll bevarious combinations of those, and so eat.
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It depends on your body as towhich of these you need more or
less off. So you can't justfor example, salad is a very good
example. So lots of people thinksalads are healthy foods, but they're not
necessarily because it depends on when you'reeating the salad and if your body needs
that coldness coming into the stomach.So for example, when to have it,
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I mean, it's probably not agood idea to have salad if you
you're generally a cold person and it'sin winter, you know, because that's
not what you need. You needlike hot soup, you know, a
simple example like that. Um Andcertainly with foods, how you cook It
is another example of it slightly changesthe nature of the foods. So you've
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got this whole idea you can introducetemperature in the body according to what foods
you eat. But essentially, butthe most important thing for me really is
there are some foods which are kindof food for the soul. And if
you just tell someone you just can'thave these foods. But maybe there are
a food that they're just like,there's something special about that food, so
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when they have it, it's justlike something happens in the body. And
so for me, there are certainfood types that you know you should have
them, you know, but butyou should lancet with sensible choices according to
your body and how your body,what your body needs, and how your
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body can really develop. And it'sthis whole idea of the whole idea of
thriving, and if you can getthe right diet for your body, then
your body will thrive. And ofcourse, the kind of food that you
might buy in a standard supermarket anywhere, generally most of it is not fit
for human consumption because it's just allthe goodness has been taken out of it.
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But if you can kind of avoidthat stuff, and come to the
freshest food you can find and thenmake these sensible choices about temperature. There's
also the taste of food, sothere's the saltiness or the pungency and various
other types. And she can goquite deep with food. And I introduce
this in the book. And soif you kind of know the kind of
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foods that will be good for yourbody, then they're the ones to increase,
and the foods that are not sogood for your body, they're the
ones to decrease and kind of makinga sensible choice. And the key I
think probably the most important thing isabout knowledge. And then with knowledge you
can kind of make a sensible decisionand not just go from hunches or someone
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says on the social network. Youknow, with proper knowledge, then then
then you know, change can happen. Yes I can. And to the
positive. Now, well, ifit's at your website with them dot com,
let's c L I V E WI T h ama dot com.
What are we going to find there? Oh, you're going to find some
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details about pretty much a lot oftalking about washer because this is one of
the things I go around and Itash I do live classes in different in
the States and in Europe, andso I teach that particularly facial washer and
I also do online classes which againfocused on rusher and there'll be information about
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I have a podcast which has gotloads of information and a whole bunch of
videos, and you know, Itry and be as as informative as possible
because one of the things, soone of the main techniques included in this
book is guasha and I try tobe as informative as possible with that technique
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because it's one of the most interestingtechniques from Chinese medicine because it didn't come
from the same places as the otherthings you might be for more familiar with,
like acupuncture and Chinese herbs. Itvery much came from the village level,
so it came from the you know, not normally acupuncture and Chinese medicine
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came through the root of the kindof the upper classes and the ruling classes,
and wasasha was coming via basically poorpeople through the villages as as a
kind of self care technique which ispassed down from generation to generation to generation.
And it was actually used to fightwhat was called plague at the time,
which is probably cholera, typhoid andit was kind of it was using
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any tool that they could find,with any any kind of lubricant they could
find, and so there was akind of a kind of it was almost
like it was from the people,and so it's not something that should be
taken and then commoditized. And sothis is why I liked it so much,
and so this is one of them. Now have a project that that's
in Sri Lanka, which I tryand try and emphasize this whole idea of
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kind of bringing back to the simpleidea of treating with knowledge without the economic
incentives of like of modern medicine,and to try and make an impact on
the world scale. So that's thekind of thing that I'm doing. And
you'll find more information in my website. Okay, and folk see also,
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don't you have some trainees coming rightup? I do? Yeah. Yeah.
So I'm heading to I'm heading toPoland and then I'm going to take
break for the summer. I'm headingto Sri Lanka, but then I'm coming
to the States. I'm coming toI'm coming to Fort Lauderdale and then I'll
flying to San Francisco and then NewYork. But then I'm coming back to
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Europe, to Barcelona and then Zurich. So I'll be jumping all around the
world giving some light classes. Andthis is where the thing that I teach
is about nature based Chinese medicine.So I'll be talking about rivers and trees
and mountains and what that really meansinside your body. I love talking about
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it. I can tell why don'tyou share with us the well, whatever
you want to share about the facialthe facial uplift that you are sure are
doing. Yeah, So the facialso basically called facial quasha, and really
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I started teaching it. I've beendoing it for many, many years.
And I started teaching it because Irealized that so many people were doing it,
but they didn't kind of have anunderstanding about what it was. So
I then started teaching it and showingpeople, well, this is what it
really is, and that it's notactually the kind of beauty modern beauty technique
you think it is. It's notbased on like taking away wrinkles or the
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aging features on your face specifically.It's actually about bringing the inner beauty that's
inside everyone, much like a flowerthat blooms every year. And so the
idea is to bring out that flowerwhich is within you and let it shine
on your face. And then whenthat happens, then a lot of these
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features that lots of people concentrate on, they're less impactful, and people would
see the flow, which is thekind of your potential, and they don't
see anything else, including you.You see yourself as totally differently. And
so this is the kind of myapproach to facehoo quassia and also to beauty,
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which I know is rather different fromeveryone else's. Yeah, but it's
you know, to me, it'slike bringing your own beauty home and letting
your own beauty shine, and you'renot in competition with two members on whatever
magazine cover to look a certain wayexactly exactly. That's what it's all about.
Yeah, well, I really appreciateyou when writing this book, folks.
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In the book, there are numerous, numerous examples of what you can
heal. There are a lot ofdiagrams. Right now I'm looking at treating
the microsystems, the zones in yourhand. It's very intriguing, chock full
of information. And what I foundabout it is that it's very easy to
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understand and easy to implement if youtake the time um cold, we're almost
out of time. Please give usa words of wisdom regarding okay, words
of wisdom, Okay, um yeah. I think my approach basically is it's
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basically to take control back with yourhealth and not let you know, people
tell you about what you should shouldbe shouldn't be doing about your own body,
which you know really well. Andbasically one of the aims of the
things I do is to give youthe tools so you can kind of take
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back control. I like that,tools so you can take back control,
so it's never doing right, nevertoo late. Okay, Well, thank
you so much for being with metoday. I greatly appreciate it and know
the audience does too, and everyoneassociation. Thank you. Please remember that
the most iportant choice that you canmake is what you choose to make important.
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Consider making the masterful choice of discoveringself healing with Chinese medicine. Above
the blessings, light and love toall Agome