Jack The Ripper Part 1

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This week, Niamh gives us the first half of a two part series about Jack The Ripper, just in time for spooky szn!

Episode Transcript

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Welcome back to give us mark.Hi'm Megan, and it is Saturday,
Saturday, Saturdayay, Saturday. That'snice Saturdayay. Yeah, and you might
be getting this episode. Hopefully you'llbe getting it on Sunday still, but
if not, tough titties, becauseI am a little bit drunk and I'm

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planning a hangover tomorrow because it wasmine of my partner's seven year anniversary and
we went out for dinner, Sosuck on that. And I'm just drinking
wine because as you should, asyou should, sort of a bitch.
There's a fly in my wine.Yo. It was just so tasty,
he said, I want some ofthat, Give me some of that.
Come here, you little asshole.I love the way how it's like a

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thing that whenever a fly gets intoyour wine, you just pick it out
and like that. That's the thing. Like I've seen that before. I've
seen that before. We're not wastingthe wine. No, not because one
fly took a nose dive for you, joking, why wouldn't he? So
you guys, we got a funlittle episode for you, a fun tippit.

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We recorded some of it and thenour internet went down and we couldn't
finish it. So here we areagain. Yeah, welcome to the second
iteration of this episode. So Megan'slike, great, can't wait to hear
this again. You know it wasit was It was a week so maybe

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I don't remember it. Maybe thisis my first time I'm actually gonna digest
it, so we'll never know.So today's episode is, in my personal
I feel like it's somewhat HALLOWEENI becauseit almost doesn't feel like a real case
because it happened so long ago.Yeah, there's like so much intrigue and

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mysterious and so many drama cetaceans ofit as well. Yeah, it's Jack
the Ripper. I'm just gonna giveyou a little backstory of the area just
to like paint the scene, painta picture for everybody. So Whitechapel is
in the East end of London andit's during the late eighteen hundreds that all

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the crimes happen. It's considered avery rough and impoverished area, like it's
a nice area to live in.It was known for its crimes for violence,
along with an extremely high drinking rate. The area was overcrowded with Irish
immigrants who were fleeing the Irish famine. Oh my god, I wonder why

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the drinking rate was so high,us two Irish ladies drinking our wife.
It was also overcrowded with Jewish immigrantshere fleeing from Russia's anti Semitic program.
Whitechapel had substandard housing, like atbest standard housing. Yeah, there was

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a massive homelessness problem along with persanitation. Thinking balls and attacks were really
common on the streets, and therewas even some areas that police would refuse
to patrol on their own, Likethere was certain streets that like police were
like I'm not going down there.Kind of get that in a way.
But it's like also, you're youare the law, brother, it is

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your job. But okay. Yeah. Prostitution was the most common job for
women. There were common lodging houses, which was basically just a cheap bed
for the night where you paid likeX amount of money just literally for the
bed at night, and then likethe next morning you had to get up
and you had to leave, andit wasn't like you could rent it like

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continuously, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, you were not
guaranteed that the same lodging house wouldtake you back the next night, Like
It was very watch first come,first serve, Like if you got to
stay in the same lodging house forlike say a month, and then like
you you get to know the owner, and then like one night you just

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you're really short on money, youdon't have the full payment. They don't
give us a because they're like,I'm sorry, someone else gonna pay it,
so off you go. People wouldhave to join workhouses for a work
for work and bed, but thiswas very very much seen as a last
resort, Like you did not wantto enter the workhouse on like, if

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you're entering the workhouse, you reallycheerly have no other option. Cut man
life into pieces. This is myworkhouse chores. Like women were choosing sex
work over workhouses because that's how badit was. The like conditions, Like,

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however bad the area was, theworkhouse conditions they must have been.
They must have been bad. Ifif women are choosing the sex workover women
are like, I'll just take mychances on the streets. Yeah, you
know, it's not good. MaryAnne Nichols was born in August twenty sixth,

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eighteen forty five, in London.She eventually got the nickname Polly and
that's what she went by, andthat's what she was known as until the
day she died. When she wasnineteen years of age, she married a
man named William Nichols. The couplewould have five children together and they were
doing pretty well for themselves. Theymanaged to get themselves an apartment in the

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Peabody Building, which was this newlybuilt apartment block that was only for the
working class with high morals. Yes, the Peabody Building. Like the people
who ran the Peabody Buildings, theywere very selective about who could live there.

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And you once you got in,you had to maintain a high moral
standard of living. And like somepeople ended up being evicted for like having
affairs and stuff like imagine your landlordis like very I just don't agree with

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your morals of having men o fairlate at nights to God. Yeah yeah,
well previously didn't agree with me havinga cat, and you know how
that turned out. I got acat. You're out married. I'm so
sorry, you're gonna have to leaveor get married. So a widow moved

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next door to Polly and William alongwith her with her daughter Rosetta. Rosetta
was hired by Polly as nanny forlike as a helper nanny. She was
hired for like as nanny and thenalso like for kind of like help her
in the house and stuff fad kids, you know. Also, it's believed

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that like, Polly was kind ofstarting to drink a little at this point,
so it didn't take long for rumorsto circulate that Rosetta and William were
having an affair. Was William Thisis when Polly's drinking got very heavy,
and this led to a lot offights between her and William. Polly went

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to stay with her family for alittle bit every now and again when like,
the fighting would get really really bad. Mostly she stayed with her father,
but she would sometimes stay with herbrother. It's a little bit unclear
why brought At some point Polly stoppedstaying with both her brother and her father.

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It's believed she wouldn't stay with herfather because her drinking was really bad
and her dad just couldn't really copewith it. So that's when Polly entered
Lambeth Workhouse. Polline was pregnant withher fifth child by William, obviously,

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and she feared that if she wasto stay in the workhouse and give birth
there, that she would be separatedfrom her child, because that was a
common thing. Like as soon asyou gave birth, you got like maybe
a day or two days to likeyou know, heal and stuff, and
then your baby was like placed inlike care and you like had to get

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back to work to basically pay thedebt of the workhouse birthing your child.
Yeah, So she decided that theprobably the best thing to do was to
just go back to William. Soshe did, and she gave birth.
You know, everything was fine,except for the fact that she was still
drinking very heavily and the fighting Williamwas like worse than ever. So Polly

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decided that she was going to packup all of her belongings and she left
William and her kids and headed backto Lambeth workhouse. Soon after this,
William and Rosetta left the Peabody buildingsand began a life together. They never
actually got married, but I thinkthey did end up having a child of
their own, and Rosetta just essentiallylike they did eventually get married, but

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not for years, Like they didn'tget married straight away, if you know
what I mean. But I thinkRosetta went by Nichols like Rosetta Nichols and
answered to missus Nichols, William needsa fucking game, a Jenga or something.
He needs distraction, and Rosetta raisedPolly and William's five children. So

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that's, you know, not great. It wasn't long before Polly left the
workhouse just on the conditions there,and she began working as a prostitute on
the streets. On August thirty first, eighteen eighty eight, Polly was found
by Charles Cross at three forty am. Charles was on his way to work

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when he saw Polly lying on herback on the ground beside a locked gate.
Her skirt was pulled up by herwaist. Charles called over another man,
Robert Paul, and pointed Polly outone He was more so like do
you think that woman's dead or like? It wasn't like a like a roach

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like it was. It was like, are you seeing what I'm seeing?
So the two men went over toinspect Polly to check that she was still
alive. Polly's thinks was still warm, but her hands were cold. Robert
pulled down Polly's skirt to try andgive her some dignity, and then the
two went and found a police officer. They told the police officer about the

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woman that was either unconscious or dead, told him where to find her,
all that jazz, and then theyjust went on about their day because they
were like, we got to getto work. The officer went to go
check on Polly and there was alreadyanother officer there. So between the two
men going to find an officer,another officer had come along and had just
found her. Right, so hesent like he sent somebody to go get

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the to go get the corner.The corner arrived on the scene at around
four am and he found that andwhat said, last time I feel like
that, TikTok said, where it'slike her arms were cut off, her
feet were cut off, her legswere cut off, her tongue was cut
off. Yeah, yeah, it'sjugged a whipper. Don't hold back,

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and we would found that Polly's throathad been cut from ear to ear and
was so deep that she was almostdecapitated. He noted that because she wasn't
fully cold, that Polly was onlydead. Approximately thirty minutes, Polly's abdomen
was sliced open, exposing her intestines. She had been stabbed twice in her

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vagina and I believe as well.I am her intestines were like spilled out.
I am uncomfortable at mister Ronas.William was the one that was requested
to identify her body because they werestill technically married, so he had to.

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She wasn't fun. I can't imagine. When William saw Polly's body,
he said, quote, I forgiveyou as you were for what you've been
to me. Oh, I'm sureit's all she wanted in death, was
your forgiveness, William. We fuckingasshole. William and Rosetta got married a
few years after Polly's murder. I'mWilliam was a suspect for a little while,

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but not for too long. Theysoon were kind of like, no,
wasn't you. During the investigation,Polly was painted as a no good
tramp who was nothing more than adirty prostitute by police and newspapers. That's
intense. Witnesses told police about aman that they had nicknamed leather Apron,

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John or Jack Peiser. They weren'tshirt like, they were like, we're
not sure of his name. It'seither John, it's either Jack. He
worked as a boot finisher in thearea of Whitechapel and he always wore this
leather apron. He would use sexworkers and then he would threaten and beat
them up, like just for funzies. Really, oh fantastic, brilliant,

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Yeah, what a guy. Hewas described in the newspapers as a quote
more ghoulish or devilish brute than canbe found in all the pages of shocking
fiction. But imagine it's not him, and they're just fucking dragging his ass
in the newspapers. Yes, Ilove it. He fled Whitechapel when he

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found out that he was being like, he was being investigated, and when
he was a suspect, he waslike, I I get the fuck out
of here. That doesn't scream innocentto me. No, you're not helping
yourself. Let that. Yeah,calm down. Annie Chapman was born September
twenty fifth, eighteen forty. Herfather was a soldier in the second Regiment

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of Lifeguards. Annie was the oldestof five children. Her family moved around
a lot due to her due toher father's job, as he was stationed
all over London, like he workedfor the Royals and he would just be
placed anywhere that he was needed,and so for that reason, the family
had to go with him all thetime. There was a lot of benefits

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to his job. It's also believedthat he got Annie's mother pregnant before they
were married, and so then theregiment were like, no, you don't
have to marry her now because workthrough the royal So my good luck.
Yeah. Both Annie's parents were heavydrinkers, despite doing very well for themselves.
According to Annie's brother, she wasquite young when she first started to

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drink and she had a strong likingfor rum. Same Annie was quite rebellious
and she didn't want to conform withsociety. She was not like the other
girls. She did eventually get ajob as a domestic maid. On June
thirteenth, eighteen sixty three, Annie'sfather committed suicide. He had retired from

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the regiment and was doing other work, like within the army. He was
still doing work, but it wasn'twhat he had been doing, and I
think he really struggled with that andthat essentially led to depression, which in
the eighteen hundreds, what's still depressionthen, Yeah, So unfortunately it led
to him committing suicide. This meantthat the family lost all of their privileges

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that his job had given them overthe years. That's sad. It is
sad. Soon after this, Anniewas seeing a man, John Chapman,
and the couple were infatuated with oneanother. John asked Annie to marry him
on May first, eighteen sixty nine, and the pair wed on June twenty
fifth, eighteen seventy, and thecouple welcomed their first child, and by

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November eighteen eighty the couple had twodaughters and one son. Annie had many
still births and miscarriages over the years, and this led to her drinking a
lot to try and obviously cope withthe trauma that she was dealing with.
She ended up getting John fired fromhis job. Yeah, she was caught

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stealing from his boss. Allegedly.There is no like one on this.
I believe it's all alleged. Buthe did lose his jobs, so right
row yeah m hm. Annie's drinkinggot so bad that John asked her to
go join a program for seeking helpwith it. It wasn't like what we

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have nowadays, which is AA youknow, and it's very much like how
can we help you stop drinking?It's very it. Back then, it
was very much like devils in youyou who in your blood, so you
know, not helpful really. WhileAnnie was in the program, John got

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John got a new job and thefamily had to move into apartment over some
stables, which was where he wasworking. Annie then returned home to this
new apartment for John's new job,and she soon felt pregnant. I think
it's believed that his bosses like.So they moved into a like really small

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apartment over over the stables where Johnworked, and then like the house that
the like bosses was like a fewyou know, was up the yard or
whatever. They didn't like any Theywere like, m m mmmm, goodfriend's
not it? Oh god? Yeah. Annie was drinking heavily again, and

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things got bad, like they gotso bad that John felt like he had
no other option but to kick herout. Annie's son was born with a
disability and he had to be placedin hospital, and Annie's drinking got way,
way worse and so much worse thatJohn told her that he had had
enough and that she wasn't welcome intheir home anymore. Fair enough when there's

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a kid involved. Well, yeah, so Annie found herself in Whitechapel selling
crochet designs for money for lodging houses. This wasn't really making Annie enough money
because it like it's whatever everyone wasselling during the daytime, Like everyone was
selling like whatever skills or crafts thatthey had, that's what they sold.

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So and like there's a fucking homelessnessproblem, so that's what everyone's selling.
Yea. Yeah, So she soonturned to sex work, and she would
also stay with men in order forthem to pay for her bed for the
night. She started seeing a man, Ted Stanley, who people had nicknamed

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the pensioner because he was quite abit older than her. I believe she
was receiving a weekly allowance from John, but it was all being spent on
drink. Annie then got news thatJohn had died on December twenty fifth,
eighteen eighty six, from liver crosison a Christmas Day. Yeah, he

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died from a disease which would havebeen from excessive heavy drinking. He kicked
her out for excessive heavy drinking,and he died from disease that was from
excess Like, dude, really,I'm sorry you died, noll but gee.
People claimed that Annie lost her sparkafter learning of John's death. She
became really reliant on sex work tosurvive. During this time, because like

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she was budding a weekly allowance fromhim, and when he died that stopped,
Like there was not being supplemented anymore. Yes, so she like really
struggled. She was staying at alodging house in Dorset Street, which is
not a good area during this time, and she was given the nickname dirk
Annie because she became dirk and violentwhen she drank. Ted was still seeing

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Annie and he would often pay forher room at the lodging house. However,
he told the owner of the lodginghouse that he was to watch Annie
and if she ever brought another manback to the room, that she was
to be kicked out. Oh oh, yes, he was seeing another woman.
Yeah, good men of eighteen hundreds. Then in August eighteen eighty eight,

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Annie met her brother. He wasunaware of Annie's situation and she downplayed
how bad things were. He hada drink with her and he gave her
some money and that was the lasttime he ever saw his sister. A
few days before her murder, Anniegot into a fight with with Ted's or
a woman, Eliza Cooper. It'sreported that Annie had used soap that belonged

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to Eliza, and she wanted toshe wanted Danny to give the soap back,
and or I'm not really sure,like the details on the fight are
a little bit fuzzy, but somethingout the lines of she used Eliza's soap.
Eliza was pissed and was like,don't nice help even no ready to

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use it and use another lady's soap. You don't use another lady's soap.
And Annie threw a halfpenny at herand was like, here, fine,
they go, you bitch. Ohshe got petty about it. Yeah,
and things got physical, resulting inlike black eyes and bruises and all sorts.

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Annie bumped into a friend on Septemberseventh, eighteen eighty eight, and
she later told place that Annie wasin a bad way, like she looked
rough, she didn't look good,she didn't look healthy, like girl Pop
was not doing so hot. OnSeptember eighth, eighteen eighty eight, Annie
didn't have any money for a lodginghouse. She asked the owner if she

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could sit in the kitchen despite notbeing able to stay for the night,
and the owner agreed. Several peoplecommented on how terrible she had looked.
One man helped her as a boxof her pills had broken and he like
they flew everywhere. He helped herpick them up and he put them in
an envelope for her so that likeshe wouldn't lose them. It was nice.

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It was nice. Around two am, the owner told Annie that she
had to leave because she'd no moneyfor a bed, so she couldn't stay.
And I think she was like,I'll be beck, don't you worry,
Like I'm gonna get my money frommy bed, the bitch. At

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about five thirty am, Annie wasseen talking to a man beside a house
on Hanbury Street, presumed presumably forsex work. The man looked like a
foreigner and he was wearing a deerstalker hat, which is like the Sherlock
Holmes hat, and he looked tobe about forty years old. The witness
heard a witness sorry, a witnessheired. The man asked Annie, will

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you and Annie replied yes And fivethirty am, a man who lived at
twenty seven Hanbury Street heard panic comingfrom outside, but he ignored it.
A few minutes minutes later, heheard something put against the fence that divided
his house or his apartment to theapartment of twenty nine Hanbury Street. He

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also hated someone's shout No, howeverhe didn't investigate. Ah, it's eighteen
hundreds of it all. I probablywouldn't have investigated either. Yeah, do
you know? It was very commonto hear like shoutings and commotions and stuff.
Then at about six am, theowner of twenty nine Hanbury Street discovered

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the body of Annie Chapman. Annie'sthroat had been cut so deep that the
coroner assumed it wasn't an attempt toremove her head. Annie wasn't okay,
He was not okay. She alsohad several injuries to her abdomen in a
similar way to Polly. Annie's pillswere found on the ground beside her body.

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Her wedding ring was forcibly removed fromher finger. The pocket of her
skirt was cut open and the contentswere scattered all over the ground. Police
then found a bloodied leather apron thatwas in a boocket close to Annie's body.
Annie's face and tongue were swollen,which led the coroner to believe that
the murderer tried to suffocate Annie beforeattempting to remove her head. Annie had

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been disembowled and some of her intestinesand stomach had been removed and placed over
her right shoulder. The murderer alsoremoved part of her uterus and bladder.
The coroner believed that the murderer wassomeone with anatomical knowledge, as the uterus
was cut out with one single incision, which is not an easy thing to

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do if you do not have theknowledge on how to do it. The
coroner discovered that Annie was dying froma lung disease and that she actually would
have been dead in a few months. Oh my god, mm hmm.
The residents of Hanbury Street began chargingfor people to look out their windows into
the garden of twenty nine Hanbury Streetto see the crime scene. Lovely,

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you know what, we still havethat morbid curiosity. Annie was buried in
a public cemetery, which meant thatover the years, other people would have
been buried on top of her.In two thousand and eight, the cemetery
put up a plaque up near whereshe was buried, which read quote,
this plaque is dedicated to the memoryof Annie Chapman died September eighth, eighteen
eighty eight, a victim of thefamous Jack the Ripper. Her remains are

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buried within this area. Okay,so loving. On September tenth, eighteen
eighty eight, police found an arrestedleather Apron. His name was John Pyser,
the owner of a lodging house thatAnnie Chapman had been staying and told

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police that he kicked John out ofthe lodging house on several occasions for attacking
and threatening most of the women there. He was also known for wearing a
deer stalker hat. When police searchedhis home, they did find he owned
five sharp knives. However, hewas a boot finisher, so he would

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have needed those knives. It wasn'tlike he just was a weird knive collector.
Sorry. When he was arrested andbrought in for questioning, the public
went wild with the news that Jackthe Ripper had been caught. There was
a broadsheet which was center in Whitechapelarea which read quote, they captured leather
Apron. Now, if guilty,you'll agree he'll have to meet a murderer's

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doom and hang upon a tree.They really took the time to come up
with a fucking rhyme for that.Yeah. When John was questioned and he
was asked like why have you fledthe scene? Like you know, you
knew we were looking for you,but you disappeared. He basically was like,
because I knew my name would betarnished and I would be like ridiculed

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and torn apart by the public andby the media, just like I am
being right now. He was clearedand he was released from custody as he
wasn't even in Whitechapel at the timeof Annie Chapman's death. Well, I'll
do the trick and I believed,I believe he had an alibi for Polly

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Nichols's death as well. So we'rejust gonna take a quick at break and
when you're back in the room.Elizabeth Stride was born November twenty seventh,
eighteen forty three, in Sarah inStarah, Tomlin Head, Sweden. She

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was the second child of four children. Her parents were Gustaf Erickson and Beta
Carl's daughter. They grew up ona firm which they you know, they
firmed mostly vegetables. I believe niceeveryone was expected to help out, even

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from a young age. When Elizabethwas seventeen years old, she moved to
start a new life in Gothenburg.Elizabeth got work as a domestic servant for
Lara's Olaf's son and his wife.She worked there for a few years and
she was very well looked after byher employees. When out of nowhere,

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she just up and left the job. She moved into a room in a
lodging type house on a street thatwas known as dangerous. Then in eighteen
sixty four, Elizabeth's mother died atthe age of fifty four from a respiratory
illness. I wonder what pushed herto move away from like a good kind
of job. Yeah, it's notlike, it's very like she just up

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and left, do you know whatI mean? Like, it was very
like what the fuck? Elizabeth wasstruggling with work, and she had no
other option but to become a sexworker. In Sweden during this time,
you could legally register as a sexworker in order for you to you know,
go out and solicit sex safely.And also it meant that you had

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to go and see a doctor everyfew weeks for checkups to make sure that
you're healthy and to make sure thatyou're not like spreading diseases and stuff around.
However, it meant that she wasn'tallowed stout work until eleven PM.
During this time, Elizabeth had givenbirth to a stillborn baby. It's unknown
who the father was and not muchdetail is known other than at some point

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she had a still birth. Then, in November eighteen sixty five, Elizabeth
was removed from the Registry of SexWorkers as she got a job as a
domestic servant. She wasn't there longwhen her employer informed her that they were
expecting a baby. It didn't takelong for Elizabeth to lose this job,

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and it's believed it's because that shecouldn't handle watching her employer be pregnant after
losing her own child. She thenlearned that she had inherited a bit of
money from her mother's death, andshe decided it was time for another new
start. In eighteen sixty six,Elizabeth moved to London and began working as

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a domestic servant in the West End. However, that job didn't last long
and again soon she just up andleft. Elizabeth began going to a church
in a well known Swedish parish justto be close to people that she felt
like she would understand and who wouldunderstand her. She was staying in lodging

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houses and was working as a lodginghousekeeper. She was washing bed linen,
keeping the place clean. She wasI believe, helping in the kitchen nice
and this was This was in exchangefor a bed and a small wage,
mostly for her bed. Yeah,Elizabeth Metha met a carpenter, John Thomas

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Droyde, and the pair soon gotmarried March seventh, eighteen sixty nine.
They moved into a lodging house together. The couple opened up their own cafe.
John was still working as a carpenterand Elizabeth was to run the cafe
whilst he was at work. Thatdidn't go so well, so soon they

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closed that cafe down and opened upanother cafe, like down near some docks.
I believe Elizabeth started drinking a lot, and it's believed that when she
was supposed to be working and managingtheir coffee shop, she was actually out
drinking. Oh now'll do it,now'll do it. So shockingly, they

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were unsuccessful and they ended up sellingthe coffee shop in eighteen seventy seven.
And there is a record that showsElizabeth being entered into a workhouse. This
suggests that she was arrested for something. Because back then, if you were
like instead, if you were arrestedfor like a minor crime, for like

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something like drunken disorderly, instead ofsending you to prison or you know,
instead of like you just went intoa workhouse and you had to work X
amount of hours before like you wouldbe released. In eighteen seventy eight,
Elizabeth tried to pull a scam.She claimed that her husband Thomas, had

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died in a horrific ship accident.So two ships on the River Thams collided
with one another and resulted in oneof the boats sinking. Hundreds of people
died during this and a collection wasput together to raise money for the surviving
family members. Okay, Elizabeth claimedthat she and her family had been on

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board, and that her husband andtwo of her nine children had died on
board the fuck. She was alsomissing two teeth, and she claimed that
while she was trying to get offthe boat, someone had accidentally kicked her
in the face while panicking trying tosave themselves. Elizabeth's husband was still alive,

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and not only did the couple nothave nine children, they in fact
had no children. She's brave tellingthese stories when her husband is literally there
to be like, no, thatdidn't happen. She went on to tell
these stories like for years. Ohshe like she got caught, like she
was caught out in the lie.But she would still like if anyone asked

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her, like, oh, whathappened to your tea, she'd be like,
oh, someone knocked them out whileI was on that boat. Oh
we all know people like that too. It's like shut up, Oh my
god, no, no, youdidn't love no mitten. Elizabeth was a
good sewer and was trying to makesome money this way, but she wasn't

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very successful. John and her hadmoved into a smaller lodging house as the
couple were really struggling with money.By Christmas eighteen eighty one, Elizabeth left
John and was admitted to Whitechapel WorkhouseInfirmary for a bunch iis and exhaustion.
After a few days of recovery,she had to then begin working in the

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workhouse to work off her death forthe hospital's day. In eighteen eighty four,
John suddenly passed away. Elizabeth wasnow back as a sex worker as
means to survive, and she wasarrested a few times for this and had
several and had served some time indifferent workhouses as different punishments for different things

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that she was arrested for, drunkand disorderly, sex work, eliciting sex,
all those, all those. Elizabethhad started seeing a man, Michael
Kidney, and they would start sorryand they would stay at different lodging houses
together. The pair would break upa lot, and Michael eventually became very

(36:20):
abusive towards Elizabeth. She even filedassault child of assault charges at some stage
against him during the relationship. Okay, yes, she was drinking more than
ever and had been brought in frontof a judge eight times for drink and
disorderly in eighteen eighty seven alone.Okay, all right, yep, yeah,

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so those are the times she gotcaught. Yeah. Then in September
eighteen eighty eight, Elizabeth was introducedto a woman who ran a lodging house.
The woman had a lot of sympathyfor elizabethsit for Elizabeth's situation, and
offered her work in the lodging housein exchange for little pay and a bed.

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The two women got on very welltogether, and on September twenty eighth,
eighteen eighty eight, the pair wentout for a drink together. Then
Elizabeth went back to the house toprepare for a night of working the streets.
She was seen with several men.That night, she was seen with
one man that witnesses described as clerky. Right. He was heard telling Elizabeth

(37:30):
quote, you would say anything butyour prayers. The pair had been seen
near a shop looking quite happy.Then, at about twelve thirty am,
a policeman saw Elizabeth with a manin dark clothing and a deer stocking cat.
He was also carrying something wrapped upin almost like a small package.

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Another witness saw Elizabeth with the sameman, but overheard her tell him,
no, not tonight, some othernight, okay. Then around one am
on September thirtieth, eighteen eighty eight, Elizabeth's body was found by buy Deems
Huts in a yard beside a club. He was coming in on I think

(38:17):
a horse, and Courtney like sawsomething on the road and he tried to
pick it up because he like thoughtit was like a pile of like he
didn't know what I He was justlike, the fuck's this in the middle
of the road. So we liketried to lift it up to move it,
and it was in fact Elizabeth's body, right. He ran and he
ran and he got some help atthe club because he was like, there

(38:38):
was a fucking dead body in themiddle of the road. Someone come help
me please. Elizabeth died from bloodblood loss from a sharp incision across her
neck. She hadn't been mutilated likethe last two victims, and Pills believed
that this is because he was interrupted. Yeah, the labor of her ear
had been torn and this was fromthe removal. This was from the removal

(39:02):
of earrings. No thank you.The coroner believed that Elizabeth was pulled to
the ground and then her throat wascut left or right, which indicated that
the killer was right handed. Awitness came forward after the news of Elizabeth's
death book. He said that he'dseen he had seen Elizabeth being attacked at
around twelve forty five am. Hesaw a man with dark hair and a

(39:28):
mustache pull Elizabeth to the ground.The man was about five foot five.
He noticed he noticed that there wassomebody watching them, and he shouted Lipski,
Adam, what does that mean.Lipsky was a Jewish man who had
been convicted of murder right a coupleof years before. And the witness is

(39:52):
like he was either shouting Lypsky atme as in calling me a Jewish murderer,
like as an insult because around thistime, it's not you don't want
to be Jewish right now, andlike it's not good, or he was
shouting Lipsky at Elizabeth basically telling herI'm going to kill you now, like

(40:15):
Lipsky killed right, Like it's unclear, and the witness was kind of like
I kind of freaked out and youknow, carried on my own way because
I was scared I was going tobe attacked. Also, so Michael Kidney,
who was like Elizabeth's abusive boyfriend,went into the police station like after

(40:37):
her murder, extremely drunk and justcasually. It was like if I had
been the police officer on Judy thatnight that like Elizabeth was killed, like
I'd have killed myself. Oh okay, interesting words, right, I was

(40:58):
like, okay, nice guy,nice guy. Michael was considered a suspect
for a while, but he waseventually cleared. Elizabeth was killed with a
different knife than Polly and Annie,and this gives way to the theory that
Elizabeth is not in fact a victimof Jack the Ripper. However, that
theory doesn't fully like it's just atheory. Most people believe that she is

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a victim of Jack the Ripper.But he was just interrupted and he could
not finish what he was there todo, and this led him extremely unsatisfied.
At one thirty am, on thesame night as Elizabeth Stride's death September
thirty eight, eighteen eighty eight,a police officer was walking his beat and

(41:52):
everything seemingly normal. At one fortyfour am, minutes later, he was
making his loop back to the beachwhen he saw a woman lying on the
ground. It's late at night,he can't really see what's going on.

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He goes over and he has alook, and this is when September thirty
it became known as the Double Event. Okay, Sam's gonna move you all
on a little cliffhanger, and youhave to come back next week to find
out what happens. I will lieto you the next two murders. It
Qulit possibly the worst, the worst. Oh my god. Her arms were

(42:40):
cut off, her toe was cutout, her face was really Hope you
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