March 3, 2023 • 64 mins
This week, Niamh tells us all about Jeffrey Dahmer, a monster who killed at least 17 men over a span of about 13 years.
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Niamh's souces:
wikiwomenshealthmag.org
vault.fbi.gov
crimemuseum.org
history.com
criminalminds.fandom.org
britannia.com
eu.beaconjournal.com
digitalcommons.chapman.edu
biography.com
murderpedia.org
menshealth.com
eu.usatoday.com
aubtu.biz
archive.seattletimes.com
nytimes.com
apnews.com
sportskeeda.com
yahoo.com
netflix jeffrey dahmer confession tapes
inside edition interview youtube
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Hi, and welcome back to giveus Mark me. I'm Megan, and
we have just discovered that we areInternet Explorer. Yeah yeah, nice and
slow. So we are recording likeweeks in advance, so are like topics
of conversation for you guys have happenedlike weeks ago. So we're like that
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Internet Explorer meme. Literally, we'vejust passed Valentine's Day and we're like,
oh, we could talk about Valentine'sDay and it's like, no, this
is gonna be like three weeks later. They're gonna be like, what the
fuck are you talking about? Andthen I wanted to talk about Rihanna's super
Bowl performance because I'm sorry, girlkill was amazing. She yes, oh
my god, pop off queen,which you're like, well, pregnant belly,
(01:03):
you look cuty buttuti. She performedfor thirteen minutes straight with no special
guest. It's I don't I don'tknow super Bowl stuff. They yeah,
they usually like bring out special guestsand stuff, but like she just killed
it, Like she just was like, I don't need a special guest.
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She's amazing. Yeah. Rihanna's fanclub Literally I literally stand Rihanna, and
I hope she makes new music soon. Although I didn't love her song for
the Black Panther movie. I didn'teven hear it livet me yup, it's
like all I know, I'm literallyno, but I am obsessed with Paramore's
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new album. Oh my God,can we get a random applause for Paramour?
No? Can we? Because Iliterally swear to Christ Never, never
in my life have I actually hearda whole entire album that I actually like
every single song. Liar Liar justmakes me want to like get married and
helope. It's just beautiful. Iwas listening and then running out of time,
(02:13):
running out of time a bop Craveso go Fock. That was my
favorite song on my first listen ofthe album, and then God Big then
Yeah you have to do the littlehand like little little little because because he's
little yeah, and it's kind oflike she's saying, he is a little
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penis my first song on first listMy favorite song on first listen was Figure
eight. Now it's a toss upbetween Big Man and It Pick Skull,
Pick Skull, Yes, Mother,Haley Mother. They did a fallout Boy
where they like leave their best songto the very last song on the album,
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so on this occasion, I canforgive them for it only being a
ten track album. Mhmm. Doyou know I was hoping for twelve to
fourteen. But even with a tenten track album, every song slaps every
song everyone like, I feel likethey broke the album up so that the
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first kind of like four songs arelike Dancy and Bobby and the rest,
and the rest are like a differentkind of vibe. Like I feel like
the vibe it even though they're notbops, the vibe still doesn't go down.
You're still like, yeah on iton the high. Like like I
was listening to it and I waslike, you know, like you're listening
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to it and I was like,oh yeah, that's a nice song like
that. Oh yeah, I likethis song. No no No, I
like this song no no, no, no no. I always find like,
what like singers and stuff bands,there's always at least one or two
songs that you're just like, Elooks like, of course you're not gonna
(04:06):
like every single song you were likefavorite artists released, because it's like it's
just you know, never, nevergonna happen. But like, for the
first time in history, I literallywas like, no, this album though
this album though, and me andMeghan are Goussie live. Oh we are
reuniting literally to go and see PowerMoore. I'm forcing Megan to fly all
(04:30):
the way to Dublin just to seeParamore for one night. There's there would
be no forcing, honestly, likeFallout Boy. Growing up, when I
was a teenager, Fallout Boy orprobably my favorite band. But then the
older that I've gotten, I've reallyleaned into Paramore a bit and fallout Boy
have just released have just announced theiryes right, but Fallout Boy didn't release
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an Irish date and I was like, oh, I could go to London
and no, I just couldn't wire. Neither did Beyonce and adults you know.
Rude, Okay, rude, weneed dates too, It is rude.
Beyonce is doing three nights in London, three manga, three nights in
London, and you can't make ohtrip across the pond. She's going to
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like Sheffield or something like that.Sheffield. Okay, controversial opinion. Beyonce
is overrated. Oh no, Iwould like to see her alive. I
won't lie, Okay. She's anamazing singer, an amazing artist, but
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I think she's overrated to the pointwhere like, I don't know. I
just I don't know. It's likeI'm sick of hearing about it. You
know, I get it, Ido. I get it anyway. And
that was Emo Music Hour with Meganand Eve. That was her review of
Paramour's new album stream This is whysponsor us stop imagine. No, I
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think I would actually like die Ohmy sweet Jesus Christ, I would.
Yeah, yeah, my heart wouldexplode. Okay, well, get ready
for your heart to explode for adifferent reason. Tea, I don't want
to. Can we just make thislike an a music episode? Yeah?
(06:26):
Oh my god, Nave, You'reso good to me. So in case
you don't know what we're doing thisweek, and I I'm gonna give you
a clue. Um. Not everyone'sgonna get it because not everyone will have
watched it. But it's relax.I want to take some pictures. I'm
just gonna give you a clue,and it's going to be the name of
the episode. Everyone will have watchedthe series, so not everyone will get
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it. It's a complete Not everyonewatched that series. I actually didn't,
so NI watched it, so obviouslyI've seen bits and pieces of it,
but I it, I just didn'twant to watch it. And then I
had heard so much about family membersof victims hadn't even been contacted in regards
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to it. And for Netflix,who are such a major, major operation,
like you created a whole ass fictionalTV show because it's not all real,
well, they like they used victimsfamily's likeness in the court scenes and
stuff. I, by god,that's so spot on, and it was
actually scary her spot on. Theygot it, m but like, you
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know, you dramatized something that's alreadypretty traumatizing for people. And in case
you don't know who we're talking about, we are talking about Jeffrey Dahmer.
Oh god, I've been dreading doingI researched this and I don't know why
I researched it. I don't knowwhy I did this to myself. Yeah.
(08:05):
Yeah, but can we just stepback for a second, you guys,
and appreciate that Nive has like beendoing this constant like serial killer stuff.
And I'm here with my like onepart of episodes like before Kelly am
Bates, which is obviously horrific,but like haunted episodes and stuff, I'm
like, he and then Nive's likemurder Dead. So I guess I'll those
(08:30):
jump right in. You guys aremissing this. Nive does a little dive
every single time. It's my favorite. I look forward to it. Yeah,
if we ever start like filming these, oh fuck no, I'm sorry.
You do not want to see howwe look right now. I got
my odeon, I got my cupof tea, I'm wearing today's makeup.
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I have a burst pimple on myface. It's just I'm straight out of
the shower. So I feel likenobody looks good when they come out of
the show. We'll knockout me.When I say straight out, Obviously I
did dry my hair and put onclothes. I didn't just run down the
stairs in motel like I gotta record. Booby's are flapping forgive us more.
(09:18):
You do what you gotta do.It ain't much, but it's all honest
work. So with that being said, we'll just jump right into the fabulous.
Now, he's not fabulous at all. He's not. He's really not.
That's not like he's just so.Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer was born May twenty
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first, nineteen sixty in Milwaukee,Wisconsin. Sorry, that's Nile's birthday.
That makes him a Taurus. No, oh, no, Nile is a
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much better person. And don't worry. Nile doesn't go killing bunch of people
at least I hope he doesn't reallyknow of He did get some new American
cycle style glasses though, so he'sjust living his dream. I don't know.
His parents were Lionel and Joyce Damer. Lionel was studying at Marquette University
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when Jeffrey was just a young boy. Lionel wasn't really around much while Jeffrey
was growing up him. He wasalways kind of studying at college and then
he went on to just then constantlybe working. He was a research chemist
and he worked extremely long hours.Joyce suffered from depression and possibly had other
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mental health problems that were never reallyfully discussed and never were really fully like
released or anything like that. ButI mean you can tell by her actions
that she has like deep rooted issues. Joyce did attempt suicide by overdosing on
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pills. She was unsuccessful in killingherself. So Jeffrey was described as energetic
and as a happy child. Thenjust before his fourth birthday, he had
to have surgery for a double herniato be removed, which is like very
wild for a four year old.Yeah, that's a big surgery for a
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four year old. And also adouble hernia, Like I always thought a
hernia was something that you kind ofjust got because, like you know,
it was you were pregnant, youhad some sort of injury, or you
got hit with something. I didn'tI never realized that you could just get
one. Apparently, so after thesurgery, jeff jeff After the surgery,
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Jeffrey was very withdrawn and uncommunicative,and it appeared as if he was summary
suffering from PTSD from the surgery.It is said that it was never actually
properly explained to him, like whatwas happening. He just went into the
hospital one day and had this massivesurgery, and no one, not his
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parents, not the doctors ever liketold him. And I know he's only
four, he wouldn't fully understood.But also he just as a four year
old was just brought into hospital.Yeah, that would be traumatic for a
child. But at the same time, who's reporting that he was never told?
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You know, I'm not too sureas he says he can't remember,
you know, I'm not too surewho reported that. I just remember hearing
it, so you know I heardit within my researching. Jeffrey had a
younger brother named David, and hewas born in December nineteen sixty six.
Jeffrey was jealous of the attention hisbrother would get from his parents, but
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mostly from his mother. His familythen moved to Iaho, Ohio. Why
can't I talk? Oh my god, I just spat out my tea.
I wish we had a son boardso that I could just replay leave saying
Iaho, why did I I can'ttalk today? You guys just speaking the
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truth, to speak the truth.The family moved to Ohio when Jeffrey was
six years old. From an earlyage, Jeffrey began showing his interest in
bones and stuff. This was somethingthat Jeffrey and Lionel would soon bond over,
just father son bonding over bones,bonding over bones as you do,
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you know to see usual During dinnerone evening, Jeffrey asked what would happen
if the chicken carcass from the dinnerwould be dipped in bleach? So they
were obviously having like a full chickenfor dinner, and he was like,
what would happen if I just likedumped that in bleach. So well,
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now I'm curious. So Lionel isa research scientist. Okay, you guys,
and we're not going to go giveMinel hate because mine hate for this,
and I feel like he shouldn't livebecause he's a research scientist. So
he thinks his son is just curiousand wants to research shit. Lionel decided
to show Jeffrey how to safely bleachand preserve animal bones. He bought Jeffrey
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a chemistry set and was excited tohave something to bond with his son over
because Jeffrey was so like secluded inhimself, like so withdrawn. But then
when he showed an interest in somethingthat Lionel could also take interest in,
he was like, fuck yeah,like I can bond with my son over
this, of course. I mean, okay, in my opinion, all
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kids are somewhat curious about dead things. I mean, who hasn't when you
were a kid seen a dead birdand wanted to hold a funeral and all
of this stuff. And can Ijust say, Jennet Ortega, She's like,
oh yeah, I used to likedissect rats or whatever. She said,
some mad ship in an interview,and everybody was like, yes,
my queen. But when a dadand his son, okay, taking away
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the whole fact of what monster Jeffreygrew up to be or just curious about
like bones, like you know,they're vilified, literally, like Lionel was
vilified for showing Jeffrey what to dobecause of who Jeffrey turned out to be.
But obviously Lionel didn't think to himself, show him how to do this
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so that in the future he cankill like loads of people, you know
what I mean. Obviously not likelike an archaeologist or somebody who this is
their job, you know that.I mean, surely they showed some sort
of interest as a child as well, this is what I mean. So
I just thought, you know,like leave the man alone. He was
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just trying to like exactly. Youknow, y'all got those two amazing soundbites
from me and Megan in this episodealready you got Megan's bond of bones and
you got my iaho. Jeffrey wasobsessed with the noise the bones made when
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they shook, so he actually kepta bucket of bones and he called them
his fiddlesticks. No, yeah,that upsets me greatly. Jeffrey then started
to collect road kill and would justdie sect them and preserve them in his
quote clubhouse in the garden, whichwas just like the shed nicky Mouth club.
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Come inside, it's fun inside anhorror show. It's fucking and Jeffrey
Thomas day secting and preserving dead,already dead animals. Jeffrey then began decapitating
the dead animals, and he woulddisplay them on sticks. It's important to
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state here that he wasn't killing themhimself, he was all finding them already
dead. Well, that makes thedecapitation was better. I'm sorry, girl,
what the fuck? Imagine like youcame home and you found your fucking
child had decapitated a bunch of roadkilland put their heads on sticks, Like,
Mama, I made some art foryou. Happy brother's Day. I
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think the fuck Not no, we'regoing to plan c ye, But like,
on second, I don't think i'myour mom. Sorry. Jeffrey's mother
was bedbound a lot of the time, just by the amount of medication that
she was on, which was roughlytwenty tablet today. Like that's not great.
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Oh gosh, I feel for herkidneys, isn't it? Your kidney,
so that get affected by his parentswould argue a lot of the time,
and they wouldn't really pay much attentionto him. And then his mother
was like obsessed with David, butnot so much him. So Lionel stated
that when Jeffrey was eight years old, he was sexually abused by another boy
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in the neighborhood. However, Jeffreysaid that he didn't remember that ever happening,
so there's no proof. Wait saythat, so Lionel Jeffrey had been
abused. Lionel said that when Jeffreywas roughly eight, he was abused by
another boy in their neighborhood, butJeffrey was like, I don't think I
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was. I don't ever remember thathappening to me. See, there's two
different ways you could look at that. Then that it did happen, and
he Jeffrey reported it maybe at thetime and he just blocked it out,
or Lionel is trying to retrospectively defendJeffrey by saying, well, this happened,
maybe that's why. Yeah, Jeffreyhad a high IQ, but only
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ever had average or below average gradesin school. The only class Jeffrey ever
took an interest in was biology.He played the clarinet and tennis. Okay,
I can see him in a pairof tennis shorts. Jeffrey said that
by seventh grade he was drinking duringschool. By the age of twelve,
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he was drinking gin out of afask he kept in his locker, and
this is confirmed by some of hisat the time classmates. I feel like
that's just like that before two thousandsof the you know, I feel like
people were smoking cigarettes and getting crazyat school at a younger ages. Yeah,
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yeah, we're back then. Itwas like, he's probably just on
a tough day at school. Thefinger painting didn't go well today. So
whenever anyone questioned him on the flask, he would say that it was his
quote medicine, which like same,Like where did you learn that from?
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At the rival age of twelve,like a sweart cord. According to one
girl, she remembered Jeffrey drinking Scotchout of a styrofoam cup in the middle
of class. That's just hardcore though, but also horrible because I can imagine
the styrofoam would start to break downwith alcohol. No, I would have
thought, so, I'm not gonnalie, right, I find that hard
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to believe somewhat, just because likesurely the teacher would have smelled that.
Oh yeah, like that's against theopen container laws. If you're gonna drink
hard fucking alcohol, you need tohave it in a flask. Jeffrey,
Jesus Christ Christ, We're in aclass, Read it together. Jeffrey didn't
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really have many friends and mostly kepthimself. However, in school, in
order to get the attention from people, he would make odd noises at inappropriate
times in the middle of class andwe all know one of those guys.
He would also fake seizures and drawbody outlines in order to make his classmates
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laugh. Yeah, body outlines arehilarious. He then snuck into pictures of
all the different school clubs for theyearbook, so like just before they took
them, he would just like likea mere cat height that is that is
kind of funny. His friends,well quote friends, would pay him to
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do weird things out in public,and they would call it doing a Damer.
I really thought that that was like, you know, a high school
movie trope of like oh, youjust did a Megan because you did something
silly or stupid, like you knowyou're doing a X name, but okay,
doing a damer. It was aroundfourteen years old when Jeffrey realized that
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he was gay. As he cameout of puberty, he began having fantasies
of raping boys, which is veryconcerning because he's only fourteen years of age.
Yeah, to be at that ageand even know what rape is is
a horrible thing, but then tofantasize about it, it's like, what
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the fuck? Obviously, and I'mnot like obviously, We're in the seventies.
Now realizes he's gay. He's fantasizingabout raping boys. You're not going
to tell your father or your mother. I fantasize about raping boys. I
think I need help because that wouldtell them that you're gay. And it's
the seventies, and god forbid you'dbe gay in the seventies and dream about
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raping people. But also, yeoh, I can't tell. I can't
tell my parents that I might bea sexual predator because then they'll find out
I'm gay. I like boys,but like what I feel like those?
I get I know, I getit, but yeah, what At sixteen
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years old, Jeffrey noticed a guythat would jog near his home every day,
and Jeffrey began to fantasize about howhe wanted to knock the jogger unconscious
and rape them. And one daythe fantasy just became too much for Jeffrey
and he decided that he was goingto go hide in the in a bush
along the jogger's route with a baseballbat. So this guy literally ran the
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same like loop every single day formonths, so Jeffrey like knew at the
same time as well. So likeJeffrey knew exactly when he was going to
be running past. So he waslike got his little baseball bat and was
like matta to shoe. But Jeffreyit was nut because for so Jeffrey's plan
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was to jump out and hit thejogger unconscious, rape him, and then
murder him. But after waiting hours, the jogger never showed up. The
jogger just like randomly decided that dayto not go for a jog. After
jogging the same loop every single dayat the same time for months, he
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was like, that's insane. Actuallydoesn't take a break today. That's his
lucky day. That was his luckyCan you imagine like knowing like imagine you're
the jogger and you know that youtook that loop every day, and then
you hear this on the news likeyears later, wouldn't you just be like,
oh my god, Wow, Yeah, I don't know how i'd feel
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about that. I don't know howthat would make me feel at all.
It would make me feel so scared, but at the same time so grateful
to be on the earth because literally, like I don't know where, you
just decided not to go for ajog and that literally saved your life.
When exercising helps you live longer.Wait, no, when not exercising helps
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you live longer. So see,we're just saving our lives by not exercising,
you guys. Yeah, and youknow what, smoke the extra cigarette.
You'll live an extra day for everyone. Jeffrey went home extremely unsatisfied because
his fantasy he did not get tolive it out, so he was like,
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dark, I hate my life rightnow. Around this time, Jeffrey's
parents were fighting a lot despite beingin counseling, and eventually they decided to
divorce, and on July twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight, the divorce was
finalized. Both Lionel and Joyce chargedeach other with extreme cruelty and gross negligent
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of duty. So they both likeaccused one another and had their lawyers like
file charges of was their abuse andnow yes and no, So from like
what I researched, and that Lionelhad pushed Joyce several times, but Joyce
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had like tried to stab him witha knife at one point, and like
she was completely and utterly mental unstable. And I think you just realized exactly
how unstable she is when I readthis next bit. But she was completely
and utterly, like mentally unstable,and she would fly off the handle at
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Linel for like very minor things,and like she'd fly off the handle so
much so that then he would startyelling at her, which I know isn't
good. But then at the sametime his pushings were being his buttons were
being pushed, and then he likeand then I think at one point,
she like at one like during onealtercation, she like grabbed a knife to
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try to stab him. Okay,that's a lot and if you as a
child or witnessing any of this,obviously you can hear it at least,
but you know, she's on twentypills a day, and if okay,
so say they were fucking her upor you know, she misses one and
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that sucks up the whole the wholesystem. Yeah, like, so she
would fight with Linel a lot becausehe was working a lot, but he
had to work a lot to payall the bills because she couldn't work properly
because she was on twenty pills aday. So yeah, it's like a
tough and so then he would fightwith her because he'd be like, well,
you're just a no good hey,yeah, she births your two children,
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don't say that. Stop it.Well, she may have birthed them,
but Joyce was a awarded so soulcustody of their both well at the
time. So Jeffrey is now eighteen, but he's still in school. He
hasn't graduated yet, so he's justgone. He's not long after turning eighteen.
So Joyce is awarded custody of theyoungest son, David, along with
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alimony payments. Obviously, she's notawarded custody of Jeffrey because he is eighteen,
so he's classed as an adult.However, he is still in school.
He is you know, he's stilla child realistically. Yeah, but
he just in the eyes of thestate is considered an adult. Jeffrey came
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home one evening after school, shortlyafter Joyce won the court battle for David.
She was living in the house,so Lionel had moved out and was
living I think in a motel orsomething at the time, I'm not too
sure, but he had moved outanyway, so she was in the home
with the two kids while the courtbattle was like going on. So she
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won, and Jeffrey comes home tofind that his mother is packing up the
car and she is leaving with Davidto move to Wisconsin. Okay, and
she that's an interesting move. Shetold Jeffrey that she didn't want him right,
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that he was to stay in thehouse and her and David were to
go, but like, she didn'twant to bring him free house forever.
So, as I said, Lionelhad moved out of the family home during
the divorce, so Jeffrey was abandoned. He probably should have just called Lionel
and been like, hey, dad, like mom's gone, but he didn't.
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He panicked and he was like,what the fuck my parents? Essentially
both my parents have just left me, which, as much as he is
a shitty person, a shitty,But like, how long did it take
for Lionel to realize this? Becausemonths? If your son is still in
you mean you could have picked upthe phone, daddio. So Lionel had
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found himself a new fiance at thispoint, so he's like, fuck my
old life, Like who even isJeffrey? Like who are you? Who
are you? Even? My son? Who are you? Jeffrey was left
with no food, no money,and a broken fridge. Sorry but the
broken fridge headed make get into thisstory. Oh, it's just like,
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you know, like he didn't evenhave anywhere to store food. Here's no
food, here's no food. Hedidn't have any food. But if he
did have any he most certainly wouldn'thave had it for long. He graduated
from high school with a zero pointfive GPA, which I am told is
extremely bad. Shortly after graduating,Jeffrey would commit his first murder. On
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June eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight,Jeffrey picked up a hitchhiker, Stephen Mark
Hicks. Stephen was hitchhiking his wayto a concert when Jeffrey pulled over.
Jeffrey convinced Stephen to come over tohis house before the concert to have some
beers and smoke some weed and let'sjust be super cool, you guys.
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It is reported that they had consensualsex with one another, but this is
not proven. Okay, Steve eventhen wanted to leave for the concert.
So basically Jeffrey was like, cometo my house, let's have good drinks,
let's have smoked some weed, andthen I'm like, I'll totally drop
you off at the concert later.Yeah, let's just pregame it it.
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Yeah, And so times moving on, and Steven's like, hey, like
my concert is starting soon, solike I think I'll gotta go go head
out. M Jeffrey was trying toconvince Stephen to stay longer, but it
wasn't working. Like Stephen was like, I want to go. My concert
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start soon, Like you said you'ddrop me, and now you're not dropping
me, Like you got two wasted, I'm out of here. In a
panic, Jeffrey hit Stephen over thehead with a barbell twice. Jeffrey then
choked Stephen with the barbell. Jeffreythen stripped Stephen of all of his clothes
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and Matt sturbated over him, No, how do you do all of that?
But You're like, I was injust such a panic that I'm masturbated.
How do you Okay, So ifyou break this down, Stephen wanted
to leave, Jeffrey's like, no, don't leave me, and decides to
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go pick up the heaviest fucking thinghe can find in the house, a
barbell. It's over the head withit, not once, but twice,
yes, correct, then strangles himto death with it. Yes, how
do you even think to do thatin your head? And then just violates
Stephen as he's dying or dead.And I'll say, is that Karmer does
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come for Jeffrey in the end?Okay? So but yeah, I don't
fully don't. We're gonna let youponder over that while we take a quick
at break and we're back. Sothe next day, Jeffrey dissected Stephen's body.
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He put them in bin bags.He then loaded up the car with
the bags and decided that he wasgoing to bring them to the local dump.
By the time he is doing this, it is late at night,
because it like literally took him thewhole entire day to dissect Stephen's body.
Jeffrey had been drinking while he wasdoing this, so by the time he
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was leaving the house. He wasactually quite drunk. On the way to
the dump, Jeffrey got pulled overby police because the car was swerving onto
the other side of the road.Jeffrey told police that he had been doing
some yard work and that he wasbringing the clippings to the dump. It's
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because they could see the bin bagsand the back seat of the car and
they're like, what you do intheir palm? And he was like,
oh, nothing, just I wasdoing some yardwork for my mom and dad.
I just they asked me to bringthe clippings to the dump. The
police could tell that he'd drink onthem, so they told him to turn
his car around and go home andbring the bring the clippings the next morning.
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Oh yeah, you're absolutely twisted fuckingdrunk. You're like eighteen, so
you shouldn't even be having a drinkanyway. But I guess it's the seventies,
So like, who cares, Getback in your car, turn around
and endanger the lives of other drivers, Get your ass back home. Great
a police work here, yep,we can't even I can't even give out
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to them over the bags. That'sa different story because it's like, would
you check it no police officers clippingsexactly, you don't. You don't fucking
expect that a drunk as body partsin the back of his car, but
sending him home, like, couldyou not have put him in a cell
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for the night to sober up?So Jeffrey got home and decided to smash
Steven's bones into tiny pieces, eventurning some of them to dust and scattering
them around his back garden and thewoods behind his back garden. At the
home, no one suspected any sortof a crime had ever happened, and
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Stephen Hicks was reported missing by hisfamily. They would have to wait thirteen
years to find out what happened totheir son, God thirteen years. Several
weeks later, Lionel decided to visithis children because he wanted to introduce them
to his new fiance, Sherry.Why is Sherry always the name? And
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then this is when Lionel learned thatJoyce had abandoned Jeffrey and took David to
a new state. Because he probablywanted Sherry to meet David. Yeah,
he was thinking about Joyce. Hewas bringing them, He was bringing Sherry
to meet David and Jeffrey. Andthen he got there and basically just spend
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Jeffrey living in a ship hole.And did he do anything to help him
or was he just like he tookall right, okay, I'm going home.
No, he gathered, he gotJeffrey to gather his things and was
like, okay, look, listen, you clearly can't stay here by yourself.
Like house was in like ruins,recking round, Like he's an eighteen
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year old boy. Do you thinkthat boy knew how to fucking clean a
dish? No, but he knewhow to bleach bones what you know what
I mean? Like he was probablywearing the same shirt for the last three
months anyway, Oh so dirty DamerSo Lionel and Sherry were like, come
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live with us, you know,like, come on off we go.
Well, we'll fix it. SoJeffrey had graduated from high school with such
a terrible GPO that he hadn't actuallyenrolled in any COLLEGESPO. Listener, I
know the Easter Rising is always inour heads. The GPO. Just for
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those who don't know, it's theGeneral Post Office. Yeah, m a
fun fact. It had bullet holesin it from the Easter Rising. That's
all I know that they were likein there in the Easter Rising, some
people were and then other people wereshooting at I don't know what happened,
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Okay, I meant to say GPA. He graduated from high school with a
terrible GPA, and he hadn't evenenrolled in any colleges because, like he
was, like, what's the point, They're not going to take me.
So Lionel decided to help Jeffrey,and he got him into Ohio State University
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to study business. Jeffrey was extremelyunproductive here. He was drinking every day
and he was early turning up toclasses. Lionel had paid for Jeffrey's second
term upfront in advance, but Jeffreywas actually doing so pearly that they asked
him to leave the college during hisfirst term, not even his first semester.
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His first term was Lionel pisted,Yeah, yeah, he paid for
the second semester upfront and Jeffrey didn'teven make it through the first term.
That's it. I'm sending you backto Nickey Mouse's clubhouse. You can't live
here with me and Sherry anymore.Go back to your ship hole. He
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only completed three months of college,more than may I mean you imagine judge.
I didn't even go I'll judge alot because it's Jeffrey, Jeffrey Dammer.
Then, in January nineteen seventy nine, Lionel persisted that Jeffrey had to
do something with his life, sohe enrolled him into the army. Jeffrey
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went for basic training in Fort McClellanin Anniston, Alabama. He then went
on to train as a medical specialistat Fort sam Houston in San Antonio,
Texas. On July thirteenth, thirteenth, nineteen seventy nine, Jeffrey was deployed
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to West Germany, where he wasthe combat medic. In March nineteen eighty
one, Jeffrey was deemed unsuitable frommilitary service and was honorably discharged. His
alcoholism was so bad that it startedto affect his work, and in twenty
ten, a soldier claimed that hewas stationed in Germany with Jeffrey, and
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he claimed that Jeffrey reported repeatedly rapedhim over a seventeen month period. The
soldier did not report the crime atthe time, but sadly, oh no
sorry. The soldier did report thecrime, but sadly no one took him
seriously. It is believed that hewas not Jeffrey's only victim while stationed in
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Germany. What you're telling me they'recovering up crimes in the military unheard of.
I'm sure. My pearls, mypearls. So basically they just were
like, oh, Keane, heis drinking all the time. He's supposed
to be the combat medic and he'sdrunk all the time. So he's drunk
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all the time. And then ontop of that, then you have several
people people reporting him for like sexuallyas halting him. So it's reported that
what he would do is he wouldinvite them into his like I don't know
his tent, I don't know,I don't know what they were living in.
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He would basically invite them into hisbedroom where he'd be like, I'll
give you a pill to like helpyou, like you know, like give
you the effects of weed or stufflike that, and they were like that
sounds cool, and then he woulddrug them and then he would rape them
while they were like out of it. Oh, that's horrific. And I've
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only heard of this one guy comingforward, but I don't know, like
there could be more that did comeforward. There could be more that did
report it. I don't know.Again, it's nineteen eighty one by the
time he's discharged, so it's likea case of like, oh, but
then they'll think I'm gay. Yeah. Jeffrey was given a plane ticket to
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anywhere in America and by the Armyin order for him to get home from
Germany. Jeffrey panicked and didn't wantto tell his father about being discharged,
so he decided to go to MiamiBeach, Florida. Oh, he just
went for a little little holiday,a little vacation. He got a job
at a sandwich shop and rented aroom at a local motel. He spent
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most of his wages on drink andwas quickly evicted from the motel. Jeffrey
slept homeless on the beaches of Miami, drinking for a few weeks before deciding
to call his dad. He askedLionel if he could come home to Ohio
in September nineteen eighty one, Soessentially he realized that Miami was not working
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out. He lost his job eventuallyat the sandwich shop, and then he
had lost his room in the motel, so he was just like living rough
on the beaches, like drinking everyday, and then it was kind of
like, should probably go home,Yeah, you should do that, and
then she was like, Daddy,can I come home? Are you and
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Sherry please? Jeffrey moved back inwith Lionel and Sherry. Jeffrey was still
drinking very heavily, and he wasarrested for drunk and disorderly conduct. He
was fined sixty dollars and a tenday suspended jail sentence. Lionel attempted to
help Jeffrey get sober, but hewas unsuccessful. Lionel ran out of patience
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with Jeffrey and decided it would bebest if he went and he lived with
his grandmother in West Alice in Wisconsin. And I will say, to be
fair to Lionel, he got himinto college that didn't work out, so
we got him to join the armybecause he was like, you have to
do something. That didn't work out. Came home and he tried to help
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him get sober, and that wasn'tworking out, and so I think he
just was like, I don't knowwhat to do anymore. So then he
was like, maybe you should gostay with your grandmother because well she was
living alone, so to have someonelive with her would be super helpful,
and then on top of that,then she would be able to try kind
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of keep him on the straight andnarrow per se. Jeffrey loved his grandmother
and she was probably the only familymember that Jeffrey would actually show affection to.
To start off, everything was goingreally well with his grandmother. He
was helping her with the chores,and he would attend church with her.
However, Jeffrey was still drinking,and on August eighth, nineteen eighty two,
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Jeffrey was arrested for indecent exposure ata Wisconsin state fair. He exposed
himself to twenty He exposed himself totwenty five people, including children. I's
gonna say as soon as you saidat the state fair, like that's the
kids m Jeffrey was convicted, didand charged a fifty dollars fine plus court
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costs, So I don't know howmuch he actually ended up the pain.
How did he get less lesser finefor indecent exposure than he did for a
drunken disorderly merca? Oh, youjust flashed a bunch of kids, that's
fine, but hey, you're actinga little bit crazy outside a bar.
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How dare you. Jeffrey got ajob at a blood plasma center, but
he was fired after ten months thereand it was reported, and I don't
know how true this is, butit was reported that he was like stealing
the blood. Oh it's okay,all right, I can count down there.
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According to the Netflix Evan Peters series, he was drinking it. But
I don't know how true that is, but he Yeah. In nineteen eighty
five, Jeffrey got a job asa mixer at an ambrosia factory where he
would work the night shift, sohe basically was in charge of like a
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giant mixers ambrosia like creamed rice.Yeah, I thought that was irish.
Oh creamed Okay, for the record, it's fucking disgusting. Well, they
don't do just creamed rice. Theydo like puddings as well and stuff anything
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I have had no, Well,that's because Jeffrey Dahmer worked there in the
eighties. Tainted it forever. Jeffreywas arrested in Milwaukee for lude and las
facious acts in September nineteen eighty six. Jeffrey had been caught masturbating in front
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of two twelve year old boys.Keep your fucking dick in your pants,
and this stands for Jeffrey forever.Just keep your fucking dicking your pants and
all of your problems will be like, at least halved Jeffrey. At least
Jeffrey was going into a eunuch.Just cut it off, let's sort everything
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out. Tell you. Jeffrey wasgoing to get a one year sentence.
However, he told the judge thathe was just urinating and that he was
unaware that anyone could see him.Yeah, don't don't You have to pump
your penis to urinate, right,that's how you get the pout m must
be. The judge decided to changethe charges to disorderly conduct, and he
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was sentenced to one year's probation.YEP. By late nineteen eighty five,
Jeffrey began going out to gay barsand clubs and started going to local bathhouses,
which are I had to research becauseI was like, what the fuck
is that bath house? And itis basically like not even motels. It's
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basically just what looked like motels.You rent a room to have sex in
and then you leave. But they'relike for gay people mostly why are they
called bathhouses? So? Because Idon't know, like doing the opposite of
getting clean, you get nasty.Well, I get dirty. Yeah.
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Maybe that's why they were called bathhousesfor the irony like a blowjob, because
you don't blow, you suck.Yeah. Oh my god, I never
thought of that, right. Jeffreystarted to become more sexually active, and
he would get frustrated at how muchhis sexual partners would like to move and
(49:55):
talk during sex. Oh yeah,that's the worst. Don't you hate it
when they just move? Yeah,like when they're an active participant in sex.
Oh terrible, terrible. You wantme to have sex with you?
No, thank you. I'd likeyou to resist a little. Yeah,
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if you could just like really pretendthat you don't want me here right now.
That just really helped me. Hebegan to fantasize about them being incapacitated.
Quote. I trained myself to viewpeople as objects of pleasure instead of
people. Okay. This was whenJeffrey started to drug his sexual partners and
(50:40):
then rape them. Jeffrey almost overdosedone of his partners and an ambulance had
to be called, and after this, Jeffrey's membership was revoked and he was
barred from all bathhouses if he wasdoing this already in the military like he's
experienced. Jeffrey began using hotels andmotels after this, And it was around
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this time Jeffrey had read in thepaper about the death of a local eighteen
year old boy. Jeffrey thought aboutdigging up the boy's body to take it
home and to keep it, butaccording to Jeffrey, the ground was too
hard and frozen, so he gaveup and he went home. So did
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he actually go to the site,And apparently where does that end? So
we're at a point now where he'salready committed his first murder in the military,
has been using drugs so that hecan sexually assault people. He has
now come home, is living withhis grandmother, has already been arrested multiple
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times and been in court multiple times, and now he's been banned from all
of the bathhouses because he nearly killedsomebody. Yeah, it is like,
how does one do all this inso little years? On November twentieth,
(52:09):
nineteen eighty seven, Jeffrey picked uptwenty five year old Stephen to me at
a local bar. Jeffrey convinced Stephento spend the night with him at the
Ambassador Hotel because obviously he couldn't goback to a bathhouse. Jeffrey's plan was
to drug and rape Stephen. However, the next morning, Jeffrey woke up
(52:30):
to cut some bruises on his hands, and he found Stephen had been so
badly beaten that his chest had beencrushed in. That's horrific. Stephen had
been beaten beyond recognition and blood wascoming from his mouth. Jeffrey claimed he
never intended on killing Stephen and hehad no memory of any of it.
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Why did they always say that?They always say I have no memory of
at least one of their murders.And it's like, he literally confessed to
have everything. So it's like,why are you saying you don't remember this
one? Like do you actually notremember because you did confess to everything?
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Or are you genuinely just having uson for a laugh because you just don't
want to admit to this one?Yeah? Why this one? Because I
feel like, no matter how drunkor how high you get, I feel
like you're going to remember something likeviciously beating some to death. Jeffrey thought
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maybe he had gotten blackout drunk andtried to take Steven's heart out from his
chest, so Jeffrey was like.Jeffrey was like, I think I just
got like so drunk and so outof it, and that in my out
of its state, I just musthave wanted his heart. That's just still
no excuse, though obously it's noexcuse to kill anybody ever, but to
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be like, I'm black out,draw I can't remember what I did last
night. No, it's not normalto want to take somebody's hurt from their
chest. No, it's not.And I have never in my twenty five
years of life seeing somebody that hasbeen black out drunk, like to the
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point where they genuinely might not rememberthe night, but actually still then be
able to stand up and move andlike make movements what's the word, like,
I know what you mean, Likethey purposeful movement. They would be
very sloppy. He wouldn't be ableto, in my opinion, do something
(54:42):
as calculated exactly. Jeffrey then wentand bought two large suitcases and to put
Stephen's body in. So he putStephen's body in one and then he put
any evidence off the crime in theother. He then got a taxi back
to his grandmother's eyes. The taxi, the taxi man was helping. Jeffrey
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put his bags in the boot ofthe taxi and joked about how heavy the
bags were, commenting, quote,you'd think there was a body in there.
God, can you imagine being thattaxi driver. And again, like
the jogger hearing the story years later, and maybe he doesn't even remember like
doing or saying that, but andit's like so true because when it's like
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when you have like a heavy suitcase, it's like, yay, is what
you gotten there? A dead body? Yeah? You know, it's the
thing you say. Yeah. Jeffreythen hid Steven's body in the basement of
his grandmother's house for a few days. So from what I can gather,
(55:46):
his grandmother's house had a basement,and in the basement there was like a
seller Okay it was jef Ramsey says. Like the Ramsey says, they had
like a wine cellar in there,kind of like the wine cellar in the
basement, but like it wasn't usedfor wine. But that's where he stored
(56:09):
the body, and he stored itthere for a few days before severing the
head and limbs from the torso.Jeffrey then took all of the bones from
the body and cut the body intosmall pieces. He then put all of
the pieces into a bag and thenput them out for trash collection. He's
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so brave in the sense that hedoesn't he's so sure of himself that nobody's
going to look in the bag.Jeffrey smashed all the bones, but he
decided to keep Stephen's head. Jeffreyhad Steven's head wrapped in a blanket for
two weeks. He then attempted topreserve it by boiling it in a bleach
(56:53):
mixture in order to keep it formasturbation purposes, thankfully, and however,
the bones became too brittle after beingboiled and he had to just dispose of
the skull with the rest of thebones. Stephen was reported missing by his
family in December nineteen eighty seven,and Stephen is still considered a missing person
(57:16):
to this day because his body wasnever actually discovered. Jeffrey did admit to
murdering Stephen, but like there wasno evidence to ever prove that Jeffrey and
Stephen ever even met up together,other than Jeffrey saying, yeah, know
(57:37):
that I killed him. Yeah,And by the end, Jeffrey was chasing
a lot of notoriety so you neverknow. Yeah, Stephen had given Jeffrey
a taste for murder. And it'sstrange because the first murder freaked him out
(58:01):
and like scared him almost like hewas kind of like, what the fuck
did I just do? And howdid I just do that? And what
was wrong with me for doing that? And then it's like, all these
years later, he accidentally then killsStephen to me. Well, like quote
unquote accidentally kills Stephen to me,and it like instead of freaking him out,
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gave him a taste for it.Yeah, like the first time around,
well, the first time around hehad to have liked it to a
degree because he masturbated and he did. But then I think it was the
aftermath then he was like, ohmy god, like what the like,
So with the first murder I heard, like I read and researched that he
(58:46):
like originally was trying to hide that'sStephen's body under the house and then panic
because then he was like, no, like what if an animal finds it
and then drags it out? Andhow do I explain? And the smell
and he like was freaking out andhe was like, what's the best way
to get rid of this? Andlike was I can't believe I've done this,
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like oh my god, like holyshit. Like with the first murder,
it was like the initial killing turnedhim on and then he freaked out.
But then with this murder, hedidn't have the like freak out as
such. Yeah, and instead yeah, instead he was a case of like
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might like to do that again,and thus began his years long spray.
How would that even? I knowwhere Jeffrey got it from, because he'd
done it in his childhood to adegree, I know she's saying that together.
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Yeah, to be like, mm, I preserve animals this way,
so I should like definitely try topreserve this human head so that I can
use it for purposes. And Imean, we can all use our imagination
as to what the hell he wasgoing to do with that head. Leave,
No, I don't want to usemy imagination. It's a dark place.
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Hi, and welcome back to giveus Mark me. I'm Megan, and
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Bowl performance because I'm sorry, girlkill was amazing. She yes, oh
my god, pop off queen,which you're like, well, pregnant belly,
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you look cuty buttuti. She performedfor thirteen minutes straight with no special
guest. It's I don't I don'tknow super Bowl stuff. They yeah,
they usually like bring out special guestsand stuff, but like she just killed
it, Like she just was like, I don't need a special guest.
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She's amazing. Yeah. Rihanna's fanclub Literally I literally stand Rihanna, and
I hope she makes new music soon. Although I didn't love her song for
the Black Panther movie. I didn'teven hear it livet me yup, it's
like all I know, I'm literallyno, but I am obsessed with Paramore's
(01:49):
new album. Oh my God,can we get a random applause for Paramour?
No? Can we? Because Iliterally swear to Christ Never, never
in my life have I actually hearda whole entire album that I actually like
every single song. Liar Liar justmakes me want to like get married and
helope. It's just beautiful. Iwas listening and then running out of time,
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running out of time a bop Craveso go Fock. That was my
favorite song on my first listen ofthe album, and then God Big then
Yeah you have to do the littlehand like little little little because because he's
little yeah, and it's kind oflike she's saying, he is a little
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penis my first song on first listMy favorite song on first listen was Figure
eight. Now it's a toss upbetween Big Man and It Pick Skull,
Pick Skull, Yes, Mother,Haley Mother. They did a fallout Boy
where they like leave their best songto the very last song on the album,
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so on this occasion, I canforgive them for it only being a
ten track album. Mhmm. Doyou know I was hoping for twelve to
fourteen. But even with a tenten track album, every song slaps every
song everyone like, I feel likethey broke the album up so that the
(03:23):
first kind of like four songs arelike Dancy and Bobby and the rest,
and the rest are like a differentkind of vibe. Like I feel like
the vibe it even though they're notbops, the vibe still doesn't go down.
You're still like, yeah on iton the high. Like like I
was listening to it and I waslike, you know, like you're listening
(03:46):
to it and I was like,oh yeah, that's a nice song like
that. Oh yeah, I likethis song. No no No, I
like this song no no, no, no no. I always find like,
what like singers and stuff bands,there's always at least one or two
songs that you're just like, Elooks like, of course you're not gonna
(04:06):
like every single song you were likefavorite artists released, because it's like it's
just you know, never, nevergonna happen. But like, for the
first time in history, I literallywas like, no, this album though
this album though, and me andMeghan are Goussie live. Oh we are
reuniting literally to go and see PowerMoore. I'm forcing Megan to fly all
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the way to Dublin just to seeParamore for one night. There's there would
be no forcing, honestly, likeFallout Boy. Growing up, when I
was a teenager, Fallout Boy orprobably my favorite band. But then the
older that I've gotten, I've reallyleaned into Paramore a bit and fallout Boy
have just released have just announced theiryes right, but Fallout Boy didn't release
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an Irish date and I was like, oh, I could go to London
and no, I just couldn't wire. Neither did Beyonce and adults you know.
Rude, Okay, rude, weneed dates too, It is rude.
Beyonce is doing three nights in London, three manga, three nights in
London, and you can't make ohtrip across the pond. She's going to
(05:17):
like Sheffield or something like that.Sheffield. Okay, controversial opinion. Beyonce
is overrated. Oh no, Iwould like to see her alive. I
won't lie, Okay. She's anamazing singer, an amazing artist, but
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I think she's overrated to the pointwhere like, I don't know. I
just I don't know. It's likeI'm sick of hearing about it. You
know, I get it, Ido. I get it anyway. And
that was Emo Music Hour with Meganand Eve. That was her review of
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Yeah, yeah, my heart wouldexplode. Okay, well, get ready
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watched it. But it's relax.I want to take some pictures. I'm
just gonna give you a clue,and it's going to be the name of
the episode. Everyone will have watchedthe series, so not everyone will get
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it. It's a complete Not everyonewatched that series. I actually didn't,
so NI watched it, so obviouslyI've seen bits and pieces of it,
but I it, I just didn'twant to watch it. And then I
had heard so much about family membersof victims hadn't even been contacted in regards
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to it. And for Netflix,who are such a major, major operation,
like you created a whole ass fictionalTV show because it's not all real,
well, they like they used victimsfamily's likeness in the court scenes and
stuff. I, by god,that's so spot on, and it was
actually scary her spot on. Theygot it, m but like, you
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know, you dramatized something that's alreadypretty traumatizing for people. And in case
you don't know who we're talking about, we are talking about Jeffrey Dahmer.
Oh god, I've been dreading doingI researched this and I don't know why
I researched it. I don't knowwhy I did this to myself. Yeah.
(08:05):
Yeah, but can we just stepback for a second, you guys,
and appreciate that Nive has like beendoing this constant like serial killer stuff.
And I'm here with my like onepart of episodes like before Kelly am
Bates, which is obviously horrific,but like haunted episodes and stuff, I'm
like, he and then Nive's likemurder Dead. So I guess I'll those
(08:30):
jump right in. You guys aremissing this. Nive does a little dive
every single time. It's my favorite. I look forward to it. Yeah,
if we ever start like filming these, oh fuck no, I'm sorry.
You do not want to see howwe look right now. I got
my odeon, I got my cupof tea, I'm wearing today's makeup.
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I have a burst pimple on myface. It's just I'm straight out of
the shower. So I feel likenobody looks good when they come out of
the show. We'll knockout me.When I say straight out, Obviously I
did dry my hair and put onclothes. I didn't just run down the
stairs in motel like I gotta record. Booby's are flapping forgive us more.
(09:18):
You do what you gotta do.It ain't much, but it's all honest
work. So with that being said, we'll just jump right into the fabulous.
Now, he's not fabulous at all. He's not. He's really not.
That's not like he's just so.Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer was born May twenty
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first, nineteen sixty in Milwaukee,Wisconsin. Sorry, that's Nile's birthday.
That makes him a Taurus. No, oh, no, Nile is a
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much better person. And don't worry. Nile doesn't go killing bunch of people
at least I hope he doesn't reallyknow of He did get some new American
cycle style glasses though, so he'sjust living his dream. I don't know.
His parents were Lionel and Joyce Damer. Lionel was studying at Marquette University
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when Jeffrey was just a young boy. Lionel wasn't really around much while Jeffrey
was growing up him. He wasalways kind of studying at college and then
he went on to just then constantlybe working. He was a research chemist
and he worked extremely long hours.Joyce suffered from depression and possibly had other
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mental health problems that were never reallyfully discussed and never were really fully like
released or anything like that. ButI mean you can tell by her actions
that she has like deep rooted issues. Joyce did attempt suicide by overdosing on
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pills. She was unsuccessful in killingherself. So Jeffrey was described as energetic
and as a happy child. Thenjust before his fourth birthday, he had
to have surgery for a double herniato be removed, which is like very
wild for a four year old.Yeah, that's a big surgery for a
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four year old. And also adouble hernia, Like I always thought a
hernia was something that you kind ofjust got because, like you know,
it was you were pregnant, youhad some sort of injury, or you
got hit with something. I didn'tI never realized that you could just get
one. Apparently, so after thesurgery, jeff jeff After the surgery,
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Jeffrey was very withdrawn and uncommunicative,and it appeared as if he was summary
suffering from PTSD from the surgery.It is said that it was never actually
properly explained to him, like whatwas happening. He just went into the
hospital one day and had this massivesurgery, and no one, not his
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parents, not the doctors ever liketold him. And I know he's only
four, he wouldn't fully understood.But also he just as a four year
old was just brought into hospital.Yeah, that would be traumatic for a
child. But at the same time, who's reporting that he was never told?
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You know, I'm not too sureas he says he can't remember,
you know, I'm not too surewho reported that. I just remember hearing
it, so you know I heardit within my researching. Jeffrey had a
younger brother named David, and hewas born in December nineteen sixty six.
Jeffrey was jealous of the attention hisbrother would get from his parents, but
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mostly from his mother. His familythen moved to Iaho, Ohio. Why
can't I talk? Oh my god, I just spat out my tea.
I wish we had a son boardso that I could just replay leave saying
Iaho, why did I I can'ttalk today? You guys just speaking the
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truth, to speak the truth.The family moved to Ohio when Jeffrey was
six years old. From an earlyage, Jeffrey began showing his interest in
bones and stuff. This was somethingthat Jeffrey and Lionel would soon bond over,
just father son bonding over bones,bonding over bones as you do,
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you know to see usual During dinnerone evening, Jeffrey asked what would happen
if the chicken carcass from the dinnerwould be dipped in bleach? So they
were obviously having like a full chickenfor dinner, and he was like,
what would happen if I just likedumped that in bleach. So well,
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now I'm curious. So Lionel isa research scientist. Okay, you guys,
and we're not going to go giveMinel hate because mine hate for this,
and I feel like he shouldn't livebecause he's a research scientist. So
he thinks his son is just curiousand wants to research shit. Lionel decided
to show Jeffrey how to safely bleachand preserve animal bones. He bought Jeffrey
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a chemistry set and was excited tohave something to bond with his son over
because Jeffrey was so like secluded inhimself, like so withdrawn. But then
when he showed an interest in somethingthat Lionel could also take interest in,
he was like, fuck yeah,like I can bond with my son over
this, of course. I mean, okay, in my opinion, all
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kids are somewhat curious about dead things. I mean, who hasn't when you
were a kid seen a dead birdand wanted to hold a funeral and all
of this stuff. And can Ijust say, Jennet Ortega, She's like,
oh yeah, I used to likedissect rats or whatever. She said,
some mad ship in an interview,and everybody was like, yes,
my queen. But when a dadand his son, okay, taking away
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the whole fact of what monster Jeffreygrew up to be or just curious about
like bones, like you know,they're vilified, literally, like Lionel was
vilified for showing Jeffrey what to dobecause of who Jeffrey turned out to be.
But obviously Lionel didn't think to himself, show him how to do this
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so that in the future he cankill like loads of people, you know
what I mean. Obviously not likelike an archaeologist or somebody who this is
their job, you know that.I mean, surely they showed some sort
of interest as a child as well, this is what I mean. So
I just thought, you know,like leave the man alone. He was
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just trying to like exactly. Youknow, y'all got those two amazing soundbites
from me and Megan in this episodealready you got Megan's bond of bones and
you got my iaho. Jeffrey wasobsessed with the noise the bones made when
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they shook, so he actually kepta bucket of bones and he called them
his fiddlesticks. No, yeah,that upsets me greatly. Jeffrey then started
to collect road kill and would justdie sect them and preserve them in his
quote clubhouse in the garden, whichwas just like the shed nicky Mouth club.
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Come inside, it's fun inside anhorror show. It's fucking and Jeffrey
Thomas day secting and preserving dead,already dead animals. Jeffrey then began decapitating
the dead animals, and he woulddisplay them on sticks. It's important to
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state here that he wasn't killing themhimself, he was all finding them already
dead. Well, that makes thedecapitation was better. I'm sorry, girl,
what the fuck? Imagine like youcame home and you found your fucking
child had decapitated a bunch of roadkilland put their heads on sticks, Like,
Mama, I made some art foryou. Happy brother's Day. I
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think the fuck Not no, we'regoing to plan c ye, But like,
on second, I don't think i'myour mom. Sorry. Jeffrey's mother
was bedbound a lot of the time, just by the amount of medication that
she was on, which was roughlytwenty tablet today. Like that's not great.
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Oh gosh, I feel for herkidneys, isn't it? Your kidney,
so that get affected by his parentswould argue a lot of the time,
and they wouldn't really pay much attentionto him. And then his mother
was like obsessed with David, butnot so much him. So Lionel stated
that when Jeffrey was eight years old, he was sexually abused by another boy
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in the neighborhood. However, Jeffreysaid that he didn't remember that ever happening,
so there's no proof. Wait saythat, so Lionel Jeffrey had been
abused. Lionel said that when Jeffreywas roughly eight, he was abused by
another boy in their neighborhood, butJeffrey was like, I don't think I
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was. I don't ever remember thathappening to me. See, there's two
different ways you could look at that. Then that it did happen, and
he Jeffrey reported it maybe at thetime and he just blocked it out,
or Lionel is trying to retrospectively defendJeffrey by saying, well, this happened,
maybe that's why. Yeah, Jeffreyhad a high IQ, but only
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ever had average or below average gradesin school. The only class Jeffrey ever
took an interest in was biology.He played the clarinet and tennis. Okay,
I can see him in a pairof tennis shorts. Jeffrey said that
by seventh grade he was drinking duringschool. By the age of twelve,
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he was drinking gin out of afask he kept in his locker, and
this is confirmed by some of hisat the time classmates. I feel like
that's just like that before two thousandsof the you know, I feel like
people were smoking cigarettes and getting crazyat school at a younger ages. Yeah,
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yeah, we're back then. Itwas like, he's probably just on
a tough day at school. Thefinger painting didn't go well today. So
whenever anyone questioned him on the flask, he would say that it was his
quote medicine, which like same,Like where did you learn that from?
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At the rival age of twelve,like a sweart cord. According to one
girl, she remembered Jeffrey drinking Scotchout of a styrofoam cup in the middle
of class. That's just hardcore though, but also horrible because I can imagine
the styrofoam would start to break downwith alcohol. No, I would have
thought, so, I'm not gonnalie, right, I find that hard
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to believe somewhat, just because likesurely the teacher would have smelled that.
Oh yeah, like that's against theopen container laws. If you're gonna drink
hard fucking alcohol, you need tohave it in a flask. Jeffrey,
Jesus Christ Christ, We're in aclass, Read it together. Jeffrey didn't
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really have many friends and mostly kepthimself. However, in school, in
order to get the attention from people, he would make odd noises at inappropriate
times in the middle of class andwe all know one of those guys.
He would also fake seizures and drawbody outlines in order to make his classmates
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laugh. Yeah, body outlines arehilarious. He then snuck into pictures of
all the different school clubs for theyearbook, so like just before they took
them, he would just like likea mere cat height that is that is
kind of funny. His friends,well quote friends, would pay him to
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do weird things out in public,and they would call it doing a Damer.
I really thought that that was like, you know, a high school
movie trope of like oh, youjust did a Megan because you did something
silly or stupid, like you knowyou're doing a X name, but okay,
doing a damer. It was aroundfourteen years old when Jeffrey realized that
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he was gay. As he cameout of puberty, he began having fantasies
of raping boys, which is veryconcerning because he's only fourteen years of age.
Yeah, to be at that ageand even know what rape is is
a horrible thing, but then tofantasize about it, it's like, what
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the fuck? Obviously, and I'mnot like obviously, We're in the seventies.
Now realizes he's gay. He's fantasizingabout raping boys. You're not going
to tell your father or your mother. I fantasize about raping boys. I
think I need help because that wouldtell them that you're gay. And it's
the seventies, and god forbid you'dbe gay in the seventies and dream about
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raping people. But also, yeoh, I can't tell. I can't
tell my parents that I might bea sexual predator because then they'll find out
I'm gay. I like boys,but like what I feel like those?
I get I know, I getit, but yeah, what At sixteen
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years old, Jeffrey noticed a guythat would jog near his home every day,
and Jeffrey began to fantasize about howhe wanted to knock the jogger unconscious
and rape them. And one daythe fantasy just became too much for Jeffrey
and he decided that he was goingto go hide in the in a bush
along the jogger's route with a baseballbat. So this guy literally ran the
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same like loop every single day formonths, so Jeffrey like knew at the
same time as well. So likeJeffrey knew exactly when he was going to
be running past. So he waslike got his little baseball bat and was
like matta to shoe. But Jeffreyit was nut because for so Jeffrey's plan
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was to jump out and hit thejogger unconscious, rape him, and then
murder him. But after waiting hours, the jogger never showed up. The
jogger just like randomly decided that dayto not go for a jog. After
jogging the same loop every single dayat the same time for months, he
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was like, that's insane. Actuallydoesn't take a break today. That's his
lucky day. That was his luckyCan you imagine like knowing like imagine you're
the jogger and you know that youtook that loop every day, and then
you hear this on the news likeyears later, wouldn't you just be like,
oh my god, Wow, Yeah, I don't know how i'd feel
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about that. I don't know howthat would make me feel at all.
It would make me feel so scared, but at the same time so grateful
to be on the earth because literally, like I don't know where, you
just decided not to go for ajog and that literally saved your life.
When exercising helps you live longer.Wait, no, when not exercising helps
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you live longer. So see,we're just saving our lives by not exercising,
you guys. Yeah, and youknow what, smoke the extra cigarette.
You'll live an extra day for everyone. Jeffrey went home extremely unsatisfied because
his fantasy he did not get tolive it out, so he was like,
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dark, I hate my life rightnow. Around this time, Jeffrey's
parents were fighting a lot despite beingin counseling, and eventually they decided to
divorce, and on July twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight, the divorce was
finalized. Both Lionel and Joyce chargedeach other with extreme cruelty and gross negligent
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of duty. So they both likeaccused one another and had their lawyers like
file charges of was their abuse andnow yes and no, So from like
what I researched, and that Lionelhad pushed Joyce several times, but Joyce
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had like tried to stab him witha knife at one point, and like
she was completely and utterly mental unstable. And I think you just realized exactly
how unstable she is when I readthis next bit. But she was completely
and utterly, like mentally unstable,and she would fly off the handle at
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Linel for like very minor things,and like she'd fly off the handle so
much so that then he would startyelling at her, which I know isn't
good. But then at the sametime his pushings were being his buttons were
being pushed, and then he likeand then I think at one point,
she like at one like during onealtercation, she like grabbed a knife to
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try to stab him. Okay,that's a lot and if you as a
child or witnessing any of this,obviously you can hear it at least,
but you know, she's on twentypills a day, and if okay,
so say they were fucking her upor you know, she misses one and
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that sucks up the whole the wholesystem. Yeah, like, so she
would fight with Linel a lot becausehe was working a lot, but he
had to work a lot to payall the bills because she couldn't work properly
because she was on twenty pills aday. So yeah, it's like a
tough and so then he would fightwith her because he'd be like, well,
you're just a no good hey,yeah, she births your two children,
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don't say that. Stop it.Well, she may have birthed them,
but Joyce was a awarded so soulcustody of their both well at the
time. So Jeffrey is now eighteen, but he's still in school. He
hasn't graduated yet, so he's justgone. He's not long after turning eighteen.
So Joyce is awarded custody of theyoungest son, David, along with
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alimony payments. Obviously, she's notawarded custody of Jeffrey because he is eighteen,
so he's classed as an adult.However, he is still in school.
He is you know, he's stilla child realistically. Yeah, but
he just in the eyes of thestate is considered an adult. Jeffrey came
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home one evening after school, shortlyafter Joyce won the court battle for David.
She was living in the house,so Lionel had moved out and was
living I think in a motel orsomething at the time, I'm not too
sure, but he had moved outanyway, so she was in the home
with the two kids while the courtbattle was like going on. So she
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won, and Jeffrey comes home tofind that his mother is packing up the
car and she is leaving with Davidto move to Wisconsin. Okay, and
she that's an interesting move. Shetold Jeffrey that she didn't want him right,
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that he was to stay in thehouse and her and David were to
go, but like, she didn'twant to bring him free house forever.
So, as I said, Lionelhad moved out of the family home during
the divorce, so Jeffrey was abandoned. He probably should have just called Lionel
and been like, hey, dad, like mom's gone, but he didn't.
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He panicked and he was like,what the fuck my parents? Essentially
both my parents have just left me, which, as much as he is
a shitty person, a shitty,But like, how long did it take
for Lionel to realize this? Becausemonths? If your son is still in
you mean you could have picked upthe phone, daddio. So Lionel had
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found himself a new fiance at thispoint, so he's like, fuck my
old life, Like who even isJeffrey? Like who are you? Who
are you? Even? My son? Who are you? Jeffrey was left
with no food, no money,and a broken fridge. Sorry but the
broken fridge headed make get into thisstory. Oh, it's just like,
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you know, like he didn't evenhave anywhere to store food. Here's no
food, here's no food. Hedidn't have any food. But if he
did have any he most certainly wouldn'thave had it for long. He graduated
from high school with a zero pointfive GPA, which I am told is
extremely bad. Shortly after graduating,Jeffrey would commit his first murder. On
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June eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight,Jeffrey picked up a hitchhiker, Stephen Mark
Hicks. Stephen was hitchhiking his wayto a concert when Jeffrey pulled over.
Jeffrey convinced Stephen to come over tohis house before the concert to have some
beers and smoke some weed and let'sjust be super cool, you guys.
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It is reported that they had consensualsex with one another, but this is
not proven. Okay, Steve eventhen wanted to leave for the concert.
So basically Jeffrey was like, cometo my house, let's have good drinks,
let's have smoked some weed, andthen I'm like, I'll totally drop
you off at the concert later.Yeah, let's just pregame it it.
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Yeah, And so times moving on, and Steven's like, hey, like
my concert is starting soon, solike I think I'll gotta go go head
out. M Jeffrey was trying toconvince Stephen to stay longer, but it
wasn't working. Like Stephen was like, I want to go. My concert
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start soon, Like you said you'ddrop me, and now you're not dropping
me, Like you got two wasted, I'm out of here. In a
panic, Jeffrey hit Stephen over thehead with a barbell twice. Jeffrey then
choked Stephen with the barbell. Jeffreythen stripped Stephen of all of his clothes
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and Matt sturbated over him, No, how do you do all of that?
But You're like, I was injust such a panic that I'm masturbated.
How do you Okay, So ifyou break this down, Stephen wanted
to leave, Jeffrey's like, no, don't leave me, and decides to
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go pick up the heaviest fucking thinghe can find in the house, a
barbell. It's over the head withit, not once, but twice,
yes, correct, then strangles himto death with it. Yes, how
do you even think to do thatin your head? And then just violates
Stephen as he's dying or dead.And I'll say, is that Karmer does
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come for Jeffrey in the end?Okay? So but yeah, I don't
fully don't. We're gonna let youponder over that while we take a quick
at break and we're back. Sothe next day, Jeffrey dissected Stephen's body.
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He put them in bin bags.He then loaded up the car with
the bags and decided that he wasgoing to bring them to the local dump.
By the time he is doing this, it is late at night,
because it like literally took him thewhole entire day to dissect Stephen's body.
Jeffrey had been drinking while he wasdoing this, so by the time he
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was leaving the house. He wasactually quite drunk. On the way to
the dump, Jeffrey got pulled overby police because the car was swerving onto
the other side of the road.Jeffrey told police that he had been doing
some yard work and that he wasbringing the clippings to the dump. It's
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because they could see the bin bagsand the back seat of the car and
they're like, what you do intheir palm? And he was like,
oh, nothing, just I wasdoing some yardwork for my mom and dad.
I just they asked me to bringthe clippings to the dump. The
police could tell that he'd drink onthem, so they told him to turn
his car around and go home andbring the bring the clippings the next morning.
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Oh yeah, you're absolutely twisted fuckingdrunk. You're like eighteen, so
you shouldn't even be having a drinkanyway. But I guess it's the seventies,
So like, who cares, Getback in your car, turn around
and endanger the lives of other drivers, Get your ass back home. Great
a police work here, yep,we can't even I can't even give out
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to them over the bags. That'sa different story because it's like, would
you check it no police officers clippingsexactly, you don't. You don't fucking
expect that a drunk as body partsin the back of his car, but
sending him home, like, couldyou not have put him in a cell
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for the night to sober up?So Jeffrey got home and decided to smash
Steven's bones into tiny pieces, eventurning some of them to dust and scattering
them around his back garden and thewoods behind his back garden. At the
home, no one suspected any sortof a crime had ever happened, and
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Stephen Hicks was reported missing by hisfamily. They would have to wait thirteen
years to find out what happened totheir son, God thirteen years. Several
weeks later, Lionel decided to visithis children because he wanted to introduce them
to his new fiance, Sherry.Why is Sherry always the name? And
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then this is when Lionel learned thatJoyce had abandoned Jeffrey and took David to
a new state. Because he probablywanted Sherry to meet David. Yeah,
he was thinking about Joyce. Hewas bringing them, He was bringing Sherry
to meet David and Jeffrey. Andthen he got there and basically just spend
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Jeffrey living in a ship hole.And did he do anything to help him
or was he just like he tookall right, okay, I'm going home.
No, he gathered, he gotJeffrey to gather his things and was
like, okay, look, listen, you clearly can't stay here by yourself.
Like house was in like ruins,recking round, Like he's an eighteen
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year old boy. Do you thinkthat boy knew how to fucking clean a
dish? No, but he knewhow to bleach bones what you know what
I mean? Like he was probablywearing the same shirt for the last three
months anyway, Oh so dirty DamerSo Lionel and Sherry were like, come
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live with us, you know,like, come on off we go.
Well, we'll fix it. SoJeffrey had graduated from high school with such
a terrible GPO that he hadn't actuallyenrolled in any COLLEGESPO. Listener, I
know the Easter Rising is always inour heads. The GPO. Just for
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those who don't know, it's theGeneral Post Office. Yeah, m a
fun fact. It had bullet holesin it from the Easter Rising. That's
all I know that they were likein there in the Easter Rising, some
people were and then other people wereshooting at I don't know what happened,
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Okay, I meant to say GPA. He graduated from high school with a
terrible GPA, and he hadn't evenenrolled in any colleges because, like he
was, like, what's the point, They're not going to take me.
So Lionel decided to help Jeffrey,and he got him into Ohio State University
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to study business. Jeffrey was extremelyunproductive here. He was drinking every day
and he was early turning up toclasses. Lionel had paid for Jeffrey's second
term upfront in advance, but Jeffreywas actually doing so pearly that they asked
him to leave the college during hisfirst term, not even his first semester.
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His first term was Lionel pisted,Yeah, yeah, he paid for
the second semester upfront and Jeffrey didn'teven make it through the first term.
That's it. I'm sending you backto Nickey Mouse's clubhouse. You can't live
here with me and Sherry anymore.Go back to your ship hole. He
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only completed three months of college,more than may I mean you imagine judge.
I didn't even go I'll judge alot because it's Jeffrey, Jeffrey Dammer.
Then, in January nineteen seventy nine, Lionel persisted that Jeffrey had to
do something with his life, sohe enrolled him into the army. Jeffrey
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went for basic training in Fort McClellanin Anniston, Alabama. He then went
on to train as a medical specialistat Fort sam Houston in San Antonio,
Texas. On July thirteenth, thirteenth, nineteen seventy nine, Jeffrey was deployed
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to West Germany, where he wasthe combat medic. In March nineteen eighty
one, Jeffrey was deemed unsuitable frommilitary service and was honorably discharged. His
alcoholism was so bad that it startedto affect his work, and in twenty
ten, a soldier claimed that hewas stationed in Germany with Jeffrey, and
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he claimed that Jeffrey reported repeatedly rapedhim over a seventeen month period. The
soldier did not report the crime atthe time, but sadly, oh no
sorry. The soldier did report thecrime, but sadly no one took him
seriously. It is believed that hewas not Jeffrey's only victim while stationed in
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Germany. What you're telling me they'recovering up crimes in the military unheard of.
I'm sure. My pearls, mypearls. So basically they just were
like, oh, Keane, heis drinking all the time. He's supposed
to be the combat medic and he'sdrunk all the time. So he's drunk
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all the time. And then ontop of that, then you have several
people people reporting him for like sexuallyas halting him. So it's reported that
what he would do is he wouldinvite them into his like I don't know
his tent, I don't know,I don't know what they were living in.
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He would basically invite them into hisbedroom where he'd be like, I'll
give you a pill to like helpyou, like you know, like give
you the effects of weed or stufflike that, and they were like that
sounds cool, and then he woulddrug them and then he would rape them
while they were like out of it. Oh, that's horrific. And I've
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only heard of this one guy comingforward, but I don't know, like
there could be more that did comeforward. There could be more that did
report it. I don't know.Again, it's nineteen eighty one by the
time he's discharged, so it's likea case of like, oh, but
then they'll think I'm gay. Yeah. Jeffrey was given a plane ticket to
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anywhere in America and by the Armyin order for him to get home from
Germany. Jeffrey panicked and didn't wantto tell his father about being discharged,
so he decided to go to MiamiBeach, Florida. Oh, he just
went for a little little holiday,a little vacation. He got a job
at a sandwich shop and rented aroom at a local motel. He spent
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most of his wages on drink andwas quickly evicted from the motel. Jeffrey
slept homeless on the beaches of Miami, drinking for a few weeks before deciding
to call his dad. He askedLionel if he could come home to Ohio
in September nineteen eighty one, Soessentially he realized that Miami was not working
(43:45):
out. He lost his job eventuallyat the sandwich shop, and then he
had lost his room in the motel, so he was just like living rough
on the beaches, like drinking everyday, and then it was kind of
like, should probably go home,Yeah, you should do that, and
then she was like, Daddy,can I come home? Are you and
(44:07):
Sherry please? Jeffrey moved back inwith Lionel and Sherry. Jeffrey was still
drinking very heavily, and he wasarrested for drunk and disorderly conduct. He
was fined sixty dollars and a tenday suspended jail sentence. Lionel attempted to
help Jeffrey get sober, but hewas unsuccessful. Lionel ran out of patience
(44:30):
with Jeffrey and decided it would bebest if he went and he lived with
his grandmother in West Alice in Wisconsin. And I will say, to be
fair to Lionel, he got himinto college that didn't work out, so
we got him to join the armybecause he was like, you have to
do something. That didn't work out. Came home and he tried to help
(44:50):
him get sober, and that wasn'tworking out, and so I think he
just was like, I don't knowwhat to do anymore. So then he
was like, maybe you should gostay with your grandmother because well she was
living alone, so to have someonelive with her would be super helpful,
and then on top of that,then she would be able to try kind
(45:12):
of keep him on the straight andnarrow per se. Jeffrey loved his grandmother
and she was probably the only familymember that Jeffrey would actually show affection to.
To start off, everything was goingreally well with his grandmother. He
was helping her with the chores,and he would attend church with her.
However, Jeffrey was still drinking,and on August eighth, nineteen eighty two,
(45:38):
Jeffrey was arrested for indecent exposure ata Wisconsin state fair. He exposed
himself to twenty He exposed himself totwenty five people, including children. I's
gonna say as soon as you saidat the state fair, like that's the
kids m Jeffrey was convicted, didand charged a fifty dollars fine plus court
(46:01):
costs, So I don't know howmuch he actually ended up the pain.
How did he get less lesser finefor indecent exposure than he did for a
drunken disorderly merca? Oh, youjust flashed a bunch of kids, that's
fine, but hey, you're actinga little bit crazy outside a bar.
(46:22):
How dare you. Jeffrey got ajob at a blood plasma center, but
he was fired after ten months thereand it was reported, and I don't
know how true this is, butit was reported that he was like stealing
the blood. Oh it's okay,all right, I can count down there.
(46:43):
According to the Netflix Evan Peters series, he was drinking it. But
I don't know how true that is, but he Yeah. In nineteen eighty
five, Jeffrey got a job asa mixer at an ambrosia factory where he
would work the night shift, sohe basically was in charge of like a
(47:04):
giant mixers ambrosia like creamed rice.Yeah, I thought that was irish.
Oh creamed Okay, for the record, it's fucking disgusting. Well, they
don't do just creamed rice. Theydo like puddings as well and stuff anything
(47:27):
I have had no, Well,that's because Jeffrey Dahmer worked there in the
eighties. Tainted it forever. Jeffreywas arrested in Milwaukee for lude and las
facious acts in September nineteen eighty six. Jeffrey had been caught masturbating in front
(47:52):
of two twelve year old boys.Keep your fucking dick in your pants,
and this stands for Jeffrey forever.Just keep your fucking dicking your pants and
all of your problems will be like, at least halved Jeffrey. At least
Jeffrey was going into a eunuch.Just cut it off, let's sort everything
(48:15):
out. Tell you. Jeffrey wasgoing to get a one year sentence.
However, he told the judge thathe was just urinating and that he was
unaware that anyone could see him.Yeah, don't don't You have to pump
your penis to urinate, right,that's how you get the pout m must
be. The judge decided to changethe charges to disorderly conduct, and he
(48:39):
was sentenced to one year's probation.YEP. By late nineteen eighty five,
Jeffrey began going out to gay barsand clubs and started going to local bathhouses,
which are I had to research becauseI was like, what the fuck
is that bath house? And itis basically like not even motels. It's
(49:06):
basically just what looked like motels.You rent a room to have sex in
and then you leave. But they'relike for gay people mostly why are they
called bathhouses? So? Because Idon't know, like doing the opposite of
getting clean, you get nasty.Well, I get dirty. Yeah.
(49:30):
Maybe that's why they were called bathhousesfor the irony like a blowjob, because
you don't blow, you suck.Yeah. Oh my god, I never
thought of that, right. Jeffreystarted to become more sexually active, and
he would get frustrated at how muchhis sexual partners would like to move and
(49:55):
talk during sex. Oh yeah,that's the worst. Don't you hate it
when they just move? Yeah,like when they're an active participant in sex.
Oh terrible, terrible. You wantme to have sex with you?
No, thank you. I'd likeyou to resist a little. Yeah,
(50:15):
if you could just like really pretendthat you don't want me here right now.
That just really helped me. Hebegan to fantasize about them being incapacitated.
Quote. I trained myself to viewpeople as objects of pleasure instead of
people. Okay. This was whenJeffrey started to drug his sexual partners and
(50:40):
then rape them. Jeffrey almost overdosedone of his partners and an ambulance had
to be called, and after this, Jeffrey's membership was revoked and he was
barred from all bathhouses if he wasdoing this already in the military like he's
experienced. Jeffrey began using hotels andmotels after this, And it was around
(51:04):
this time Jeffrey had read in thepaper about the death of a local eighteen
year old boy. Jeffrey thought aboutdigging up the boy's body to take it
home and to keep it, butaccording to Jeffrey, the ground was too
hard and frozen, so he gaveup and he went home. So did
(51:27):
he actually go to the site,And apparently where does that end? So
we're at a point now where he'salready committed his first murder in the military,
has been using drugs so that hecan sexually assault people. He has
now come home, is living withhis grandmother, has already been arrested multiple
(51:47):
times and been in court multiple times, and now he's been banned from all
of the bathhouses because he nearly killedsomebody. Yeah, it is like,
how does one do all this inso little years? On November twentieth,
(52:09):
nineteen eighty seven, Jeffrey picked uptwenty five year old Stephen to me at
a local bar. Jeffrey convinced Stephento spend the night with him at the
Ambassador Hotel because obviously he couldn't goback to a bathhouse. Jeffrey's plan was
to drug and rape Stephen. However, the next morning, Jeffrey woke up
(52:30):
to cut some bruises on his hands, and he found Stephen had been so
badly beaten that his chest had beencrushed in. That's horrific. Stephen had
been beaten beyond recognition and blood wascoming from his mouth. Jeffrey claimed he
never intended on killing Stephen and hehad no memory of any of it.
(52:54):
Why did they always say that?They always say I have no memory of
at least one of their murders.And it's like, he literally confessed to
have everything. So it's like,why are you saying you don't remember this
one? Like do you actually notremember because you did confess to everything?
(53:15):
Or are you genuinely just having uson for a laugh because you just don't
want to admit to this one?Yeah? Why this one? Because I
feel like, no matter how drunkor how high you get, I feel
like you're going to remember something likeviciously beating some to death. Jeffrey thought
(53:36):
maybe he had gotten blackout drunk andtried to take Steven's heart out from his
chest, so Jeffrey was like.Jeffrey was like, I think I just
got like so drunk and so outof it, and that in my out
of its state, I just musthave wanted his heart. That's just still
no excuse, though obously it's noexcuse to kill anybody ever, but to
(53:57):
be like, I'm black out,draw I can't remember what I did last
night. No, it's not normalto want to take somebody's hurt from their
chest. No, it's not.And I have never in my twenty five
years of life seeing somebody that hasbeen black out drunk, like to the
(54:19):
point where they genuinely might not rememberthe night, but actually still then be
able to stand up and move andlike make movements what's the word, like,
I know what you mean, Likethey purposeful movement. They would be
very sloppy. He wouldn't be ableto, in my opinion, do something
(54:42):
as calculated exactly. Jeffrey then wentand bought two large suitcases and to put
Stephen's body in. So he putStephen's body in one and then he put
any evidence off the crime in theother. He then got a taxi back
to his grandmother's eyes. The taxi, the taxi man was helping. Jeffrey
(55:04):
put his bags in the boot ofthe taxi and joked about how heavy the
bags were, commenting, quote,you'd think there was a body in there.
God, can you imagine being thattaxi driver. And again, like
the jogger hearing the story years later, and maybe he doesn't even remember like
doing or saying that, but andit's like so true because when it's like
(55:25):
when you have like a heavy suitcase, it's like, yay, is what
you gotten there? A dead body? Yeah? You know, it's the
thing you say. Yeah. Jeffreythen hid Steven's body in the basement of
his grandmother's house for a few days. So from what I can gather,
(55:46):
his grandmother's house had a basement,and in the basement there was like a
seller Okay it was jef Ramsey says. Like the Ramsey says, they had
like a wine cellar in there,kind of like the wine cellar in the
basement, but like it wasn't usedfor wine. But that's where he stored
(56:09):
the body, and he stored itthere for a few days before severing the
head and limbs from the torso.Jeffrey then took all of the bones from
the body and cut the body intosmall pieces. He then put all of
the pieces into a bag and thenput them out for trash collection. He's
(56:29):
so brave in the sense that hedoesn't he's so sure of himself that nobody's
going to look in the bag.Jeffrey smashed all the bones, but he
decided to keep Stephen's head. Jeffreyhad Steven's head wrapped in a blanket for
two weeks. He then attempted topreserve it by boiling it in a bleach
(56:53):
mixture in order to keep it formasturbation purposes, thankfully, and however,
the bones became too brittle after beingboiled and he had to just dispose of
the skull with the rest of thebones. Stephen was reported missing by his
family in December nineteen eighty seven,and Stephen is still considered a missing person
(57:16):
to this day because his body wasnever actually discovered. Jeffrey did admit to
murdering Stephen, but like there wasno evidence to ever prove that Jeffrey and
Stephen ever even met up together,other than Jeffrey saying, yeah, know
(57:37):
that I killed him. Yeah,And by the end, Jeffrey was chasing
a lot of notoriety so you neverknow. Yeah, Stephen had given Jeffrey
a taste for murder. And it'sstrange because the first murder freaked him out
(58:01):
and like scared him almost like hewas kind of like, what the fuck
did I just do? And howdid I just do that? And what
was wrong with me for doing that? And then it's like, all these
years later, he accidentally then killsStephen to me. Well, like quote
unquote accidentally kills Stephen to me,and it like instead of freaking him out,
(58:24):
gave him a taste for it.Yeah, like the first time around,
well, the first time around hehad to have liked it to a
degree because he masturbated and he did. But then I think it was the
aftermath then he was like, ohmy god, like what the like,
So with the first murder I heard, like I read and researched that he
(58:46):
like originally was trying to hide that'sStephen's body under the house and then panic
because then he was like, no, like what if an animal finds it
and then drags it out? Andhow do I explain? And the smell
and he like was freaking out andhe was like, what's the best way
to get rid of this? Andlike was I can't believe I've done this,
(59:07):
like oh my god, like holyshit. Like with the first murder,
it was like the initial killing turnedhim on and then he freaked out.
But then with this murder, hedidn't have the like freak out as
such. Yeah, and instead yeah, instead he was a case of like
(59:30):
might like to do that again,and thus began his years long spray.
How would that even? I knowwhere Jeffrey got it from, because he'd
done it in his childhood to adegree, I know she's saying that together.
(59:51):
Yeah, to be like, mm, I preserve animals this way,
so I should like definitely try topreserve this human head so that I can
use it for purposes. And Imean, we can all use our imagination
as to what the hell he wasgoing to do with that head. Leave,
No, I don't want to usemy imagination. It's a dark place.
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Yeah, well prepare for it toget a whole lot darker next week
when we discuss all of his victims. It is a dark, dark place.
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