March 11, 2023 • 51 mins
This week, Niamh tells us all about Jeffrey Dahmer, a monster who killed at least 17 men over a span of about 13 years.
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Niamh's souces:
wikiwomenshealthmag.org
vault.fbi.gov
crimemuseum.org
history.com
criminalminds.fandom.org
britannia.com
eu.beaconjournal.com
digitalcommons.chapman.edu
biography.com
murderpedia.org
menshealth.com
eu.usatoday.com
aubtu.biz
archive.seattletimes.com
nytimes.com
apnews.com
sportskeeda.com
yahoo.com
netflix jeffrey dahmer confession tapes
inside edition interview youtube
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I'm also I'm just gonna apologize inadvance, Cottle turn on the dishwasher.
God damn it, cattle she hadgurgling over there between your dishwasher and your
fridge. They'd be singing the songof their people. They'd be like,
feature of not for free, okay, unbranded dishwasher. I'm like, they
probably have a brand, but Irefused to say the brand on this show
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point sponsors. They're gonna be like, y'all need some chill here, have
a mini fridge. I wouldn't sayno to a mini fridge of them being
I love a mini fridge. Wherewould I put it, I don't know,
but i'd find us. I feellike I want a mini fridge for
all of the times that I don'thave barbecues. You know, back in
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the day when we'd have people over, we had a little mini fridge and
we would like plug it in anextension need so that it could commit so
trash and just put alcohol in it. Oh let you say that, But
in my old home house we hada drinks fridge. Oh yes, capt
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fucking tigger, let's go. Thosewere the dates, Oh say radio,
anyway, let's introduce ourselves. Hi, welcome back to give us Mark,
me him, Megan and you arelistening to another episode and we appreciate that
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where openings are always so weird.I did it stretched off slow, you
know, and then by the endof it it's like, oh god,
please think it stop. Oh wait, I have a pause phone. Anyways,
welcome back, and you're in forit. So it's I'm just gonna
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say, you've done this to yourself. Yeah, there's not gonna be any
any laughs this week. I knowlast week we kind of we could get
away with a bit of the funnieshere and there. M Yeah, however,
not so much this episode. AndI will put I will say just
a little disclaimer. Some of whathappens here is not so great and happens
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to quite young boys. So ifthat is too much for you, I
really do advise that you turn away, because like, I get it,
I researched it. I never thenget you know. That was one of
Linda's favorite songs and so my welive obviously in the same time as Megan
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does now, but before that weloved up in Dublin and we used to
travel to go see like my relativesup there because all my relatives are from
Dublin, and I've spent many anight in the backseat of the care because
I was only like eight, tooyoung to be the front you know yourself,
And Linda does beat the last andturn around bride guys. No,
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mine was, um, Shania Twain, that was I'm Pink. My mom
loved Pink as well. Pink ispretty awesome, so I'll give her that.
I would take Shania Twain over Pinkand a heartbeat. I am like
music wise, Pink's new stuff nowtoday, absolutely her older stuff like um,
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I'm coming so you better get thestart. I'm kinda that was pop.
Yeah, that still goes hard.Oh my god. Yeah, but
you know Shania Twain, Let's gogirls. No, no, no,
no, nothing will ever beat thefeeling, just the like I don't like
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the lightning that just takes over mybody when she's like, let's go girls,
It's just like, oh yeah,I'll go fucking Faraoh like a rabid
animal. It's like yeah, Andthen the song's over and you're like,
where am I. He've tunneled throughlike three houses, You've made it through
a fucking dumpster. You like wakeup in the middle of a Field and
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you're just like, how did Iget here? It's my place? Sni
are Twain And yeah, well thatwas a music hour with Give Us More.
Last week, a movie hour wehad, No, we had a
movie hour the week before last,and then we had music hour last week
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with Power and now we're back toYeah, next week I will be able
to tell you about um a playbecause we're going to see Misery in the
Amazing is great. Wait is itgoing to be an English or I don't
know? So I okay. Thead came open my Facebook and it didn't
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mentioned what language it was going tobe in. And it's either going to
be Maltese, which is going tobe amazing, which is like I'm not
going to understand a single fucking word, or it's going to be in English
with Maltese accent I assume unless they'vedone like some training to get rid of
their accent. Either way, iconic, it's going to be amazing. Last
week, Oh my god, lastweek for Valentine's Day? Did I mention
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this last recording? I don't knowif you did or know that we went
to go we went to go seea magician. No did I tell you?
No? You didn't tell me aboutthis magician. Oh okay, so
for Valentine' So I was like,I really wanted to be special and we
never celebrate Valentine. I really wantedto be special. Well you know,
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so the place is called Chamber ofMysteries, right, and we get dinner
on the show. Right. Cool? We go. So we have this
little old man as our waiter,and I didn't know what to get from
my main and I was like,would you get the risotto or the chicken
breast? And he looks at Nileand he like cups his own chest and
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he's like, I'm I'm a breastman. I prefer the breast, like,
oh okay. And then he comesto dessert and like we're having wine.
So when they ask us if wewant coffee, we're like no,
no, it's okay, thank you. He goes to Nile. He cold
like goes to half whisper into hisear and it's like, are you sure
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you don't want to stay up tonightfor the day? That's in it?
Dirty old man? Yeah, butlike you done it in a funny way.
So it was like ha ha,you know butt, And I was
like, excuse me, sir,I am still in my prime get home
falls asleep. But it was.It was very good in all and would
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recommend a great night if you don'twant to go out and just get drunk
for your date. Just that soundshonestly to be honest. Oh, he
got us both involved in the actualshow itself. It was a wild time
anyway. Now the magic portion isofficially over, so let's get into the
case. So obviously last week wetalked about Last week we talked about his
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early life and like his childhood,growing up and all that stuff, and
we also talked about his first twomurders. So yeah, I guess this
week we're just gonna delve more intoit. And I have a funny feeling
it might possibly have to be threeparts just because there is a there is
a lot here unfortunately, so I'mjust gonna literally jump straight in. On
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January sixteenth, nineteen eighty eight,Jeffrey met fourteen year old Jane James Docks
to tour outside of a nightclub.Jeffrey offered James fifty dollars to spend the
night with him. The pair wentback to Jeffrey's grandmother's house and they had
sex. Because Jeffrey is still livingin his grandmother's spare room at this moment
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in time. At about four am, James told Jeffrey that he had to
start heading home because at the endof the day he is only fourteen.
So he's like, yeah, no, like, I actually can't stay the
night, Like I have to gohome. Yeah. Jeffrey offered him one
last drink and he spiked it.James passed out in Jeffrey's arms. Jeffrey
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then strangled James to death. Hethen put James's body in the basement and
came back up and he had breakfastwith his grandmother. I don't understand.
This is his third murder. He'sdone it right under his grandmother's own nose,
and then he just goes opened casuallyhas breakfast literally with her. For
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about a week after the murder,Efrey would go down to the basement at
night and he would lay with James'sbody. So James's body is still there
a week after the murder. SurelyJeffrey's grandmother is starting to think, okay,
two things, so they're starting tosmell and then also, what is
he going down there for? Oh, like he'd wait until she'd go to
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bed to go down like, butalso, yes, she does definitely notice
a smell. Okay. He eventuallycrushed all of the bones and cut the
body into small pieces and he putthem out for the trash. His grandmother
started to notice a smell in thehouse, and it was because he was
trying to preserve James's skull, butonce again it became true to brittle and
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he had to throw it away.And any time that his grandmother would be
like, Jeffrey, what is thatrancher ass smell, He'd be like,
oh, I'm just doing taxidermy becausethat's what the father had shown him years
go. So he was like,that's just my hobby and it can't smile
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and I'm sorry about that. Andthe grandmother was just like, right,
okay, I mean sure, Iguess I don't know. Maybe it's different
because you know, he was doingit and his dad's done it. But
I'd be like, in my home, no, and you can also show
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me what you're doing, because whatyou know, do you get me?
I would want to see it.I one thousand percent. And look,
I think for her it was acase of she was just like an old
lady who was just like right,Okay, he's just doing taxidermy. It's
just a weird kid. I guess. Imagine you live your whole life and
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it's relatively normal, and then yourfucking grandson moves in when you're elderly and
like supposed to be living your bestlife, and he's fucking murdering people in
your head, and then you justthink it's taxidermy, and you're like,
oh, I guess, okay,I guess. I mean you're weird.
Whatever it means. You're not outlike drinking, So that's good. Which
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would you prefer? I would rathermy house didn't smell of dead people.
But she doesn't know it's dead people. She thinks it's dead rodents. I'm
just gonna say that's still just bad. Like In February nineteen eighty eight,
a month after the murder of James, Jeffrey tried to pick up twenty seven
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year old Bobby Dwayne Simpson the Pyramidat a bar and Jeffrey took him home.
Jeffrey tried to spike Bobby's drink.However, the drugs were off quicker
than expected because Bobby is a twentyseven year old man, not a fourteen
year old child, so they don'ttake the same dosage. Jeffrey, God,
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Jeffrey, Jeffrey really done a damneron that one. Huh, silly
goose. Jeffrey had no other optionthan to just let him leave unharmed,
and he just was like, ohwow, you must have just got really
drunk. Bobby was just like fuckingout of here. On March twenty fourth,
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nineteen eighty eight, Jeffrey met twentytwo year old Richard Guerrero at a
bear Jeffrey offered Richard some money tospend the night with him. He then
drugged Richard and strangled him to deathbefore crushing his bones and disposing of the
body. Sorry, that was likeover in the blink of an eye.
Yeah, a lot of these willbe because there is just honestly, there's
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a lot of them. So hekind of he just he has the same
mo for pretty much all of it. And sometimes he hangs on to their
body for a little while, andthen sometimes he just discards of it like
immediately. And I don't mean thisto send recrued and like disrespectful to some
of the victims. I think ithad mostly to do with how attracted he
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was to them, is how longhe would keep them. Well, that's
not just based on sexual preferences,because he would take not sexual physical appearances,
he would take time to get toknow them before he'd done anything.
I found it like sometimes right,yeah, no, Like he doesn't have
like a sexual preference, as in, like he doesn't like prefer a particular
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like hair type. Yeah, hedoesn't have a type. But I think
the more attracted he was to acertain person, the longer he would hold
on to their body and try preservethat, where then other times it was
just more so the thrill of thekill and the disposing of it, if
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you get me, m I thinkit just depended on his mood, which
is gross as fuck. So thefollowing weekend, Jeffrey took home another man,
twenty five year old Ronald Flowers Junior. However, when they got back
to the house, Jeffrey's grandmother wasstill awake, and she shouted down the
stairs, jet is that you,Jeff? Like she was like, fuck's
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going on? Because any other timehe brought someone back like she was past
the fuck out of sleep because shewas an old lady living her best life
as she should. Jeff told hisgrandmother he was making a cup of coffee,
and he sent her back to bed. He gave Ronald a spiked cup
of coffee, but felt too nervousabout killing him. With his grandmother awake,
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he helped a drugged up Ronald toa bus stop. He then put
Ronald on a bus and left himalone at a random ass destination. So
he walked this man to a bus, put him on the bus, and
then he went home. And thebus was at like the last top,
and you know, it was likesorry to get off now. It was
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better than the alternative. Oh absolutely. Several days later, Ronald woke up
in the hospital with no memory ofhow he got there. Ronald told police
about the last thing that he couldremember, which was going home with a
man named Jeffrey Dahmer. The nextday, police called to visit Jeffrey and
they questioned him about Ronald, butobviously Jeffrey just told him that Ronald had
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too much to drink and he triedto help him to a bus stop,
and whatever happened after that, Jeffreycouldn't be sure. The police had no
evidence that Jeffrey had done any harmto Ronald, so they just dropped the
investigation, which listen I get theguy had no physical harm on him,
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So how do you prove that Jeffreydid drug him? Do you know what
I mean? Yeah, I wouldn'tsay they're like running any you know,
talks screens on his blood. Likeif he admitted he had been drinking and
stuff like that. As soon aspolice would have heard that he went home
with another guy, they would havejust straight up lost interest. M Jeffrey's
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grandmother had asked Jeffrey if he couldmove out because the smell in the basement
was just too bad. And againhe was claiming that this was from taxidermy.
Like she was like, hunt,sweetie, cutie pie, I love
you, but the fuck is thatsmell? Get out of my house?
Please say I can't take it nomore. She's right, Like to they
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put, how weird is it thatyou would have to go and tell your
friends at Bingo that you had tokick your son out because your grandson out
because the smell from his taxidermy wasstinking up your house so bad. Yeah,
Like, I'm not gonna want totell Susie about that. No,
Jeffrey managed to find himself an apartmentand on September twenty sixth, nineteen eighty
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eight, Jeffrey met thirteen year oldsome sack synthosom phone. He asked some
Sack if he would be interested inearning some money. Keep in mind he
is thirteen. All he had todo was let Jeffrey take some pictures of
him. Jeffrey offered him fifty dollarsfor one hour. Some Sack asked if
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these photos would have to be nude, and Jeffrey told him that it didn't
matter whichever he was more comfortable with. Some Sack agreed and went over to
Jeffrey's apartment to take some polaroid pictures. Jeffrey then gave the young boy a
spiked coffee. Before the drugs hadfully kicked in, Jeffrey began trying to
take off some sex's clothes. Theyoung boy quickly copped on to what Jeffrey
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was trying to do, and hemanaged to escape Jeffrey's apartment and he ran
all the way home. He managedto make it home before passing out from
the drugs. His parents rang thepolice immediately, because first of all,
it's the thirteen year old son,like what the hell? And then second
of all, he wasn't like akid that was into drugs. Yeah,
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I mean he's only a baby.Sum Sack was able to show the police
where Jeffrey lived, like he wasable to tell them like where he went.
And the police then searched Jeffrey's apartmentand they found a bottle of sleeping
pills and the photos that Jeffrey hadmanaged to take off some Sack. Jeffrey
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was then arrested for second degree sexualharassment. He spent six days in jail
before Lionel posted his bail. Lionelthen hired Gerald Boyle to represent Jeffrey in
the trial. Gerald ordered Jeffrey toundergo a psychological evaluation. This brought to
light Jeffrey's deep feelings of alienation andhow he was an impulsive individual. However,
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Jeffrey was found guilty of the crime, and while he was awaiting Entenson,
he committed another murder. The absoluteneck like he is no that you
just said, He's was literally provento be impulsive, like he is absolutely
no control, like he's just yeah, I'm just gonna go do that.
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And so before we do do that, we'll just jump on into and I'd
break On March twenty fifth, nineteeneighty nine, Jeffrey met twenty four year
old Anthony Sears. Jeffrey claimed hehad knock gone out with the intention of
picking up a victim when Anthony quotejust started looking at me. Oh he
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was really asking for it. Huh, Please note my sarcasm. He made
eye contact, you know, obviously. Yeah, Jeffrey brought Anthony back to
his home and had sex with him. When Anthony tried to leave. Afterwards,
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Jeffrey drugged him and strangled him todeath. Jeffrey then disposed of the
body, but he kept the headand his genitals. That makes me violently
uncomfortable. I'm so sorry there hadto happen to that man. He put
them in his locker at work,his work locker. What First of all,
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who's hiring fucking Jeffrey Dahmer. Heworks at the Ambrosia factory, remember,
and yes, Ambrosier, that's foryou. No, it is.
But why is your rice pudding sogross? Anyway? Trusting? Yeah,
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I don't know if it's the sameambrosia, to be perfectly honest, very
well might not be to bring itto work, even though you have your
own apartment at this stage. It'sbecause he knew he was like about to
be sentenced to Oh yeah, Iforgot m Yeah. So he was like,
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it'll be safe in my work locker, as if they're not ever going
to look there, and it's notgoing to start to smell. And your
manager doesn't have an extra key tierwork locker, and if he doesn't,
he's not going to get a locksmith, and they're not going to find the
genitals and head that you have.They don't what they don't find the genital
holes in head. Ah, that'swhat's most annoying. No, like they
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like, I mean like his boss, like nobody ever like is like,
what's the smell coming from jeff locker? I mean with an ambrosia factory,
probably stinks like shit anyway. OnMay twenty third, nineteen eighty nine,
Jeffrey was sentenced to five years probation, one year's jail time with work release.
What was that name? What wasthat date? Again? May twenty
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third, that's my birthday and alsotwo days after Jeffrey's birthday, So get
fucked happy birthday, bitch. Hegot five years probation with one year's jail
time, and with that jail timework release. That meant that Jeffrey was
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allied out of prison to attend worksix days a week. You just go
in to serve your silly little jailtime for your silly little crime one day
a week. How is nettin?Jeffrey was then released from prison two months
early in March nineteen ninety. Heonly had to do twelve months jail time,
and he only did ten for tryingto sexually assault a thirteen year old
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boy. I'meric mercle. Can't evensay anything because like everywhere, I mean,
Arland was covering up babies murders atthat stage, so like we have
our own ship. But you know, you know, yeah. Jeffrey had
got leniency from the judge by writinga letter in which he stated that quote,
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I'm an alcoholic and a homosexual withsexual problems. We're just stating the
obvious facts here, kid, don'tsay. Lionel had also written a letter
to the judge asking to help Jeffrey. So basically this letter was like,
look, listen, my boys troubled. I'm well aware my boys troubled,
but like, please don't do thisto him, and like we'll get him
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into shape. And the judge waslike, you know what, that sounds
good to me the military. TheUS Army could not get this boy into
shape. But Lionel's like, I'lldo it. Lionel, you couldn't even
keep him. You've shipped him offto your grandmother's or to your mother's.
Lionel does not whip him into shape. When Jeffrey was released from prison,
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he got himself an apartment at OxfordApartments in Milwaukee. Shortly after moving in
in May nineteen ninety, just twomonths after being released from prison, Jeffrey
met thirty three year old Raymond Smithat a local nightclub. Jeffrey offered Raymond
fifty dollars to go back to hisapartment to take some pictures. Once they
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got into Jeffrey's apartment, Raymond wasimmediately drugged, and Jeffrey then proceeded to
strangle him to death. Jeffrey thentook photos of Raymond's body posed in different
positions as a little memento, youknow, for later on. That's just
so upsetting. Jeffrey then set upa shrine in his room. This was
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somewhere for him to keep the skullsof his victims. He hung up a
black tablecloth and a winged mythical creatureto symbolize the devil. I can't remember
what that creatures called, but youknow it, He later said, quote
it was my way of remembering theirhearings, their physical beauty. I also
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wanted to keep them. If Icouldn't keep them there with me whole,
at least I could keep their skeleton, all right. YEA, just feeling
here that you have abandonment issues justmakes I don't know where you're getting that
from. I just never want themto leave me ever, even in death.
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I'll just keep their skulls. It'llbe fine. Yeah. Jeffrey painted
some of the skulls with an offwhite paint in order to make them look
more like decorations. Just in caseanyone was like, what's that, He'd
just be like, oh, that'sa little silly, little decoration. Jeffrey
had an eighty gallon pot that heused to boil the victim's bones in.
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Then when everything was dissolved, dissolved, he would pour it down the drain.
You would pour it was like acid, was it? Yeah, he'd
pour that down the drain. Idon't understand how that works, because I
feel like acid isn't going to dissolveeverything. And then also is that not
going to totally fuck up your yourpipeline. And he was living in an
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apartment complex. Yeah, yeah,I have so many questions, but not
that one is not answered. Abouta week after murdering Raymond, Jeffrey lard
another young man back to his apartment. Jeffrey attempted to drug the young man,
but Jeffrey got confused and drank thewrong cup and instead drugged himself ka.
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After a while, Jeffrey passed out, and when he woke up the
next morning, his watch had beenstolen, along with three thousand dollars.
Yeah no, sorry, three hundreddollars whoop, that's what get. Jeffrey
was naturally unable to report the crimebecause he was planning on murder during this
man, So have fucking big wouldyou feel knowing that you got away with
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that shit? Like later like beingthat guy and be like I have your
fucking watching your fucking money piece.Years later, he's like Jeffrey's arrested and
he's like, oh, oh thatguy I robbed him. But that night,
like imagine noticing that Jeffrey very clearly, because it's say, it's really
obvious, like drugged his own drinkand you're like what wait, wait a
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minute, wait a second, that'sprobably why he robbed him. Yeah,
but like, you know what,fuck the ship. Then, on June
twenty third, nineteen ninety, Jeffreymet twenty seven year old Eddie Smith.
He told Eddie that he was amovie producer in order to lure Eddie back
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to his apartment. I'm sure onceEddie saw the apartment he was like,
you're not a movie producer. No, no, no. Jeffrey then drugged
and strangled Eddie. Jeffrey then tookphotos of Eddie, but he wasn't satisfied
with them. He then decided totry and dry out Eddie's skull by placing
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it in the microwaves. This causedEddie's skull to explode. Jeffrey would later
claim that he felt bad about Eddie'smurder as he felt it was a waste
and had been for nothing. Oh, had been for nothing. All of
your murders were for nothing other thanyour own sexual gross greed. Imagine what
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a violent thing to say. Yeah, just being like, oh, that
murder was a waste. Excuse me, sir. That was somebody's like son,
that was his life. Yeah,and that murder was a waste.
Your life is a waste, Jeffrey, Your life is a waste. Yeah.
Then on July sixth, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met a young male and
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lured him back to the apartment.The pair had sex and then fell asleep
All that night. Jeffrey was waitingon the man to say that he was
leaving, so that he could belike, let me just get you a
drink and I'll drug you and killyou. However, the guy never did.
The guy was like, kind oflike you yeah. The man ended
up staying the night, and thenthe next morning asked if they could meet
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up later that day when he wasleaving. The pair met up the following
night, on July eighth, nineteenninety. When they got back to Jeffrey's
apartment, he had no more sleepingpills to drug him, so instead,
Jeffrey just picked up a mallet,snuck up behind him, and hit him
over the head with it. Whathe wasn't even going to leave though,
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not Jeffrey was just like, mhe's probably going to leave this time,
so I'll just like jump the gunand attack him. Jeffrey didn't hit the
young man hard enough, though,and the pair got into a fight.
They eventually tired themselves out, andthe young man told Jeffrey that he was
like, look, I'll forgive you. I'm not going to tell anyone about
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the assault. It's all good.Like I hit you back, so we're
even, and Jeffrey let him go. Jeffrey was like, cool, thanks
man, all right, I can'tbelieve you let him go. Well,
I guess he couldn't fight him offanymore. That young man immediately ran to
the police. Yeah, he toldthem the whole story, but he asked
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not to inform his foster parents thathe was gay out of fear of being
thrown out of his foster home.How old is this guy? We don't
have his I don't have his nameor his age, but if he's in
a foster home, he is underthe age of eighteen. So in fact,
he could be even under the ageof sixteen. I'm going to say
it's safe to assume he was underthe age of eighteen. Wouldn't be completely
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out of his world to pick upsomebody that young. Anyway, the police
found this young man's story so bizarre, and they never went and questioned Jeffrey.
Excuse me. They were like that'sa weird story. So he's probably
just soundcrack or something, you know, the gaze assert. What I'm assuming
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is a young child came to youand said, I've been attacked by a
grown ass man. So we hadjust recently, like recently, I'm not
even talking about episodes from years agothat we've done where we had John Chimowski,
we had John Wayne Gacy, andwe have Jeffrey Dahmer. M don't
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they all have victims who went tothe police that wouldn't believed did John Wayne
Gacy? Yeah, John Wayne Gacy, he had one kid that's that basically
told them everything that John did andJohn was like, no, that was
all consensual, and the police werelike cool, cool, cool, Yeah,
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that's right. But that's great.So far, just in our recent
kind of episodes, it's a commonit's very frustrating, and even in the
most recent case, I'm like,we're tuteen now that happens in England,
Like that's in England in the seventiesand eighties. I'm like ninety nine percent
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sure that happened with Fred and RoseWest as well. Like it's just so
annoying that it's so common that policeare just like m okay, And there
is a part in this that whatthe police do is disgusting, disgusting.
Yeah. On September two, nineteenninety, Jeffrey met twenty four year old
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Ernest Miller outside of a bookstore.Jeffrey offered Earnest fifty dollars to go back
to his apartment and take some pictures. Jeffrey lay Earnest on the bed and
listened to his heart, and thenhe tried to give Earnest oral sex.
Ernest told Jeffrey, quote, that'llcost you extra, Okay, do what
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you gotta do. He was like, you paid me fifty dollars for photos.
Jeffrey then cut Ernest's carotid artery witha knife, leaving him to bleed
out in a minute. He thentook his photos of Ernest's body. Is
that for the first time he had, Sorry, I can finish every sensor,
No, no, m He justhe then dismembered Earnest's body after he
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took the photos. Yet, that'sthe first time he's like slit like that.
Yeah, Like he's never done thatbefore. He's always up until this
point and pretty much after this point, this seems like a random like first
off, he drugs them, likehe spikes their drink, and then while
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they're out of it, then hestrangles them. And it's when it's after
he strangles them to that it's whenthey're dead, is when he starts doing
all of his cutting and his suchLike. He's such a fucking coward that
he can't even he has to drugthem to do anything. He's such a
fucking coward. Jeffrey kept his bicepsand other portions of his flesh in his
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fridge. This was when Jeffrey beganto consume the meat off of his victims.
He thought that cannibalism was a wayof honoring them. Quote, it
made me feel they were even morea part of me, Jeffrey, Hun,
you just be and shit, Okay, you just be and shit.
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Yeah, you're just sick, Likeyou're a sick person with a sick mind.
You don't need to come up withthis like poetic shit. I thought
that, No, okay, justsay that you're fucking sick and you wanted
to eat human flesh. Don't beataround the bush. On September twenty fourth,
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nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met twenty threeyear old David Thomas at a local
mall. Jeffrey offered David money backto his apartment to take some photos and
have a few beers. Jeffrey thendrugged David. When David had passed out,
Jeffrey decided that he wasn't attracted tohim, but he panicked that if
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jeff that if David woke up,that he would try call the police,
or he would tell the police becausehe brought this man back to his apartment
one thousand percent sober, you know, probably drugged him with coffee and was
like, fucking shit head, Iexplained this, Yeah, So Jeffrey decided
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that the only solution was to killhim. Jeffrey strangled David and disposed of
his body. And Jeffrey didn't killfor several months after this, and he
claims that he felt really guilty aboutit, but that basically it wasn't until
after he had drugged him. Hewas like, I don't find him attractive.
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Oh, I feel so bad fortaking somebody's life that I didn't even
do it. For a couple ofmonths, I didn't I couldn't even kill
anybody for like a while. Ohmy god, it took me a whole
few months. Then on February eighteenth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met seventeen
year old Curtis Stratter at a busstation. Curtis was an aspiring model,
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so when Jeffrey offered him money totake some headshots, he felt like he
just had to say yes because hewas seventeen. Jeffrey then drugged and strangled
Curtis once that they got to hisapartment. Jeffrey then disposed of Curtis's body,
but kept his hands, skull andgenitals. Then, on April seventh,
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nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met nineteenyear old Errol Lindsay. Jeffrey once
again offered Errol money in exchange forsome photos. Jeffrey drugged and strangled Errol.
Jeffrey then flayed the skin off Errol'sbody. No thank you. He
placed the skin in salt water anattempt to preserve it, but was unsuccessful.
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For somebody that spent a lot ofhis childhood preserving shit, he wasn't
very good at it. No.On May twenty fourth, nineteen ninety one,
Jeffrey met thirty one year old deafmodel Tony Hughes at a local nightclub.
And this is the guy that Netflixput a lot of emphasis on but
watching the documentary, Tony knew Jeffreyfor sure. They had met a couple
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of times before, just because theywere about gay men circling the same nightclubs
and stuff, and one friend,I think, mentions that they possibly did
hook up together multiple times, butit was not in the context that the
series put it in. So Ithink that the series meshed Tony with the
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unnamed guy and that they kind ofjust mixed the two a little bit together
to try to create this story.Tony's friend drove them to Jeffrey's block,
but Jeffrey wouldn't like let the frienddrive to the apartment block, just to
the estate block that you know whatthey call a block. I have no
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idea what's a block, what's ameter, what's a fun like, what's
a yard? I don't get itfrom my understanding. Basically, he let
Tony's friend drive them to the topof the estate, but wouldn't let him
like drive in to where the apartmentblock would have been, so that he
wouldn't know where he lived. Yeah, Jeffrey and Tony sat in the backseat
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writing notes to one another. Thatwas the last time that Tony's friend ever
saw him. Jeffrey drugged and strangledTony to death, and he left Tony's
body lying decomposing on the bedroom floorof his apartment. And Tony's friend was
actually interviewed and was heavily considered asuspect for many years because he didn't know
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I believe he didn't know Jeffrey's name, so he was just like, I
dropped my friend off with a guyat the top of this block here,
and then the police were like shardedshaded. So that was on May twenty
fourth. Then on May twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey picked up
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fourteen year old Connorac Synthasophone, thebrother of some Sack. Jeffrey did not
know at the time that the twoboys had that the two boys were related.
He just saw a young boy thathe wanted to take home. Jeffrey
took Connorac back to his apartment,where Tony's body was still lying on the
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bedroom floor. Jeffrey drugged Connor WhenConaract passed out, Jeffrey decided he wanted
to try out an experiment that hehad previously failed. In this experiment,
after raping the young boy, Jeffreydrilled a hole into the top of Connorac's
head an injected muriatic acid Jeffrey wantedto wanted this to turn his victims into
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a zombie like trance to stop themfrom wanting to leave. At around one
am, Jeffrey had finished with hisexperiment and he left Connorak unconscious on the
sitting room floor to go and buysome more beers. While Jeffrey was out,
Conorac regained consciousness and managed to escapefrom the apartment. He made his
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way to the streets. He wascompletely naked and could barely walk or talk.
He had a fucking hole in hishead. Three young women found Connorac
in this state and they called nineone one. They got a blank get
they placed it around the young boyto keep him warm and to cover him
up, and they waited with himwhile they waited on the police. Whilst
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they were waiting on police, Jeffreyhad come back from buying the beer.
He found three young women with Conorac, and he was like, Oh,
it's fine, he's with me,nothing to worry about it. I'll just
take him upstairs. It's fine.And the women were like, what do
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you mean he's with you? You'rea grown ass man. This is an
actual child, and I'm pretty surehe's covered in blood and it's fully he
wasn't covered in blood, but hehad like say, like a trickle,
but he wasn't mean that's enough,like you know. Yeah. So Jeffrey
was trying to take Connorac back intothe building, but the three women wouldn't
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let him. He told that theHe told women that Connor was his friend
and he just said too much todrink. Women did not believe this for
a second. The women managed tokeep Jeffrey and out on the streets when
two officers arrived, John Blassarak andJoseph Gabrish. And I am only saying
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these names because these men should beabsolutely disgusted with themselves ashamed. Jeffrey was
fully cooperative with the police, answeringall of the questions. He gave them
his name, his address. Hetold the two officers that Conorac was his
nineteen year old boyfriend and that hehad he just had too much to drink.
He then told police that Conorac oftenacted like this after a night of
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drinking. The three women didn't believeany of Jeffrey's story, obviously, and
they began arguing that the boy lookedway too young to be nineteen years of
age. The officers got annoyed bythe women, one of them shouting quote,
shut the hell up and don't tellme how to do my job.
Jeffrey said that it was hard totell the age of Asian people because they
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always look younger than they are.Wow, okay, casual racism. Jeffrey
told the police officers that they weremore than welcome to escort the couple back
to the apartment where he had picturesthat he had taken off his boyfriend,
where he still has Tony's body onthe floor. Jeffrey used these pictures to
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prove that Conorac was his partner.Now, he had taken these photos earlier
on that day, but it justhelped him that Conorac was now naked,
so he wasn't in the same outfit. So he was like, look,
we took these couple photos together.The police accepted Jeffrey's story. However,
when Jeffrey opened the door to hisapartment, they got a strong smell.
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The police entered the apartment to havea quick look around. They were about
to enter Jeffrey's bedroom, which iswhere Tony's body was still lying on the
floor, but the officer then decidedthat it was none of his concern.
The officers then told Jeoffrey quote doestake care of em. As they left
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the apartment. Within any hour ofpolice leaving, Conac was murdered. If
the police had bothered to go backand do a background check on Jeffrey,
they would have found that he wason probation for the sexual assault of Connarract's
brother. The two officers, JosephGabrich and John Buszak, got back into
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their squad car and over the policescanner made a comment about how it was
a quote, domestic squabble between twohomosexuals, and then went on to say
that they were planning to go backto the precinct to be quote deloused,
No flay, Really fucking great apolice work here, the two of you.
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You should die just feeling so fulfilledthat you really don everything in your
power given to you as a policeofficer to serve and protect the people.
The one award. Actually, Iknow. One of the women that had
called the police, her mother,Glenda Cleveland, called for an update on
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the boy. She rang several times, and every time she called she was
brushed off. When Glenda saw Connorract'smissing person's poster, she rang police again,
but was ignored by her concerns.When Jeffrey was eventually arrested, both
officers were investigated and they were firedfor gross negligence. However, John fought
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his dismissal. Quote at the time, with the information we had to this
day, I think we'd done theappropriate thing, the best we could.
You couldn't even open the bedroom door. You, as a police officer,
you know what decomposition smells like.I'm sorry, as a and like,
as a police officer in these biggerareas, you definitely know what de comp
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smells like. You do you knowbecause they were gay, Well, because
Jeffrey was gay, you didn't care. You let your prejudice prejudice absolutely like
just ruined the lives of multiple people. In nineteen ninety four, the two
officers were reinstated and worked as policeofficers until the day that they both retired.
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So I have no words. Yeah, I just think it's absolutely disgusting
what these I think, like thesepolice officers, I really hope to hell.
And I'm not saying that they're responsiblefor Conoract's death because obviously Jeffrey is
responsible. Jeffrey done it. Ihope these men never slept a night in
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their life ever. Fucking again,you walked him back into that apartment,
and I'm sorry you walked him backinto that apartment knowing right well he was
not nineteen, because there is adifference between nineteen year olds and fourteen year
olds. M No. They literallycharged him back to his death. Yeah,
and they just they just didn't carebecause of his age, because of
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oh he's a gay. Literally gonnaleave it there for this evening because I
feel like that's enough trauma. Feellike that is enough trauma for one evening.
Absolutely is so horrific and awful.The crimes that he's committing are horrific
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and awful. But when I readabout those two police officers, I was
literally somad because I was like,I was like, you literally walked in,
smelt the d comp and then justdecided to yourself, I was gonna
leave because they're gay, so mand like, you're walking towards the bedroom
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door, You're telling me that thesmell isn't getting stronger as you get to
the door, and then you justdecide, you know what, none of
my business, not my concern.He had been lying there for three days
in May, like it's warm inMay. They sure they knew there was
a smell, they could smell it. They just are like, oh,
no, there's somebody out there breakingan open container lots somewhere or jaywalking.
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We really need to get them,literally. And it's the fact that then
Glenda Rang when she saw the missingposters, being like, this boy was
like literally like in my apartment complex, or I don't think she was.
I think she was a neighbor.I don't think she she's living the same
apartment, but you know, likeshe was like, he was in my
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area the night he went missing.Police walked him up, you walked him
into an apartment, and they werejust like yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's fine. Yeah. But thesecond she even mentioned the police brought him
back, they're going to be like, nah, I'm sure he was fine.
It's nothing to do with us.What the worst thing is is that
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his brother some sack, had ranback home, gone to the police and
trusted that the system was going tomake sure that this would never happen to
anybody else again, and then ithappens to his own brother it happens to
the family. Like so later on, during like Jeffrey's trial and stuff like
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that, like a few family membersspeak out and I don't know if I
have it in my notes or not, but like this family were like,
why did you target us? Likeyou did this not once but twice to
our family. Yeah, I hopethey sued the police department or the city.
There is a lot of suing thathappens later on in life. Some
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of it is towards Lionel. It'sjust an all around sad situation for everybody,
for everybody. Um, next week, I'll do the final episode.
And I'm sorry it's in three parts. It's just there's a lot, unfortunately,
and and I don't want to skipout on any of them because they're
all so important. M yeah,absolutely, So next week I'll talk about
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the final few murders and I'll talkabout his arrest and Karen Karmen gets them
a song. I'm gonna say,Karmen gets the Okay, Well, we'll
see you next week. Guys.Oh, we never did otros and we
have no time left orgy go followus on social media's and give us mark
(50:37):
everywhere. We're running out of timeAh'll find it. Check our show notes
for our social media's check us outon Apple and Spotify and wherever else you
get your podcast. Okay, it'sNanja bye and don't
I'm also I'm just gonna apologize inadvance, Cottle turn on the dishwasher.
God damn it, cattle she hadgurgling over there between your dishwasher and your
fridge. They'd be singing the songof their people. They'd be like,
feature of not for free, okay, unbranded dishwasher. I'm like, they
probably have a brand, but Irefused to say the brand on this show
(00:26):
point sponsors. They're gonna be like, y'all need some chill here, have
a mini fridge. I wouldn't sayno to a mini fridge of them being
I love a mini fridge. Wherewould I put it, I don't know,
but i'd find us. I feellike I want a mini fridge for
all of the times that I don'thave barbecues. You know, back in
(00:46):
the day when we'd have people over, we had a little mini fridge and
we would like plug it in anextension need so that it could commit so
trash and just put alcohol in it. Oh let you say that, But
in my old home house we hada drinks fridge. Oh yes, capt
(01:08):
fucking tigger, let's go. Thosewere the dates, Oh say radio,
anyway, let's introduce ourselves. Hi, welcome back to give us Mark,
me him, Megan and you arelistening to another episode and we appreciate that
(01:33):
where openings are always so weird.I did it stretched off slow, you
know, and then by the endof it it's like, oh god,
please think it stop. Oh wait, I have a pause phone. Anyways,
welcome back, and you're in forit. So it's I'm just gonna
(01:53):
say, you've done this to yourself. Yeah, there's not gonna be any
any laughs this week. I knowlast week we kind of we could get
away with a bit of the funnieshere and there. M Yeah, however,
not so much this episode. AndI will put I will say just
a little disclaimer. Some of whathappens here is not so great and happens
(02:19):
to quite young boys. So ifthat is too much for you, I
really do advise that you turn away, because like, I get it,
I researched it. I never thenget you know. That was one of
Linda's favorite songs and so my welive obviously in the same time as Megan
(02:46):
does now, but before that weloved up in Dublin and we used to
travel to go see like my relativesup there because all my relatives are from
Dublin, and I've spent many anight in the backseat of the care because
I was only like eight, tooyoung to be the front you know yourself,
And Linda does beat the last andturn around bride guys. No,
(03:08):
mine was, um, Shania Twain, that was I'm Pink. My mom
loved Pink as well. Pink ispretty awesome, so I'll give her that.
I would take Shania Twain over Pinkand a heartbeat. I am like
music wise, Pink's new stuff nowtoday, absolutely her older stuff like um,
(03:30):
I'm coming so you better get thestart. I'm kinda that was pop.
Yeah, that still goes hard.Oh my god. Yeah, but
you know Shania Twain, Let's gogirls. No, no, no,
no, nothing will ever beat thefeeling, just the like I don't like
(03:53):
the lightning that just takes over mybody when she's like, let's go girls,
It's just like, oh yeah,I'll go fucking Faraoh like a rabid
animal. It's like yeah, Andthen the song's over and you're like,
where am I. He've tunneled throughlike three houses, You've made it through
a fucking dumpster. You like wakeup in the middle of a Field and
(04:17):
you're just like, how did Iget here? It's my place? Sni
are Twain And yeah, well thatwas a music hour with Give Us More.
Last week, a movie hour wehad, No, we had a
movie hour the week before last,and then we had music hour last week
(04:38):
with Power and now we're back toYeah, next week I will be able
to tell you about um a playbecause we're going to see Misery in the
Amazing is great. Wait is itgoing to be an English or I don't
know? So I okay. Thead came open my Facebook and it didn't
(05:00):
mentioned what language it was going tobe in. And it's either going to
be Maltese, which is going tobe amazing, which is like I'm not
going to understand a single fucking word, or it's going to be in English
with Maltese accent I assume unless they'vedone like some training to get rid of
their accent. Either way, iconic, it's going to be amazing. Last
week, Oh my god, lastweek for Valentine's Day? Did I mention
(05:24):
this last recording? I don't knowif you did or know that we went
to go we went to go seea magician. No did I tell you?
No? You didn't tell me aboutthis magician. Oh okay, so
for Valentine' So I was like,I really wanted to be special and we
never celebrate Valentine. I really wantedto be special. Well you know,
(05:54):
so the place is called Chamber ofMysteries, right, and we get dinner
on the show. Right. Cool? We go. So we have this
little old man as our waiter,and I didn't know what to get from
my main and I was like,would you get the risotto or the chicken
breast? And he looks at Nileand he like cups his own chest and
(06:15):
he's like, I'm I'm a breastman. I prefer the breast, like,
oh okay. And then he comesto dessert and like we're having wine.
So when they ask us if wewant coffee, we're like no,
no, it's okay, thank you. He goes to Nile. He cold
like goes to half whisper into hisear and it's like, are you sure
(06:39):
you don't want to stay up tonightfor the day? That's in it?
Dirty old man? Yeah, butlike you done it in a funny way.
So it was like ha ha,you know butt, And I was
like, excuse me, sir,I am still in my prime get home
falls asleep. But it was.It was very good in all and would
(07:01):
recommend a great night if you don'twant to go out and just get drunk
for your date. Just that soundshonestly to be honest. Oh, he
got us both involved in the actualshow itself. It was a wild time
anyway. Now the magic portion isofficially over, so let's get into the
case. So obviously last week wetalked about Last week we talked about his
(07:27):
early life and like his childhood,growing up and all that stuff, and
we also talked about his first twomurders. So yeah, I guess this
week we're just gonna delve more intoit. And I have a funny feeling
it might possibly have to be threeparts just because there is a there is
a lot here unfortunately, so I'mjust gonna literally jump straight in. On
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January sixteenth, nineteen eighty eight,Jeffrey met fourteen year old Jane James Docks
to tour outside of a nightclub.Jeffrey offered James fifty dollars to spend the
night with him. The pair wentback to Jeffrey's grandmother's house and they had
sex. Because Jeffrey is still livingin his grandmother's spare room at this moment
(08:15):
in time. At about four am, James told Jeffrey that he had to
start heading home because at the endof the day he is only fourteen.
So he's like, yeah, no, like, I actually can't stay the
night, Like I have to gohome. Yeah. Jeffrey offered him one
last drink and he spiked it.James passed out in Jeffrey's arms. Jeffrey
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then strangled James to death. Hethen put James's body in the basement and
came back up and he had breakfastwith his grandmother. I don't understand.
This is his third murder. He'sdone it right under his grandmother's own nose,
and then he just goes opened casuallyhas breakfast literally with her. For
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about a week after the murder,Efrey would go down to the basement at
night and he would lay with James'sbody. So James's body is still there
a week after the murder. SurelyJeffrey's grandmother is starting to think, okay,
two things, so they're starting tosmell and then also, what is
he going down there for? Oh, like he'd wait until she'd go to
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bed to go down like, butalso, yes, she does definitely notice
a smell. Okay. He eventuallycrushed all of the bones and cut the
body into small pieces and he putthem out for the trash. His grandmother
started to notice a smell in thehouse, and it was because he was
trying to preserve James's skull, butonce again it became true to brittle and
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he had to throw it away.And any time that his grandmother would be
like, Jeffrey, what is thatrancher ass smell, He'd be like,
oh, I'm just doing taxidermy becausethat's what the father had shown him years
go. So he was like,that's just my hobby and it can't smile
(10:01):
and I'm sorry about that. Andthe grandmother was just like, right,
okay, I mean sure, Iguess I don't know. Maybe it's different
because you know, he was doingit and his dad's done it. But
I'd be like, in my home, no, and you can also show
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me what you're doing, because whatyou know, do you get me?
I would want to see it.I one thousand percent. And look,
I think for her it was acase of she was just like an old
lady who was just like right,Okay, he's just doing taxidermy. It's
just a weird kid. I guess. Imagine you live your whole life and
(10:48):
it's relatively normal, and then yourfucking grandson moves in when you're elderly and
like supposed to be living your bestlife, and he's fucking murdering people in
your head, and then you justthink it's taxidermy, and you're like,
oh, I guess, okay,I guess. I mean you're weird.
Whatever it means. You're not outlike drinking, So that's good. Which
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would you prefer? I would rathermy house didn't smell of dead people.
But she doesn't know it's dead people. She thinks it's dead rodents. I'm
just gonna say that's still just bad. Like In February nineteen eighty eight,
a month after the murder of James, Jeffrey tried to pick up twenty seven
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year old Bobby Dwayne Simpson the Pyramidat a bar and Jeffrey took him home.
Jeffrey tried to spike Bobby's drink.However, the drugs were off quicker
than expected because Bobby is a twentyseven year old man, not a fourteen
year old child, so they don'ttake the same dosage. Jeffrey, God,
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Jeffrey, Jeffrey really done a damneron that one. Huh, silly
goose. Jeffrey had no other optionthan to just let him leave unharmed,
and he just was like, ohwow, you must have just got really
drunk. Bobby was just like fuckingout of here. On March twenty fourth,
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nineteen eighty eight, Jeffrey met twentytwo year old Richard Guerrero at a
bear Jeffrey offered Richard some money tospend the night with him. He then
drugged Richard and strangled him to deathbefore crushing his bones and disposing of the
body. Sorry, that was likeover in the blink of an eye.
Yeah, a lot of these willbe because there is just honestly, there's
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a lot of them. So hekind of he just he has the same
mo for pretty much all of it. And sometimes he hangs on to their
body for a little while, andthen sometimes he just discards of it like
immediately. And I don't mean thisto send recrued and like disrespectful to some
of the victims. I think ithad mostly to do with how attracted he
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was to them, is how longhe would keep them. Well, that's
not just based on sexual preferences,because he would take not sexual physical appearances,
he would take time to get toknow them before he'd done anything.
I found it like sometimes right,yeah, no, Like he doesn't have
like a sexual preference, as in, like he doesn't like prefer a particular
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like hair type. Yeah, hedoesn't have a type. But I think
the more attracted he was to acertain person, the longer he would hold
on to their body and try preservethat, where then other times it was
just more so the thrill of thekill and the disposing of it, if
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you get me, m I thinkit just depended on his mood, which
is gross as fuck. So thefollowing weekend, Jeffrey took home another man,
twenty five year old Ronald Flowers Junior. However, when they got back
to the house, Jeffrey's grandmother wasstill awake, and she shouted down the
stairs, jet is that you,Jeff? Like she was like, fuck's
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going on? Because any other timehe brought someone back like she was past
the fuck out of sleep because shewas an old lady living her best life
as she should. Jeff told hisgrandmother he was making a cup of coffee,
and he sent her back to bed. He gave Ronald a spiked cup
of coffee, but felt too nervousabout killing him. With his grandmother awake,
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he helped a drugged up Ronald toa bus stop. He then put
Ronald on a bus and left himalone at a random ass destination. So
he walked this man to a bus, put him on the bus, and
then he went home. And thebus was at like the last top,
and you know, it was likesorry to get off now. It was
(15:00):
better than the alternative. Oh absolutely. Several days later, Ronald woke up
in the hospital with no memory ofhow he got there. Ronald told police
about the last thing that he couldremember, which was going home with a
man named Jeffrey Dahmer. The nextday, police called to visit Jeffrey and
they questioned him about Ronald, butobviously Jeffrey just told him that Ronald had
(15:24):
too much to drink and he triedto help him to a bus stop,
and whatever happened after that, Jeffreycouldn't be sure. The police had no
evidence that Jeffrey had done any harmto Ronald, so they just dropped the
investigation, which listen I get theguy had no physical harm on him,
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So how do you prove that Jeffreydid drug him? Do you know what
I mean? Yeah, I wouldn'tsay they're like running any you know,
talks screens on his blood. Likeif he admitted he had been drinking and
stuff like that. As soon aspolice would have heard that he went home
with another guy, they would havejust straight up lost interest. M Jeffrey's
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grandmother had asked Jeffrey if he couldmove out because the smell in the basement
was just too bad. And againhe was claiming that this was from taxidermy.
Like she was like, hunt,sweetie, cutie pie, I love
you, but the fuck is thatsmell? Get out of my house?
Please say I can't take it nomore. She's right, Like to they
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put, how weird is it thatyou would have to go and tell your
friends at Bingo that you had tokick your son out because your grandson out
because the smell from his taxidermy wasstinking up your house so bad. Yeah,
Like, I'm not gonna want totell Susie about that. No,
Jeffrey managed to find himself an apartmentand on September twenty sixth, nineteen eighty
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eight, Jeffrey met thirteen year oldsome sack synthosom phone. He asked some
Sack if he would be interested inearning some money. Keep in mind he
is thirteen. All he had todo was let Jeffrey take some pictures of
him. Jeffrey offered him fifty dollarsfor one hour. Some Sack asked if
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these photos would have to be nude, and Jeffrey told him that it didn't
matter whichever he was more comfortable with. Some Sack agreed and went over to
Jeffrey's apartment to take some polaroid pictures. Jeffrey then gave the young boy a
spiked coffee. Before the drugs hadfully kicked in, Jeffrey began trying to
take off some sex's clothes. Theyoung boy quickly copped on to what Jeffrey
(17:44):
was trying to do, and hemanaged to escape Jeffrey's apartment and he ran
all the way home. He managedto make it home before passing out from
the drugs. His parents rang thepolice immediately, because first of all,
it's the thirteen year old son,like what the hell? And then second
of all, he wasn't like akid that was into drugs. Yeah,
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I mean he's only a baby.Sum Sack was able to show the police
where Jeffrey lived, like he wasable to tell them like where he went.
And the police then searched Jeffrey's apartmentand they found a bottle of sleeping
pills and the photos that Jeffrey hadmanaged to take off some Sack. Jeffrey
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was then arrested for second degree sexualharassment. He spent six days in jail
before Lionel posted his bail. Lionelthen hired Gerald Boyle to represent Jeffrey in
the trial. Gerald ordered Jeffrey toundergo a psychological evaluation. This brought to
light Jeffrey's deep feelings of alienation andhow he was an impulsive individual. However,
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Jeffrey was found guilty of the crime, and while he was awaiting Entenson,
he committed another murder. The absoluteneck like he is no that you
just said, He's was literally provento be impulsive, like he is absolutely
no control, like he's just yeah, I'm just gonna go do that.
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And so before we do do that, we'll just jump on into and I'd
break On March twenty fifth, nineteeneighty nine, Jeffrey met twenty four year
old Anthony Sears. Jeffrey claimed hehad knock gone out with the intention of
picking up a victim when Anthony quotejust started looking at me. Oh he
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was really asking for it. Huh, Please note my sarcasm. He made
eye contact, you know, obviously. Yeah, Jeffrey brought Anthony back to
his home and had sex with him. When Anthony tried to leave. Afterwards,
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Jeffrey drugged him and strangled him todeath. Jeffrey then disposed of the
body, but he kept the headand his genitals. That makes me violently
uncomfortable. I'm so sorry there hadto happen to that man. He put
them in his locker at work,his work locker. What First of all,
(20:22):
who's hiring fucking Jeffrey Dahmer. Heworks at the Ambrosia factory, remember,
and yes, Ambrosier, that's foryou. No, it is.
But why is your rice pudding sogross? Anyway? Trusting? Yeah,
(20:45):
I don't know if it's the sameambrosia, to be perfectly honest, very
well might not be to bring itto work, even though you have your
own apartment at this stage. It'sbecause he knew he was like about to
be sentenced to Oh yeah, Iforgot m Yeah. So he was like,
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it'll be safe in my work locker, as if they're not ever going
to look there, and it's notgoing to start to smell. And your
manager doesn't have an extra key tierwork locker, and if he doesn't,
he's not going to get a locksmith, and they're not going to find the
genitals and head that you have.They don't what they don't find the genital
holes in head. Ah, that'swhat's most annoying. No, like they
(21:29):
like, I mean like his boss, like nobody ever like is like,
what's the smell coming from jeff locker? I mean with an ambrosia factory,
probably stinks like shit anyway. OnMay twenty third, nineteen eighty nine,
Jeffrey was sentenced to five years probation, one year's jail time with work release.
What was that name? What wasthat date? Again? May twenty
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third, that's my birthday and alsotwo days after Jeffrey's birthday, So get
fucked happy birthday, bitch. Hegot five years probation with one year's jail
time, and with that jail timework release. That meant that Jeffrey was
(22:14):
allied out of prison to attend worksix days a week. You just go
in to serve your silly little jailtime for your silly little crime one day
a week. How is nettin?Jeffrey was then released from prison two months
early in March nineteen ninety. Heonly had to do twelve months jail time,
and he only did ten for tryingto sexually assault a thirteen year old
(22:41):
boy. I'meric mercle. Can't evensay anything because like everywhere, I mean,
Arland was covering up babies murders atthat stage, so like we have
our own ship. But you know, you know, yeah. Jeffrey had
got leniency from the judge by writinga letter in which he stated that quote,
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I'm an alcoholic and a homosexual withsexual problems. We're just stating the
obvious facts here, kid, don'tsay. Lionel had also written a letter
to the judge asking to help Jeffrey. So basically this letter was like,
look, listen, my boys troubled. I'm well aware my boys troubled,
but like, please don't do thisto him, and like we'll get him
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into shape. And the judge waslike, you know what, that sounds
good to me the military. TheUS Army could not get this boy into
shape. But Lionel's like, I'lldo it. Lionel, you couldn't even
keep him. You've shipped him offto your grandmother's or to your mother's.
Lionel does not whip him into shape. When Jeffrey was released from prison,
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he got himself an apartment at OxfordApartments in Milwaukee. Shortly after moving in
in May nineteen ninety, just twomonths after being released from prison, Jeffrey
met thirty three year old Raymond Smithat a local nightclub. Jeffrey offered Raymond
fifty dollars to go back to hisapartment to take some pictures. Once they
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got into Jeffrey's apartment, Raymond wasimmediately drugged, and Jeffrey then proceeded to
strangle him to death. Jeffrey thentook photos of Raymond's body posed in different
positions as a little memento, youknow, for later on. That's just
so upsetting. Jeffrey then set upa shrine in his room. This was
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somewhere for him to keep the skullsof his victims. He hung up a
black tablecloth and a winged mythical creatureto symbolize the devil. I can't remember
what that creatures called, but youknow it, He later said, quote
it was my way of remembering theirhearings, their physical beauty. I also
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wanted to keep them. If Icouldn't keep them there with me whole,
at least I could keep their skeleton, all right. YEA, just feeling
here that you have abandonment issues justmakes I don't know where you're getting that
from. I just never want themto leave me ever, even in death.
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I'll just keep their skulls. It'llbe fine. Yeah. Jeffrey painted
some of the skulls with an offwhite paint in order to make them look
more like decorations. Just in caseanyone was like, what's that, He'd
just be like, oh, that'sa little silly, little decoration. Jeffrey
had an eighty gallon pot that heused to boil the victim's bones in.
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Then when everything was dissolved, dissolved, he would pour it down the drain.
You would pour it was like acid, was it? Yeah, he'd
pour that down the drain. Idon't understand how that works, because I
feel like acid isn't going to dissolveeverything. And then also is that not
going to totally fuck up your yourpipeline. And he was living in an
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apartment complex. Yeah, yeah,I have so many questions, but not
that one is not answered. Abouta week after murdering Raymond, Jeffrey lard
another young man back to his apartment. Jeffrey attempted to drug the young man,
but Jeffrey got confused and drank thewrong cup and instead drugged himself ka.
(26:41):
After a while, Jeffrey passed out, and when he woke up the
next morning, his watch had beenstolen, along with three thousand dollars.
Yeah no, sorry, three hundreddollars whoop, that's what get. Jeffrey
was naturally unable to report the crimebecause he was planning on murder during this
man, So have fucking big wouldyou feel knowing that you got away with
(27:06):
that shit? Like later like beingthat guy and be like I have your
fucking watching your fucking money piece.Years later, he's like Jeffrey's arrested and
he's like, oh, oh thatguy I robbed him. But that night,
like imagine noticing that Jeffrey very clearly, because it's say, it's really
obvious, like drugged his own drinkand you're like what wait, wait a
(27:29):
minute, wait a second, that'sprobably why he robbed him. Yeah,
but like, you know what,fuck the ship. Then, on June
twenty third, nineteen ninety, Jeffreymet twenty seven year old Eddie Smith.
He told Eddie that he was amovie producer in order to lure Eddie back
(27:52):
to his apartment. I'm sure onceEddie saw the apartment he was like,
you're not a movie producer. No, no, no. Jeffrey then drugged
and strangled Eddie. Jeffrey then tookphotos of Eddie, but he wasn't satisfied
with them. He then decided totry and dry out Eddie's skull by placing
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it in the microwaves. This causedEddie's skull to explode. Jeffrey would later
claim that he felt bad about Eddie'smurder as he felt it was a waste
and had been for nothing. Oh, had been for nothing. All of
your murders were for nothing other thanyour own sexual gross greed. Imagine what
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a violent thing to say. Yeah, just being like, oh, that
murder was a waste. Excuse me, sir. That was somebody's like son,
that was his life. Yeah,and that murder was a waste.
Your life is a waste, Jeffrey, Your life is a waste. Yeah.
Then on July sixth, nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met a young male and
(29:03):
lured him back to the apartment.The pair had sex and then fell asleep
All that night. Jeffrey was waitingon the man to say that he was
leaving, so that he could belike, let me just get you a
drink and I'll drug you and killyou. However, the guy never did.
The guy was like, kind oflike you yeah. The man ended
up staying the night, and thenthe next morning asked if they could meet
(29:26):
up later that day when he wasleaving. The pair met up the following
night, on July eighth, nineteenninety. When they got back to Jeffrey's
apartment, he had no more sleepingpills to drug him, so instead,
Jeffrey just picked up a mallet,snuck up behind him, and hit him
over the head with it. Whathe wasn't even going to leave though,
(29:48):
not Jeffrey was just like, mhe's probably going to leave this time,
so I'll just like jump the gunand attack him. Jeffrey didn't hit the
young man hard enough, though,and the pair got into a fight.
They eventually tired themselves out, andthe young man told Jeffrey that he was
like, look, I'll forgive you. I'm not going to tell anyone about
(30:11):
the assault. It's all good.Like I hit you back, so we're
even, and Jeffrey let him go. Jeffrey was like, cool, thanks
man, all right, I can'tbelieve you let him go. Well,
I guess he couldn't fight him offanymore. That young man immediately ran to
the police. Yeah, he toldthem the whole story, but he asked
(30:36):
not to inform his foster parents thathe was gay out of fear of being
thrown out of his foster home.How old is this guy? We don't
have his I don't have his nameor his age, but if he's in
a foster home, he is underthe age of eighteen. So in fact,
he could be even under the ageof sixteen. I'm going to say
it's safe to assume he was underthe age of eighteen. Wouldn't be completely
(30:59):
out of his world to pick upsomebody that young. Anyway, the police
found this young man's story so bizarre, and they never went and questioned Jeffrey.
Excuse me. They were like that'sa weird story. So he's probably
just soundcrack or something, you know, the gaze assert. What I'm assuming
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is a young child came to youand said, I've been attacked by a
grown ass man. So we hadjust recently, like recently, I'm not
even talking about episodes from years agothat we've done where we had John Chimowski,
we had John Wayne Gacy, andwe have Jeffrey Dahmer. M don't
(31:47):
they all have victims who went tothe police that wouldn't believed did John Wayne
Gacy? Yeah, John Wayne Gacy, he had one kid that's that basically
told them everything that John did andJohn was like, no, that was
all consensual, and the police werelike cool, cool, cool, Yeah,
(32:07):
that's right. But that's great.So far, just in our recent
kind of episodes, it's a commonit's very frustrating, and even in the
most recent case, I'm like,we're tuteen now that happens in England,
Like that's in England in the seventiesand eighties. I'm like ninety nine percent
(32:28):
sure that happened with Fred and RoseWest as well. Like it's just so
annoying that it's so common that policeare just like m okay, And there
is a part in this that whatthe police do is disgusting, disgusting.
Yeah. On September two, nineteenninety, Jeffrey met twenty four year old
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Ernest Miller outside of a bookstore.Jeffrey offered Earnest fifty dollars to go back
to his apartment and take some pictures. Jeffrey lay Earnest on the bed and
listened to his heart, and thenhe tried to give Earnest oral sex.
Ernest told Jeffrey, quote, that'llcost you extra, Okay, do what
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you gotta do. He was like, you paid me fifty dollars for photos.
Jeffrey then cut Ernest's carotid artery witha knife, leaving him to bleed
out in a minute. He thentook his photos of Ernest's body. Is
that for the first time he had, Sorry, I can finish every sensor,
No, no, m He justhe then dismembered Earnest's body after he
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took the photos. Yet, that'sthe first time he's like slit like that.
Yeah, Like he's never done thatbefore. He's always up until this
point and pretty much after this point, this seems like a random like first
off, he drugs them, likehe spikes their drink, and then while
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they're out of it, then hestrangles them. And it's when it's after
he strangles them to that it's whenthey're dead, is when he starts doing
all of his cutting and his suchLike. He's such a fucking coward that
he can't even he has to drugthem to do anything. He's such a
fucking coward. Jeffrey kept his bicepsand other portions of his flesh in his
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fridge. This was when Jeffrey beganto consume the meat off of his victims.
He thought that cannibalism was a wayof honoring them. Quote, it
made me feel they were even morea part of me, Jeffrey, Hun,
you just be and shit, Okay, you just be and shit.
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Yeah, you're just sick, Likeyou're a sick person with a sick mind.
You don't need to come up withthis like poetic shit. I thought
that, No, okay, justsay that you're fucking sick and you wanted
to eat human flesh. Don't beataround the bush. On September twenty fourth,
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nineteen ninety, Jeffrey met twenty threeyear old David Thomas at a local
mall. Jeffrey offered David money backto his apartment to take some photos and
have a few beers. Jeffrey thendrugged David. When David had passed out,
Jeffrey decided that he wasn't attracted tohim, but he panicked that if
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jeff that if David woke up,that he would try call the police,
or he would tell the police becausehe brought this man back to his apartment
one thousand percent sober, you know, probably drugged him with coffee and was
like, fucking shit head, Iexplained this, Yeah, So Jeffrey decided
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that the only solution was to killhim. Jeffrey strangled David and disposed of
his body. And Jeffrey didn't killfor several months after this, and he
claims that he felt really guilty aboutit, but that basically it wasn't until
after he had drugged him. Hewas like, I don't find him attractive.
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Oh, I feel so bad fortaking somebody's life that I didn't even
do it. For a couple ofmonths, I didn't I couldn't even kill
anybody for like a while. Ohmy god, it took me a whole
few months. Then on February eighteenth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met seventeen
year old Curtis Stratter at a busstation. Curtis was an aspiring model,
(36:37):
so when Jeffrey offered him money totake some headshots, he felt like he
just had to say yes because hewas seventeen. Jeffrey then drugged and strangled
Curtis once that they got to hisapartment. Jeffrey then disposed of Curtis's body,
but kept his hands, skull andgenitals. Then, on April seventh,
(36:58):
nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met nineteenyear old Errol Lindsay. Jeffrey once
again offered Errol money in exchange forsome photos. Jeffrey drugged and strangled Errol.
Jeffrey then flayed the skin off Errol'sbody. No thank you. He
placed the skin in salt water anattempt to preserve it, but was unsuccessful.
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For somebody that spent a lot ofhis childhood preserving shit, he wasn't
very good at it. No.On May twenty fourth, nineteen ninety one,
Jeffrey met thirty one year old deafmodel Tony Hughes at a local nightclub.
And this is the guy that Netflixput a lot of emphasis on but
watching the documentary, Tony knew Jeffreyfor sure. They had met a couple
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of times before, just because theywere about gay men circling the same nightclubs
and stuff, and one friend,I think, mentions that they possibly did
hook up together multiple times, butit was not in the context that the
series put it in. So Ithink that the series meshed Tony with the
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unnamed guy and that they kind ofjust mixed the two a little bit together
to try to create this story.Tony's friend drove them to Jeffrey's block,
but Jeffrey wouldn't like let the frienddrive to the apartment block, just to
the estate block that you know whatthey call a block. I have no
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idea what's a block, what's ameter, what's a fun like, what's
a yard? I don't get itfrom my understanding. Basically, he let
Tony's friend drive them to the topof the estate, but wouldn't let him
like drive in to where the apartmentblock would have been, so that he
wouldn't know where he lived. Yeah, Jeffrey and Tony sat in the backseat
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writing notes to one another. Thatwas the last time that Tony's friend ever
saw him. Jeffrey drugged and strangledTony to death, and he left Tony's
body lying decomposing on the bedroom floorof his apartment. And Tony's friend was
actually interviewed and was heavily considered asuspect for many years because he didn't know
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I believe he didn't know Jeffrey's name, so he was just like, I
dropped my friend off with a guyat the top of this block here,
and then the police were like shardedshaded. So that was on May twenty
fourth. Then on May twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey picked up
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fourteen year old Connorac Synthasophone, thebrother of some Sack. Jeffrey did not
know at the time that the twoboys had that the two boys were related.
He just saw a young boy thathe wanted to take home. Jeffrey
took Connorac back to his apartment,where Tony's body was still lying on the
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bedroom floor. Jeffrey drugged Connor WhenConaract passed out, Jeffrey decided he wanted
to try out an experiment that hehad previously failed. In this experiment,
after raping the young boy, Jeffreydrilled a hole into the top of Connorac's
head an injected muriatic acid Jeffrey wantedto wanted this to turn his victims into
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a zombie like trance to stop themfrom wanting to leave. At around one
am, Jeffrey had finished with hisexperiment and he left Connorak unconscious on the
sitting room floor to go and buysome more beers. While Jeffrey was out,
Conorac regained consciousness and managed to escapefrom the apartment. He made his
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way to the streets. He wascompletely naked and could barely walk or talk.
He had a fucking hole in hishead. Three young women found Connorac
in this state and they called nineone one. They got a blank get
they placed it around the young boyto keep him warm and to cover him
up, and they waited with himwhile they waited on the police. Whilst
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they were waiting on police, Jeffreyhad come back from buying the beer.
He found three young women with Conorac, and he was like, Oh,
it's fine, he's with me,nothing to worry about it. I'll just
take him upstairs. It's fine.And the women were like, what do
(41:29):
you mean he's with you? You'rea grown ass man. This is an
actual child, and I'm pretty surehe's covered in blood and it's fully he
wasn't covered in blood, but hehad like say, like a trickle,
but he wasn't mean that's enough,like you know. Yeah. So Jeffrey
was trying to take Connorac back intothe building, but the three women wouldn't
(41:52):
let him. He told that theHe told women that Connor was his friend
and he just said too much todrink. Women did not believe this for
a second. The women managed tokeep Jeffrey and out on the streets when
two officers arrived, John Blassarak andJoseph Gabrish. And I am only saying
(42:15):
these names because these men should beabsolutely disgusted with themselves ashamed. Jeffrey was
fully cooperative with the police, answeringall of the questions. He gave them
his name, his address. Hetold the two officers that Conorac was his
nineteen year old boyfriend and that hehad he just had too much to drink.
He then told police that Conorac oftenacted like this after a night of
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drinking. The three women didn't believeany of Jeffrey's story, obviously, and
they began arguing that the boy lookedway too young to be nineteen years of
age. The officers got annoyed bythe women, one of them shouting quote,
shut the hell up and don't tellme how to do my job.
Jeffrey said that it was hard totell the age of Asian people because they
(43:01):
always look younger than they are.Wow, okay, casual racism. Jeffrey
told the police officers that they weremore than welcome to escort the couple back
to the apartment where he had picturesthat he had taken off his boyfriend,
where he still has Tony's body onthe floor. Jeffrey used these pictures to
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prove that Conorac was his partner.Now, he had taken these photos earlier
on that day, but it justhelped him that Conorac was now naked,
so he wasn't in the same outfit. So he was like, look,
we took these couple photos together.The police accepted Jeffrey's story. However,
when Jeffrey opened the door to hisapartment, they got a strong smell.
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The police entered the apartment to havea quick look around. They were about
to enter Jeffrey's bedroom, which iswhere Tony's body was still lying on the
floor, but the officer then decidedthat it was none of his concern.
The officers then told Jeoffrey quote doestake care of em. As they left
(44:05):
the apartment. Within any hour ofpolice leaving, Conac was murdered. If
the police had bothered to go backand do a background check on Jeffrey,
they would have found that he wason probation for the sexual assault of Connarract's
brother. The two officers, JosephGabrich and John Buszak, got back into
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their squad car and over the policescanner made a comment about how it was
a quote, domestic squabble between twohomosexuals, and then went on to say
that they were planning to go backto the precinct to be quote deloused,
No flay, Really fucking great apolice work here, the two of you.
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You should die just feeling so fulfilledthat you really don everything in your
power given to you as a policeofficer to serve and protect the people.
The one award. Actually, Iknow. One of the women that had
called the police, her mother,Glenda Cleveland, called for an update on
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the boy. She rang several times, and every time she called she was
brushed off. When Glenda saw Connorract'smissing person's poster, she rang police again,
but was ignored by her concerns.When Jeffrey was eventually arrested, both
officers were investigated and they were firedfor gross negligence. However, John fought
(45:42):
his dismissal. Quote at the time, with the information we had to this
day, I think we'd done theappropriate thing, the best we could.
You couldn't even open the bedroom door. You, as a police officer,
you know what decomposition smells like.I'm sorry, as a and like,
as a police officer in these biggerareas, you definitely know what de comp
(46:06):
smells like. You do you knowbecause they were gay, Well, because
Jeffrey was gay, you didn't care. You let your prejudice prejudice absolutely like
just ruined the lives of multiple people. In nineteen ninety four, the two
officers were reinstated and worked as policeofficers until the day that they both retired.
(46:28):
So I have no words. Yeah, I just think it's absolutely disgusting
what these I think, like thesepolice officers, I really hope to hell.
And I'm not saying that they're responsiblefor Conoract's death because obviously Jeffrey is
responsible. Jeffrey done it. Ihope these men never slept a night in
(46:50):
their life ever. Fucking again,you walked him back into that apartment,
and I'm sorry you walked him backinto that apartment knowing right well he was
not nineteen, because there is adifference between nineteen year olds and fourteen year
olds. M No. They literallycharged him back to his death. Yeah,
and they just they just didn't carebecause of his age, because of
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oh he's a gay. Literally gonnaleave it there for this evening because I
feel like that's enough trauma. Feellike that is enough trauma for one evening.
Absolutely is so horrific and awful.The crimes that he's committing are horrific
(47:38):
and awful. But when I readabout those two police officers, I was
literally somad because I was like,I was like, you literally walked in,
smelt the d comp and then justdecided to yourself, I was gonna
leave because they're gay, so mand like, you're walking towards the bedroom
(47:58):
door, You're telling me that thesmell isn't getting stronger as you get to
the door, and then you justdecide, you know what, none of
my business, not my concern.He had been lying there for three days
in May, like it's warm inMay. They sure they knew there was
a smell, they could smell it. They just are like, oh,
no, there's somebody out there breakingan open container lots somewhere or jaywalking.
(48:21):
We really need to get them,literally. And it's the fact that then
Glenda Rang when she saw the missingposters, being like, this boy was
like literally like in my apartment complex, or I don't think she was.
I think she was a neighbor.I don't think she she's living the same
apartment, but you know, likeshe was like, he was in my
(48:43):
area the night he went missing.Police walked him up, you walked him
into an apartment, and they werejust like yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's fine. Yeah. But thesecond she even mentioned the police brought him
back, they're going to be like, nah, I'm sure he was fine.
It's nothing to do with us.What the worst thing is is that
(49:05):
his brother some sack, had ranback home, gone to the police and
trusted that the system was going tomake sure that this would never happen to
anybody else again, and then ithappens to his own brother it happens to
the family. Like so later on, during like Jeffrey's trial and stuff like
(49:27):
that, like a few family membersspeak out and I don't know if I
have it in my notes or not, but like this family were like,
why did you target us? Likeyou did this not once but twice to
our family. Yeah, I hopethey sued the police department or the city.
There is a lot of suing thathappens later on in life. Some
(49:52):
of it is towards Lionel. It'sjust an all around sad situation for everybody,
for everybody. Um, next week, I'll do the final episode.
And I'm sorry it's in three parts. It's just there's a lot, unfortunately,
and and I don't want to skipout on any of them because they're
all so important. M yeah,absolutely, So next week I'll talk about
(50:15):
the final few murders and I'll talkabout his arrest and Karen Karmen gets them
a song. I'm gonna say,Karmen gets the Okay, Well, we'll
see you next week. Guys.Oh, we never did otros and we
have no time left orgy go followus on social media's and give us mark
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