November 12, 2023 • 52 mins
Hello everyone! First off, apologies for a delayed episode. We're back this week with the true story behind the The Amityville Horror. In 1974, Ronald DeFeo Jr shot and killed his entire family in cold bold. Not long after, the Lutz famil moved in and supposedly had a wealth of different paranomal experiences. We get to talk about the Warrens again (yippee) and discuss the whole story in this weeks episode.
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Hi, welcome back to give usmore. I'm me I'm Megan, and
we are just a bunch of oversharers. We like to overshare with each other,
we truly do. But at thispoint it's like, is it even
oversharing, It's just it's just sharing. Every time we over share, like
one of us is like, oh, society TMI, and then the other
is like, I don't know themeaning. I like even when I meet
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strangers, and you know, whenyou meet that odd random stranger that gives
you all of those dirty details,I'm like, yes, feed me.
See I do not know the meaningof TMI, Like, open it up,
tell me everything. Permegan is underthe weather and she has come here
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today to iwerk through. I hadsome food and had the worst enap of
my life. But I'm still likereally hot and like I stop shaking,
thank god, Oh that's good.It's like, what the fuck is wrong
with me? I was eating popcorn, pop popcorn, popcorn earlier, and
you know I need like you graba handful because you're at home, so
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you're eating like a rat. Ohonly wait to eat popcorn. Yeah,
So I grabbed a handful and likeI'll chuck out of my hand and I
was like, no, please,do you know whoa She's not even exaggerating,
because that is literally how I pictureyou, reacting, like the popcorn
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is shaking out of your hand andyou're just going why what is happening with
me? And not about her handshaking, about the fact that all the popcorn
fell out of her hat. Iam a slot for popcorn. It is
my favorite food on the face ofthis planet. Microwave, even the white
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cheddar. You know, Megan,no, get yourself together. That's the
illness talking. Microwaved popcorn is elite. It's not as ever cinema popcorn,
but it's up there. Have youever done the like, really the diabetes
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written popcorn where you melt butter separatelyfor your microwave popcorn and then pour it
on. Yeah, because Kyl doesn'tlike buttered popcorn, like a fucking sociopath
that he is, so we haveto get salted. Okay, Okay,
Sorry I was a bit too angryabout that. Okay. I love popcorn
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in most of its forms. Ilove toffee popcorn, I love salt popcorn.
I know what I do not love. I do not love sweet popcorn.
You know when they do all theweird random colors that look shitty,
and so I don't hate it.And you say I'm gross for liking white
cheddar. Yes, Megan, becausecheesy, cheesy popcorn okay, okay,
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but you'll find white cheddar or cheesypopcorn in shops easily. You will not
find sweet popcorn in shops easily,because nobody's eating that shit. You do,
Actually, Meghan, over here inIreland, not in your shity,
little musty spirit. I live inErland and everything is so fucking great.
I'm just literally jealous. I justwant to go home. I bawled my
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eyes out because I saw a TikTokthe other day. There's a few Irish
tiktoks in a row. But theTikTok that triggered me was because it was
an old pope and it was rainingoutside. Wasn't it even like a traditional
old pop. It was like justlike the side of a pope that we'd
see in our town and it wasraining. But God, So last week
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we talked about The Devil Made MeDo It and the actual real life story
behind that movie, and we talkedabout how awful Lorraine Warrener, the real
ed fictional Ed Warren, can youget it anytime, baby, But real
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life Ed Warren, I will callthe police, get out of my home.
Also, the real life Lorraine Warrenlooked like a like absolute wagon of
a thing. I actually do notknow what she looks like. Cold on
Oh my shit. Yeah, they'rehaunted. I feel a presence. Just
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ship yourself. That was the nunand whos this is getting so derailed already.
I'm so thrilled. Today's episode isabout the amity phil horror. I
know we're not going to talk aboutthat really shit Ryan Reynolds version Ryan Reynolds
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in that movie so Fit in anymovie is so Fit that movie. I
don't remember the good like I don'tremember how I felt about the movie.
I just remember seeing it and beinglike, it wasn't that bad. He
was nice to look at. Ithink there's a point where he's topless chopping
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wood. Yes there is, yes, yeah, ingrained in my memory.
Yeap ingrained in every buddy's memory,and for good purpose too. So we'll
just jump right on into the reallife story behind the Amityville Horror. Ronald
Butch de Fayo Junior was born Septembertwenty sixth nineteen fifty one in Brooklyn,
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New York. He was the firstof five children to his mother Louise and
his father, Ronald Senior. RonaldSenior was a very successful carriers salesman,
and the family would have been consideredlike upper middle class at the time.
They were rich, but they weren'tlike big time rich m h. In
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nineteen sixty five, Ronald Senior boughta massive house at one one two Ocean
Avenue in Amityville, New York,near Long Island. The house was five
bedrooms and three bathrooms. It hada swimming pool and a boathouse. I
feel like swimming pools are one ofthose things that when you buy a house,
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you're like, yeah, I'm gonnaI'm going to totally use that swimming
pool. And they never used it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a
bath you know. Yeah. Ronaldwas reportedly very controlling of Louise and the
children, but he was hardest onButch. So I'm just gonna call him
Butch from here on it just tosave confusion as to like which Ronald I'm
talking about. Butch had a difficultchildhood. He was bullied in school for
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being overweight, and then his fatherwas like really hard on him. As
he got older, though, hebegan fighting back against the bullies, and
then he also began fighting back againsthis father. His parents began to genuinely
get concerned about him, like theywere like, oh, no, he
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has like issues. He's fighting back, so he obviously has some issues.
No, no, boy had issues. Okay, he did, He definitely
did. So they brought him tosee a psychiatrist. But Butch refused to
speak to the chiatrists because he waslike, Nah, there's none wrong with
me. I'm cool, I'm fine, I'm gee. So his parents did
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the only rational thing to do inthat situation, and that was to bribe
him into behaving. I can relate. I do that with Nile. They
would give him money and they evenbought him a speed both worth about fourteen
thousand dollars, which today is likebig money. Back then it's big money.
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Yeah back then, Yeah, we'reout. Yeah. And however,
to everyone's shock and horror, itdidn't work and he didn't change his behavior.
By the time he was seventeen yearsold, Butch was addicted to LSD
and heroin. That's crazy for aseventeen year old, Yeah, literally,
Like what the fuck. I feellike you skipped a whole bunch of steps
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there and just went straight in forthe hardcore drugs. Like have you tried
a cigarette yet? I think?What? What the buck? He was
expelled for violent behavior in school,so you know things are going good for
him. When he turned eighteen yearsold, he was given a job working
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for his grandfather in his car dealership. In his teenage years, he'd began
a massive interest in guns, andhe began collecting all different types. That
sounds like a very safe interest fora man like him. I'm so glad
he's nurturing that. He went ona hunting trip with a friend and they
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ended up having a disagreement, soButch threatened to shoot him dead. Yeah
yeah, And then when they gotback from the hunting trip, Butch was
like, nah, I never didthat. Okay, Butch, no,
it wasn't me. On another occasion, Butch got a gun and he pointed
at his father and like pulled thetrigger, and by some miracle, the
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gun never went off. But whatdo you do after that? He just
awkwardly stare at each other be like, okay, I'm going to bed.
Do you just what happens after thatalso, how embarrassing that it didn't work,
because now your dad's going to haveto beat draft. Yeah, like
you tried to shoot the man,so you know. Yeah. Butch began
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feeling underappreciated at his job, despitebeing very well paid by his grandfather for
doing sweet foot all. He feltas though his work was worth more than
what he was getting paid. SoButch decided that he was going to try
an embezzle money from his grandfather's business. He was a stands up guy,
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stand up guy. He was trustedto go to the bank one day to
lodge a large number of checks forhis grandfather. However, Butch decided that
he was going to hire his friendto rob him, and then the pair
agreed that they'd split the money betweenthem. When Butcher arrived back at the
dealership two hours later and told hisgrandfather that he was robbed, things went
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just a little lol smidgeon downhill.His grandfather naturally called nine point one and
was like, my son was burgled, robbed. Checks are missing. So
the police arrived and they had alot of questions for Butch, and he
became very irritated with the officers,and he even like attempted to become violent
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with them. Oh stop it.They had a lot of questions into regard
in regards to where he was fortwo hours, like you got robbed,
and then where we are you fortwo hours? Then for a little coffee
maybe, like what were you doing? Butch began banging on cars and he
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refused to cooperate. Police wanted himto come down to the police station to
have a look at MoG's to seeif he could see his mugger there and
see if you can see the guy. That's great. So he agreed to
do this, and then at thelast minute he threw a tantrum and refused
to go, and he was like, yeah, he's this smarket. Ronald
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Senior became very frustrated with Butch becauseof this, and they got into a
yelling match. He yelled at hisson that he had the devil on his
back before he like stormed out ofthe house. Butch called his father a
fat prick and then threatened to killhim. Sorry, what was this yelling
match? You got the devil onyour back, boy? A bit of
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fat brick? What is happening?God? I hate you and I will
be the night that I will fallfor you. God, Dad, you're
always on my back. Such apreak. You're the devil. This is
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where things took a very dramatic turn, an also devastating turn, in the
early hours of November thirteenth, nineteenseventy three, at the age of twenty
three. He was twenty three,butch appeared to have snapped. He had
a rifle hidden in his bedroom.He took it, and he walked into
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his parents' room. He watched bothhis parents sleeping for a few minutes before
shooting them twice in the back.Oh god. He then went into the
room of his brother his two brothers, Mark and John. He watched his
brothers lay there and then he shotthem. He then watched them die.
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He then went into the room ofhis sister Don and his sister Alison,
and he shot both of them whilethey slept. When he had shot Dawn,
he shot her in the head andhe essentially, because it was a
rifle, he shot off the leftside of her face. Oh my god.
Yeah. Now, the one thingdetectives found odd was that her so
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like essentially the left side of herface had been blown off. She was
soaked in blood. The bed wassoaked in blood like her pillow and everything,
but there was no blood spatter onher headboard. Butch had killed his
entire family in about fifteen minutes,just going from room to room. He
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then went for a bath or ashower to freshen up. He got himself
dressed, sure, he put hisbloody clothes in a pillowcase, and he
got ready for work. At aboutsix am, he headed into work,
throwing the pillowcase of evidence into astorm drain. He put the gun in
the boat house that he'd used.He then got to work, and he
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commented on how weird it was thathis dad wasn't in yet. To be
fair, would you not be ifyou and your dad worked in the same
place, worked in the same place, would you not just go into se
So Butch had a girlfriend at thetime, and so I presume that he
sometimes stayed with the girlfriend and sometimeshe didn't. And so, like they
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would it wouldn't be weird if theydidn't come in together. Mm hmm.
He then called the house and thenhe commented about how it was weird.
Now one picked up the phone.He was like, that's weird, No
one's picking up the phone. Hefinished work early, at about half one
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He went around to his girlfriend's house, and he made sure to mention how
it was weird that he couldn't getahold of his family, So he asked
if he could use her phone tocall the house. He called the house,
and then he commented again about howstrange it was no one was picking
up the phone all day. Ifyou dond's so strange, why don't you
just go home? Yeah, that'salso very true. He then met some
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friends at a pub called Henry's Bear, which was actually quite near his house.
He had a few drinks with hisfriends, again making sure to mention
about how he could not get ahold of anyone from his family all day
long, and this was so weirdand so strange, and his dad never
showed up to work, and what'sgoing on, you know, bazare So
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he headed home at around six pm, and then he ran back into the
pub at six thirty pm shouting quote, you've got to help me. I
think my mother and father are shot. But and a group of his friends
all went back to the house tolike investigate, to like you know.
His friends were like, we'll bringyou back to the house, let's see
what's going on. What do youmean you think like they've been shot,
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you know, of course they naturallyhave questions. When they entered the house,
they found the family dog tied upbarking in the kitchen. When they
went up the stairs, they foundhis parents, who were both forty three
years of age, shot murdered intheir bed. Then they found Don who
was only eighteen. Alison was thirteen, Mark was twelve, and John was
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nine. Butch's friend called nine oneone. The police noticed, like how
to straw Butch was like, Theywere like, oh, oh, this
per guy has just lost his entirefamily, and he was like a mess.
M So Butch told police how hebelieved that this was the work of
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a mobster who had held a grudgeover the family over an argument that had
happened years previous. So police tookButch down to the police station for protection
because they believed he was in danger, because if this was the work of
a mobster who was out to killthe entire family and he was the sole
survivor, he was the next targetof Butcher's story began to change a little
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in details here and there, likeevery time he told it, a detail
will have changed, right, Andso police are like, there's no use.
At last ten Bill m the mobsterthat Butcher had accused, he had
an alibi, and police then obviouslyconnected the dots of who he was and
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learned of his fake robbery that happenednot too long before the murders. Mm
hmm. The next day, policeinterrogated Butch for hours because they were like,
no, like, what is goingon. Your story is different,
There's things that aren't adding on,adding up, spill the tea. It
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felt the fool, and eventually Butcherconfessed to the murder of his family.
Quote, once I started, Ijust couldn't stop. It went so fast.
Yeah, I did, because itonly took you fifteen minutes to annihilate
your whole family, didn't it,Butch? Yep. Butcher's trial began on
October fourteenth, nineteen seventy five,and he tried pleading insanity. He claimed
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that voices made him kill his familyand that it was in self defense.
He killed them before they could killhim because that's what the voices were telling
him. The voices were telling himthat his family were going to kill him.
To be fair, it was metand LSD, wasn't it. He
was like addicted to it that pointheroin, Yeah, heroin and LSDA heroin,
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So like, I don't know,do you get hallucinations and you're on
that shit. Yeah, you definitelywould have hallucinations on LSD for sure.
I don't know so much about heroin, but like you probably fucking did hear
voices. But also, you're notinsane, You're just a drug addict,
sir. Yeah. His defense teamhad a psychiatrist testify that Butch was suffering
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from psychological issues. However, theprosecute had their own psychiatrist, and he
testified that despite him having many drugproblems, he had social personality disorder.
Butch was aware of what he wasdoing at the time of the murders,
like he knew what he was doing. Butch took the stand to testify,
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and it was basically like he'd notlike to stand on like it was so
clear that he'd done it, andhe took the stand, and that literally
does killed his case because he madecomments about how he like basically enjoyed enjoyed
it. Oh oh yeah, he'dlike make comments about how like it was
fun, you know, and you'relike, no, no, you just
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you did it and you're sick.But also you just fucked yourself mith.
Yeah. On November twenty one,nineteen seventy five, Butch was found guilty
on six counts of second degree murder, and on December fourth, nineteen seventy
five, he was sentenced to sixconsecutive life sentences. The judge only six
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guns because that's the only killed sixpeople. Oh yeah, that's right.
Sorry, because I was thinking likehe had five siblings, but he was
one of five. He was oneof the five. Yeah. The judge
claimed that if the Dafeo murders werequote the most heinous murders committed in Suffolk
County since its founding, I believeit. Mm hmmm, No, it's
going to take quickly. Ledwick policehad found that Butch had committed the murders.
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Sorry, and we're back. Iforgot to say we're back. And
police had found that Butch had committedthe murders without help. He didn't use
a silencer, and the coroner confirmedthat no one from the family had been
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drugged. So this left many questions. Mm hmm. I was thinking this,
Why didn't anybody wake up when theparents were shot? How do you
shoot six members of your family ontwo different levels of the house. Without
a single person waking up. Mmhmm. Everyone was lying down, face
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down with bullet wounds in and aroundtheir back, like it was all very
yeah, straightforward. Yes. Acommon theory is that he killed his parents
and that he was able to gaincontrol of his siblings because they were all
younger than him, and that hejust forced them to like stay in their
beds face down until he was likeready to kill them. And also he
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did have a rifle, so hehad that control, that control. Yeah.
The police chief at the time ofthe murders, he struggled to believe
that Butch acted alone, and thecoroner also believed that there were two or
more killers. However, they allsaid that the same gun was used in
all six murders. Butch's grandfather hiredan ex police officer as a private investigator
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to try to figure out who mighthave helped Butch carry out the murders.
The investigation concluded that there were atleast two other people in the house the
knight of the murders, to helpButch control his family and interesting mm hm.
And this investigation also concluded that morethan one gun was used. However,
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no one was ever accused in helpingButch, and there is no way
to ever actually prove that somebody helpedButch. But obviously police and investigate like
private investigators. They have their theorieson who helped them, They have their
suspects, they just can't prove it. Yeah. After his conviction, Butch
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changed his story on what happened tothe night of the murders. He alleged
that his father was abusive to everyonein the household. His father and his
sister Don got into an argument thenight of the murders, and Butch,
Don, and two of his friendsall went down to the basement to drink
and smoke take drugs. All thejazz, Oh, all the jazz.
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Yeah Yeah. While down there,Butch claimed that John had suggested that they
kill their father to stop the abuse, and at first Butch ignored her and
was like, you know what,a silly idea, Shut the fuck up.
But as the drugs set in,he decided that actually, no,
it was a good idea and thathe would help her carry it. The
murders okay, Don, Butch andone of their friends went upstairs with the
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rifle and Don shot their parents.Then their friend fled the scene, so
Butch ran after him to bring himback to the house to force him to
help with the cleanup. And whenhe got back to the house, he
discovered that Don had killed all oftheir siblings. But then fought Don for
the rifle, and if I remembercorrectly, he fought her. He ended
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up pushing her. She fell becameunconscious. He got the rifle and he
decided to shoot her, and heshot her to stop her killing spree.
You need to stop her from killinghim. That was it. Well,
it still makes sense if he sayshis self defense or whatever. Butch said
that Don had shot their mother first. Then their father rose to his feet
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from the sound of the gunshot,and Don shot him once he fell to
the bed, and then she shothim a second time to ensure he was
dead. Butch claimed that then theirmother was lying on the bed, bleeding
out, dying. She was makingnoises. You could hear her wheezing and
all of that. So they shother again to put her out of her
misery. He said, Don's reasoningfor killing all of their siblings was to
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remove them as possible witnesses in anyinvestigation. Now, Butch is known for
a lie, and he's known forlike he literally flip flops on his story
the entire time. Some days likehe't on it solely him, other days
him and three of his friends.Another day it's him and the sister.
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And now the common one that heuses is that it was the sister,
like that's the one that he kindof generally sticks to. But he does
have different variations, and he's useddifferent variations and like interviews and stuff.
Right, so it's like the fuckyeah, now, I will say to
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him. Though Don did have gunpowderresidue on her rope, right, Okay,
So it's like, Okay, Iwonder is there like any different way
that could have gotten there. Onetheory is that he like forced her to
kill their father, hmm okay,or that he like forced her to stand
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beside him and watch him kill.They're like a load of different things that
they could have, you know.Another version of events he claims is that
the night, the night of themurders, there's a fight. Don gets
angry, she gets the rifle,She goes into their parents' room and she
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shoots their father. Their mother Louisewoke up and she becomes hysterical, and
that she essentially fights the gun offDawn and then she began killing her children
one by one from hysteria, andthen he fought his mother for the gun
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and he shot her in self defense. He said that he originally took response
for the murders out of fear ofhow his grandfather would react to the news
that his daughter had killed all ofher children. What a guy. He's
literally blaming everyone else but himself.Yeah, all these dead people that can't
defend themself, else that he killedconveniently, conveniently, Like, who is
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it? Butch? It was someone'sbeen in my room drinking my biss Who
could have been in your room?It was you, Like, someone's been
in my house murdering that family.When I was there, awake on drugs,
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I thought of the well, itwas fucking one ears fucking disgusting,
yea, Honestly, why are theyall staged face down in their bed?
Oh so, if that's the case, why did you go to the pub
and go to work and go toyour girlfriends? Why did you like stage
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a whole scenario of like, whatwhere is my father? I haven't seen
it, Like, oh my god, I didn't aleast murder him? What?
No, Yeah, it's not addingup here, Butch there's a lot
of like it's one of those thingswhere you're never actually going to know what
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really happened, unfortunately, because hehas changed his story so much. But
also he definitely done it. It'sjust like, how did he do it?
And did he actually have help?So the house went up for sale
shortly after Butch was arrested for themurders, and on December eighteenth, nineteen
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seventy five, George and Kathen Lutzbought one one two Ocean Avenue. They
bought the house only thirteen months afterthe murders of the Dafao family, and
they bought it with all of theDafayo's furniture inside of it. Oh no,
don't like that. Don't like thatone bit, including like family portraits.
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Oh no, no no. Butthen at the same time, like,
yeah, who was going to goin? It's called my grandfather.
I don't care who goes in.Why are you keeping the furniture? You're
sick? They paid extra for thefurniture. Okay, they paid me keeping
the furniture. But like family portrait, No, somebody died in that house.
Okay, I don't want to siton the sofa of a murdered woman.
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I mean, maybe I don't wantto eat dinner. I don't know.
I don't think I would be that. I am not dinner where a
family at their dinner the day thatthey were all fucking annihilated. True,
yeah, yeah, that is true. Obviously have a family who bought it
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new No? Yeah yeah. Afamily friend of the Lotses suggested that they
contact a priest to have the houseblessed before they moved in, and they
did do just that. They hada priest come the day that they were
moving in, and as they weremoving their stuff in, the priest went
from room to room, blessing eachroom. He entered the room where Butch
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murdered his younger brothers, and thepriest began flucking his holy water around the
room, reciting his prayers, andas he did this, he heard a
loud masculine voice shout, get out. Oh. The priest apparently never told
Kathy and George about this, buthe told them not to use the room
as a bedroom, and they listened. So Kathy turned it into her sewing
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room, like, you know what, there's a demon in there, but
it's fine as long as you don'tsleep in there. You should be good.
You should be good. I blessedit, so just don't sleep in
there should be fun. Yeah.They claimed that their personalities began to change
from the worst, like immediately.They said that the house would smell of
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bile and cheap perfume, black stainsappearing on the toilets, and nothing would
remove them, not even bleach.That's a really strange manifestation of demons.
That demon shit, yo, willnot come off. Have you tried the
pink stuff? And it's drub daddy. That pink stuff looks miracles. I'm
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telling you, guess, grub Daddy, that's what you need. You do
need a miracle. It gets itgets worse. They claimed that they saw
slime falling town their walls. Noone day. The family said that they
found hundreds of flies in the sewingroom in the middle of winter, which
is like not fly season, Thankfucking God Jesus, not for them.
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And there's a plague happening in thatroom. I hate sleep in it.
There's a place a plague upon yourhouse. Kathy claimed that she began experiencing
unseen Hi, baby, come sleepin this room with me. I'm lonely.
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Oh how I've missed a woman's touch. George was experiencing constant chills and
he would have to sit beside thefire all day. Men, it's middle
winter. You're chopping wood shirtless.Come on, Rylan Reynolds. Of course
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you have to sit aside the fire. I can heat you up if you
want. Okay, just put afucking shirt on. He also began having
terrible nightmares, and he claimed thathe would wake up every night at three
point fifteen am, which is whenthe mergers allegedly took place. What he
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claimed he woke up at three amone night and he saw his wife transform
into an old hag. It wasjust her birthday, she was turning forty.
She just took her makeup off.Bro, No need to be so
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hurtful. Can you imagine if Kylwas like, oh my god, last
night he turned into an old haag. Okay, that's nice. He also
said that the next night she waslevitating off the bed and he had to
pull her back down. The familycontacted the priest again to perform another blessing,
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but he claimed he was still recoveringfrom the first blessing, as he
became extremely ill after visiting the housethe first time. They claimed that one
of their daughters hadn't en friend namedJody, who was a pig with red
eyes. A pig with red eyes. Yes. The daughter claimed that sometimes
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Jody was as big as a teddybear, and other times she was bigger
than the house. She claimed thatshe could see her glowing red eyes in
the middle of the night, andeven outside her window in the late night
darkness. Don't like that. Idon't like that one bit. Actually,
you can keep that one to yourselfif you don't mind. Yeah, I
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don't want to hear that. Andshe said that Jody would also often stand
behind her. Okay, well,if Jody is a pig, how is
she standing? I'm confused. Ijust have a few questions. Do we
have a hand drawn picture of Joeysays now, I'm really interested. I
(35:52):
need to see Jody now. No, I take that back. I don't.
Oh, it's just sucking sexty men. Oh, I was getting excited.
They claimed that whatever was causing whateverthis was, whatever supernatural thing that
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they're experiencing, was causing physical damageto the house. It pulled doors off
hinges, it was scratching presses,it was breaking windows, It was doing
the whole shebang, got slime runningdown the walls like Pickelodian holes. Their
dog reportedly was choking on nothing onetime. Okay, you know what dogs
(36:37):
do that though, I'm not evenbeing funny. Dogs. Sometimes. There
was a rumor that George was practicingblack magic and that's why he wanted to
buy the house because he knew ofthe murders. And it was like,
hmm hmm, black magic, blackmagic, work for it. After twenty
(37:02):
eight days, Megan the family packedup their belongings and moved in with Kathy's
parents. This all happened in twentyeight days. You know what the relationship
that Jody and the kid were ableto build in twenty eight days is.
It's actually kind of impressive. Magical. Yeah, The Lutz family called Ed
(37:23):
Lorraine Warren to come investigate their horrorhouse. So Ed Lorraine come to the
house and they do a seance andLorraine is like, oh my fucking god,
the energy in this house is sojack There's nothing I can do for
you. I'm so sorry, You'regonna have to live with it. There's
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just too much evil in this housethat I just can't expel it. It's
too, evil gets excisaments. DespiteButch being alive, sadly and well serving
his life sentences in prison, Lorraineclaimed she could feel his soul in the
hosse. Oh no, girl,the ray Honey, he's still love though.
(38:13):
She's saying, though, that hissoul is trapped there and there's a
demon in his physical No, no, no, She's just like, I
can feel presence is like soul,hiss like spirits, like bad vibes.
Yeah. Like she's like, henever said, I don't well to my
knowledge anyway, she wasn't like,oh, there's a demon in him.
She was just like, he's justlike left a part of his soul here
(38:36):
because of what he did. Hmmokay, true evil. I can't expel
that, but can we interest youin a book? Deal? They took
photos around the house during the seance, and there is a famous photo from
this which shows a boy with whiteeyes appearing behind a door. I don't
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know if you've ever seen it,Megan, No, I haven't. It's
believed to be a photo of theghost of either John or Mac Defayo Marc
not Mac. Sorry, I'm googlingit. Mm hmmm. I think it's
called the ghost boy photo or somethingor a demonic I'm Gonnaville ghost boy mm
hmm, oh eh, I hatethat photo. I don't like that photo
(39:21):
at all. I feel like it'sjust a photo of a kid though,
Like I don't like my n noghost. He does have white eyes though,
yeah, but that it's a blackand white photo that could just be
like the flash yeah yeah they had. It wasn't just Aid and Lorrain that
we're there. There was like otherpeople there. Can I just say that
the little boy John was absolutely adorable. I know, Yeah, it's very
(39:45):
sad, it's just so cute.A lot of people do question the authenticity
of this photo because, as Isaid, they had people there in the
house, like they had people thatwere working for him and stuff, and
so they took a photo and they'relike, oh, yeah, this is
one of the boys that was murdered. And then a lot of people were
(40:05):
like they could just be somebody thatworks for you that like got accidentally caught
in the photo. Yeah, andlike that's why their eyes are white,
because it's like an accident, Likethey're not actually like posed for the photo
or anything. They just like theyturn in the you know, flashing their
eyes, like the flash like justhit their eyes whatever way they were looking
at the camera. So the Lutzfamily then decided to write a book about
(40:28):
the experiences and they named it likethe Amity phil Horror, but the real
Amaville Horror was the fact that afamily got slaughtered. They're not your fake
made up experiences. Literally literally there'sso they made this book. It became
(40:50):
like a best selling book. Ibelieve it, like I'd probably read it.
The priest that they named in thebook came forward was like, I
never stepped foot in that house.No, oh, my god, embarrassing.
It was like I had a phonecall with them, but I never
went to the house. Ooh,that's so embarrassing for them. Yeah.
(41:16):
So this caused a lot of speculationon how true their story is and was.
As I said, the book wasa best selling novel. They marketed
is nonfiction. Mm hmmm, honey, you're trying to tell me that slime
went Daniel Walls and you're going tomarket it is nonfiction. There was a
(41:38):
red eyed pig neve. There's nodisputing that, no disputing The book went
on to be adapted into several movies. As we all know that grossed millions.
The house was on the market foran exceedingly long time before well after
(41:58):
this, it was like almost knownas a murder house because I'm pretty sure
George Lutts was like trying to saythat, like he felt like he could
hear the voice of Butch de Fayolike telling him to kill his family.
He was like, no, Idon't want to go my family. Yeah,
that's what they all the movies arekind of based on. It's like
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the voice telling the head of thehouse to kill his family, to kill
his family. It was eventually sold. I think it was sold in twenty
seventeen. Someone eventually bought it.They had to change the address, like
they had to legally change it fromone one to Ocean Avenue to like one
o eight Ocean Avenue, And itwas to try and stop people from popping
(42:40):
up at the house. God,because like true crime people and like lovers
of the supernatural and like you know, fans of the movies and fans of
the book, like we're coming tothe house being like, yeah, yeah,
that's the Amityville Hower House. That'sgrim though, but then at the
same time we're true podcasts, solike can we really talk. I wouldn't
(43:02):
go to somebody's home though, Iknow, I know I wouldn't show up
at somebody's home either. If thehome was turned into a museum, heck,
yeah I'm there because now it's opento the public commission. Yeah.
But if it's someone's private home,no, that's their home. Feel like
someone come into your house being like, oh, yeah, that's where you
(43:23):
know. No for cose, thisis my head. That's where Meghan lives.
Wow, famous podcaster, amazing contentwriter. She often do that.
But it didn't Like they did changethe address, but it didn't stop people
from coming because the house in themovie is essentially how the house looks in
real life. Oh okay, solike it's easy to spot because it's on
(43:45):
the fucking cover of the movie.Butch died on March twelfth, twenty twenty
one, at the age of sixtynine, and from unknown causes. It
was never released what killed him,but God for him, he had to
serve a good chunk of prison life, which is what he deserved. M
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I'm pretty sure shame on the luxfamily for trying to cash in and well
successfully cashing in on a really horrible, horrible crime. Yeah, and I
think that's what the worst thing aboutthis is is that the actual murder of
children and two adults gets completely overshadowedby this like weird fake thing that the
(44:34):
Warrens. And it's like they sejuredup, you know, like they've seen
movies and they've seen different things onlike hauntings, and they just like took
from it. Yeah, and it'ssaly one of them like admit that it
was all fake. No, nobody'sever admitted it to being fake. I
don't even know if any of themare alive anymore. I'm pretty sure their
(44:59):
children they just don't want to talkabout it. Yeah, of course.
Well either way, if it wastrue or if it was fag, you
wouldn't want to talk about it.No, it's traumatic either way. It's
traumatic either way because your parents usedyou to like try create this like best
selling novel. This happened to us, This is real life. No,
(45:21):
it wasn't real life. Yeah,Like they placed you in the middle of
all of it, even if itwas real. They brought you to a
house that had horrific things happen init, and Kathy and George knew what
they were moving into. And we'relike, yeah, like we'll get famous
(45:42):
off this. Yeah, twenty eightdays is not really a long time.
So that being said, if itwas true, I wouldn't also be like,
well, why did they wait solong to leave? If they did
wait any longer, yes, andno, I would be like, but
then you see in saying that,like you don't have the money to move
(46:02):
out of these houses, do youknow what I mean? Yeah, Like
I'm pretty sure they bought the housefor like half of what it was worth
just because like the family died init, and then they obviously lived there
for a month, essentially created thisstory, and then sold it for millions
(46:27):
and then the house went up invalue because that's the famous house. Yeah,
I don't know if that was myhouse and I died in it and
people are profiting off of it,Like I'd be haunting this shit out of
that house, you know, Ido. I do. Think It's like
like you're never going to know,like that's the you know, like you're
(46:49):
never going to know what really happenedthe night the whole like the Dafaos were
murdered, and then you're never reallygoing to know what the lots actually experienced.
MM. But it's just like forbecause it's like, if you did
that just for money, you're sick. Yeah, Like a fucking family died
and you're trying to like profit offit by saying that they're all haunting you.
You didn't even wait a few years, you know. Yeah, like
(47:12):
you just literally went straight in.Yeah. And then on top of that,
then it's also sick for the Warrensto also try cash in on it.
Yeah, that's the other thing.Like the Warrens, if we're correct
and what we're saying, they didpollude with this family to be like either
they were like, oh, yeah, your house is totally haunted. Let's
(47:36):
we need to tell the world,or they literally sat in and we're like,
okay, what can we make outof this? Yeah, like hey,
if you call us and tell usall about these experiences, then we
can like make it a bigger dealand then it'll be worth more. Like
they did a two part like aTV special thing. I presume it's on
like that public public channels. Yeah, but they like sat down and I'm
(48:00):
basically for like for two hours orsome shit, sat down and like talked
about like what they experienced at theAmityville House. Yeah, you're like you're
just greedy but fucking died, LikeI know, like we're sitting here making
a podcast on it, but likewe're sitting making a podcast on it,
(48:22):
telling the information of what happened,not being like And then I got lightheaded
and tired. And that was definitelythe Dafaos haunting me because I'm researching their
case. Imagine like what, I'msorry, excuse me. And then I
(48:44):
had some unseen touches. And thenthere was slime on my wall. And
then there's these mysterious stains on mytoilet that was not literally just sounds like
you have a child. And thenthere was like merker on my wall.
Don't know where it came from,like pushing Anna out of the frame,
(49:09):
and now Anna is seeing an imaginaryfriend. Yeah, and like kids don't
make stuff up, you know,never never. That's all I got for
you today, guys. I hopeyou really liked it. Next week,
Megan's gonna tell us a story becauseit's my birfect. So I'm taking it
(49:30):
off. I'm not well. No, I probably still research book. I'll
like, you know, kill Yeah, I won't be like I gotta finish
this. Yeah, and you deserveto chill, you've like, don't like
four in a row. Yeah,but to be fair, the last one,
we're supernatural. I know people actuallydied, but also they were supernatural
(49:52):
and I got to bash on thereal life wirens. So that's always fun.
That's always a plus. Well,I had fun. Guess what happened
to me to other day when Iwas in a shop Okay, I'll never
guess, you get Yeah, Iwas walking minding my business in one of
these aisles and somebody walked by andlike burged into me, and I like
(50:17):
fell into the shelf and I scrapedmy arm and it was bleeding and now
it's a scap. I hope theyhave. I hope they have the week
that they deserve. Yeah, theydidn't even stop, didn't even say sorry
or anything. Freaking rude. Yeah, super rude. Anyway, Sorry,
It's just I could feel it,So that's okay. I needed to share
(50:40):
that story. Then I burned thesame rim on the oven later on in
the day. I break my armearlier on there on the oven taking stuff
out of the oven and work theoven is like like five degrees. So
I hope you enjoyed this week's episode. If you have and you have already
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I said, we talked about TheDevil Made Me Do It, which is
interesting because again it's about the Warrens. And then the week before that,
I talked about Jack the Ripper.That was a two parter that was fun
(51:21):
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Hi, welcome back to give usmore. I'm me I'm Megan, and
we are just a bunch of oversharers. We like to overshare with each other,
we truly do. But at thispoint it's like, is it even
oversharing, It's just it's just sharing. Every time we over share, like
one of us is like, oh, society TMI, and then the other
is like, I don't know themeaning. I like even when I meet
(00:31):
strangers, and you know, whenyou meet that odd random stranger that gives
you all of those dirty details,I'm like, yes, feed me.
See I do not know the meaningof TMI, Like, open it up,
tell me everything. Permegan is underthe weather and she has come here
(00:53):
today to iwerk through. I hadsome food and had the worst enap of
my life. But I'm still likereally hot and like I stop shaking,
thank god, Oh that's good.It's like, what the fuck is wrong
with me? I was eating popcorn, pop popcorn, popcorn earlier, and
you know I need like you graba handful because you're at home, so
(01:15):
you're eating like a rat. Ohonly wait to eat popcorn. Yeah,
So I grabbed a handful and likeI'll chuck out of my hand and I
was like, no, please,do you know whoa She's not even exaggerating,
because that is literally how I pictureyou, reacting, like the popcorn
(01:38):
is shaking out of your hand andyou're just going why what is happening with
me? And not about her handshaking, about the fact that all the popcorn
fell out of her hat. Iam a slot for popcorn. It is
my favorite food on the face ofthis planet. Microwave, even the white
(01:59):
cheddar. You know, Megan,no, get yourself together. That's the
illness talking. Microwaved popcorn is elite. It's not as ever cinema popcorn,
but it's up there. Have youever done the like, really the diabetes
(02:23):
written popcorn where you melt butter separatelyfor your microwave popcorn and then pour it
on. Yeah, because Kyl doesn'tlike buttered popcorn, like a fucking sociopath
that he is, so we haveto get salted. Okay, Okay,
Sorry I was a bit too angryabout that. Okay. I love popcorn
(02:46):
in most of its forms. Ilove toffee popcorn, I love salt popcorn.
I know what I do not love. I do not love sweet popcorn.
You know when they do all theweird random colors that look shitty,
and so I don't hate it.And you say I'm gross for liking white
cheddar. Yes, Megan, becausecheesy, cheesy popcorn okay, okay,
(03:10):
but you'll find white cheddar or cheesypopcorn in shops easily. You will not
find sweet popcorn in shops easily,because nobody's eating that shit. You do,
Actually, Meghan, over here inIreland, not in your shity,
little musty spirit. I live inErland and everything is so fucking great.
I'm just literally jealous. I justwant to go home. I bawled my
(03:38):
eyes out because I saw a TikTokthe other day. There's a few Irish
tiktoks in a row. But theTikTok that triggered me was because it was
an old pope and it was rainingoutside. Wasn't it even like a traditional
old pop. It was like justlike the side of a pope that we'd
see in our town and it wasraining. But God, So last week
(04:03):
we talked about The Devil Made MeDo It and the actual real life story
behind that movie, and we talkedabout how awful Lorraine Warrener, the real
ed fictional Ed Warren, can youget it anytime, baby, But real
(04:25):
life Ed Warren, I will callthe police, get out of my home.
Also, the real life Lorraine Warrenlooked like a like absolute wagon of
a thing. I actually do notknow what she looks like. Cold on
Oh my shit. Yeah, they'rehaunted. I feel a presence. Just
(05:03):
ship yourself. That was the nunand whos this is getting so derailed already.
I'm so thrilled. Today's episode isabout the amity phil horror. I
know we're not going to talk aboutthat really shit Ryan Reynolds version Ryan Reynolds
(05:28):
in that movie so Fit in anymovie is so Fit that movie. I
don't remember the good like I don'tremember how I felt about the movie.
I just remember seeing it and beinglike, it wasn't that bad. He
was nice to look at. Ithink there's a point where he's topless chopping
(05:53):
wood. Yes there is, yes, yeah, ingrained in my memory.
Yeap ingrained in every buddy's memory,and for good purpose too. So we'll
just jump right on into the reallife story behind the Amityville Horror. Ronald
Butch de Fayo Junior was born Septembertwenty sixth nineteen fifty one in Brooklyn,
(06:17):
New York. He was the firstof five children to his mother Louise and
his father, Ronald Senior. RonaldSenior was a very successful carriers salesman,
and the family would have been consideredlike upper middle class at the time.
They were rich, but they weren'tlike big time rich m h. In
(06:38):
nineteen sixty five, Ronald Senior boughta massive house at one one two Ocean
Avenue in Amityville, New York,near Long Island. The house was five
bedrooms and three bathrooms. It hada swimming pool and a boathouse. I
feel like swimming pools are one ofthose things that when you buy a house,
(06:59):
you're like, yeah, I'm gonnaI'm going to totally use that swimming
pool. And they never used it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a
bath you know. Yeah. Ronaldwas reportedly very controlling of Louise and the
children, but he was hardest onButch. So I'm just gonna call him
Butch from here on it just tosave confusion as to like which Ronald I'm
talking about. Butch had a difficultchildhood. He was bullied in school for
(07:21):
being overweight, and then his fatherwas like really hard on him. As
he got older, though, hebegan fighting back against the bullies, and
then he also began fighting back againsthis father. His parents began to genuinely
get concerned about him, like theywere like, oh, no, he
(07:43):
has like issues. He's fighting back, so he obviously has some issues.
No, no, boy had issues. Okay, he did, He definitely
did. So they brought him tosee a psychiatrist. But Butch refused to
speak to the chiatrists because he waslike, Nah, there's none wrong with
me. I'm cool, I'm fine, I'm gee. So his parents did
(08:05):
the only rational thing to do inthat situation, and that was to bribe
him into behaving. I can relate. I do that with Nile. They
would give him money and they evenbought him a speed both worth about fourteen
thousand dollars, which today is likebig money. Back then it's big money.
(08:28):
Yeah back then, Yeah, we'reout. Yeah. And however,
to everyone's shock and horror, itdidn't work and he didn't change his behavior.
By the time he was seventeen yearsold, Butch was addicted to LSD
and heroin. That's crazy for aseventeen year old, Yeah, literally,
Like what the fuck. I feellike you skipped a whole bunch of steps
(08:52):
there and just went straight in forthe hardcore drugs. Like have you tried
a cigarette yet? I think?What? What the buck? He was
expelled for violent behavior in school,so you know things are going good for
him. When he turned eighteen yearsold, he was given a job working
(09:16):
for his grandfather in his car dealership. In his teenage years, he'd began
a massive interest in guns, andhe began collecting all different types. That
sounds like a very safe interest fora man like him. I'm so glad
he's nurturing that. He went ona hunting trip with a friend and they
(09:37):
ended up having a disagreement, soButch threatened to shoot him dead. Yeah
yeah, And then when they gotback from the hunting trip, Butch was
like, nah, I never didthat. Okay, Butch, no,
it wasn't me. On another occasion, Butch got a gun and he pointed
at his father and like pulled thetrigger, and by some miracle, the
(10:01):
gun never went off. But whatdo you do after that? He just
awkwardly stare at each other be like, okay, I'm going to bed.
Do you just what happens after thatalso, how embarrassing that it didn't work,
because now your dad's going to haveto beat draft. Yeah, like
you tried to shoot the man,so you know. Yeah. Butch began
(10:26):
feeling underappreciated at his job, despitebeing very well paid by his grandfather for
doing sweet foot all. He feltas though his work was worth more than
what he was getting paid. SoButch decided that he was going to try
an embezzle money from his grandfather's business. He was a stands up guy,
(10:48):
stand up guy. He was trustedto go to the bank one day to
lodge a large number of checks forhis grandfather. However, Butch decided that
he was going to hire his friendto rob him, and then the pair
agreed that they'd split the money betweenthem. When Butcher arrived back at the
dealership two hours later and told hisgrandfather that he was robbed, things went
(11:11):
just a little lol smidgeon downhill.His grandfather naturally called nine point one and
was like, my son was burgled, robbed. Checks are missing. So
the police arrived and they had alot of questions for Butch, and he
became very irritated with the officers,and he even like attempted to become violent
(11:31):
with them. Oh stop it.They had a lot of questions into regard
in regards to where he was fortwo hours, like you got robbed,
and then where we are you fortwo hours? Then for a little coffee
maybe, like what were you doing? Butch began banging on cars and he
(11:54):
refused to cooperate. Police wanted himto come down to the police station to
have a look at MoG's to seeif he could see his mugger there and
see if you can see the guy. That's great. So he agreed to
do this, and then at thelast minute he threw a tantrum and refused
to go, and he was like, yeah, he's this smarket. Ronald
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Senior became very frustrated with Butch becauseof this, and they got into a
yelling match. He yelled at hisson that he had the devil on his
back before he like stormed out ofthe house. Butch called his father a
fat prick and then threatened to killhim. Sorry, what was this yelling
match? You got the devil onyour back, boy? A bit of
(12:41):
fat brick? What is happening?God? I hate you and I will
be the night that I will fallfor you. God, Dad, you're
always on my back. Such apreak. You're the devil. This is
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where things took a very dramatic turn, an also devastating turn, in the
early hours of November thirteenth, nineteenseventy three, at the age of twenty
three. He was twenty three,butch appeared to have snapped. He had
a rifle hidden in his bedroom.He took it, and he walked into
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his parents' room. He watched bothhis parents sleeping for a few minutes before
shooting them twice in the back.Oh god. He then went into the
room of his brother his two brothers, Mark and John. He watched his
brothers lay there and then he shotthem. He then watched them die.
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He then went into the room ofhis sister Don and his sister Alison,
and he shot both of them whilethey slept. When he had shot Dawn,
he shot her in the head andhe essentially, because it was a
rifle, he shot off the leftside of her face. Oh my god.
Yeah. Now, the one thingdetectives found odd was that her so
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like essentially the left side of herface had been blown off. She was
soaked in blood. The bed wassoaked in blood like her pillow and everything,
but there was no blood spatter onher headboard. Butch had killed his
entire family in about fifteen minutes,just going from room to room. He
(14:37):
then went for a bath or ashower to freshen up. He got himself
dressed, sure, he put hisbloody clothes in a pillowcase, and he
got ready for work. At aboutsix am, he headed into work,
throwing the pillowcase of evidence into astorm drain. He put the gun in
the boat house that he'd used.He then got to work, and he
(15:01):
commented on how weird it was thathis dad wasn't in yet. To be
fair, would you not be ifyou and your dad worked in the same
place, worked in the same place, would you not just go into se
So Butch had a girlfriend at thetime, and so I presume that he
sometimes stayed with the girlfriend and sometimeshe didn't. And so, like they
(15:22):
would it wouldn't be weird if theydidn't come in together. Mm hmm.
He then called the house and thenhe commented about how it was weird.
Now one picked up the phone.He was like, that's weird, No
one's picking up the phone. Hefinished work early, at about half one
(15:43):
He went around to his girlfriend's house, and he made sure to mention how
it was weird that he couldn't getahold of his family, So he asked
if he could use her phone tocall the house. He called the house,
and then he commented again about howstrange it was no one was picking
up the phone all day. Ifyou dond's so strange, why don't you
just go home? Yeah, that'salso very true. He then met some
(16:07):
friends at a pub called Henry's Bear, which was actually quite near his house.
He had a few drinks with hisfriends, again making sure to mention
about how he could not get ahold of anyone from his family all day
long, and this was so weirdand so strange, and his dad never
showed up to work, and what'sgoing on, you know, bazare So
(16:30):
he headed home at around six pm, and then he ran back into the
pub at six thirty pm shouting quote, you've got to help me. I
think my mother and father are shot. But and a group of his friends
all went back to the house tolike investigate, to like you know.
His friends were like, we'll bringyou back to the house, let's see
what's going on. What do youmean you think like they've been shot,
(16:52):
you know, of course they naturallyhave questions. When they entered the house,
they found the family dog tied upbarking in the kitchen. When they
went up the stairs, they foundhis parents, who were both forty three
years of age, shot murdered intheir bed. Then they found Don who
was only eighteen. Alison was thirteen, Mark was twelve, and John was
(17:17):
nine. Butch's friend called nine oneone. The police noticed, like how
to straw Butch was like, Theywere like, oh, oh, this
per guy has just lost his entirefamily, and he was like a mess.
M So Butch told police how hebelieved that this was the work of
(17:37):
a mobster who had held a grudgeover the family over an argument that had
happened years previous. So police tookButch down to the police station for protection
because they believed he was in danger, because if this was the work of
a mobster who was out to killthe entire family and he was the sole
survivor, he was the next targetof Butcher's story began to change a little
(18:03):
in details here and there, likeevery time he told it, a detail
will have changed, right, Andso police are like, there's no use.
At last ten Bill m the mobsterthat Butcher had accused, he had
an alibi, and police then obviouslyconnected the dots of who he was and
(18:26):
learned of his fake robbery that happenednot too long before the murders. Mm
hmm. The next day, policeinterrogated Butch for hours because they were like,
no, like, what is goingon. Your story is different,
There's things that aren't adding on,adding up, spill the tea. It
(18:48):
felt the fool, and eventually Butcherconfessed to the murder of his family.
Quote, once I started, Ijust couldn't stop. It went so fast.
Yeah, I did, because itonly took you fifteen minutes to annihilate
your whole family, didn't it,Butch? Yep. Butcher's trial began on
October fourteenth, nineteen seventy five,and he tried pleading insanity. He claimed
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that voices made him kill his familyand that it was in self defense.
He killed them before they could killhim because that's what the voices were telling
him. The voices were telling himthat his family were going to kill him.
To be fair, it was metand LSD, wasn't it. He
was like addicted to it that pointheroin, Yeah, heroin and LSDA heroin,
(19:33):
So like, I don't know,do you get hallucinations and you're on
that shit. Yeah, you definitelywould have hallucinations on LSD for sure.
I don't know so much about heroin, but like you probably fucking did hear
voices. But also, you're notinsane, You're just a drug addict,
sir. Yeah. His defense teamhad a psychiatrist testify that Butch was suffering
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from psychological issues. However, theprosecute had their own psychiatrist, and he
testified that despite him having many drugproblems, he had social personality disorder.
Butch was aware of what he wasdoing at the time of the murders,
like he knew what he was doing. Butch took the stand to testify,
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and it was basically like he'd notlike to stand on like it was so
clear that he'd done it, andhe took the stand, and that literally
does killed his case because he madecomments about how he like basically enjoyed enjoyed
it. Oh oh yeah, he'dlike make comments about how like it was
fun, you know, and you'relike, no, no, you just
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you did it and you're sick.But also you just fucked yourself mith.
Yeah. On November twenty one,nineteen seventy five, Butch was found guilty
on six counts of second degree murder, and on December fourth, nineteen seventy
five, he was sentenced to sixconsecutive life sentences. The judge only six
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guns because that's the only killed sixpeople. Oh yeah, that's right.
Sorry, because I was thinking likehe had five siblings, but he was
one of five. He was oneof the five. Yeah. The judge
claimed that if the Dafeo murders werequote the most heinous murders committed in Suffolk
County since its founding, I believeit. Mm hmmm, No, it's
going to take quickly. Ledwick policehad found that Butch had committed the murders.
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Sorry, and we're back. Iforgot to say we're back. And
police had found that Butch had committedthe murders without help. He didn't use
a silencer, and the coroner confirmedthat no one from the family had been
(21:57):
drugged. So this left many questions. Mm hmm. I was thinking this,
Why didn't anybody wake up when theparents were shot? How do you
shoot six members of your family ontwo different levels of the house. Without
a single person waking up. Mmhmm. Everyone was lying down, face
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down with bullet wounds in and aroundtheir back, like it was all very
yeah, straightforward. Yes. Acommon theory is that he killed his parents
and that he was able to gaincontrol of his siblings because they were all
younger than him, and that hejust forced them to like stay in their
beds face down until he was likeready to kill them. And also he
(22:44):
did have a rifle, so hehad that control, that control. Yeah.
The police chief at the time ofthe murders, he struggled to believe
that Butch acted alone, and thecoroner also believed that there were two or
more killers. However, they allsaid that the same gun was used in
all six murders. Butch's grandfather hiredan ex police officer as a private investigator
(23:08):
to try to figure out who mighthave helped Butch carry out the murders.
The investigation concluded that there were atleast two other people in the house the
knight of the murders, to helpButch control his family and interesting mm hm.
And this investigation also concluded that morethan one gun was used. However,
(23:30):
no one was ever accused in helpingButch, and there is no way
to ever actually prove that somebody helpedButch. But obviously police and investigate like
private investigators. They have their theorieson who helped them, They have their
suspects, they just can't prove it. Yeah. After his conviction, Butch
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changed his story on what happened tothe night of the murders. He alleged
that his father was abusive to everyonein the household. His father and his
sister Don got into an argument thenight of the murders, and Butch,
Don, and two of his friendsall went down to the basement to drink
and smoke take drugs. All thejazz, Oh, all the jazz.
(24:17):
Yeah Yeah. While down there,Butch claimed that John had suggested that they
kill their father to stop the abuse, and at first Butch ignored her and
was like, you know what,a silly idea, Shut the fuck up.
But as the drugs set in,he decided that actually, no,
it was a good idea and thathe would help her carry it. The
murders okay, Don, Butch andone of their friends went upstairs with the
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rifle and Don shot their parents.Then their friend fled the scene, so
Butch ran after him to bring himback to the house to force him to
help with the cleanup. And whenhe got back to the house, he
discovered that Don had killed all oftheir siblings. But then fought Don for
the rifle, and if I remembercorrectly, he fought her. He ended
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up pushing her. She fell becameunconscious. He got the rifle and he
decided to shoot her, and heshot her to stop her killing spree.
You need to stop her from killinghim. That was it. Well,
it still makes sense if he sayshis self defense or whatever. Butch said
that Don had shot their mother first. Then their father rose to his feet
(25:30):
from the sound of the gunshot,and Don shot him once he fell to
the bed, and then she shothim a second time to ensure he was
dead. Butch claimed that then theirmother was lying on the bed, bleeding
out, dying. She was makingnoises. You could hear her wheezing and
all of that. So they shother again to put her out of her
misery. He said, Don's reasoningfor killing all of their siblings was to
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remove them as possible witnesses in anyinvestigation. Now, Butch is known for
a lie, and he's known forlike he literally flip flops on his story
the entire time. Some days likehe't on it solely him, other days
him and three of his friends.Another day it's him and the sister.
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And now the common one that heuses is that it was the sister,
like that's the one that he kindof generally sticks to. But he does
have different variations, and he's useddifferent variations and like interviews and stuff.
Right, so it's like the fuckyeah, now, I will say to
(26:37):
him. Though Don did have gunpowderresidue on her rope, right, Okay,
So it's like, Okay, Iwonder is there like any different way
that could have gotten there. Onetheory is that he like forced her to
kill their father, hmm okay,or that he like forced her to stand
(26:59):
beside him and watch him kill.They're like a load of different things that
they could have, you know.Another version of events he claims is that
the night, the night of themurders, there's a fight. Don gets
angry, she gets the rifle,She goes into their parents' room and she
(27:19):
shoots their father. Their mother Louisewoke up and she becomes hysterical, and
that she essentially fights the gun offDawn and then she began killing her children
one by one from hysteria, andthen he fought his mother for the gun
(27:41):
and he shot her in self defense. He said that he originally took response
for the murders out of fear ofhow his grandfather would react to the news
that his daughter had killed all ofher children. What a guy. He's
literally blaming everyone else but himself.Yeah, all these dead people that can't
defend themself, else that he killedconveniently, conveniently, Like, who is
(28:07):
it? Butch? It was someone'sbeen in my room drinking my biss Who
could have been in your room?It was you, Like, someone's been
in my house murdering that family.When I was there, awake on drugs,
(28:29):
I thought of the well, itwas fucking one ears fucking disgusting,
yea, Honestly, why are theyall staged face down in their bed?
Oh so, if that's the case, why did you go to the pub
and go to work and go toyour girlfriends? Why did you like stage
(28:51):
a whole scenario of like, whatwhere is my father? I haven't seen
it, Like, oh my god, I didn't aleast murder him? What?
No, Yeah, it's not addingup here, Butch there's a lot
of like it's one of those thingswhere you're never actually going to know what
(29:15):
really happened, unfortunately, because hehas changed his story so much. But
also he definitely done it. It'sjust like, how did he do it?
And did he actually have help?So the house went up for sale
shortly after Butch was arrested for themurders, and on December eighteenth, nineteen
(29:40):
seventy five, George and Kathen Lutzbought one one two Ocean Avenue. They
bought the house only thirteen months afterthe murders of the Dafao family, and
they bought it with all of theDafayo's furniture inside of it. Oh no,
don't like that. Don't like thatone bit, including like family portraits.
(30:02):
Oh no, no no. Butthen at the same time, like,
yeah, who was going to goin? It's called my grandfather.
I don't care who goes in.Why are you keeping the furniture? You're
sick? They paid extra for thefurniture. Okay, they paid me keeping
the furniture. But like family portrait, No, somebody died in that house.
Okay, I don't want to siton the sofa of a murdered woman.
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I mean, maybe I don't wantto eat dinner. I don't know.
I don't think I would be that. I am not dinner where a
family at their dinner the day thatthey were all fucking annihilated. True,
yeah, yeah, that is true. Obviously have a family who bought it
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new No? Yeah yeah. Afamily friend of the Lotses suggested that they
contact a priest to have the houseblessed before they moved in, and they
did do just that. They hada priest come the day that they were
moving in, and as they weremoving their stuff in, the priest went
from room to room, blessing eachroom. He entered the room where Butch
(31:10):
murdered his younger brothers, and thepriest began flucking his holy water around the
room, reciting his prayers, andas he did this, he heard a
loud masculine voice shout, get out. Oh. The priest apparently never told
Kathy and George about this, buthe told them not to use the room
as a bedroom, and they listened. So Kathy turned it into her sewing
(31:34):
room, like, you know what, there's a demon in there, but
it's fine as long as you don'tsleep in there. You should be good.
You should be good. I blessedit, so just don't sleep in
there should be fun. Yeah.They claimed that their personalities began to change
from the worst, like immediately.They said that the house would smell of
(31:56):
bile and cheap perfume, black stainsappearing on the toilets, and nothing would
remove them, not even bleach.That's a really strange manifestation of demons.
That demon shit, yo, willnot come off. Have you tried the
pink stuff? And it's drub daddy. That pink stuff looks miracles. I'm
(32:20):
telling you, guess, grub Daddy, that's what you need. You do
need a miracle. It gets itgets worse. They claimed that they saw
slime falling town their walls. Noone day. The family said that they
found hundreds of flies in the sewingroom in the middle of winter, which
is like not fly season, Thankfucking God Jesus, not for them.
(32:45):
And there's a plague happening in thatroom. I hate sleep in it.
There's a place a plague upon yourhouse. Kathy claimed that she began experiencing
unseen Hi, baby, come sleepin this room with me. I'm lonely.
(33:10):
Oh how I've missed a woman's touch. George was experiencing constant chills and
he would have to sit beside thefire all day. Men, it's middle
winter. You're chopping wood shirtless.Come on, Rylan Reynolds. Of course
(33:32):
you have to sit aside the fire. I can heat you up if you
want. Okay, just put afucking shirt on. He also began having
terrible nightmares, and he claimed thathe would wake up every night at three
point fifteen am, which is whenthe mergers allegedly took place. What he
(34:01):
claimed he woke up at three amone night and he saw his wife transform
into an old hag. It wasjust her birthday, she was turning forty.
She just took her makeup off.Bro, No need to be so
(34:22):
hurtful. Can you imagine if Kylwas like, oh my god, last
night he turned into an old haag. Okay, that's nice. He also
said that the next night she waslevitating off the bed and he had to
pull her back down. The familycontacted the priest again to perform another blessing,
(34:47):
but he claimed he was still recoveringfrom the first blessing, as he
became extremely ill after visiting the housethe first time. They claimed that one
of their daughters hadn't en friend namedJody, who was a pig with red
eyes. A pig with red eyes. Yes. The daughter claimed that sometimes
(35:08):
Jody was as big as a teddybear, and other times she was bigger
than the house. She claimed thatshe could see her glowing red eyes in
the middle of the night, andeven outside her window in the late night
darkness. Don't like that. Idon't like that one bit. Actually,
you can keep that one to yourselfif you don't mind. Yeah, I
(35:30):
don't want to hear that. Andshe said that Jody would also often stand
behind her. Okay, well,if Jody is a pig, how is
she standing? I'm confused. Ijust have a few questions. Do we
have a hand drawn picture of Joeysays now, I'm really interested. I
(35:52):
need to see Jody now. No, I take that back. I don't.
Oh, it's just sucking sexty men. Oh, I was getting excited.
They claimed that whatever was causing whateverthis was, whatever supernatural thing that
(36:15):
they're experiencing, was causing physical damageto the house. It pulled doors off
hinges, it was scratching presses,it was breaking windows, It was doing
the whole shebang, got slime runningdown the walls like Pickelodian holes. Their
dog reportedly was choking on nothing onetime. Okay, you know what dogs
(36:37):
do that though, I'm not evenbeing funny. Dogs. Sometimes. There
was a rumor that George was practicingblack magic and that's why he wanted to
buy the house because he knew ofthe murders. And it was like,
hmm hmm, black magic, blackmagic, work for it. After twenty
(37:02):
eight days, Megan the family packedup their belongings and moved in with Kathy's
parents. This all happened in twentyeight days. You know what the relationship
that Jody and the kid were ableto build in twenty eight days is.
It's actually kind of impressive. Magical. Yeah, The Lutz family called Ed
(37:23):
Lorraine Warren to come investigate their horrorhouse. So Ed Lorraine come to the
house and they do a seance andLorraine is like, oh my fucking god,
the energy in this house is sojack There's nothing I can do for
you. I'm so sorry, You'regonna have to live with it. There's
(37:43):
just too much evil in this housethat I just can't expel it. It's
too, evil gets excisaments. DespiteButch being alive, sadly and well serving
his life sentences in prison, Lorraineclaimed she could feel his soul in the
hosse. Oh no, girl,the ray Honey, he's still love though.
(38:13):
She's saying, though, that hissoul is trapped there and there's a
demon in his physical No, no, no, She's just like, I
can feel presence is like soul,hiss like spirits, like bad vibes.
Yeah. Like she's like, henever said, I don't well to my
knowledge anyway, she wasn't like,oh, there's a demon in him.
She was just like, he's justlike left a part of his soul here
(38:36):
because of what he did. Hmmokay, true evil. I can't expel
that, but can we interest youin a book? Deal? They took
photos around the house during the seance, and there is a famous photo from
this which shows a boy with whiteeyes appearing behind a door. I don't
(38:58):
know if you've ever seen it,Megan, No, I haven't. It's
believed to be a photo of theghost of either John or Mac Defayo Marc
not Mac. Sorry, I'm googlingit. Mm hmmm. I think it's
called the ghost boy photo or somethingor a demonic I'm Gonnaville ghost boy mm
hmm, oh eh, I hatethat photo. I don't like that photo
(39:21):
at all. I feel like it'sjust a photo of a kid though,
Like I don't like my n noghost. He does have white eyes though,
yeah, but that it's a blackand white photo that could just be
like the flash yeah yeah they had. It wasn't just Aid and Lorrain that
we're there. There was like otherpeople there. Can I just say that
the little boy John was absolutely adorable. I know, Yeah, it's very
(39:45):
sad, it's just so cute.A lot of people do question the authenticity
of this photo because, as Isaid, they had people there in the
house, like they had people thatwere working for him and stuff, and
so they took a photo and they'relike, oh, yeah, this is
one of the boys that was murdered. And then a lot of people were
(40:05):
like they could just be somebody thatworks for you that like got accidentally caught
in the photo. Yeah, andlike that's why their eyes are white,
because it's like an accident, Likethey're not actually like posed for the photo
or anything. They just like theyturn in the you know, flashing their
eyes, like the flash like justhit their eyes whatever way they were looking
at the camera. So the Lutzfamily then decided to write a book about
(40:28):
the experiences and they named it likethe Amity phil Horror, but the real
Amaville Horror was the fact that afamily got slaughtered. They're not your fake
made up experiences. Literally literally there'sso they made this book. It became
(40:50):
like a best selling book. Ibelieve it, like I'd probably read it.
The priest that they named in thebook came forward was like, I
never stepped foot in that house.No, oh, my god, embarrassing.
It was like I had a phonecall with them, but I never
went to the house. Ooh,that's so embarrassing for them. Yeah.
(41:16):
So this caused a lot of speculationon how true their story is and was.
As I said, the book wasa best selling novel. They marketed
is nonfiction. Mm hmmm, honey, you're trying to tell me that slime
went Daniel Walls and you're going tomarket it is nonfiction. There was a
(41:38):
red eyed pig neve. There's nodisputing that, no disputing The book went
on to be adapted into several movies. As we all know that grossed millions.
The house was on the market foran exceedingly long time before well after
(41:58):
this, it was like almost knownas a murder house because I'm pretty sure
George Lutts was like trying to saythat, like he felt like he could
hear the voice of Butch de Fayolike telling him to kill his family.
He was like, no, Idon't want to go my family. Yeah,
that's what they all the movies arekind of based on. It's like
(42:19):
the voice telling the head of thehouse to kill his family, to kill
his family. It was eventually sold. I think it was sold in twenty
seventeen. Someone eventually bought it.They had to change the address, like
they had to legally change it fromone one to Ocean Avenue to like one
o eight Ocean Avenue, And itwas to try and stop people from popping
(42:40):
up at the house. God,because like true crime people and like lovers
of the supernatural and like you know, fans of the movies and fans of
the book, like we're coming tothe house being like, yeah, yeah,
that's the Amityville Hower House. That'sgrim though, but then at the
same time we're true podcasts, solike can we really talk. I wouldn't
(43:02):
go to somebody's home though, Iknow, I know I wouldn't show up
at somebody's home either. If thehome was turned into a museum, heck,
yeah I'm there because now it's opento the public commission. Yeah.
But if it's someone's private home,no, that's their home. Feel like
someone come into your house being like, oh, yeah, that's where you
(43:23):
know. No for cose, thisis my head. That's where Meghan lives.
Wow, famous podcaster, amazing contentwriter. She often do that.
But it didn't Like they did changethe address, but it didn't stop people
from coming because the house in themovie is essentially how the house looks in
real life. Oh okay, solike it's easy to spot because it's on
(43:45):
the fucking cover of the movie.Butch died on March twelfth, twenty twenty
one, at the age of sixtynine, and from unknown causes. It
was never released what killed him,but God for him, he had to
serve a good chunk of prison life, which is what he deserved. M
(44:07):
I'm pretty sure shame on the luxfamily for trying to cash in and well
successfully cashing in on a really horrible, horrible crime. Yeah, and I
think that's what the worst thing aboutthis is is that the actual murder of
children and two adults gets completely overshadowedby this like weird fake thing that the
(44:34):
Warrens. And it's like they sejuredup, you know, like they've seen
movies and they've seen different things onlike hauntings, and they just like took
from it. Yeah, and it'ssaly one of them like admit that it
was all fake. No, nobody'sever admitted it to being fake. I
don't even know if any of themare alive anymore. I'm pretty sure their
(44:59):
children they just don't want to talkabout it. Yeah, of course.
Well either way, if it wastrue or if it was fag, you
wouldn't want to talk about it.No, it's traumatic either way. It's
traumatic either way because your parents usedyou to like try create this like best
selling novel. This happened to us, This is real life. No,
(45:21):
it wasn't real life. Yeah,Like they placed you in the middle of
all of it, even if itwas real. They brought you to a
house that had horrific things happen init, and Kathy and George knew what
they were moving into. And we'relike, yeah, like we'll get famous
(45:42):
off this. Yeah, twenty eightdays is not really a long time.
So that being said, if itwas true, I wouldn't also be like,
well, why did they wait solong to leave? If they did
wait any longer, yes, andno, I would be like, but
then you see in saying that,like you don't have the money to move
(46:02):
out of these houses, do youknow what I mean? Yeah, Like
I'm pretty sure they bought the housefor like half of what it was worth
just because like the family died init, and then they obviously lived there
for a month, essentially created thisstory, and then sold it for millions
(46:27):
and then the house went up invalue because that's the famous house. Yeah,
I don't know if that was myhouse and I died in it and
people are profiting off of it,Like I'd be haunting this shit out of
that house, you know, Ido. I do. Think It's like
like you're never going to know,like that's the you know, like you're
(46:49):
never going to know what really happenedthe night the whole like the Dafaos were
murdered, and then you're never reallygoing to know what the lots actually experienced.
MM. But it's just like forbecause it's like, if you did
that just for money, you're sick. Yeah, Like a fucking family died
and you're trying to like profit offit by saying that they're all haunting you.
You didn't even wait a few years, you know. Yeah, like
(47:12):
you just literally went straight in.Yeah. And then on top of that,
then it's also sick for the Warrensto also try cash in on it.
Yeah, that's the other thing.Like the Warrens, if we're correct
and what we're saying, they didpollude with this family to be like either
they were like, oh, yeah, your house is totally haunted. Let's
(47:36):
we need to tell the world,or they literally sat in and we're like,
okay, what can we make outof this? Yeah, like hey,
if you call us and tell usall about these experiences, then we
can like make it a bigger dealand then it'll be worth more. Like
they did a two part like aTV special thing. I presume it's on
like that public public channels. Yeah, but they like sat down and I'm
(48:00):
basically for like for two hours orsome shit, sat down and like talked
about like what they experienced at theAmityville House. Yeah, you're like you're
just greedy but fucking died, LikeI know, like we're sitting here making
a podcast on it, but likewe're sitting making a podcast on it,
(48:22):
telling the information of what happened,not being like And then I got lightheaded
and tired. And that was definitelythe Dafaos haunting me because I'm researching their
case. Imagine like what, I'msorry, excuse me. And then I
(48:44):
had some unseen touches. And thenthere was slime on my wall. And
then there's these mysterious stains on mytoilet that was not literally just sounds like
you have a child. And thenthere was like merker on my wall.
Don't know where it came from,like pushing Anna out of the frame,
(49:09):
and now Anna is seeing an imaginaryfriend. Yeah, and like kids don't
make stuff up, you know,never never. That's all I got for
you today, guys. I hopeyou really liked it. Next week,
Megan's gonna tell us a story becauseit's my birfect. So I'm taking it
(49:30):
off. I'm not well. No, I probably still research book. I'll
like, you know, kill Yeah, I won't be like I gotta finish
this. Yeah, and you deserveto chill, you've like, don't like
four in a row. Yeah,but to be fair, the last one,
we're supernatural. I know people actuallydied, but also they were supernatural
(49:52):
and I got to bash on thereal life wirens. So that's always fun.
That's always a plus. Well,I had fun. Guess what happened
to me to other day when Iwas in a shop Okay, I'll never
guess, you get Yeah, Iwas walking minding my business in one of
these aisles and somebody walked by andlike burged into me, and I like
(50:17):
fell into the shelf and I scrapedmy arm and it was bleeding and now
it's a scap. I hope theyhave. I hope they have the week
that they deserve. Yeah, theydidn't even stop, didn't even say sorry
or anything. Freaking rude. Yeah, super rude. Anyway, Sorry,
It's just I could feel it,So that's okay. I needed to share
(50:40):
that story. Then I burned thesame rim on the oven later on in
the day. I break my armearlier on there on the oven taking stuff
out of the oven and work theoven is like like five degrees. So
I hope you enjoyed this week's episode. If you have and you have already
(51:00):
done, so check out some ofour other stuff. Last week, as
I said, we talked about TheDevil Made Me Do It, which is
interesting because again it's about the Warrens. And then the week before that,
I talked about Jack the Ripper.That was a two parter that was fun
(51:21):
because I enjoyed the like really reallyold cases. They're fun. They're like
fun to research, yeah, whichI know sense fad, but it's like
it's like old timey. Yeah,yeah, I get it. And if
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