April 22, 2023 • 57 mins
Join us this week for the second installment of our coverage of Peter Sutcliffe, also known as the elusive Yorkshire Ripper.
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Episode Transcript
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(00:10):
Hi, welcome back to give usMark leave. I'm Megan and oh we
Oh my god. When this episodecomes out, we'll have seen paramore.
I'm so excited. I'm so fuckingexcited. Yeah. No, the both
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of us are gonna be absolutely robbed. Robin us no rabbit. We will
be like a squirrel with rabies.So I have a fuck marry kill for
you. Oh fun, Okay,give it to me. Roast potatoes,
mashed potatoes, or chips like fries. Fuck, marry your kill. I'm
(00:54):
going to kill the roasties. I'mgoing to marry the chips. So you're
gonna fuck the mashed potato. Yeah, okay, here's one for you.
Garlic potatoes, chips or fried potatoFried potatoes? Do you mean like fried
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slices of potato? Yeah, likelike fried and a frying pan, like
mmmmmm. Okay, So I'm gonnakill the fried potato. I'm gonna marry
the chips. I'm gonna marry thechips because you know what chips are so
um they can't go with anything.You know why. I also married the
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chips because like you're having a burgerchips, you're having chicken nuggets chips you
know, you're having a pizza sideof chips, like you have chips with
everything. You're having a mental healthcrisis. Chips chips, And I'm gonna
say chips, we mean rise butfries. So for those Americans, we
mean fries. I'm gonna fuck thegarlic potatoes because you only have them once
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in a while anyway, but they'reso damn good. Would they make you
feel so bad afterwards? Like abat one might stand? So Megan has
ips, I'm an Ibbs girl,and so the creamy garlic potatoes don't tend
to agree with her. I shan'tbe having those before the concert anyway.
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I'd prefer if you didn't. Ifeel like I'm gonna need like a nervous
poo before the concert. It's like, what if they see me, I'll
stand guard at the bathroom door.I'll do the same for you. I
like the emo tweenagers. Get youhave, I have, I have a
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good one frame Megan, okay,Marie, kill Paramore, fall Up Boy
or fifty cent Okay, immediately killedfifty cent immediately, because you know what,
I used to love him and thenwe saw him live and he was
so fucking bad. Me he wasso you know the way at the end
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of a concert, you know,usually do the ola so that the band
knows they want us back for anencore. The crowd was silent. The
crowd was sigh lend. You couldhave heard a pin drop. Everybody just
left. No, we don't wantIt's okay, you don't have to.
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Yeah. So, I don't know. Between fall Up Boy and Paramore is
really hard because I was raised onI've raised myself on both of them.
Fall Up Boy was really really biginto like in my like from fourteen to
maybe seventeen. Yeah, they werelike my band. But then the older
I get, the more I canrelate to Paramore HM. So I think
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Mary Paramore and fuck follow Boy andalso fucks on the Fallo point. Patrick
Stump, he's my guy. He'smy man ever since soul Punk came out
and he was out snazzy and Iremember going into HMV to buy that CD.
It's the only CD I ever distinctlyremember going to buy Iconic great album.
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If you have if you haven't listenedto it, Patrick Stump a follow
Boy, Soul Punk, go listento it. But everything that he does
is just touched by absolute Magic soamazing. Okay, so what are your
favorite bands? They're not going totell you, so I don't have to
put myself into that dilemma. No, because you made me do it.
(04:46):
You made me do it. Um, my favorite bands would be Paramore,
Pains of Leon. Fucking I wasgoing to say Cold Line because in my
head, Kings of Leon, ColdLine, and Cold Plate are all the
same. So you're like it's oneof them. Yeah, and the coronas
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like those four bands are all thesame to me. Yeah. Oh,
Fleetwood Mac, so fuck Mary killedFleetwood Mac, Paramore or Kings of Leon.
I'm marrying Fleetwood Mac. I'm fuckingKings of Leon and Rip. I'm
so sorry. I would kill forher who No, neve I would.
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I would kill both Kings of Leonand Paramore to go see Fleetwood Mac life.
You know what I'm going to tellHaley Williams. You said that,
Hayley, please forgive me. I'mtexting her right now. I'm going to
FaceTime here later. I've seen Kingsof Leon four times and I would see
them another four times. Really,Yeah, it was so like all I
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know is sex on your sex ison fire? What text is on fire?
Wow, that's so good. Sotheir album they have some of the
best songs. Okay, so Idon't know if they would be your vibe
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because they are very different to likeParamour and Folly Boy. Um, but
you have like Milk four Kicks.Yeah, there's a song called Milk where
nobody Knows and you have knocked upcharmer on call. True Love Way Fans
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Fans is so good. But itdisappoints me. Well why because they wrote
it about their English fans. Ohwhy you why you break my heart like
that? I think you know whatin that scenario, that's the only time
it's okay to group us with theEnglish when you're listening, we're grouped in
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there too. Arizona is another oneof my favorites, and Revelry and is
such a depressing song. But um, I will be in the shower like
belting her out. When you're cryingin the shower, nobody can tell it's
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fine. Yeah, that's when you'llcatch me. Um. They have really
good songs and sex on Fire,I Needs Somebody or probably not their best
and they're the two that like everybodywent feral for. I know Paramore's cover
of You Somebody when the reason whyI would go see Kings of Leon so,
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like, why I've been to seethem so many times and why I
would go see them so many moretimes is because they sound like what you
listen to. They're a bit likeparamount, Like what you're listening to when
you're watching them live is what you'relistening to when you're listening to their albums.
Yeah, okay. I love thatabout a band when they can pull
like yeah, like you're just likeyes, like this. And one of
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the girls, so I went togo see them last summer. That was
my fourth time, and one ofthe girls and work happened to be going
as well, and she was like, her friend just had a spare ticket
and she was like, I know, like two songs, but like it's
a free concert, fuck it,why not? And then she came out
of the concert and she was like, oh my god. She was like
they were actually so good. Ilove that. I love when you're not
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expecting something. I was the samegoing to Pink one year. I was
like, she's meant to be unreal, She's insane. It was some outdoor
place I can't remember where we were, and fu yeah, she came out
in a fucking zip line. Iwas a girl. Hell, but it
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was amazing. She's she's absolutely inlife. She's got some set along sonner
m hmm. Well, I'm sorryto pay more than I killed them,
Okay, but you have to putit into perspective. I'm telling mother.
So that's enough rambling for you guys. That is they give us music,
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portion of give us more over that'sprobably like from forty minutes long or something.
Anyway, that is enough enough tomfooleryfrom us. So the last week
we talked about Peter Sutcliffe. It'sgreat guy, great guy. It was
plastic for you guys, it waslike an hour ago for us. So
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I guess I'll just jump straight.I So last week I talked about where
Peter was from, and a bitabout his like growing up and his siblings
and how he bounced from job tojob, and then we soon discovered that
he has a weird obsession with death, likes to touch dead bodies and then
go eat lunch. Hmmm tasty,And then we got into his first three
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attacks and then his first murder.So far, the police have not connected
any of this. Why would theycrazy? Who would they? Wow?
Wow? When they dawn Wilson joinedthe podcast WHOA. Some of my favorite
tiktoks are compilations of him saying,Wow, I can't I hate his face
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though. He's a pop face tome, like absolutely, and he's not
that great of an actor either,but you know, it just can't help
Wow, that's crazy. So onJanuary twentieth, nineteen seventy six, Peter
pulled up the side forty two yearold Emily Jackson. Emily and her husband
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Sydney had fallen on hard times andto try and support their family, Emily
began to work as a X worker. Peter saw outside of a pub in
Leeds and asked her how much forsome business. She told him five pounds
and he agreed, which I'm goingto just stay as I did in the
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previous episode. Five pounds might notsound like a lot of money to us
now, but you have to rememberthat this is the mid seventies, so
it's worth like, you know,Yeah, Emily got into Peter's care and
told him to drive to a closedown factory that was around the corner.
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And I'm pretty sure so I wasconfused as to whether it was like an
abandoned factory or like it was closeddown, but I actually just think it
was like closed, you know,it was shutting time. There was nobody
working. Yeah, Peter only halfto turn the key in the ignition when
it was time to leave. Sothey go in. He pays her his
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five pounds, They do their business, and then they get back into the
car and he's half turning the keyin the ignition and he's like, oh,
my car won't start, So Petergets out of the car and pretends
to check the engine. Emily thengets out of the car and goes over
and uses her lighter to try totry help Peter see because it's late at
(12:18):
night, so she's like, here, I have a lighter. Maybe this
will help you seeing what you're doinga bit better. Yeah. Then,
as she's linked in to the cartrying to help Peter out, Peter takes
out a hammer and hits her onthe back of the head. Emily then
fell to the ground and Peter hither a second time. He then dragged
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Emily's body back into the factory.Peter then proceeded to stab Emily fifty two
times in the torso and neck witha screwdriver. So he's moved from a
knife onto a screwdriver or was itjust because do you think that was what
was available to him. I thinkit's just because that's what it was available
to him. Think it's because hedidn't have a knife on him, because
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he doesn't really use it again likehe I think he does use it like
one or two more times. Butagain I think it's just it's what he
had. It was a weapon ofavailability. But also the difference and strength
that it takes from using a knifeto prepare to a screw driver is insane.
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The next morning, Emily's body wasfound by a man taking a short
cut to work. At first hethought it was a mannequin with the legs
sticking out. So he had triedto cover her body with like rubble that
was round, and he could justsee like legs sticking out of the rubble,
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and at first he thought it wasjust like a mannequin's legs and didn't
pay too close attention, and thenhe realized, no, that's not a
mannequin, that's a human. God, that horrible realization. I can imagine
your brain piecing that together and thenhaving that very sudden realization. It must
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be horrific. Police quickly arrived onscene, and it didn't take them long
to connect Emily's murder to Wilma's murderbecause the emo was just exactly the same.
Police questioned everyone at the pub thatnight, and one person remembered seeing
Emily get into a land Rover,which is not what Peter drove, so
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that is false information, okay.They also claimed that it was a man
that looked to be in his fifties, which again, Peter was not in
his fifties. At the factory,police found a footprint that was a size
seven Wellies and a similar print onEmily's tie. Police discovered seemen on Emily's
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clothes and proof of sexual intercourse becausehowever, she because she was a sex
worker, it was hard to determineif it was consensual or not, which
I'm pretty sure you can determine,but yeah, usually they can tell by
like tears and stuff. A monthlater, the police released a statement connecting
the murders. They said, quote, the man we are looking for seems
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to have a pathological hatred towards sexworkers and good time girls, and it's
the type who could kill again.He's a sadistic killer and may well be
a sexual pervert. I cannot stressin strongly enough how vital it is that
we catch this brutal killer before hebrings tragedy to another family. Okay,
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so do it then. That wasthe statement from the head of police or
the head of the investigation. OnMay ninth, nineteen seventy six, Peter
was sitting in his car in thedark in Leads. He saw twenty year
old Marcella Claxton, who was walkinghome from a parody. Peter offered her
a ride home, and she accepted. Peter then pulled over the side a
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feel and offered Marcella five pounds forsex in the grass. Marcella was not
a sex worker and declined his offer. She then told him that she needed
to pee and got out of thecar and went behind the bush. Marcella
was hoping that if she took longenough that Peter would just get fed up
of waiting on her and drive off. She came out from behind the bush
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to find Peter waiting. To findPeter walking towards her, She then heard
something drop and joked, quote,I hope that's not a knife. Peter
told her it was his wallet andthen proceeded to grab her and he hit
her he hit her in the headwith a hammer. Peter hit Marcella up
to eight times with the hammer.Marcella fell to the ground and pretended to
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be unconscious. She said that Peterstood over her and masturbated. Then when
he was done, he put fivepounds in her hand. After she thought
Peter left, Marcella crawled to aphone booth and called herself an ambulance.
Marcella then hid in the phone boothwhile Peter drove up and down looking for
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her. So, oh, mygod, walked away from her towards her
car, towards his car. Sorry, And then she took the opportunity and
like crawled to a phone booth nearby. And then from what I gathered,
Peter was like going to the carto like get a knife or something,
and when he turned back around,she was gone. And so then he
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was driving up and down the areato see if he could spot her,
and she was just in the phonebooth waiting on the ambulance to come to
her after being hit in the headeight times with a hammer. Oh my
god, that's making my step goher go Marcella, you fucking badass bitch.
That is so cool, Like werecool? She Marcella was four months
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pregnant, and she sadly lost herbaby. Sella was able to give police
a clear description of Peter. Police, however, do not link her attack
to the murders. It wasn't untilPeter was arrested later on and he admits
to the attack that Peter realized thatpolice realized that he was responsible for this.
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On February fifth, nineteen seventy seven, Peter saw twenty eight year old
Irene Richardson, who was a sexworker. I'm just nothing that matters.
But he accuses a lot of womenof being sex workers when they're not,
and they're like, no, he'sjust using it as an excuse now that
he has like the best moral judgment, when in reality, he just hates
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women and he just wants to inflictas much pain as he possibly can,
so he's going to be like,oh, you're a sex worker, so
you're worthless, even though it's absolutelynot true, but that's just his reasoning.
He offered her money and she accepted. Peter drove her to a park.
Irene told Peter she needed to goto the back room, and she
got out of the car and wentbehind a bush. While there, with
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her back towards the car. Petersnuck up behind her and hit her on
the head with a hammer. Peterhit Irene on the head so hard that
her skull broke into her brain.He then proceeded to stab her. The
next morning, a man was outfor a jog when he saw Irene lying
in the middle of the park.He thought that maybe she had passed out
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and needed help, but he seemeddiscovered that she wasn't cut dead. The
man called the police and they immediatelyconnected Irene's murder to the other murders.
Police found tire marks at the scene. However, they matched up to one
hundred thousand vehicles in the Yorkshire areaover a five month period. Police check
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eighty thousand cars to the tire marks, like they question eighty thousand owners.
They have twenty thousand cars left tocheck and police decide that this is taking
up too much time. They're goingto stop doing that. In the twenty
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thou names that they had left toquestion was Peter Sutcliffe. Ah, you
were so close, guys, youwere so close. This is like an
ongoing peam in the investigation. Thelead detective on the cars, James Hobson,
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believed that the murders and the attackswere committed by the same man.
He was like, look, listen, the murders are women who were hit
in the head with a hammer andthen stabbed to death. The attacks are
women who are hit on the headwith a hammer and then someone's interrupted him
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stabbing them to death. I thinkthey're the same. That's pretty much what
the rest of the police force say. They're like, you're talking about your
ass. Fuck out of here.Make it make sense. I can't.
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Sex workers in the area were atwe're on edge, but sadly they had
families to support, and they hadbills to pay and kids to feed and
clothed, and so they had noother option but to just continue to work.
On April twenty third, nineteen seventyseven, Peter was driving around when
he saw thirty two year old PatriciaTina Atkinson. Patricia was a sex worker
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trying to make ends neat Peter watchedPatricia's stagger up the road as she had
been drinking. He offered her alift and she accepted. Patricia then offered
Peter sex work and he accepted,and they went to her apartment. While
Patricia closed the curtains. Peter hungup his coat and took out the hammer
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he had been hiding. Patricia saton her bed to take off her coat,
and the second she turned her backto him, Peter hid her over
the head with the hammer. Patriciafell to the floor and Peter hit her
on the head and in the facefour times. He then picked Patricia up
off the floor and placed her onthe bed. He then stabbed Patricia six
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times in the stomach with a chiselbefore throwing the blankets over her and leaving
the apartment. A chisel, Yeah, that's like even more of kind more
flat wide surface. Yeah, it'dbe even like more so a flat white
surface than the screw driver. Sohe's like, it's like he's getting angrier,
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he's more rage as this is goingon. Yeah. At six thirty
the next evening, Patricia's friend wentto her apartment to hang out, and
when she didn't answer the door,he opened the door like he got at
like the spare key. Because theywere best friends, he knew where she
hid it. He opened the doorto quote, a chilling silence is what
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he said. He then found Patricialying on her bed in a pool of
blood. There was also a poolof blood in the floor. He then
yelled for the building manager to callthe police. It was determined that Patricia
was not sexually assaulted, and policealso found a size seven bootprint on her
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bed, which was what they foundat Emily Jackson's crime scene, which led
them to link the murders, Butthey weren't originally going to link them because
up until this point he's been killingthem in a field. M Yeah,
and this time he's gone into herhome yeah and done it there and done
it there get twenty Yeah, AndPatricia thought that, like she would be
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safer because she was going to herhome and she normally only saw like specific
clients, like she didn't really gosee, like she wouldn't just pick up
like just anyone. But I believeit's her. I believe that one of
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her regular clients she was supposed togo see he canceled, and so then
she went out drinking and then andthen Peter offered her right home, and
she was kind of like, oh, well, I'm down money, so
I might as well try and makesome and yeah. On June twenty sixth,
nineteen seventy seven, Peter had vieweda house with Sonia and they decided
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that it was their dream home.He then dropped Sonya off at work and
he went out drinking. At abouttwo am, Peter was driving around when
he saw sixteen year old Jane McDonaldwalking alone. Jane had been out dancing
with her friends when she and aboy that she liked broke off from the
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group to get some food after thenightclub. They had been talking for so
long that she ended up missing thelast bus home, and her friend told
her to come with him that hissister would be able to drop her home,
that if they walked to his housethat then the sister could drop her
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home. But when they got tohis house, the sister wasn't there,
and they waited for like an houror so and there was still no sign
of the sister. So she waslike, look like I have to get
home, so I'll just start walkinglike I'll be fine, yeah, and
that is when Peter saw her.Peter watched her for a few minutes before
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parking his car at a hotel.He took his hammer and a kitchen knife
and he followed Jane on foot.Peter snook up behind her and hit her
over the head with a hammer.Jane immediately fell to the ground. He
dragged her into the nearby park andthen proceeded to stab her several times in
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the same wound in her chest.Assuming that Jane was dead, he left
her. Jane was still alive andwould lay there helpless, alone and dying.
Thank God. At about nine fortyfive am the next morning, two
kids found Jane's body by the wallon their way to play in the park.
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The children, that would just affectyou for life again. And there's
a lot of kids because the milkmanhad a ten year old brother as well.
Yeah, Jane's murder gained global newscoverage as she was only sixteen,
and up until this point he hadbeen quote murdering sex workers. He will
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He does later go on to saythat he just assumed that Jane was a
sex worker because she was walking ina known spot and he didn't realize he
didn't realize until he was quote alreadyattacking her well, that she was not
a sex sex Yeah, so he'sclaiming that she was walking in a known
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area where sex workers worked, thatthey would walk along this road all night
to pick up clients. So whenhe saw her, he just assumed she
was a sex worker, And itwasn't until he'd already begun attacking her that
he copped that she was young.But he went ahead and he killed her
anyway, So right, Yeah,Jane's father had to identify her body,
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which I can only imagine as heartbreaking. The murder of Jane became international news,
and she was mentioned as an innocentvictim because she wasn't a sex worker.
All of these women, first ofall, were innocent, but she
was. She didn't she she hadn'teven been given a chance yet, she
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was only sixteen. The public alsobegan to get angry that the police still
had no leads in this case.The police then decided that they were going
to start a task force of threehundred and four officers. Oh talk about
overcompensation. Oh if this is notthe only task force, it gets out
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of hand, and this is whythey don't solve it. So what they
end up doing is they started upthis original task force. It's like three
hundred and four officers that are like, yeah, we're going to solve this
crime. And then like say inlike leads, right, I can't remember
where this is, but I'm justand then he goes knee tax in Bradford.
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So then they set up a taskforce in Bradford, and then he
goes and knee attacks in like Manchester, and then they go and they set
up a task force in Manchester.And then they go and they set up
another task force, and then theyset up another task force. And then
none of these task forces are communicatingwith one and it's just gonna ask,
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yeah, no, of course notno, they don't. They don't tell
each other anything, and you're like, maybe just have one task force for
the entire thing, but just youknow, like if it's a Yorkshire ripper
case, then it just immediately goesto this one task force and it has
nothing to do with areas. Imean, y'all want to be united so
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badly, I don't you fucking unitein your own country and stopped trying to
unite others. The police then gota profile of the killer and it was
nothing like Peter. The police werelooking for a land Rover car which Peter
did not drive, and the leaddetective had refused to publicly link Jane's murder
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with the rest as she wasn't asex worker. So the officers are like,
no, this is clearly a Yorkshireripper murder, and the like lead
investigator is like, no, butshe's not a sex worker. She's only
sixteen. Mm, couldn't be it. So sorry, we never see a
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change in demo ever, never ever, And they're like but it's clearly and
he's like no, no, no, no, not me. Before I
go any further, going to takea quick little ad break and I'm just
gonna go toilet. So the familiesof the other victims actually get quite upset
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Yane being referred to as an innocentvictim because they're like, well, like
my wife or my sister or mymother, like was innocent too, Like
what and like they understand that she'syoung and she's sixteen or whatever, but
they're like, but like my familymember was also innocent, Like yeah,
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because it's not enough that you loseyour family member, you have to watch
their legacy be absolutely like like securedagain and again in the paper and the
media. In the media, they'renot talking about like how much of a
loving mother Wilma was. It's like, oh, no, she had alcoholism
and was a sex worker. Yeah, they're not. They're completely stripping them
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of any sort of human points.Yeah, what I'm trying to say.
In July nineteen seventy seven, Peterand Sonia officially bought their dream home,
and on July ninth, nineteen seventyseven, Peter went out drinking with his
friend with his friends Ronald and DavidBerker in Bradford. After a night of
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drinking, Peter dropped his friend's homeand then he went out looking for a
victim. At around two am,he saw forty two year old Moreen Long
outside a nightclub. Peter offered hera write home and she accepted. Maureen
asked Peter to drop her off ather ex husband's apartment. According to Peter,
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she asked him if he fancied her, and the pair agreed to get
to a more secluded place. However, this is just what Peter says,
so we don't know how true itis. Moren then got out of the
car to go pee behind a bushon an embankment with her back to Peter.
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He snuck up behind her and hehit and he hit her on the
head with a hammer. Peter thendragged her to a waiste disposal sight.
He then hit Maureen again with thehammer. He then pulled up her dress
and stabbed her five times. Inthe torso. Peter then made long incisions
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from her groin to her sternum.He then flipped Maureen and stabbed her a
further four times in the back.Peter then dragged her body to the darker
side of the Waiste disposal and puta dirty old mattress on top of her.
As Peter left the Waiste disposal,he left, he fell and landed
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on a broken porcelain sink. Heleft behind a bloody partial handprint. A
night freshman mhm. A night watchmanhad seen Peter drive away in his white
Corsair. However, he mistook itfor a Quartina, which I'm not gonna
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lie, right, I don't knowmy carney, no me neither, Like
whenever I get a bolt here,just like uber, I'm I'm looking at
the license plate. I have nofucking idea what car you drive at Yeah,
so I'm not even going to pretendlike I know what the difference between
those two cars is, but thereis a difference. The next morning,
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at about eight thirty am, twowomen walking past the waste disposal heard what
they thought was a baby crying.It was Maureen crying for help. Oh
my god, Maureen was brought tohospital, where she survived. What Peter
didn't realize was that when he putthe mattress on top of her to try
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hide her body, that helped likeput pressure on her wounds. Oh my
god, how that's so. Idon't want to say lucky, but yeah,
it's crazy. How that how thathappened? Maureen was sorry. Maureene
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didn't remember much about her attack,but she was able to give some sort
of description of Peter to police.Police were now looking for a white Cortina,
which is there still the wrong car, but it's closer than a land
Rover and a man with light brownshoulder length hair in his mid to late
thirties. Peter then decided to sellhis white Cosair and he bought a red
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Courser Cosair to try and to tryfurther himself from the description a little m
I mean, it's the same car, but it's just instead of white,
it's new head. On October first, nineteen seventy seven, Peter drove to
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Manchester to the Red Light District tolook for a victim. He saw twenty
year old Jean Jordan. He askedher if she was in business, and
she agreed. They drove to acemetery and agreed to have sex for five
pounds on the grass. As Jeanwalked towards the grass, Peter snuck up
behind her and hit her thirteen timeswith a hammer in the head. Peter
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then stabbed her multiple times before headlightsof a car scared him off. Whilst
driving home, Peter realized the fivepounds he had paid Jean was a brand
new five pound note. There wouldn'thave been many of those because it was
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just released, and they would beable to connect him to the crime through
this five pound note. And hereads, He's like, shit, I
left that behind and that's going tohave significance because it's a new five pound
note. They like changed the pictureof the queen or something the on us.
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So he was like, oh no, bro h. And it had
come from his paypacket. So whatpolice were going to be able to do,
and what they were able to do, is they find out what bank
it has come from. They're ablethen to find out where this bank paid
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it too, which would be thecompany that Peter is working for, and
then they wouldn't obviously be able totell what paypacket it went into, but
they would be able then to interviewall the workers and you know, yeah,
yeah. So Peter decided that hewasn't going to go back and find
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it at the risk of being caught, and thought that he would just wait
it out. Now, he attacksand kills Jean on October first. On
October ninth, nineteen seventy seven,Peter in Sonia through a housewarming party.
Peter offered to drop his friend's homeafter the party, and then he drove
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up to Jean's body. She hadstill not been found. Peter could not
find Jean's purse, which had thefive pounds in it, and in a
rage, Peter dragged Jean's body outof its hiding spot, ripped her clothes,
and stabbed her torso a couple ofscabbed her. Yeah, he stabbed
her corpse a couple of times.He then slashed her chest and her stomach
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over twenty times. He then triedto remove her head so she couldn't be
identified and make sure it looked lesslike a ripper killing. However, he
couldn't get her head off, sohe gave up and went home, opening
her out in the open like that. Oh my god, that poor woman.
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Even after death, she wasn't leftalone. Nope. The next morning,
October tenth, a worker who wasthere to like work on the garden
and so the area that he killedher was beside a graveyard. So a
worker came to like tidy up thegarden and to tidy up the graveyard found
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Jean's body. Police immediately could tellthat this was a ripper killing, and
it was all over the news,so he tried to not make it look
like a ripper killing, but inDosau made it even more evident that it
was a ripper killing. Jean's husbandknew it was his wife by the description
and told police that he never reportedher missing because she often went to Scotland
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to see family for days at atime, so it wasn't unheard of that
he wouldn't hear from her for acouple of days, okay, which I
mean, I guess okay, youknow, like yeah, it's not like
they had mobile phone, so you'rejust texting each other and being like,
hey, I'm just going away fora couple of days. I'm sure,
so oh, she'll call me whenshe gets there. He just assumed that
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she had told him and he'd forgotten. He was just like, I just
like she does it so regularly thatI just assumed I just like forgot she
told me and was like, oh, she'll be home in a couple of
days time. But then when thedescription of the body found in the park
was on the news, he waslike, oh shit, that's my wife.
Five days later, someone found Jean'spurse with Peter's five pounds inside.
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Police were able to trace it tothe bank, and then they traced it
to where Peter worked, and policeinterviewed over five thousand people, Peter being
one. However, he had analibi. He was having a housewarming party
that night, so there's no waythat he had killed somebody because he dropped
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his friend's home and then went home. Guy, guys, there's like plenty,
plenty of time in an evening,you know. H On December fourteenth,
nineteen seventy seven, Peter drove pasttwenty five year old Marylyn Moore.
Marlyn was a sex worker who waswalking home from a friend's house. Peter
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drove passed her twice before pulling over. He called her over and introduced himself
as Dave. He asked if shewanted business, and she agreed. He
paid her five pounds and then theygot into his car and drove to a
quiet spot. When they pulled over, Peter suggested that they get into the
back of the car instead of gettingout. Marlin agreed, but notice that
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her door was locked, so Petergot out and he walked around to open
her door for her, and ashe did, he hit her over the
head with a hammer. Marlin screamedas she fell out of the car.
She tried to stay up by holdingonto Peter's trousers, but he just continued
to hit her over the head withthe hammer. Marlin's screams caused a nearby
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dog to start barking, and thismade Peter panic about being caught, so
he ran away. Peter thought Marlinwould die because he had hit her over
the head so many times. However, after he ran away, Marlin got
the strength to get up and sheran towards the road. A couple were
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driving past and saw her covered inblood and crying, so they pulled over
and called nine one one for heror I don't know is it nine one
one in America or in England?Yeah? Please, I think I think
if you call it no matter whereyou are, I think it will connect
you to an emergency service. Youknow what I mean when I say nine
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one, Yeah, in Ireland it'sone one two M. Because we had
the Randy phones, so it wasfaster. It's not why. I'm pretty
sure someone told I can't remember someonetold me that before. I always thought
that about the Randy phones, Like, if you're calling nine one one,
it's not not going to take forfucking ever. Yeah, we're an OL
and just go one, one twoM. Anyways, Marlin then gave a
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description of Peter and was able totell police that he drove from a Roon
colored car. However, they werenow looking for somebody named Dave or David,
so they were you know, theyhad interviewed Peter, but they were
looking for a Dave and David.M hmm. Yeah. On January twenty
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first, nineteen seventy eight, Peterwas helping his parents move into their new
home. When he left, hewent looking for a victim, and this
is when he saw on twenty oneyear old Yvonne Pearson. Yvonne was out
working the streets when Peter tried tohit on her with his car. No,
sorry, he tried to hit herwith his car. What, Yeah,
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that's that's a whole new what Peterwaters, he has like a disgusting
amount of confidence at this stage,like for all of the times that he's
been interrupted, that he's done thisin fields, like in public and never
been caught. Oh, he's justdead here hitting people with his fucking car.
(44:37):
It gets better. He then cameto a stud a sudden stop,
and he rolled down his window andhe began apologize in claiming that he didn't
even see her and he's so sosorry. Are you okay? Do you
need to lift home? And Yvonnejust replied, quote, just good timing.
(44:58):
You can put it down to face, oh, Vaughan. Oh.
Yvonne then got into Peter's car andthey agreed on five pounds in exchange for
some sex, and then drove toa quiet area. Peter suggested that they
get into the backseat of the car, and while Yvonne wasn't looking, he
took out his hammer and he hither on the head. Peter then dragged
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Yvonne to an old, dirty sofathat was beside them where he had pulled
up. Another car pulled up besidehim and there was a couple in it.
Yvonne was moaning from being hit withthe hammer and in order to make
her quiet, Peter began stuffing couchthe like couch, stuffing down her throat,
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oh my god, and he heldher nose. The car eventually left
because like to be fair to thatother car. First of all, it's
dark. Second of all, ifyou just see a couple sitting on a
dirty old couch, you're just goingto assume it's like sex work happening or
you know, yeah, and he'sprobably like on top of very like you,
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and yeah, you're not thinking,oh, a woman is being killed.
They're in knocking, they're having sex. Yes. Peter then began to
kick Yvonne in the head and thebody. He then jumped on her chest
until her ribs cracked. Yvonne hadtwo children and there was a babysitter the
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night that Yvonne went out. Whenshe never returned home, the babysitter immediately
reported her missing, as she alwayscame home. Yvonne's body would not be
found until March twenty sixth, nineteenseventy eight, and she was killed when
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in January January twenty first fuck someonewalking past the disposal site sawn arm sticking
out from the couch, and that'show they found her corpse. The police
didn't originally link the murder to theRipper case as it was so different.
A newspaper with the date February twentyfirst on it was placed under Yvonne's arm,
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which which was a month after shewas murdered. However, Peter denies
returning to the scene of any ofhis victims. We know that to be
a lie because he returned to JeanJordan's body exactly, and he returned to
be even more violent. He's asick guy, so it wouldn't surprise me
if he went back to try anddo something to alterate the scene. So
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like he claims that like he didn'tgo to any he didn't return to any
sites, and that it wasn't himthat put the newspaper under Yvonne's arm,
but like it more than likely washim. On January thirty first, nineteen
seventy eight, Peter was out lookingfor a victim when he came across eighteen
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year old Helen Ripke. Peter pickedHelen up in the Red Light district and
drove to a secluded place near therailway. He suggested that they get into
the back of the car, andshe agreed. As he went to hit
her on the head, two menstarted walking past the car, so Peter
had to stop his plan. Whenthe men left, though, Peter just
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continued on with his plan and hitHelen in the head with the hammer.
Peter then said he took a breakbefore going back and dragging Helen's body to
a woodyard. He then began stabbingher several times. Peter then became a
raised at the thought of almost gettingcaught, so he sexually assaulted Helen once
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he had finished stabbing her. However, the medical examiner later said that there
was no evidence that Helen was assaultedlike sexually. So it is the being
out in the open and they're reallygetting caught that is doing it for him.
Well, so like he's saying,oh, I sexually assaulted her,
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but the medical examiner is like,there's no evidence to suggest that at all.
M hmm. I wonder if hehad trouble Maybe that's why he hated
women so much. I wonder ifhe had trouble like having sex, like
like, yeah, become incompetent.Is that no? Not incompetent? Not?
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Because the like medical examiner is like, not, only was there no
evidence that she was assaulted sexually.There's no evidence of sexual intercourse at all.
M The next day, people werearriving for work at the woodyard and
they saw the ground was soaked inblood and they saw torn women's clothes.
But they ignored that. Oh okay, they said that, seeing as sex
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workers were often frequent on the yardat night, it was just no cause
for concern. They were like,it's just just sex workers blood, Like,
it's fine, it's fine, it'sfine. Helen's body was then found
two days later. Her body hadbeen found between two stocks of wood.
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Police were seriously struggling to solve thecase, and even reached out to the
public, offering a reward of fivethousand pounds to anyone with information that would
lead to an arrest. Nothing ofnote really came forward, And then this
was when police would start receiving lettersfrom Jack the Ripper, Jack the Ripper
(50:45):
from Like what the eighteen hundreds place? It is not Peter sending these letters.
Oh so it's just some other ziggolooking to take credit. What did
these weirdos always come crawling out ofthe woodwork? Honestly, I know,
and I think that is where Iwill leave it. You guys, oh,
(51:07):
leave it on a cliffhanger with Jackthe Ripper. Yeah, I leave
it there, you guys, becausethe liffhanger. Those poor women, Like
I know, I didn't talk muchthrought that because it was like trying to
process. It's a lot of information, it's a lot of it's a lot
(51:29):
of a compression and anger. Yeah, he is so angry, and I'm
genuinely starting to think that it's becausehe can't get it up and that's why
he's trying about sexually assaulting these women. I know he's actually assaulted at least
one, and I know he's masturbatingover the bodies. But maybe it's because
they're dead they can't judge or laughat him. And I don't lie.
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I never thought of it like that, Like, I never thought of it
in that way that maybe it's becausehe has incompetence. Oh, now that
you say it, I'm like,it makes the most sense. And don't
they say as well, that's stabbingis like another it's it's another type of
penetration, Like that's yeah, becausethey struggle to penetrate they stabbed because yeah,
(52:20):
yeah, um, that's very verypossible. And it gets pretty wild
from here on out and the policejust when I told you that they question
When I told you that they questionedm. Peter, that's not the only
(52:44):
time that they questioned him again.They go on to question him like another
like ten times, and then he'salso a person of interest at least eighteen
times. Or he's like, sohe's interviewed by police officially like ten times
(53:05):
or something like that, and thenhe's like in like the suspect pool like
a further like eighteen times. Whatif somebody is coming up that much on
your radar, Like, mmmm,maybe it's time to do a bit more
than questioning, you know, maybemaybe follow him for a while, see
(53:30):
what he gets up to in hisspare time. And then we will see
Trevor birdsall his redemption arc, hisredemption It's a coming. Don't forget about
Trevor, Or do I don't reallyreally care. I mean he still does.
(53:52):
Let it go on for like fuckingsix years or some shit. Yeah,
Trevor, come on, I'm rootingfor you. I'm so If you
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Leaf Guy, Leaf Guy Matthew Hoffman, Um, that was a really good
episode. I know I didn't forgetit. I know I forgot his name,
but I forget everybody's name, soit's fine. I forget people I
know names, So it's totally cool. Every time somebody like close to me
has the baby for the first likea month, and I was like,
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And I'm like, I know thatthat's that's that child's name, but
I say the wrong one. I'veforgotten people's names thought like I literally see
on a daily basis, like Iwork with them every single day. I'm
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and kill, and so I waslike, this will be a like quick
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Hi, welcome back to give usMark leave. I'm Megan and oh we
Oh my god. When this episodecomes out, we'll have seen paramore.
I'm so excited. I'm so fuckingexcited. Yeah. No, the both
(00:34):
of us are gonna be absolutely robbed. Robin us no rabbit. We will
be like a squirrel with rabies.So I have a fuck marry kill for
you. Oh fun, Okay,give it to me. Roast potatoes,
mashed potatoes, or chips like fries. Fuck, marry your kill. I'm
(00:54):
going to kill the roasties. I'mgoing to marry the chips. So you're
gonna fuck the mashed potato. Yeah, okay, here's one for you.
Garlic potatoes, chips or fried potatoFried potatoes? Do you mean like fried
(01:21):
slices of potato? Yeah, likelike fried and a frying pan, like
mmmmmm. Okay, So I'm gonnakill the fried potato. I'm gonna marry
the chips. I'm gonna marry thechips because you know what chips are so
um they can't go with anything.You know why. I also married the
(01:42):
chips because like you're having a burgerchips, you're having chicken nuggets chips you
know, you're having a pizza sideof chips, like you have chips with
everything. You're having a mental healthcrisis. Chips chips, And I'm gonna
say chips, we mean rise butfries. So for those Americans, we
mean fries. I'm gonna fuck thegarlic potatoes because you only have them once
(02:07):
in a while anyway, but they'reso damn good. Would they make you
feel so bad afterwards? Like abat one might stand? So Megan has
ips, I'm an Ibbs girl,and so the creamy garlic potatoes don't tend
to agree with her. I shan'tbe having those before the concert anyway.
(02:34):
I'd prefer if you didn't. Ifeel like I'm gonna need like a nervous
poo before the concert. It's like, what if they see me, I'll
stand guard at the bathroom door.I'll do the same for you. I
like the emo tweenagers. Get youhave, I have, I have a
(02:57):
good one frame Megan, okay,Marie, kill Paramore, fall Up Boy
or fifty cent Okay, immediately killedfifty cent immediately, because you know what,
I used to love him and thenwe saw him live and he was
so fucking bad. Me he wasso you know the way at the end
(03:17):
of a concert, you know,usually do the ola so that the band
knows they want us back for anencore. The crowd was silent. The
crowd was sigh lend. You couldhave heard a pin drop. Everybody just
left. No, we don't wantIt's okay, you don't have to.
(03:38):
Yeah. So, I don't know. Between fall Up Boy and Paramore is
really hard because I was raised onI've raised myself on both of them.
Fall Up Boy was really really biginto like in my like from fourteen to
maybe seventeen. Yeah, they werelike my band. But then the older
I get, the more I canrelate to Paramore HM. So I think
(04:00):
Mary Paramore and fuck follow Boy andalso fucks on the Fallo point. Patrick
Stump, he's my guy. He'smy man ever since soul Punk came out
and he was out snazzy and Iremember going into HMV to buy that CD.
It's the only CD I ever distinctlyremember going to buy Iconic great album.
(04:25):
If you have if you haven't listenedto it, Patrick Stump a follow
Boy, Soul Punk, go listento it. But everything that he does
is just touched by absolute Magic soamazing. Okay, so what are your
favorite bands? They're not going totell you, so I don't have to
put myself into that dilemma. No, because you made me do it.
(04:46):
You made me do it. Um, my favorite bands would be Paramore,
Pains of Leon. Fucking I wasgoing to say Cold Line because in my
head, Kings of Leon, ColdLine, and Cold Plate are all the
same. So you're like it's oneof them. Yeah, and the coronas
(05:08):
like those four bands are all thesame to me. Yeah. Oh,
Fleetwood Mac, so fuck Mary killedFleetwood Mac, Paramore or Kings of Leon.
I'm marrying Fleetwood Mac. I'm fuckingKings of Leon and Rip. I'm
so sorry. I would kill forher who No, neve I would.
(05:30):
I would kill both Kings of Leonand Paramore to go see Fleetwood Mac life.
You know what I'm going to tellHaley Williams. You said that,
Hayley, please forgive me. I'mtexting her right now. I'm going to
FaceTime here later. I've seen Kingsof Leon four times and I would see
them another four times. Really,Yeah, it was so like all I
(05:55):
know is sex on your sex ison fire? What text is on fire?
Wow, that's so good. Sotheir album they have some of the
best songs. Okay, so Idon't know if they would be your vibe
(06:16):
because they are very different to likeParamour and Folly Boy. Um, but
you have like Milk four Kicks.Yeah, there's a song called Milk where
nobody Knows and you have knocked upcharmer on call. True Love Way Fans
(06:38):
Fans is so good. But itdisappoints me. Well why because they wrote
it about their English fans. Ohwhy you why you break my heart like
that? I think you know whatin that scenario, that's the only time
it's okay to group us with theEnglish when you're listening, we're grouped in
(07:00):
there too. Arizona is another oneof my favorites, and Revelry and is
such a depressing song. But um, I will be in the shower like
belting her out. When you're cryingin the shower, nobody can tell it's
(07:20):
fine. Yeah, that's when you'llcatch me. Um. They have really
good songs and sex on Fire,I Needs Somebody or probably not their best
and they're the two that like everybodywent feral for. I know Paramore's cover
of You Somebody when the reason whyI would go see Kings of Leon so,
(07:46):
like, why I've been to seethem so many times and why I
would go see them so many moretimes is because they sound like what you
listen to. They're a bit likeparamount, Like what you're listening to when
you're watching them live is what you'relistening to when you're listening to their albums.
Yeah, okay. I love thatabout a band when they can pull
like yeah, like you're just likeyes, like this. And one of
(08:13):
the girls, so I went togo see them last summer. That was
my fourth time, and one ofthe girls and work happened to be going
as well, and she was like, her friend just had a spare ticket
and she was like, I know, like two songs, but like it's
a free concert, fuck it,why not? And then she came out
of the concert and she was like, oh my god. She was like
they were actually so good. Ilove that. I love when you're not
(08:37):
expecting something. I was the samegoing to Pink one year. I was
like, she's meant to be unreal, She's insane. It was some outdoor
place I can't remember where we were, and fu yeah, she came out
in a fucking zip line. Iwas a girl. Hell, but it
(08:58):
was amazing. She's she's absolutely inlife. She's got some set along sonner
m hmm. Well, I'm sorryto pay more than I killed them,
Okay, but you have to putit into perspective. I'm telling mother.
So that's enough rambling for you guys. That is they give us music,
(09:18):
portion of give us more over that'sprobably like from forty minutes long or something.
Anyway, that is enough enough tomfooleryfrom us. So the last week
we talked about Peter Sutcliffe. It'sgreat guy, great guy. It was
plastic for you guys, it waslike an hour ago for us. So
(09:39):
I guess I'll just jump straight.I So last week I talked about where
Peter was from, and a bitabout his like growing up and his siblings
and how he bounced from job tojob, and then we soon discovered that
he has a weird obsession with death, likes to touch dead bodies and then
go eat lunch. Hmmm tasty,And then we got into his first three
(10:05):
attacks and then his first murder.So far, the police have not connected
any of this. Why would theycrazy? Who would they? Wow?
Wow? When they dawn Wilson joinedthe podcast WHOA. Some of my favorite
tiktoks are compilations of him saying,Wow, I can't I hate his face
(10:30):
though. He's a pop face tome, like absolutely, and he's not
that great of an actor either,but you know, it just can't help
Wow, that's crazy. So onJanuary twentieth, nineteen seventy six, Peter
pulled up the side forty two yearold Emily Jackson. Emily and her husband
(10:52):
Sydney had fallen on hard times andto try and support their family, Emily
began to work as a X worker. Peter saw outside of a pub in
Leeds and asked her how much forsome business. She told him five pounds
and he agreed, which I'm goingto just stay as I did in the
(11:13):
previous episode. Five pounds might notsound like a lot of money to us
now, but you have to rememberthat this is the mid seventies, so
it's worth like, you know,Yeah, Emily got into Peter's care and
told him to drive to a closedown factory that was around the corner.
(11:33):
And I'm pretty sure so I wasconfused as to whether it was like an
abandoned factory or like it was closeddown, but I actually just think it
was like closed, you know,it was shutting time. There was nobody
working. Yeah, Peter only halfto turn the key in the ignition when
it was time to leave. Sothey go in. He pays her his
(11:56):
five pounds, They do their business, and then they get back into the
car and he's half turning the keyin the ignition and he's like, oh,
my car won't start, So Petergets out of the car and pretends
to check the engine. Emily thengets out of the car and goes over
and uses her lighter to try totry help Peter see because it's late at
(12:18):
night, so she's like, here, I have a lighter. Maybe this
will help you seeing what you're doinga bit better. Yeah. Then,
as she's linked in to the cartrying to help Peter out, Peter takes
out a hammer and hits her onthe back of the head. Emily then
fell to the ground and Peter hither a second time. He then dragged
(12:39):
Emily's body back into the factory.Peter then proceeded to stab Emily fifty two
times in the torso and neck witha screwdriver. So he's moved from a
knife onto a screwdriver or was itjust because do you think that was what
was available to him. I thinkit's just because that's what it was available
to him. Think it's because hedidn't have a knife on him, because
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he doesn't really use it again likehe I think he does use it like
one or two more times. Butagain I think it's just it's what he
had. It was a weapon ofavailability. But also the difference and strength
that it takes from using a knifeto prepare to a screw driver is insane.
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The next morning, Emily's body wasfound by a man taking a short
cut to work. At first hethought it was a mannequin with the legs
sticking out. So he had triedto cover her body with like rubble that
was round, and he could justsee like legs sticking out of the rubble,
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and at first he thought it wasjust like a mannequin's legs and didn't
pay too close attention, and thenhe realized, no, that's not a
mannequin, that's a human. God, that horrible realization. I can imagine
your brain piecing that together and thenhaving that very sudden realization. It must
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be horrific. Police quickly arrived onscene, and it didn't take them long
to connect Emily's murder to Wilma's murderbecause the emo was just exactly the same.
Police questioned everyone at the pub thatnight, and one person remembered seeing
Emily get into a land Rover,which is not what Peter drove, so
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that is false information, okay.They also claimed that it was a man
that looked to be in his fifties, which again, Peter was not in
his fifties. At the factory,police found a footprint that was a size
seven Wellies and a similar print onEmily's tie. Police discovered seemen on Emily's
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clothes and proof of sexual intercourse becausehowever, she because she was a sex
worker, it was hard to determineif it was consensual or not, which
I'm pretty sure you can determine,but yeah, usually they can tell by
like tears and stuff. A monthlater, the police released a statement connecting
the murders. They said, quote, the man we are looking for seems
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to have a pathological hatred towards sexworkers and good time girls, and it's
the type who could kill again.He's a sadistic killer and may well be
a sexual pervert. I cannot stressin strongly enough how vital it is that
we catch this brutal killer before hebrings tragedy to another family. Okay,
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so do it then. That wasthe statement from the head of police or
the head of the investigation. OnMay ninth, nineteen seventy six, Peter
was sitting in his car in thedark in Leads. He saw twenty year
old Marcella Claxton, who was walkinghome from a parody. Peter offered her
a ride home, and she accepted. Peter then pulled over the side a
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feel and offered Marcella five pounds forsex in the grass. Marcella was not
a sex worker and declined his offer. She then told him that she needed
to pee and got out of thecar and went behind the bush. Marcella
was hoping that if she took longenough that Peter would just get fed up
of waiting on her and drive off. She came out from behind the bush
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to find Peter waiting. To findPeter walking towards her, She then heard
something drop and joked, quote,I hope that's not a knife. Peter
told her it was his wallet andthen proceeded to grab her and he hit
her he hit her in the headwith a hammer. Peter hit Marcella up
to eight times with the hammer.Marcella fell to the ground and pretended to
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be unconscious. She said that Peterstood over her and masturbated. Then when
he was done, he put fivepounds in her hand. After she thought
Peter left, Marcella crawled to aphone booth and called herself an ambulance.
Marcella then hid in the phone boothwhile Peter drove up and down looking for
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her. So, oh, mygod, walked away from her towards her
car, towards his car. Sorry, And then she took the opportunity and
like crawled to a phone booth nearby. And then from what I gathered,
Peter was like going to the carto like get a knife or something,
and when he turned back around,she was gone. And so then he
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was driving up and down the areato see if he could spot her,
and she was just in the phonebooth waiting on the ambulance to come to
her after being hit in the headeight times with a hammer. Oh my
god, that's making my step goher go Marcella, you fucking badass bitch.
That is so cool, Like werecool? She Marcella was four months
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pregnant, and she sadly lost herbaby. Sella was able to give police
a clear description of Peter. Police, however, do not link her attack
to the murders. It wasn't untilPeter was arrested later on and he admits
to the attack that Peter realized thatpolice realized that he was responsible for this.
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On February fifth, nineteen seventy seven, Peter saw twenty eight year old
Irene Richardson, who was a sexworker. I'm just nothing that matters.
But he accuses a lot of womenof being sex workers when they're not,
and they're like, no, he'sjust using it as an excuse now that
he has like the best moral judgment, when in reality, he just hates
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women and he just wants to inflictas much pain as he possibly can,
so he's going to be like,oh, you're a sex worker, so
you're worthless, even though it's absolutelynot true, but that's just his reasoning.
He offered her money and she accepted. Peter drove her to a park.
Irene told Peter she needed to goto the back room, and she
got out of the car and wentbehind a bush. While there, with
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her back towards the car. Petersnuck up behind her and hit her on
the head with a hammer. Peterhit Irene on the head so hard that
her skull broke into her brain.He then proceeded to stab her. The
next morning, a man was outfor a jog when he saw Irene lying
in the middle of the park.He thought that maybe she had passed out
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and needed help, but he seemeddiscovered that she wasn't cut dead. The
man called the police and they immediatelyconnected Irene's murder to the other murders.
Police found tire marks at the scene. However, they matched up to one
hundred thousand vehicles in the Yorkshire areaover a five month period. Police check
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eighty thousand cars to the tire marks, like they question eighty thousand owners.
They have twenty thousand cars left tocheck and police decide that this is taking
up too much time. They're goingto stop doing that. In the twenty
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thou names that they had left toquestion was Peter Sutcliffe. Ah, you
were so close, guys, youwere so close. This is like an
ongoing peam in the investigation. Thelead detective on the cars, James Hobson,
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believed that the murders and the attackswere committed by the same man.
He was like, look, listen, the murders are women who were hit
in the head with a hammer andthen stabbed to death. The attacks are
women who are hit on the headwith a hammer and then someone's interrupted him
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stabbing them to death. I thinkthey're the same. That's pretty much what
the rest of the police force say. They're like, you're talking about your
ass. Fuck out of here.Make it make sense. I can't.
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Sex workers in the area were atwe're on edge, but sadly they had
families to support, and they hadbills to pay and kids to feed and
clothed, and so they had noother option but to just continue to work.
On April twenty third, nineteen seventyseven, Peter was driving around when
he saw thirty two year old PatriciaTina Atkinson. Patricia was a sex worker
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trying to make ends neat Peter watchedPatricia's stagger up the road as she had
been drinking. He offered her alift and she accepted. Patricia then offered
Peter sex work and he accepted,and they went to her apartment. While
Patricia closed the curtains. Peter hungup his coat and took out the hammer
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he had been hiding. Patricia saton her bed to take off her coat,
and the second she turned her backto him, Peter hid her over
the head with the hammer. Patriciafell to the floor and Peter hit her
on the head and in the facefour times. He then picked Patricia up
off the floor and placed her onthe bed. He then stabbed Patricia six
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times in the stomach with a chiselbefore throwing the blankets over her and leaving
the apartment. A chisel, Yeah, that's like even more of kind more
flat wide surface. Yeah, it'dbe even like more so a flat white
surface than the screw driver. Sohe's like, it's like he's getting angrier,
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he's more rage as this is goingon. Yeah. At six thirty
the next evening, Patricia's friend wentto her apartment to hang out, and
when she didn't answer the door,he opened the door like he got at
like the spare key. Because theywere best friends, he knew where she
hid it. He opened the doorto quote, a chilling silence is what
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he said. He then found Patricialying on her bed in a pool of
blood. There was also a poolof blood in the floor. He then
yelled for the building manager to callthe police. It was determined that Patricia
was not sexually assaulted, and policealso found a size seven bootprint on her
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bed, which was what they foundat Emily Jackson's crime scene, which led
them to link the murders, Butthey weren't originally going to link them because
up until this point he's been killingthem in a field. M Yeah,
and this time he's gone into herhome yeah and done it there and done
it there get twenty Yeah, AndPatricia thought that, like she would be
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safer because she was going to herhome and she normally only saw like specific
clients, like she didn't really gosee, like she wouldn't just pick up
like just anyone. But I believeit's her. I believe that one of
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her regular clients she was supposed togo see he canceled, and so then
she went out drinking and then andthen Peter offered her right home, and
she was kind of like, oh, well, I'm down money, so
I might as well try and makesome and yeah. On June twenty sixth,
nineteen seventy seven, Peter had vieweda house with Sonia and they decided
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that it was their dream home.He then dropped Sonya off at work and
he went out drinking. At abouttwo am, Peter was driving around when
he saw sixteen year old Jane McDonaldwalking alone. Jane had been out dancing
with her friends when she and aboy that she liked broke off from the
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group to get some food after thenightclub. They had been talking for so
long that she ended up missing thelast bus home, and her friend told
her to come with him that hissister would be able to drop her home,
that if they walked to his housethat then the sister could drop her
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home. But when they got tohis house, the sister wasn't there,
and they waited for like an houror so and there was still no sign
of the sister. So she waslike, look like I have to get
home, so I'll just start walkinglike I'll be fine, yeah, and
that is when Peter saw her.Peter watched her for a few minutes before
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parking his car at a hotel.He took his hammer and a kitchen knife
and he followed Jane on foot.Peter snook up behind her and hit her
over the head with a hammer.Jane immediately fell to the ground. He
dragged her into the nearby park andthen proceeded to stab her several times in
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the same wound in her chest.Assuming that Jane was dead, he left
her. Jane was still alive andwould lay there helpless, alone and dying.
Thank God. At about nine fortyfive am the next morning, two
kids found Jane's body by the wallon their way to play in the park.
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The children, that would just affectyou for life again. And there's
a lot of kids because the milkmanhad a ten year old brother as well.
Yeah, Jane's murder gained global newscoverage as she was only sixteen,
and up until this point he hadbeen quote murdering sex workers. He will
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He does later go on to saythat he just assumed that Jane was a
sex worker because she was walking ina known spot and he didn't realize he
didn't realize until he was quote alreadyattacking her well, that she was not
a sex sex Yeah, so he'sclaiming that she was walking in a known
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area where sex workers worked, thatthey would walk along this road all night
to pick up clients. So whenhe saw her, he just assumed she
was a sex worker, And itwasn't until he'd already begun attacking her that
he copped that she was young.But he went ahead and he killed her
anyway, So right, Yeah,Jane's father had to identify her body,
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which I can only imagine as heartbreaking. The murder of Jane became international news,
and she was mentioned as an innocentvictim because she wasn't a sex worker.
All of these women, first ofall, were innocent, but she
was. She didn't she she hadn'teven been given a chance yet, she
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was only sixteen. The public alsobegan to get angry that the police still
had no leads in this case.The police then decided that they were going
to start a task force of threehundred and four officers. Oh talk about
overcompensation. Oh if this is notthe only task force, it gets out
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of hand, and this is whythey don't solve it. So what they
end up doing is they started upthis original task force. It's like three
hundred and four officers that are like, yeah, we're going to solve this
crime. And then like say inlike leads, right, I can't remember
where this is, but I'm justand then he goes knee tax in Bradford.
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So then they set up a taskforce in Bradford, and then he
goes and knee attacks in like Manchester, and then they go and they set
up a task force in Manchester.And then they go and they set up
another task force, and then theyset up another task force. And then
none of these task forces are communicatingwith one and it's just gonna ask,
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yeah, no, of course notno, they don't. They don't tell
each other anything, and you're like, maybe just have one task force for
the entire thing, but just youknow, like if it's a Yorkshire ripper
case, then it just immediately goesto this one task force and it has
nothing to do with areas. Imean, y'all want to be united so
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badly, I don't you fucking unitein your own country and stopped trying to
unite others. The police then gota profile of the killer and it was
nothing like Peter. The police werelooking for a land Rover car which Peter
did not drive, and the leaddetective had refused to publicly link Jane's murder
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with the rest as she wasn't asex worker. So the officers are like,
no, this is clearly a Yorkshireripper murder, and the like lead
investigator is like, no, butshe's not a sex worker. She's only
sixteen. Mm, couldn't be it. So sorry, we never see a
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change in demo ever, never ever, And they're like but it's clearly and
he's like no, no, no, no, not me. Before I
go any further, going to takea quick little ad break and I'm just
gonna go toilet. So the familiesof the other victims actually get quite upset
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Yane being referred to as an innocentvictim because they're like, well, like
my wife or my sister or mymother, like was innocent too, Like
what and like they understand that she'syoung and she's sixteen or whatever, but
they're like, but like my familymember was also innocent, Like yeah,
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because it's not enough that you loseyour family member, you have to watch
their legacy be absolutely like like securedagain and again in the paper and the
media. In the media, they'renot talking about like how much of a
loving mother Wilma was. It's like, oh, no, she had alcoholism
and was a sex worker. Yeah, they're not. They're completely stripping them
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of any sort of human points.Yeah, what I'm trying to say.
In July nineteen seventy seven, Peterand Sonia officially bought their dream home,
and on July ninth, nineteen seventyseven, Peter went out drinking with his
friend with his friends Ronald and DavidBerker in Bradford. After a night of
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drinking, Peter dropped his friend's homeand then he went out looking for a
victim. At around two am,he saw forty two year old Moreen Long
outside a nightclub. Peter offered hera write home and she accepted. Maureen
asked Peter to drop her off ather ex husband's apartment. According to Peter,
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she asked him if he fancied her, and the pair agreed to get
to a more secluded place. However, this is just what Peter says,
so we don't know how true itis. Moren then got out of the
car to go pee behind a bushon an embankment with her back to Peter.
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He snuck up behind her and hehit and he hit her on the
head with a hammer. Peter thendragged her to a waiste disposal sight.
He then hit Maureen again with thehammer. He then pulled up her dress
and stabbed her five times. Inthe torso. Peter then made long incisions
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from her groin to her sternum.He then flipped Maureen and stabbed her a
further four times in the back.Peter then dragged her body to the darker
side of the Waiste disposal and puta dirty old mattress on top of her.
As Peter left the Waiste disposal,he left, he fell and landed
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on a broken porcelain sink. Heleft behind a bloody partial handprint. A
night freshman mhm. A night watchmanhad seen Peter drive away in his white
Corsair. However, he mistook itfor a Quartina, which I'm not gonna
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lie, right, I don't knowmy carney, no me neither, Like
whenever I get a bolt here,just like uber, I'm I'm looking at
the license plate. I have nofucking idea what car you drive at Yeah,
so I'm not even going to pretendlike I know what the difference between
those two cars is, but thereis a difference. The next morning,
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at about eight thirty am, twowomen walking past the waste disposal heard what
they thought was a baby crying.It was Maureen crying for help. Oh
my god, Maureen was brought tohospital, where she survived. What Peter
didn't realize was that when he putthe mattress on top of her to try
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hide her body, that helped likeput pressure on her wounds. Oh my
god, how that's so. Idon't want to say lucky, but yeah,
it's crazy. How that how thathappened? Maureen was sorry. Maureene
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didn't remember much about her attack,but she was able to give some sort
of description of Peter to police.Police were now looking for a white Cortina,
which is there still the wrong car, but it's closer than a land
Rover and a man with light brownshoulder length hair in his mid to late
thirties. Peter then decided to sellhis white Cosair and he bought a red
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Courser Cosair to try and to tryfurther himself from the description a little m
I mean, it's the same car, but it's just instead of white,
it's new head. On October first, nineteen seventy seven, Peter drove to
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Manchester to the Red Light District tolook for a victim. He saw twenty
year old Jean Jordan. He askedher if she was in business, and
she agreed. They drove to acemetery and agreed to have sex for five
pounds on the grass. As Jeanwalked towards the grass, Peter snuck up
behind her and hit her thirteen timeswith a hammer in the head. Peter
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then stabbed her multiple times before headlightsof a car scared him off. Whilst
driving home, Peter realized the fivepounds he had paid Jean was a brand
new five pound note. There wouldn'thave been many of those because it was
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just released, and they would beable to connect him to the crime through
this five pound note. And hereads, He's like, shit, I
left that behind and that's going tohave significance because it's a new five pound
note. They like changed the pictureof the queen or something the on us.
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So he was like, oh no, bro h. And it had
come from his paypacket. So whatpolice were going to be able to do,
and what they were able to do, is they find out what bank
it has come from. They're ablethen to find out where this bank paid
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it too, which would be thecompany that Peter is working for, and
then they wouldn't obviously be able totell what paypacket it went into, but
they would be able then to interviewall the workers and you know, yeah,
yeah. So Peter decided that hewasn't going to go back and find
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it at the risk of being caught, and thought that he would just wait
it out. Now, he attacksand kills Jean on October first. On
October ninth, nineteen seventy seven,Peter in Sonia through a housewarming party.
Peter offered to drop his friend's homeafter the party, and then he drove
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up to Jean's body. She hadstill not been found. Peter could not
find Jean's purse, which had thefive pounds in it, and in a
rage, Peter dragged Jean's body outof its hiding spot, ripped her clothes,
and stabbed her torso a couple ofscabbed her. Yeah, he stabbed
her corpse a couple of times.He then slashed her chest and her stomach
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over twenty times. He then triedto remove her head so she couldn't be
identified and make sure it looked lesslike a ripper killing. However, he
couldn't get her head off, sohe gave up and went home, opening
her out in the open like that. Oh my god, that poor woman.
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Even after death, she wasn't leftalone. Nope. The next morning,
October tenth, a worker who wasthere to like work on the garden
and so the area that he killedher was beside a graveyard. So a
worker came to like tidy up thegarden and to tidy up the graveyard found
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Jean's body. Police immediately could tellthat this was a ripper killing, and
it was all over the news,so he tried to not make it look
like a ripper killing, but inDosau made it even more evident that it
was a ripper killing. Jean's husbandknew it was his wife by the description
and told police that he never reportedher missing because she often went to Scotland
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to see family for days at atime, so it wasn't unheard of that
he wouldn't hear from her for acouple of days, okay, which I
mean, I guess okay, youknow, like yeah, it's not like
they had mobile phone, so you'rejust texting each other and being like,
hey, I'm just going away fora couple of days. I'm sure,
so oh, she'll call me whenshe gets there. He just assumed that
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she had told him and he'd forgotten. He was just like, I just
like she does it so regularly thatI just assumed I just like forgot she
told me and was like, oh, she'll be home in a couple of
days time. But then when thedescription of the body found in the park
was on the news, he waslike, oh shit, that's my wife.
Five days later, someone found Jean'spurse with Peter's five pounds inside.
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Police were able to trace it tothe bank, and then they traced it
to where Peter worked, and policeinterviewed over five thousand people, Peter being
one. However, he had analibi. He was having a housewarming party
that night, so there's no waythat he had killed somebody because he dropped
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his friend's home and then went home. Guy, guys, there's like plenty,
plenty of time in an evening,you know. H On December fourteenth,
nineteen seventy seven, Peter drove pasttwenty five year old Marylyn Moore.
Marlyn was a sex worker who waswalking home from a friend's house. Peter
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drove passed her twice before pulling over. He called her over and introduced himself
as Dave. He asked if shewanted business, and she agreed. He
paid her five pounds and then theygot into his car and drove to a
quiet spot. When they pulled over, Peter suggested that they get into the
back of the car instead of gettingout. Marlin agreed, but notice that
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her door was locked, so Petergot out and he walked around to open
her door for her, and ashe did, he hit her over the
head with a hammer. Marlin screamedas she fell out of the car.
She tried to stay up by holdingonto Peter's trousers, but he just continued
to hit her over the head withthe hammer. Marlin's screams caused a nearby
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dog to start barking, and thismade Peter panic about being caught, so
he ran away. Peter thought Marlinwould die because he had hit her over
the head so many times. However, after he ran away, Marlin got
the strength to get up and sheran towards the road. A couple were
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driving past and saw her covered inblood and crying, so they pulled over
and called nine one one for heror I don't know is it nine one
one in America or in England?Yeah? Please, I think I think
if you call it no matter whereyou are, I think it will connect
you to an emergency service. Youknow what I mean when I say nine
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one, Yeah, in Ireland it'sone one two M. Because we had
the Randy phones, so it wasfaster. It's not why. I'm pretty
sure someone told I can't remember someonetold me that before. I always thought
that about the Randy phones, Like, if you're calling nine one one,
it's not not going to take forfucking ever. Yeah, we're an OL
and just go one, one twoM. Anyways, Marlin then gave a
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description of Peter and was able totell police that he drove from a Roon
colored car. However, they werenow looking for somebody named Dave or David,
so they were you know, theyhad interviewed Peter, but they were
looking for a Dave and David.M hmm. Yeah. On January twenty
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first, nineteen seventy eight, Peterwas helping his parents move into their new
home. When he left, hewent looking for a victim, and this
is when he saw on twenty oneyear old Yvonne Pearson. Yvonne was out
working the streets when Peter tried tohit on her with his car. No,
sorry, he tried to hit herwith his car. What, Yeah,
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that's that's a whole new what Peterwaters, he has like a disgusting
amount of confidence at this stage,like for all of the times that he's
been interrupted, that he's done thisin fields, like in public and never
been caught. Oh, he's justdead here hitting people with his fucking car.
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It gets better. He then cameto a stud a sudden stop,
and he rolled down his window andhe began apologize in claiming that he didn't
even see her and he's so sosorry. Are you okay? Do you
need to lift home? And Yvonnejust replied, quote, just good timing.
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You can put it down to face, oh, Vaughan. Oh.
Yvonne then got into Peter's car andthey agreed on five pounds in exchange for
some sex, and then drove toa quiet area. Peter suggested that they
get into the backseat of the car, and while Yvonne wasn't looking, he
took out his hammer and he hither on the head. Peter then dragged
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Yvonne to an old, dirty sofathat was beside them where he had pulled
up. Another car pulled up besidehim and there was a couple in it.
Yvonne was moaning from being hit withthe hammer and in order to make
her quiet, Peter began stuffing couchthe like couch, stuffing down her throat,
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oh my god, and he heldher nose. The car eventually left
because like to be fair to thatother car. First of all, it's
dark. Second of all, ifyou just see a couple sitting on a
dirty old couch, you're just goingto assume it's like sex work happening or
you know, yeah, and he'sprobably like on top of very like you,
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and yeah, you're not thinking,oh, a woman is being killed.
They're in knocking, they're having sex. Yes. Peter then began to
kick Yvonne in the head and thebody. He then jumped on her chest
until her ribs cracked. Yvonne hadtwo children and there was a babysitter the
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night that Yvonne went out. Whenshe never returned home, the babysitter immediately
reported her missing, as she alwayscame home. Yvonne's body would not be
found until March twenty sixth, nineteenseventy eight, and she was killed when
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in January January twenty first fuck someonewalking past the disposal site sawn arm sticking
out from the couch, and that'show they found her corpse. The police
didn't originally link the murder to theRipper case as it was so different.
A newspaper with the date February twentyfirst on it was placed under Yvonne's arm,
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which which was a month after shewas murdered. However, Peter denies
returning to the scene of any ofhis victims. We know that to be
a lie because he returned to JeanJordan's body exactly, and he returned to
be even more violent. He's asick guy, so it wouldn't surprise me
if he went back to try anddo something to alterate the scene. So
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like he claims that like he didn'tgo to any he didn't return to any
sites, and that it wasn't himthat put the newspaper under Yvonne's arm,
but like it more than likely washim. On January thirty first, nineteen
seventy eight, Peter was out lookingfor a victim when he came across eighteen
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year old Helen Ripke. Peter pickedHelen up in the Red Light district and
drove to a secluded place near therailway. He suggested that they get into
the back of the car, andshe agreed. As he went to hit
her on the head, two menstarted walking past the car, so Peter
had to stop his plan. Whenthe men left, though, Peter just
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continued on with his plan and hitHelen in the head with the hammer.
Peter then said he took a breakbefore going back and dragging Helen's body to
a woodyard. He then began stabbingher several times. Peter then became a
raised at the thought of almost gettingcaught, so he sexually assaulted Helen once
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he had finished stabbing her. However, the medical examiner later said that there
was no evidence that Helen was assaultedlike sexually. So it is the being
out in the open and they're reallygetting caught that is doing it for him.
Well, so like he's saying,oh, I sexually assaulted her,
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but the medical examiner is like,there's no evidence to suggest that at all.
M hmm. I wonder if hehad trouble Maybe that's why he hated
women so much. I wonder ifhe had trouble like having sex, like
like, yeah, become incompetent.Is that no? Not incompetent? Not?
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Because the like medical examiner is like, not, only was there no
evidence that she was assaulted sexually.There's no evidence of sexual intercourse at all.
M The next day, people werearriving for work at the woodyard and
they saw the ground was soaked inblood and they saw torn women's clothes.
But they ignored that. Oh okay, they said that, seeing as sex
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workers were often frequent on the yardat night, it was just no cause
for concern. They were like,it's just just sex workers blood, Like,
it's fine, it's fine, it'sfine. Helen's body was then found
two days later. Her body hadbeen found between two stocks of wood.
(50:22):
Police were seriously struggling to solve thecase, and even reached out to the
public, offering a reward of fivethousand pounds to anyone with information that would
lead to an arrest. Nothing ofnote really came forward, And then this
was when police would start receiving lettersfrom Jack the Ripper, Jack the Ripper
(50:45):
from Like what the eighteen hundreds place? It is not Peter sending these letters.
Oh so it's just some other ziggolooking to take credit. What did
these weirdos always come crawling out ofthe woodwork? Honestly, I know,
and I think that is where Iwill leave it. You guys, oh,
(51:07):
leave it on a cliffhanger with Jackthe Ripper. Yeah, I leave
it there, you guys, becausethe liffhanger. Those poor women, Like
I know, I didn't talk muchthrought that because it was like trying to
process. It's a lot of information, it's a lot of it's a lot
(51:29):
of a compression and anger. Yeah, he is so angry, and I'm
genuinely starting to think that it's becausehe can't get it up and that's why
he's trying about sexually assaulting these women. I know he's actually assaulted at least
one, and I know he's masturbatingover the bodies. But maybe it's because
they're dead they can't judge or laughat him. And I don't lie.
(51:52):
I never thought of it like that, Like, I never thought of it
in that way that maybe it's becausehe has incompetence. Oh, now that
you say it, I'm like,it makes the most sense. And don't
they say as well, that's stabbingis like another it's it's another type of
penetration, Like that's yeah, becausethey struggle to penetrate they stabbed because yeah,
(52:20):
yeah, um, that's very verypossible. And it gets pretty wild
from here on out and the policejust when I told you that they question
When I told you that they questionedm. Peter, that's not the only
(52:44):
time that they questioned him again.They go on to question him like another
like ten times, and then he'salso a person of interest at least eighteen
times. Or he's like, sohe's interviewed by police officially like ten times
(53:05):
or something like that, and thenhe's like in like the suspect pool like
a further like eighteen times. Whatif somebody is coming up that much on
your radar, Like, mmmm,maybe it's time to do a bit more
than questioning, you know, maybemaybe follow him for a while, see
(53:30):
what he gets up to in hisspare time. And then we will see
Trevor birdsall his redemption arc, hisredemption It's a coming. Don't forget about
Trevor, Or do I don't reallyreally care. I mean he still does.
(53:52):
Let it go on for like fuckingsix years or some shit. Yeah,
Trevor, come on, I'm rootingfor you. I'm so If you
enjoyed this week's episode, please gocheck out some of our other episodes.
If you haven't already listened to Megan'sepisode on Oh Megan's episode on What's This
(54:20):
Leaf Guy, Leaf Guy Matthew Hoffman, Um, that was a really good
episode. I know I didn't forgetit. I know I forgot his name,
but I forget everybody's name, soit's fine. I forget people I
know names, So it's totally cool. Every time somebody like close to me
has the baby for the first likea month, and I was like,
(54:43):
oh, how's the baby because I'mterrified and I'm gonna say the wrong name.
And I'm like, I know thatthat's that's that child's name, but
I say the wrong one. I'veforgotten people's names thought like I literally see
on a daily basis, like Iwork with them every single day. I'm
like, yeah, I hate thatI see these people every day, but
(55:08):
yeah, I'm like, what's yourname? That was a really good episode
and reinformative. Thank you leave,You're welcome. It was I'm not gonna
lie am. I then think thatI had seen the netext documentary and I
(55:29):
was like, oh, that wouldbe super interesting to cover on the podcast,
and then I kind of forgot abouthow many people he actually does attack
and kill, and so I waslike, this will be a like quick
case to cover. It will besomething that'll only be like one episode,
(55:50):
won't involve too much research, likeas in like like life consuming research,
and you know, and then Iwas like fantastic, Yeah, that's great
for me. That's great. Soif you enjoyed this week's podcast, it
(56:12):
was a fun little podcast. Youknow, we had give us music and
then we had some give us somecrime was exactly. So if you enjoyed
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