The Yorkshire Ripper Pt 3

Join us for our third and final part of The Yorkshire Ripper. We will talk about letters and audio that were sent to the police, the final murders and attacks and how Peter Sutcliffe eventually gets caught.


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Episode Transcript

(00:16):
Hi, welcome back to give usMark Neive, I'm Megan, and we're
depressed. We got the post showblues guys. It was amazing. I
cried hard, she did. Neivelooked at me at one point, just
bawling my eyes out because you werelike you were like next me, singing

(00:40):
along, having a good time.And then then like next minute I looked
out for actually you were like,is this so beautiful? It was like
a full like circle moment for youor something. You're just like, oh
my god, I can't believe I'mhere. Yeah, it was that.
And then they were singing last Hopeas well, so I could not.
I was so shocked. She sangthat to be perfectly honest, really yeah,

(01:04):
it's like a good song. ButI just I love the song.
But I just was like, ohno, she probably wouldn't play it.
Yeah, no, I know,but it. Yeah. My own bone
to pick is that out of theUK and Europe tour, Dublin is the
only city that didn't. It's theonly city that didn't get all I wanted.

(01:26):
Thank you fucking Dublin is because ofbullshit technical issues. Those technical issues
at the start, and it likederailed it for a few minutes, and
so I think they didn't have timeto perform it. I don't know,
because they just were like because webooed hey at one point, well not
we Apparently she got booed because shemeant she had a slip of the tongue

(01:51):
and said that Ireland was part ofthe UK, and maybe she was like,
you know what, fuck y'all.However, we did have a school
choir moment when she sang the Crimeries. Oh my god, it was absolutely
incredible because what it was it waslike a mixture of old paramour fans that
were there form misery business and thingslike that, and the new fans and

(02:14):
but all of us share are obviouslyobvious not obviously, yes, of course.
So when she whipped out the acousticatar and started just singing dreams,
everybody was singing it back to her. I have to say that was like
a moment where it's like, ah, yeah, this is what it's like
to be Irish. Yeah, likethis is this is this is what it

(02:37):
is like. Yeah, it wasa concert. Was amazing, Yes,
won't lie though, I'm I wasso mad the next night when they released
the next day they like had releasedthe setlist, the setlist was supposed to
be, and all I wanted wason there. I was like, fucking

(03:00):
shitting me, are you fucking havingright now? Miss Williams. If you're
nasty, i am nasty. I'mbitter nasty because he didn't play Oh My
Wife. But it was incredible andthen Zach did some half noise stuff.
But yeah, ten out of ten. If you ever have the opportunity to
go and see Power More Alive,even if you don't really like their music,

(03:22):
it's kind of just a vibe tobe there. I have to say,
like out of the not all toomany, but several concerts I've been
to over the years, she wasup there like they were the band and
everything. They were up there withone of the greatests that I've seen.
Yeah, their energy is just insaneand they keep going for the whole show,

(03:44):
show, the interaction with the crowd. Yes, their energy and everything
like and even like how they setFor me, it's how they sound like.
It is their energy as well,but how they sound like. If
they don't sound the same, it'swrong. Oh my god. The music
itself, obviously on part always soundsso good. But her vocals for how

(04:06):
much she jumps around the stage.Yeah, I don't understand how she can
do it. Honestly, Kings ofLeon would be my faith so far,
just because my favor in general,but like in live but I have to
say she like not just her,but the like they put on a great
show. They put on a goodcompetition show. Like I was like,

(04:29):
damn, anyway, we've literally beentalking about them for five minutes, so
so we'll just jimp ready. Inlast week, you heard about part two
of Good Old Peter. Yeah,I talked about Peter Sutcliffe and I went
into in the first episode of thisthree part I went into like his growing

(04:54):
up life and kind of mentioned hislike first few attacks, and then in
the second part, I went heavilyinto his attacks and that's when he started
murdering women, mostly sex workers.And I also talked about how the media
really heavily focused on it being sexworkers, like it was like, oh,

(05:15):
the media was like no sex workers, like oh, it's nothing.
Now it's nothing. And then Ialso mentioned just briefly about how the police
at this time that we're looking afterthis case, where'd doing such a great
job. They had like five milliondifferent sex dedicated to finding Peter Sutcliffe literally

(05:40):
like pretty much in every town thathe attacked, like headquarters would be set
up to find the Yorkshire Ripper.And you're like, yeah, or you
could just all combine to one mand then there's no lack of communication or
anything like that. That would begreat. That would be fucking fantastic.

(06:02):
It's actually, um, I believenot too long ago, like only a
couple of years ago, the police, like in the Yorkshire area apologized for
the handling of this case. I'msure that wasn't easy to admit. They
were like, yeah, he couldhave been better. Whoopsie, daisies are

(06:29):
bad. At least nobody got her. Oh wait, never mind, at
least at least it was only itwas only sex workers. You guys,
it's fine, clarification, We don'tthink like that. No, that was
still smocking the police. Um.And then I also just talked about how

(06:50):
the police were now trying to setup like rewards for anybody that had information
on who they thought the Yorkshire Ripperwas, and I left off with how
the police were beginning to receive lettersfrom Jack the Ripper. But side note,

(07:14):
this is not Peter Sutcliff. Thisis just another sickle. He was
like trying to take credit or someshit. Yeah, fuck off. So
the first letter was sent to thepolice in March nineteen seventy eight. The
letter talked about how he was sorryfor killing Jane McDonald. She was the

(07:38):
sixteen year old girl that Peter hadquote miss stuck for a sex worker.
Yes, yea. So he talkedabout how he was sorry for killing her
and how he was only killing sexworkers. He then signed this letter Jack
the Ripper and as I said,this is not sent by Peter Sutcliffe.

(08:01):
And Peter later on, when he'scaught, it's like, I said,
none of the like, none ofthese are me. No, that wasn't
me. The murders, yeah,noh know. He when I say,
he says none of it was me. He means the letters. He knows
he's caught on the murder part.He's like, that was me. But

(08:22):
the letters, now that's some weirdough. You guys might want to look into
that and there's some real sickos outthere. Days later, the same person
wrote a similar letter to the DailyMail. In this letter, he told
them to quote warn them whores,oh about how he was planning to strike

(08:46):
again, once again, the letterwas signed Jack the Ripper, and once
again Peter didn't write this. Bothletters mentioned a murder that took place in
nineteen seventy five, and this ledthe police to start investigating it. However,
this murder was not committed by PeterSutcliffe. So this letter starts talking

(09:07):
about and this the two letters starttalking about a murder that took place in
nineteen seventy five, just before Peterstarted murdering, and it like takes place
in like a completely different part ofYorkshire. Right, Peter Suckcliffe did not
commit this murder, and I'm prettysure they have found who did commit this

(09:31):
murder, but at this stage theyhave not, Okay, And so the
Yorkshire Ripper Like, so they're receivingletters and they are assuming that it's from
the Yorkshire Ripper because I mean,why wouldn't you, in their defense,
because you signed it as fucking Jack. Yeah. But so the reason why
he was called the Yorkshire Ripper isbecause he was killing, like, he

(09:56):
was killing sex workers like Jack theRipper, right, Okay, so that's
why they were like, oh,well, it's obviously the same guy who's
trying to recreate Jack the Ripper.I know that in this scenario it wasn't
actually the murderer, but like sonof Sam, BTK, what's with the
letters? Even the X Man ofNew Orleans he'd done a letter as well.

(10:18):
His letter though, was that wasto Tree. I'm gonna hang that
up on my wall. He's hurt. Yeah, I don't know. And
they do later find out who writesthese letters, like he doesn't really hot,
Like he's just like, yeah,it's just it's just some old weep.

(10:39):
Yeah, it's just like I thoughtit would be funny. People don't
do if your evenings people are beingmurdered, and you're like, wouldn't it
be funny to send the investigation ina completely wrong direction? I mean,
what else do you do and onyour Friday nights? Honestly, Like police

(11:05):
are now investigating this murder, likeobviously this murder should be investigated, but
they're now linking it to the YorkshireRipper and looking at it. Yeah,
they're now looking at it as ifit's a Yorkshire Ripper killing when it's not,
and it needs a different set ofeyes, like it needs someone for
not thin thin the Yorkshire Ripper,Like that's so damaging, so for literally,

(11:31):
just like the way that this personwas killed. Do you know if
it was at all similar? Ithink it was. I think it was
somewhat similar. And from what Ican remember, I should have wrote notes
on it, and I didn't becauseI was like, I'll remember that,
and because I think, yeah,because that's what I do. M But

(11:52):
yeah, I think it was somewhatsimilar. But it so. Peter Southcliffe
didn't start attacking women until nineteen seventyfive. And the way he was doing
it, he was doing it inspecific areas. There's only like a hand
like, there's only like two orthree times that he leaves Yorkshire to go

(12:13):
to Manchester, and this murder tookplace in a completely different part of Yorkshire.
And so it's like, I think, if you were to look at
it, you would say, no, this isn't a Yorkshire ripper killing.
But the police were just because theygot the letter the right O, well
than it has to be. Sobefore they couldn't connect cases together like at

(12:37):
all, and now they're just connectingrandom cases together because some fool rode in.
Yeah. Oh he does more thanwrite in. He leaves a tape
like a vote, an audio tape. Okay, Then, on May sixteenth,
nineteen seventy eight, Peter came acrossforty year old Via Millward Vera was

(12:58):
waiting on a right their client,as she needed some money, as a
lot of them did and there's alot of us still do. Peter pulled
up and asked if she was inbusiness, and Via agreed. Peter then
pulled up to a quiet spot besidethe Manchester Royal Infirmary, which is a

(13:18):
hospital. He then suggested they getin the back of the car, and
while Via wasn't looking, he hither over the head with his hammer.
He then dragged VIA's body out ofsight and began slashing her torso with a
knife. He then turned Via onher back and began stabbing her in the

(13:41):
same spot repeatedly in her back.Peter then left her body in a pile
of rubbish. The next morning,two men arrived to do grounds work for
the Royal Infirmary. When they sawwhat they thought was a dummy at first,
because obviously it's a hospital. Theywere like, they thought like it

(14:03):
was like it's teaching yeah, yeah, like you know, for like teaching
CPO or something like that. Asthey got closer, they realized that it
was indeed a corpse, and theycalled nine one one. Can I just
say the unfortunate irony of being murderedat a hospital, like that's horrible?
Could you imagine her heart? Likeshe's like he just if one doctor hears

(14:26):
me, if yeah, if anyone, and then like if a nurse hears
me, if someone hears me,like I'm at the hospital, like I'm
here. M police knew right awaythat it was a ripper killing. They
found bootprints and care tracks. Aman also came forward and said that the
night of the murder, around thetime of death, he was bringing his

(14:48):
son into a and E and hethought he heard someone scream for help.
Three times he stopped to listen,but he didn't hear anything, and he
put it down to stress because hewas like run in with his child.
And to be fair to the man, like if you're the sick child in
your arms, that like requires anyYeah, you're gonna be like, did

(15:11):
I hear someone scream for help?And also you are at a hospital where
people are screaming, Yeah, soyou're kind of would be more inclined to
be like I have to get myson in here. Yeah, just brush
it off and I know it soundsbad, but you're gonna be like,
my child is more important right now. M Like, so you don't think

(15:31):
about it. Like at a hospital, you're thinking like, oh, they're
probably being looked after, you know, yeah exactly. Police questioned Peter again
in August nineteen seventy eight about hiscar and in regards to the tire tracks
that they found at the scene ofthe Royal Infirmary. Peter said that it
was the only time his tire trackswere near a scene because he was on

(15:56):
his way to and from work,Like he was like, oh, I
was just to and from work,and that's probably like how my tire tracks
might be there. He also deniedusing the service of sex workers because he
was happily married. Well, didhe use the service of sex workers if
he was impotent? Like I fullyam believing that he is impotent. Yeah,

(16:19):
they never have any children or anythinglike that. So it's a very
real possibility. And police are like, okay, reasonable answer to me.
COO cool, see you at nexttime, probably, Peter, Oh you're
happily married. Yeah, of course. Men never cheap use sex workers ever,
there's no need for them. Theyjust all keep popping up for no

(16:41):
apparent reason unheard of. Peter thensold his car and he bought a black
car, so he was driving Ibelieve a white car at this time.
Yeah, this is his third carnow, so this is his third care
and his mother then passed away inNovember nineteen seventy eight. People said that

(17:04):
Peter's attitude changed and he became morerude and more angry once his mother died.
Then police received a third letter fromquote unquote Jack the Ripper, almost
a year after the first one,in March nineteen seventy nine, and again
this was not written by Peter.On April fourth, nineteen seventy nine,

(17:27):
Peter was out drinking with Trevor Birdsall, and after dropping Trevor home, he
went back out looking for a victim. Peter saw nineteen year old Josephine Whittaker,
who was walking home from her grandparents'house. Peter stopped Josephine and asked
if she had the right time andif she had fire to walk. While

(17:49):
Josephine checked the time, Peter hither over the head with his hammer.
It's interesting that this time he's noteven asking like are you in? As
he likes to say, business,business, yeah, he's like, not
even pretending anymore. So this sweetyoung girl she went to visit her grandmother
and her grandfather because she was likethis sweet little girl, like she was

(18:10):
nineteen, do you know what Imean. She's a sweet, sweet girl.
She wants to go see them.She missed them, spend time with
them. And then I got lateand she was like, oh, I
better go home. And he justseen her walking along this road and was
like, among a sex worker.Of course, always a sex worker would
be out at night. Then whatare you doing at at night, Peter?

(18:33):
If you don't use their services andyou're not a sex worker, you
should be cuddled up at home inbed with your wife like a good Christian
man. So then he asks herlike what He's like, oh, do
you have the right time? Andthen he's like do you have fair to
walk? And then she like looksdown to check her watch and he does
hits her. Once she fell andwas no longer conscious, Peter dragged Josephine

(18:57):
about thirty feet out of you.He then began to stab her with a
screwdriver he had sharpened. He hadsharpened the screwdriver because I remember him using
it before and I remember thinking,oh, that takes a bit more effort
than I You know, he likesharpened this screwdriver for the purpose of stabbing
somebody with it. Brilliant diy diy. He proceeded to stab her twenty five

(19:25):
times all over her body, includingher vagina. He then dragged her body
to the middle of the field.The next morning, a woman waiting on
a bus waiting on a bust ata stop spotted Josephine's body. She ran
to the bus stop to call nineone. A bus driver also reported the
scene as he wasn't sure what hesaw, but he knew it was something

(19:49):
bad as he was like driving past. As police arrived at the scene,
Josephine's thirteen year old brother was cyclingby to deliver newspapers again with the kids,
and he saw a shoe on thesidewalk. He knew the shoe and

(20:10):
he ran home to tell his parentswhat he saw. That's when they realized
that Josephine had never come home.They immediately rang the police for information.
Police didn't know whether to link Josephine'smurder with the rippers or not, because
she wasn't a sex worker and he'sonly killing sex workers, but he has

(20:30):
already killed other women who are notsex workers, who have been deemed quote
unquote innocent. And again I haveto say it, how many women are
being mutilated in Yorkshire that they arenot connecting? This wild to be perfectly
honest, because I feel like it'sa very specific thing that he's doing as
well. Do you know, likehe's hitting them with a hammer and then

(20:53):
he's stabbing them with some type ofsharp object. Yeah, Like how many
women are being attacked with a hammerand being stabbed? Like? How why
is that something that you're not linkingthat it's so regular? What? Yeah,
I don't get it. The policewere focused on the letters that they

(21:15):
had been receiving. They were kindof like banking on the letters to tell
them who the ripper was. Butthat was never going to be the case
because it is not the ripper thatis writing them. It's not the Zodiac
et. It's like, break thisand I'll tell you who I am.
I must know who the Zodiac killeris. It's like my life's mission.

(21:37):
If I die before I know whohe is, I'll be so pissed and
I will haunt him. Didn't theycrack the code a little? While ago
they cracked one. How many otherleft, you know, like three or
something. Christ they because they reckon, They reckon. It's going to take
like years to decode them all.In June nineteen seven nine, police received

(22:00):
an audio tape from someone claiming tobe the ripper. However, again it's
not Peter. The tape said quote, I'm Jack. I still, I
still, I'm Jack. I seeyou still have no luck catching me.
I have the greatest respect for you. George. George is the lead investigator

(22:22):
at this time. The lead investigatorchange changes a few times, but currently
it is George. Okay, butlord, you are no nearer to catching
me now than four years ago whenI started. I reckon. Your boys
are letting you down. George.You can't be much good, can you.
The only time they came near mewas in Chapeltown when I was disturbed,

(22:47):
and it was a uniform copper,not a detective. I warned you
in March i'd strike again. Sorryit wasn't Bradford. I did promise you
that, but I couldn't get there. I'm not quite sure when I'll strike
again, but definitely sometime this year, maybe September or October even sooner if
I can get the chance. I'mnot sure where. Maybe maybe Manchester.

(23:11):
I like it there. There isplenty of them knocking about. They never
learned, do they, George.I bet you warned them, but they
never listen. At the rate I'mgoing, I should be in the book
of records. I think it's elevenup to now, isn't it. I'll
keep on going for quite a whileyet, I can't see myself being nicked

(23:36):
just yet. Even if you doget near, I'll probably talk myself first.
Well, it's been nice chatting toyou, George, yours Jack the
ripper. I'm very curious about it. I was interrupted by a uniformed copper
because wasn't Peter interrupted before he wascalling a bush? He was, but

(23:59):
he see, here's the hilarious thingthe police have like like the press knew
about that, Like all of whathe says is something that is so easily
gathered by the press, Like thepress knew he was interrupted because she was
still alive, and like so themedia are interviewing he's he's interrupted when he

(24:22):
wasn't in the bush. The cropjust found him in the bush. He
hadn't attacked anybody yet. Oh,that was years ago. No, he
was He's been interrupted like several times. There was one time he was den
an alleyway and someone turned on theirheadlights. M there was like there's been
several times that he's like almost beencaught, and so like when that happens,

(24:47):
the media are then interviewing like whowho caught Like who stopped him?
Do you know what I mean?And so it's like, oh, yeah,
it's easy to assume that like atone stage or another policeman almost caught
him. So this person writing theletters is just like making educated guesses based
on what they've read in the media, saying like I'll probably attack again in

(25:10):
September or October. It's a completeanother like guess hmm, do you know?
And then but then he covers himselfby being like maybe soon or if
I can get the chance, yeah, and then he's like might go to
Manchester if I can get up there, do you know, Like it's like
if I can, I told youbefore i'd attack him. So like the

(25:32):
last letter they got, it waslike, oh, I'm going to attack
him Bradford, but then he theactual like Peter then he didn't attack him
in Bradford. So he's like,oh, I couldn't get up there,
and that's why I didn't attack Bradford. No, you didn't attack in Bradford
because he didn't attack in Bradford becausehe didn't know you told the police that's
where he was going to attack.Yeah, fucking hell. That guy watching

(25:56):
the news seeing that the most recentattack was in New Yorkshire, like,
fuck, how am I going tocover this one up? She's like,
oh I couldn't get there, ohmy flat tires, or just a suggestion,
you just don't send any more letters. Yeah, you could have stopped
it here. You could have stoppedit here, bib, Like, honestly,

(26:17):
what are you doing. Let's takea quick add break before we go
any further and welcome back. Afew weeks after receiving the letters, police

(27:19):
released clips of the audio and partialparagraphs of the letters to the public.
They were hopeful that someone would recognizeeither the manner of speaking, the voice,
or even the handwriting of the letters. Wait, so at this stage,
sorry, at this stage the audiohas been said, right, Yeah,

(27:42):
so police have letters and audio,and so they release snippets of the
audio, and they release paragraphs ofthe letters to the press of like for
the press to like put out andthey're hoping that some one either recognizes the
accent, the voice or the mannerof speaking, and then that they're also

(28:07):
hoping that someone recognizes the handwriting oryou know, like something something. The
accent on the audio was that ofthe Jordi accent. Jordi so sure.
Why? Oh my god. Iused to have such a love hate relationship
with that show. Yeah. Same. It was good when it was like

(28:30):
brand new and before they like weregetting into VIP parts of the club and
stuff. The first like few seasonswere so good and then they got like
more and more famous and it becamemore and more shit. Yeah, it's
like it gets more scripted because theyhad to keep the drama in the show.
Then it also made me really upsetfor Charlotte because she had an ef

(28:51):
topic pregnancy and he was just likeI found myself a girlfriend. Yeah,
my heart breaks for Charlotte. She'spregnant. She's not pregnant now, Holly
is Holly is Charlotte's had her baby. O. I'm so happy for her.
I know. Yeah. I literallywas like I won't lie. I
was like, oh my god,because like I was like, she like
deserves this. Yeah, yes,So the accent on the audiotape is that

(29:18):
of someone from like Newcastle, Likeit's like a Geordy accent. So they're
like, oh, that means thatthe killer is northern. However it's not
Peter Sultcliffe on the audio, andPeter Sultcliffe does not have a Geordy accent.
Wheel wheel. Then, on Septemberfirst, nineteen seventy nine, Peter

(29:41):
was looking for a victim and that'swhen he saw twenty year old Barbara Leach.
Barbara was walking home alone from alocal pub. Peter was getting out
of his car while Barbara walked pasthim, and as she did, Peter
hit her on the head with hishammer. He didn't even ask her question,
he didn't even stop her. Hedoes let her walk past, and

(30:02):
then as soon as her back wasto him, he attacked her like the
coward body is yea. He thendragged her body into a backyard and began
stabbing her with the same screw driverthat he used on Josephine. Peter then
positioned Barbara's body before placing rubbish andstones on top of her. The next

(30:23):
day, Barbara's roommates were worried thatshe never came home. However, they
didn't want to report her missing justyet in case like she stayed at a
friend's house or because logically that's whatyou're thinking. You're not thinking she's just
dead in a backyard somewhere. She'sa college student. Yeah, she could
have met a guy and gone backto his house. She could have stayed

(30:44):
in a different friend's house. Shecould have literally anything as possible, and
they didn't want to like report hermissing and then have her walk in the
door and then happened to explain topolice like, oh, do you know,
I get I do get it,But at the same time, what's
going on in the area. Iwould prefer to cause the hulla blooon,

(31:06):
to cause the hassle. You see. It's because as well as that,
you have the like media being likeit's just sex workers. M yeah,
and so they're like, well,she's not a sex worker, so she's
safe. When the case was thathe was just attacking women like m just
of any age, Like you havewomen to attack there that are in their

(31:30):
forties, and then you have womenthat he's attacked that are teenagers like sixteen,
yeah, yeah, do you knowthey finally do decide to report her
missing later on that afternoon, andwhile looking for her, police found her
body. Police then immediately are like, yeah, that's a ripper, Like
that's a ripper murder and body hidden, and like the way it was staged

(31:53):
and everything. Police were starting toget a lot of questions for from the
media and the public as to whythis case hadn't been solved yet, like
it's been four years, and likethere's still no closer to finding him.
There's still so much murders happening,Like what the fuck's going on? So

(32:14):
they began to go back and lookat their cases again to see what maybe
they had missed. They questioned peopleagain in the hopes of new leads.
Peter was formally questioned nine to tentimes, and he was interacted with at
least nineteen times during the investigation.That's it's just mind blowing. So like

(32:38):
he's formally brought in for questioning nineor ten times, but he's interacted with
a total of nineteen times at least, if not more, And this is
obviously only giving him confidence that hekeeps going in and they're like, now
you're good, he's getting like he'sgetting away with it. Yeah, he's

(33:00):
like, they're questioning me, notrealizing that it's me. So I can
do whatever I want and it's fine. It's could be pretty much. Peter
told police that he was at homedoing repair work the night Barbara was killed,
and Sonia cooborated this for him.Sonia was unaware that Barbara was killed

(33:20):
after one am, like she assumedshe was killed like nine pm. Like
they're like, oh, on thenight that she was killed. She's like,
i'll probably like early nighttime, yeah, evening, yeah, yeah,
And so she's like, no,he was at home. But then where's
your husband at one o'clock in themorning. See what he's doing. And
this is where he's clever. He'sgoing, I'm going for drinks with Trevor,

(33:42):
like Trevor birds All. Yeah,And he goes for drinks or for
Trevor birds All and then he's like, I'll drop you home, Trevor,
and then I'm going to head home. But he doesn't head home. He
heads off looking for a victim.So he has an alibi there because he's
going. Trevor's going to say,yeah, he dropped me home and then
he went home, and then she'syeah, he went for drinks with Trevor
and then came home. Right,I see. I'm still waiting for Trevor's

(34:05):
redemption arc. By the way,it's it's it's coming, I promise.
So police spent over one million poundsinvestigating the letters on the audio tape that
wasn't actually from the ripper, Sothey spent over one million pounds on something
that they should not have. Yes. Then in June nineteen eighty, police

(34:32):
followed Peter home as he was caughtspeeding. Whoa while, not hiding in
a bush is enough to follow youhome, but speeding. They soon realized
that he was drunk, so they'relike, he's drunk, and then police
starts fighting with Peter starts fighting withthe police overdoing a breathalyzer. Police eventually

(34:55):
arrest Peter and suspend his license fordrunk driving and speeding. Okay, One
of the arresting officers suggested that Peterbe investigated investigated as a possible suspect for
the Ripper, and other detectives toldhim that he'd already been ruled out.
That one police officer must have beenI don't even know the word. In

(35:20):
the Netflix documentary, they actually interviewhim and he's like, I really felt
like he was a strong possibility,like he was just like it was just
something about him. My spidy senseswere tangling to be on quite literally,
and so he's like, why don'twe interview him again for an eleventh time?
And they're like, but he's beenruled out and he's like, oh,

(35:40):
I don't know, I just feellike something and he in the In
the Netflix documentary, he basically saysthat the higher ups of the investig he's
just like an arresting officer, notlike the higher up detectives are like,
if you mentioned Peter Sutcliffe's name tous one more fucking time, you're at
the door, Oh, he's beenruled out, leave it, drop it.

(36:05):
So he's like, new, him'sgot it. They you know,
they probably didn't want to catch acase for fucking harassment either, probably not.
But at the same time, thispolice officer is like, no,
no, no, listen to me, like I'm seeing this go down like
in a movie, like leave italone, that you're off the case,
you know, essentially essentially is whathappened to him. Then, on August

(36:25):
twentieth, nineteen eighty, Peter jumpedMargarette walls. Margarette was walking home from
work, went out of nowhere,Peter jumped her. He hit her over
the head with a hammer and thenlooped rope around her neck before dragging her
out of sight. Peter then proceededto strangle Margarette. He then took all

(36:46):
of her clothes except for a pairof tights. He then put grass cuttings
and leaves over her and the nextmorning to gardener has found Margaret's body and
immediately called the police. At first, police did not link the depth to
the ripper because the EMO was completelydifferent. And I will give them this

(37:09):
one. It is completely not atall what you're expecting from a Yorkshire ripper
killing. Margarette was never considered avictim of the ripper until Peter is caught
and eventually admits to everything. Right, so they're not investigating this as a
ripper case whatsoever. And it's notuntil Peter is actually arrested and he starts

(37:34):
like confessing, yep, I gother too. Yeah. Then on September
twenty fourth, nineteen eighty, Peterwas in a KFC restaurant when he saw
a thirty four year old Upondia Bandaraand I'm so sorry if I did not
say that right. Peter immediately leftthe restaurant and quickly began following her.

(38:00):
As soon as she turned down abadly alleyway, Peter ran up and hit
her over the head with a hammer. No hate that, Nope, No,
it's the running. You know,That's what you're was afraid of.
It is, isn't it. Hethen began to try and strangle her with

(38:21):
her rope and he looted it aroundher neck. Someone could hear the commotions,
so they walked outside to see whatwas going on and they scared Peter
off. The neighbor rang police immediatelywhen they saw Pandia bleeding from her head.
Police did link this to the Rippercase, but they did not link
the murder of Margarette, so theywere like, yeah, okay, we'll

(38:45):
believe you that this is the ripperEmma was similar to the previous murder.
Yeah, that's still not a Rippercase. Upandia, thankfully survived, wasn't
able to give a clear description ofher attacker because obviously she's in a KFC

(39:06):
like getting food, leaving, notpaying attention to like people are coming in
at the doors, and like,of course you don't you don't look at
people when you're in a fast foodrestaurant. I am busy eating my three
burgers and I'm piling that ship.Yeah, but my sweet and Sarah saw
some. I'm just drinking it.On November fifth, nineteen eighty, Peter

(39:29):
was on the hunt again for avictim when he saw sixteen year old Teresa
Sikes. Teresa was walking home afterbuying cigarettes and was fifty yards from her
home when Peter snuck up behind herand hit her over the head. As
she fell to the ground, Peterhit her again. Peter thought Teresa wasn't

(39:52):
conscious and began to drag her.When Teresa began screaming for help, Peter
quickly fled the scene. Teresa's boyfriendcame running out to the screens and found
her in the grass. He callednine one one, but Teresa wasn't able
to give a clear description of herattacker. I'm so glad that her and

(40:12):
the previous victim obviously survived, yesthankfully. Two weeks later, on November
seventeenth, nineteen eighty, Peter toldSonya he was working late and that she
shouldn't wait up for him. Buthe wasn't working late. He was on
the hunt for a victim when hesaw a twenty year old Jacqueline Hill.
Jacqueline was walking home from a lecture. Peter was in a KFC when he

(40:37):
saw her and decided, okay,follow her. Now it's getting unhealthy,
Peter, all right, he needsto calm down with the KFC. I
know the bone, the boneless wingsare good. We gotta calm down.
Why is he ruining KFC for everybody? You know what, John mane Gacy,
the KFC. I'm just gonna haveto ask serial killers to stay away

(41:00):
from delicious fast food chain restaurants.Yeah, if you ruined McDonald's for me,
I will fucking haunt you down myselfif you were if anyone dares,
If anyone dares, I'll suffocate themwith the mcflurry. You know what worse
a filet of fish? Oh yeah, you're getting a filet of fish in
your face. You're getting twenty I'mgoing to suffocate you. I'm going to

(41:22):
shove them in your mount until youcan't breathe no more. WHOA that felt
personal? I really like McDonald's.Okay. As Jacqueline turned down a badly
light road, Peter snuck up behindher, and hit her over the head
with a hammer. He then draggedher body behind in Arndale, behind the

(41:43):
Arndale Shopping Center, which is inManchester, which is where I shopped in
the Arndale. Okay, it's fuckingmass up. So I don't know where
he brought her. But because Icould not tell you where the behind of
it is, because there's like twentydifferent entrances. Is there build a bear
in that one? Yeah? Ithink I was there when I was younger

(42:05):
and I got a lamb and Icalled her Sally and if you pushed on
her, Tommy, it was like, I love you. But then obviously
the voice box started to die,was oh love you. Sally had to
go love and it's like, nope, no, you don't. You're out

(42:29):
of here. You don't love me. It's okay, just leave, Sally,
just leave. It's not mutual.It's not me, it is you.
So he brings her behind the ArundaleShopping Center and began stabbing her even
in the eye. It does thathave been built a bear in it?

(42:51):
In the eye? Yep? Ohmy god. Id a Rondo ten PM
A student friend Jacqueline's purse and broughtit home his room had been a police
officer in Hong Kong, and sohe found a woman's purse. So he
found a woman's purse, and hehis roommate used to be a police officer
in Hong Kong, and so hein his like, I suppose I'm going

(43:17):
to go out and away him andsay innocent head brings it home and is
like, hey, you used tobe a police officer. What should I
do with this? I found itnear the arndale, right, I don't
know. I guess you would.They're like. The roommate is like,
you should have left it there andjust called the police. Yeah, but

(43:42):
he's like, but right, we'llcall the police now, I guess.
So the police do a quick searchof the area, but they never found
Jacqueline's body. The following morning,an employee at the Arndale found Jacqueline's body
and called nine one one. Soshe's just been very close. She was
thirty yards from where her purse was. But yet when police But when police

(44:08):
went searching, they never found her, even just being the person that picked
up the purse, knowing that shewas only a few feet away from you.
Literally, police told the press theyhad no reason to suspect it was
a ripper murder. Okay, you'rethe police. I trust you implicitly.

(44:29):
On November twenty fifth, nineteen eighty, police received a letter that said,
quote to whom it may concern,I'm writing to inform you that I have
every good reason to believe I knowthe man you are looking for in the
ripper case. It is an incidentwhich happened within the last five years.

(44:52):
I cannot give any date or placeor any details without myself being known to
the ripper or you. If thisis the man, it is only until
recently something came to my notice,and now a lot of things fit into
place. I can only tell youone to do things which fit. For

(45:13):
example, this man has had dealingswith sex workers and always had a thing
about them. Also, he isa long distance lurry driver collecting engineering items
etc. I am quite sure ifyou check up on dates etc. You
may find something. His name andaddress is Peter Sutcliffe, five Garden Lane,

(45:37):
Heaton, Bradford. Police ignore thisletter was that forever trying to do
that make good? No one processedit until after Peter had been arrested,
and the letter was written none otherby Trevor birdsall go tever, go forever.

(46:00):
I'm still not happy with you,though you could have done something earlier.
He could have well, at leastyou did something at this point.
I honestly believe to begin with,it was a case of not my friend,
but your friend has you know,assaulted sex workers right in front of
you. He kind of is like, no, cot be him, like

(46:23):
he's a nice guy, he's lovingwith his wife, like no, and
then I think just things start toline up for him that he's like,
shit, I think it is myfriend. That's like when you come to
a sudden realization of something that happenedin your childhood one day, when you're
just sitting there and you're like,oh, this makes sense now, so

(46:46):
this is why I'm traumatized. Yeah, yeah, I think it's well,
he's like realizing that, like likehe's gone for drinks with Peter, and
then that night a woman has beenmurdered, yes, you know, and

(47:07):
he's kind of going, yeah,that woman was murdered at like one am,
and he dropped me home at liketwelve am. M. Yeah,
you would get a little suspicios so, but no one processes the letter until
after Peter is arrested. I findthis amazing because it's like you have questioned

(47:30):
this man multiple times and now youhave an anonymous letter being sent to you
being like, oh, I'm prettysure it's him, and you're just like,
Eh, the letter. I don'teven think the letter was opened.
I think the letter arrives in oneof the many headquarters that was set up
and it sits there. And thepolice's excuse was that they were receiving hundreds

(47:53):
of tips at the time. Yeah, I'm sure they meant to get rented
it after their coffee break. Andit's like, yeah, you may have
been receiving one hundreds of tips atthe time, but you should have looked
at every single one. Women werebeing murdered at like every few weeks.
Look, I'm not saying that,like it's one thousand percent the police's fault

(48:15):
that they never caught. Like,you know, they were receiving letters,
and they were receiving different things thatwere put pointing them in the wrong direction.
But at the same time, howmany times does someone have to pop
up for you to take it asa serious, serious indication, Yeah,
for you to take it as morethan just a little quinky dink. Yeah,

(48:37):
Trevor then gave police an in personstatement about his letter when he never
heard back from the police, sohe sent the letter in and then after
a little while he was like,I've never heard anything, and Peter still
hasn't been caught yet, so hegoes in to like give like an in
person statement, but once again policenever followed up on the statement. Imagine

(48:58):
being Trevor, You're you're sending thatletter, you don't hear anything, and
now you still have to go andbe friends with Peter, like you'd be
out for drinks like so sex workers. Huh, you should probably be stabbed,
right right. You can't stop beinghis friend because then that's suspicious,
and so it's like the fuck.In December nineteen eighty a specialist had a

(49:20):
look at the letters and the audiopolice received. He believed that the letters
were not written by the ripper,but believed that he could identify the author.
He urged the police to release theletters and the like the full letters
and the full tape to the public, as he believed it would reveal the
author, but unfortunately nothing came fromthis. On January second, nineteen eighty

(49:47):
one, Peter was out in Sheffieldon the hunt when he saw twenty four
year old Olivia Reavers. Olivia wasa sex worker and agreed to get in
Peter's care. Peter began talking withOlivia about his life and his wife.
Olivia was urging Peter that she justwanted to get the job over and done

(50:08):
with, like if she hasn't seenhim. She's like, can we just
do what we gotta do and thenI'll be on my merry way and you
can be on your merry way.Because she doesn't know he's about to kill
her. Yeah. This was whenpolice pulled up beside Peter. Peter tried

(50:29):
to tell police that Olivia was hisgirlfriend. However, she had been arrested
several times before for solicitation, sothey were like, she's not your girlfriend.
We know your girlfriend? Yeah,like hi, Olivia, how are
you still sex working? I see? And he's like, no, no,

(50:53):
no, she's my girlfriend. She'slike, oh, Brian, how
are you as kids? Did yourwife like that present you got her?
He's like yeah, thanks for theadvice, and Peter said like, she's
my girlfriend him with a wedding ringon. Oh god, yeah, oh

(51:17):
god, good times, good times. Peter was also driving a car with
the stolen redge, because let's notforget Peter's license has been suspended for drunk
driving. Oh yeah, yeah.The pair were quickly arrested. Before being
put in the back of the policecare Peter asks if he can go pee

(51:39):
behind a bush and the officer islike, sure, whatever, whatever,
So he does and then he comesback and he's brought to the station and
Peter was questioned for hours about thestolen redge and the solicitation. Sonia was

(51:59):
then in about the charges that hehas been arrested on, which is a
stolen car, dge and solicitation.So she's like, ah, hell's to
the he's out with a fucking sexworker. Yeah, And due to the
Ripper killings, anyone arrested in theYorkshire area for the solicitation had to be

(52:21):
questioned in regards to the case.So if you were just caught with a
sex worker, you were interrogated aboutthe ripper killings because they just had to
root like they just were like,can't take a chance. So the next
morning Peter was questioned on this andsome of the things he was saying,
we're starting to like concern the officers. He was talking about how he used

(52:45):
to own a white Cossair and howhe had good hours being a lurry driver.
Police began to remember the letter theyreceived, and when they looked into
his name, they saw that hewas a person of interest and had been
interviewed many times, and they werelike, wow, I wouldn't have seen

(53:07):
this one coming. Peter was ona first name basis with the police at
this stage. Though. Peter alsohad a rare blood type which had been
found at several crime scenes but wasnever made public, so nobody knew that
they had found blood, Like thepublic didn't know that there was blood found

(53:28):
at several of the crime scenes orwas it from his his seamen? And
no, there was one time hewas in like a junkyard and he cut
his hand on like a broken porcelainsink that was and like also left a
partial print in the blood as well. He is stupid. The officer who

(53:49):
arrested Peter was like this guy,Like what he's saying is weird, you
know, because he's like, oh, yeah, I used to drive a
white car that you used to lookfor. And then he's like I have
sweet hours being a lorry driver,Like I'm up and down the Yorkshire Roads
and they're like, wait just asecond, that's weird. And so the

(54:14):
police officer was like, he wentbehind a bush before we arrested him to
go pee. I let this mango behind a bush by himself before we
brought him into the station to searchhim. I'm getting a weird feeling about
the bush. So he's like,I'm just gonna go back and have a

(54:37):
quick snoopy snoop do do my jobbecause this guy is weird. And so
he goes and he investigates and it'snot long before the officer finds a hammer
and discarded in the area. What'sthe bush doing with those? Huh bush?

(54:59):
I'm gonna have to arrestue on plankthis bush right now, it's coming
with me. After a couple ofdays of being questioned, Peter just turned
around and said, I think you'releading up to the Yorkshire Ripper. What
gives you that impression? He wasasked. They were like, what about

(55:20):
the Yorkshire Ripper? And Peter leansback in his chair and he says that's
me. Oh no, fuck you, fuck you so much. Oh my
god, that's so annoying, thisfucking guy. Oh my god, just
like look listen, you've been questioningme for a couple of days. Now
you're on the build and the upand up to mention the Yorkshire Ripper,

(55:43):
he said, let me make iteasy for you. And they're like,
what about the Yorkshire us leading up? What about that? And he's like,
it's me no, no, sir, I mean yes, but like
also to be so like you're lookingat him like no, m It took

(56:10):
Peter twenty four hours to make afull confession. Peter never sent any letters
to police or the media, andit would not be until two thousand and
five that police learned who wrote thoseletters. A man by the name was
sorry. That made me think ofColleen Rooney, remember when she done that

(56:35):
thing? Who was it again?Another wag Rebecca Verardy? And I know
it's Rebecca Verdi because Rebecca Verdi coinedshe now owns the saying Wagatha Christie.

(57:00):
Why who's ever using wag at theChristie? Rebecca Verdi? Because that's so
when the trial was happening, everyonewas calling it wag you know, like
Agatha Christie. But like yeah,because it was all deed. Rebecca Verdi
do what she's been accused of,and so the media were like wage the

(57:22):
Christie and so she like patented it. Oh my god, that's embarrassing.
Oh but yeah, he's like it'sit's Rebecca Verdie. The name of the
man that wrote the letters was JohnHumble. He sent the audio as well.

(57:42):
He was arrested and he was sentencedto eight years in prison for derailing
the investigation and costing over one millionpounds in like investigating like in resource that
Peter wrote John a letter in prisontelling him that the last three victims were
John's fault. The woman John claimedto be the rippers first victim, which

(58:07):
was Joan Harrison, I don't thinkI mentioned her name. That was the
one that he was like my firstvictim, and it wasn't him. So
Peter like wrote him a note andwas like, I'm not gonna lie,
some of it is John's fault,like syn, but you derailed the investigations

(58:27):
so much so that they were lookingfor someone with a completely wrong accent.
They were following leads that they shouldnot have been following all because you were
bored. Yeah, pretty much.But the absolute neck of Peter to be
like those last three victims, they'reon EU bloods on your hands John.

(58:49):
No, Peter, you're just tryingto like guilt your like guilt free,
be guilt free, and pass iton to some of somebody else. Yeah.
He also was like, you tryto say that I killed Joan Harrison
when I did not. That wasnot me. I don't know who done
it, but I can't just tellyou that it was absolutely not me.
In two and eleven, DNA provedthat a convicted sex worker named Christopher Smith

(59:15):
was responsible for Joan's death. So, however, Christopher had died in two
thousand and eight, so Christopher wasanother sex worker had maybe fought with Joan.
Was Jonah sex worker? I'm actuallynot too sure it was that murder

(59:36):
that I mentioned earlier anyway, thatthe letter the letters were mentioning. In
one sense, it's great for thefamily because they know they know who actually
done it, but it's also sadbecause that person was already dead by the
time that they found out. Andso justice. Yeah. On Monday,
January fifth, nineteen eighty one,the news was released that the Yorkshire Ripper

(59:57):
had been arrested. Peter was chargedwith thirteen murders and seven attempted murders.
Peter pleaded guilty, but was claiminghe was deranged as God told him to
kill the sex workers. Peter,just stop it, just say you hate
women. To move on. Peter'sdefense team had a doctor talk to Peter

(01:00:17):
eleven times and he testified that Peterwas a paranoid schizophrenic. Peter's trial began
on May fourth, nineteen eighty one. The defense went hired on the mental
illness plea and had a second doctorconfirmed that Peter had schizophrenic tendencies. However,

(01:00:43):
the prosecution pointed out that it wasn'tuntil Peter hired a defense team that
he started to act a certain way, yeah, the prosecution. The prosecutor
also pointed out that the doctors hadprompted him to respond a certain way to
certain questions. Sonja, if youremember suffered schizophrenic tendencies when she had her

(01:01:07):
mental breakdown. Oh that's right,back in the early days, and Peter
had been her career. Yeah,so he would know what to do.
You would have seen, so heknew how to recreate those symptoms. The
trial lasted two weeks. The prosecutorclaimed, quote, he was a cold

(01:01:30):
blooded, calculated murderer who has madethis up because he wants to go to
the looney bin for ten years insteadof thirty years in prison. After six
hours of deliberation, Peter was foundguilty and saying. On May twenty second,
nineteen eighty one, Peter was sentencedto life in prison. Peter bounced

(01:01:54):
back and forth from Parkhurst Prison andhospitals for his schizophrenia. Sonia got a
separation from Peter in nineteen eighty nineand officially divorced him in nineteen ninety four.
Sonia was awarded the house. Well, it's not like he's going to
be using it. Peter was attackedmany times in prison from other inmates.

(01:02:21):
In nineteen ninety seven and inmates dabbedPeter in the left eye. Oh my
god. So now he knows whatit feels like. Yep. And at
age seventy four, Peter Sutcliffe diedon November thirteenth, twenty twenty from COVID

(01:02:42):
Bye bit jazz. Honestly, sothere you go. Trevor birds All got
his redemption. He tried so hardto be like listen to me. Yeah.
The fact that it then want topolice after I'm like, all right,
all right, you get away withit this time. Trevor but don't
let me catch you again. Yeah, the prosecution were very much like,

(01:03:02):
yeah, his wife suffered a schizophrenicattack, like you know, like she
had a full on mental Like heknows what he's doing, he knows what
to say and how to act,and his whole thing was God told me,
God told you jack shit, God'snot talking to you, my friend.

(01:03:24):
Definitely not you. To the womenthat survived Peter um, I think
it's heartbreaking that they had to betalked about in such a disgusting manner.
H And as well for the victimsthat didn't survive, Like, I think
it's so unfair to paint like JaneMcDonald as a quote unquote innocent victim when

(01:03:51):
they were all innocent victims. Yeah. Definitely watching like some I watched like
two documentaries on it, and likeone of them, one of the sons
of one of the women that Petermurdered, Like, he gets so upset

(01:04:11):
because he's just like, my motherwas so much more than a sex worker.
That's like to be to kind ofpair anybody down to their just their
job is ridiculous in the first place, but to do it just because they're
a sex worker has it's like evenmore, there's something more evil about it.

(01:04:35):
You know, they're really like helike bless his soul is like you
know, like she was an amazingmother, Like she'd done everything for us,
you know, like the job thatshe's not there for the love of
it, Like yeah, like he'slike the job that she was out there
doing was for us, Like itwasn't something that she chose to do,

(01:04:59):
it was something she had to do. And then the fact that it was
then twisted and turned against her,and when she was this loving, amazing
person, yeah, you know whenhe's like and that's all the media ever
knew or us And I believe itwas if I have this correct. I

(01:05:21):
didn't write it down, but Ibelieve it was like something like two eighteen
or twenty nineteen, the like YorkshirePolice released like an official apology for how
police, because it wasn't just themedia, it was police as well,
where very much of the oh he'sonly killing sex work sex workers, like

(01:05:45):
we'll catch him when we get him. And it wasn't until that he actually
started killing just women, you knowwhat I mean. Yes, but then
they were like, oh shit,we better catch him, and they were
getting pressure to catch him for themurder of Jane. Yeah, and so
like the Yorkshire Police were like,yeah, no, like it should have

(01:06:09):
been a like it shouldn't have beena case of it was like uns only
sex workers. No, of courseit never should have been. But but
to be perfectly apologized, I'm gladthey apologize. Put to be perfectly honest,
I think it's still very much athing, like it's still very much
a there sex workers who are askingfor it. No, no, it's

(01:06:30):
like they are. They haven't onlyfans. So they deserved for their nuts
to be leaked around. They deserveto be here. They deserved abuse,
And it's like no, no,no, nobody does. Nobody deserves that.
Let's all treat each other just likefucking human beings. That would be
fantastic. Actually, at the endof the day, my body's my body,
Your body is your body. WhatI choose to do with mine is

(01:06:55):
none of yours, and what youchoose to do with yours is none of
mine. Yep. Anyway, thatwas a nice way to wrap up the
three episodes. I'm very glad tobe done with him. And it is
an interesting case like it's it's interestingon how the media like it's interesting to
me to look at how the mediaand how the police like handled it,

(01:07:18):
you know, like it's to melike that's like, oh my god,
what the hell. And then I'mlike I need to know more. Yeah,
kind of go down the rabbit hole. Yeah. So, if you
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