Adult Video Star London River

With a body and look that remind people of Pamela Anderson, London River is rapidly becoming an elite performer in the world of adult entertainment. She talks to Glenn about being a teacher in Costa Rica before entering the industry, how she enjoys being a masochist, and what guys need to know to date her! Follow London on twitter - @LondonCRiver

Episode Transcript

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Hi everyone, and welcome to anotherepisode of Mature Audiences Mayhem. My name
is Glen King. It is mygreat honor to bring you this podcast where
we talk about the things the otherpodcast either cannot or will not or fail
to talk about. That is,things that are for mature audiences only.
Today, ay, very very specialguests. We have somebody who has now

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done for scenes for me and mygreat productions. She is an up and
coming superstar in the porn, theadult film industry. She is stacked.
Her body will blow you away.She's stunningly beautiful. She is like you
know what, we used to havea lot of them porn and don't quite
have any more bombshells. She's thegreat London River. I feel like I

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feel like that's a lot to liveup too, all right, but it's
all true, all true. You'rean up and coming superstar in the business.
I know you are somebody who doesn'tlike to brag, but you definitely
or are popping up on a lotof radars these days. So guys,
we're on a Zoom call today.This is our first ever Zoom podcast.

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So she I'll describe to you whatshe's wearing. She is um looks like
something. It looks like a dresstop actually, but yeah, it's just
like a It's just like a topof pants. Okay, can I see
the pants. They're really loose.They're like for I don't know, they're

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like for for the beach. Ithink I'm supposed to wear a bathing suit
underneath them, but instead I justwear them around like normal pants. Yeah,
she's basically wearing a sexy top ofthe boots, hanging out with a
trash bag's wearing a tray. It'sgreat. You could pull off the look
very well. Thank you. Allright, let's get right into it.

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I think one of the most interestingthings about you is your Twitter. A
lot of great stuff on there.Was looking through there earlier today. The
first thing I want to ask youabout, having glanced through here is just
that I've seen you talking in thepast about feeling awkward. You don't perceive

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yourself as a as a Pamela Andersonbombshell. You perceive yourself in a different
way. Can you talk about that? Do you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I mean I'm really shy, and so I'm kind of always questioning
myself, Like I mean, likebasically all the time. So even when

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I show up for work, likethere's this like level of anxiety when I'm
going to be working with people thatI don't know, because I'm like,
I'm going to go in there,I'm gonna say something fucking weird and it's
yeah, and I spend a lotof time just kind of like re examining
conversations I've already had and regretting everything. Basically, is this something that being

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an adult films has changed for you? Has it changed your self opinion in
that area? Not as much,but probably not. I think that's just
how I feel. Not really,well, it's for me. It's been

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hard to I'm not friends with thatmany performers, and I feel like I
haven't really I don't have a lotin common, especially with girls. Like
I have male friends, but notas many girlfriends, which sort of sucks.
But I almost feel in that waythat like I'm kind of not one
of the cool kids. So yeah, that's how I feel, like of

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that and stuff, Well, it'slike this dork. I mean, I
don't I'm not. I don't wantto get too far into psychology here,
but basically you're familiar with the conceptof ID and super ego. Yeah,
so you know, it is whateverybody's born with. That's the core that
everyone has, that is their selfesteem, and then super ego is the

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variable part that goes up and downbased upon compliments. And ninety eight percent
of all adult film stars have atiny little ID and then a big super
ego. So if somebody says tothem you look beautiful today, then they
they're super ego expands and they feellike I am beautiful. If then somebody

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says or does it, either saysto them you don't look beautiful or doesn't
tell them they look beautiful, theyshrink down to their ID and then they
start crying, and you know,then you see them on Twitter saying everyone
thinks I'm ugly, but you seemto be the one of the rare few
that basically has the core it that'spretty big and a super ego that doesn't

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change that much. So you basicallyfeel the same about yourself all the time.
Basically. I mean sometimes when somebodysays something really shitty, it'll hit
me for a second, but likeit doesn't stick very well, I suppose,
like so, because because you know, especially with Instagram or whatever,

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there's always somebody that's like, ohmy god, she's so fucking ugly,
and I'm like oh, and thenI'm like, ah, fucking people keep
paying me to be attractive. Soso as long as i'm as long as
I'm fooling all these directors, itdoesn't really matter what you think. I
mean, I don't think it's amatter of fooling anybody. No, no,

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But like it's just like it's justwhen people because people think that their
opinion is fact, so they're like, why is this girl working? She's
so unattractive? And I'm like,that's kind of subjective. So I suppose
that's why do you get a lotof attacks. I mean, I think
all adult film stars just get patrollsconstantly. Oh yeah, yeah. But

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you know, I think that thewhat we have a hard time doing is,
you know, you see one commentthat sucks a lot and that hurts
your feelings. But I think whata lot of people do is they take
in that one stupid comment and thenignore this long list of like a hundred

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people that are just adore you andso and so it's just I don't like,
that's kind of part of why Ijust can't. I don't let comments
stick to me is that much reallyeither way? I'm just kind of you
know, Conan Bryan talks about thisa lot on his podcast. We're not

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alone people in all industries, Comedians, especially if there's a thousand people in
the crowd and nine ninety nine onthem are laughing and one guy is sitting
there with his arms folded and agrumpy look on his face. They sit
there wondering why that grumpy guy hatesthem, and you know, they're not

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even taking into account that grumpy guyprobably just got you know, yelled at
at work or something like that,and that's who's going to fight with his
girlfriend. Something's going on that hasnothing to do with you. Yeah,
but at least they can see thathe's a person. In our industry,
we get attacked by eggs basically allthe time. These people on Twitter,

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who's you know, John three,C five, who seven? Who's just
an egg who's got nine followers?And somehow we let it get to us.
So if you're a fan who's listeningto the show, please do keep
in mind that being a troll mightbe fun to get a porn start to

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interact with you, but you're hurtingthem in a lot of cases, although
not in the case of London.Here London has a strong I just think
here, I just feel bad forthem, honestly, I mean, I
mean get it, especially when it'speople, because every once in a while
click on it and be like,you follow me, like you didn't even

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just happen upon my tweet to callme ugly. You follow me to call
me ugly like that is some smalldick energy, like and it's just like,
how how shitty is your life?Yeah? I end up feeling kind
of bad for people because I assumewhen they're doing that that there's like something

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really missing that because because who hastime to follow people they don't like and
control them? Well, somebody that'ssomebody that's really unhappy. I would say,
do you you keep track of yourunfollows? Yeah, okay, because

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I'll admit I do. I look, but there's a reason behind it.
I look every day and I seewho unfollowed me that I'm following me,
that that I'm following because I don'twant to ask somebody to be in my
videos. If they looked at myfeed at one point and said, I
freaking hate this guy and I don'twant to see his stupid femdom videos on

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my timeline anymore, so I'll usuallyunfollow somebody as a result. So,
um, well, I want toget into your history, but I guess
first I want to ask you aboutliving in COVID world. It's kind of
the subject that's on everybody's mind thesedays. Again, looking at your tweets,
you don't seem to have a politicalside. You're just more angry at

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the governments. Who who doesn't seemto have a plan. I'm just angry
at the government all the time.But yeah, I mean, I'm angry
at the government for not working togetherand right now, and you know,
I'm I'm not a fan of ourpresident, but I feel like at this
point, you know, we've gotlike, like even with a hydroxy chloroquine

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situation. Now there's a doctor that'slike, I've been treating everyone with this
and they're they're living. And thenthere's all these people that are like,
well, we need to study itmore. But actually the study they were
doing they discontinued and now they're notsure if they're going to continue it again.
And part of me is like,are we going to not take a

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closer look at this drug? Becauseour idiot president jumped the gun and said
something about it early. And ifthat's the case, then now you're politicized
of medication. And it's like,I don't love that either, and I
just feel like I feel like we'vewe've lost all reason because at this point,
I think, even if this drugcould potentially save lives, people are

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putting the brakes on it because theydon't like the president and he already said
a bunch of stuff about this medicine. And yeah, that's where I hate
the government, just because I don'tthink that they're out to take care of
us. I think that they're they'rejust kind of creating politics where there shouldn't
be politics. You know, whatI read on that was that the FDA

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studied hydroxy chloroquin and decided that itwasn't really having any effect at all in
the in those cases that basically COVIDhas a very high recovery rates in the
first place, and it's it's arelatively quick cycle. So they were giving
it to these people, and youknow, because they're not going to give

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it to somebody on day one,they're going to give it to them after
they developed severe symptoms. They giveit to these people and then the symptom
clear up, and they would havecleared up on their own, because when
they're doing the hydroxy chloroquine tests,you got one group that has a placebo
and one group that doesn't, youknow, that has the real hydroxy chloroquin.
They were saying that basically the resultswere the same for both groups.

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Well yeah, but they didn't finishthey didn't finish the actual research. Like
so it's like, you're you havethis this theory that but you didn't actually
finish studying your hypothesis. They cutit short because then they decided that it
was dangerous and now they're questioning whetheror not the research that said that it

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was dangerous was even valid. Andso it's just like, yeah, but
I also don't think I just don'tthink that either political party has our best
interests at heart when it comes tofixing mass Well yeah, see that's the
part that I think we both agreeon whether hydroxy chloroquin or other therapeutics that

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they're working with turns out to bethe best solution. Clearly, if the
and this is why I don't belongto a political party. The left is
always pushing against the right, andthe right is always pushing against the left,
and it's like, who's pushing onbehalf of us? Like, I
just don't tend to, you know. I think everything that's in the middle

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is relatively really accurate, and whateveris far the left and far to the
right, it's just it's just anongoing culture war. And I think you're
right. Hydroxychloroquinn got dragged into theculture. Yeah, and like I don't
know if the drug works or not, but that's like sort of beyond,
like beside the point for me.It's it's I feel like it's more just

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like we're just shooting things down basedon which which political party said it.
And it's like and the rest ofAmerica sort of caught him between like two
roosters in the middle of a cockfight, and neither of them they're just
they're worried about killing each other.It has nothing to do with us.

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And so every issue, whether it'shealthcare, the economy, the protests that
are going on, you've got bothsides that are so polarized that they're assuming
there's nothing in the middle that makessense, right, and then we get
we get screwed as a result here. And I think that we're gonna have

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a problem with vaccines too, becauseyou know, well, first off,
are you what are your what's yourposition on vaccines? Are you a vaccine
anti vaxer or are you a provaxer? I get, I get my
vaccine stuff. But the issue withvaccines is going to be so fascinating because

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people people are worried that there's goingto be microchips put in them, where
people are worried that it's going tocause sterilization or this or that thing or
another end. It's just like,yeah, I think that the vaccine is
going to be this whole other issue. Yeah, I don't you know what,
I'm fine micro chip me, youknow, sterilized me. In fact,

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I would really like it sterilized.I'm trying to do a vasectomy one
time, but I got It's notthat I was scared. I just didn't
like the doctor at all, andI decided I need to do that again.
But but I think the problem withvaccines, like somebody just told me
yesterday, because while I'm not gettinga vaccine because you know, think of
all the times I've gotten the flufrom the flu vaccine. You know,

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it's like, well, it's notprobably not the case. Most most likely,
the flu vaccine only works sixty percentat the time. If you take
the flu vaccine and you get theflu, it doesn't mean that the flu
vaccine gave you the flu. Morelikely, it just means it didn't work.
The flu is a virus that Imean, or a set of viruses

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that really adapt like fast, likethat would not adapt with the word mutate.
It mutates and once it mutates andthe vaccine becomes less effective. That's
why we have it to be oneevery year. And they're trying when they
make those they're trying to predict whatthe flu is going to be like that
season. But you're I mean,their predictions can be wrong because of how

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it mutates. So and coronavirus isgoing to mutate too. So one magical
vaccine that saves the world by umNovember, I don't think it's gonna happen,
or they're just going to have toadd like coronavirus to like to the
to the vaccine schedule. So wejust do it every year like the flu

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or some of us do. Yeah, I do the flu vaccine. I
won't go to AVN without a fluvaccine. I some years I do in
some years, I don't, butI also take a million other precautions.
I've got a whole elderberry juice tumericthing I drink every day, and then

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a a defense booster that I buyevery year. But AVN is stuff.
I'm kind of glad we're I don'tthink we're gonna have an AVN convention next
year, No, I don't think. I mean, they just announced that
CES is canceled for next year,so I can't imagine us having AVN after
they canceled CS. But who knowswhat things will be like. Well,

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They were working on it. Uhno, but I do. I do
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from the bottom. Yes, that'swhat I was going to ask you,
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specific instructions of how she wants thepicture to be taken. Yeah, I
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get your you know, you wantthe whole thing, like from the top
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know, the entire the dick andthe whole hub. That's that's the best
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yeah, I mean unless you havesome kind of talk shaming like fetish
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London River and her illustrious career.What did you do before you got into

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adult films? Um, I was. I was a teacher for a while,
for like five years I lived.I lived in Costa Rica, and
I was teaching English as a secondlanguage, but I was also teaching um
uh, math and science classes butin English, so that kids got more

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used to using English all the timefor certain subjects and so um yeah,
it was all right, let's prettyshattering as a film stars go. First
off, how did you end upin Costa Rica? When I was in
college, I had done a volunteerproject in multiple countries in Latin America,

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but I really fell in love withCosta Rica, so I ended up deciding
that I wanted to live there.I guess that's of the most beautiful places
in the world, right, Yeah, and it's it's arguably, I mean,
it's one of the most biodiverse placesin the world as well, so
it's it's an amazing place. Elaborateplease, what do you mean by biodiverse?

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Well, it's a rainforest area,and rainforests are kind of like if
you think of like what would bea hot bed for evolution. That's kind
of how rainforests are. Everything isbasically in a race to catch up with
everything else all the time, soyou end up with just this massive diversity

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and plant and animal life and andfungus everything like. And so that's kind
of what the thing biodiversity is ishow many different kinds of life forms are
all living in one place. Andif you're in like rainforest areas, you
can actually look at like one squarefoot of anything, like you can find

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an entire an entire biological community justliving in one foot on a log.
And so it's in that way forme because I was doing a conservation project
that was really amazing to me.This sounds amazing, It sounds like an
amazing way to live. I assumethat you have last Manuel, see,

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so are you your fluent not asmuch anymore, because I've been back in
the United States for several years now, and it's weird how much you you
lose it. I would assume thatif I went back, I would pick
it up, like riding a bikeagain. But but at the moment,

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it's like, not not great,and I actually have a real like we
have some Spanish speaking performers, butthey're from Spain. Yeah, and I
actually have a fairly difficult time understandingthem because the accent is so so incredibly
different and so so sometimes like Ican understand what people are saying. I've

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gotten slower and responding than I usedto be, and that sucks. But
it must be speaking of Luna Starr, whom we don't really understand your English
either, but um, we loveEarth to death or like like Ramone also
he's a he's like a. Imean, he's from Spain, and when

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I hear him talking to somebody else, I'm like, ash shit, Like
I, yeah, I lasted thatmuch. But then I'll watch Spanish language
television, I'm like ash shit,I'm good. I just I'm just not
from Spain. Okay, all right, So how did you go from um,
from being a teacher in Costa Ricato do an adult films? I

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you know, it's kind of amystery to me too. I like,
and when I was in college,I was dancing, and when I moved
to Costa Rica, I would comeback to the United States when there were
school breaks and dance because there wasalways really long school breaks in the winter

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and while it sucks to be inplaces like Chicago in December January, it's
actually like the best time to dancebecause people don't have anything else going on,
so they're like, I'll go insideand see girls naked because they're not
getting naked on the beach anywhere.And so I had been dancing and I

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kind of wound up in porn sortof in the bdsum route, but that's
because I wanted to try those things. And then a couple of years after
being just like a bondage performer,I ended up getting into like more I
don't know, Like I hate theword vanilla because I feel like the stuff
I do for some companies is it'snot bonded, but it's not panilla but

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like more normal like boy girl sex, porn um. When I wanted to
charge more for lap dances when Iwould dance on the weekends, that was
that's why I ended up doing it. I was like, I would like,
I would like it to be veryexpensive to sit on your lap.
Yeah. No, And that's alot of girls end up doing that.

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I mean, these days, especially, they can make a lot of money
doing stripping and only fans or atleast they could before them, you know,
before the pandemic. Now I don'tknow what a stripper does, but
uh, but then you know alot of them. Yeah, so they
do the only fans. And thenand then people say to them, why
would you need to do porn whenyou've you know, you're doing great and

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only fans And the answer is becauseit makes your name much bigger doing porn.
So we still, we're still goingto be in business. Guys,
don't worry about us. Porn producerswill be fine. Um, so did
you crack the code here? Though? For all of the girls out there
who listened to the show who aredancers and are going through college and trying
to figure out how you get hiredafter you get out of college with this

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background of being a dancer, maybethe answer is to go overseas and just
spend some time overseas and then we'llget a job overseas. Applied with the
job boards and look for stuff thatyou know are well and nobody gives a
shit, like like you go tocoast because nobody's going to care that you

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are a dancer. In college.They they actually just for in my case,
they they just wanted teachers and andespecially if you have a you know,
a Midwestern accent man, you're goldif you want to if you want
to finish college and get certified toteach English as a second language, you

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can travel anywhere. So that thereit is kids. When I say kids,
I mean eighteen year olds who listenedto the podcasts, who are trying
to figure out what to do inlife, learn a second language, and
make you know, making only fanswhile you're in college so that you can
pay for your college, and thenyou can go work overseas for a few

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years, and then you can decidewhether you want to be full time in
the porn industry or full time inthe teaching industry or whatever that you want
to do. So all right,so you started in bondage, that's exciting.
What was your first set like then? Um, it was a rope
bondage scene and and yeah, Iwas like put it because I'm kind of

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I'm really flexible, so I kindof got put in like some contorted positions
and tied up in bondage. Andthen I at the time, since I
wasn't doing any porn or performing Ican be I was I was able to
be bruised and they just they paidme really well, but they boy like

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I had. I had like whipstripes every Yeah, it was it was
it was in a sexy way.It was fun. Did you have an
agent yet at this point. No. I had just applied to work for
their site. I was like,I really want to drive bondage and they
hired me Kink. No, itwas, um, it was insects.

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But Kink does the same thing,like they take girls that I've never done
bondage really frequently as well. Soif, um, if anyone has interest
in doing that, it's much saferthan you know, meeting some guy in
his basement who says he might beable to tie you up. Okay,
So yeah, you got on Insectsand then they they bruised you pretty good

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on your first shoe. But youliked it, apparently because you went back
for more. Yeah. I hada lot of fun. It was um,
it was a really good time.Yeah. So for two years,
you say you just did bondage stuff. Mhm, but you were working just
Insects or you started I was workingfor I was working for Kink as well,

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and then I worked for a sitecalled pain Toy a couple of times,
which is just vicious. It's justit's brutal um in a fun way.
You know, Well you did youlike what? Yeah, well my
limits have changed. Um. Fora while, I was I was doing

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just over the top insane, likemasochistic craziness. The stunt, just stunt
after stunt, and I this isa terrible advertisement for myself. Was but
like I but maybe not. It'slike like, once I found that I
could do these things and that,you know, I enjoyed that aspect of

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it, but I pulled back significantlyon how much I'm willing to do so.
So I still love bondage and Istill loved spanking and shit like that.
But I'm just kind of like,I don't you know, I don't
need to have my mouth soon andshut today because I did that once.
Okay, let's hear that story.Who sewed your mouth? Should? That

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was with insects, um and andit was for a live live show.
We did a twenty four hour liveshow at my house when I when we
were there, and so they setup like everything at my house, including
or streaming and everything like that,and then um, and then I was

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just in bondage. Different kinds ofbondage for twenty four hours and then you
know, you would there'd be likean hour break where I would you know,
just be in some easy bondage andhave a snack or whatever, and
then we would go back into anotherintense uh position. And that was that
was the scene where my mouth wasso shut? And how do you one?

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How does one so a mouth shutusing medical suitures? I'm real.
Yeah, so somebody did this toyou, like a guy? That was
your message? Yeah, no,yeah, a friend. I don't I've
never been much of a sub I'mkind of a I'm just a masochist.

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But like when I got into this, I thought that it had to be
like a domination submission thing, butI'm actually more my personality is more dominant.
Yeah, but I'm all, butI'm a masochist. And so so
everything that I did that for thatshoot or basically the most because I've also
had like suitures put in on mymy labia, and I've had like fucking

(33:54):
staples crap staple to me and stufflike that, and but like that stuff
is usually my idea and where I'mlike, I'm like, hey, you
guys, wouldn't it be neat ifwe did this and then yeah, And
even when I work for kink orwhatever for sex and submission or those kinds

(34:15):
of scenes, I'll walk on tosit set and the viewer sees a really
submissive person, but everyone, youknow, when the camera's not rolling,
is watching me be like, Ifeel like we should use this cane today
and I would like you to dothis and I'm not feeling the be is

(34:37):
clamped, but let's use these onesand I top from the bottom like nobody's
business because you're a masochist and nota sub right. So you get turned
on though by the pain or bytrying all new things. What I think
I get turned on by. Um, I get turned on more by like

(35:00):
pushing myself, but there's certain kindsof pain that turned me on, Like
actual caning is a turn on forme, and whatever if the person that's
doing it is doing it well.Um. But I think the biggest turn
on or excitement, because sometimes I'mnot turned on. Sometimes we'll start something

(35:21):
and I'm like, oh man,I don't know if I like this,
but like the thing, the biggestthing is, um, yeah, to
just sort of see where my limitsare. Like I think I think it's
interesting sometimes watching pro wrestling, theextreme shows where a guy will take a
bag of thumb tax and empty itout and then somebody inevitably gets spotty slammed

(35:46):
onto the thumbtax and or glass orwhatever. These guys do crazy shit,
and I wonder they must get turnedon in some way, you know,
like have this kind of joice.Yeah, there's some kind of feeling of
fulfillment that I think comes from beingable to do something that honestly you shouldn't

(36:10):
do. I feel like my bondagecareer has basically been been jackass with nudity,
you know, and then we've alsoshut these guys a couple of guys
who can't have a heart on untilthey get kicked in the balls a few
times, and then it's it's soit's like now. For me, I

(36:35):
did martial arts for ten years andnever like I had my jockstrap on my
cup protecting me at all times.And even with that, whenever I got
kicked in the nuts, I hatedit so badly. But these guys really
love getting kicked in the balls.And sometimes I've asked them, well,
what is it. Is it thepain that you like or is it the

(36:57):
feeling of helplessness seeing a beautiful girljust rear back and kicking the balls with
no concern for your safety and wellbeing, Like she just thinks of you
as just a worthless piece of shitthat's worth kicking in the balls. And
I think in a lot of cases, that's what these guys are into.
It's like a feeling of being degraded. Yeah, I don't actually do ball

(37:20):
busting now. I like, I'vedone two ball busting scenes and realize that
that is not like because because thereis an element of danger, you can
get a torsion and then that that'san emergency room visit, which is no
fun. Yes, yeah, andit would that would make me cry if

(37:40):
I actually injured someone. And soyeah, I've sort of drawn the line
as a top where I'm like,I'll do lots of things, but I'm
not going to do ballbusting. I'mwith you. I don't So I'm not
comfortable as a producer with what happenswhen you do it. I mean,
you know, the only reason I'veever done it in my scenes is because

(38:00):
the male talent really wanted it andneeded it to be part of this.
So you did bondage for two yearsand then you decided to go start doing
some mainstream type stuff for vanilla stuffas you want to call it. Did
you is that when you hooked upwith at MLA or was that your second
agent? No, that ATMLA wasmy first agent. But I picked them

(38:21):
because I had been um for Insects. I actually worked for them as a
production manager, so I was bookingeverybody, and at MLA was the agency
I liked working with from that endthe most. And I was like,
if I like working with them themost from that end, then other people

(38:45):
do too, which means that they'reprobably like keeping girls busy. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, they're They're greatpeople. You know, I'm sure you
know Danny and Mark real Wells youragency. You know, we've had Mark
Scheckter on the podcast cast, andhe is I call him like the Lee
Steinberg of porn, you know,the most ethical agent that we have in

(39:06):
the business. Yeah, yeah,he really is. And I you know,
I spend a lot of time talkingto Mark these days about COVID and
how we can make our sets safeand how we can get through this in
a situation where inevitably they're going tobe somebody who manages to get on a
set with COVID and then you knowyou want to minimize the damage at that

(39:29):
point. But okay, so yousigned on with at MLA and then what
was the first what were your firstscenes like that you actually did hardcore sex?
And my first scene that I dida hardcore sex and was it wasn't
even just a boy girl scene.It was like two me and like me

(39:53):
and one other girl and two guysand anal. So so it was like
like it was which for me wasweird. I was just like, okay,
so I guess I'm just gonna diveon in. Um. But that
was that, yeah, and thenand then after that, my next scene
after that was like a normal boygirl day. Um. But yeah,

(40:19):
it was you at the time,maybe say to Danny or market, hey,
maybe I should do like a straighton one on one scene first before
we do any anal or multiple peoplescenes. Well I had already done like
anal with bondage and stuff like that, so I just never really I didn't

(40:39):
really I don't know, like thatdidn't bother me. Um No, I
didn't, Like it was just kindof I just like I got the booking
information and the rate was was reallynice. So I was like, I'll
show up for that whatever, We'llsee how it goes. What do you

(41:02):
like in a scene you Are youhappier when they say it's anal day or
do you would you rather do regularvaginal sex? I love anal scenes,
um, because I feel like they'rethey're you know, the regular vaginal sex
scenes are fun and stuff, butthey tend to be a little bit softer,

(41:23):
and I feel like when I'm doinglike these these donzo scenes so which
often often have anal, but whenI'm doing these scenes, it's almost kind
of it goes back to that,like where I can sort of push my
limits a little bit as long asthe male performers okay, because I've had

(41:45):
moments where the guy is like,I'm not into how much of this is
happening, and I'm like, oh, sorry about that. I'll try to
show class. But yeah, Ithink that they're just a little bit more
in my wheelhouse. Have you beento Europe where basically the whole scene is

(42:06):
anal and they I mean, Ithink they sometimes forget girls have vaginas in
Europe. No, I haven't beento Europe. There was a producer there
that tried to book me and Ikind of declined because because I work quite

(42:29):
a bit here, I've always stayedpretty busy, and so it's not really
worth it for the amount of moneythey pay. They don't pay more,
and then I have to get onan airplane and go to Europe and deal
with time changes and stuff. SoI'm like, if I'm going to go
to Europe, I'd like to goon vacation as opposed to going for work
and getting fucked in the ass forseven days straight. You know. Yeah.

(42:52):
Funny thing about European porn. Twothings that make it distinct or number
one, that they love multiple peoplescenes and anal. But the second thing
that's interesting is that years ago theperformers said, we want to be paid
residuals, and the producers said whatsure, and then they dropped their rates,

(43:13):
said Okay, instead of paying youthis rate for sex or for anal
sex, we're gonna pay you halfthe rate or seventy five percent of the
rate and then give you residuals paymentsthat you know, continue on the back
end. And then the performers neverended up getting their residuals. Now there
are no residuals, but the ratesare still lower. I say that as

(43:34):
a warning to all of you performersout there who constantly say, well,
you know it's unfair that Bangros shootsme and doesn't give me residuals. You
know, you won't end up gettingyour residuals. You'll just end up.
It's not like SAG, where youhave an organized industry, and SAG is
around forever. Companies in the pornindustry come and go and it's just too

(43:55):
tough to try, and porn starscome and go. You're not gonna end
up getting your residuals. You're justgonna end up getting paid less. You
get your residuals from only fans,right, well, yeah, that's about
like I almost use at this pointbecause I make enough money on on only
Fans and sex Panther and stuff.It's almost like I feel like when I

(44:17):
show up for a paid scene,it's kind of like I'm getting free advertising
for that site's fans because now they'regoing to come and find me and they're
gonna look me up, and sothere's more people that my content is available
to as opposed to you know,so you're getting paid for that day.
But it's also important because because Imean, it's free advertising. Why would

(44:42):
you why would you say no?Yeah, yeah, but you you can,
you know, performers, you canget residuals. Just make your own
content. Take the same thing you'reputting on only fans and put it on
clips or sale mini VIDs and Iwant clips. You can even use my
ties if you want these days tosubmit it to all of them at once,

(45:05):
you know, although there's problems withthat because each one has different settings,
and yeah, like that it's almostdifferent case because only fans, I
like has run so much different thanlike a clip store. But yeah,
but the point is the same contentcan go on all those places, and
then you can keep making money tenyears after you got out of the business,

(45:29):
and it's great, you know.I mean, I have video clips
that I still make money off ofthat were shot in two thousand and four
that you know, every once ina while, my phone beeps with another
commission on something I shot twenty yearsago. So there you go. Performers,
you want to you want to buildup those those residuals. But that's

(45:50):
how you do it. Don't tryto get it from the porn companies.
So let's see how we do iton time here. Well, a couple
more porn questions. I don't wantto ask you about your personal life.
Okay, so name names, whatdo you what performers are you? Do
you have? You liked working witha lot? You mentioned Ramone earlier.

(46:12):
I like working with Ramone. Iwork with him a lot, So every
time I see him on a callsheet, I'm like, ah, it's
like going and hanging out with youknow, friends. I'm like, oh,
I get to work with Ramone.Um, we get we get put
together a lot. Um and Manuel, But I feel like every girl is
like Manuel. I feel like that'slike the easiest answer. Most people like

(46:36):
working with him. Um, itkind of depends on the type of scene
I'm doing. I suppose, Um, like Princes is maybe one of my
favorite, but he's my favorite fora lot of reasons, Like I love
performing with him, but he's alsojust like been incredibly supportive all the time,

(46:57):
Like he's just a great friend.UM. A lot of controversy lately
about ir rates. Did you didyou charge an ir rate a higher rate
to ward? I didn't even knowthat was a thing when I started,
Like nobody nobody, no, andI would enough. But I'm like but

(47:19):
that was always like that blew mymind when I heard about that, that
that girls were charging a ton forir or like their first I R was
a thing and I'm like the dick, there's no eyes in your pussy,
Like the dick feels the same nomatter how much melanin, isn't it.

(47:43):
Yeah, So it's like, Idon't understand why why that was ever a
thing. It's bizarre to me,it is I and I called a couple
of different agents, um, youknow, as we were all taking in
all the information of the Black LivesMatter protests and trying to understand, hey,
what are they saying and are theylegit? Like and it was and

(48:06):
I think we all listened, especiallyto the African American performers who were speaking
out, and said, huh,they're making a lot of sense here.
And I asked a couple of agents. It's like, well, if you
let a performer set her rates basedupon the acts that are performed, or
the location, how far she hasto drive, or you know whatever,

(48:27):
that makes sense. But if youlet her set her rate based upon the
race of the co worker, isn'tthat the very definition of racism? And
yeah, the agents I spoke tosaid, yes, you're right, and
you know they would say to me, but you gotta understand, my job
is to convey offers from producers tothe performer and then if the performer can

(48:52):
say to me yes, no,or I will do it, but I
would like X rate instead of whatthey're offering, and then you have a
negoti so um. And he said, but still those agents I spoke to
and said, given all of that, we're not going to allow interracial rates
anymore. It was something that shouldn'thave happened in the first place, and

(49:13):
so we're putting it a stop too. I think that's good for our industry.
Yeah, I mean I could seeit if there's there's several things I
could see to like that would causeyou to raise your rate. Um.
But there was a girl I wastalking to you a while back and she's
like, well, you know,the black men in the industry tend to
have bigger dicks, And I'm like, okay, but I know some.

(49:35):
So there's some white guys in thisbusiness that that are I mean, they're
they're they're wandering around with like,you know, an extra leg basically,
So if you're gonna say that,then you need to then you need to
make that just have a big dickrate. Yeah, you're like, you're
like if you're if your dick ishuge, I would like it. Like

(49:55):
it's going to take more work forme to put that in my ass,
So whatever, I get that.But um, but the race thing is
is really that's that's bothersong. ButI didn't I didn't know it was a
thing when I started porn. It'snot something that would have crossed my mind.
Be Okay, if I was anagent and the girl said to me,

(50:16):
well, listen, I'm four footeleven and ninety two pounds, I
have a surcharge when somebody wants toshoot a scene with me and somebody with
three legs basically, and I'd belike, okay, that makes a lot
of sense. Then we'll let theagents know there should be a category for
that, and yeah, yeah,there really should be. Like this person

(50:37):
has a giant pecker. It justtakes it's just more prep time. And
a lot of the agency websites,you click and it'll say this girl,
or you can click on a thingin the top to sort the performers so
you can, like there'll be ananal button and it'll eliminate all of the
performers from the list. They'll filterout the ones that don't do anal m.

(51:00):
So then you should have another littlebox to check for girls with a
big dick surcharge or something like that, a big dick rate, gargantuan dick
rate or something like that. Right, And I think that would be totally
fair. Like if you're if you'reyeah, because it's it's a lot,
it's a lot more. It's alot harder on your body to do those

(51:22):
sometimes. Fair enough, Let's throwout some personal things about you now,
For all the guys who are listeningto the podcast, we're saying to ourselves,
I'm in love with London. Iknow that I am the perfect guy
for her, and I just needto know about her personal life. Like
your passions. I know one ofthem is hiking. M Yeah, I

(51:47):
hike a lot. Yes you Howdid you get started with hiking? Must
have been in Costa Rica, right, Uh? Well, I mean it
was before then. There's actually therewere a lot of places even in Nebraska
to go out hiking. I justlike to be outside all the time.
Yeah, I'm not an indoors person, like basically even even after this,

(52:10):
I'll probably go back outside because Ihave you, I have to have a
reason to be inside, to beinside. Um. But so and then
in Costa Rica, I just hikedall the time, and and I didn't
have a car, so I waswalking everywhere anyway. Um, and then
I've been I've been rock climbing.I started doing that in Costa Rica and

(52:34):
then stopped when I came back tothe States. Within with COVID, the
only things you can do are outdoors, so I decided to take that back
up again. Do you have adog? Do you take hiking with you?
She? I have. I havetwo dogs. They used to come
biking with me, but they're bothold at this point, so they can

(52:57):
only do like short short burst oflike short trails and that's it because one
is going to be she'll be sixteenin November, and the other is ten
years old. And you know,and I know the feeling. My dog
is twelve and she really can't evengo. I'm trying to take her a

(53:19):
half mile a night a flat ground, and she's struggling to even do that
these days. Yeah, I likehikes too, I mean I wish we
used to go on such long wonderfulhikes. Yeah, I mean, I
my dogs. It's a border Colliemix and a Collie mix. They have
so much They had so much energyin their youth, but but they just

(53:42):
can't keep up now and they getyou know, arthritis, and it's just
random crap. You can see themstarting to hurt, and yeah, what
else do you like to do?I think you're interesting. A friend of
mine and we're not going to namenames here took you on a laundromat date.
I heard. No, there wasn'ta Launder Matt date. That was

(54:04):
a that was a joke. Itwas I think discussed that it would be
a Launder Matt date. But itwas actually just a drink drinks like normal
people stuff drinks and talking and Idon't know, I think there was food
involved. I don't remember there was. I know there was vodka. Yeah,
yeah, I've been drinking with thatperson. A lot of vodka is

(54:28):
consumed a lot of vodka. Yeah, but I'm I'm I'm a pretty heavy
lifter when it comes to vodka too, So it works out. So who
who won that battle of the drinking? Then? Oh, well I'm a
girl. But yeah, I don'tI wouldn't get out drink me for sure,

(54:54):
although probably you most likely, butmost likely I have very little tolerance
for weed. And I and Iand I love it and I broke for
whatever reason, like yeah, yeah, I've realized now that other people don't
eat the whole thing. Now that'swhere my get I get a little different,

(55:16):
like yeah, I mean you know, I mean I break up the
candy bar into the assigned pieces orwhatever it is. But still apparently that's
more than a lot of other peopledo. So I get in like a
haze, which is that's the object, right? I mean when you,
yeah, slow your brain down alittle bit. Um, So you do

(55:37):
like to talk politics or or whatabout conspiracy theories? Because you seem to
be pretty inquisitive, Like is thereone conspiracy theory that you really buy into?
Like did we fake the moon landing? Or JFK assassination or COVID is
fake or um? So many ofthese days to choose from space. You

(56:01):
know, I don't. I don'treally buy into any conspiracy theory. I
think that there's possibilities that some ofthem are right, Um, conspiracies have
happened, But I try to keepin mind that the most likely explanation for

(56:21):
something is usually the correct one.Akham's razor they call that is okay,
that's what Akham's raisor says, isthat the most likely, the simplest explanation
is the most likely explanation, andso and so that keeps me from really
latching onto most conspiracy theories because becausemost of them, and most of them

(56:43):
would require a lot of people tobe in on it, and you know,
you get one of those people drunk, he's going to tell someone.
I just don't I don't believe thatyou can get a hundred people to keep
a secret, or I don't believethat you can get five people to keep
a secret. But the more peopleyou have trying to keep a secret,
so less likely it will be tobe kept. And so these huge government

(57:06):
conspiracies seem a little unlikely to mefor that reason. Yeah. No,
And this is the exact discussion Ihad on set with Jack Vegas the other
night, you know, because he'sinto every conspiracy theory, but he'll lie
into the real far off ones andthen I'll say, well, look,
it's not that I'm discounting the possibilityof what you're saying. You know,

(57:30):
But the problem is is that ifthere's a ninety nine percent chance of something
or a one percent chance, you'regoing with the one percent chance, I'm
going with a ninety nine percent chanceyou take. Like Epstein's Island. There's
all these lists of celebrities that wentto Epstein's Island. Yeah, it's possible
that all those celebrities were going forthe purpose of having sex with underage boys

(57:53):
and girls. But also there's apercentage chance that they were going because there
were great parties on this island thatcelebrities love, being flown on a private
jet to an island with a bigparty with other celebrities and right thinking that

(58:13):
there are some people that were onthat island that are very guilty. The
ones that are you see very closelywith Epstein and pictures probably were very in
on it. But a lot ofthem were there just because I mean I
personally, if if somebody had invitedme to an island and said, hey,
Tom Hanks and U and UU ClintEastwood and I are going to be

(58:35):
at this party tomorrow night, andwe'd like to send a jet to fly
you to this island. Yeah,well, I'm guessing that they had no
idea that that was happening. Umand for me, yeah, getting me
to a party, all you needto say is open bar and go to
any any party. I don't needislands. Thank goodness, I'm not famous.

(59:02):
Yeah, I'm sure they did.I'm sure they did well. Okay,
So what we've learned here on yourpersonal life thing is that if a
guy wants to hook up with youor get to know you, he needs
to learn how to go hiking.He needs that's going to have to be
the in got to be active,Yeah, because I don't. I don't

(59:23):
sit still for a long So soyou gotta be an outdoor person, guys,
and you gotta be ready to drinkseriously, seriously massive quantities of alcohol.
We've also learned today that you gotinto the industry that actually, first
we learned that you were bilingual andthat you were a teacher out in Costa

(59:46):
Rica. Very few teachers get intoporn. And then we learned that you
started in bondage and that you're abig time massa kiss. We've covered a
lot of ground today here so far. Let's promote your stuff here. Now
tell everybody where to find all ofyour great sex panther and you're only fans
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but I haven't actually put it out, but you should just go to

(01:00:30):
my Twitter and then you will knoweverything I'm doing. And my handle there
is London Sea River, so youhave to put a middle initial in there,
sea as in Cat is in catYeah, sea as in But that's
not what it stands for. Ihave no idea what the seas people are,
like, what is the sea standfor? Like nothing, It's a

(01:00:52):
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only Fans? Did I see youtweeting that it's free where only fans?
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(01:02:22):
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(01:02:46):
So we knew you had two dogs, but you also seem to have
a dog sized cat seventeen pounds,very big. Can you lift them because
he's he's huge. Okay, soOliver is a very big cat, and
I love that he totally like,does not resist at all when you pick

(01:03:08):
him up in the air. Yeah, he's very chill like. Yeah,
yeah, he's a friendly cat.He's actually been late here this whole time
and he's just saw him because heput his head up there and stuff.
But well, there you go,everybody. That's the great London River and
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