Episode #185 - Pete Quinones and Why Indifference Trumps Hostility - Gold Goats 'n Guns Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hello, and welcome to the Gold, Ghats and Guns Podcast
for July twenty fifth, twenty twenty four. My name is
Tom Lamongo and we have a lot to talk about.
It's episode twenty eighty five, and I got a couple
of things on my plate before we get to our guest.
The first is to let you all know that I
will be speaking at the Mesa's Institute at the at
their annual donors Conference in October from October tenth to

(00:41):
the twelfth, and Hilton at South Carolina. So if you're
interested in that, you can go sign up there. I'll
have the promo code in the show notes as well.
I will also be speaking at Michael Thorpe's expet Money
Summit twenty twenty four. I did this one last year.
I'll bevy of really interesting speakers are going to be
there this year, including Tom Woods, Ron Paul and other
and myself. I'll be doing both a twenty five minute

(01:04):
talk with mckel directly, and I think I'm in a
de dollarisation round table with my good friend Alex Kraner,
who's also a frequent guest on the podcast. But for today,
since this is now the I think second podcast, I've recorded.
Since Trump was nearly shot and we now know who
his vice presidential candidate is going to be, I wanted

(01:28):
to have on And there's been a lot of talk
about that, both good and bad and all over the
place and all conspiratorial, and it's infected the entire world.
And considering the fact that I've not never seen the
information space as polluted as it is right now, since
five minutes after Trump grabbed his ear and then hit

(01:48):
the deck, there was nobody else I wanted to talk
to about what I've heard called the pay pal mafia
once or twice, and I wanted to get and JD
Vance's ties to that, and so I could think of
no other person than the person who introduced me to
that term. Pee canonations with me today and Pete and
I are going to chat about all things as to
what he thinks is going on behind the scenes within

(02:12):
the Trump administration or the incoming Trump administration and all that. Pete,
how are you? Man? Hey? Ben? Doing well? Do well? Man?
Thank you? Thanks for inviting me. As always, it is
uh my my, my privilege and pleasure. And you and
I haven't spoken since you rolled through my area, my
neck of the woods. A couple of months ago, and
it was a that was an interesting, a great evening.

(02:32):
It was fun. So talk to me, man, what's going on.
I I know that there's a lot of people out there.
I have I have members of my community now calling
jd Vance what was they're calling him? They're calling him,
oh Hillbilly Obama, as opposed to like I was calling
for beck Ramaswaming earlier in the year, h one b
Obama because I didn't know anything about him, And uh,

(02:55):
I find that way overstated me personally. It rubbed me
the wrong way. And I'm no, I got a happeat
on the show. So man, I'm gonna let you just
run for a bit and tell me what you think
is actually going on here and trace some of the connections.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Sure, when we met, when I stopped by down by
your Way, it was in February, and it was right
at the beginning of February that my friend Matt Erickson
was doing episodes about Elon Musk and he started using
the term PayPal mafia. And I reached out to him
and I'm like, you get a let's talk about this.

(03:30):
And it turns out, I mean, this term has been
around for a long time. There is actually a Wikipedia
page about the PayPal mafia. And what he started to
see and what he explained to me, and then I
started to see almost immediately I bought in immediately was
that it looked like tech was there was a move

(03:53):
by certain people in Silicon Valley to try to take
over Trump's campaign for twenty twenty four, insinuate them and
insinuate themselves in there.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Now at the time, it just it.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Was mostly it was mostly of a vic showing up
at events with him saying things that people in the
Silicon Valley world would say, and then Trump like two
hours later would say it, repeat it, or a couple
of days later. It was obvious that a Vike had
his ear and was feeding him things like there's not

(04:29):
going to be any central bank digital currency, We're not
going to regulate, We're not going to regulate cryptocurrency or blockchain,
and it's like these aren't things Trump knows about. So,
knowing the vikes ties to jd Events and Jade Vance's
ties to Peter Teel, we started looking into, Okay, so
what's happening, And we started talking about the fact that

(04:54):
all of these lawsuits were coming out against Trump, and
that it looked like they were trying to not only
put him in jail or prevent him from running again,
but it looked like they were going to try to
bankrupt him, which I think they essentially, he took a
big hit in his net worth, is what my opinion is.

(05:16):
And the way we looked at it was we thought, well,
maybe just maybe these billionaires and insanely high up there millionaires,
these people that they had promised Trump that we will
take care of you, and we're just conspirazing at this

(05:37):
point that will take carry you. We'll make sure you
don't go to jail, we'll make sure that your net
worth goes back up, and we'll make sure you get elected.
We just want to have we want to run the
show in twenty twenty four. We want to run the
show in twenty twenty five when you get elected. We
want to have a lot of say well, I'm sure

(06:00):
you're familiar with DJT and that as soon as it
was made public, it's skyrocketed. I don't think that's an accident.
I think that that was coordinated so that Trump could
be wealthy again. I mean, have you know, have an
amount of wealth that he could do what he needed

(06:22):
to do. And then I don't know that the Silicon
Valley guys had anything to do with having these lawsuits.
He gets convicted, well, no one's talking about the convictions anymore,
the lawsuits, No one's talking about the lawsuits anymore. All
this stuff just basically seems to go away. And then

(06:45):
we're like, okay, so we're hanging everything on who does
heat pick? Is he does the person he picks as
a VP? Is that going to point to the pay
palm mafia? And we immediately said, I mean we said
this in February. If he picks Jade Events, that's if
he picks Jade Events or like a Vivike someone like that,

(07:07):
that's point. He's got to pick someone someone in the
tech sector or connected to the tech sector. And Vance
is you know Vance, it was one of the chief
investors in the vac's company.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
And we know that.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Vance's company, I think it was called Narayah I think
it is. That was Teal Teel invested in that, right,
So we're like, okay, so what's happening do we When
does he pick the VP? Well, you know, we're three
days away, two days away from the convention, and someone
takes a shot at it. Someone takes a shot at Trump.

(07:47):
I don't get into the conspiracy theory of this because
I think it's too big a moment, too big a
narrative can be written around it, that the conspiracy just
takes away from the narrative. I believe it's something that
our guys can use. And two days later, I don't
know that Trump had planned to pick Dvance from everything.

(08:09):
It looked like he was going to pick Marco Rubio,
and he picks Vance. And immediately people said, well, that's
his insurance policy. If somebody takes a shot at him again,
it's Vance, and they're more scared Advents. They should be
more scared Advance and Trump. Okay, all I know is

(08:30):
Advances in there. He has connections to Silicon Valley that
go back, that go back a decade, that he he
follows guys on Twitter that are on the quote or
quote unquote dissident right. These are far right wing thinkers

(08:50):
that Dvance is. He became a Catholic in twenty nineteen,
seems to change a lot of his thinking, and he
it seems like he is if you listen to his speech,
he's talking about you know, the thing that everyone that
people on the left are scared of. And even I

(09:10):
heard Ben Shapiro counter signaling this is he said, the
United States is a nation, and a nation is its people.
It's not an economic zone. It's not you know, it's
not an open air strip, mall right. And that scares
the crap out of a lot of people, especially the left,
who have basically said it is a lot of people

(09:34):
on the right have you know, want the business to
go on as usual. And it looks like from everything
that we can tell, and also from some podcasts that
I can bring up, I can bring up from some
big tech names, names that people either you don't know,

(09:54):
or you should know, or you probably know, it looks
like that the this has been in the plans, in
the plans for a while, and it looks like basically,
up until a certain point, the Democrats were perfectly fine
with tech doing doing as they wished. And then they
decided that they were going to clamp down on tech,

(10:17):
and the tech guys went no, A lot of a
lot of the tech guys went no, we can't have this,
we can't have this. We we have to go with
the people who are pro tech. Now, someone like Marc
Andreesen from Andreson Horowitz, the biggest VC fund in the world,
biggest funder of tech in the world. You know, we'll

(10:41):
tell you he voted for He supported Hillary Clinton in
twenty sixteen, Barack Obama in twenty twelve. Why did he
do that? Because they were pro tech. They were perfectly
fine with tech going on. And he is openly saying
on his most recent podcast it's called Little Tech, Little

(11:02):
Tech Debate or something like that, Biden or Trump, where
he sits down with his fellow billionaire Ben Horowitz and
they say they lay out why they are supporting Trump.
And from everything I've heard from people that I know
who are in the background the way Teal used to

(11:23):
deal out money when he was more politically active, because
I think Heal's in the background now, I don't think he's.
No one's telling me that he's throwing money around. It
looks like Andresen has actually stepped up and he's the
one who's basically if he's not finding it, he's directing
where the money goes. I mean, Elon's saying, for I'm

(11:46):
going to give forty five million a months of Trump.
He may have done that on his own. I think
it was probably more of him, you know, him on
one of his private signal calls or WhatsApp calls and
them making that decision more than one person. I don't
think Musk just made that decision on his own. So

(12:06):
there's a lot of intrigue there. Like I said, there's
tons more I can talk about because they're openly, openly
stating what their what their grievances are now and it's
an exciting time to It's an exciting time because I
don't know that anybody who you know, I'm a proponent

(12:28):
of elite theory. I think leads elites are always in charge,
but that elites circulated in and out. I think we are.
You are watching right now an elite, a hostile takeover
by a certain group of elites who are looking to
push out the woke, the anti business.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
These people who just.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Have even if they don't know it, they've adopted more
kind of Marxist kind of you know ideas about billionaires
being that being you know, billionaire is.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Bad it right, M No, it's interesting people you say that,
and I've been you know, it's funny when I started
first hearting heard about you know, these things and and uh,
the these connections to advance and everything else. It started
like filtering into my community. And when they started talking
about it, and and they started arguing about it back
and forth and blah blah blah blah. And someone asked me, well, directly,

(13:20):
well what do you think about this? And I said, well,
I would be lying if I didn't say that I
have to at least understand that. You know, I've been
making this argument about the Federal Reserve for three years now,
saying look, that's when I when I was on Tom
Woods show and I was trying to explain it to
him a couple of years ago. First, try to really
introduct interject this id these ideas into the libertarian you know,

(13:45):
central decentralized commentary spaces, like, look, the Federal Reserve is
an organization that wants to survive like anything else. They
they're incentives, and our incentives can overlap for a time.
And if it's going to be a war between banks

(14:07):
for the future, well then if they have the FED,
if we have American banks on our side that still
want nominal private formation of capital, and you've got Davos
in the wet and all these other people over in
Europe wanting to collapse the world and make it safe
for communism and the public formation of capital, Well, then
I'm willing to make a deal with I'm going to

(14:27):
be on the side of that giant while these two
giants fight, and I'm trying to stay out of the
way and try not to get stepped on. And I'm
going to cheer my giant on until he beats the
other giant, and then I'm going to turn on that
giant and try and figure out how to take him
down later, but in the order of operation. So if
I believe that about the Federal Reserve, and I've made
that argument pretty strenuously and pretty convincingly in my after

(14:50):
all this time, then how can I not view little
tech versus big tech in the same manner. If we're
going to go into an information war, or if we're
in an information war, then I want a dragon on
my side. I want a giant on my side. And
you know, that's the way it is. And it doesn't

(15:11):
mean that anybody has to be a white hat or
black hat. There are no heroes, there are no villains.
There are just where there are just different grades of villains.
And you know, that's the way things are. And so
that was my initial like kind of you know, hot
take on the subject. And then I said, well, then
we'll see how it plays out. It sounds like that's

(15:32):
what you're arguing, or at least that's what you've uncovered
and you think about what's going on with these people.
Am I correct about that? Definitely?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
And you know, I'm sure you saw about a week
ago that the rumor being floated that Trump was thinking
of if Trump got elected, Jamie Diamond would be head
of the Treasury.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Sir, Yeah, I mean yeah, Did I not do a
victory dance around my house? Yeah? Like, I have a
very funny story to tell that I told another point.
I'm not going to tell it here because it's like, well,
actually this is probably the appropriate venuing for it. I
was like, I was on the toilet when I found
out about it, and I'm like screamed to my wife
and I'm like here and she's like, no, you're on

(16:15):
the toilet. I'm like, Jamie Dimon is being you know,
as being considered for Trump's Treasury secretary. She just said,
how in the hell did you sit down on that
toilet with balls that big? And I went one at
a time, baby, one at a time. I had to
slip him in through the that this is what this
is what passes for, you know, for a high level

(16:37):
conversation in my house anymore, real high culture. Yeah, oh yeah,
we're real high culture up here and up here in
the hillbilly country.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well did you notice the reaction? So that the reaction,
so that was just maybe a day or two later,
there was a counter signal saying, no, he's thinking of
Larry think.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Oh yeah, no. That was the New York Post saying
that that was thrown out astly and everybody ran that
by me and I went, oh please, that's the post
throwing chum out there. I almost wanted to post my
mad Maximan.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
That's bait. That is well all you know. Also, it's
why would Larry Fink take a step down? He's the
most powerful, He's one of the most powerful men in
the world.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Right now, Well, I'll say, is this about Larry Fink?
I've been saying for a long time. I'm like, if
I had my choice between Diamond or Fink, I'll tell
you if if I'm betting money on who's going to
win a war between Diamond and Fink. I'm betting on diamond.
This diamond has the FED, and Think has been begging

(17:37):
the FED to lower rates, Like as far as I'm concerned,
and I've made this argument in the past that black
Rock is this big, huge thing and it's not that
big a book of business. At the end of the day,
it's not that all that much you know, shareholder value.
It's a lot of money of ours that they control
and vote our proxy. But at the end of the day,

(18:00):
they can take Larry Finger out in an hour if
they really want to, So don't ever. So Think was
riding high when his backers in Davos and Obama and
all the rest of them were riding high. They're not
riding high anymore. They're on the defensive. And now Think

(18:21):
is you know, he's you know, he's hedge fund manager
without a or you know, he's fund manager without a
without a home, looking for somebody to give him an umbrella.
And that's what I see. And I've been seeing this
from Think for for over two years now. So while
he he is powerful, you know powers like, it's all

(18:43):
about the weather van It's all about the political weather vane,
the political we and the and the winds in Washington
are changing. Otherwise they wouldn't have taken a shot of Trump.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
The problem is is that they've they've become so anti
business that it's going to a star, it's going to
start affecting technology. And this is exactly what this is
exactly what Injuries and in Horowitz said on their latest episode.
What some of the things that they're worried about that
they touched was AI. Everyone sees AI as the future.

(19:17):
People can be scared of it. I use AI all
the time mostly for for people send me PDFs and
stuff like that, and I have no time to read this.
I plug it into an A, I plug it into AI
app as they summarize this for me, you know, and
I get I get you five block block quotes or
something like that. They see it as the future. And

(19:40):
one of the they go before Congress and what what
these people have told them is, we're going yeah. They're like,
Congress is talking about well, you know, we want to
regulate it. And they're like, well, you can't regulate it
at the tech level, you know that you just be
regulating math. And they're like, oh no, we can do that.
That's what we did when when nuclear came along, Well,

(20:02):
we can definitely. They're like, no, you should if you're
going to regulate to do it at the application level,
They're no, no. So they're like, we need somebody in that.
We need somebody in there. This is the future. We
need somebody in there doing that. Another thing is unrealized
capital gains. Yes, there's a plan for next for a
Biden's second term, which would be I guess a Harris

(20:25):
first term or I don't even know what that would be.
Past unrealized capital gains, they'll put vcs will be out
of business in four years.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I VCS will America will be out of business in
four years. These people want to destroy the country, period.
But they they know this, they see this.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I mean they also you'll hear look at look at
Elon Musk the other day, Elon Musk talking about the
trans agenda and saying, they killed my son. He said,
they killed my son. These people are these are people
who are bipartisans whoever. They're about tech. Okay, this is

(21:06):
what's the most important to them. They're technocrats. All right,
let's not be afraid, I mean, you could be afraid
of that term. But let's be realistic about that term.
They're technocrastics. They care about technology, they want technology to progress.
And what they're seeing is is that the regime and
I'm not looking they're looking at the regime as the

(21:28):
new Deal regime. And Mark Andresen the other day somebody
had tweeted out somebody wasn't a very big follower account
Mark Andresen follows a lot of people said, I think
what you're seeing now is you're seeing an elite takeover
by Silicon Valley interests. And Mark Andresen retweeted that with

(21:49):
a bullseye, and then he retweeted his bullseye with the
cover of James Burnham's The Managerial Revolution and the Machiavellians.
They're not going to war with this regime and what
it's done in the last ten years. They're going to
war what this regime has done in the last hundred years,

(22:10):
what it's become. And I think they seek to dismantle
it now. Whether people want to bring up Project twenty
twenty five, I mean, it's it is what it is.
I don't know that everything in there would get passed,
and I think that there's there's other things people would
want to want to apply it to But what you

(22:33):
what people seem to be missing here is there's a
big picture that most people just completely miss. So seventy
five years ago, Elon Musk would not be Elon Musk
might own his own company, but he would be working
for the government.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Right, it would.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Be he would because they would pull their brightest they
pull the brightest minds in there. So Elon Musk would
be working, Peter teal In working for the government, Mark Andresen,
all of these people be working for the government. But
the managerial revolution, managerialism has precluded that because everything is

(23:12):
about management now. In nineteen ninety one, the Internet went online. Okay,
there were a bunch of these guys who could make
a choice. Are we going to go in the direction
of the future, which we think is the open Internet,
or are we going to get jobs and get regular

(23:33):
jobs or get government jobs? And a bunch of them,
a lot of them chose the open Internet. And what
happened in the meantime, what would have happened if those
people would have went into government. You may have seen
and think about what's happening in nineteen ninety one. Not
only is the Internet coming online, the Soviet Union is

(23:54):
falling apart. Yep, the United States is top dog in
the world, I mean, the most powerful nation of all time.
These guys could go into the government and they could
they could make this the greatest I mean, the strongest country,
the most advanced country. I mean, we could have flying

(24:15):
cars to get all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
That's a meme at this point.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
But they didn't. And what did they do. They went
and they built a parallel society. They built a parallel economy.
They basically built the parallel institutions that libertarians and agaris
and everybody were talking about. But they had to do it.

(24:39):
They couldn't do it completely outside of the system, so
they had to work with the system. Many of them
took advantage of the system, many of them raped the
system in order to do it. Okay, And now now
they're getting to the point where they've built out there.

(24:59):
They they see themselves on the precipice of this incredible
technological breakthroughs. I mean, Andresen and Horrowitz talk about curing cancer.
They talk about they say, AI is the key to
curing cancer. We have to be able to have all
these feed all this information in there and let it
work itself out. They say, what they're seeing is they're

(25:24):
seeing a regime. They're coming up against a regime that
hates them because they have money, hates them because they're.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
They're not.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
They are tech people. They aren't bowing the knee to
the woke. Some of them are reied Hoffman people like that. Sure,
they're a leftists in Silicon Valley, but there's this group
people like Bill Ackman, people like David Sachs, Peter Thiel,
jd Vance, Elon Musk, a bunch of these.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Guys and go check out.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
This is probably one of the most fascinating interviews I've
seen in a while. The Moment of Zen podcast had
Billagie on them. I can't remember pronounce his last name,
CTO of Coinbase used to work for Andrews and Horowitz.
It's an hour and forty five minutes, and he's laying
out basically what he hears in San Francisco, what he hears

(26:27):
from people, how they they see that the regime doesn't
want law and order, they want the streets to be
they want the streets to be chaos, they want the
streets to be in shambles. And then he you know,
he lays out you know, the interview I can never
remember the moment is in the host name, but he

(26:47):
asked him, He's like, well, what about jan six? And
he's like, well, what about the attack on the White
House when Trump was there where they had to take
you know where they're throwing They're throwing miles off cocktails
and Trump has to be taken down in to the bunker.
Why don't we talk about that. Why don't we talk
about you know, why don't we talk about the bang
on the Supreme Court drawers? Why don't we talk about
the burning down of cities in twenty twenty. And he's

(27:10):
explaining all this, and he's like, when I talk to
people in San Francisco, Now, sure, you're going to have
your ideologues who are so far left that they can't hear,
But there are more and more people waking up to
the fact that this woke mind virus has to go
to somebody has to fight it. And that's what I

(27:33):
honestly believe that as much as someone like mark An
Dreesen or Ben Horowitz or David Sachs or Bill Ackman
or Elon Musk, this wouldn't even be on their radar
because you know their their minds are somewhere else. They
see all of this as impeding the future that they want,

(27:58):
and then you know, we can get in to whether
that's the future we want or you know not, how
we feel about that future.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well, that's it. It's it's interesting you brought all that
stuff up, because it's I think it's so this is
where I have to ask the basic question. Right as
you were speaking, I was thinking, Christ, now, what was
I thinking that they made that? This is the this

(28:25):
is the thing I've heard you heard you say is
that yes, they are trying to build that parallel society.
And then the question, of course is are they going
to be those people that we fear? And then the
knee jerk reaction from so many people who were who
are who distrust all forms of power. They don't have

(28:45):
any way of filtering the that information and putting it
into context. They just see Oligarch bad or you know,
billionaire bad, and then they're gonna then they're gonna just
you know, meet the new boss same as the old boss.
And while I don't this, I don't discount that analysis completely,

(29:06):
I have to again ask the question, well, what would
you prefer right now? How can you how are you
going to beat these people? What are you going to do?
You're just going to sit here and like, because there
comes a point where there's only so much there's only
so much to choose a side. Yeah, there's only so
much complaining you can do, right, There's only so much

(29:28):
complaining you can do about this. But there was something
else you brought up earlier, and I'm sadly I didn't.
I should have written that. They're written it down, but
it was clear that that you know, we can have
You know, are these guys, are they bad? Are they good?
Does it matter? They're the guy with the gun? You know,

(29:48):
to quote Bruce Campbell, like good, bad, I'm the guy
with the gun. Now which gun do you want to
be behind? Because at the end of the day, that's
the that's the question, And it's not the world we want.
We all want the guns to go away you at
least not be pointed in us anymore. But that's not
the world you have. And your option here is if

(30:12):
they if they don't do this, then you're going to
be stuck under the exact same type of or a
worse kind of technocratic So you can see what they
want in the European Union, the European Union is a
is a perfect example of the world that we don't
want total surveillance, total uh, programmable money and all the

(30:37):
rest of that stuff. Like I remember when I did
the the debate with Matt rat On in me on
one side, and Ian Davis and Riley Wagman and the
other hosted buy Off Guardian, and everybody was getting tripped
up over the concept of the Fourth Industrial Revolution, and
it was Matt Eric, Actually I givet a lot of
credit for this who started parsonalities like look to putin

(30:59):
for his sample, that term doesn't mean the same thing
that it means to Klaus Schwab, or to Eubal Harari
or Bill Gates or and now you can even extend
that to Elon musk And or Peter Teel. Just because
these terms are synonymous doesn't just because it's the same
term doesn't mean it means the same thing the different
it's the same to different people. And I think it's

(31:20):
very important that we parsed through those those those different
new that different layer of nuance, because like for example,
the Russians are going to go to a digital ruble,
that doesn't mean that it's going to be a programmable
digital ruble like Ursula Vonderley and Christine Lagarter talking about
that's the one we're all worried about. Well, we're not
allowed to order pizza, and it's gonna be a social

(31:41):
credit score, and there's all the rest of it. There
may be I don't know, I don't get that sense
from Putin right. I don't know get since I don't
know that I get that from Elon Musk. But it
also it makes perfect sense to me then why Elon
Musk would have bought Twitter when he did. It also
would make all that is. That is the one thing.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
The first thing I thought when my friend Matt Erickson,
you know who put all this together, really he started
it when he told me this, When he started explaining
to me, it was like, that's why they bought Twitter
because they need to control the narrative. They need to
they need to be able to stomp out the regime
narrative and.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Put their own in there.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I mean, can you imagine, Okay, do you think in
twenty twenty, in July of twenty twenty, if someone would
have taken a shot at Trump, do you think we
would have seen all those videos of it on Twitter? No, No,
it would have been completely completely suppressed. It would have
been like Hunter Biden's laptop completely suppressed. And they even

(32:48):
tried to do it. Now, they tried to do it
this year. What is CNN run with, Oh, Trump, Trump
falls right after a loud noises? Yeah, Trump falls after
a loud noise. Tried to be like he got scared
and he dove to the ground. No matter what you
think happened that time. I mean, I'm really sick of
the conspiracy theories around it, you know, because mostly because

(33:10):
when I think about nine to eleven or the jfk
assassination or all these things, no one we still don't
know what happened. We probably never will. So it's all
you're doing is speculate, and you're trying to prove how
smart you are. And you know there's a better you know,
I said, when the Trump thing, when they took a
shot at him, I said, the better narrative is is
that they drummed this up. They made him out to

(33:33):
be hitler, they made him out to be a fascist,
to the point that somebody took a shot at him.
They missed, and they killed one of our guys. They
killed a hard working middle class guy who was a fireman.
They killed one of us, and they don't care. They're
not mourning him. They don't care about us. And you know,

(33:55):
so maybe the old meme, remember that meme of Trump
saying they're attack and there they.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Want to target as you but I'm the way, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, so it's like, use that meme, use the narrative.
If if Twitter is allowing now people on the more
right to spend narratives, use the narrative.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, I mean it's I think, I I I think
I mostly agree with you. I'm don't think this is disagreement.
I think it's important that yes, you're exactly right, it's
a it's even one step further than that, they're not.
It's very clear that they've just created an orgy of
incompetence here in order to try and obfuscate the fact

(34:42):
that they did take a shot at him and that
crooks as a patsy and bub blah blah. That's what
I believe, and I and I'm not going to be
dissuaded off of that. But doesn't But as you're but
you are also right that it doesn't really matter because
what they immediately then tried to do was well, what
they do right after that then they disappear Joe Biden
a couple of days later after the convention to suck

(35:04):
all the air out of the room then and substitute
in Kamala Harris like, because they need to They understand
they need to control the narrative. And it goes back
to what I said about Elon Musk taking over Twitter.
You remember, and the week before he takes over Twitter,
he was threatening to sue over the valuation in order

(35:26):
to drag everything about Twitter out into the open and
to prove to everybody that it was basically a loss
leader that wasn't worth forty four billion dollars. And then
the midterm elections happened, and then he walks in on
Friday afternoon and by Twitter with the kitchen sink fyi.
At the same time, the FED begins executing various crypto

(35:47):
projects that were clearly obviously money laundering operations. I'm going
to tell you something that I want to but I'm
trying to do here is I can do this because
I'm allowed and I can make him for which is
that you can tie both of our narratives together. Everything
I've been saying about the banking class and everything you're
saying about little tech, they all they all center on

(36:09):
the same bend diagram. Get rid of these fucking people,
because because the people who are running this country, the
managerial class, which is by the way, and that's what
I wanted to talk about. We're going to circle back
to that now, which is this whole Project twenty twenty
five is now a boogeyman. It was created by Soros
and media, David Brock, media Matters and everything else because
they understood exactly what was going to happen. They were

(36:29):
planning on shooting Trump, killing in and then saying look
and they prepped the narrative for three weeks saying, this
Project twenty twenty five thing is the end of America.
It's the end of democracy. Is no, It's the end
of the administrative state. It's a very simple project. If
you have not watched it. I found I got forwarded
a podcast or a speech presentation from a year ago

(36:53):
by a couple of guys who worked in the Trump
administration and were explaining to I think they called themselves
a Manhattan project. Weirdly talking to a bunch of high
net worth guys explaining the origin. They were at the
beginnings of Project twenty twenty five, so this is a
year ago, and they were explaining all of their staffing
wins and how they use the regulations within while they

(37:15):
were running Trump's when they finally got control of the
staffing and that's how they're like, they got some wins,
and they're like, oh, this is how we dismantled the
administrative state. This is how we fire all these people.
This is how we get all this stuff done. And
they detailed like chapter and verse, oh, we got this
one done, and then we got this one done, and
we're and they were like the guy was literally and

(37:35):
we kept explaining like a couple of twenty five year olds.
They're like, we fully expected like the military to show
up at our door, right and go, okay, you guys
can't do this anymore because if you don't, if you
don't stop, we're gonna shoot you. And it never happened.
Because so what everybody doesn't really understand is that what
we none of us really understand is that the president

(37:56):
doesn't have any real power and in their words, executive
orders are requests by the president to instruct it to
the cabinet secretary to do X, Y and z. And
if the cabinet secretary doesn't want to do and the
bureaucracy doesn't want to do what the president asked for,
they don't do it. And there's almost nothing we can

(38:20):
do about it. The president can actually do about it,
short of firing them. But if the president doesn't have
really the ability to you know, there are rules and
regulations for getting all that stuff done. This is what
Project twenty twenty five is all about, is cutting through
that and saying, look, we can replace all of these people.

(38:41):
And that's why they're so scared of it. And by
the way, there's also another group that's also trying to
buy for who's going to staff the Trump administration. There's
Heritage and the Project twenty twenty five, and then there's
also a FPI and there there's those two groups are
vying for. It doesn't matter. We have two groups trying
to staff a second Trump tournament. And honestly, Pete, that's

(39:03):
why I don't believe Trump is ever going to be
taking office. But it's still indicative of the of the
of the fight between like oligarchs. As you were saying earlier,
it's that it's beautifully put earlier that the that we're
seeing elites fight amongst themselves and a titanic struggle over
who's going to control the future. And you know, you know,

(39:29):
I'm gonna stand here and I'm going to watch it
happen because I can't really stop it. But you know me,
I'm also not gonna knee jerk react and say that
they're all bad, because that's not that's not fair.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Well, that's the thing, right, is if people who are ideological,
who you know, have a strict ideology, libertarians, even people
even further right. You come to learn this once you
start really listening to people, is the they say, Okay, well,
which one do you think would be better for you?

(40:04):
Well neither, Okay, Well if you want that option, go
raise up your own elites, okay, because that's the only
way this is going to work.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
So where we're at is you have a bunch of
you know, I always bring up libertarians because I used
to be one. I don't call myself a libertarian anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I'm way too intoreal politique, and you know I don't.
I'm like, I just want here's the way I look
at it, Okay. The regime that's in there right now
is completely against my values. They don't like the fact
that I go to church. They don't like the fact
that I go to confession. They don't like the fact
that I'm married and that I'm straight, And they don't

(40:46):
like the fact that I don't like them. They don't
like that I talk about the evil things that they do. Okay,
even if I didn't talk about the evil things that
I do, if I was the person who was shot
at that Trump rally, wouldn't mourn me. They would privately
celebrate it.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
When I examine these tech people, these people like people
are like, well, Elon must just wants to put a
chip in your head. And I'm like, there are going
to be people lining up to have chips put in
their head. He's not going to worry about me in Alabama, right,
He's not. He's not sending people for me in Alabama. Well,

(41:26):
they're going to want to set up a surveillance state.
I'm like, they're they're going to be busy purging whole.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
The whole departments.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
If they get their way, they have to dismantle the state.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
By dismantling the state. They're actually making the state smaller.
And I don't think people realize that the plan if
you get rid of the if you get rid of
this managerial regime, and managerial goes away and you have
basically a real executive and you have real lawmakers and

(42:07):
you have a real judiciary, you're you've just reduced the state. Yeah,
I mean that's what, Elon, that's what. That's what, Elon Musk,
that's what. Like the vag Ramaswuani has been running around
for twelve months saying one person should be in charge,
one person should be off for this, and then you know,

(42:28):
I mean, if you're an ideologue, you're like, oh no,
that means that he's just going to be king and
he's gonna he's nobody cares about you jerking off in
your basement. You'll get to keep doing it, Okay, nobody
cares about that. I mean, these people are pro crypto,

(42:49):
pro blockchain. I mean, when you listen to like andreies
and Horror with that that episode I was talking about,
they were talking about how when you look at social media,
the reason you can social media can be so easily
controlled and so easily people are so easily silenced is
because it's centralized. One person's in charge, and if that

(43:13):
person isn't friendly to you, well they're going to shut
you up.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
He goes. But if you.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Put if this was on the blockchain and there was
a you know, ten thousand nodes who had to all
agree in order to change something, in order to do something, well,
now you have a decentralized system. This is the thing
that these guys are talking about. These are the future
these guys want. They're telling you, they're telling you get

(43:41):
on board with this. If this sounds good to you,
then you'll still have people out there. Well, no, the
state will still exist. And as long as the state exists,
we're all slaves and taxes and taxes just just a
gut into your head and okay, we go. I mean yeah, technically, sure,
what's your plans to take the state down and replace
it with something? I mean, it's amazing to me the

(44:01):
amount of people who are like, well, I just can't
wait until the state just collapses. What do you think
people are going to adopt your a narco capitalism? If
the state collapses, they're going to be looking for the
strongest man to protect them from roving horse exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I mean, what you're going to wind up with the
war We're gonna wind They're gonna wind up with the
very war wards that they they are complaining about now.
And and it's like, look, like you know, that's the problem,
the problem that they it's the real, the fundamental problem
is that it's like, look, it's a process. Liberty is

(44:37):
not a thing. It's not a state function. We don't
just go. It's not a diode. It's either or off.
It's a process by which we go from where we
are to where we want to go. And that process
is going to be lumpy, and it's not going to
be it's not going to be tomorrow, and it's not
going to be if you even if you just take

(44:58):
this like, dude, are they better for you or they worse? No,
they're the same. No they're not. I'm sorry they're not.
And sitting here tracing connections and then nudge, nudge, wink wink,
going say they're all the same. That's not analysis, and
that's not journalism. It's not either, it's none of those things.

(45:23):
And it's it's it's pathetic. If you want my honest opinion,
I have, I have no I have If you if
you if you assemble data and do nothing with it,
then you're not Then you're just part of the problem.
You're actually now carrying water for the very people you

(45:45):
say you're fighting.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I will say this too, Like the Libertarians and the
end caps out there, these guys started building the system
that they wanted in nineteen one. They've been building it
for over thirty years. They've made themselves wealthy enough that
it looks like they can possibly get this done. What

(46:11):
have you been doing? What have you been doing? This
is all falling apart. I mean, we're not having a
technical collapse, but we're having a This is basically a
collapse in governance. Okay, And there's this group who have
been enriching themselves building things to replace what's happening now

(46:33):
for the last for over thirty years, and now they
see their chance and they're going for What the fuck
have you built? Have you built your Have you been
selling people on en Capistan? I mean, have you been
selling have you been building that parallel society? Now you've
been reading books like I used to do, You've been

(46:54):
doing nothing.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
You've been doing. All you've been doing is arguing on
the internet. Yes, you have your you're you have.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
This is what I've been saying about about libertarians. Okay,
it's a hobby. It's a hobby to most of them.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
It's just it's it's a hobby, it's an identity. It's
a group chat, you know. And if you well, you know,
maybe we should do this, well that's status. You're out
of the group chat. So you just stay in your
little bubble and you never you can't think outside of
anything else. And something else that I wrote in here
that I wanted to say was this isn't to me.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
What they used to say in the past was you're
you vote for the lesser, too evil, so you can
kick the can down the road. I don't see this
as kicking the can down the road. I see this
as something new. I actually see this as the potential
for these guys to tear down a couple walls. Yep,
that we can actually walk over the rubble and we

(47:55):
can move forward into because we're not going back, you know.
Nick Land said the you know, the only way we're
getting out of this is through. We got to go
through it, and we're going to go through it, and
we're going to something new. Sure, there's going to be
echoes of the past, especially when it comes to morality,
when it comes to culture. You don't want to hold
onto your culture. A lot of people are going to
want to. These guys don't want you to become I don't.

(48:19):
I'm not gonna say I'm gonna speak for them. I
don't see anything in these guys wanting you to become
technocrats like them. I don't see anything in them wanting
to wanting you to like there are I know of
a couple of guys in Silicon Valley who their whole
goal is to live forever. They don't want to die,
and they're doing everything they can to do that. They

(48:41):
don't want you. They're not saying that you have to
do that. They're not saying that you have to adopt that.
They're trying to break down barriers that are keeping them
from at least making this attempt.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
And and I'll say this, you know, I've already said this.
The regime, this new deal regime that we've had, you know,
I like to call it the Nuremberg regime because after Nuremberg,
anything right wing is basically criminal. You know, if you
have a right wing belief here criminal you. These people
hate me the way I look at like when I

(49:15):
listened to like Mark Andresen, or Ben Horowitz, or an
Elon Musk, a Peter even a Peter Thiel. I listened
to a lot of Peter tele lectures trying to figure out,
I think they're just indifferent.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
I will take indifferent right now over hostile. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I will take competency over incompetency. I mean these people.
One thing you have to realize about this. I started
this reading thing recently this year where part of in
between episodes, I'm reading whole books on my on my show.
I've done this before, but I'm up to my sixth book.

(49:53):
The first book I read was Peter Tiele's Zero to One.
Why did I do that? Because I saw this coming
and I want people to I want people to understand
what's what's coming. I wanted people to understand how these
people think and what they think.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
What they think.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
They they cherish competency. They look at our they look
at the government, and they're like, how can this this is.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Going to fall apart?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
This is it's become so incompetent that they become hostile
to people who are there should be their natural friends
like entrepreneurs, tech people, people who can solve the problems.
No one is coming to Elon Musky from the government
and saying we have this problem, solve it. No one's

(50:40):
going to Mark Entries, we have this problem, solve it.
No one's going to JD. Van's how would you solve
this problem?

Speaker 1 (50:46):
All right? So the yeah, so I want to say here,
Pete is the following. I'm just going to play Devil's
Appa here because for the most part I agree with you.
But the common refrain that's out there is, well, they're
just another tech billionaire and they took money from this
government program in for example, Peter Tiel and Pallenteer took

(51:07):
money from the CIA in two thousand and six, and
and Elon Musk cooked money from the government and multiple
different you know, and multiple different venues and blah blah
blahlah blah. What do you say to that? I mean,
I mean, that's the that's the counter argument that's out there.
That's the thing that and and I know that part
of that. Again, I'm not saying I agree with that

(51:29):
level of analysis. What I'm saying is and it has
taken root in the zeitgeist because it's a reflection of
people's worry about the about this all turning into as
I'd liked to put it many times, minority Report, but
with more Germans, right, this idea that they're going to
just you know, it's it's it's just well, I'm not

(51:51):
gonna have klaush Bomb as my overord. I'm gonna have
Peter til as my overlord. And see they took money
from the CIA, and because the CIA is black box bad,
therefore Peter Thiel black box back. Like it's like the end,
it's and I'll be honest with you, it's an underpants
and Noome style argument, still underwear dot dot dot evil.

(52:13):
But I want you to fill in the dot dot
dot if you can, and if you can't.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I don't think I don't think most people think that.
I think it's I.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Didn't say most. I didn't see most people. I said,
it's in the zeitgeist, especially in in in and around
what would what would be the dissident, right that is
trying to figure out what's going on here. And they
do have a voice, and they do have a and
they do have a certain amount of power, and we
honestly need them to get to understand that it's what

(52:46):
what the situation is. So it's just.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Okay, well there's a couple of things there. Let me
just make a note real quick. Sure, okay, all right,
So that because I need to come back to this.
The first time I heard about palents here, the first
time someone sent me an article explaining what Palentceier was,
I went right into Machiavelli mode, and I said, Okay,

(53:12):
how would Peter Tiel be able to use this against
his enemies?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
And who are his enemies? Who would he see as
his enemies?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Because he has this technology, he's given it to he
sold it to the government, but he still has the technology.
He could use it privately, So how could he use
it against his enemies? And who are his enemies? I'm
not his enemy. These people don't look at These people

(53:41):
look at the regime in charge as their enemy. So
my whole idea was Palentier is actually you know, when
you consider the global war on terror, it was a
great thing to sell the government if you wanted to
become a billionaire. But it's also technology that you could
hold back on, you could keep for yourself, that you'd

(54:03):
be able to extract information about other people, people that you.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Saw as your enemies.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
So am I Peter Tiel's enemy or is the regime
or people in the regime, people in the deep state?

Speaker 1 (54:14):
What Peter Toil's enemy? This is?

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I have no problem. It's like I said, before these
people went in nineteen ninety one, they decided that they
weren't going to join the government, that they were going
to do their own thing, that they were going they
were going to go into business for themselves. Was one
of the easiest way to get rich is to do
business with the state. Yep, Okay, they've done this. Now

(54:45):
they're looking and they're like, okay, our business with the
state is done. This state, this regime, this system is done.
It's where we we could take advantage of it before.
Now they're openly hostile to us. Why would Peter Teal

(55:07):
be Why would I consider Peter Teel to be my enemy.
Here's something else I will I will say. It's when
we met in February, I talked about how I thought
it was crazy that all of a sudden, Eric Prince
was back on the scene.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
That he's doing he started his own podcast, He's doing podcasts.
He just spoke last night at I am seventeen seventy
six is event I AM seventy eighteen seventy six event
in Nashville? Why is he back on the scene. And
then you have to remember, if you know history, the

(55:47):
people who basically overthrew regimes were part of the regime.
Right Caesar was part of the regime. Pinochet, Pino chet
was was in the Middle military, Franco was in the military.
You're not who are you going? What are you waiting for?

(56:07):
Are you waiting for some you know? Do you do
you think it's going to be some Vergin, some virgin
coming out of a seminary somewhere with you know, Just no,
that's not the way these things work. Real politic works
in a different way. Okay, it's the person. The people
who overthrow regimes may overthrow regimes for their own interest.

(56:33):
But what I learned from libertarianism was that when people
have self interest and they're out there doing things, the
way that the way that they become successful is they're
what they're doing for self interest has to be some
interest to you.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
So if they have self interest in doing this, is
it going to benefit me? Am I one of these
people who is just hiding in my room thinking that
everyone who has money and everyone who has power is
out to get me, is out to put me in
a cage. Is how to, you know, get me to
live in a smart city is how to? I'm sorry,

(57:13):
I just I'm not. I can't live thinking like that.
When you live thinking like that, you it's I said
this on a stream the other day and I set
it off the top of my head and people really
grabbed onto it. Black pilling, that nothing good ever happens.

(57:37):
It's it's just a recipe for you. It's a recipe
for you.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
You can't. You're not.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
You're not gonna do anything. It's a recipe for you can't.
There's no self improvement. It's a recipe for nothing ever
gets better. Okay, tell me nothing ever gets to look
at Al Salvador and tell me nothing ever gets better?

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
It just takes will Yes, Chicago. The crime in those
you know, Camden, New Jersey, South Central LA. They could
be cleaned up in.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
A weekend.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
If you put some if you paid someone like Eric
Prince to go in there, you can clean that up.
It could be in a weekend. It could easily house
to house, door to door.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Well the thing is clean. And I agree with you
about black piling. And I have I have spent months now,
if not probably more than a year, railing about this idea,
like we can't just be doom warming it up all
the time. And I'll be honest with you to sell clicks.

(58:46):
And that's what bothers me like, and it's all I mean,
that's that's Whitney Webb.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
You know, I said I wasn't going to bring up
Whitney Web, but that's Whitney Webb. Whitney Webb cannot be
white pilled her. She will lose her, her audience, Her
audience is everyone's out to get me. Peter Teal's a Mons,
you know, Peter Tiles of Mons or Peter til the Cia,
Peter Teal. I mean, that's it. It's her whole thing.

(59:17):
You know, Jeffrey Epstein, all of her research that she
stole from Ryan Dawson to write a book that everybody
thinks is her own research. Yeah, I mean all of
the Jeffrey Epstein, all that research she stole from Ryan Dawson.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Anyone who knows Ryan.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Ryan Dawson is writing Ryan Dawslin was writing articles about
Jeffrey Epstein in two thousand and six. Right, Okay, you
can just look at everything she wrote in that book,
and you can go back and you can look at
every little documentary that Ryan she lifted the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I mean, I don't like plagiariss. Just because she's a
plagdiss doesn't mean that she's wrong about Peter Teal. But
she is not going to tell you that anyone in
power is going to do anything that could possibly be
in your best interests because it will cost her money.
I've changed my mind when when I get new information,

(01:00:09):
I changed my mind, yep And it's caused me income
over the years. I mean, I've had income drops and
you know, I don't care. It's not like I want
to be I want to be right about everything. But
also I can under I can understand that I think
I'm right here, but somebody sends me new information and
I go, Guys, I was wrong, and but oh well,

(01:00:31):
you're just inconsistent. It's like no, no, no, you're in
a box. You're in a box. You're you're trapped. You're
trapped in the system of I know. The only thing
that I'm going to accept in the world is how
is my little ideology my little box, and anything that

(01:00:51):
exists outside of that box is either damaging to me
or I can't accept it. And Whitney Webb is a
perfect example of that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
She does not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Who anyone who thinks Whitney Webs is a great hero?
Tell me who she would accept coming to power that
she thinks would change things?

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
No one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Well, the only way anything is going to get changed
is by people in power.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Well, so what is to be to be fair? It is,
it would be the argument. The counter argument would be,
you know, meet the new boss same as the old boss,
and skepticism is a fair place to operate from. But
skepticism does not mean does not equate to uh conclusion.

(01:01:41):
You remain flexible and open to new information and to
synthesize information and to and this is one of the
things that I've been I've been obsessed with recently, is
to say, look again I said earlier, good bad, I'm
the guy with the gun. I maybe you're going to
have good be people do bad things. You're gonna have

(01:02:01):
bad people do good things. And if you want to
live in a world where someone is all evil or
all good, well it's going to be a really, really
small world because everybody has a shadow, everybody's got skeletons
in their closet, everybody's made mistakes, and then you live
in a world where there is no opportunity for someone

(01:02:24):
to become a better person or to do the right
thing at the right moment. We don't have at the
end of the day. Dollum is the one that slammed
dunkst the one ring into the cracks of doom and
Frodo failed, folks. This is the point. Fucking Tolkien made
this point and took him fifteen years to figure out

(01:02:46):
ten or twelve years to figure out the ending to
the word of the Rings because he couldn't come up
with the right answer. This is very important, and we
live in a time where people want simple answers. They
want to know that that guy's on my side, because
I don't have the time for complexity. I can't have nuance.
I need to know that you're a good guy. I

(01:03:06):
have people literally now screaming that I'm a Zionist hill
Pete because I like to point out that the British
are behind a lot of what we think those people
are about are behind. It's not all the same I

(01:03:27):
don't thinks ion and Phil, I just think you're wrong.
Well that's fine, you're you're more and you're more than
welcome to have that opinion. And I'm happy to have
that argument with you. But I think it's a bit
of both. I don't I'm not arguing that. I'm not arguing.
It's like, look, dude, at the end of the day,
I'm not arguing saying that there's a zero component here.

(01:03:49):
I'm not saying that. I would never say that anymore
than I would say that there's a one component because
I don't believe that evil, you know, has a phenotype. Sorry,
I just don't buy that. I never will And this
is this is the problem. And it's like I don't
think good has a phenotype either. So you know, at

(01:04:11):
the end of the day, we have to be willing
to explore various aspects of all of these things, and
it's going to be somewhere between good and evil, not
beyond or otherwise. Where you have to get beyond this
these concepts and understand that in times of stress, people
make decisions based on their self interest. That's what I

(01:04:32):
learned from libertarianism and the good and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah, but I think the thing that people can't someone
like Whitney Webb, who is just completely black pilled all
the time, and that's all she's doing is she's feeding
You know that everything, everything evil is everything that's evil
can possibly happen, Everything that could possibly happen is going

(01:05:02):
to be evil.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
There are no choices.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
But when you when you step back and you're like, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm going to provide, try to provide some
answers here. Okay, this is what I think you should
do personally. This is what I think is happening in
the real world. And it's the easiest thing you can

(01:05:27):
do as as what we do, what you and I do,
is to be completely black pilled and say nothing is
ever nothing's ever going to get better because you're not
going out on a limb. Okay, as soon as you
go out on a limb, you open yourself up to ridicule.
And most people are cowards. Most people are cowards. So

(01:05:49):
by me going out on a limb and saying, hey, look,
I think this Peypal mafia takeover. Yes, I know that,
David Sachs and Bill Ackman or Jews, I wow, you're
not teaching me anything, Okay, but I don't think when
I look at them, I don't you know, I immediately know

(01:06:12):
that they're all against Ukraine, Ukraine warm that I think
that Trump gets elected January twenty first, even maybe even
before that, all that's going to stop supporting that is
going to stop, and there'll be some kind of you know,
and Trump gets in there, he'll bring Putin to the

(01:06:32):
table and he'll he'll broke her something and be called
the Putin puppet and everything. Yeah, yeata, we know that'll happen.
But I look at this and I say the regime
and okay, given their worst, okay, like say everything about

(01:06:57):
these Silicon Valley guys, all this skin very ship that
everybody's scared of, which is all hypothetical, mind you. It's
all people saying we think this is going to happen,
or what we know, what we know about the regime
in charge? Yep, I mean, I mean, Biden, Oh, we

(01:07:18):
need to scale down the rhetoric a little bit. Weren't
you the guy who gave a speech in Philadelphia in
front of a red background with stormtroopers talking about how
a third of the a third of the country Trump
supporters are like semi semi fascists.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Beat the the the a I bought that they sent
out last night, did the right wic down? Okay? He was,
I was out, so I didn't know. I mean, you
know it was it was. It was terrible, like it was,
it was awful. And and again right, look, you know
the devil you're dealing with. It's okay to be skeptical

(01:07:57):
of the devil over the horizon, but you might have
to deal with the devil over the riseon. This does
not make you a bad person. That doesn't make you
a bad libertarian. Well, and the thing just to speak
the libertarians in the audience so that the four or
five of you are left seriously, it doesn't make you
a bad libertarian to go. Hey, remember roth Bard voted
for whoever was the lesser of two evils, because that's

(01:08:18):
what you do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
He I mean, he said, I mean, he had nice
things to say about David Duke when he compared to
who he was running against. Sure, man, I mean, that's
going out on a limb, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
But I'll give you another one. Ron Paul. When he
ran for president, did he talk about ending the FED tomorrow? No?
Did he? No? He didn't. He said, we can't get
rid of it tomorrow. We can't get rid of the
welfare state tomorrow, we can't get rid of solid security.
We made promises to these people, and we keep our
promises all of the Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Yeah, I mean, all I can say is is that
we know what this regime is. Okay, if you're one
of those people out there who's thinking, well, you know
what if we this regime stays in, it'll just fall apart.
You know, everything will fall apart. Okay, what comes after that?
It's not going to be your you know, your pet ideology.

(01:09:18):
It will never exist that, you know. James Burnham clearly
stated in Suicide of the West ideologies exist in a box.
As soon as they are they're created in a lab,
as soon as they are introduced into the air. As
soon as they are introduced into reality, they get hole
shot in them. Yep, no one's ideology is going to
exa It's like Mike Seison used to say, everyone has

(01:09:41):
a plan, so they get punched in the mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
And what I'm looking at here is if this, if
this is the the tech pros making their move. The
technocrats even call them the tech technocrats making their move.
What I know of them, what I can by listening

(01:10:05):
to endless hours of podcasts, by reading the books they
put out there. Are they my guys? I would prefer not.
I would prefer that somebody else take over. Do I
think that they can do I think that they can
improve conditions for like innovation, technology, fix the money. Yeah,

(01:10:35):
I think they can and I think they want to
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Whether they can do it or not is another is
another question. But I think that from everything I'm here.
I mean, unless all of these podcasts I'm listening to,
they're just sitting there reading scripts and they're just you know,
it's like and they, you know, look at the way
we're look at the way we're tricking Pete into thinking that,
you know, we're doing this. Because I mean, honestly, I'm

(01:11:04):
probably one of probably one to two percent of the
people who listen to those podcasts aren't tech pros. These
are tech podcasts. I listen to them because I want
to hear what they're saying. I mean, unless they're trying
to trick their people, you know, their fans, and they're
trying to trick Pete because Pete's listening in I just

(01:11:24):
don't get it. What I'm hearing is we need competent governance,
we need we need competent systems, and it's broken this
managerial regime, which just basically we don't even need a
president at this point. We don't have a president right now.
The country's running. The country's running, it's running terribly. It's

(01:11:45):
running horribly. And the reason it can run like that
is because we have a managerial Because it's a managerial regime.
It's not who you get elected, it's who is already
in place that is just keeping things going and keeping
things And is it's a system that its only purpose
is to perpetuate the system.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Yes, that's it. And I think these.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
People are looking to throw a monkey wrench into that
now do I. It comes back to the question I've
already asked a couple of times. Do I think it'll
be better than what we have now? From everything, from
the research I've been doing, I think so. If I'm wrong,
if they take over and things get even worse, I'll
say I was wrong. I'll apologize. But that doesn't mean

(01:12:32):
don't don't stop you know, buying land, investing in what
you need to, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Investing in yourself and making your making your community stronger,
doing all the things that you should be doing anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Oh yeah, you should still be looking at like local
politics and cinching up your a. I have a friend
right now who is like drawing up checklists for local politics, like, Okay,
how do we dewokeify how do we make sure how
do we dewokeify our local our local area and make
sure that none of this stuff comes in it comes

(01:13:05):
in in the future. And he's like, has this checklist
that he's going down and be like anyone who's in
local politics and a council can hand these things out
to you. And you can have a you can have
a checklist, you can you can have a goal, you
can have a what is what does it look like? Now?

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
You know what? What? What is it? What do you
want it to look like?

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
What? What could it possibly look like if it's infected
by this regime virus? I mean, this is These are
the kind of things that you should be doing anyway.
I don't think these people are coming to save us,
That's not what I've ever said. But they can break
down walls that we can walk over. They can leave
us the hell alone. It's like I said, I know

(01:13:45):
the regime in charge is hostile to me. Now everything
that I'm hearing from these people, at best, they're going
to be indifferent to to you know, the average person.
But also these people want to bring manufacturing home. Yep,
these people see China.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
And this is another thing that Andreweson says. I it's
it's the it's the Bob and Mark Show. And you
can look look for it on Twitter. It's called We're
going to find the links for it. I'll put them
in the show notes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
On YouTube it's called the latest episode was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Let Me let Me get It.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
It's called the Little Tech Agenda Biden versus Trump, and
it's a sixteen Z that's there the name of their
podcast and everything they say, look right now, the war,
the race, you know how we have the arms race,
the nuclear race.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Who's going to get the bomb first? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Who is going to perfect who is going to take
the lead in ai?

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Mhm?

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
And they don't want it to be China. And let
me tell you something. You don't want it to be China.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Right, agreed?

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
You you can you cannot, you cannot want to go
to war with China. You cannot want to, you know,
counter signal and say, oh, China's you do not want
China to win the AI war, No you do not, No, no, no, no,
we have to win that. We have to win that.

(01:15:13):
These people have to win that because as bad as
it could be here, those people over there, the leaders,
the leaders over there, you do not want to get
their their ideology there. You don't want them having peak
AI technology, the kind of AI technology that can basically

(01:15:37):
disrupt the world.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Mm hmm. I mean that's a that's a huge point, Pete.
And and it's it's really important that you know, China
can be whoever China wants to be, and between the
Chinese people and then the Chinese Communist Party, I see
China as very transactional at that level. And I don't
think we need to have anockout, drag out, knock knockout,

(01:16:01):
drag out physical kinetic war with China for any reason.
I don't think we need to have a trade war.
I don't think we need to do any of those things.
And I believe that Trump that finally understands that as well. So,
but we do not want if we're going to live
in a world that's you know, AI and fake and gay,
then it better not be a fake and gay world

(01:16:22):
run by the Chinese Communist Party. I'm not I'm not
or Davos in Europe or Hell. I don't want the
Russians and running anything either. I don't want any of
these people, I honestly want It's Look, we're gonna get
to a point where it's gonna be their ais versus
our ais, and it's gonna be it's all gonna be
freaking Philip K. Dick's second Variety, like all over again.

(01:16:45):
And that's fine, but we have to understand our place
within all of it. I don't know, it's it's it's
a weird thing. This is a very weird moment in
time where everything changing as rapidly as it is. But
I really do appreciate you. You like laying it out
the way you have, and I know I brought you
to a point where you didn't want to go. But

(01:17:08):
you know, at the end of the day, I think
it's really important because being black pill doesn't solve anything.
It doesn't. It makes you and it not even makes
It takes you off the board. It takes you off
the game board. You neutralize yourself and it's and it's
one thing. If you don't want to be in on
the game board, I have no problem with that. I

(01:17:28):
remember when, you know, after Trump got elected, Mike Kreeger
Liberty Boots Creek formerly said, you know, I've been doing
this for a long time and I'm tired and i
just want to raise tomatoes and rais bar like and
everything else, and I'm shutting the bog down. And I
went and I publicly he said down on Twitter, and
I said to him, I said, back to him, I said, Mike,
thank you for your time and your service. Really appreciate
the work you've done. Go enjoy your life. About a

(01:17:53):
year later, he starts piping up on Twitter again with
shit and I'm like, dude, you took yourself off the
game board. You don't get the comment anymore. You don't
get to be that guy anymore. Go raise your tomatoes.
And you got angry with me. I'm like, you're at
a date. You haven't been doing this for a year.
You have no idea what's going on, and it's it's

(01:18:17):
not cool. I like, if you want to take yourself
off the game board, that's fine, Please do so. It's
get your life live in how you so choose Peter
Thiel and probably probably agree with you completely. Do you
think Klaus Schwap does? Do you think Bill Gates does?
Bill Gates wants to kill you, Bill Gates wants to

(01:18:40):
sterilize you. Okay, like this is not hard If I
have to choose between these two guys, I'm with you
indifference over hostility every day of the week, twice on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Yeah, no, I will say this. I'll give you the
links so you can provide them to podcasts. I would
recommend everyone listened to to get you're not going to
agree with everything. You're not going to agree with these people. Okay,
they have a different outlook on the world. But this
is who you should be listening to. The Moment of

(01:19:13):
Zen episode that came out five days ago, which is
this is the twenty fifth I think came out on
the twentieth with Belaji who's from the CTO of Coinbase
and YadA YadA, and also the Little Tech Agenda from
the Ben and Mark Show. Just their our hour and

(01:19:34):
a half hour and forty five minute podcasts. These are
billionaires who are telling you what they want, what they
want for the future, what they want to see in
the world. You can sit there and you can say
they're lying. No, they want they don't want me to
be a Komer anymore. You know, they want me to
come up out of my basement, and you know they

(01:19:55):
want to control me, and you know, turn me whatever
you want. You can say whatever you want. You can
just listen to them. See if you see, if you
see what I'm seeing. I'm not saying that, you know.
It's like I mean, i'd like to I'd like to
live in like Catholic Spain. Yeah, like the Golden Asian
Catholic Spain. That would be like the I'm not going

(01:20:17):
to get that. Okay, I'm not going to get that, Okay,
So I have to look for what's what I think
is best for me right now. I mean, they're putting
the little old ladies who pray outside of abortion clinics,
little Catholic ladies who pray outside of abortion clinics in
jail for eighty year old women in jail for three years.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Okay. They're hostile to me and mine as these people.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Yeah, I look at these people, these these tech people.
I most see that they're indifferent to what I believe
what I want.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
I think they just want.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
They want to build the kind of tech that they want,
and if they don't, it's going to be someone else.
And if it's like China or India or so, we
are fucked. We are fucked. Do you think it's bad
now think about China having the most powerful AI in

(01:21:12):
the world.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
That's right, all right. I will give Dexter White the
the final word here, which is to say, book folks,
we should not be arguing anymore about whether it's okay
to shout fire in a library when the library is
already mostly burned down. It's that's what we have to

(01:21:35):
realize where we are. So Pete, I really appreciate you're tying,
and he he wrote that, I don't know sometime last
year in anticipation of all of this. I really appreciate
you coming on today, really appreciate the frank talk when
a couple of places that we probably may or may
not have gone or should have gone, but that's okay.

(01:21:56):
I'm okay with that. If I did. If I wasn't, well,
you know there it is. I don't edit these things,
and I don't and everybody is here is the straight dope.
So there it is, and I appreciate the peach and
I appreciate you, you know, putting yourself out there because
the thing about it is is that when you're the
guy in the middle, you're hated by everybody. And if

(01:22:17):
you place yourself between two ideologies, both sides are going
to hate you for it. And that's okay. That's the
best place to be because that's when real inquisition happens.
That's when real thought and and and real you know,
new ideas crop up. So I appreciate you taking that

(01:22:38):
on that on that role in that part of the space. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
I always appreciate you, Tom, thank you, thanks for what
you do, and thanks for thanks for thinking outside the
box as well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
I think there are more and more people who are
starting to embrace that. But I think the quicker we
have more and more thinkers starting to embrace that. Then
can I add just one more thing real quick?

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Absolutely go right hand. You might okay, a.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Bunch a bunch of people on the right, and then
what they call them more dissonant right started changing started.
One guy started doing their profile picks, started making your
profile pick red and your eyes glowing. It's this this
dark maga thing started doing that last week. Within two days,
Mark Andresen was doing that, Elon Musk had done it,

(01:23:33):
had changed his pro file pick to this, And the
reaction that I got from people on the right was
They're just trying to infiltrate our space. I'm like, no,
they're reaching out to us. In my opinion, they're actually
reaching out to us. I know for a fact that
Tucker Carlson was listening to like hardcore far right podcast,

(01:23:58):
or at least his producers were, when he was still
on Fox News.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
I know, fuck Tucker Carlson was aping mine was getting
my talking points, and I was hearing them on Tucker
Carlson when he was on Fox News or Angraham I could.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
I'm not going, yeah, I'm not going to take credit
for this, but recently, Tucker Carlson has brought up the
Spanish Civil War like three times in speeches. I've been
doing readings of the Spanish Civil War on my show
for like the last month and a half. Sure, I'm
not saying I'm just saying that it's really odd that

(01:24:34):
I've seen Candace Owen's tweet stuff that is like word
for word things I've said on my show. Pete you
are listening. People are listening to us, Pete.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Our job is to throw pebbles down the mountain and
start the avalanche such that they don't even know where
the pebbles came from originally. That's the point, my friend.
The point is we are all living, breathing, walking, standalone complexes,
and we can choose. If you push the truth into
the zeitgeist, it will reverberate. Hell. I watched a guy

(01:25:11):
the other day, watched the video of a guy who's
standing off against Santa Rosa County because he's got big
Trump flags on his house, right, and he's being fined
by code's enforcement for having science like not as h
your a the county codes enforcement, And he's like halfway
through it, he's like, and I don't want no damn
money from GoFundMe because I don't intend on ever paying

(01:25:34):
the damn fine. I don't care if that's ungovernable to
me or not. I'm like, huh, good for you. I
don't care. I don't need the credit. I don't want
the credit. I just want the world to become a
better place. It's why we do what we do. It
doesn't matter, does not matter. We're not here to Jay

(01:25:55):
now here Jason Bain. Folks, we're here doing the job
because it's the only job we know how to do,
because we fucking care, and we're not going to be perfect,
and we're not going to always say what you want
us to say, or or you're going to agree with
everything that comes out of our fucking pie holes. That
doesn't make us hills for evil da Jore. It just

(01:26:21):
makes us people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
I mean, it's I've been This isn't me going, oh,
these people are saying, this is what people. Other people
are telling me. Other people are like, you have to
listen to this. It sounds like these people are listening
to you. And then we got I mean, we know
we found out for sure that Tucker Carlson what that
his producers were listening and reading all.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
I mean, it's like I said, I think I said
at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Jd Vance follows half of my mutuals right, I mean,
like half of my mutuals are I mean, and these
aren't guys who are like Republicans, These are like far right,
like pro Franco guys. Sit back, relax, Stop being black pilled.

(01:27:13):
It makes you ineffective. Try to come up with some
solutions on your own and tell other people, yes, you
could fail. That's what life's all about, failures, failures and successes.
And you know what, the failures are going to outweigh
the successes. Any venture capitalists will tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
That, and every failure, and every scientist will tell you this.
Every failure leads with five successes later on. But it
takes fifty failures to get one really lasting, great success.
All right, Pete, I'm gonna run. That was great. I
really appreciate it. You'd be well, we'll talk again soon. Well,

(01:27:50):
that'll about wrap it up for episode one eighty five
of the Gold Goats and Guns Podcast. I want to
thank Pekanones for u doing the thing and taking the time,
because I think it's important that you know, we look
at things a little differently, that we take the time
to consider what it is that we think we know
and then what it is that we actually know, and
make sure that our filters and our perceptions are properly

(01:28:14):
aligned with some version of reality. With that said, I'm
out and we'll talk gun soon. As always, you can
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Episode #185 - Pete Quinones and Why Indifference Trumps Hostility

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Episode #185 - Pete Quinones and Why Indifference Trumps Hostility