Episode #217 -- Stormy Waters and Navigating the Black Holes of Culture

Commentator Stormy Waters joins the podcast for a discussion on the nature of power, how it projects and protects itself in the context of the current political and cultural battle for mindshare.  A meditation on quantum mechanics, the culture war and how those things intersected to leave Donald Trump alive and now in power in the US.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hello, and welcome to the Gold, Goats and Guns podcast
for May second, twenty twenty five. My name is Tonal
l Ango. We have a lot to talk about. It
is episode two seventeen. And after the last four podcasts
where I had Koe Long and then Bring Johnson and
then Vince Banshee and then tying all up, tying up
all that kind of financial plumbing and the sabled coins

(00:41):
and all that stuff, we had Ian Berling game on
earlier in the week to kind of give us a
historical perspective on things. And now I wanted to reconnect
with a guy I met about a month month and
a half ago or so, Storing Waters is gonna be
with me here today. We're going to talk about things.
For all of these things that we've been noticing and
the way I think the world is fundamentally changing underneath

(01:02):
our feet from a slightly different perspective. And you and
I were just talking to trying to set up this
podcast before we started, and we're like, what are we
going to talk about? And the Stormy really did a
nice job of like throwing an idea out at people
to frame this, which is so much of what we
talk about is not necessarily can we see the direct

(01:28):
effect of we see the reflections of the movements in
the world, And I wanted to have him just kind
of expound on that idea as a foundation for the conversation.
So Stormy, thank you very much for taking time out
on a Friday afternoon after the market's closed and all
that stuff, and to shoot the ship for a little while.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
How are you happy to be here?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Very very happy, especially now as we have reversed all
of liberation days gain or losses, and everyone's gonna have
to you know, eat their tariff. Bad free market crow.
I am very much looking forward to all of the

(02:08):
conversations that I'm going to have next week with so
many people who thought the world was literally going to
end and we have just destroyed free market capitalism ideas
that they never like. The rhetorical device I just talked
about with you earlier that that's been really helpful for me.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Another one like that is like where these ideas come from?
We have a ton of ideas, and when we get
introduced to new ones, like foreign ones or you know,
things we haven't seen before, then in that moment we ask,
like where do these ideas come from, like whose ideas
are they? What are they about? But a lot of
the stuff that we have as our ideas, that kind

(02:52):
of we used to construct our paradigm. We never interrogate
the same way. Like particularly like I was having a
as I told you yesterday, I had to take a
quick trip out to to Texas to see something very
exciting that's happening in you know, in domestic energy production.
And right on the on the plane with the couple

(03:16):
with two dudes that were you know, longtime fund minutgers,
very successful guys, and I said to them, I was like,
with the topic of tariffs came up, and I said them, like,
where did this come from? Like where free free trade?
Like free trade being good, Like where did this this
come from? He's like, what do you mean everybody knows this? Like, well,

(03:37):
you just spent like thirty minutes talking to me about
how bad globalism is. Right, globalism, globalism, this globalists that
free trade is globalism. That's what it is. Fundamentally, what
you're discussing, what you're talking about is globalism. Free trade, right,

(03:58):
that's trade without borders and trade without anything to inhibit
the flow of the trade. Right, And The trade in
labor is as much a trade as anything else. All Right,
You get a paycheck every day with dear listener, or
every week hopefully maybe monthly, who knows, because you're trading

(04:19):
your labor. M So the free market is, in fact
the very thing that makes it okay for me to
ship your jobs to China. You can't get angry about
one or the other, really, because they are the same thing.
Globalism is free trade. But nobody ever examines those ideas.

(04:40):
Those ideas didn't come from nowhere, it really, They didn't
really come from Adam Smith all that much. Hmm, well
what did come from the Trilateral Commission, which is another
one of these black holes.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yes, now, just just to push back a little bag,
I'm going to like those like do Michael Libertarian, you know,
oh my god, getting the vapors over here. Well, what
I'm gonna say is the following. And I don't and
I don't disagree with you in in some aspects of it,
which is that I don't actually think we've ever done

(05:12):
free trade because when you have governments creating trade barriers,
when you have when you have them them, when you
have corporations and whatnot, and this is where I'm going
to sound a little bit of like a terrible leftist.
You have corporations being able to regulatorially capture, you know,
the flow of money and and and directed where they

(05:32):
need to through the point of a gun. Well, then
you know there's no free market about these things. I
think we I think we practice I think we're allowed
to practice like free markets within very very well defined boundaries.
Like I see it as like I see it as
we're we're all particles in a box created by somebody else,
you know. Being being a quantum mechanics guy, you know

(05:55):
I understand the first thing you you learn in quantum
mechanics is how to sew all for the motion of
a particle in a box. The problem is is that
these people were all just particles, and those particles are
just economic actors. But they've set up the boundary conditions
of what the box is allowed to be, where we're
allowed to be free traders and where we're not allowed
to be free traders, because those boundary conditions then benefit

(06:20):
them as they get the pull of fig off of
the motion of we the particles inside their box.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I don't fundamentally disagree with that at all. I actually
think actually America at its most successful time is exactly
what you're talking about. So, like, the thing about free
trade is free trade within a nation inside of a nation,
because free trade is very beneficial to the people that

(06:48):
are inside the box. So the number one question that
a sovereign has to articulate an answer is who is
inside my box? And are the people outside my box? Well,
there's other boxes out there, and at a nation state level,
economics is so much of what actually drives us is

(07:12):
not economics, even though you know some people will craft
whole political philosophies and like modes of being that are
crafted around economics. But economics is just a function of
what is just something that happens inside of a polity,
inside of a nation, and other nations can be fundamentally

(07:32):
hostile to you because those nations may want things that
you have, whether that be prosperity, whether that be territory.
Either way, the thing that controls the box that those
particles inhabit over there has fundamentally different understandings of what

(07:52):
it is to be a particle. You know, in existence,
the raison, debtri right, the purpose of life, and it's
a box's job to create and defend that historically. Right,
So my particles are going to live as they always
have lived, inside my box, and inside this box, they

(08:15):
are going to be as happy as possible. And the
thing that makes them that way is free trade inside
domestically the US. Like, what's really funny is that the
conversation is so twisted because everyone's like, oh, America was
most prosperous when we had super high tariffs. This is true,
But at the same time, we also had radical free

(08:36):
trade inside the nation, right, right, so you could and
this was actually a revolutionary act, right, So when Congress
was like, no, we're going to do free trade within states,
that was a very big deal. As you can see,
Canada doesn't even have free trade between its states. Yes, correct,

(08:58):
but you still need to defend your nation from people
that And this is the thing with Adam Smith is
a guy by the name of Frederick Liszt who's a
naughty economist you're not supposed to learn about. He is
the reason that that we had Maji Japan explode so quickly. Right,

(09:18):
So Maji Japan took a country that was literally you know,
dirt floor's huts all the things, and created an economic
powerhouse that if you were to adjust, you know, for
inflation and for industrialization, it's larger than China ever was,
like the industrialized Japan did it like no one ever

(09:39):
did it, at least in that part of the world.
And Frederick List was a guy that was so excited
that the US had finally stopped, you know, civil warring
itself into a you know, a rough patch. He left
Germany and basically stood on the floor on the steps
of Congress every day like yelling until somebody would listen

(10:00):
to him. And somebody eventually did, thank God. And this
is where you get America's Golden Age, all of the
subsidization of railroad infrastructure right right, all of basically the
from nine eighteen sixty to nineteen thirty, the US created
more wealth than any other nation has ever created in
the history of the world. And you can argue combined

(10:21):
the reason for that is we had we didn't let
anybody come in while our industries were growing and developing
and basically maintaining their strength. But inside ninety five percent
of every single good that a US consumer purchased was

(10:41):
manufactured from somewhere else inside the United States. And that
entire supply chain, right, So the from the raw industrial
inputs to the industrial products to the finished product was
all made inside of state. So you had rabid free
trade between all of these participants from the guy selling

(11:02):
the lumber all the way on down, but you kept
out competitors. And List pointed out that he goes, well, Adam,
the reason why List is so troublesome is because at
the time, in the eighteen hundreds mid eighteen hundreds, he
embarrassed Adam Smith and basically refuted Adam Smith, because Adam

(11:24):
Smith sells wealth of nations as this is look at
the British Empire. We got here by free trade. We
are the world's economic superpower. And they were. And List
pointed out, he goes, well, hear you say that, But
what you're describing is the economic policy that the British

(11:46):
Empire has with all foreign nations and most specifically with
all of its colonies. But the home island itself, where
all the wealth is and all the industry is, is
the most protectionist state in the world, and most specifically
the most protectionists in the European continent or you know,
in Europe in the West. So basically Adam Smith forgot

(12:12):
to say that, Yeah, protection isn't at home, but free
trade abroad. Right, So all of the colonies, like all
of the states, had rabid free trade amongst each other. Right,
So anywhere in the British Empire could trade with anywhere
in the British Empire, you know, without inhibition or incumbrance.

(12:35):
But anybody that wasn't a part of the empire, like
let's say that had opposite or opposing interests, like the
French Empire and the Dutch Empire, which were very significant
at the time. They weren't slouches. They did not get
to trade for free. Like the free trade was like
a prize, right because of the prosperity it creates, Like
this is my prize for my people. They get to

(12:57):
do this. You don't get to do this, which I
think we lose in the whole world of in economics,
especially as economics as politics is okay, what is the
purpose of politics? The purpose of politics can't be economics,
So what is it? And the purpose of politics is

(13:19):
you have your people, these are my people, and you
have basically their interests. And amongst their interest is not
just quality of life and things like that, but history culture,
Like it's a it's a government's job to perpetuate the
people that are rules over into perpetuity into the future,

(13:43):
like you guys, you guys are still going to be
here for forever, and I'm gonna you know, you elected
me or you know, I'm the king to make sure
that doesn't. You know. Ever, Ever, change and economics is
kind of just a part of that, but also so
is geostrategic needs, which I think you popularized to great effect.

(14:03):
Nobody ever looked at economics and geopolitics as the same thing.
But now we live in a very risky world and
you're kind of forced to yes's what's more influential on
oil prices next year or this year? Is it the
millions of individual discrete transactions between buyers and sellers, one

(14:27):
side hoping to get the most value for the lowest
amount of money or the lowest amount of the highest
amount of value, and you're saying, or I'm tired, or
the geostrategic needs of Vladimir Putin's Russia which one's more important?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Or the geostrategic needs of a globalist captured American government
that's taking their orders from an energy starved European colonialist
banking sector, which is where I've wound up. Now those
points are all of those points are very very well considered.
One of the things that's interesting about the way the

(15:06):
framework we've just we've just put together here well as
listening to you talk, which is that you're correct you
have protectionism at home, radical free trade within and allowing
the allowing our trade partners to invest inside and then
or worse, this is where the governments have gone wrong.
This is why what we call free trade now really

(15:29):
is globalism. Is because we've allowed certain aspects of our
society to be broken down by allowing foreign investors to
buy access to direct access to the labor of the
people inside the country, i e. Through the sovereign debt.
One of the first things you go back to your
basic quantum mechanical thought project, which is the article in

(15:53):
the box. When you solve that using this roading your
equation the Hamiltonian operator, you solve hsie equals e side
for a H for that particle in the box. What
you find is that a certain percentage of the time
the particle resides outside the box. This is known as
quantum tunnel. So to extend on so to extend our

(16:13):
metaphor just slightly. What I'm actually saying is that if
you even under the best of circumstances, some of the capital,
some of the labor, some of the of those people,
some of the behavior is going to leak outside the box.
And that's fine because that's that that's that's what makes
in a sense, that's what creates, you know, a globalized system.

(16:37):
It creates relationships around the world, certainly metaphorically now that
we extend the metaphor. But when you will trade, yes,
not global right, Global trade is one thing, not globalism
is completely different. So what they've done is to break
is that at as they broke down the the box

(16:57):
which is supposed to have you know, these are it's
a box with walls of infinite energy that the the
that that the thing can't that the particle can't get
out of, but somehow it does anyway, which is the
fun part. So what makes Wanto mechanics fascinating, by the way.
But what they've done, of course is that they've lowered
the barrier. They've lowered one of the barriers, one of

(17:17):
the walls of the barrier to get allowed them allow
somebody else to get in and start sipening the energy
and start sipening the Yeah, surely the energy out of
that system and into their system. And that's I guess that. Okay,
look at it that way, and I think the the
the the system really is wealth extraction through debt and

(17:40):
obviously debt slavery and and it's through this centralized taxation,
centralized debt issuance and then the destruction and then backing
the currency with the quote unquote full faith and credit
of the particular country. You know that we're dealing with here.
But if you want foreign investors to come in and
buy that debt, what have you done? You've set up

(18:00):
a dynamic where they're getting paid extract and then right
they're getting paid an interest. They're getting paid a big
an interest rate on my labor.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yep. And then you outsource the labor. So this is
the and they not the labor. Yeah. The crazy thing
is is that Mike like Putin has proven and for
the longest so money is never going to make anything.
Money is sterile in and of itself. It doesn't actually

(18:30):
do or make anything.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
This is this is what screwed up the British aristocracy
so much because in a if you live in an
isolated box and you won't like you're it leaves you
your immune system open to certain types of ideas. So

(18:53):
like when the reason like that that the British aristocras,
see it got kind of de throne when so you
had like the po're talking about sixteen hundreds, all right,
so you had the the beef between this is like

(19:17):
you know, back when interest was still very very frowned upon.
You know, it was very unchristian thing to do. So
you basically had a warring group between Jewish bankers in
Italy and Jewish bankers in Germany. German ones ended up
being successful and actually you know, kind of largely displaced

(19:38):
the ones in Italy. In Italy, so they just displaced them,
you know, you know, their ability to lend across the
European continent. They also did it in Italy and they
ended up branching out. Everybody knows that the story like
of the roth Childs first making their entrance into England.

(19:58):
But the aristocracy, the aristocracy has to be apart from economics,
and this is what was never spelt out. So aristocracy,
the reason that you aren't an aristocrat, why you get
these special privileges. Why the noble gets to live in
the nice house is because the noble and all of
his sons, right, their reason for being is to protect

(20:22):
all the little people that live in their manner. So
if you go to England still and really all across Europe,
you see these grand houses, and you see these little
towns that exist around the house, that's also all there
to support the house. Right, So that house being there
allows a reason for a shoemaker to exist, and for

(20:46):
a blacksmith to exist, and all of these other ancillary
things in service of the estate. Basically, the lord being
there allows a whole bunch of small businesses to kind
of pop up in and around him. And the reason
they pop up around him is not just to service him,
because but it's also safe. He gets to be the
aristocrat because he and all of his sons are expected

(21:07):
to go out there and kill and or die to
protect those little people there. So the aristocracy all throughout
Western civilization has been a martial cast. And the thing
about martial cast is they have honor cultures. Right, So
the reason why we like idolize Lord of the Rings,

(21:28):
why we idolize all the basically, whether they are real
world historical accounts of chivalric orders, or you know, episodes
in history that the individuals were basically exemplars of chivalric value,
or you know through fantasy and C. S. Lewis and
guys like Tolkien. It's really just really the Lord of

(21:53):
the Rings is a love is a love letter right
into the chivalric culture of European society.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Mm hm, So I would, I would argue, I would
actually argue of English society.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I agree. I didn't want I didn't want to be
that specific, but it is one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I think it's very important, especially in the light of
the way I actually story. I'm I I recommend highly
that you sit down and chat with our mutual acquaintance
in Berlin game on this. He will make the distinction
between British and English society. And I know, for example

(22:33):
that Tolkien absolutely idolized the English. You know what is
today known as Little Britain, that the pastoral English countryside
wash and he was a royalist in every way, and
it's very important, like make what's that he was also.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
A language expert, particularly in like absolutely Welsh and Celtic
MM basically Middle Middle cel Middle English or Old English,
Like most of the the very the fantasy languages used
by the inhabitants of Middle Earth are derivations of either

(23:15):
Celtic or Ancient Welsh, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah,
one hundred percent it was Britain or England, whichever England is.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I think in England we're gonn I'm gonna get I'm yeah,
I've been. I've been tasked by a variety of people
to tighten up my rhetoric, and for good reason. And
I think it's fair that we're now going to make
the distinction distinction certainly here between English and British, because
British is the are the are the ones that have

(23:45):
been that were co opted, what with the takeover in
sixteen eighty eight of the crown and moving in William
Orange was Dutch and YadA, YadA, YadA. So which is
which is getting to the point that you were making
about how they how the Venetians and the Dutch wormed
their way into English society. And and because the English

(24:08):
lords like these weren't these were martial people like they
did combat, so it's very easy for them to be like, hey,
I will give you this large sum of money right now,
for this estate that only produces a small amount of
money every year. Obviously this amount is larger than the
small amount your estate puts out every year. Think of

(24:28):
all the things you can do with this money, right,
and it seems like a very good deal. Except for
Tom and many of you listeners know assets are always
more valuable than money, yes, and they didn't know that,
so you basically got the indentured based debt, slavery and

(24:49):
or outright like you know, foreclosure of a lot of
British aristocracy and the martial culture, the chabalric culture was
basically kind of stripped out of the society because whoever
holds the aristocratic positions in a society sets the culture.
So if you make an aristocracy of people that only
value money, you will have a culture that only values money.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Right. Consumerism is the fact of this, And I actually
see this in America today, Like if we're talking with
this conversation started before we started recording about about black holes,
and a lot of the stuff that Tom talks about
and I talk about are black holes. Right, So TELEVI like,
you can be an astrophysicist and you know, or a

(25:35):
cosmologist unless you're fake astrophysicist Neil the Grass Tyson, who
has never published a paper, by the way, nor been
cited on it. How are you a scientist? I mean,
a postdoc is trying to do that. Anyways, you should
pay attention to why why somebody really wants you to

(25:55):
listen to Neil the Grass Tyson tell you that you
are a biological robot in a meaning universe. Interesting but anyways,
oh no, please, please more sitting on Neil Neil fat Ass.
I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
We're now called Neil fat asque something. I can't remember
the what I called him the other day, but that's
my new name for him. And yeah, so's oh my god, no,
he's please.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
He's he's fake, he's not real. Creation and d D
I Carl Sagan, Yeah, another guy that published very little work.
So the guys that actually published papers, all right, that
actually do astrophysics and cosmology, they you know, some of them,

(26:40):
especially the ones that are particularly leaning on the physics side,
because what Tom is talking about a quantum mechanics is
actually a big fight in physics, because the physics that
works on the large scale, the Einsteinian physics what governs planets,
Black holes and many other things does not work at
the very very small, no quantum scale. They literally have

(27:01):
different rule sets, and I think really the problem of
physics in the last fifty years has been trying to
unify that. Yes, who knows if it ever will. I'm
leaning very heavily on the electric universe side of those guys.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Their work is good, I am. I think the gravitic
model of the universe does not work. It does not work.
And yeah, I mean to see you understand the story.
As an undergraduate. I don't know if you know about
me or not, but as an undergraduate I worked in
the with the high energy physics guys within the chemistry department.
We were doing foundational Oh no, no, I was doing

(27:38):
laser ablation and and form formation an ablation of of
transition metal rare gas clusters in the gas phase as
a twenty two year old, as an undergraduate working with
a man who was literally trying to define the thermodynamic
the thermodynamic bolt, where that limit is between the tauanta

(28:00):
system and the thermo dynamics system, where the bond enders
where that where that where those numbers? Yeah, dude, I
could have easily been a real like have you know
I could have if I chose my wife, If I
chose sorry the PhD over my wife, my life would
have been completely different, probably not as interesting, but and
certainly not as happening. Because oh yeah, no, I I like,

(28:22):
I don't talk about this stuff very often anymore, but
my understanding is pretty good at it. Yeah, I mean
I don't I don't mind talking about it, just doesn't
come up in conversation all that often, to be honest,
But you know, I mean I gotta ran about the ive,
got to rand about the goddamn British because it's more important.
Like but understand that, yes, that that that interface where

(28:44):
the quantum system ends and where the where we can
start using thermo dynamics, which is and and uh classical
mechanics Newtonian mechanics, where we can that that that interface
is a very it's it's quantified well eventually on a
system by system and on a part of on a
on a species by species basis. But you know, and

(29:07):
on a question.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
We were then while I have you to be terrible
listening for the listeners, but because you're you're well versed
in you know, classical and quantum physics and we just
brought up, like, how do you think the the the
electric universe, Guys kind of stack up when it comes
to the functionings of quantum on the quantum scale, right,

(29:31):
So is there a similar boundary layer between the two
states of physics.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I don't know that, you see, That's the thing. I
probably not. That's the thing. It's I think that's why
I don't like the gravitic model of the universe. The
more I think about is that I think that the
electric I think the the electric magnetic of the electro
magnetic version of the universe actually as much more holistic.

(30:01):
We don't have to deal with there's no there's no
fudging for dark matter or anything else. The energy is
all out there. We just there's a one model reviews
this to refuses to quantify it because their model doesn't
allow for it, and another one does. And so once
you're there, like like at the end of the day,
we could use quantum mechanics right to solve for you know,

(30:23):
a guy hitting a baseball that like my my undergraduate
advisor who's also my my physical chemistry professor said, came
in on first submit the first day of a second
semester physical chemistry and said we're gonna we start with
quantum mechanics. And now now this is gonna be hard
for you to getrap your brain around, very Pitholi, because
he said, look, the problem with learning quantum mechanics is
that we don't play quantum baseball. We play Newtonian baseball.

(30:45):
We understand billiards in this and everything else. But at
the end of the day, you right, and you can
use quantum mechanics to solve for a guy hitting a baseball,
but it would be fucking unbelievably tedious. We have better
models that work that this That the statistically average model
that we have for these billions of degrees of freedom

(31:08):
that exists within the within the system of a guy
hitting a baseball with a bat, like to to to
account for all those degrees of freedom when every molecule
or every atom has two n plus one degrees of
freedom and end is the coordinate position of each particle,
I mean, it's insane. It just becomes it becomes a

(31:30):
problem so mathematically tedious that it defies description. When at
the end of the day we can very quickly statistic
We can now we can use statistics properly to get
a first order a good first order approximation, but when
we really need to dive into specific interactions, no, we're

(31:53):
going to have to usequantum mechanics. And that's the thing.
So it's it, you know, the universe is fractic in
that way, or everything in that respect, like knowledge and
and and and and everything. You use the right tool
for the system understudy is really what it comes down to.
It's the same mass, but one is a statistically average

(32:16):
model of the other. And I know, I know some
of the cosmologists new audience will probably get angry with
me for saying that, and they probably have good reason.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Quantum mechanics is the most is the most accurate sets
of maths that we've ever produced. Its accurate to twenty
seven decimal places. You have to first or you have
to first engage with its accuracy. Yes, and then you know, basically,
and you know, I hate when people qualify their statements,
but when you're talking about the differentiency, you have to qualify.
This is insanely accurate. It's the most accurate thing we've

(32:45):
got at the moment.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Right, So, and it's also not saying that it's the
only that it's the final you know version of reality
that we're going to uncover. It is the best model
that we have today and we've used until until proven otherwise.
This is what we've got.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
And some very interesting stuff being declined coming out of
the Depentagon right now in the last five years. It's
another black hole that we're talking about, like how it's exertion.
So okay. So the reason I sent Tom and I
down a very very off topic rabbit hole is because
a lot of what we describe in our interviews is

(33:26):
is stuff you can't see. Neil deGrasse, Tyson or any
other actual physicists can point their telescope, whether it's a
radio telescope or a visual that doesn't matter, and you're
searching the sky for black holes like the well, that's
very difficult because you can't see them. M radio waves

(33:46):
or light doesn't matter. How do you find this thing
that you can't detect, Well, you look for signatures of
how it affects the stars around it. A black hole
will move things around it in an unnatural pattern, and

(34:10):
that's the signal that's like, oh my god, I can
see how I can see something is moving these these
stars around in this way that they're not supposed to move,
and I can calculate the divergence between how they're supposed
to move and how they're moving, and it gives me
an idea of how big that fucking black hole is
that I can't see, Like, oh wow, well, anyways, this

(34:33):
thing must be fucking huge. It's how actually we found
out that there's black holes at the center of all
of each and every galaxy. And that's what we're basically
talking about. Things that you can't directly see, and but
you can know that they are there if you look
for things behaving differently than they normally would, and if
you get enough of those fingerprints of how, okay, when

(34:56):
it's this thing that I can't see move around in
this type of way, and if it's this other thing
that I can't see, but I know both exist, right,
things move around in a different way. Right. So, like
everybody is talking about like Zionism and desion this influence
on the United States, Well, granted, yes, that ship sailed

(35:17):
a long time ago. You know, two different types of
Zionists control your foreign policy. Sorry, one has an ethnic
hatred for the nation of Russia since sixteen eighty and
pogram and Koleominsky and all that other stuff, which represented
eighty percent of the Biden administration's cabinet. So the priority
for the Biden administration's cabinet, at least the civilian part

(35:38):
of it, was conflict with Russia. So basically all that
infrastructure that was there from the Cold War, right, because
the system generally doesn't want the fucking US government is
so goddamn big, it is impossible for you to just say, oh,
we're going to do this today. But the reason that
the conflict with Russia was so easy for a very

(36:00):
small group of people to you know, grab a hold of,
is because the system was already set up for war
against the Soviet Union. Everything was already there, ready to go.
And a similar thing in the Middle East, right we
did the war on Terraffor, like all of those guns
are pointed in the same direction already, It's not very

(36:23):
difficult for people to have outside outsized influence a small,
organized minority, but always always beat out a unorganized majority.
This is the problem inherent with democracy, by the way.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
But anyways, well, what it's what's interesting about what you
what we're literally talking about here is and again these
are geograph These are geopolitical black holes. When you see
somebody acting outside of their normal they're what they should
how they should be acting. Why why is the president
the United States's not acting in the best interests of America?

(37:02):
These are very simple questions you ask yourself. Well, clearly
it's because there's outside influence, you know, forces acting upon them. Well,
you know the way I like the way I like
to make this point like unbelievably clear to everybody. Real
bankers don't have Wikipedia pages. Yes, you don't know who

(37:22):
these people are. When people ask me all the time,
well who is Davos, I go, well, Davos are the
people that we don't actually know their names of why
because they don't allow themselves to be found. When I
was talking Tom Burling game the other day, one of
the things that we we started discussing was the the
unseen layer of how capital moves based on these old

(37:45):
relationships between families and between companies that go stretch back
to three four hundred, five hundred years. And you know,
we get a glimpse of this stuff when we watch
like a James Bond movie, right, and there's all these
dark financiers and these and these evil people like the
chief from from Casino Royale as a classic example in
many ways of this type of person. Multiply that by

(38:09):
one hundred, you know, by five hundred or one thousand people,
and you realize that there are old institutions and old
relationships out there where billions of dollars can move and
influence politics. But you'll never but there are three, four
or five steps removed from the people actually implementing the policy.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Well, I mean everybody, everybody could see this, everybody, every leftist,
we can think every every leftist will say, oh this
the CEOs. We got to get the CEOs. CEOs are employees.
They're employees, are board members, right, and the chairman of
the board is the person that's actually the boss. But
is he really Well, if you look at a board,

(38:49):
if you look at a board of a major company,
you will notice that most of the people on those
boards will be lawyers mhm, right. And I have had
to serve on a bunch of boards. I know tons
of people that you know, when not tons, but I
know a handful of people that are too busy to
serve on boards. Right. So what they do is they

(39:11):
have their attorney go and because the attorney has a
legal relationship to always act in their best interests. So
especially if you're like a large family. Right, Let's say, uh,
you know these five siblings, they own collectively x amount
of shares. Well, none of them really give a shit

(39:32):
about this particular company, right, so they will have especially
if especially if things are held in trust. If things
are held in trust, the trustee will then appoint an attorney,
and the attorney will vote and act on the board
in their best interests. So even the board people are
generally proxies for someone else. But then you get some

(39:53):
interesting bits like let's say Jamie Dine and this is
how this is why guys like Elon Musk and guys
like let's say Jamie Diamond, why they stand out in
a very rare instance, the guys like Henry Ford. In
a very rare instance, someone will build a large amount
of wealth in a company, or they will build a

(40:14):
company that creates a tremendous amount of wealth, and that
company and them will have a tremendous amount of influence
in society, right because they never sold their shares. Right,
So the people that the person that is the CEO
is also the chairman of the board because he owns

(40:34):
that many fucking shares. Right, Elon Musk gets to be
CEO and chairman because he owns that many fucking shares.
Jamie Diamond gets to be CEO and chairman because he
owns that many shares. You are actually seeing the power,
and this is like with Putin. Nobody in Russia is
has any illusions of who is in charge. The problem

(40:57):
with doing any type of foreign policy with then of
America is you don't know who's actually in charge. And
small groups of people like that. They that is the
realm in which they choose to operate because it is
best suited for them. And they're whether they're ethnic, means,
religious needs, whatever, the dividing lines of the faction is.

(41:22):
This group is better served when nobody knows who's in charge.
But then there's another type of government or another type
of power structure, where you call it. Machiavelli described them
as lions and foxes. Lions and foxes have to govern
different types of ways. If you're the guy in charge
and everybody knows you're in charge, you have accountability, but

(41:46):
it also gives you an authority. Right, Vladimir Putin can
wield the ship of state and can call up armies
and do all the things, and Russians will do it
because that guy has the authority to do it. Have
you ever noticed that the US, particularly in the last
two decades, has had a really hard time justifying its
use of martial force in any capacity. It has to

(42:09):
justify them under moral grounds or we have to save
democracy or freedom or whatever, because there's no guy that's like,
actually has the clout to say, like Stalin didn't have
to do that. Stalin was like, we're doing this today.
Everyone's like, Okay, we're doing this right. Lions get to
rule one type of way. Foxes have to rule another

(42:30):
type of way. But Jamie Diamond owns that many shares
to Tom's point. When you look at that institution and
you look at that guy, you're actually dealing with the guy.
You see the guy, and with the US, unfortunately we
have a even Donald Trump is not the guy. We
have fighting black holes. And this is why it's so

(42:53):
difficult for people to get their fucking heads around what's happening.
And not because they're dumb.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
No, it's not because they're done. It specially hard figure.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Out why Donald Trump didn't get assassinated before he declared
his reelection bid. Why if you have a problem with
Donald Trump, and Donald Trump's a threat because they're actively
trying to put him in jail, the raiding ma Rolango.
You know he's going to declare, right, and when he declares,
you know he's going to be the nominee, and then
assassinating him or bumping him off like then that's it.

(43:26):
Once he's a nominee. Now you're affecting the electoral process
with your action. It's going to get so much scrutiny.
But Donald Trump, the private citizen, Donald Trump can have
If Donald Trump had an accident in twenty twenty one
or twenty twenty two, that would have been a big deal.
It would have been a terrible deal. It would have
been very, very bad. But Donald Trump, the political candidate,

(43:48):
if he had an accident, it's an assassination. I could
not understand how this dude was alive after he left
office in that three year period.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I was like, well, I can actually yeah, no, I
can actually make a very strong point as to why
I know they kept they kept him alive for well,
someone one there was a faction that was keeping him alive.
That's one, the same same faction, faction in fact number one,
the same faction that brought him to office the first
time he was keeping him alive. That's one because that

(44:23):
faction is the same faction that put Jerome Palell at
the Federal Reserve and John Williams fed and blah blah
blah blah. That's that's one faction and the other the
other faction, which is why it was primate facial evidence
that the faction that we're fighting isn't nearly as strong
as it used to be.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Right now, again we're looking at the reflections of power
here and then the uh and then once he becomes
the nominee and he's campaigning and they have their plan
in motion to then use Canada Trump as a demoralization,
a tool for demoralis. That's when they took a shot

(45:02):
at him in Butler, Pennsylvania and they missed. And I'm
I do I do not in any way, matter shape
or form at this point say that that was faked
or this is that these people were impossible. That's all bullshit,
that's all non.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Somebody knows what happened about guns knows that's impossible, right.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
It happens they miss and guess what. Then they were
scrambling and then they were on their back foot because
they had their plan. Their plan was Nikki Haley versus
Kamala Harris and d.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
N the RNC that that year. I remember watching the
RNC and everyone's like, why is it a bunch of
Indian women? Why is it Indian women singing? Why is
it Indian women doing this?

Speaker 1 (45:49):
They dropped to be alive.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Exactly exactly, well, because funny enough that we're actually about
to nominate an Indian woman. So this, all this, all
this bullshit was supposed to make a lot of sense,
and now it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
No, now it doesn't make any sense. And now that
have you ever looked at the board of JP Morgan Chase? No,
actually I haven't.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
You should. Okay, I want to like not talk for
a second.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Well you do, No, No, let's go ahead, Okay, let's
go ahead. Here.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
You know, all they're all individuals that seem to be
Pentagon adjacent, really not civilian intelligence adjacent. But it's an
awful lot. It's very interesting, all right. And I've shown
this to many, many people because there's certain groups of
people that will say, the thing I get the most

(46:39):
is that, like there are idolators in a way, so
people that think Zionists control everything, and if anything happens bad,
it's because they want it, and anything that happens good,
this is just because they're setting me up for something bad. Right, right,
So you're assigning to a group of people omnipotent power. Yep, right,

(47:05):
there's nothing that happens that they don't want, and there's
everything that happens is because exactly they planned it to
be exactly that. Well, the only type of entity that
you could describe that power to is God.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
So you are telling me, in fact that you are
the biggest Zionist and they don't like that one They
they don't like that at all.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Not while I'm drawing on my cigar. But you said,
you know, I don't have to say something that funny
when I'm drawing on my cigar. Kill me.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
If power is real, then de facto competition for that
power is real. And if there is no competition, then
the power isn't real. And the if you look at
Donald Trump's twenty campaign points, his twenty policy proposal points,
whatever that Karl Harris didn't have any you can literally

(47:57):
go through with a highlighter you can get you get
three different color highlighters and you can just go through
and be like, ah, this is this group, this is
this group, this is this other group, right right? And
I see military industrial complex and I see oil in
that gas. Everybody forgets that the oil boys in Texas

(48:19):
are perfectly capable of putting them in the fucking White House.
I'll let George Bush. Yes, I said, four highlighters, and
you're good. You've got millet M. I S. You've got
the Texas oil boys M. And you have the tech bros.

(48:40):
And you have US Finance.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yes, And you can literally.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Go through those policy proposals and highlight in every single
one of them will be a agenda point for each
one of those groups. Right. So Larry Johnson is and
very Larry john is a very good guy. And not
just because he's a guest on Judgement Politano A great dude. Yes,

(49:07):
he is the same same. He's about as good as
a human being as you could get. And Larry, one
night he and I were talking and he tells me
about the technology gap in missile defense between the two
and really the thing that kept the conflict dyad okay
between the US and Russia. Right. So basically why the

(49:29):
Cold War never went to blows is because we were
Our offensive capabilities were matched by their defensive capabilities, and
our defensive capabilities were matched to their offensive capabilities. Right,
no one could get any No one could get a
one up or a first strike to completely wipe out
the other. Right, this is the mutually assured destruction thing.

(49:49):
It's actually mutually assured missile defense and mutually assured missile offense. Right.
And this is how you know that George Bush was
wasn't necessarily a bad dude. Nine to eleven had hijacked
his administration because if you look in the early days
of the Bush administration, so you have from the time
he was inaugurated all the way to September m hm.

(50:12):
You read anything in the news, and you read just
read anything that was coming out of the White House,
anything that was coming out of the media, which they
controlled back then too. Those nine to eleven urban moving
systems guys, I believe one of them, one of them
said in their statements to NYPD when they got arrested,

(50:33):
the ones that got caught with the band and all
the four at Ryan Dawson details it. They literally say
in there, soon we will control your media, or soon
we'll soon, we'll as soon we will buy up all
your media, which I think is a very dumb thing
to say to the NYPD on that particular day and
then repeat to the FBI.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
But anyways, it's funny. Now my cousin.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Actually worked in NYPD on that day.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah, he was NYPD, he was emergency served. Is he
actually worked the crime He actually worked the and the
New York City bombit investigation.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Oh did he did he get did he get like sick?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
No? No, no, no, he's he's he's he's Oh jesus, yeah,
and no expost factough. I mean, but I know that
he was involved, but at some level I have never
really like talked to him directly too deeply about it.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
But every single freaking every single thing the newspapers, the
MAGA and the television was talking about was missile defense
the day, if you go right back before nine to eleven,
the number one priority of the Pentagon, And he literally
said it was the Strategic Defense Initiative numeral. You know,
it was missile defense. Then nine to eleven happened, and

(51:46):
we got basically sidelined into the Middle East for two decades.
The problem is is that the very beginning of the
George W. Bush administration, he got out of the which
call it the strategy whatever. The missile Treaty was that
we won't build any more fancy missiles a particular type.

(52:08):
We didn't get to do missile defense because we fucked
off in the desert for twenty years. But the Russians
they did. So we have a whole bunch of useless
technology that we developed about how to defend them from
IEDs and dumb shit. But the Russians have next generation

(52:30):
missile and anti missile technology. This basically puts the US
in an actual strategic and tactical disadvantage. And if you
look on that twenty policy proposals of the Defensi administration,
you have Donald Trump and it sounds really stupid the
way he you know, Donald Trump is like a A

(52:52):
is a one liner machine. Yes, so you have to
like read it very very deliberately. Everyone thinking like, oh
he like what is he talking about? Or this sounds dumb,
take it very very literally. So he references things that
regular people will understand, and then Indexes attaches those things
as a metaphor to something that is very serious. So

(53:15):
he will say iron Dome for America. I believe that's
number like fifteen or whatever on his list of the
twenty policy proposals. What that actually means is Star Wars
two point zero. We are well behind on well the
hypersonic missiles is just the tip of the fucking iceberg.

(53:36):
But when he's saying iron Dome for America, what he's
saying is we are going to dump a metric fuck
ton of money into defense technology because we are actually
behind the eight ball when it comes to defense tech.
Our armies and our military is very, very large and
larger than anybody else's. But if the tech is behind,

(53:57):
then the strategic advantage gifts. Right. Then you see energy
independence again, and then you see and this is why
Marc Andreesen and a bunch of others are always talking
about drone tech, robotics and always in the element of defense. Right.

(54:17):
And we've seen the missile defense thing come to light
full force in Ukraine really and then also now in
the Red Sea. But you can basically outline each one
of these factions, and then you start to see in
certain areas like JP Morgan, they overlap, right, So in

(54:38):
JP Morgan's board, the Pentagon types and the Okay, another thing,
one of these black hole moments, I think actually it
was you or one of your guests to point it
out once, was that, you know, Biden goes to Poland
and says, this time next year, we're gonna you boy
to speaking to US troops. Time you time next year,

(55:01):
you boys are gonna be in Ukraine. And then the
very next day, someone from the Joint chiefs spokesperson for
the Joint Chiefs of Staff who you never hear, you know,
you never see on fucking TV, joints to staff, right,
you really like you'll see retire generals, but only certain ones. Right,
So a couple military brass types straightened me out on

(55:27):
the different types of generals, and basically the ones that
like we have literally like bullshit, you know, make work
generalships now, and those are the ones that always end
up on the television shilling for various defense contractors. But
the actual Joint chiefs of Staff you fucking never see.

(55:47):
So a spokesperson for the Joint Staff coming out and
saying everything that the President said yesterday was bullshit. And
then the very next day, the spokesperson for the White
House comes out and says everything the President said the
day before yesterday was in fact bullshit. I was like,
I've never seen that before. That's very interesting. Something weird's happening.

(56:10):
And you're watching as this, as this Ukraine thing plays out,
you get the distinct impression that part of the US
government very much wants to go to war with Russia
and another part very much does not.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
And we saw the exact same thing in the Obama administration.
Obama wanted to go to war in Syria, yep, right,
and he was working with the CIA and m I
six to do this. Gray Zone did some great reporting
in Syria was in fact white hats, which you which Israel,

(56:49):
the US and m I six or sorry, US intelligence
were funding. And it was the white hats that did
this chemical gas attack. And that was supposed to be
the the cassis Belli to give Obama basically the go
ahead to go invade Syria, and the Pentagon did not

(57:09):
want to go. So what did the Pentagon do? All
you have to do do your listeners, type into your
search browser of choice Pentagon militia kills, CIA militia and
see what comes up. So the Pentagon was like, oh, well,
we don't want to do this. So they got a

(57:31):
bunch of militia people from the Middle East, train them
up in relatively short order. You could argue they're probably
already trained, swung by the Ammunitions and Armaments depot that
we keep in Saudi Arabia, which is massive, and hook
these guys up with the top levels of US military

(57:54):
tech and small arms, and they basically wiped out the
CIA masade in six a little pet militia people in
like literally two weeks. So the Pentagon basically contracted an
army and used that to wipe out the CIA's people

(58:14):
in the theater. That means that those two people didn't
have identical agendas. You can even say diametrically opposed.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
You could also go back to that moment in time
when Obama was putting the Coalition to the willing together
to go into Syria. Why that actually fell apart was
the Tories moved against David Cameron yep in the Parliament.
Because this is this is how I described the day
I became a geopolitical analyst was when my wife read

(58:44):
that headline off of the Drudge report to me and
I went say that again, and the Tories stood up
and defied David Camerons that we're not going to war.
So this was an expression of probably now this is
the Pentagon putting pressure on the on British Parliament to

(59:06):
go against the globalists, David Cameron and Barack Obama being,
you know, two sides of the same quote unquote dabogim
cooin that wanted this, that wanted this war in the
Middle East, take it back, you know again the things
we say.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
That's very interesting because Alex Kraner pointed out that the
North Stream pipeline and Nortam pipeline blew up. He did
a really interesting bit of analysis point out like that
Polish Minister of Defense person was actually like a scholarship
kid to Oxford.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Yeah, Radicks of Corseki, Yeah, was in this.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Very elite club called the Bollingdon Club. Bollingdon Club is
like skull and Bones and you have to be basically
pledged in. And the person that pledged him was then
young Boris Johnson. And there was only five I think
there's five members for every class or four members for
I can't remember. It's very small it's like twenty five
people at any given time, so from freshmen to junior

(01:00:00):
there's only four or five of each class here. And
funny enough, the other four people that would have all
had to vote and say, yes, we want this Polish
man with no academic achievements or no athletic achievements and
really no family achievements, this no name Polish person. We
would like them in our super special secret club please.

(01:00:21):
Were one young David Cameron and one young Natty Rothschild, who,
funny enough, would later go on to own that very
very very poorly announced pipeline that went live from Norway
to Poland on the exact same day that Nordstream blew up. Interesting,

(01:00:45):
you can't make us shut up right now. The colleges man,
they're important.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Yeah, No, the relationships and which is really funny, and
they remind you, and then to remind everybody that was
because of that vote that Cameron lost and the and
what happened there is what set us in motion for Brexit.
In order for Cameron to stay in power, he had
to promise the Tories at that point a Brexit vote. Now,

(01:01:16):
start to really think through what was actually happening here.
This now really validates Now you put now we bring
all this together, it really validates this whole, this whole
argument that Ian Berlin Game makes about the Dutch takeover
of the City of London and the Crown and everything else,
that this was the beginning of the fight of the
strike back from the old British, of the old English

(01:01:40):
aristocracy included led by Elizabeth, led to clean Elizabeth to
start the process of separating England from the European Union.
And that's why she brought Trump to That's why she
brought Trump in for a state visit. It's why the
fucking world lost their mind that this uncouth man was

(01:02:02):
going to meet with the queen, even though it was
a queen that invited him. For fox sake, like they knew.
This is all this all tracks, dude, this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
All Obama adew Afterwards, he said, they came back and
he purged the Pentagon.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Mm hmm mm hmm hmmm. Brilliant portant.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Obama continued, continued, purging all of the people. Yeah, yes,
but what did all those people do? And this is
my point, because everyone's like, oh, I look at the
Pentagon on TV and I just see a bunch of
faggots with pink hair and whatever. But then you hear
Donald Trump say, oh, I've got generals, not like those generals,

(01:02:42):
but I've got real generals. What is he talking about?
What is he actually saying? Yeah, well, all of the
people that President Obama purged didn't really like okay. So
the thing about the US military is something that's very
interesting is that a general basically rules over a sovereign

(01:03:02):
fiefdom right anywhere between you know, twenty to fifty thousand
people right that work just under him. He gets to
do whatever the fuck he wants to with, right and
he gets a budget that nobody can ask any questions
about or really what he spends it on. So a
lot of these black projects, these classified projects, as special

(01:03:25):
access programs there a general will basically run them any
like basically okay. So when everybody found Obama wasn't exactly subtle.
So in the process of him going around and basically,
you know, knocking on doors of the Pentagon and saying

(01:03:46):
you're fired, they didn't exactly just sit there and go, oh,
I guess I'll just wait for Barack Obama to come
down and fire me today. No, they took the black
the special access programs that they were already running in
their little fiefdoms and incorporated them as private companies. Right,
you have right after the Obama administration, during the Obama administration,

(01:04:09):
the amount of small privately held defense or defense related
or intelligence or intelligence related companies that spin up. Right,
all of the generals that were fired or purge and
really like guys like Larry Johnson were perched in the
Obama administration, right It really all of the good people,

(01:04:33):
I would say not all good people, but a bunch
were purged, right, and they just took whatever they were
doing in the military and threw an incorporation on it.
And right now I talk to friends that are, you know,
in special Forces, and they're like, yeah, the US military
can't do anything itself anymore. It's all of these private

(01:04:54):
contractors that do even some of the most basic stuff
to the most advanced and most top secret stuff. But
it's not like these are like, you know, entrepreneurs that
started these companies. The people that started the companies, the
people that are in charge of these companies are the
same military brass that were running these programs when they

(01:05:15):
were inside the Pentagon. So now, thanks to Obama, you
have this group of guys with an ax to grind
that are now have unlimited freedom right, so they have
their own you know, the president can't tell them what
to do. Nobody can say, I would like to request
this information, or I would like you to stop doing

(01:05:37):
this thing. No, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Mhm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
We basically took the guys that were working on the
super secret squirrel shit and now they are out on
their own, and all got pushed out for a similar
reason by a similar by the same people. And these
companies are now worth billions of dollars. So to not

(01:06:05):
recognize that as a faction of power, right, and why
guys like Eric Prince are now suddenly back on the scene,
would be very very foolish. And that's why I think
Donald Trump is still alive. Yes, right, and if you
look right right before October seventh. This is actually really
really funny because the two things that the Pentagon does

(01:06:27):
not want to do is the Pentagon does not want
to go to war in the Middle East. It actually
wants to extricate itself from the Middle East, and it
does not want to go to war, and particularly it
wants to extricate itself from Europe. Yes, right, we need
to get all of the particles back in the box.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yep, they tunneled out all around the world. They need
to come home. Agreed. Fascinating, I know, it's it's very clear.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Literally. And if you look type in like the US
military or Pentagon pulls out of Middle East, and then
set your search browser do custom search to before October seventh.
If you used duc duc goo, it's right up in
the top corner. Ductorico sucks. The index is better and
it's funny. All the free speech people should probably tell

(01:07:16):
me why I have to use the Russian search engine
to get fucking anything. But anyways, if you do a
custom search by date and you do before October seventh,
all you will see is every foreign policy and regime
fucking media screeching at the top of its lungs. Why
the Pentagon should not basically leaving in the Middle East
would be a disaster and right, well, if the pen like,

(01:07:38):
why are you all saying this? If Tom was like, hey,
store me, don't go to the store. Don't go to
the store to be bad at if you go to
the store back, well, I guess he sure thinks that
I'm gonna go to the store right right? Or why
are you saying this? You sound right? And every single

(01:08:00):
go like from Foreign Policy Magazine, Council on Foreign Relations,
National Review, just all of it. The Pentagon was planning
on pulling out of the Middle East right before October seventh, right,
And if I was Benjamin and Yahoo, that would put
me in a really precarious spot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Mmm, yep, it really was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
And who are the people who are the people that
control the LIQUD Party. For all of the people that
you know ran about Zionist as much as they do,
they actually have a lot in common with the average Israeli.
Right if I ask in Israeli, like what do you
like what's going on? Like what is your problem with politics?
Because trust me, they'll tell you if you ask them,
they'll say, oh, well, a bunch of Zionist billionaires in

(01:08:47):
America basically is strong arm or bribe the US government
into controlling my politics. Right right. Because the LIQUD Party
has less than a ten percent or it was like
eleven percent support, it's a coalition government, right right, It

(01:09:08):
had to make pacts with the actual like religious crazies.
So the COUD has dwindled down in support. And Benjamin ya,
who is the really the head of that political apparatus.
So he has very little to no domestic support whatsoever
off the electorate. The only people that really support him

(01:09:29):
support him through the US and via the US. And
which is funny and what really outrages is really used
is these people that do all this, they don't fucking
live in Israel. They don't want to. They want to
live in Las Vegas or Los Angeles. Like, Okay, so
you're going to stay over there and you're not going

(01:09:49):
to live over here, but you're going to spend considerable
amount of money and do Jeffrey Epstein type shit to
control my politics over here, to keep this guy in
power that has no support here the place that you
don't want to live. I can see them, everyone that's

(01:10:11):
basically talking about like APAX, Like you put those two
Americans in israelis together. Those group of people have a
lot in common. Their political problems are literally identical, right,
because it's really anyways, it's kind of funny because those

(01:10:33):
people that we're seeing, like everyone is noticing APAC has
way way, way too much influence on US foreign policy
and really US lawmakers, which is good because people should
start asking questions about dual citizenships. You will find out
there's a whole bunch of Chinese citizens in our Congress.

(01:10:54):
There's a whole bunch of Indian dual citizens. Really, we're
the only nation that does not make you. And really,
when you get into like the federal bureaucracy, it's even worse.
Oh yeah, Like somebody pointed out the other day that
eighty percent of the fucking judges in DC weren't born here.
I did. Almost all the judges in the DC Drift district, right,

(01:11:19):
are dual citizens or poohs. Because in the sixties we
thought it would be a good idea to let sunset
the fucking law that says you couldn't be a citizen
in any other fucking nation.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Well, because conservatives.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
That conserve nothing, Yes, right. I can go to a
conservative politician, pick one at random and say what is
an American? What does an American? What does he look like?
And they're like, oh, that an American could be anyone.
They could look like vivek Ramaswami here, the fucking IPO
scammer and or whatever, or they could look like they

(01:12:00):
could be a Chinese American. If I go to China
and I sneak up behind a Chinese guy and I
cover his eyeballs and I say guess who, and I'll go, oh, fuck,
it's an American. What image does that Chinese guy have
in his head?

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Right, it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Guy like Tom or is it like vivek Ramaswami or
some other things? So how is a Chinese guy better
at identifying who the fucking American is than everyone in
the GOP?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Sorry, no problem, because.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
We go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Now. We can't identify who belongs in our box and
who doesn't, and who the government people need to take
care of. And because of that, we have a whole
bunch of people in Congress with foreign citizenshipsan Omar gets
up when she goes to her home district. She tells
her home district a place full of Somalis. Don't ask

(01:13:01):
me how they got there. I'll get angry. She'll tell
you the Somalians. Hey, I am going to Congress. I'm
gonna make sure we're doing the I am representing the bestest.
She'll literally say, I am representing Somalia in her campaign speeches.
And I can basically go across the list. So the

(01:13:24):
problem with America is that a whole bunch of people
that are in the apparatus now are particles from other
people's boxes, and they keep opening up all the they
keep on opening up all the box and all the
money and the energy and the other particles fall.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
You're You're absolutely right. And that was a and that
was part of the that was always the plan. It's
always the you know, part of the late it's always
part of the late stage of the of the takeover
and the destruction, the liquidation of the country. We are.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
At there, We're.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
At the we're at that very perilous moment where we
can win this moment because now when you get to
the late stage of the of the process where we
are now, when you get there, that's when you can
have the potential for a critical mass of people to
actually understand what's happening. Now, you have to have the

(01:14:23):
right leader to be able to flip the tables. And
in the case of the United States, Russia is a
perfect example. I and I went over this yesterday or
the other day in the last episode, which is that
you know, Putin was brought in at the very last
moment by the oligarchs to stabilize Russia. She was brought
in in China at the at the last moment to

(01:14:43):
stabilize China and to ice in China's case, isolate the
foreign money and trap it there and then destroy it,
which is what he's done, by the way, and same
thing with Russia.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Don't you find it interesting that the European pension funds
were the only people like so basically the bureaucrats at
the ECB and in Brussels, nobody wanted to buy negative
interest rates suicide bonds. Sorry, why would I want to
buy that? You're gonna take money out of my bank account?
Like no, right, right, So they forced the European pension
funds to buy them. And so now everyone's pension in

(01:15:22):
Europe has been yielding negative. I mean Tom, Tom knows everybody.
A lot of sophisticated investors will tell you a pension
fund needs to pull down eight percent to just to
break even.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
So yeah, out of ten years in suicide bonds yield
ten years after suicide bonds, all of a sudden, asset
backed eleven percent interest Chinese real estate bonds look really
fucking good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
That's right, And and and here's the and the other
side of that is now you know why Christino Guard
is having to do yield curve control on the entire
European sovereign bond market as Jerome Powell was raising rates
all through twenty twenty two to twenty twenty four because
she was what he was doing was pulling everybody's bond
yields up, which is driving the brown prices down. All

(01:16:13):
of these bonds were put into these pension funds at
historically high prices, negative yields high prices, right, bond maths inverted,
So now these bonds are all underwater. Now all these
pension funds are underwater, and now all the banks are underwater,
and their balance sheets are all hollowed out. And the
Leguard has done And that's why Laguard and Yellen were
running a mutual yield curve control program on both the

(01:16:36):
US debt and the rest of and by extension, all
of your Europe's debt in order to keep this situation
from degrading further. What they also did at the same time,
and to do that, in order to run that program,
Yellen had to we had to run an unbelievable freaking
budget deficit and issuing all these bonds in order to

(01:16:57):
try and manipulate the yield curve, which is why she
issued all ones and twos, And now we're steering at
a staring at a massive funding roll over this summer
while Jenny Allen's fault in order to help Christina Leguard out,
who is now staring at?

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
And what did she do?

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
And what did everybody do? And what did Mark Carney
tell the Bank of England and the Bank of can
and everybody else to do?

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
I was releasing the SPR. Oh he's doing that too,
in order to get SPR to keep energy prices to
sort of stop inflation, to give the Guard the room
to fuck with the absol energy prices. So basically, energy
prices largest driver of inflation. Dear listeners, I'm sure if
you're a Tom listener, you already know that we were

(01:17:39):
keeping oil prices down to stop European inflation, to give
Christine Laguard a little bit more room to do exactly
what Tom is talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Now and now by and then over the course of
that time, by a fucking as time of American sovereign
debt in order to keep the cap on on on
European banials. I would watched this on a daily day
to day basis, and I'd watch her the some days
when she lost control of it because she's Captain German Nils,
and that meant that the euro had the crash, and

(01:18:08):
then they would reverse the trade here and there and
they would do all this stuff. So look, now we're
at that moment where you know, Trump is a fascinating
character because I know he wants he wants Powell to
cut rates in order to spur the next the spur
the wave of investment and get everything running again. But
he needs to but he also knows that he's got

(01:18:29):
a percent standing on his shoulder, going no, we can't
do that yet. Jerome's got to keep the interest rates
high for another so long until we finally can push
them into we can really set to push them into
crisis mode, which is now why everybody out there, everybody
listening to my voice right now, is wrong about the
Ukrainian mineral deal. That was a blocking move to keep

(01:18:53):
Europe out of fucking Ukraine for the next fifty years.
We own it, it's ours, and we're going to stabilize it.
We're going to not we're going to dismantle the This
Nazi Zionist fucking horseshit structure that they built there when
we're not going to war over it. Everybody is wrong
and Europe is being walled off and forced into a

(01:19:16):
zero collateral arrangement where they have they've declared war on
all their commodity suppliers. They've declared war on all of them,
Northern Central Africa, Russia, the United States, everybody, and all
they've been able to do is secure Canada for now,
but all the resource riches in Canada want to secede

(01:19:38):
and join the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
That's so funny because y'all lose. Watching the Carne election,
it makes you realize that because of how thoroughly And
I don't blame the boomers. I don't blame the boomers.
It's not their fault. If you grew up in a
time when news was only on the television for one hour,
there was only three channels, and for one hour they

(01:20:04):
all said the same thing, like the only your only
knowledge of the world was given to you by people
that hate you, and it's not your fault, right, right,
And the worldview, the music that you were fed like
all of it, You're right, the whole paradigm that was
constructed so it's not their fault. But what the reason

(01:20:24):
why I wanted to bring up the boomers is in
twenty twenty five, it is obvious that all of politics
is basically war against the television, right, because all of
the people in Canada that voted that guy in did
it because the television told them that Trump bad. Right,

(01:20:47):
So it shows you the level of programming to vote
so against your interest. It will actually, I don't know,
polevar is kind of a faggot to be honest with you. Yes,
so like you're going to try and run on the
conservative Donald Trump kind of asked ticket, but then go
to like the Indians and say like, we actually need
infinity more Indian immigration. Well, I'm sorry these people.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Canada is already forty four percent non native in the
first place. They've already been freaking replaced these people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
In five in less than ten years. I know who
you are a listener as a people matters, yes, right,
It shapes your whole worldview. The people that come from
different places have different languages. Right. If you notice when
the chips are down and everyone's like, oh, Stormy, you're mean,

(01:21:37):
or oh that's bullshit, and everyone will tell me. The
exception right, but not realize they're proving the fucking rule right, right.
Look at the mos, Look at combat mos in the military. Right,
So people not people that join the military, but people
that are willing to die. Those people, they're not ninety

(01:22:00):
six percent one kind of American. And this is the
problem that Britain is having. Right. So all of these
liberal illusions, all of these liberal ideas, right, they don't work.
And not only do they not work, they're insulting and
they should be insulting to you no matter where you

(01:22:21):
come from. If you are an Indian in America, the
idea that you would abandon everything of your cultural heritage,
you would forget your people, You would forget your grandparents,
your great grandparents, their faith, their values, right, the history
and culture of your people. You would just forget that

(01:22:42):
and say, I have no affinity and no love for
any of it. I am going to adopt this new
thing to be an American. Right, I'm going to adopt
foreign values, foreign cultures that were built by people that
weren't my people, my grandparents, my great grandparents, their faith.

(01:23:07):
To say that, you would expect for people to say
that they expect other people to be able to do
That is insulting to think that these people and themselves,
they don't realize that it's also themselves. To think that
all of your history, your culture, right, your whole paradigm

(01:23:29):
is so cheap that a person can choose to throw
it away when they cross toos lines is insulting. Means
you know very little about how people actually work and
what actually matters. Because well, frankly, Canada has given being

(01:23:52):
just ad A friend of mine said it beautifully. I
can't remember a non ethnic can consumption zone.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Yep, that's what they want. That's everyone, that's the model.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Yeah, they want an international air Well, yeah, it seems
that they are very very very for everyone just being
a big brown soup. Multiculturalism is anti culturalism, yes, right,
so if no, if every culture can come together, then
if every culture can just give itself up and then
just adopt a new culture, then no culture matters. Right,

(01:24:31):
So multiculturalism is in fact the death of culture, including
your own.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
And when it comes to like what Tom is talking about,
we're actually talking about you know, nations going to war.
Men don't die for ideas. They will die for ideals
with an L. And that's the problem that all of
these nations, except for nations that have maintained this natural

(01:25:01):
and national identity, they can go to war just fucking fine.
A Russian on the front lines in Ukraine will happily
lay down his life because the thing that he is
fighting for represents him and the sum total of his ancestors.
Like that means he is a part of something greater,

(01:25:24):
in a chain of being that stretches back far longer
than he can even measure, right, a type of collective consciousness.
But if you notice places like Britain, places like Europe,
and places like now like the US, those men won't
fight yep, why would you, Right, what are you fighting for? Like,

(01:25:47):
what actually are you even fighting for? So now this
cultural soup that someone has tried to make America is
now a strategic and immediate tactical problem for the people
in America that fight America's wars. Nationalism is the antithesis

(01:26:07):
of national defense. So if you're in the national defense business,
this is a problem. Yeah, it is, I mean not
just a fact all. Like you know, I talked to
a friend of mine who's as a former Delta Force guy,
and I was like, hey, man, all of this shit
about like you know, North Koreans beating the country. You

(01:26:28):
can sabotage and whatever whatever. I'm like, how much this
is just bullshit? And after like thirty minutes of talk
to him, I was like I had to stop. I'm like, okay,
I fucking get it. And he goes, do you And
I was like yeah. He goes, well are you worried?
And I was like, well, yeah, now, thank you. He goes, okay,
So you get it. This is a strategic and immediately

(01:26:54):
tactical on the ground nightmare. So I imagined that the
tech people are probably not big fans of the ending
of the H one B. I mean, really, it's criminal. Frankly,
we told a bunch of and young women that they
need to go to college, and if they don't go

(01:27:15):
to college, they they don't get a job, they don't
get a good job. But by the time they get
out of college, they've already had two financial crisises and
are settled with about two hundred grand worth of debt
that they can't even pay off. They can't even discharge
in bankruptcy, right, debt that's stronger than credit card debt,
debt that they signed up for when they were seventeen

(01:27:36):
or eighteen, most of the half of them not even
able to buy a pack of cigarettes or sign up
for the military or any of that shit. We expected
them to just you shoulder two hundred thousand dollars of
debt and not actually and fully understand what a compound
interest is, which they don't teach you in school anymore,
and be what non dischargeable means. And then by the

(01:27:59):
time they graduate they find out that these fancy jobs
that they went to school for have in fact been
taken on by h one b people because they can
pay them less. Ye. Right, If you make your system
a scam, no one will want to play.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I can tell you that, being the father of a
nineteen year old just entering the workforce, I know what
her ethos says. She knows it's all scammed, and she
didn't get it from me. They believe it or not,
she didn't. She just understands. They all do. They all
get it, and they're.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Not going nihilistic in a way and a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
But but I'm working on that. So but we're gonna
as a matter of fact, she's waiting on me for dinner.
So what I'm gonna do now, let's find it another
kick me off. What I'm gonna say, I'm gonna find
a graceful way to end this podcast, which is the
which is to say, this is great and it's been wonderful,
and we'll definitely pick it up again. The uh, this

(01:29:03):
is what we have to figure out, is what it
is that we are fighting for. I know what I'm
fighting for. I know what you're fighting for. And the
and I've told her that even if you don't agree
with all the things that are happening right now, because
you can't see the you can't see what we say,
it's incumbent upon me as your dad. Unlike the fucking

(01:29:24):
boomers who are like why should I give my Why
should I give my Why should I preserve my wealth
for my kids? Why shouldn't I spend it all? Like
what did they ever do?

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
They never liked the fucking kids in the first place,
So you know what a shock. That's the boomer mentality.
And and and I'll get news for you that was
that was part of the program as well. But what
I keep telling her is that as your dad, I
will fight for you even when you don't want me
to fight for you, because that's my job. And even
when you don't understand why it is, and I do
what I do, why I do it, and how I

(01:29:56):
do it and the positions that I hold, it's because
and everything I do is in service of that. She
does understand, and at the very the very minimum, I
know that she understands my sincerity, even if she disagrees. Three.
Archy is which is, which is all, which is all,
which is all to the better. It's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
So being a patriarchy is duty. Right, it's not privilege.
The guy that is in charge is only in charge
was because he is the guy that has to fulfill
the things that are hard. Yes, it's like rights. Everyone's like,
oh well, I have rights to do this and rights
to do that. Rights are privileges, right rewarded for duties.

(01:30:39):
Like you, it is impossible to have a right without
a duty. And parents, for instance, these are you have.
You have a duty, and as a citizen you have
a like And it's actually those duties that give you
purpose that being the guy in the castle does not.

(01:31:00):
Isn't fulfilling to the lord if you remove the peasants,
if there were no peasants in his little feet, them
then he would be without he would be without purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
His life would literally be pointless.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
So yeah, duty is is really a lot more fulfilling
than than anything else. Really, So I think I think
as a country we need to get back to that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Mm hmm. Agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Anyways, I will let you go to dinner and shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
No, we're all it's all good now, and I agree,
and uh, we're what we'll do. What we'll do is
we will pick this up again. But sorry, Waters, has
been a fascinating conversation. I've really enjoyed every minute of it.
And I'm glad you, glad you and I hooked up
and did the and did the thing, and we'll do
it again another time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Yeah, if you want to let anybody know what you
what you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Where you hang out and what you do, or you know,
you want to plug yourself in some other way, you
go right ahead and do so. And then we'll the
fuck out the door and we'll do that and we'll
pick it up again.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
I don't have anything to plug. I produce no content,
you know. I Actually, if you want to support me,
which is apparently what I'm supposed to say, please subscribe
to Tom and subscribe to his newsletter and support the
people that you actually trust, and you kind of need

(01:32:24):
to support them, right. The shit that's bad for you
is the shit that they try and give you for free. Right,
There's a reason why you can turn on the TV
and the news is just there. But you can follow
me at Norman Underscore, DoD New or just type in
Stormy Waters on Twitter and I'll be the first one

(01:32:46):
that pops up there. You go it really, it's not
hard to find it. But yeah, don't produce any content,
don't have a substack, don't have a podcast, but sometimes
I go on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Yeah you do all right man? As always on TfL
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(01:33:17):
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We'll talk soon. Keep your stick on the ice.