Episode #231 - Blaine Holt and the Strategic State of Play

Former Brig. General and Senior Foreign Affairs Contributor at Newsmax Blaine Holt joins me for a high level strategic talk about the state of play surrounding President Trump's policies foreign and domestic and how they interface with the overall arc of history.  

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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hello, and welcome to the Gold, Goats and Guns Podcast
for September eighteenth, twenty twenty five. My name is Tom
Along and we have a lot to talk about, and
we do and we will with my guests today, I
have it is episode two thirty one, and I have
with me the great pleasure of bringing in one of
my brand new friends that I met back in April
for the first time. Senior Foreign Affairs correspondent and contributor

(00:43):
over at Newsmax TV, Blaine Holt is with me today
and we're going to have a wide ranging conversation. But
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Speaker 2 (01:38):
Plain welcome to the show. So good to be with you,
my brother. Just a little bit about me. I am
recovering one star general from the Air Force. Okay, I
had twenty seven years of flying and multi command levels,
and then I went off of airlift and logistics into
a split personality of logistics that took me to my

(02:01):
seminal command in Kurdistan with a blinding revolution in my
face and Petraeus dealing with my PTSD to send me
to the Council on Foreign Relations as a senior military
fellow to write about it and convalesce. But I loved
the adventures of my life, and then foreign affairs China
and Europe have been my portfolios. And now I'm an

(02:21):
entrepreneur and building businesses, and I have skipped right over
the swamp and now I get to turn around after
my anger at Cobble and opine all about it.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well, that's a that's a great way of introducing it,
because actually that's not what we and I talked about.
So I met blamed for the first time up in
April in New York when I had when I broke
my boycott of the Staves of New York because I
don't like to give them any tax money. But since
I'll be honest with these, Newsmax was paying for most
of the trip, I didn't really feel that bad. I kid,

(02:53):
I kid no. At the news Max Ipo back in April,
I Chris Ruddy was kind enough to invite me up
there for the event, and of course, you know, thankfully
I accepted without any issue. But was interesting. It was
at the at the at the dinner the night before.
And now I'm for those of you who don't really
believe this, I'm unbelievably socially awkward and sid situations like that,

(03:14):
because when you're all signaling all noise and you don't
know how to do freaking small talk like I do,
you sit in the corner and you wind up looking
like the security guard. And so I'm standing there during
this This the opening is of this dinner and and uh,
you know, I have no one to talk to, don't
really can't find anybody from the newsletter division. You can't
find my my editor or my publisher. And then this

(03:35):
guy comes up and like, lu Ago, holy shit, big fan,
sit down, We're having dinner.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
And I'm like, oh, thank God. Inside I'm like, who
are you?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Great talk and I put this put.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
The armor on. But dude, I was like, it was
a funny evening at first. Off, the food was amazing.
The the other part was at our table, we had
Newsmax's Lydia Serinai and Carl Higbee, and I think about
three quarters of the way through the dinner, the two
of them were like, do you guys need a table

(04:11):
for two?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, and the immortal version of Rodney and Angelfield Tsher's
got a room.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Like I was like, it's time a longo. I've got
an agenda here. I want to shake that brain down
for all these things that I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
About, which I which I do, which I appreciated greatly
and just and it was a lovely conversation. It was
a lovely evening and I really enjoyed it. And interestingly
enough as that evening went along, and I said, I
say to you that I'm no good at small talk
after you went off to as you put it, press
the flesh, which is what you had to do, which
I appreciated I have.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I wound up.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Setting sitting up in the corner, having a couple of
coffee and eating dinner or eating dessert, and just watching
the room, hoping that eventually I would find, you know,
the guys from the newsletter division have a have a
sit and have a chat and get to and all
of that. And I wind up making small talk right
after the Mayor Giuliani, and he winds up sitting at
the table that we sat at, and I'm sitting next

(05:04):
to him and I'm behind him when Eric Adams walks
in the room and they have their little head of
tete like the good mob bosses they are, and I'm like,
that's really interesting, okay.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
And I sat down and I started.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Making small talk with this woman who comes over, and
you know, and I'm just like watching the whole thing.
And it turns out that I did a really good
job of this because that was Chris Brady's sister and
we had a lovely chat and you know, and all
of that, and I'm like, it was, it was. It
wound up being an incredibly successful evening for saying to myself,

(05:38):
how did I wind up here?

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Right? So great?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
It really was. It was a good It was a
really good evening. And and yeah, that food was amazing.
The food of the New York Stockey Change the next
day was.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Unbelievably underwhelming.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I'm like, Jude, you guys met all the money in
the world and you're serving me Landon in New York.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I did not so much like seriously like, yeah, real
breakfast burritos from seven to eleven that you shouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, thanks, you know, don't spend all that, don't spend
all that in one place, right, you know? It was
it was singularly underwhelming, right you know, I'm like really
so yeah, all right, So with all that out of
the way, so you guys understand where this relationship comes from,
because this is, you know, for all intents and purposes,
Blane's introduction to my portion of the my corner of

(06:28):
the universe, and that corner is you know, the warped
and and uh unbounded. Right, let's go, let's get a
let's just get a lay of the land, Like you're
mister strategy, right, that's your your your gig, your your
strategic and now analyst and whatnot. You tell me where
do you want to start? Like where do you want
to you know, what do you see the state of

(06:50):
the strategic state of play is? I don't care if
it's from the Trumpet administration or you know anything. You
take take a pick, go go to the thing, and
go to town man and enjoy.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
I think the best way to frame things as we
get going down some rabbit holes that I think are
fairly important right now is to kind of start with
the term World War forever, and it really has been
World War forever. We like to label things in buckets.
We love our retail versions of stories. You know, the
one I'm currently combating as gingerly as I can is

(07:21):
the Charlie Kirk assassination story. There's so much more there
and so much more to come. But what we find
ourselves in, I think, over time, is this battle between
folks in the dark who know they want freedom, know
they want self determination, self governance, but they don't know
who the enemy is. They've never known who the enemy is.

(07:44):
And even with sterling educations, in private preparatory schools in
our nation and being told and anointed that you're on
your way now to the very best college that we have.
You can get out of a Michael Porter business School
class at Harvard and still not know who's the puppet master,
who's controlling the strings. But where this world war has

(08:05):
gotten itself too, is what I believe is the animal.
It's the most dangerous place we could possibly be in
right now, and we really don't know the outcome or
the alternatives. I see strategies in play, but I also
and I see a population that is actually fighting like

(08:25):
hell to wake up and educate themselves. And I think
that's why you see the podcast industry just taking off
like gangbusters, because people understand when they're being sold to
Zouk a bubblegum. They just know it. Uh. And I
think COVID did a lot to shape a lot of people.
But then we just see outrageous things where it's like,
you don't even care what this looks like. You're just
selling us this narrative and you care whether we buy

(08:46):
it or not. So when I talk about World War Forever,
when we talked about who's in charge, who's who are
the players. We got to go ahead and get our
origami and well how nearby, just in case we have
to put them on. But this is the place that
has been intentionally constructed this way so that if you

(09:08):
go into that rabbit hole, we will castigate you as
a tinfoil hat guy. We will castigate you as a
conspiracy theorist. We'll always put the work theorist on the
back ass of that, because if it's if it's just
a conspiracy, then you're making an allegation. If it's a theorist,
now you get a tinfoil hat and you're not part
of the game anymore. So people say, I don't want
to be near that, or we call you a racist,

(09:28):
or we call you something else, and then reasonable people
are like, I don't want to be anywhere near that.
So so what does that mean who are the bad guys? Well,
people will go, I know who the bad guys are.
It's Hillary Clinton, it's the Clintons', it's the Soross, it's
those guys. And what I tell people is no, no,
that's middle management. That is absolutely middle management. And they

(09:50):
are on a commission only basis. And if you sense
that they're conducting evil. You're right, you're right, your intuition
serves you well. But but go higher, go hire, get
out of history book, go find stuff, and don't find
a McGraw hill history book that we were fed in
high school either, because that's not going to help you out.
You need to be into the depths of what's going on.

(10:12):
And again that's why here's here comes my shameless plug.
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anybody thinks. We just are going to say, hey, I

(10:35):
don't know how this whole thing ends up. But warning,
you might want to be a little careful with that
next mRNA product you pick up, or you may want
to be very careful with that CNN article that came
out to tell you what happened that day at Butler,
because there is a thirst for truth. And I think
we don't know how this world War forever is going

(10:56):
to come out, but I do think this is now
we're in a phase for all them marbles. Why because
this guy named Trump somehow, Uh. I mean, we can
talk about the Serbian operations going on, but somehow gets
himself back in to the White House, and he's the
great disruptor. Now he's not perfect. This is this is

(11:17):
as a strategist, I you know, and I'm not invited
to be in the inner circle. They do tolerate my
calls in my texts when I'm like, what are you doing?
But but but but he's the best we got. We
don't have a president Kamala Harris in so when we
all get mad, that cash says Epstein really did kill

(11:38):
himself in the in the jail cell. Okay, he killed himself,
what's next? Uh right? Right? We we we can get
angry tactically. But but what I would say is are
our champion man. He's in the thick of it. And
what I would argue is, while there's some rough edges
and things I worry about greatly, I don't like his

(12:00):
relationships with the tech oligarchs, but maybe I'll be proven wrong.
I don't like how he doesn't connect the medical stuff
to the five G stuff, to the blockchain stuff to
the CBDC stuff by the way, all that legislation that
was there to protect you is worthless, and we can
fight that battle later. Today's battle is that you have

(12:21):
a bunch of what I would call senior management. Your
Ursula Vanderlons, your Klaus Schwabs, your Larry Finks, their senior management.
They're not puppet masters. They want to be puppet masters,
but they never will because they don't have the right
blood in their veins. So so that gets us up
to who's controlling the deal. Now we get into those
spooky names like Rothchild's City of London, the Royal family

(12:43):
and all and the like, or the Saltan of Brunei.
This is a global thing, the Chinese Communist Party elders,
and this is where trillions of dollars of wealth. I
always get amused when somebody says, Elon mus wealthiest guy
in the world, and I go not even So, this
is where the steaks are. These people right down on

(13:03):
the internet. What they really want as victory of their war,
their forever war they've been working towards. And this is domination, depopulation.
Less of you and you never get to peep about anything,
and will tell you where to fart or where to
take a crap and will tell you what you get
to eat today. Most likely it's bugs, and you're going
to be in your fifteen minute pie hole and there's

(13:23):
just going to be a whole lot less of you.
So that's where this is headed. But I think the
herd is stirring and this is what I love. And
Trump is running, at least in the last two weeks,
he's running the table strategically. Yesterday, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is.
I'm taking Bogram, I'm taking Bogram back. I'm like, oh,

(13:43):
master stroke. So the day before you have a phone
call with Shijinpaing, you're in his head rent free already
because he's saving off the wolves, trying to stay in
command of his country, which he's not going to and
you hit him when he's weak, and you say, by
the way, I want Bogram back, and I'm just going
to kind of beat a little ankle biter right there
for China, and I'm going to exact the right behavior
out of you. Meanwhile, the kids in Europe are like,

(14:05):
we never saw that coming. And hey, the special relationship
in the UK, especially again apparently because they got a
one hundred and fifty billion dollars worth of business. And
I'm certain that we exacted some new behavior on attitudes
about the Ukraine War and other thing. Yeah, no, I would,
I would. That was the thing that was funny.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know, before Trump went to the meet with King
sausage fingers, someone asked me on Twitter. He said, they said,
why is Trump going to meet with the enemy on
event like I'm going to offer them their terms of surrender, right,
And you know, and look, at the end of the day,
we still have a bunch of relationships with Britain.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
He doesn't.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I've been my my, my operating principle when it comes
to Trump since Elon Musk first started going after Cure
Stormer back in December, which was a strategic play. I said, Look,
it's very obvious now at this point he wants to
not just save the United States, but he's going to
save the entire English Commonwealth. And because of that, you
have to make a strategic investment into the north of England,

(15:04):
which is where they're going to get its tech centers. Right,
it's in the north of England the places that you
know Stanley Krueber was able to make not leave England
to make full metal jacket because it was never rebuilt
after World War Two. Right, let's import some palm trees
and put them some hoche and some pictures of and
all of a sudden, it's way right. He didn't even
need to go to Vietnam and like he just you know,

(15:28):
stay there and do it like that. That's how bad
it is, folks.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
This is I would I would adventure. Let me let
me posit this to you, and you tell me what
you think. The I think if this is all going
to go, well, we're going to be on the eve
of actually winning the American Revolutionary War absolutely and and
and this time the stakes are You're out, We're in

(15:53):
our constitution, the world's most perfect governance document is now
going to flourish, and and will be calling the shots now.
And you City of London kids, pay your tuition. That
that's my best advice for you.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, well that's what I've been saying for a very
very long time playing and that and which is that?
And and you and I will probably disagree on this
a little bit, and that's perfectly reasonable. Which is that
I don't see bricks as a thing. I never I
you know, I've come to the conclusion a long time
ago that bricks was a creation of the of Gold
and Sacks and a variety of other people in the
and and then ultimately, you know, Russia and China and

(16:29):
everybody they ran with that idea in order to you know,
deal with the what we were dealing what they were
dealing with from the West under under Obama and under
uh An under the Biden Hunter, because I refused to
call it the Biden administration. Certainly now that pushes them
in that direction. But of course the West was always

(16:49):
going to peel Brazil off, destroy South Africa and then
play with the with with with India. And I've said
for a long time that the that the I and
the s and bricks during the Biden Hunter were really
Iran and Saudi Arabia, not okay, not India and South Africa.
Now that being said, all that being said, I've been

(17:10):
you know, we've been Alex Rayner and I have been
positive for a long time. And I can see this forming,
which is that Trump is and Trump's foreign policy now
is like laying this out that we're not looking at
the future of bricks, broking at the future of arc America,
run China, carving the world up, centering the world around
the around the Hawaiian Islands and the Pacific Ocean, and

(17:32):
looking at the globe from that perspective and realizing or
even from by the North Pole, and realizing that from
a variety of different angles, strategic angles, there's there's no
reason why the United States and Russia would not be
allies here. And the problem now is just trying to
figure out how to extricate the United States from all

(17:53):
of that legacy that we have and then therefore that
and that has to be done by degrees and has
to be done in such a way that the American
population understands the transition, because we have a political situation
here in the United States. We're a popular situation where
most people don't understand. They think that the Russians are

(18:14):
the bad guys. There's there's easily twenty percent of America
that still calls them the Ruskies. For Christ's sake. Now,
you know, now we have a lot of work. He
has a lot of work to do in that respect.
So but so I would say that that's the situation,
and that's what the American Revolution really looks like. And uh,
you know, I've said it before, I'll say it again.

(18:35):
It's like I look at the American Revolution the same
way one of the former Chinese foreign ministers look at
you know, when I asked about the about the French Revolution,
you know, during the during the Vietnam War, and he said, well,
you know, what do you think about the French Revolution?
He says, well, I think it's a good you know,
silarly to tell. And that's the way. That's the way

(18:55):
I look at the American The American Revolution is that
and that's why Trump is targeting to and fiftieth anniversary
of the declaration of it the PA. Yes, that's why
there's a variety of things going on, so we can
we can talk about what you know, so you had
that particular strategic thing, talk to me about what you're
seeing from you know, another other strategic little bits that

(19:16):
you're seeing that you think that he's done well in
the last couple of weeks, aside from like the bobroom thing.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, so I think he's handled and managed China quite
well in many regards, and I think to your point
about you know, Russia phobia and all that type of stuff,
in many regards, he will say things, I'm great friends
with Hi Jianping, you'll get Howard Lutnick on there saying,
how about six hundred thousand student visas and all that,
and everybody goes bananas. But but what what has happened

(19:44):
with this tariff regime? He learned in the first term
quite well, China cheats on everything. Every single thing they
say to your face will be a lie. There is
no such thing as a contractor rule of law there.
These people organ Harvest. They are getting extended on their
and roade initiative. And what did Trump do? He said,
Ahlon Road, explain that to me. Okay, so this is

(20:05):
the mother of all logistics disasters, where they've created payday
loans in all these countries and said, here's your shadow economy,
here's your above board economy. And by the way, the
interest is forty five percent or whatever it's going to
end up being. But we own you, Africa, and we
own you and you and you. But the problem with
that is, as we learned, and President Trump, who understands
supply chains quite well, understands that supply chains can bankrupt

(20:30):
you in five hot seconds and they're unwieldy. And this
goes back to Rome. You know, this is exactly why
Annibal blew it. He didn't understand the logistics fail was
very very important to him, and he ran out of money. Well,
this is where we're at, So what is he what's
the impact of the effect. I love how you frame
the arc America, Russia, China, but it's this step sister

(20:53):
China that needs a little rehabilitation, and we've got to
shepherd them and let them get through this final phase
of what they're going to go through. They're on their way,
They're from recession, on their way to depression. You have
four factions inside the Chinese Communist Party that are duking
it out for Powell. The only thing we do know
is that they've told Chi Jinping, and I mean chest
stumping him, that you're gone. You're gonna be a figurehead dude,

(21:15):
and you're gonna shut up in color. Because that guy's
name is General John Yushia, and he owns the entire
military right now. The eighty second Guard never redeployed out
of the parade. They're around Beijing. They have elements of
the Southern Units down in Guangdong running up and down
the streets with the personnel carriers. You've got Shun Juan,
same thing they're seeing personnel carriers in the streets because

(21:36):
they're terrified that the people what's left of them, by
the way, they're not one point four billion anymore, are
are are gonna go take them out, and they have
every reason to believe that there will. That's one of
the four factions. But where President Trump sees the opportunity
is in punching them when they're weak, when they're in disarray,

(21:57):
and he's doing that with quite great effect because the
Chinese can't bitch about the terroriffs. Why they would be
showing weakness, they'd be showing vulnerability to that. So they
they're a silent screen and and they're just diving deeper.
So then what I mean by rehabilitation is we're probably
and I'm gonna bet and speculate here, shouldn't do it,

(22:18):
especially with Chinese politics, But I believe Hu Jiankao's protege,
Hu Chunhua, and then another reformist named Wang Yong will
be the premiere. I think that's number one and number
two what we're gonna see come out of the October
plan on. But once that happens, you're gonna see two
cats who are like, yes, mister Trump, whatever you need.

(22:39):
We just want to be like Dung Champeg and we're
gonna we're gonna straighten up our act. And then you're
gonna see the list of not just American but Russian
demands laid on desks saying those are the terms. You
can join us, or you won't like the alternative. And
and just like the day of Claire Chanal coming to

(23:01):
help a guy named Shang Kai Shek, they're gonna they're
gonna take that hand that's extended to them. And that's
that's fascinating because the retail version you get over here
is China's gonna eat our ship. They're bigger than anything.
They're going out of control. Did you see that military?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Did you did you see did you see the electricity
usage that's in my face in my space, right in
the financial space, it's all electricity usage. I'm like, guys, understand,
they fought with the Russians. This is this is actually
the add to your point because none of that I
knew anything about, because I refuse to like dig deep
into the Chinese politics because it just makes my eyes

(23:37):
glaze over. I just know that I just know that
the whole China is going to eat our lunch. Nonsense
is to nonsense. Yeah, we have more in common than
we have. We're better to we're better as trade pers
and rivals than we are as enemies and all the
rest of it is just gaslighting. But the Chinese and
the Russians have been negotiating over price of the Power

(23:59):
Siberia too for seventy years.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I know. And it's a new thing in the in
the retail press. It's a brand new thing.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
And the only thing that they they negotiated was about
seven years ago. They decide will it or will it
not go directly through a lumbatoor and and Mongolia or not?
And eventually the Russians said, yeah, I can go through Mongolia,
and Mongolia said great, they can sign off on it.
We're all good negotiating about price forever. Because the Chinese

(24:26):
thought they were going to be able to play the
game of getting the Russians to sign a bad deal
similar to what a desperate deal, similar to what they
got for the the gas that Russians piping by Power
Siberia one Pwer Siberias one is not a great deal
for the Russians, but it was. It was made under duress.
It was the best at the time power.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
It's a cashlow deal, that's all it is.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, and and and and and Cower Siberia too is different.
This is putin flexing and saying, look, I have you
buy the balls on energy yep, And I have Trump's
corner backing way up to cut off Europe. I don't
have to go back to Europe. He's actually forcing Europe.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Like the trade.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Look at what he did with the trade. Look what
he did with the tariffs on India. Yeah, Prane, like,
think about this for a second. I mean, I don't
know if you I mean, I don't know if I
actually talked. I've talked about another podcast, and I know
you listen to most of the ones that I do.
But this is the reminder everybody, let's get it all
in one place for here, right.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
So somebody everybody asking, why is the thing with India?
Why are you driving India into into the arms of
the bricks. I'm like, they're not.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
They're trying.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
We're driving India away from the Brits because the Birds
have been trying to extend the Poh Empire across the
fucking world. And it's a bullshit.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
India is not a.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Sorry, folks, but they're not a world power. They only
LARP is a world power because they have backing from
City of London and Brussels and motoring like to play
the game of having a being a man with you know,
being able to like play everybody off each other to
get a deal. At the end of the day, he's
got to Russell Peters model of being grifters. It's true,

(26:13):
and and maybe just gotten polled. No over, you go
to the you go to the Chinese and the Russians. Great,
but and then he gets and then Trump turns around
and says, hey, in Europe, you want me to fight
World War three for you over Ukraine? Great sanction everybody like,
we want you to stop.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Reathing oxygen enter into famine and we'll all just be
fine this.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Hey, let's, you know, cut off your nose to spite
your face. And of course the Europeans politely declined. I
wonder why, but I wonder, but what does it do
for Trump? It gives him every It gives him all
the political cover at home to say this is not
my war. I'm trying to make peace here. He can
yell at Pooh, he can yell at g he can

(26:56):
yell at the Chinese, but the goal is to reorient
American foreign policy. He heard the recent directive with the
that came out with the name changed to the Department
of War that they're not going to fall NBAA anymore
and build the Department offense towards the two front war
against Russian in China. Now they're going to turn around
to crave fortress north western hemisphere. Which is why Marco

(27:18):
Ruby in Secretary of State of the first place.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
It is this also re establishes faith with the forces
as well, because it's not we're not going to be
the vanguard of climate change, We're not going to be
the defender of diversity and inclusion. We're not going to
do a whole lot of humanitarian crap. We're going to
get back to basics. This is war, we defend, We
win America's wars, and this is how war works. And
then what that'll drive. And I think this is so

(27:42):
important because you hear dangerous noise all the time and
the most recent dangerous noise we heard amidst this Ukraine
Russia fracas that's really was deterable and now we've got
two million dead. Uh, you got four star general who
arguably blew it in Afghanistan with his own vanity, and
now he is he thinks it's going to be helpful
to the diaspora to say, oh, yeah, we could take

(28:05):
Colin grod In a day. And it's like, child, do
you not understand that you don't have a speaking part,
or that a uniformed officer with four stars on their
chest when they say something like that, not only does
the little urchins and the press eat it up and
parrot it out right away. Now we've got to go
back and reverse a lot of bad diplomacy with Putin

(28:28):
and the kids over there to go, Okay, I know
what that sounded like, but we actually don't want a
nuclear war. We actually want to fix this thing. And
So if I had a criticism right now to take
to the Trump administration, I have several, actually, but if
I had one that I would love it for the
president to work on more while he's got the world's

(28:50):
rototiller out and he's churning up the world and he's
doing all of it. Nobody in our country, actually, I
would say eighty percent of our country doesn't understand what
this is. So because they're on this steady diet of
retail captain crunch style journalism where they're like, I don't
I don't understand what our president's doing. And it's like
spend more time at the resolute desk and maybe maybe

(29:13):
like fireside chats used to be pre World War two,
to sit down and go here, here's where we're at. Okay,
everybody else is gonna lie about what I'm just gonna say.
But but I'm gonna I have to educate the country
now because you guys are fed a line of crap
and you don't understand this is a winner take all
game and if we lose, we're gonna lose the whole republic.

(29:35):
It is no, the stakes are no lower than that.
But but that's why World War Forever or the American
Revolutionary War is so important. It's not a war of choice.
It's one where you're gonna win it or you're gonna
lose your country and you'll all be enslaved. And that
that those are the tapes. Nobody, no being on scann
or anybody else is gonna tell you that. But it's
and then when you hear stupid retail crap coming out

(29:59):
of somebody's mouth at a party or something like that.
You're like, we got work to do, kids. Yeah, it's
more complicated than that, and it's.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Worse than that blame because then you have the second
tier of geopolitics, okay, and that's the space that you know,
I nominally operated. And I've gotten a point where I
can't even talk to them anymore because they because they're
lost in their own agenda of good guys versus bad
guys and where the bad guys and trying and Russia
the good guys or whatever. I'm like this, no, no, no, no,

(30:30):
I love Star Wars, dude, but this is not this
is not that morality. Like, I'm sorry, you know, I'm
not just not playing that game. This is a much
more complicated game. This is much much more complx much
more akin to this is geopolitics, and everybody is doing
their thing, and everybody is pursuing their interests, and there
is a good guy or bad guy, and every country

(30:53):
if you put them on the game board, even if
you like abstract this out to a game of diplomacy,
right or or imperial or whatever, where this country is on.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
The board, I got news for you.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Inside those countries, there are factions just like you described
about the Chinese, which I really appreciate you going into.
I can talk about the factions deside to run or
Israel or the UK, or the Venezuela or Mexico or.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Mexico or anything else. And then and Canada.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
And this is what Matt Eric did so well when
he was on recently on the podcast with Dextra White,
which was to go. It was a brilliant episode, which
is which is to go over the thread of connections
through the through the various mafias around the world, and
how that's exactly another layer of this, right, and and
all of that stuff. So we have a lot of

(31:40):
work to do. And you know, I don't know about
you know, I try to tell people all the time.
I don't know everything. I know, I don't know everything.
The goal is to get better every day and some days,
some days you'll learn a little bit, some days you'll
learn something. And and from the most part, most days
you don't learn anything until somebody gives you that a
little bit of information that then ties everything together. And

(32:03):
all of a sudden, the you know, it's the rug
that ties the room together in both the big Oldowski right,
and then of course they and then of course the
groper's come in and piss on it all because no,
it's just a Jews man like a cough like you know,
that's not Yeah, we're.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Back in kindergarten, right, No we're not. We're not. But
but now, what what I do try to get on
the air when I'm on the air is when asked about, well,
good gosh, we're gonna have this cartel war, and I go,
exactly so, in my opinion, and this is a place
where you may not agree with me, and that's totally cool.
But in my opinion, pulling the string now on the

(32:39):
cartel wars is the most important string that this president
is pulled in his entirety of being a president. This
isn't this isn't a pickup game. This isn't an afterthought,
This isn't a oh yeah, I should do something about fetanol.
Because what people don't understand, and this is a fifth
generation warfare concept. So retail, we see two cigarette boats
get splashed out of the United States Navy and sending

(33:00):
them a happy message off of Venezuela. That is the
snowflake on the tip of the iceberg of potentially America's
most tactical front in this war, and that is the cartels.
And this is why we're a danger here on main
Street because they're on every main street in America. But
the cartels, that is the lifeblood, That is the veins,
the aortic system, that is how it all works. All

(33:25):
the bad guys that we've been talking about, every single
shady banker, every bought off politician on both sides of
the aisle, because in the swamp there is no aisle,
and all of it down to the deep state, and
it's bureaucratic desks, some of the neocons who go into
think tanks and say I have an opinion that says this, No,
I am paid for that opinion. So all of this

(33:47):
and the laundering that comes with it globally, it's the cartels.
And if you take that down, the strategy that I
see unfolding is President Trump is looking at this Jenga
tower of crime and horribleness and he is pulling at
the bottom bricks and he's trying to pull it down
that way. And I think he's working the top personally,

(34:08):
but I think he's He's got some very shady dudes
that I've worked with my whole career working it.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
On the other end, I am not going to disagree
with a word he just said, because I understood that.
I realized very early on that the LA riots back
in June were that was a purposeful operation to draw
out his enemies. Like I'm watching all of these things happen.
So Tom Homan goes in to a laundromat literally a

(34:35):
fucking dry cleaning a laundromat in La knowing well that
because it's every day is opposite day in America, and
the funding sources are still in place, but the funding well,
the fund the money is still in the bank accounts,
but the funding has been cut off. So once that
money's spent, it's gone. That what they're going to do
is because you could see it in Trump's response, I'm like, Okay,
this first couple of days, I'm like, oh this is bad.

(34:57):
And then I'm like and then he and then he
comes out comes in the National Guard. So here's the
timeline that Tom Homan goes into to say, to issue warrants.
He doesn't tell anybody why, let's the let's the the
Democrats then turn around and call it turn out, you know,
create a rent. The spic mob, create a create a
race issue out of it, and then Trump comes in

(35:19):
and goes, oh, civil disorder, nationalizes the California Guard brings
them in. That doesn't work, Bringing the Marines Barry putin
like puts the Color Revolution down immediately. And then we
get to find out from Tom Homan three days later
that they were issuing warrants at this laundromat because they're
trying to get they're dealing with cartel money.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Right, Yep, it's all right there.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
And I have it on very good authority from some
of the people that I talked to in the within
the administration that this is the strategy.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
We hope them.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
They respond, they money, money leaves a trail. We kill
the money. That's if you want to If you want
an even better example of why we were, like Dexter
and I were both like, this Iran Israel thing is
over in if Iran doesn't strike by the end of
that first weekend. Remember Israel strikes on the Thursday. By

(36:13):
Saturday night, right, the Dexter run on the phone together
going Okay, if if Iran doesn't like glass Israel tomorrow,
this war is over. Because they're flying cap over Tehran,
and every missile launcher is now.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
A single use bazooka. You can have all the.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Missiles in the world, but you've got no guns to
shoot them out of. They're useless, right, So that's what
was happening. Well, all of these dark bank accounts single
use they can light up, they get shut down, and
then we move on. Why do you think the Democrats
are screeching at Kashptel this week?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Oh, money's drying up. Money's drying up fast. And now
the USA idea has been taken down. Money's drying up
faster than fast. And I love them. So this is
what I love about what we're seeing unfold. Is when
you go embarked on an op and you're on a strategy,
I think what I see President Trump having a gift
for is Okay. I know what I want to do,

(37:06):
and I know what the operation is. Now let me
back up and see where can I get additional benefits
out of the same operation. So I'm going to take
a multiple benefit here, and one of them is you're
seeing it play out right now. So cash Kel goes
up to talk about Charlie Kirk and everybody wants to
rip his face off because their rice bulls are disturbed.

(37:28):
But what the ancillary part of this is they all
just told us exactly who they are in terms that
retail News couldn't even do it. So now you've got
fifty eight congressmen and women that just said we will
not vote to recognize or honor Charlie Kirk. And it's

(37:48):
like you're literally doing our work for us because we
wanted to go on the air, but you would rather
just say I'm an evil, paid off jerk and I
could care less about humanity life or or a youth
leader shot down in his prime. Thank you, thank you
for that. And on the other end of it, on

(38:11):
the other end of it, you've got a very quiet
process working that Tulsa Gabbard and I just think the
world of hermit that Tulsi Gabbard is working and this
she's quietly working on election integrity. And so here's the
brick wall these clowns are about to hit. They're coming
to the midterms going yeah, CNN polls say it's neck

(38:33):
and neck and we're going to take back the House.
It's like, you're not going to take crap because here's
the problems. We're going to actually have a free and
fair election, and you guys won't do so well because,
as it turns out, communism and sharia law are antithetical
to American culture. It's not even the constitution that's your problem.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
It's that we like Friday, the night lights, football games,
hot dogs, sausage ones are better. And then we're going
to be a church on Sunday and we're going to
bring a picnic and we value that. And if you
want to take those things away, oh we're going to
go after you. We're going to go after you.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
And Yamamoto had warned the emperor about this. When the
Emperor said we'll just take America, it's like, oh, we'll
hold up, hold up. I was educated there guns in America,
blades of grass, and those people are crazy. They have
a thing called rednecks, and that's my tribes. It's not
going to work yet, so they're melting down. But it's

(39:27):
because of strategies that do that that gets you a
multiple benefit. Look at the misdirection on the National Guard
going into Memphis. Okay, it's going into Memphis, but we're
threatening Chicago. And now we get the mayor to tell
us exactly who he is. Admit to his crimes. Pritzk
are doing the exact same thing. They out themselves. They
open themselves up to constant investigation about corruption and all

(39:50):
of that. So now they've all spoken about it. Thank
you for that very much. That's called an evidentiary trail.
And now you're going to get to have the National Guard,
and then people there will understand what peace and looked like.
And maybe I could start a business and be okay.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
And at least I wonder what I can walk to
my shitty job and not get and not get like
I get the break.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
We're gonna have fair elections. Had Chicago ever ever in
its history had a fair election voter? Friend?

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Like, No, So, I mean, you know, don't don't forget
the don't forget that. Grandma needs to vote. Grandma got
ten years ago. Yeah, should voted four times. She's voting anyway, Yes,
voting anyways.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
She's gonna vote.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I got a check right here, Yeah, exactly, I've got
I've got her social Security check right here too.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
So no, you're you're you're absolutely right. I I I've
been watching this play itself out, and it's like it's
to say that with Jimmy Kimmel like guys, like how many.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
People first free speech?

Speaker 1 (40:42):
It's the first amendment, Like excuse me, Jen Saki can
lie through her teeth on MSNBC or PM. She does
every day because she doesn't have an f CC broadcast
license no BBC on the hand, and there's a big
difference in educating people about that. And if you don't

(41:05):
like the FCC licensure system and whether or not they're right,
they're right to be handing out government monopolies over certain
aspects of the broadcast spectrum. That's fine. Let's have that
conversation as a matter of let's bring that conversation up,
because that's actually what Jimmy Kimmel is actually about, if
you want to have that conversation libertarians, but in the world,
but in the real world where there's law, and right now,

(41:27):
the FCC rules are very simple this George Carland told
us there were seven thirty words you can't say on TV,
to which we had fart, turn and twat because twatt.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
And that's that right. But that is law, and.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
It's not about freedom of speech. They they these were
created entities that were given a monopoly and a license
by the government and therefore that go buy by the
government's rules and if you open it lie on FCC
and license. We can take your FCC and license away
from you because you are in the public and Chris,

(42:00):
which is why you were granted that you agree to
act in the public interest, then you chose not to. Therefore,
fuck off done. This is not a freak, I think.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I think first though, and it looks like the President's
going to take it up. They've got to go ahead
and deal with the Smith Month Act and magree propaganda
illegal in the country again, and then and then, and
then once that the table is set there, then it's
we can start talking about your licenses because you're really
just an arm of the Democratic National Committee.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Well say the same thing with the school board, same
thing with everything else, or like this is why Desanta
is going after property. I can go we can go
off on this whole tangent right about how to restore
property rights and how are we going to restore the republic?
You opened your your You're opening monologue, which I really appreciated,
came down to are we going to restore the constitutional
republic or not? And you know, we can have a

(42:49):
conversation about you know, whether the Constitution is perfect or
not perfect. I'm happy to have that conversation. But you know,
that's an intellectual debate that is not a and that's
certainly a debate that we can have, you know, the
you know, going forward. But let's start talking about the
real issues here, which is that the entire constitutional oedipism
and why it's failed is because the founders and there

(43:10):
in their in their lack of wisdom, believed in the domain.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yes. And you know.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
If we're not, if we're ultimately not in the in
the place to be able to say this is my
property and I am and it is my castle.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yes, and I'll defend it, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Paying rent to the government every year. Well then I'm
a I'm a feudal serf.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
None of us own any property at all, exactly. We rent,
We rent from the government. And honestly, this is the thing. Now,
now you're going to take us on a little sub
journey through Charlie Kirkland. So so you know a lot
of people are like, well, he you know, took all
these donations in and he made a lot of people angry.
It's like, hold up, hold up, We've got we've got

(43:57):
a very gifted learning curve off the charts. Twenty something
strong Christian, strong in his faith and values, who in
that early in age. Look when I was his age
at twenty three. He's thirty one when he died, But
when he was in his twenties making his name at
the same age, I was flying T thirty eight's ten

(44:19):
feet tall bulletproof best pilot in the squadron just asked me,
and what I valued was what are we doing on
the club on Friday night? This guy's thinking giant thoughts.
He's attracting all these young people, and that attracts attention
from thunders. They come in and they say, listen, I'm
going to write you some checks. I want to see
Turning Point do well. But what you can't do is

(44:41):
stop the evolution of a learning curve. And this gets
us to the private property piece. So in June he
starts questioning things, things that his donors would prefer him
not to question. One of those things is the top
three p equity firms in the nation purchasing one out

(45:02):
of four homes that go into defunct status and then
running it back at twice the damn rent to the
people who just lost their everything, and praying on national disasters,
natural disasters, whether they were natural or unnatural, a whole
nother rabbit hole, but going in and scooping and stealing
and stealing and stealing. So it's not just that you're
paying the property taxes, the school bond nonsense, the over appraisals,

(45:24):
and I'm going to rip you out of your house.
Charlie Kirk was questioning this stuff, and then he starts
questioning other stuff about what are we doing in these wars?
What was this our only way to solve the gods
the problem? And bam, now we have a guy who
is going to get taken out by a trans person

(45:44):
with a mouser at two hundred yards. Spare me, spare me. Look,
I'm a military pilot, and I'm not going to profess
to say I know one hundred and thousand percent of
all military operations. I can tell you, though, that I
know who to talk to about those things. And my
spooky friends who are that arm specialists will say they've
got a lot more work to do in this investigation.
And so my words to cash, and I like cash

(46:06):
a lot, but my words to cash would be the
country can't keep doing these events where we have a
butler or even a JFK and Charlie Kirk. Oh. Yeah,
we released the records in twenty fifty seven and it
was all redacted anyway. So what Charlie was pulling on

(46:27):
was the string. Are we a republic? Are we self governed?
Do our rights matter? And can we own property ourselves?
There's no problem paying for a school with taxes. Pay
the taxes, but you can't take a lean out of
my property if I can't make the painter. But if
you miss up property tax payment by twenty five cents,

(46:49):
I'm taking your three hundred acres. It's not right. And
he was going there. And when you have that type
of following, well, then the shadowy overlords that you and
I talked about at the beginning of this podcast start
to make some decisions. And because this hit was done
so rough, shots, so raw, so vulgar, there are I

(47:11):
love my friend Michael jan He even said this two
days ago. There's ninety different ways to kill somebody so
that you didn't even know that they were killed. If
it's just simply about an assassination, people can get disappeared
all the time. But this was done to send a
message to others this turf we will defend. And it
gets back to our point at the beginning. This is

(47:33):
a war. This is the world forever war. The world
forever war is fifth generation warfare, or by any means,
everything is war. Everything is in play, and that's why
it's for all the marbles. And Americans have to be educated.
That's important. But then they've got to understand that because

(47:53):
the president is pulling on the number one string and
we've had four years of open borders, brothers and sisters,
you may have to defend Main Street because there are
more of them than there are all military first responders, everybody.
You may have to come together as communities and neighborhoods
to say. It could get spicy here. Don't blame President Trump.
He's trying to fix it. But but don't don't think

(48:16):
any more that wars are fought overseas. That's nonsense.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
No, no, And I agree, and I have I'll be
honest with you. I even have said flat out that
I can be okay with it being the kid that
they're that they're feeding us doing this right, But he was.
But there's something beyond that, clearly, And there's also then

(48:39):
the opportunists coming in to clearly muddy the fucking waters
for their own agenda, and they're doing value purpose. We're
watching everybody. We're watching everybody, you know, crash out here
from canvas Owens, Gross and everybody. And I'm like, I'm
done right. And it's interesting. As we were talking about this,
you know, privately, the other day, and when they went

(49:00):
to do the market report for the patrons on Wednesday,
I had just come.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
To these while I was working out it.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
We were talking through this stuff and I said, you know,
it's funny, Oh, I'm watching all of these assets of
all these middle managers, all these order takers, all these
middle managers or even senior management, right, and canvas Owens
is an order taker. She she's a little level operative.
When you watched when you were watching all of these
and then the and then who she represents, even their

(49:26):
crashing out right, Sure, you're watching them all burn each other,
and they're all pointing out fingers at each other, which
is a fascinating thing because when at the end of
that day, Trump comes out and says, hey, I'm going
to nominate Antifa as a domestic hero start organization, which
every which they all knew was coming, right, so they

(49:48):
were trying to get ahead of it by then trying
to deflect blame from themselves, do cover for status, as
the and Burling game would put it, and and and
point fingers at each other. And when I came to
the conclusion of, oh, this is a circular firing squad
of paranoia, because tangentially though this entire thing, they're all
guilty by a Rico, even if they weren't directly involved

(50:12):
or even indirectly involved, because they have connections, and because
the Rico statutes are so unbelievably fucking tyrannical in my
personal opinion, they're going to be used here in a
way that is, you know, look against Rico was at
the fucking that was at the freaking dinner that you
and I met at, Like this all comes back full circle,

(50:34):
like and that's how we cringed up in New York
for better room for work.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
That's right, that's right, So here we go. Let's put
it in historical terms, the big string on the cartels,
what he's doing with China and Russia and then bringing
a city of London to heel and then this Rico thing.
So as soon as he made the antief announcement, I
immediately went to Sous and I immediately went to those
syndicates and said, oh, oh, oh, oh, I see what's

(50:59):
happening here. This is easy to see. But then forget Soros,
forget Alex, forget all that of their crap. The bigger
target here where the boomerang is going to pass through
is the United States Congress yep, because all of these
people have slopped all over them to enable these things.
This has been a profit center for them, and it's

(51:20):
going to go from profit center to jail cell or
worse because some of these things are high treason. And
when we get into the cubicle dwellers, really high treason,
and we know their names and it's not they're players individually,
but what they've done in mass is they've sold out
the American people are republic, are prosperity. They've stolen from us,

(51:42):
they've killed us. They've created double standards on us, multi
tier justice system. And again my advice to the president
is you've done enough. Now you've shown enough leg on
what you're doing. That's time to educate us because then
we can have more patience. Right now, everybody wants to
go right at pambody, I mean right all times, and

(52:03):
I'm like, what do we do it? And what I
would say, though, is if you think of the magnitude
of what the president is trying to pull off, right,
I want you to go back to World War Two.
This is the same as doing Okinawa, Battle of Leyte Gulf,
Battle of Midway, and D Day at the exact same time. Yes,
all the exact same time. That's what he's attempting to
achieve here.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
It is the I keep bringing up my favorite television
show of all time, Battle on five. It is Londo
sitting there with Reef going Only an idiot fights a
war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne
of the Kingdom of Idiots fights a war on twelve fronts.
And Donald Trump must be the king of the universe,

(52:44):
of the Kingdom of idiots, because he's fighting a war.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
In fifteen or eighteen fronts.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
And he's doing so because he understands that there really
is only one front. Yeah, that's okay, And that's the thing,
And that is what I believe. And I didn't believe
that about Trump. You can't when when he was elected
back in November, I was like, I'm in showte you
have to show me that you understand the dynamic of
city of London. They angle you have to see. You

(53:10):
have to show that to me for me to get
behind you whole hog this time, because I'm gonna sit
here and I'm just gonna be very missouri about it,
even though from.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
You that's the way it is.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
And but you show that to me, and I'm like, okay, so.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you
a question. Who do you think the real I mean functional,
the functional chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Is
is it General Dan Kane or is it Treasury Secretary
Scott Dessent.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Oh, it's definitely sent, no question, there's no question to me.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Question that that shows up in your country with the president. Oh,
you've got him, You're gonna have a bad You're just
gonna have a You're you're screwed.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I mean when I listen to talk, yeah, I hear
him say things like I mean dismissively. I've and I've
had dinner with Martin Armstrong about this as well. And
I've did a podcast with with Martin, John Sean Newman
back when and Alex Kraaner back up, and and and
in in May after we did a cornerstone and Martin
made and Martin made it abundantly clearous like I've traded

(54:14):
against best best Soros. And I was in the room
with Marty. That was an audio only podcast. I was
in the room with Marty and the look of the
smug look on his face was and I beat the
crap out of them, Okay, And I'm sorry, Marty. I'm
letting that one. I'm letting that one out into the universe.
But what what I've also noted is that you know,
when I listened to when I see Besst talk about

(54:37):
trading against these guys, I see the exact same fucking look.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Like I'm not looking to you.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I was in the room with two of the best
traders in the world, two of the best, you know,
two of the best, And I can tell you Bessett
knows exactly what he's doing. There's a reason why the
dollar it's still at the dollar even though it should
be falling off a cliff, and that's because he's strangling
them in the future. He's you using the t bull
market to do it, No question oh, no questioning.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Brilliant. It is, it is, and this is my favorite time.
I make sure that I have popcorn, little jalapenas, and
some melted cheese when he's going to be scheduled to
speak to Congress of the Senate, because I don't want
to miss that, because it's absolutely okay, so Scott, it's
going to sit in there, and then he's gonna be
with a bunch of unarmed children and they're going to

(55:24):
make asses of themselves, and their staffers will try to
ask questions and none of this is going to work.
And he and Scott has this really lovely stoic foker
player's face with just the hint of a grin that
shows if I don't win here, we're going out into
out of the saloon and we'll duke it out at
high noon via revolvers. But but but again, you you

(55:48):
look at this guy and you're like, this is not
your Janet yellum, okay, it's this is not what's going
on here, and it's it's a pleasure to watch because
he is the general fighting fifth generation war. Now, I
what I would recommend, because this war is in all
the pockets of everything is get a promising general officer

(56:11):
one two star level, somebody with some war fighting experience,
somebody with some strategic bones understands what's going on, and
then go detail him for six months to percent and
let him have a mentor protege relationship because there needs
to be a fusion there. There needs to be.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
You know, we always talk in war college about oh,
this is diplomatic information, this is military, and this is
economic and neither are the elements of power. And it's like, yeah,
but none of you generals understand macroeconomics. None of you
generals understand how currency flows work, which means on the
battlefield you're some of the most dangerous people on the
planet because you got to have twenty twos and nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yes, so we can't have you walking around in the
damn dark while Scott Dissent is making art and suddenly
you let a bomb go off and you say, oh,
we could take Colin gradd in a day. It's like,
shut up, the man is working. And so I think
stitching those things together would would be helpful. It would
it would be helpful.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
And I can tell you that that's why we do
what we do.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Okay, And it's why I you know, I.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Can tell you that's why I had to go into
every I had to I had to take. I had
to broaden the scope and always then bring it back
and broaden the scope, and bring it back and become
and get into all five aspects of the generational warfare,
you know, economic, financial, cultural, militaristic, and geopolitical, and you know,
or whatever you want to call it, and then and
the propaganda war and everything else in order to try

(57:39):
and understand. But you have to have a model that works.
And if you don't have a model that works, you
have to be constantly throwing stuff out there. I was
trying to explain this to somebody on Twitter the other day,
and I don't know, you'll want I think you'll understand
the metaphor well, And it wasn't a tweet, it was
a reply, so of course nobody saw it, which is that, Look,

(58:01):
my method is to throw a lot of stuff, take
shots at small targets the minor heart. Take take shots
at small targets that may not even be a target.
And if I miss, I miss, and I'm wrong, but
I've learned something. This is the scientist background of let's
test this. This the side hypothesis to get to the
to get to the universal field theory. We're going to

(58:21):
test this thing over here, and we're going to shoot
shoot at it. If you hit every once in a while,
that's good, But if you miss, it's just as valuable
because it's now going to give you information so that
when you go to make the big call, the five
basis points to change the world or whatever, you're not
going to be wrong about that. Because if you're wrong
about the big call, that's the career ender. That's the
one that credit that trashes your credibility. So that's the typrope.

(58:44):
We all walk in this place, right And I'm like God,
and I've been screaming at my brethren in the all
finance and all meat and all geopolitical space.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Your models are off. You're not seeing it.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
You have to update your model. I know it's a yes,
your business model, yet sorry, like you're going to have
to pick the hit if you want to become better
at this popre.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Welcome to the singularity. This is the way it works.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
And I said six months ago, Blaine, I literally have
We're saying on podcasts like six months from now, people
that you trusted you are going to leave.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
In the dust people.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
And I hope that I'm not one of those people,
because I hope I have I'm not terribly wrong about
but so.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
No, But so we're constantly renewing. Tom, you do the
same thing. I have listened to all your podcasts. You're
constantly renewing. And the other cool part that I think
is so true about you is I have watched you
on all these other podcasts, and I have watched guests
like Alex Craner, you know, Sean as a host or whatever.

(59:45):
Even even our our wonderful friends over at the Prometheus
Project influence your thinking. It doesn't mean that when Iam
Burlingame stands up and says we're going to get two
forty nine and we're going to take them all at dawn,
I know you're you're gonna push that off a little bit.
But but then when when em starts talking about the

(01:00:05):
value in our youth of learning how to once again
the art of being a man, I know you're going
to embrace that. And and so I think it's a
constant education for my model as a scatterbrain strategist guy
who's flown and all kinds of things. I my model,
I call it a jigsaw puzzle strategy. And so what
I do is I'm out there and I'm who's collecting

(01:00:27):
puzzle pieces, and I'm I'm even open to some of
those pieces not even being part of this damn puzzle.
But but what I try to do in the box
is I keep the puzzle pieces in the box. I
keep them and and then as events start to unfurl,
as they start to unfold, and I'm opening myself to
new lines of thinking. I can tell you that Alexander mccurius,

(01:00:52):
uh Alec alex Christoforo, they at the Duran, they they
have you know, they have made me stand upside down
in my head and I'm like, okay, you know that
is a puzzle piece. Let me oh, it interlocks right here,
hold on, hold on, hold on, I've got the europe
piece right here. Kayak talis and this goes ah, they
go together, right, and then I'll set that off to

(01:01:13):
the side, because it really is it's a tapestry really, and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
It's also it's also it's also multiple puzzles.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
And remember one of the things that I talk about
all the time is that the information is frackal right,
So you may like Alex, and Alex may do a
great job of finding this thing over here, but then
miss the great but see that thing, but then miss
look the grander picture because they're either resting to it
or whatever. And again I'm not We're not trying to
call them out. They're they're friends of mine. I desperately

(01:01:43):
I want to see everybody. I want to see everybody
in bubble up dude, like I'm on this thing. Like
the last thing I want to be is the guy
standing out there by myself trying to figure it all
out because I can't do it on my own.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Right. Well, this is why, this is why I call
what I'm doing dangerous intellectuals, because in any one time,
any of us can see each other's work. And there'll
be times when I'm speaking and I know I can
feel Iam Berlin Game in Boise, Idaho's wrap on my background,
and it's like, and I do the same thing with everybody.
And so this is what I'm trying to promote in
the country is it's a return to critical thinking. And

(01:02:16):
some of you have never done it before, and that's
really okay, but it is time to critically think. And
that means that you take that education you've got, and
you take all those certificates on the wall, go throw
them into the closet and go, I'm just a person
and I need to know about this. Now what can
I know about it? And that's where you start. And
then when people feed you retail crap out of the

(01:02:38):
mainstream press, just understand there's no law against propaganda in
our nation. Yeah no, And that's why we're going to
rename the Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
The repeal of the Smith on the trolley right, And
that little redhead girl who came up with that was
that was a completely viral and this is like, oh yeah, yeah, no,
I'm and I know now, I like that that common
verstations like this one wind up, you know in the
West wing of the White House. Some by some way, matter,
shape or formance, hold this absolutely correctly about this. I'm

(01:03:07):
not busting my hand patting myself on the back. I
don't give a shit. If you like the work, great,
If you don't like the work, you know, do what
you're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
That's the best.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Like, yeah, The best I can do is present is
present the thing as best I can and present as
much signal, and then you decide whether it's noise I
don't care. Yeah, and the but knowing that also comes
with a certain amount of burden and a certain amount
of responsibility, of course, which when someone ever really expected and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
You need, you know you didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I this is the thing I want to I want
to make abundantly clear about Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk died
before I even had my political awakening. I didn't have
my political awakening. I was thirty two years old. Other
than reading, other than having consumed and a lifetime at
that point of alternative fiction and this and all the

(01:03:59):
and I did all the actual groundwork to become the
dude who had that moment. Charlie Kirk started that moment
at eighteen and thirteen years built something insane, but it
was amazing, and it was intentional. He had a plan
and he extended, Yeah, the rest of us are kind
of like, well, you know, I found I found myself here. Oh,

(01:04:22):
look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I did I find myself that I expect to find
myself here. No. If I look back at my life
and go, huh, did you think you were on any
other path?

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
No, I really didn't. You just weren't conscious of it.
So yeah, but the guys who were conscious of it.
You have to you have to adopt your half to them,
and then you also have to pay it forward.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah, you do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
And I don't use that phrase lightly because I think it's,
you know, generally code for socialism and which I'm no.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
But I think what you're saying is the day after
the day after Charlie died, and I certainly felt this
was you know what, truth matters more today than it
did you day. Absolutely, if you're going to go shoot him,
then what we're gonna do is we're gonna double and
triple down. You can't kill us all, so get ready
because they'll just be more of it, heaps more of it.

(01:05:12):
It's like I was never going to do media again
after the Kirgis Revolution, and I did some nonprofit work
in my building of businesses and stuff, and then cobble Fill,
and now I'm doing grief counseling for everybody from two
Stripes all the way up to two Stars. That was
my squadron where those bodies were falling off those airplanes.

(01:05:32):
I had commanded that at one time. And they're all
with me, and I had people who used to work
with me on the ground. They're telling me play by play,
what's going on? A woman that used to be my
protocol officer, she had to take a dead baby out
of an Afghan man's hands because he couldn't get on
to the base, and we just turned our backs on
our friends. Well, I called my public relations friend up
and I said, any microphone, any camera, any pen, anywhere, anytime.

(01:05:56):
And then two weeks into it, I won't call names out,
but a breeder general from the Air Force called me
and said, hey, Blaine, the chief wants to know seeing
you on all these networks, wants to know if you're
planning on keeping this up. So that's code for something else,
and I said, yes, yes, you can look forward to
me never stopping now because in my own brain and

(01:06:18):
this is your awakening was thirty two, mine was forty five,
and I was breeder general. I'm running logistics for the
entire European Theater, big job for the whole Defense Department,
and in my portfolio is Israel. I've got the European Theater.
I'm working with the Russians. And then we have a
thing happened called BEng Ghazi, and I was intimately involved

(01:06:41):
with something happening near BEng Ghazi. At the time, me
and an army two star and everything I saw that night. Mentally,
I was like, okay, I've got to leave. I'm no
longer in alignment with my oaths. And so I got
to be the deputy representative at NATO, A nice place
to do some negotiations. Flemish is my second language. It
was a great time. I had a great three star boss.
And then I said, you all don't have to worry

(01:07:03):
about me. I'm going to be quiet. I'm going to
jump over that thing called the swamp and I'm going
to go into the country get a real job, and
I'm going to build businesses and that's what I will do.
And then Cobb will happen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
And then it changed, well, we're glad to hear thank you.
I mean that, I mean it's czarely, and thank you
for being willing to talk about it in those terms.
And because it's you know, everybody has their moment of radicalization,
everybody has their moment of their turning point, and for you,
I didn't really, it didn't happen for me that way,

(01:07:36):
and it certainly it was very simple.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
I just just look.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
It took the world's smallest political quiz and went, oh,
I know, my fucking problem is I'm a libertarian. And
then the libertarians decided to like go become Marxists, and
I'm like, now, I don't know what the fuck now,
I don't know what to call myself and I don't
really care, and all I know is that I guess
I do. This is one of the few times you
will see me quote James Lindsay, I will say yes,
I'm an anti communist.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Yes, yes, which makes me an American, which makes me
in America exactly so.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
And more appropriately, I'm yeah, and that and and and that.
And when I say anti communist, that means of the
most virulent variety, which is British, yes, not Russian or
Chinese communism. British communism aggressively.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
So is the worst. In London style communist right is
the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
It's the fake one that also created fascism and then
set them against each other in the classic red Aunt
black Ant model of friend Alex Craner, so love that. Yeah, No, dude,
it's it's a it's a hard, hard thing. It's a
hard road to hoe, and you know, yeah it is.
It's just hard to do. But you know what, it's

(01:08:47):
also the only thing worth doing. Yeah, that's right, it
really is, because.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
If you have these gifts to articulate what's happening in
real terms and strikes, and if you if you can
see what the real threat is as opposed to all
the fake ones that are put out in front of
everybody like paper targets, that's a service and people need
that service because and I get this. I just came
back from a conference at Austin and everybody was you,

(01:09:17):
you can't get this information anywhere, and I go, but
you can, and you're gonna have to learn to be
data miners.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
Unfortunately it was a data it was a data center conference,
which I find greatly ironic. But but but that's that's
what's necessary from us right now. So if Scott Descent
is the real de facto chairman of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff, well, we're lieutenants, world lieutenants out here saying
we'll do whatever we can, but this republic is worth
saving and it's worth completing the deal that the founder started,

(01:09:47):
which was the American Revolutionary War, and it's still worth winning.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Yeah, no, absolutely, because ultimately this is an ideological fight,
as Alex would put it. Two systems of governance. But
I'm gonna put it, I'm gonna make it really blunt. Yeah,
that's just the governments are served them yep, and a sovereignty.
That's right, and they don't. They have to prove to

(01:10:12):
the world that the American experiment was a failure. They
have to prove that because if they don't, it's going
to leave that lingering doubt in everybody's minds that maybe
the Americans had it right. They have to put it down.
It's this is why they won't stop until they're removed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
From the scene. And so you're removed scene.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
You remove them from the scene through a variety of
steps and cutting off them. Cutting off the internal money
is the easy part, because that's the part that Trump controls.
Then you go after their external money. Then you go
after their lifeblood. Oh yeah, no U, which is the cartels.
Which is why I didn't disagree with you earlier about it,
because I understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
That's why I understand that progression. We got to teach
America whether it's this is what's really going on right
now today from the resolute desk. But also we've got
to demand it's not just about getting pornography out of
the schools and the transcrap. We've got to reinfuse the
school something to teach, like to Tookeville like or yes, yes, amen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
I'm getting a little crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Hero.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
I don't know, maybe you know Foundation of Civilizations, thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
It exactly exactly. There's a reason they killed Socrates. There's
a reason that they kill her. That's right, the same reason.
That's exactly right. It's over and over and over again.
But but they can't kill us all. And we absolutely
have an opportunity to be the sons of liberty too.

(01:11:48):
But there's never been a better time, and the president
needs it. But the president can't get a rubber stamp either.
And so my advice is your comms watch out for
the creepy oligarch guys. Get to know a little bit
more about how all these technologies start to fuse together
and what it looks like when they fuse, because that'll
be the new that'll be the new battlefield, just as
sure as the sun's going to come up tomorrow. And

(01:12:12):
and again there's like there's there are strategies to use
to put that into the proper context in box. So
I'm not worried about Gotham Er Pallenteer's pre policing program.
But I am looking actively at what countermeasures are to
make that blow right up in their faces, because you know,
we're Americans, we want to be free, we insist. But

(01:12:34):
this nonsense that you'll get every night on TV, which
is no, it's the the USSR has now reformed itself
and we're all going to be in deep trouble. And
here comes the hypersonfic smithsle here comes you know, this
nonsense about Taiwan. It's like, oh, that's the last thing
they're going to do, because the Taiwanese would whip China's
ass in five seconds. Go show me one Chinese navy

(01:12:57):
boat that's made out of marine grade steel. Go ahead,
I'll listen. Go below the water line and find the
Orange Hills, and then you'll have your answer, right, And
then I'll show you a lot of rich Chinese generals
who never thought they'd ever go to war, who may
be profited on that spread. Oh you think we're the
only ones who are corrupt? Right? Really? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
If I tell people all the time, I'm like, you know,
being a ship bag is not an ethnicity.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
That's great, that's exactly all right, man Like, well, we'll
cut it off here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
We'll do this again real soon and looking forward to
you know, you being on the other side of the mic,
because it'll be a good it'll be a good time.
So with that said, let everybody know what you do,
what you do, what's important to you, and all the
rest of it, and we'll get out the door.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Sure. So I'm a tech entrepreneur. Zerian dot com is
my company. We're doing something really special. We're going to
go out into the market with some high tech advanced materials.
I have my column that I write over at Newsmax.
It's called The Irascible Disruptor on the Insider's page and
on Twitter you can find me at the Underscore Irascible
and coming soon Dangerous Intellectuals. We will launch an audio podcast.

(01:14:06):
It'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
It'll be fun and as always on TfL sep twenty
eight on Twitter, where the worst version of me will
show up every day, even worse than what you heard today.
Patrovnslast goal will got some guns. If you want to
give us the give us the shekels. As my my
detractors now want to say that I've sold.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Out for you. So With that said, I'm at you guys.
Be well. You take care. We'll talk too. Keep your
stick on the ice.