Episode #232 -- Susan Kokinda and Trump's War for the American System

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hello, and welcome to the gold Goats of Medunes podcast
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is episode two thirty two and I have with me
today a new guest of the podcast we have. I've
been on shows with her a couple of times already
and we've gotten along famously, and I thought it would
be good to just have a sit down chat one
on one with Susan Coqinda of Promethean Action before I

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I'm glad you're here. I've been the fact that Donald
Trump was scheduled to speak for fifteen minutes at the
UN and decided to speak for fifty five I think
that's probably a good place to start, to be honest
with you. For those of you who don't know Susan

(01:52):
Ze the member of the Promethean Action political action Committee,
I would say downstream of the Linda Laruze movement of
the nineteen seventies nineteen eighties here in the United States.
You don't know who that is. Well, this is a
thing called Wikipedia, and it's terribly biased. So Susan, tell
me what you thought of Trump's barnburner of the speech,
because I know what I thought.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh it was I thought it was fantastic. I mean
the fact that he just honed in on what I
consider one of the key ideological weapons of the British oligarchy,
which is green fascism, you know, and let's call it
by its proper name, because you know, there really is

(02:34):
an unbroken thread from the eugenics movement of the early
twentieth century, which directly gave us Adolph Hitler, you know,
right in too, the environmental movement. I think it was
Julian Huxley when he was appointed one of the early
heads of I think UNESCO, yes at the UN Yeah,

(02:55):
you know, he basically there's a quote I should have
dug it out, but he's you know, he's got a
quote where based says, we can't sell this eugenic shit
any longer. We have to repackage it, and we're repackaging
it as environmentalism, you know. And it took a couple
of decades for them to, you know, to get this going.
You know, you had you had various relatively obscure organizations

(03:19):
like the International Union for the Conservation of Nature, which
became the home for a lot of the eugenesis directly.
They came over in there, you know, and then you
had Prince Philip and Prince Barnard launching the World Wildlife
Fund in nineteen sixty one sixty two, So you know,
they were working on their propaganda, they were working on,
you know, setting up their institutions and so on, and

(03:42):
then obviously by the end of the late nineteen sixties
and early nineteen seventies they were able to let this
thing rip. And what I really liked about Trump's speech
is he named by name the un Environmental Program, because
that really became the launching pad for a lot of that,
withiti original head being Morey Strong from Canada, you know,

(04:04):
with all sorts of ties to the British establishment, to
extractive industries and so on and so forth. So I mean,
and when he said that not only the carbon footprint
stuff is a hoax, he says it's evil. I mean,
he put the name to it. It's not just stupid,
which it certainly is, and unscientific. It's evil because the

(04:27):
entire environmental movement is just the front end of an
effort that the British royal family and other royal families
have been clear on. They want to depopulate the planet,
you know, make it safe for empire. And if you
have too many unruly smart people or people who could
become smart and just think maybe they should have a future.
You know, it's hard to rule the world. So I

(04:48):
thought that was the most most powerful part of it.
I mean, obviously he lowered the boom on on you know,
the the migration waves and also called that evil from
this standpoint of human trafficking. He and earlier in the
day Mark Rubio called into question, you know, what's the
purpose of the UN? Very good question right now.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
So I thought it was. I thought it was a
precision strike. That's what I thought.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah. No, I described it on my market report yesterday
for my patrons, because we're doing this on a Thursday,
Wednesday and Sunday. I described it as did you notice
that Donald Trump walked into the UN with two, not one,
but two flaming bags of poop and through the air
and then blew them away with shotguns to spread all
over the delegation. What I really really enjoyed about what

(05:36):
he said was the way he personalized it to every
leader in the room who then who? He said, Look,
you're destroying your countries. Your people don't want you to
destroy your countries. And that was the implied the implication
here you're destroying your countries. Is this what you want?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:52):
And what are you doing with this unchecked migration, all
of the human trafficking and everything else, all for what?
For an agenda that is not going to survive Because
we are the United States, and we are the leaders
of the world, and we are the greatest economy in
the world, and we are the greatest country that ever exists,
and we're not going along with that anymore. And so
without our money, sorry, it doesn't work, or as the

(06:15):
Canadians would say, sorry, it's not working anymore. And because
you brought up you brought up in the Canadian New
Genesis earlier, and I'm just that's a shout out to
my friend Matt Ritt and my my friend Chris Sims,
all my friends up in Canada that I've met who
are absolutely far more learned about the betrayal of the
Canadian aristocracy of the Canadian people. So yeah, I thought

(06:38):
that that was that to me was the big one.
It was. It was an absolute declaration of war against
not just the Green fascism as you would put it,
which I completely agree with, but and the open borders
and the rest of it. But it also just globalism
in general, just the concept itself that we should have
these global institutions and all of them don't work. I mean,

(07:02):
what's the purpose of the UN is not doing anything.
It's not stopping wars, it's enabling, yeah, stopping.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
And it was sort of like taking a jump from
the speech he gave in twenty twenty at Davos, you know,
and when he you know, that speech, I sort of
and of course it was right before COVID broke out
and right before everything went to hell, right, but you know,
he gave that speech and what he hit at in
that speech which was so important, you know, besides saying

(07:28):
things to the effect the world belongs to sovereign nations
and not the globalists. That might have been another speech,
but that was the import of this speech. But he
also said, how can you be pessimistic? He said, you know, look, look,
we're not too far from Bruno Leski's Dome in Florence,
this incredible dome that was built during the Renaissance, which

(07:48):
is an amazing story that Linda Laruche used to talk
about all the time because it was actually started in
the dark ages and the base of the dome the
city fathers of Florence decided to build a dome bigger
than anything that had ever been built. So they built
the base right, and they wanted a freestanding dome without
flying buttresses and so on. So when they built it

(08:08):
actually didn't know how they were going to complete it.
And then you had the Dark Age, so it just
like the plan sat there forever. And then Bruno Leski
came in and made basically a scientific breakthrough. But most
importantly he then taught the workmen of Florence basically new
physical principles because he's asking them to climb up this huge,

(08:30):
hundreds and hundreds of foot thing of build it and
believe that it's not going to collapse while they're building it.
And they did it lasts to this day. It's one
of the most beautiful sites in all of Europe. Brun
Aleski's Dome. And you know, Trump said, look at this,
look at what we did, look at the problems we solved.
We didn't know how we were going to finish it.
It's kind of like Kennedy's saying, we're going to the moon.

(08:52):
We don't know how, but we're going to the moon, right,
And that, to me is what the oligarchy fears more
than anything, because when when people, when people have a
sense of the power of the human mind, that we
can solve our problems, that we can meet new challenges,
that we are set above the beast, because no animal
could have built Bruneleski's dome. That's when the oligarchy gets really,

(09:15):
really nervous. And that's where I think, you know, that's
why they feared Kennedy, because he carried that up to
I mean, I'm a child of that era. You know,
I was going to be an astronaut when I was
in high school, and you know, because that's what Kennedy
enkindled in people. So they killed that and they've basically
been beating it back right for the past sixty years.

(09:38):
And Trump comes along and you know, inspires it. So
you know, you take that speech in Davos where he
walked into the belly of the beast Davos and said,
you people are all screwed up, and we're not playing
by your rules any longer. Then they thought they had
taken him out, you know, by denying him the election,

(09:59):
and he and we he fought our way back in
and so now he goes back in and he puts
the whole thing on steroids.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, no, it's really obvious. And it's funny. As you
were talking about Bordowski's dome and it was funny, I'm
not thinking to myself, one, Italians, that's the way the
way we operate like that doesn't it doesn't matter. We'll
figure it out. Just don't building, We'll figure it out.
It's a thing. And you know, and if you've ever
been I have friends of mine who are businessmen and
they're like, have you ever been to an Italian factory?

(10:27):
I go to Germany, first military to German factory, and
you're like, it all makes it all makes perfect logical sense,
and it kind of works, and you go to an
Italian factory and it's just like insane thing that's like
for that looks like chaos and it's fourteen times is efficient?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Right? Right?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Because Italians. And that's just I'm going to indulge in
my racism here, Chris Swell, you know, nepotism and all that,
but more of a to think about what their propaganda recently,
remember the the Netflix movie Don't look up right. That's
what they want USA. They don't ever want us looking
up right. That movie, the the asteroid was coming, and
so what's there, what's their the what's the government's reaction

(11:03):
to this? To keep people from like freaking out? Don't
look up, don't just ignore the asteroid, right, no, no,
don't try and stop the asteroid from ending the world.
Don't look up and ignore it, and then everybody will
just die. And that's that's, that's this thing. Don't aspire
to anything, don't look up, just be, you know, just
go to work every day, put your head down, because
you can't affect anything. You have the agents in your life.

(11:25):
We control your destiny and we know what's best for you.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
And you know, they could kind of get away with
it for a while, but you know, frankly post two thousand,
I mean because people, people could make it up to
a point, you know, you could still scramble and so
on and have a house and maybe have a couple
of kids and so on and so forth. That world
kind of ended in two thousand and eight. Agree, no,

(11:49):
And from that point on they knew we weren't going
to be able to even throw stops, you know, proletariat,
you know, and and this is what drives gen Z,
you know, gen X, the millennials. I mean they're sitting
there saying I was at the Michigan Republican Policy Conference
this last weekend on Mackinac Island and they had a

(12:11):
final kind of wrap up panel which had people representing
different constituencies, and they had they head the College Republicans
and they had someone representing the young Republicans, more of
the millennials, and they both said the same thing. You know,
you know, we couldn't in the current economy, We couldn't
even imagine owning a house until we're like fifty years

(12:33):
old if then. Right, So you know, the by by
you know, by crashing the economy, by moving into a
new phase of insanity, which is hyperinflation and furtherish shrinking
productive jobs and so on, they took a couple of
generations and they basically just threw them to the wolves.

(12:54):
Now they figured they could pacify them, you know, with entertainment, drugs,
you know, social media and so on. And then along
came Donald Trump and said, no, you you know, there
actually is a way.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Out of this. And I don't think it really.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Took hold until we got into twenty twenty four. And
now with the assassination of Charlie Kirk as Erica Kirk said,
they have no idea what.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
They've unleashed, because I agree this.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Generation which they you know, which which really does have nothing,
and they were told you're going to have nothing, and
you're going to be happy, you know, and you're happy,
you know, ordering uper or whatever.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
But that that's.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Over and now something, you know, a new flame has
sort of been fed into that that rarefied atmosphere. And again,
I don't think they have any idea what they've unleashed.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
No, I really don't think they have either what's interesting
or maybe they do. It's It's funny the more I
think about this, and I've been I've been thinking about
this a lot recently, but what you just said about
owning a house, and I've been thinking about Trump's singing
or focus on the realisting of Fanny and Freddy and
the Great American Mortgage Company and all of that stuff,
because I'm and deep into that, and I've been thinking

(14:07):
about that. I've been thinking about Brexit, but thinking about
Trump's first election. I've been thinking about the two thousand
and eight financial crisis and how important is sub the
government sponsored thirty year fixed rate mortgages and all of
those things. And I say to myself, you know, if
I'm a dirty comy, which these people are, go through
the planks of you know, of the end of the envy,

(14:27):
of the unquenchable envy of Marxist political thought, and you
realize that their goal is always to destroy the middle
class right, to take away their ability to generate generational
wealth and to have a functional middle class, because a
functional middle class isn't ever going to you know, create
the workers revolution. So you have to take the functional

(14:47):
middle class away from them, take that lifestyle away from them,
radicalize them, hand them the unquenchable envy of Marxism to
go animate their their murderous spree, and let's go, you know,
let's go kill all the rich people who aren't the
ones the rich people they can see as opposed to
the ones that are actually pulling on a running it.
They're actually pulling the strings. Right, Marxism is just you

(15:08):
got another false dialectic just to allow these people to change,
to meet the new boss same as the old bosses
to who would put it right. So now I'm thinking
about this and I'm going, wow. So the entire two
thousand financial two thousand and eight financial crisis was the
mechanism by which to destroy the thirty year government sponsored mortgage. Okay,

(15:32):
that's why Fanny and Freddy were quote unquote bailed out.
They weren't bailed out. They were the bad bank that
bailed out aig Right, who was the one that was
in trouble, and Fanny and Freddy took the blame. Obama
took control of them, put them in the conservatorship, stole
their freaking prompits. They were never unprofitable, and then turned
around and use that money to fund Obamacare and keep

(15:56):
them and they were in the planet was to keep
them conservative ship forever and then right new owner, right
new mortgage requirement and underwriting rules that look like the
same underwriting rules they have in Canada and or any
for any long term mortgage or anywhere else. I was
talking to a Canadian friend of mine the other day
about this, and he's like, yeah, like, we have the
thirty year mortgage in Canada and they said, well, explain

(16:16):
to me the term he's like, and he starts listening
them off. I'm like, well we have now, that's not
what we ever had before. That's not what we had before.
So oh and then and then it all started and
it all just fell into place. And then what do
you do? Then you go to the zero bound. You
jack up and you pay the boomers off to to
to to sell their their ancestral homes and you know,

(16:39):
ten times what they paid for it fund their retirement.
Look at their look down their nose, that they're kids,
that their gene x kids do they always hated anyway,
and they say, no, we're not going to pass any
of the wealth and go out and work for yourself.
Y'all lazy yet lazy fucking bum which is what they've
been telling us since we were twelve years old. Now,
my parents were signed generation. They didn't do that, but
every other boomer parent have ever met did that. Sorry, Boomers,
I you know how much I hate y'all.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
And then I'm a boomer.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
So I know you are. But that's no, no, no offense.
You're a good boom. There are a few, there are
a few of them, most of them. Most of them
are my patrons. Oh, by the way, all right, and
so and so is Donald Trump. But my point is
that the boomer generation, the ethos of the boomer generation
has always been this, and it's in this a certain
kind of like spiritual boomerism is what a friend of
mine likes to call it. And I'm and and I'm
being unfair here, but let's just you know what I'm

(17:23):
talking about. So you have this, this, this, this, this,
this setup, and then they're like, well, you know, we're
gonna go on on cruise to Alaska. We're gonna go
see the world that we never got his hands to
see because we've been working our entire lives. Even if
they're not even if even if they're they're they're they're
not wrong and saying go out and you build it yourself, Like,
but dad, I can't.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, not in this you can't do that anymore in
this way right now.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
I can't do that anymore. And they don't understand it
because the whole point of inflation is to make it
impossible for the older generations and the younger generations to
be able to compare notes about what it's what it's
like to actually just a certain point in terms of income.
You know, who, Costs don't matter to you, Like it
doesn't matter how much steak costs, because you've got enough
money twenty dollars back, who cares, like, whatever, we can

(18:08):
still have it. Okay, maybe we only have stake four
times a month? Is bost to five? You know that
kind of thing. Yeah, so it's it doesn't really hit you.
So the whole point of this was then to go
to the zero bound jack the jack, the interest race
down to zero, jack housing prices to infinity, take away
all the jobs, derastinate what's left to the freaking suburbs,
a lot of a lot of the private equity firms

(18:29):
like black Rock and everybody else to come in and
buy up all the single family jack the prices up
even further, then go through a massive inflation post COVID,
and everybodys standing around going how the hell am I
ever gonna get a job? How are you ever gonna
get a job to buy a house, Which was the
whole point of moving us into fifteen, Which is the
whole point to move us into fifteen, into our collegies, right,
it was all plant and I hate to do like

(18:49):
Dexter Whites are gonna listen to this, He's gonna be
like really angry with me that I like just put
it all on a linear narrativecause he hates when I
do this, but come right about that, because if I'm
Emperor Palpatine, if I'm the freaking I found the British Empire,
which is what Emperor Palpatine is based on. Oh that's
what I would do if I understood how to manipulate
as if I manipulate currencies and bond yields and everything else.

(19:13):
I've read a great thread the other day. I don't
know if you If you, I don't know how much
you know about the history on greenbacks and Lincoln and.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
A little bit. I mean, I've got a friend who's
written a whole book on it.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
But yeah, yeah, And I'm actually going to publicly announced
now that I'm going to apologize to Alan Brown, who's
one of the more than one of the more modern
proponents of greenbacks. But when I was a dumb and
archo capitalist, I used to like scream about this, that
this was stupid. But apparently then you know, and I'm
going to make this point real quick, because this is
that the greenback was was you know, Lincoln's way of

(19:43):
paying for the war, and he was going to move
to full faith and predator the credit of the of
the US government as the backum of the currency now
hard money guy like myself, that's not necessarily great. But
what happened, What was the response from the British banks,
was to put pressure on Congress to make sure that
you couldn't pay back bond, You couldn't pay back bonds

(20:06):
in anything other than gold, and you could for customs
duties and anything other than gold. So the green back
thenfel thirty cents on the dollar, which they then all
bought up at thirty cents on the dollar and then demanded,
you know, against the bonds that were issued, then demanded
to be paid back at part. They're doing that, they've
been doing that same running that same scam. Paul Singer

(20:27):
has been running that same scam and the rest of
these guys against Argentinian debt and chi In debt and
everything and all these other deaths. And they've been running
that same scam through the IMF the entire time you
and I have been alive. It's the same scam.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, they haven't learned a whole lot new and.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Well, why it's the greatest scam ever made.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, you know, until you get some people who come
along and whether they call it the American system or not,
this administration of some of the people in it, like JD.
Vance and Best and every so often reference the American system,
reference Alexander Hamilton. But you know, they're so terrified of
this because they can always run these kind of manipulations.

(21:06):
If you think that your currency needs to be tied
to something which is physical in the sense of gold
or whatever, or controllable by somebody else. But if you
look at Alexander Hamilton's Report on Manufactures, where he says,
the wealth of a nation is not its gold, it's
not its raw materials, it's not even its land. It's

(21:29):
the productive powers of labor, by which he means the
ability to constantly improve man's relationship to nature through technology,
through education, through longer living standards, and so on. Now,
think of if you're actually making your decisions, if you're
measuring your economic decisions and even the issuance of your

(21:51):
currency with that as really your your metric. Now you've
got to somehow tether your currency to this. And that's
what the gold reserve standard was up until nineteen seventy one.
You know, but a lot of people are confused. They think, oh,
we have the gold standard before nineteen seventy one, no
gold standard. You only issue a dollar for a dollar
of gold. And as you said, what happens when the

(22:12):
other guys own the gold? Right? Whereas the American system
is based on the idea, and Hamilton was very clear
on this, there's nothing wrong with going into debt as
long as by doing so, you created the means to
extinguish the debt.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
So, if you're going to invest in a new factory
which is going to make you more productive and give
you a profit, you're going to extinguish the debt. If
you're going to send man to the moon, and by
doing so, force you to make all sorts of technological
breakthroughs which we would not have made in the timeframe otherwise,
which is why we got ten cents back for every

(22:49):
dollar we spent on the Apollo project. You've created the
means for extinguishing the debt. It's a different way of thinking,
you know, and it gets out of the world of
money now.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Guess right there, it's actually not That's actually the way
the system is supposed to work. When you're when you're
a company, when you're an entrepreneur, you have two ways
of of of financing your idea. You can either buy
debt or you can sell equity. Right, it's one or
the other, and there's wrong and there's nothing wrong with
either of those things. All it depends on the cost
of capital that's available to you at that point of time.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
And one of my favorite stories about Henry Ford because
when Henry Ford wanted to build the first assembly line
in Highland Park, he had the Dodge Brothers on the
board of directors with him, and they just wanted a
coupon clip. They just wanted their stock dividends. And it's no,
I'm going to have to use some of this to
build this new plant. So he just bought them out
and then he used the equity because he did not

(23:42):
want to go into debt. He hated Wall Street, and
I think everybody knows, you know. And he built the
Highland Park plant, which was the first assembly line in
the world. But by the time that thing was kicking,
he was building more cars than all the other carmakers
in the world combined, right, you know. But again it
was you know, because he I mean, he made a

(24:02):
lot of money, he used a lot of money, but
for him, money was just always plowed back in.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
How can you make it more productive.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Well, and this is and this is the thing about
this is the misconception about debt and profit and everything else.
And this is where you know, at times like there
are you know, I have no I have no issue
with with you know, with with interest as a as
a concept, interest is the thing that coordinates the demand
that is applied for money based on the based on

(24:28):
the needs of the human capital that's available out there.
And it should be a floating rate on it should
always be a floating rate. And that's why I have
no real use for a central bank. And blah blah
blah blah. Now I say that knowing full well that
I defended the Federal Reserve in recent years because things
are so unbelievably cocked up and weird that we have
to actually use the FED as a weapon against all

(24:49):
the other evil central banks that are out there. But
that's a that's a temporary problem. And you know, sometimes
you have to make a deal with a dragon in
order to fight other dragons because you don't because you
were dude with a sword. That's just the way things are. So.
But the basic concept of you know, even any kind
of non market interest rate for money or cost, the

(25:10):
capital rate for money. It's just it's just it's anathema
to human entrepreneurship and human ingenuity. And so that's the
that's the key, is to get back as close to
that process as possible. And that's what the you know,
And that's for the most part, what most of the
hard money crowd is trying to focus on. That they
get lost in the religious religiosity of both bitcoin and

(25:33):
gold and everything else. People who are you know, who
don't have a functional religion always create one. I don't
care if it's gold, bitcoins, star Wars or you know,
the spaghetti Monster. You know, but that's the way things work,
and that's because that's the way the human being, the
way the human mind works. I prefer them to, you know,
pick something that was a little bit more sustainable than

(25:53):
any of the things just mentioned. Me personally, I'm still
confused as to how the universe operates, and none and
none of my opinions about it matter anyway, So who cares.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
The universe ultimately will tell you whether you're right or wrong.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Bingo, bingo. That's why I'm like, you know what, the
universe is far more interesting than anything I have to say.
About it. So let's just leave that on the cutting
room floor and we'll move on. Let's let's talk. Let's
talk about how we're going to get shipped one tomorrow.
But I've been I've said many times that if God
created the world in six days, on the seventh day,
he rested on any eighth day, man created money. To
get shipped done right, it's not hard. So but I

(26:29):
mean I think that that's I think that's where we're
going here for the way that we have to start
rethinking some of our quote unquote free market principles on
how these things are going to how we're going to
fix things. We're in a we're in a very perilous
moment in time, I think from an institutional standpoint, and sometimes,
and I really do believe that, you know, you sometimes

(26:52):
are going to have to do that which you would
be against your quote unquote principles in order to stabilize
the situation to get things done. It's like doing triage.
It's you know, at the end of the day, it's
just the way things are.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
You know, for a lot of people, I think they
have to you know, I've had so many people, you know,
when I'm out in the political sphere, you know, saying
all right, I've had to rethink everything I thought.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I mean, I've been preaching American system versus British free
trade for fifty years. You know, I've been out there
trying to organize people on the ground over this for
fifty years. And you know, maybe one tenth of one
percent got it. That along comes Donald Trump says boom, terriffs, right,
and people love Donald Trump and they say, well, okay,

(27:39):
I didn't think I was for that, but I trust
Donald Trump because I know what he's gone through to
get back into the presidency and so on. So if
he's for tariffs, then I have to rethink what I
think my principles are. And I think that's terrific because
it's actually forcing people to go back and deal with
this much more fundamentally. You know, it's so easy free trade,

(28:01):
free we it's free you know, bullshit, there's no such.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Thing, right, we have the any This is one of
the other things I like to how I to describe
this is that we have free trade, but it's only
within the boundaries of the box of economic activity that
we're allowed to have and that and that box has
been defined by other people, so they allow the illusion
of free trade. What they exist within that box being

(28:26):
being a chemist and a quantum mechanics guide. To me,
this is just the particle in the box. Where the
particle in the box, and they've set the rules of
the box. Problem is is that a lot of capital
leaks outside the box and then use that capital to
reinforce the box, and we get to think that we're
really just rats in a cage pushing you know, pushing
a skinner box button against each other free trade. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah. An interesting discussion this weekend at the conference with
a fairly impressive young, up and coming Republican figure, and
I showed him the half page flyer our political group
has created which is the new Republican of Donald Trump
versus the Uniparty, and on the back a contrast Trump's

(29:11):
tariff policies to free trade. And he looked at me and
he says, oh, I really like this, he said, But
you know, I don't think you're really against free trade.
I said, you say, am. Now, you know, you know
if everybody abided by it, it would work and then
we you know, and I don't think. So we talked
about a little bit further, and then he popped out

(29:31):
with something which I thought was really interesting. He said, well,
it works within the confines of a system which is
embedded in certain values. And I said, bingo, So you know,
it's not free trade, it's where are you trying to
go with your society. Are you trying to just screw everybody,
loot the entire planet and have a couple of people

(29:52):
who made it to the top, you know, the economic
equivalent of survivor or do you have another purpose for
your society and it's within that purpose for your society
that you know, then you let economic rules and obviously
a certain you know, free exchange of ideas and creativity
and so on and so forth. But it was a

(30:13):
really kind of interesting discussion because we went from sort
of the labels much more of the actual concept.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah. No, it's it's very it's very obvious at a
certain levels. You bring all this up, right, And here's
the funny part about it. What happened the last week
when Jerome Powell, Jerome Powell, mister mister high Priest of
Kanesianism himself, because he's the head of the Federal Resoever,
what did he say the other day, Oh, well, you know,
tariffs were a little bit inflationary upfront, but they're not
going to be inflationary. And well, I always knew that

(30:40):
Powell was eventually going to say this. Oh, by the way,
I could see this coming from I could see this
like this, this is coming from like a mile away,
especially when Jackson holy also got rid of the two
percent inflation target and said, we're going to want to
focus on American labor, the health of the American labor market,
which is to your point that this is all about
how how can we unlock thetentional of the American you know,

(31:02):
the American labor force there. So there's that right. What
was interesting is that I've been saying to myself for
a long time, I'm like, yeah, no, if you don't
think that, Scott Bess and Jerome Powell have been like, Okay,
how do we roll this out? And what's the order
of operations? We have to roll this thing out because
of course, because you know that those two guys are
going to sit there and say, well, and even if

(31:22):
Howell did believe the teriffs were inflationary, say back in
March he did, best is going to be sitting there
every Monday morning. But Jerome, are you printing more money
with the tariff? And he's like, well no, I'm like,
well then it's not inflationary. Tariffs don't inflate, don't create
more money, and they don't destroy money. They just move around.
Who gets, you know, a bigger or lesser proportion of

(31:44):
the existing stock of money. From the quantity theory of
money perspective, right, there's no money you gainer destroyed. Now
every time you raise or lower interest rates for and
people are paying off that or not paying off that.
That's when money is created destroyed. That's a different process.
And that's that process is a dependent of whether or
not Donald Trump is laying tariff's on our trade partners

(32:05):
or not. And eventually, even if Powell is you know,
like a full blown died in the wall canes, which
like you know, he's the first Gentile to ever control
the Federal Reserve and he's the first American to ever
control the Federal Reserve. Guys an eight generation American like
Beston is, like you think he's a race trader, Like no,

(32:25):
this is the funny part about it, Like I hate
to bring up the whole jew gentile thing, but it's true,
so we need to bring it up. So it's just funny,
Like I've been watching this for so long, and I'm like, no, seriously,
we're gonna watch We're gonna look back, and we're gonna
own the Powell was the guy who set up the
reform of the Federal Reserve, and they're all gonna hate
him on the way out of the door. They're gonna
write history books about Powell, how he was a terrible guy.
You wait, gonna be like that for the next thirty years,

(32:47):
forty years. Powell's gonna be the new Arthur Burns. You know,
it's gonna be interesting that that's your life on it.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
It's clear the administration is setting this up, you know,
to be able to carry out reforms over time.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I mean, you know, I do weekly shows, you do stuff.
You know, you get why don't they shut down the
FED tomorrow morning? Well give me a break. Please explain
to me, number one, how you're going to get Congress
to do that, and number two, what are you put
in its place? I mean, we have a relatively complicated world,
you know, I know the principles of national banking, so
we had a national bank under Hamilton and John Quincy Adams.

(33:23):
Then we had national banking under Abraham Lincoln. We haven't
had We've had sort of a little bit of hybrids
with things like the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, but that's just
more like a development bank. So and now we're in
the twenty first century with you know, quantum computers and
you know, algorithms and exotic financial you know, interests and

(33:47):
so on and so forth. Do I know what national
banking looks like in the twenty first century? No, But
I have a feeling that people like Scott Bessant, you know,
and people like that are actually thinking about what does
it look like and how are you going to get there?
And it's not going to be fast, but it's you know,
but the discussion has started. That's what I enjoy, you know,

(34:10):
sort of like you know, me trying to proselytize about
you know, free trade being bad for fifty years and
nobody listening. You know, the same thing in terms of
the FED. Now with free trade, maybe one tenth of
one percent understood it. On the FED, I'd say maybe
one percent understood it.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
There's there's a bit.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Of an anti Fed culture out there, you know, going
back to you know, well, really the foundation of the FED.
It's only a couple of generations back. But now everybody's
talking about it.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Well, and it's because it's because Trump decided to popularize
the issue and do what he owns. And then when
you and when he goes to popularizing issue, Donald Trump
could wwe guy he is, creates a bad guy and
then makes a scapegoat, and Jerome Powell is like, Okay,
I'm it whatever, and Peell doesn't care. This is the
funny part about this conversation about well, what's the stupid

(35:03):
Trump and Powell? Because of course the minute he comes
out after Powell, I think literally my text my Twitter
dms are blowing up, my text messages are blowing up,
My patrons are screaming what's going on. I'm like, have
you met Donald Trump? Like really, like you can't see
this coming from a mile away. I'm like yeh. For
about thirty seconds, I was like, really, Trump, this is
not this is not Let's just put it this way.

(35:25):
You've got three guys at the top of the financial
three of the most powerful men in the world around
president of United State. It's the Treasury Secretary and the
head of the Federal Reserve. All three are independently wealthy.
They're all men at the end of their careers who
have absolutely no desire, have no need to be doing
the job that they're doing. When Powell was going through
the terrible manipulations to keep going from coming in for

(35:47):
a second term, Daniel de Martinez Booth, myself and a
couple of others kept saying the same thing. He doesn't
need to do this. He can leave, he can go,
he can go in the private equity. Right now, if
Lale Brainer would come in and become FED chair howl,
go out and he'd make billions in private equity because
of what because of the crap that she's going to do,
And he decided to stick it out at the FED

(36:08):
like it doesn't make, it doesn't compute. He's there because
he's worried about the future of the country and the
Fed's role in the future of the country. And that's
what he's doing, and in his way, he's set that.
I think he set the table. I think he and
wall Street absolutely set the table. You're gonna talk about
this a little bit. Set the table with the change
to the securit overnight financing rate to set the foundation

(36:30):
to allow the political change that is now coming. And
it's Trump's job now to sell this very esoteric idea
of how we organize and capital and how we utilize capital,
and whether it should be a proper function of the treasury,
and whether bank regulation should be a proper function of
the Treasury or whether all that should be up under
the Federal Reserve. And I don't see Powell out there
like arguing, oh, no, you can't take the bank regulation

(36:53):
away from Muslim Powell's thinking of myself, Powell, I guess.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Please, well, I'm going to reserve judgment on Jerome Powell.
But on the rest of it, in terms of what
this administration is doing, it is clear to me, no.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I think it's I think nothing like this happens unless
Powell is the guy doing what he's needed to do
at this moment time. Because look I said before, if
you think about what policy that Trump Investment have run
since they've been in office, which is a week dollar
policy putting up protection terrorists, as Powell's high interest rate

(37:25):
policy has only supported that, It's only driven the euro higher,
it's only driven the pound higher. When they don't have
any exports into this new terror regime. So it's like
they're it's like you're hitting them twice. You're not only
like beating them with a baseball bat, you're beating them
with a baseball bat after you've driven two spikes through it.
And we're enacting escape from New York. You know, like
this is this, this is the scenario because a strong

(37:48):
a strong currency plus a protection terrorf makes it impossible
for your for those people to actually trade with you,
the exporters to trade with you, and that's why the
German economy is falling off the cliffic beast. Sure, and
of course if that would also then dovetail with Trump's
desire to end the war in Ukraine and end to
Europe's war of aggression against Russia. So it makes perfect

(38:10):
sense from a geopolitical perspective for Powell to hold on
for as long as possible while Trump popularizes the idea
of getting rid of the FED, and then Powell comes
in and changes his policy, gets rid of the stupid
two percent mandate which was put in place by globalist
Bernaki against his judgment, against his against his not judgment,
but his his opposition. When he was a junior member

(38:30):
of the FED back in two thousand and seven. He
was there and he and Richard Fisher and a couple
of others were all like, you can't do this, and
Bernachi's like, we're doing it well because he was told
from on high that it's time for us to do this.
And that's why like watching all of these things play out,
and the more I learned about the history of the
internals of the FED and the way this all played
itself out, to me, it's crystal clear that Howell was

(38:53):
given to Trump originally by wall Street because he understood
what is necessary get done to start the process of
doing all the things that that he wants to do
and that they want to do, and whether they're doing
it is so that they can become masters of the
banking universe as opposed to the City of London. Hey, you know,

(39:13):
that's a that's a different problem for a different day.
I'm not averse to having that conversation, but as of
right now, I think it's very obvious that that's the dynamic.
I don't know where we go from here, but like
I'm happy to keep you know, to take it from there.
But I think what all I'm getting is I think
to Trump is getting more support internally than I think
even people realize from within the power structure on DC.

(39:37):
So why don't we talk about the government shutdownat wouldn't
that be the greatest thing I ever?

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah? I mean we may have too. I'm sitting in Michigan.
They may have a government shut down here?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Oh can we throw all can we throw all the
Muslims death precisely?

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Well, you know, I kind of wigh in on this
in our Live Q and A a little while ago.
People have got to really be very careful when they
start talking about the most Donald Trump won Michigan because
of Muslim Americans. Right, I'm sitting right next to Dearborn
Dearborn Heights, a couple of miles from ham Trammick, the
mayor of ham Trammick Mayor Galub the mayor of Dearborn Heights, Billbosi.

(40:15):
They are now ambassadors for Donald Trump. When's in Tunisian,
I can't remember where the other one went. And you know,
when you're talking about Muslims, you got to talk about
two things. You've got to talk about patriotic God. Fearing
their God is not that different from our God. Our
doctrines are different obviously, but you know, god fearing, patriotic

(40:35):
people who came to this country and are playing an
important role, and they are the reason Donald Trump won Michigan.
I want people to understand that because I'm really tired
of this.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Okay, fair, I love getting pushed back on. Yeah, my
newly found racism. It's good.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Then you have British created Muslim fundamentalism, which is where
you've got isis el kaeda you know, any crazy per
I mean, I've seen the video clips that's going out
from the guy in Dearborn, you know, in terms of
we're going to take over and you know, blah blah. Yeah,
of course you've got you've got a British intelligence operation,
same British intelligence operation that created Christian Zionism right in the

(41:14):
nineteenth century. Right, they play the two off against each other.
So you know, I mean, I know, obviously places like London,
Paris and elsewhere, you know, have been inundated by especially
Muslim immigration, and you know a lot of this is

(41:34):
you know, shaped by these British intelligence operations and so,
but you also just have a plain old clash of
culture because unlike unlike many of the Muslims who emigrated
here in the fifties and the sixties and the seventies
that went to work in the auto plants. And you know,
like any other immigrant community, you know, I have Polish

(41:55):
immigrants and Irish immigrants. You know, you ultimately assimilate. You
still honor your culture. Course, you know, we still have
a lot of big Polish festivals here, right, you honor
your culture. You still are a Roman Catholic, and you
go to a Polish church, you know, right down the
street from me as a Hungarian Reformed church where they
still speak Hungarian.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Right, you still honor your culture.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
And you know, I have no problem with you know,
people honoring their cultures from Lebanon and you know, Yemen
and so on and so forth, and and that is
frankly the majority.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Of them, of course, that is the majority of them.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Then you get the Rashida to leaps, you know, the
elon Omars, you know, and and and and probably a
whole layer of young Muslims who are becoming radicalized because
of the horrors of Gaza, who you know, can then
be manipulated and turned. But you know, I think we're
gonna I'm I'm I'm, you know, fingers crossed in terms

(42:50):
of this meeting that Trump had with Muslim leaders at
the UN, which there's been very little coverage of.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Oh wow, yeah, I want to talk about that. Hear it?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Well, well, you know, from what it looks like, I mean,
he's bringing in Muslim countries from outside the region like Indonesia,
right and others, you know, as part of a process
of developer, you know, rebuilding Gaza Arab peace keeping forces.
But you're not gonna have an Arab peace keeping force
from Lebanon, you know, I mean, I mean Muslim peace

(43:22):
keeping forces. It's gonna have to be from outside the region.
The rumors are that, you know, he basically said to
net and Yahoo know, you are not going to do
what you think you're going to do in Gaza. You know, again,
these are secondhand reports. Witkoff apparently came out of the
meeting like this. Uh So we're gonna have to see
how it unfolds. But I think, you know, if Trump

(43:45):
can settle this, well you know, we're gonna go you know,
it's gonna take a little bit a while, but we're
we're going to go back to where we were, you know,
We've gone through two phases in terms of this Muslim question.
One was after nine eleven, obviously, and of course you know,
we blame Saddam Hussein for what the Saudis did you know,

(44:07):
but that you know that inflamed an awful lot and
that lasted for a good two decades in the United States,
and then Trump came along, and especially in this last election,
where you know, the Muslim Arab community said, we may
not agree with you on a lot, we may not
even agree with you in terms of how you want

(44:29):
to settle Gaza or whatever, but we believe that you
want peace. Unlike every president who's come before you, who
has not wanted peace, they have just been playing a
geopolitical game. They truly believe that Donald Trump wanted peace.
And that's where we got these enormous swings in key,

(44:52):
key areas of Wayne County. And it was Wayne County
that nailed it. Because even though Wayne County is not
going to go report publican probably well maybe in my
lifetime if I live long enough, all you have to
do in Wayne County is moved six seven percent of
the vote, and you've got it. And that is what
we and that's where I am, and that is.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
What we did. Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
We had between the blue collar workers, which has sort
of been you know, my my focus, you know, getting
across the new Republican Party is the party of the
working class, which resonated very very strongly in the blue
collar areas of Wayne County, also McComb, but everyone knows
Wayne County is where they steal the.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Elections, right, same thing of Philadelphia used to be.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
You know how many people I mean, I went to
bed on election night. I said, I'm too old to
stay up all night. You know, I'll wake up at
some point and find out what's going on. And then
they call Michigan at like eleven fifteen at night. How
did that happen? Because the the you know, the the

(45:59):
buckets of absentee ballots that they had ready to go,
which they obviously used in twenty twenty, they knew they
didn't have enough buckets to overwhelm what had happened in Dearborn,
ham Trammic, Dearborn Heights and in the blue collar areas.
We just smoked them by getting people they did not
expect to vote to come out and vote for Donald Trump.

(46:21):
And at that point they knew there's no point we
can't steal it, and they had call Michigan.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, and I think the same thing happened in Philadelphia
and in Pittsburgh. And you know, I can tell you
that since we cleaned up the voter rolls, for example,
in Florida, not just the voter rolls, with the voter
processing system, where we don't have individual different different systems
based on how corp the county is. By the way, right,
we have one similar system for everything. And it used

(46:48):
to be that. You know, it's funny my wife, My
wife was an election worker at the Supervisor of Elections
during the Bush versus Gore fiasco and all the hanging
chads and all that down in Broward County. And she's
an electrial county, which is communists. I mean, I'm not
going to University of Florida. It's common the People's Republic
of electrical county. But you know, there's no voter fraud

(47:08):
in the logical county. We used the scandron ballots and
they hold onto them, and they did a handcount, and
the handcount is exactly the same as the machine count
and everything else. And you know, there's a perfectly valid
system it's the system that we now use all over
the state of Florida. The people there's no there's no
voter fraud in Latural County. People are just stupid, like we.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Haven't cleaned that's fine.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
You know, if the people will vote badly about that,
you're lose an electional Loctical County.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
But we didn't.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
But the point I want to haven't cleaned it up. Yeah,
you know, Michigan is one of the worst dates in
the country, I.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Mean, and you're still were able to overcome Yeah, we
were still able to overcome it by outflanking them, by
getting voters that they did not they did not expect.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
And that's the key.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Well, it was really interesting is that once we cleaned
the voter rolls up in Florida, then we started to
get a real sense of what it actually looks like
in West Palm Broward in Miami Dade and Orange County
by the way, which is which for those of you
who don't know, it is all right. Where they where
they you know, they didn't where they allowed Puerto Rico
to get wiped out multiple times by hurricanes, and then
they moved over to Puerto Ricans into Orlando and then
tried to get them olded but the vote Democrat, which

(48:11):
is what happened for a little while, or at least
the very or at least that's what we think how
they voted, because who the hell knows how many of
them they actually voted and how many of them didn't vote.
But they did the same thing in Tampa, and so
they were just zip Co targeting various places around the
around the state in order to turn part to blue.
It never worked and once DeSantis cleaned up the voter rolls,
that was never going to happen, which is part of

(48:32):
the reason why they were Interestingly, just so you know,
this is how bad all Actric County is. They sold
the fair grounds, which is this big, beautiful fairgrounds right
next to the Gainesville Airport, which is where we had,
you know, the Medieval Fair every year and the Atrial
County Fair and the Medieval Fair in the Elctric County
in Gainesville. It was one of the biggest in the state.
It was people came in from all over the state

(48:53):
for we had jousting and all sorts of great stuff, falconers,
the whole nine yards like one of the greatest. They
sold it to FEMA put trailers on so that they
could start zip code targeting out in the rural parts
of the coy of the of the county where they
were approving trailer parks in places that they had effectively
condemned by forcing low density zoning on. Meaning if you

(49:18):
broke up a twenty acre rural parcel into ot for county,
you can break it up in the five acre four
five acre parcels, but you had the cluster all the
all the the houses on a four acre parcel and
leave the other sixteen, which is effectively condemning the land
because now you're riding rural, but you gotta live back next.
You got to live right next to your neighbors, as
if you live in a fucking bird clave, right, nar
or paulty right, no, right. But they did all this

(49:40):
shit on purpose, and then they condemned by the land
and then they bought it all. They were stick trailers
on it so they can bring IQ sixty s ollies
in like this they were planning on. This was the
plan of the Biden administration, and they were doing it
in my backyard, and we're like, and then they sold
and they sold the fairgrounds. It's just disgusting these people
they like you. You can't hate them enough and not
hate them enough. So and that's not going to change

(50:02):
anytime soon until we bankrupt and told the Santons finally
bankrupt is the University of Freedom as we serve from scratch.
But I digress, Yes, so, I mean, but this is
the you know, these stories. I guess what I'm getting
at here is that these stories of what we see
in various parts of the country work twenty twenty six
and twenty twenty eight, you know, you know, watching where

(50:24):
they refuse to clean up the voter rolls are still
going to be the places where we're going to have
to deal with anyway. And even in the face of that,
Trump's popularity is so high that he can he can
actually overcome all that.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
You know that, Yeah, Well, one of the very interesting factors,
which gets back to what Erica Kirk said in terms
of you don't know what you've unleashed. You know, if
you're in you know, if you're you know, if you're
in the trenches. In terms of trying to get voters
out to vote, one of the big focuses for the
past couple of years inside the Republican party has been

(50:59):
the fact that the evangellicals don't vote. It's like seven
percent in the last off year election. Know, the numbers
are shocking. Now, I don't know that that was the
last off year. I think it probably improved somewhat in
a presidential election, but not marginally. So you take that

(51:20):
group of people who have just been you know, awakened
and energized and you know, are passionate now in the
wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination. You look at that memorial,
you know, you look at the response throughout the country,
throughout the world, and so on. You get those You
if if that layer begins to actually vote in numbers

(51:45):
commensurate with the rest of the country, that can make
all the difference in terms of the midterm election.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
It's more interesting, it'll ensure that there's a durable political
advantage or whatever it is that Trump is building now
for the next two generations. Exactly exactly what are staring
at right now. And there's no there's no amount of
illegal I mean, this is the ending, the ending the
illegal immigration and sending and sending half of them back
home is going to be enough to get a thirty
or forty seat majority in the House come next fall. Anyway,

(52:13):
I mean, you know this, we're talking about the kind
of thing where this is a super majority that you know,
you're looking at a potential scenario, reversal of what it
looked like, you know in during FDR hears, you know,
whether the Republican where the Republican Party was an afterthought
in American politics until Marnin Reagan.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Well, and I think the globalists, the smarter ones, are
recalibrating and figuring out. Okay, the Democratic Party as we've
turned it into the party of batchit crazy lunatics. You
know that dog don't hunt. I mean it may hunt
for a little while, and you know, some of the
cities and so on, but it's not working. So I

(52:54):
want people to keep their eye on Michigan because we
actually have the mayor of Detroit, Mike Duggan, who was
put in by the billionaires about fifteen years ago to
make Detroit kind of the poster child for the WEF Detroit,
which was completely bombed out you couldn't walk down Woodward
Avenue in the middle of the day in the nineteen eighties.

(53:16):
Now is a beautiful, glistening modern city with sports arenas
and restaurants, and you feel good. I'm a native detroitter.
I mean, I feel a lot better looking at Detroit
today than in the nineteen nineties. But then you find
out how they did it. They did it on the
backs of the neighborhoods. They did it with huge tax abatements,

(53:37):
raising the property taxes on the people in the neighborhoods,
you know, gentrifying more and more and more of the city. Okay,
So that's Duggan's great success story, and everybody thinks it's
wonderful and so on. He's now running for governor as
an independent. We have an important governor's race in twenty
twenty six. The Republicans have not settled on a candidate.

(53:57):
There's like five people or six at the last comp
in the race. The Democrats are not united. They've got
the Secretary of State, Jocelyn Benson, they've got the Lieutenant governor,
They've they've got a bunch of people already, so they
aren't even settled. So they're going to be in a
cat fight until the primary. And the billionaires on both

(54:18):
sides are backing Duggan. And you know, this is a plurale.
It's not out of the question. Dugan could win as
an independent in Michigan. And I think this is part
of you know, the globalists beginning to regroup saying, okay,
well we use this Democratic Party as long as it's

(54:38):
any good, just like they discarded the old Republican Party
of Teddy Roosevelt at a certain point. Like you were saying,
it's an afterthought. I think people see the Democratic Party
is becoming an afterthought. I mean, I don't think we
can be complacent about twenty twenty six, but that's the
direction it's going. So their recat what are they going
to do next? You know, you've got this no Labels group,

(54:59):
which is what Dugan is sort of like the poster
boy for. Oh, both parties are so polarized, you know,
aren't you tired of both parties? And you know, can't
we just get together and talk about policy and so on?

Speaker 3 (55:11):
So, you know, I just think.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
People have to keep their ears up in terms of
you know, the the elites think in generations, you know,
and they could care less about any particular institution or
any person or any country. They discard them like they
discard old socks, you know, and they're ready to discard

(55:35):
this smelly old sock called the Democratic Party and figure
out what's going to come next. Because their other problem is, man,
they do not control the Republican Party any longer. No,
a lot of Trump has got that lockdown.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Now. That is very that was very, very much obvious.
What I was going to say is, I think it's
pretty clear from the the what remnant of the Democratic
Party is still active, that they've all been told it's
time to go or civil war two point up. And
I fully see every move that AVENUWSM is making, that
Kathy Hochel and and and and whatnot in New York,

(56:08):
what they're doing. And I'll be honest with you. And
now you're bringing up Dugan, I'm like, okay, Like I
have a new map of the of of the of
the world of the United States that looks like all
of the Democratic strongholds try to seceed from the Union
to deny us the waterways of the and all the
warmwater port, all the real other really important ports and
leave us a quote unquote landlocked hub, meaning you take

(56:30):
the entire northeast, the west, the left coast, and most
of the most of the areas around the Great Lakes
along with Canada, and that's there, and that's their new
outposts to deny US as a kind of area denial strategy.
I can see this. I can see what they're doing
and see what they're doing in Canada with Mark Karney.
You can see how they're going to try and uh,

(56:52):
DeFi ice in Chicago. Now we've got Michigan on now
I'm hearing from you from Michigan. I like, it's very
clear to me that this is part of what they're
New York and all the rest of the Northeast. So
what are they doing. They're making regional alliances to go
against the CDC's regular recommendations on vaccines and this and that,
and they're trying to, Okay, what do we have, What

(57:13):
can we salvage here? How can we further split people?
How can we polarize people even further and force Donald
Trump into an action that we can then scream dictator.
That's their goal. They're trying to run the Lincoln script
on him.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, I think they're trying it. But you know, I
think as long as we keep our nerve and we're
not stupid, it's a very important thing. Our side has
to not be stupid. And so far we're doing okay.
But you know, you look at New Jersey. You know,
they just came out with the Poles. Republican is running
neck and neck with the Democrat. New Jersey. There's one
of your coastal cities.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
It's very it's very important. It's a very important. You know,
it's a very important industrial hub for Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
It's you know, it's I mean, that's why I've been
so focused on this question of the new Republican Party,
which is really the old Republican Party of Abraham Lincoln. Right,
you know, it's the party of the producers. And when
you get I mean the way that the Democrats and
the people who really run them, you know, they operate
that I keep coming back to this terrific quote from
Scott Besson. I keep whenever I give a speech in

(58:17):
front of Republican Democrats, I always joke. I never thought, I,
you know, I would be enamored of a Treasury secretary.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
I mean, they've all been.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Creatures from the black lagoon, right, and this guy is amazing.
But in one interview he did he said, you know,
the Democratic Party has a strategy which is called compensate
the losers, Right, so you take away their ability to
support themselves, support a family, you know, and have any
kind of identity and so on, and then you throw
money at them, you know, and then they're basically you know,

(58:48):
they're consumers. You know, they're controlled, and so on and
so forth. But and what Beston said is, you know,
I don't think these people are losers. I think the
system has been rigged against them, and we're changing the system,
which is pretty revolutionary for a Treasury secretary. But it
also know that relates to the experience that we had

(59:10):
when we were organizing. We went out to the auto
plants during the strike in twenty twenty three, and we
didn't know what kind of response we were going to get.
And I wrote a leaflet which was Donald Trump's message
to auto workers, and I went through his tariff policy
and his anti green policies, and we found then that
sixty percent of the autoworkers, despite Sean Fain and the leadership,

(59:31):
were for Donald Trump. Well, the first plant we went
to was in one of the suburbs. Then we said,
all right, let's really put this to the test. Let's
go to the Stalantis plant in Detroit, where the workforce
is largely a black workforce, Black, Hispanic, Muslim, Arab and
so on, same percentages. Nice, Right, now, what does that

(59:54):
tell you? It tells you that if you actually have
a producer identity, you know how the world works. You're
not just us, you know, getting your opinions from your
union president or you know, you know the fake news.
You're actually engaged in a real process, in the real
world where you think through the consequences of your actions.

(01:00:14):
I always say, you know, if you're engaged in productive activity,
you're not allowed to have an opinion, which is wrong
because your you know, if your opinion is this, you're
gonna lose your hand. You know, if you're a farmer
in your opinion is that you can plant in December,
we're all going to starve to death and you'll rapidly
discover your opinion doesn't work. So people who are engaged
in the productive process are interfacing with the real world.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
It actually gives a different identity to people, and they
made the right decision in this election. In fact, it
was probably seventy percent in some plants from you know,
the reports we got from from our autoworker friends. So
the more people who can shed the identity of victims
and consumers, you know, and start thinking either as producers

(01:01:01):
or I would like to be a producer. Right the
less the enemy's cy war is going to operate, and
the civil war scenario, I have no doubt is one
of their scenarios. But we just have to sort of
dry up the environment within which something like that would work.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
And I've agreed, I agree. That's why I keep going
back to the entire why the urgency on Trump's part
about interest rates, why he went to the war, you know,
went to war with Powell publicly, even though that was
I still think it was KFE, but I'm not it
was the right thing to do strategically, because the goal
is to get Fanning and Freddie rolled out out of

(01:01:37):
Conservative ships that you can rewrite the underwriting rules. You're
going to open up open up capital to the middle
class and to the small business owners who were having
telling you your small business owner in America is nearly
impossible to get traditional conventional thirty year mortgage. It's almost impossible.
Here's this pro tip, folks, make sure your taxes for
the year are in so after the debt, so only

(01:01:58):
apply for a mortgage after the extension deadline and before
April fifteenth, try between those other six months. Forget it,
You'll never get it time just because you can't bring
your books in to show that you make money, right,
you have no way to do so. Elizabeth Warren and
Bernie Sanders and all those fucking retards and the Barney Frank,

(01:02:20):
that literal fucking retard put in these stupid friggin rules.
They said, well, you've got to show us two years
with the tax returns. And they know damn well that
every small business owner in America doesn't have a you know,
doesn't file their taxes on time. They barely have enough
time to file their taxes anyway. Wouldn't it be lovely
right with the tariff revenue that's coming in with everything else,
that we can eliminate the income tax for married couples

(01:02:45):
under making on one hundred and fifty grand year. They don't.
They only contribute to like five percent of the income
tax revenue anyway, or ten percent, whatever the hell the
number is. It's, as Ron de Santas so eloquently put it,
it's budget dust, right. It's it's like it's the money. Yeah,
he was, he's pining giving back like a rebate of
last year's property taxes to the Floridians. And he's like,

(01:03:06):
it's like sixty million dollars, like and in far to
that budget. Thus we have that in petty cash, like
it's not even interest, it's not even interesting. We should
give this money back. And then of course this is
Ron the anteis who wants to get rid of property taxes.
And this is another one of the old British systems
that's been in place for why in this case, my
friend I and Burley Game would say the Dutch system

(01:03:26):
of coming in with William the conqueror and imposing property
tax and imposing tribute to the king on even the
English people, and then it's spread around the world. This
is something that also needs to end. We need a
This is I really do feel fundamentally about this, that
we're a certain point that you know, the Libertarians aren't
wrong about everything. They're actually wrong right for philosophical theybout

(01:03:47):
a great number of things. They're just wrong about how
to actually build anything, because the're not interested in building.
They're only interested in being critics, not interested in being architects.
They should go back and reread the Fountain Head again. Oh,
by the way, and actually take the take the and
remember that they're not Howard Worked, They're the exactly. I'm
kind of they're not right, They're not Howard Howard Work Rodber.

(01:04:09):
But that's the But that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I'm sort of kind of anticipating what the administration is
going to do. They keep talking about a possible housing emergency,
and I think they know they've got to do something big.
You know, they got to set a lot into motions
so that people are feeling it by the middle of
next year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
I agree, and that this is why. But I don't
think they can do that until after they actually get
Fanny and Freddy realisted and do the I p O.
Because at that point, Fanny and Freddy, being a private
company out of out of conservativeship and with the with
the government, is kind of a passive investor that they
can turn around with the board and they can they
can change the housing rules, they can change the underwriting
rules of the mortgage mortgage industry. So this is very,

(01:04:51):
very important because we have an opportunity during this crisis
period to rethink how we are going to build the
new society. We've had a society built on you know,
old British imperial rules. Even though we've been independent for
two hundred and fifty years, we still have the messages
of it, the foundations of it are still everywhere, which
is why we're still fighting this fight, which is why

(01:05:11):
I've been doing what you've been doing for the last
fifty years of your life, and why I've been doing
for the doing this ship for pretty much last twenty
five years of mine. So now the question is what
you know? This is? This is this is how I
broach all this stuff to my daughter, who does not
want to understand the stuff. She's nineteen but and it's
skeptical of everything that's happened. I'm like, our goal now

(01:05:31):
is to tear the old system down and provides you
with options as to what system you would like to see,
you would like to put in place over the course
of the next two generations when you come about that's
where that's where we have, That's where our mindset has
to be, because if we do that, I think, well,
we're not going to get into you know, a kind
of all just burn it all down and let God
sort them out. Yeah moment.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
And part of that is, you know, the whole worthy imperialists.
You know, the United States is the source of all
evil and so on and so forth, and it's really important
for people to realize there's an American history that you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Even know, right, you know, and it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Gave us the best. I mean again, you know, you
can be an Italian chauvinist. I'm a Detroit chauvinist. I'm
a Michigan chauvinist. And you know, Detroit in nineteen sixty
had the highest per capita standard of living in the
country because you had productive blue collar jobs. People own homes,
they had generational wealth, they knew their kids. I mean,

(01:06:28):
it would you know, it would work. You know, you'd
come in as a Polish coal miner, you'd work on
the assembly line. You know, your kid might have ended
up in management, and your grandkid would have ended up
as an engineer. Well that's actually my family's history, you know,
and that was ripped away from us with the assassinations
in the sixties and the wars and everything, and the

(01:06:51):
counterculture and everything the British hit us with. And we've
been gone through a long bunch of decades in pretty
much sliding into a dark age. That began to change
in twenty sixteen with Trump's selection. They hit hard, they
hit nasty, and we worked our way through it. And
as long as we as. I keep saying to people,

(01:07:14):
stay focused and stay mobilized and don't be stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Yeah, it's not hard. Like we're fighting people that are
literally a king canoe trying to fight the tide. And
they keep telling us that, you know that they're not
making and we're like looking at them, going but dude,
there's your like you're junk is hanging in the wind.
We can see it. Yeah, now I agree with you completely, Susan.
It took me a long time to see it as well.

(01:07:37):
And the older I get, the more I watch it
play itself out, it's clearly obvious what's going on here.
And you know, once you start to understand just how
much the world actually wants us to lead, That's the
thing that I keep saying, I keep seeing over and
over again. The world wants us. Doesn't want the United
States to be running around the world like Rambo without

(01:07:57):
a jockstrap, making make a mess of everything to make
the further you know, British imperialism or Dutch imperialism or whatever,
you pick your your conspiracy of choice go.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Back to that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
I don't even care at this point. It doesn't matter.
Everybody's got everybody's had a different starting point for this,
and I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Well, it's you know, it's it's an important point because
it's a principle. It's a principle, right, It's a principle
of oligarchy, which means the rule of the few, you know.
And and you know, we named our organization when we
sort of rebranded Promethean because we just loved the story
of Prometheus, of course, because Prometheus, that that that play

(01:08:36):
by Eschylus is so powerful. Because the gods on Mount Olympus, Zeus,
they're the oligarchs, right, you know, it's just the rule
of the few who have arbitrary power, you know, and
want to I mean, the whole story of the Trojan
War in one ancient Greek poem, was that Zeus thought
there were too many people on the planet. This is

(01:08:57):
seven hundred BC, you know, because mother Earth was complaining
because there were too many people. That's how he started
the war. I mean, does that sound like you know,
the World Economic Forum today all over again. But that
was the oligarchy, and you know, Eschylus, in his play Create,
you know, takes the mythical figure of Prometheus, who had
been of the gods, but broke with him and said, no,

(01:09:20):
I'm going to defend mankind. I'm going to give them
fire so they can defend themselves. And you know, one
of the things about fire, which when I thought, when
someone said this to me, it was like one of
those Oh wow, why didn't I ever think about that?
Mankind is the only species that's not afraid of fire.
We harness it, right, I mean, right, there is the

(01:09:41):
difference between man and the and the animal, and the
fact that Prometheus gives fire to mankind, you know, so
the principle of humanity versus the oligarchy. You know, let's
take it back to Eschylus, which is about four hundred
and eighty BC, you know, and then you and there
were obviously empires before that, you know, the Babylonians, the

(01:10:03):
Persians were sort of contiguous.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
With all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
So it's this idea which moves geographically, you know, in
the modern period, and go from Rome to Venice to
the Dutch to the British, you know, where that's still
a pretty good geographical you know, identification for it, but
obviously it's everywhere. And it's an idea, right, It's the

(01:10:26):
you know, the idea. You know, people say they have
so much money, they have so much power, they have
a crappy idea, right, which the universe actually disagrees with.
So enough of you have the right idea, which is
all right, We've got to figure out how the universe works.
And that's what we've got to organize our society. That's
what a republic is. You know, if enough of us
get that idea, then they don't have any power. And

(01:10:48):
I think what Donald Trump in the Mega movement is
demonstrating is that process in action.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
It's it's all lovely way of putting it. I think
it's a it's a great way to kind of wrap
this up. I would agree completely. It's it's it's it.
You know, lies are expensive in the truth cells itself.
It's not really that very difficult, right, right. And I've
been saying this is one of my the one of
the kind of atomisms of the you know, a corrupt

(01:11:17):
money because of corrupt society, and lies are expensive in
the truth sells itself.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
I mean, they do have a habit of killing the
people who are on the side of the truth. Yeah,
they you know, at a certain point they overplay their
hand as they I think have just seen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Yeah, I think so, and I think that that would
be that would be the best eulogy that we can
give for Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Okay, So with that said, just go kinda. This has
been wonderful. It's been a little spicier than I expected,
as it's fine. I enjoyed that tremendously. So we'll do
this again at some point in the future. And the
next time you and I chat, probably on crypto riches
go we'll well, we'll continue this conversation. So they tell
everybody where they can find you do the do the
Shameless plug is all.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
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(01:12:23):
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