May 13, 2019 • 18 mins
Ted Kerasote, author of "Merle's Door", "Out There" and "Why Dogs Die Young and What We Can Do About It"When a 10-year old Sussex spaniel won 'best in show' at Woodminster, the world applauded. After all, if 60 is the new 40 for humans, then 10 is the new 7 for dogs. Author Ted Kerasote contends that we can prolong the lives of our dogs and keep them both sharp and agile by working them physically and mentally, just as we do ourselves. His book, "Why Dogs Die Young and What We Can Do About It" charges inbreeding, environmental pollutants, commercial dog foods, and vaccinations as factors which cut short our dogs lives by giving them, among other diseases, cancers.We really appreciate your feedback and value your opinion. Could you please let others know what you think of the Good Dog podcast by writing a review in iTunes?
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(00:00):
Smarter Podcasts dot com delivering sound advice. Sixty is the new forty and thirty
the new twenty one. It seemsthat even for dogs, were adjusting our
expectations of the aging process and whatwe can do well beyond what previous generations
(00:23):
ever anticipated to wit. The winnerof this year's Westminster Kennel Club show clocked
in at the ripe old age often, which is of course seventy in
dog years. Hi, I'm joeAnne Green and welcome to the Good Dog
Podcast, where today's guest is TedKirosote, author of Merle's Door, Lessons
from a Freethinking Dog and Out Thereand the forthcoming Why Dogs Die Young and
(00:46):
what we can do about Welcome Ted, Thanks for having me, Julian.
Absolutely so is Stump, the tenyear old Sussex Spaniel who won Best in
Show at Woodminster, a poster dogfor the very thing that you're promoting,
that working a dog physically and mentallycan keep in young. That's one thing
that not only I am promoting,but lots of other writers of dogs,
(01:10):
dog trainers, and much of thelatest brain research has shown that whether you're
a dog or a human, ifyou're engaged in mentally active work, and
you keep yourself fit through exercise,you can keep learning. There's no limit
on it. You can keep learningfor as long as you're alive. This
(01:33):
is good news for all of uswho cherish our mental abilities and want to
stay productive into our old ages.But what I think is even more significant
about stunts Win is that the ageof dogs, the average lifespan of dogs,
has been shifted downward by more andmore dogs dying young or particularly of
(02:00):
cancer. The reason for this thatsome vets have identified is too many vaccinations
that we give our dogs annually,which challenges their immune systems, the bad
dog food that we feed them,the environmental pollutants that they constantly backup,
(02:22):
vacuum up through their noses, andlicking their paws, either from outside as
well as in the home, andin breeding. Lots of our dog breeds
now have too few founder parents,and those genes are coming back to bite
the dog population, and you cansee it particularly in Golden Retrievers, one
(02:46):
of the most popular dogs in theUnited States, of which se die of
cancer each year. We'll take thoseone at a time. But before we
even get into that, I wantto ask you about the way that we
think we're doing our dogs a favor. When, for instance, as dogs
begin to age, they have arthritis, they seem to slow down a little
(03:07):
bit. So is it that mostpet owners just kind of allow their dogs
to lie around and do nothing allday, thinking that we're doing them a
favor. You have to understand thatwe've become a very urban suburban population,
and most of us have to workeight nine hours a day. Given the
(03:27):
commute, we're sometimes gone from ourhomes ten hours a day. We still
want to have our dogs, butthese dogs are increasingly incarcerated in apart moons
or in fenced backyards. Genetically,dogs are still wolves. Even if they're
tiny pickanese right up to great Danes, they're still genetically wolves. Their DNA
(03:51):
is exactly the same as those graywolves that are running outside my house here
in Grand Titan National Park. Sothe point is they want to hunt.
They not only do they want tohunt, but they want to roam.
A wolf's life is built on roaming, on exercising, on not lying around,
(04:13):
and so we've taken an animal whogenetically wants to roam. And this
is particularly true of the larger breedslike the retrievers, dogs like Newfoundlands,
all the working dogs like border Colliesand Australian Shepherds, and we lock them
up. This not only is badfor their health, but mentally it's just
(04:39):
the death knew for most of them. And we see so much neurotic behavior
in dogs these days because we've takenbreeds who are designed to be out there
working eight hours a day and whohave to sit on a couch and watch
or watch the world passed by througha window. So they're bored, undepressed.
They're bored out of their minds undepressedthinks okay and throwing a little toy
(05:01):
around the room isn't enough for them. Can you imagine if you're a Border
Collie who's genetically programmed to herd sheepfor eight hours a day and you give
it a little squeaky toy better thannothing, but no substitute. No,
It's like taking someone who's a physicistand saying, okay, you can do
(05:28):
TikTok dough for the next eight hours. So there are some breeds probably that
you know, while they're not necessarilysuited to this sort of sedentary behavior,
it won't be as much of adeparture for them, as it would for
some of these other breeds. Thisis true. And many of the lapdogs,
these dogs who are you know,say, between two and ten pounds,
(05:50):
quite tiny dogs with short legs.Yes, they're not going to be
out there running after bunny rabbits orchasing down Oh you've never seen little Lulu
chasing a squirrel. There you go, there you go. I knew I
was going to stick my foot,but I am no. But it's okay
because you are appeasing my guilt justsomewhat. While she gets out a couple
(06:13):
times a day and goes on somemajor hikes on the weekend, she does
spend a fair amount of time righthere beside me on the couch and and
not looking overly happy doing it.Now that you mentioned it, M sure.
I bet you've given what you said. She would prefer to the outside,
roaming about and exploring. The Otherthing we have to remember is that
(06:34):
dogs learn their world through their noses, just the way we read. Dogs
read the books of their world bysniffing, and it's what interests them and
it and it's what gives them agreater education and a greater experiential reach.
(06:57):
If you will. And so ifyou keep the dog in the house or
confined to a fence yard, itswhole life. It's as if you've stymated
at say the eighth or ninth grade, you haven't let it go to high
school or college. Which dogs whoget to roam a lot and explore the
world they learn more sense. Theyget to read what other dogs are doing,
(07:21):
they get to read what wildlife isdoing, they get to read what
other people are doing through their noses. Makes perfect sense, though if we
live in urban areas, we haveto keep them on leashes, right,
not totally. Virtually every urban placethat I've been to on my Merls door
book tour had some municipal park ora beach or a woodlands where it was
(07:46):
legally allowed to take a dog offleash. And I can remember being in
Prospect Park in New York City wherethey have the mile Long Meadow, which
is literally a mile long, andthere were hundreds of dogs cavorting around there
and playing, all of them offleash. I also remember the beach at
Del Mar in southern California, whereI saw about fifty five dogs playing in
(08:11):
the surf, running up and downthe beach af all off leash, and
so yes, dogs because of leashlaws, need to be on leashes most
places in these cities, but thereare the opportunities to let them off leashes
and allow them to be dogs.Let's jump back to what you were saying
(08:35):
earlier about some of the reasons thatyou and others have cited for why dogs
lifespans generally are getting shorter and shorter. The first thing you mentioned, I
think was commercially prepared dog foods.What is it that's in there that is
causing our dogs harm from your perspective, and what should we be feeding our
dogs? The low end dog fruitshave lots of green in them. We
(09:00):
corn soy oats, which a carnivorelike a dog was never designed to eat.
I remember I mentioned that dogs geneticallyare wolves, well wolves in the
wild. Two percent of their dietmight these vegetation, and that's grass that
they eat, not grain. Thereason that dogs eat so much grain is
(09:24):
that when the agricultural industry decided tostart using some of its byproducts in pet
food in the nineteen fifties, oneof the ways to make those kibbel sized
bites and make them stick together wasto use a lot of grain. The
marketing at that time was don't seizeyour dog table scraps, use this scientifically
(09:50):
formulated dog food, which is somuch better for your dog. Well,
wolves and other wild canids never eatgrain in the They eat meat, and
they eat organ meat, and therefore, feeding a dog a commercial kibble that's
as much as fifty to sixty percentgrain is playing havoc with its system which
(10:16):
was designed to eat meat. Thisis the reason why a lot of the
high end kibbles have gone to grainfree preparations, and one of the reasons
that those had come on the marketjust recently is that the process to create
those kibble sized bites was only inventedin the last decade to make those stick
(10:43):
together and use more meat and lessgrain. It's also why there's been such
a popularity of raw food diets thatare made up of meat, crushed bone,
organ meat, and a little bitof vegetable, and they're usually sold
in rozen plastic wrappers the way youbuy Hamburger meat in a grocery store,
(11:05):
and dogs love them, and thenyou put out kibble. When you put
out one of those raw food diets, and you can see which one the
dog prefers. Let's talk about aboutinbreeding for a minute. Would you say,
in general, mutts are healthier thanpure bread dogs. If you look
(11:26):
at the statistics, mutts live alittle bit longer. Mixed breed dogs we
live a little bit longer, abouta year longer on average than pure bread
dogs, and the reason for thisis they're probably genetically more resilient. However,
you can find pure bred dogs wholive quite a long time, and
(11:46):
one of the ways to do thatis to look at the longevity of the
parents and the grandparents and the greatgrandparents of the pub you want to get,
and you can see if the grandparentsand great grandparents have been living fourteen
fifteen years, the probability is thatyour pup will have those genetically resilient attributes
(12:13):
and also live that long. Ifyou see that its ancestors were all dying
at nine and ten years old,then you might want to look someplace else
for your pup. Ted I've onlyhad small dogs. I think the largest
dog I had was about twenty twopounds, and in general they tend to
live longer. Our first dog livedseventeen years, and he would have lived
(12:35):
longer, but we made the choiceto put him out of his misery.
He was in a lot of painand it wasn't going anywhere good. So
I'm wondering, is that generally truethat small dogs live longer? And if
so, why, absolutely? Ifyou want the longest lived dog, kid
a miniature prudal a lassa up.So those small breeds tend to live longer.
(12:58):
One reason is that they have fewerarthritic problems than large bone dogs.
One of the research avenues that I'mfollowing in my new book, Why Dogs
Die Young and What We Can DoAbout It is why do small dogs live
(13:18):
longer? And no one really knowsyet. It might have to do with
the way they process insulin growth hormone, and a lot of this research is
brand new, it's not really knownyet. But the fact of the matter
is that if you want your dogto live into its twenties, choose a
(13:41):
small dog. Twenties really wow,yeah, early twenties amazing. Let's talk
for a minute about immunizations and vaccinations. I think most of us hire a
vet with whom we feel comfortable,and then we do what he or she
says. You're saying, actually thatwe may be oh, were inoculating or
(14:01):
immunizing our pets. Yes, andthe evidence for this has steadily becoming incontrovertible.
The reason that annual vaccinations have beenrecommended is that back in the nineteen
fifties, when canine vaccinations came onboard, the people who created them looked
(14:26):
at their efficacy and it was foundthat some of the vaccines would work some
wooden, Some dogs would get immunityfor their whole lives, others would only
get it for a year, andso, as a blanket recommendation to protect
all dogs, they recommended annual vaccination. However, as the vaccines have improved,
(14:50):
what we have found is that mostof the time, most dogs will
get lifetime immunity from one set ofva eaccinations. The other annual vaccines,
which we've come to see as whatwe should do to protect our dogs,
not only are unnecessary, but theychallenge the immune system Each year and more
(15:15):
and more dogs are seen to haveadverse reactions from these, everything from seizures
to gi problems, to compromised immunesystems and eventually cancer. And yet in
order to get licenses for our dogsin many cities, we have to prove
that they are vaccinated. Yes,and right now at Duke University, there's
(15:39):
a test a Rabies challenge study beingdone as we speak, and what it
is doing, under very control ofconditions is having two sets of beagles kept
in perfectly sterile conditions, one setof which got one rabies vaccine, the
other that did not. At theend of seven years, they're going to
(16:00):
be challenged with live rabies virus.This is to prove that the rabies vaccine
lasts at least seven years. Manyveterinarians believe it at lasts for a lifetime.
Therefore, once this study is completed, the data will be published,
(16:21):
and it is hoped that by lobbyingmunicipalities around the United States, we will
no longer have to vaccinate our dogsevery single year, but only once as
puppies and not submit them to thisinsult if you will, on an annual
basis, which isn't cheap. Bethere for those of us living on more
(16:44):
challenging income levels right now, Sowhen do you think, well, two
questions. One, when do youthink that research will be completed and we
can expect to see some changes andsecond years from now five years okay,
and then hopefully much sooner your bookwill be completed and on shelves. So
when when can we look to seewhy dogs die young and what we can
do about it? Twenty eleven.That's not too bad, not too bad.
(17:08):
One also needs to remember that thereare a lot of places now increasingly
that will accept a tighter instead ofa rabies vaccine. So you take your
dog to the vet. It's beenvaccinated once as a puppy, it's three
year vaccination is coming up. Lotsof places except three year vaccinations, and
(17:29):
you say, I don't want togive my dog another rabies vaccine? Could
you tighter? It's blood? Sothe vet takes a blood sample and sees
if there are rabies antibodies in theblood stream. Very often there are many
dozen times the immunity that is neededfor the dog to be protected against rabies,
(17:49):
and increasingly more and more places willaccept that study as saying this dog
can't get rabies. Fascinating. Iwant to thank you so much for all
these insights, Ted, it wasreally a pleasure speaking with you. You're
very welcome, and thank thank youfor having me on your show, Julian
certainly. Ted Karasodi is the authorof Merle's Door Lessons from a freethinking dog,
(18:12):
and why dogs die young and whatwe can do about it. I'm
joe Anne Green.
Smarter Podcasts dot com delivering sound advice. Sixty is the new forty and thirty
the new twenty one. It seemsthat even for dogs, were adjusting our
expectations of the aging process and whatwe can do well beyond what previous generations
(00:23):
ever anticipated to wit. The winnerof this year's Westminster Kennel Club show clocked
in at the ripe old age often, which is of course seventy in
dog years. Hi, I'm joeAnne Green and welcome to the Good Dog
Podcast, where today's guest is TedKirosote, author of Merle's Door, Lessons
from a Freethinking Dog and Out Thereand the forthcoming Why Dogs Die Young and
(00:46):
what we can do about Welcome Ted, Thanks for having me, Julian.
Absolutely so is Stump, the tenyear old Sussex Spaniel who won Best in
Show at Woodminster, a poster dogfor the very thing that you're promoting,
that working a dog physically and mentallycan keep in young. That's one thing
that not only I am promoting,but lots of other writers of dogs,
(01:10):
dog trainers, and much of thelatest brain research has shown that whether you're
a dog or a human, ifyou're engaged in mentally active work, and
you keep yourself fit through exercise,you can keep learning. There's no limit
on it. You can keep learningfor as long as you're alive. This
(01:33):
is good news for all of uswho cherish our mental abilities and want to
stay productive into our old ages.But what I think is even more significant
about stunts Win is that the ageof dogs, the average lifespan of dogs,
has been shifted downward by more andmore dogs dying young or particularly of
(02:00):
cancer. The reason for this thatsome vets have identified is too many vaccinations
that we give our dogs annually,which challenges their immune systems, the bad
dog food that we feed them,the environmental pollutants that they constantly backup,
(02:22):
vacuum up through their noses, andlicking their paws, either from outside as
well as in the home, andin breeding. Lots of our dog breeds
now have too few founder parents,and those genes are coming back to bite
the dog population, and you cansee it particularly in Golden Retrievers, one
(02:46):
of the most popular dogs in theUnited States, of which se die of
cancer each year. We'll take thoseone at a time. But before we
even get into that, I wantto ask you about the way that we
think we're doing our dogs a favor. When, for instance, as dogs
begin to age, they have arthritis, they seem to slow down a little
(03:07):
bit. So is it that mostpet owners just kind of allow their dogs
to lie around and do nothing allday, thinking that we're doing them a
favor. You have to understand thatwe've become a very urban suburban population,
and most of us have to workeight nine hours a day. Given the
(03:27):
commute, we're sometimes gone from ourhomes ten hours a day. We still
want to have our dogs, butthese dogs are increasingly incarcerated in apart moons
or in fenced backyards. Genetically,dogs are still wolves. Even if they're
tiny pickanese right up to great Danes, they're still genetically wolves. Their DNA
(03:51):
is exactly the same as those graywolves that are running outside my house here
in Grand Titan National Park. Sothe point is they want to hunt.
They not only do they want tohunt, but they want to roam.
A wolf's life is built on roaming, on exercising, on not lying around,
(04:13):
and so we've taken an animal whogenetically wants to roam. And this
is particularly true of the larger breedslike the retrievers, dogs like Newfoundlands,
all the working dogs like border Colliesand Australian Shepherds, and we lock them
up. This not only is badfor their health, but mentally it's just
(04:39):
the death knew for most of them. And we see so much neurotic behavior
in dogs these days because we've takenbreeds who are designed to be out there
working eight hours a day and whohave to sit on a couch and watch
or watch the world passed by througha window. So they're bored, undepressed.
They're bored out of their minds undepressedthinks okay and throwing a little toy
(05:01):
around the room isn't enough for them. Can you imagine if you're a Border
Collie who's genetically programmed to herd sheepfor eight hours a day and you give
it a little squeaky toy better thannothing, but no substitute. No,
It's like taking someone who's a physicistand saying, okay, you can do
(05:28):
TikTok dough for the next eight hours. So there are some breeds probably that
you know, while they're not necessarilysuited to this sort of sedentary behavior,
it won't be as much of adeparture for them, as it would for
some of these other breeds. Thisis true. And many of the lapdogs,
these dogs who are you know,say, between two and ten pounds,
(05:50):
quite tiny dogs with short legs.Yes, they're not going to be
out there running after bunny rabbits orchasing down Oh you've never seen little Lulu
chasing a squirrel. There you go, there you go. I knew I
was going to stick my foot,but I am no. But it's okay
because you are appeasing my guilt justsomewhat. While she gets out a couple
(06:13):
times a day and goes on somemajor hikes on the weekend, she does
spend a fair amount of time righthere beside me on the couch and and
not looking overly happy doing it.Now that you mentioned it, M sure.
I bet you've given what you said. She would prefer to the outside,
roaming about and exploring. The Otherthing we have to remember is that
(06:34):
dogs learn their world through their noses, just the way we read. Dogs
read the books of their world bysniffing, and it's what interests them and
it and it's what gives them agreater education and a greater experiential reach.
(06:57):
If you will. And so ifyou keep the dog in the house or
confined to a fence yard, itswhole life. It's as if you've stymated
at say the eighth or ninth grade, you haven't let it go to high
school or college. Which dogs whoget to roam a lot and explore the
world they learn more sense. Theyget to read what other dogs are doing,
(07:21):
they get to read what wildlife isdoing, they get to read what
other people are doing through their noses. Makes perfect sense, though if we
live in urban areas, we haveto keep them on leashes, right,
not totally. Virtually every urban placethat I've been to on my Merls door
book tour had some municipal park ora beach or a woodlands where it was
(07:46):
legally allowed to take a dog offleash. And I can remember being in
Prospect Park in New York City wherethey have the mile Long Meadow, which
is literally a mile long, andthere were hundreds of dogs cavorting around there
and playing, all of them offleash. I also remember the beach at
Del Mar in southern California, whereI saw about fifty five dogs playing in
(08:11):
the surf, running up and downthe beach af all off leash, and
so yes, dogs because of leashlaws, need to be on leashes most
places in these cities, but thereare the opportunities to let them off leashes
and allow them to be dogs.Let's jump back to what you were saying
(08:35):
earlier about some of the reasons thatyou and others have cited for why dogs
lifespans generally are getting shorter and shorter. The first thing you mentioned, I
think was commercially prepared dog foods.What is it that's in there that is
causing our dogs harm from your perspective, and what should we be feeding our
dogs? The low end dog fruitshave lots of green in them. We
(09:00):
corn soy oats, which a carnivorelike a dog was never designed to eat.
I remember I mentioned that dogs geneticallyare wolves, well wolves in the
wild. Two percent of their dietmight these vegetation, and that's grass that
they eat, not grain. Thereason that dogs eat so much grain is
(09:24):
that when the agricultural industry decided tostart using some of its byproducts in pet
food in the nineteen fifties, oneof the ways to make those kibbel sized
bites and make them stick together wasto use a lot of grain. The
marketing at that time was don't seizeyour dog table scraps, use this scientifically
(09:50):
formulated dog food, which is somuch better for your dog. Well,
wolves and other wild canids never eatgrain in the They eat meat, and
they eat organ meat, and therefore, feeding a dog a commercial kibble that's
as much as fifty to sixty percentgrain is playing havoc with its system which
(10:16):
was designed to eat meat. Thisis the reason why a lot of the
high end kibbles have gone to grainfree preparations, and one of the reasons
that those had come on the marketjust recently is that the process to create
those kibble sized bites was only inventedin the last decade to make those stick
(10:43):
together and use more meat and lessgrain. It's also why there's been such
a popularity of raw food diets thatare made up of meat, crushed bone,
organ meat, and a little bitof vegetable, and they're usually sold
in rozen plastic wrappers the way youbuy Hamburger meat in a grocery store,
(11:05):
and dogs love them, and thenyou put out kibble. When you put
out one of those raw food diets, and you can see which one the
dog prefers. Let's talk about aboutinbreeding for a minute. Would you say,
in general, mutts are healthier thanpure bread dogs. If you look
(11:26):
at the statistics, mutts live alittle bit longer. Mixed breed dogs we
live a little bit longer, abouta year longer on average than pure bread
dogs, and the reason for thisis they're probably genetically more resilient. However,
you can find pure bred dogs wholive quite a long time, and
(11:46):
one of the ways to do thatis to look at the longevity of the
parents and the grandparents and the greatgrandparents of the pub you want to get,
and you can see if the grandparentsand great grandparents have been living fourteen
fifteen years, the probability is thatyour pup will have those genetically resilient attributes
(12:13):
and also live that long. Ifyou see that its ancestors were all dying
at nine and ten years old,then you might want to look someplace else
for your pup. Ted I've onlyhad small dogs. I think the largest
dog I had was about twenty twopounds, and in general they tend to
live longer. Our first dog livedseventeen years, and he would have lived
(12:35):
longer, but we made the choiceto put him out of his misery.
He was in a lot of painand it wasn't going anywhere good. So
I'm wondering, is that generally truethat small dogs live longer? And if
so, why, absolutely? Ifyou want the longest lived dog, kid
a miniature prudal a lassa up.So those small breeds tend to live longer.
(12:58):
One reason is that they have fewerarthritic problems than large bone dogs.
One of the research avenues that I'mfollowing in my new book, Why Dogs
Die Young and What We Can DoAbout It is why do small dogs live
(13:18):
longer? And no one really knowsyet. It might have to do with
the way they process insulin growth hormone, and a lot of this research is
brand new, it's not really knownyet. But the fact of the matter
is that if you want your dogto live into its twenties, choose a
(13:41):
small dog. Twenties really wow,yeah, early twenties amazing. Let's talk
for a minute about immunizations and vaccinations. I think most of us hire a
vet with whom we feel comfortable,and then we do what he or she
says. You're saying, actually thatwe may be oh, were inoculating or
(14:01):
immunizing our pets. Yes, andthe evidence for this has steadily becoming incontrovertible.
The reason that annual vaccinations have beenrecommended is that back in the nineteen
fifties, when canine vaccinations came onboard, the people who created them looked
(14:26):
at their efficacy and it was foundthat some of the vaccines would work some
wooden, Some dogs would get immunityfor their whole lives, others would only
get it for a year, andso, as a blanket recommendation to protect
all dogs, they recommended annual vaccination. However, as the vaccines have improved,
(14:50):
what we have found is that mostof the time, most dogs will
get lifetime immunity from one set ofva eaccinations. The other annual vaccines,
which we've come to see as whatwe should do to protect our dogs,
not only are unnecessary, but theychallenge the immune system Each year and more
(15:15):
and more dogs are seen to haveadverse reactions from these, everything from seizures
to gi problems, to compromised immunesystems and eventually cancer. And yet in
order to get licenses for our dogsin many cities, we have to prove
that they are vaccinated. Yes,and right now at Duke University, there's
(15:39):
a test a Rabies challenge study beingdone as we speak, and what it
is doing, under very control ofconditions is having two sets of beagles kept
in perfectly sterile conditions, one setof which got one rabies vaccine, the
other that did not. At theend of seven years, they're going to
(16:00):
be challenged with live rabies virus.This is to prove that the rabies vaccine
lasts at least seven years. Manyveterinarians believe it at lasts for a lifetime.
Therefore, once this study is completed, the data will be published,
(16:21):
and it is hoped that by lobbyingmunicipalities around the United States, we will
no longer have to vaccinate our dogsevery single year, but only once as
puppies and not submit them to thisinsult if you will, on an annual
basis, which isn't cheap. Bethere for those of us living on more
(16:44):
challenging income levels right now, Sowhen do you think, well, two
questions. One, when do youthink that research will be completed and we
can expect to see some changes andsecond years from now five years okay,
and then hopefully much sooner your bookwill be completed and on shelves. So
when when can we look to seewhy dogs die young and what we can
do about it? Twenty eleven.That's not too bad, not too bad.
(17:08):
One also needs to remember that thereare a lot of places now increasingly
that will accept a tighter instead ofa rabies vaccine. So you take your
dog to the vet. It's beenvaccinated once as a puppy, it's three
year vaccination is coming up. Lotsof places except three year vaccinations, and
(17:29):
you say, I don't want togive my dog another rabies vaccine? Could
you tighter? It's blood? Sothe vet takes a blood sample and sees
if there are rabies antibodies in theblood stream. Very often there are many
dozen times the immunity that is neededfor the dog to be protected against rabies,
(17:49):
and increasingly more and more places willaccept that study as saying this dog
can't get rabies. Fascinating. Iwant to thank you so much for all
these insights, Ted, it wasreally a pleasure speaking with you. You're
very welcome, and thank thank youfor having me on your show, Julian
certainly. Ted Karasodi is the authorof Merle's Door Lessons from a freethinking dog,
(18:12):
and why dogs die young and whatwe can do about it. I'm
joe Anne Green.
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