August 10, 2025 • 26 mins
Dragnet - Old Time Radio Show - 254 The Big Chick
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The story you were about to hear is true. The
names have been changed to protect the innocent. Drag Mett.
You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned in narcotics detail. The
body of a man has been found in the public
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park Lake. Physical evidence indicates he was killed by narcotics.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Your job, check it out.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
It was Monday, July ninth. It was warm in Los Angele's.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
We were working the day watch on a narcotics detail.
My partner's Frank Smith. The boss's Captain Shy. My name's Friday.
We're on our way out from the office and it
was ten twenty three am when we got to them.
Forty two homicide.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Is you get a name mine?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, alright, Joe Frank, Oh yeah, alright, right with you? Yeah,
what's the spelling on that? Yeah, I'll check it out right,
I'll call you back. Uh huh, by Jack, how's it
going pretty good with you? Doesn't do much good to
(01:20):
kick it?
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Never worked for me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well you got for it. And wait a minute, I
get the pictures for We got it late Saturday night.
Just got the results of the audiense of this morning.
Thought maybe you and Frank be interested. Uh h, I
get care at the table? What is it down here?
The way we got story goes together like this. A
couple of kids on their way home from the Late
(01:43):
Show walked to Macarthury Park. It's been about ten thirty. Yeah,
stopped with the side of the lake for a minute
and they saw something in the water, went down to
check and found the body of a man.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Here's a picture where we found him. Contacted the park
authorities and they called the police telling the car answered
and they called us.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Uh huh you know who he is?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
No idea on him. Made him through his prints or names.
Walter Gilmer appears to be his true name, got several ediases.
He let his background and picked up for just about
everything in the code copy of his rest records.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah same, the first to rest when.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
He was fourteen, and piling him up ever since he
added up. He spent over half his life in prison. Wait,
looks he died someplace.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Else, thought he pig you that game.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Oh here there's a picture taking to the path leading
to the lake. Uh see here the tracks looks like
he was dragged down the gravel path and then dropped
into the water.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah. See there goo, Yeah, what killed him.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Had us for a while, no evidence of violence he
could have done it and his records. There are half
a dozen people in town who'd like to take care
of it. They'll copy of the office report, right, you know,
we'll explain how we thought you might wanna piece of it.
Well died the narcotics poison.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
We went over the dead man's effects without coming up
with any additional information. From the report of the coroner's office,
we knew that Gilmer had died of narcotics poisoning. We
were not able to tell the type of the narcotics used,
but it was listed as either.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Heroin or morphiend. During the past three.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Months, the Southland had been flooded with an inferior grade
of heroin. From chemical analysis, we knew that it was
being processed in Mexico.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
We'd been in touch with Mexican.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Authorities, but in spite of our joint activities, the drug
continued to cross the.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Border and continued to be circulated.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Arrests of mules and pushers had been made, suspects had
been interrogated, and all other leads had been checked out
that we were still unable to come up with the
key people in the operation. The death of Walter Gilmer
gave us a possible lead. We couldn't be sure that
he died of the low grade drug, but it was
worth looking into. Working with Sergeant Jack McCready and Danny
de Lindo of Homicide Detail, we pulled Gilmer's package and
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we went over all of the available information on him.
We made out a list of his known friends and
his associates, all of the places he was known to
frequently checked. For the next two days, anyone who had
been seen in Gilmer's company.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Was talked to.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Currently, we were at a dead end. Thursday July twelve,
eleven fourteen am. Frank and I got back from talking
to an informant. There was a note in the book
to call McCready. McCready there, Yeah, oh Jack, Joe Friday.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
But where's he now? Now we'll be right over, thank you.
What's the guy?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
One of Gilmer's friends here says he was with Gilmer
when he died. Frank and I left the Central Police
Station and walked over to the City Hall.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
By the time we'd gotten there, McCready.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Had pulled the suspects package and had what background information
there was on the man. The three of us talked
to him in the interrogation room.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
For the record. What's your name, David Flack? How old?
A twenty six?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's still your address?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah? How well did you know this?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Walter Gilmert?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
We ruined together?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
How long?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
A couple of years? According to your.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Package here, you've had several arrests for being a users?
It right, he got the paper.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I was you were with Gilmer when he died?
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Now look there you go again what I said, I
was with him when he was sick.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That's all.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
We got together Saturday night, had dinner and Walt didn't
feel so good. He shoved off, said he was going
home and get some rest.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's the last time I saw him. He went home
to get some rest.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Go ahead with what there ain't no want to say,
you guys asked me.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Remember we talked to the manager of your apartment house.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Real goof ain't she?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
She says, you and Gilmer came in together Saturday night.
Puts the time about eight thirty, says the two of
you stayed there at about nine thirty, and then she
heard you come out of the elevator with Gilmert.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
She's got real big ears.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
That's what she says. Goes on to tell us that
she went to the door of her apartment looked out
into the hall, so she saw you carried Goimer out
of the apartment building. I carried waldaus That's what she says.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
You know how big Wald is.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We've got an idea.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Well, you know I couldn't carry him any placed. Skytt
weighs me about fifty pounds. It ain't that strong.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Any Wady's willing to testify it to her.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Yeah, she talks a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
She's going to talk to you. Right into the joint,
we find Gilmer and hour later dead. You're the last
person seeing with him. Fits your real good flack. From here,
it looks like you're right for a one eighty seven charge.
You figure you can hand me down from murder.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Worth a try?
Speaker 6 (05:58):
But can you make it go?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Do you think so? Now? One thing's gonna lost it up? Yeah,
I didn't do it. I had no part in it.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
None.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Better tell us then, huh? If I give it to
you to make a difference depends on the words go ahead,
Where do I start at the beginning?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
He'll do?
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Yeah, I guess Saturday afternoon's as good as any would listen. Oh,
Walt got himself a new connection.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Said it was a good one for Heroin. Yeah, got
a good buy and a couple of bendles.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Said it was a real good deal.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Now, No, he wouldn't tell me. He just said it
was his and that when I needed some stuff he'd
set it up for me.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You're on h too, Yeah, well I lied to you.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
A couple of days in the tank will bring it
out anyway. Yeah, I'm swinging a pretty good habit. How
much shooting three a day? Right?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Go ahead?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Oh, Walt had a fix. About four in the afternoon,
we were going out for dinner and Walt said he
had enough h so's he could take one for free.
After that, we went out, got something eat. Walt didn't
eat much, said he felt way out.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Didn't hardly eat at all.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
Yeah, went back to the apartment, set around, talked, tried to.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Get him to tell me where he made the connection.
He just laughed and said it was the best thing he.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Ever fell into.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Didn't he give you any idea?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
No, not a smell. Well, pretty soon he said, didn't
feel so good.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
I thought maybe you need another POPA asked him if
he wanted me to cook it for him. He said no,
said he just wanted to get some there. Told me
he couldn't breathe too good, just lay there on the bed,
grabb him for air. I asked him if he wanted
me to call a doctor, get somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Up there to fix him. He looked pretty bad.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
He told me didn't want anybody.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Just to leave him alone. About an hour later, I
checked with him.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I want to see if he felt any better.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
He was dead.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
He took him out of the apartment.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Then, Yeah, I got scared.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
I didn't know what had happened, but I could see
you guys laying it on me.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
What'd you do?
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Took him out to the park, got him in the
back seatd the car, and took him out there. Sat
in the car for about fifteen minutes, waiting for a
couple of kids to leave. I was sitting on a
bench near the talking. I had to wait for them
to leave. Yeah, after they had gone, I'd drag walk
down the water and dumped him in the lake.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
What about his identification?
Speaker 7 (07:47):
Took it out of his pocket. Figured to give me
a couple of days to try and grow an alibi.
Figured to take that long for you to find out
who he was.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
He just left him in the lake then huh yeah, drove.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
Back to the house and tried to figure what to do.
Think if somebody would go me an alibi.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You haven't got any idea where Gilmer made the connection.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
It, no, you know where he went Saturday afternoon. No,
he left the place about ten in the morning. I
didn't see him until about three or maybe three thirty.
He was holding pretty good then, real happy, laughing it
up all over the place. Oh, Weald, he had a
real good laugh when he was feeling good.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
See. I still can't get as straight that he's dead.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Gilmore.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Have any close friends that you know of a couple,
not more than that.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I wanna give us their name.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I guess, as long as they don't find out.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They meet any new people he told you about.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
If he did, he didn't say nothing.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I'd sure like to help you.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
It's a Lozzi trick making Wald think he was getting
such a good deal and having to turn out like this.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's a Lozzy deal.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
He was real happy because he thought he scored real big,
got it real cheap.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Told me he hardly paid anything for it, and.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
They had it wrong to me.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
He huh, it was overcharged.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
We continued to talk to David Black.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
From him, we got additional names of people Walter Gilmer
had dealings with. We also got the addresses of bars
and restaurants the dead.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Man was known to a frequented.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
In our interrogation of Flak, he was unable to give
us any lead as to where Gilmer.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Might have bought the lethal narcotics.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Thursday afternoon, at four twenty one pm, Flack was taken
to the main jail to be booked in on suspicion
of violation of the State Narcotic Act of felony. Frank
and I went back to the office and talked with
Captain Shy. We told him what had happened, and we
reviewed the progress we'd made in attempting to apprehend the
leaders of the narcotic ring. After talking over all the possibilities,
it was decided that the only way we had of
getting to the higher ups in the operation was for
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one of us to go underground.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
We decided that I would act.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
A part of a buyer from northern California and try
to make the contact with the members of the ring.
I was given a quantity of market bills and fictitious identification.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Before I left the office.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Frank and I worked out a method for communication, and
I went home to change my clothes. I left all
of my police identification there, and the next morning I
began to be seen in the bars and restaurants where
Walter Gilmer was known. For the first week, it went slow.
The people involved were cautious of all newcomers. On Saturday,
July twenty first, I had breakfast and then I walked
go over to a small place on the seventh.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Street out for business yet, Joe, no problem.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I had some time to kill, but I do it here.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
If you got ob no sitting down.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
I'm just getting the booze up from downstairs.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
And you want something with coke?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Maybe?
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You got one with cold?
Speaker 8 (10:15):
Yeah, I could put a shot in it if you want.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
No, Sorry, it's too early.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Bos don't like it if I pour it before ten?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
House business?
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Oh not bad. I guess it's a little slow all over.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Yeah, I'm going with you, Joe slow.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
How long you figured i'd be in town?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Only got a couple more days. I gotta get back
up north.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
I never heard you say what you did.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I chilled down the promoter.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
I mean like price fights.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
No anything can make a buck on.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
What are you working on now?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Well? I got a deal?
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Yeah. I guess you'd rather I didn't get too nosey.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, it might be better that way.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Where's that you're trying to make a buy? Was I
I say words that you're trying to make a buy?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
That's so?
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Yeah, that's what the word is?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
It something around no place you can point to, just.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Around anything of what I'm looking for.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I understand it's h that what you think. I don't know,
just only what the word is.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Understand. You're a good friend of Waltmer.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, I knew him. We didn't live together.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I knew him rough thing about Walt?
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Yes it is you ever find out what killed him?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I don't read the paper as much. Was it in
the papers?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Eh, rumble is against some bad stuff?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Is that right?
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Yeah, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
There might be. I told you, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
I guess if you're a friend of his, you'd then
like to talk to this connection.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Huh, boy, it doesn't make any difference to me when
way or the other.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
You ain't sure about walk uh huh.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I told you I knew him. I didn't know him good,
just enough to.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Say hello, that's all m uh. Rough the way he went, what's.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You're a.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, I'll see you around.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
You gotta leave, Huh.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I told you I only got a couple more days
in time. I gotta line something up before I go back.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Well, uh, maybe I can't give you a hand. Yeah,
depends on what you're after. I got a lot of
friends around. I'll be able to do some dud.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
How you're gonna work the how much you.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Want to buy?
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Let's see, come off, But Joe, we got to rum
belong you down here from Sacramento.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
You're here to make a buy.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It's a simple question.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
How much you want to take back with you?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
If I wanted to make a connection, that you the
guy I'm supposed to see if I wanted to.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Make a connection, might work out that way.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
You hold him now a little?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
How big not to handle your action?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I want a couple of ounces a lot of stuff.
I don't sell a cut rates. Now. You're holding that much,
aren't you.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
No? I can line it up for you, But do
you take your piece off the top?
Speaker 6 (12:48):
I make the deal for him? Oh no, I'll go huh.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I don't know how you work things here, but I
only do.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Business with a gun, and well this one don't work there.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, well let's forget the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Wait hold it, Joe, Yeah, you got the cash.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I can get it.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
A little work and I'll have to see I deal
with the gun and the boy's off.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
I'll check it. He's the good stuff, the best we
got to offer.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That's not much of an answer.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well do you know what do you know?
Speaker 6 (13:12):
The way here on like a phone call?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
This is our Yeah, I know, I know, but this
is important.
Speaker 8 (13:34):
Got a guy here wants to buy a couple of shirts,
all large science. Uh huh, as far as we know
he is, I talked to you about Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Now I said he won't buy him from anybody else.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Yeah, that's what I told him. He says he's got it.
Just a minute of check to be here about seven
to ninth. Huh have you hear a night about seven?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Well we make the deal, sure, yeah, yeah, hate.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Maggott all right, Yeah, yeah, I know, I told you.
We checked.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
He's all right.
Speaker 8 (14:11):
Uh huh, they're right, goodbye, he's name all right, you're
here at seven?
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Make it sharp. Huh, okay, he meets the boss.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I got in touch with Frank and I filled him
in on what had happened. For the first time in
several months, it appeared as if we had a concrete.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Lead to the operators of the Dope Ring.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
It was arranged to keep the bar under surveillance, but
not to take anybody into custody until a by had
been made. I went back to the room I was
renting and I waited. I left at five point thirty,
had something to eat, and at five minutes of seven
I walked into the bar. The place was crowded, there
wasn't an empty stool, and most.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Of the boots were taken. I hedged up to the
bar and caught the bartenders.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Attention, buying it. You're early now, you.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Said, seven sharp.
Speaker 8 (14:59):
Yeah, we're going to do business where I get out
from behind the barn.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, my here, Joe, here it is. You're joking, aren't you?
Speaker 6 (15:11):
No, Joe, this is a boss.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Oh I had it figured a little different, Yeah, everybody does.
The woman sitting in the booth was in her late
thirties or early forties. It was hard to tell. She
had dark hair and blue eyes. The suit she was
wearing was gray and it looked expensive. After the bartender
introduced us, she told him to bring a drink, and
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then she motioned me to sit down.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Your name's Joe Preez.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I tells me what's an action?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
No, he gave you the story. Oh, I know you're
a legitimate Steve.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
You don tell you want me to go out on
a lemon.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Turn over two months of heroin?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So I'm willing to pay for it.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Lady, where's he gonna go?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Up north on the ground sycamore?
Speaker 8 (15:56):
You got the right to get rid of business.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
They're waiting for it now, and I.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Should tell you I haven't got two answers.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Well, and I'm wasting my time.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
But I can get it.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'll see.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Yeah, how quick do you need it?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I want to leave time a couple of days. I
till now.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
You weren't kind of long.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I don't see how the figures in the prize.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Oh right, okay, we've got goes to four fifty an
ounces pretty high.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
The best we can get should be you want to
make a deal the price comes down, No, I can't
swing more two ances.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Even if the price is dropped.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
How much to three fifty.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
No, it doesn't fit.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
What's the angle If you're on your own, must get
a little tiresome to.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Carry the load by yourself.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Maybe I was thinking maybe you'd like a partner you
that's what I had in mind. No, go ah, a
lot of reasons, meaning because I don't need anybody. Then
it's going to.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Cost you four fifty.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Well I figured that going in. When do you want
the stuff mine? I'll do.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Then you have to be late.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
We've got it coming in then somewhere the price doesn't
include that.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Okay, where do I pick the h up? Also call you.
I'll give you the time and the place. Well, it's
high grade. I might want some more and pay our price.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You'll get it. Sorry, I mean a big mistake.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Joe, that's all. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
I got la sewed up good and tied good distribution,
all the product I need.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You got to know it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
We put them together. We could vote come out real Well.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
No, I told you before I don't need partners.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
You might be wrong, Joe, you might already have one.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I stopped by the bar and gave the bar tender
my phone number. He said he'd call me as soon
as he had any information.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I left the place and walked over to Fifth Street.
At a corner restaurant, I put in a call to
Frank and I filled him in on what had happened.
It was set up that he and Sergeant Roxy.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Lucarelli would keep me under surveillance all the following day.
In the meantime, the woman the Laurus Page.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Would be watched also. I went back to the hotel
where I was staying and went to bed.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
At three thirty eight, the phone rang and the bartender
Alf told me to get dressed and meet.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Him in front of the hotel right away.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
He said we were leaving town immediately to make the
narcotic spy. I tried to call Frank and fill him
in on what had happened, but I couldn't reach him.
I got in touch with the office and left word
regarding the meet, and then went downstairs.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
To wait for Alf. At three forty five am, Alf
drove up to the entrance.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I tried to stall as long as possible to give
them in from the office time to get there, but
finally we left the hotel before they arrived. In the
car with Alf and myself were a man who introduced
himself as Earle and the woman the Laurus Page. We
drove down to the beach and turned south on Highway
one oh one.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And continued down to San Diego.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
At six thirty am, we checked into a small hotel
and Alf, along with Earle, left to make the meat
and the buy. I tried to find out where they
were going, but they refused to give me any information.
The laws page and I waited for him to come back.
I was unable to contact the San Diego authorities, telling
them what to watch out for. Apparently I'd lost.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Contact with Frank and Lucarelli.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
The only hope now was that someplace along the line
the Page woman and then associates would make some kind
of a mistake. We waited at the hotel until twelve fifteen,
when Alf and the Earl returned.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
You downstairs in the car, now coming, you're still late.
We got hump on the other side of National City.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Customs inspections went through the car.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Find anything.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
No, it's just something wrong about the whole deal.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
What do you mean?
Speaker 6 (19:17):
It looks like they were waiting for us, like somebody
had tipped them off.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
We were coming through.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
What makes you think fast?
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Where they acted? Other cars have just looked over ours.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
They went all the way through, took the seats out,
checked the tires, even climbed underneath.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I'll tell you if somebody tipped them off.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
They were waiting. Anything wrong with this, I want no
part of it. To understand that we've.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Been working it a long time without no hits. You
all of a sudden you come along. We got trouble.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
What are you trying to build?
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Just but it's funny that it happened now first time
you're here.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
You're trying to say that I got something to do
with the shakedown if it fits where you know you listen,
you to a bit punk. I got more to losing
you have. I'm paying top price for this product. I
got customers waiting. Now you come breezing them here and
try to lay one of your own mistakes on me,
and I'll break your back.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
You talk like a man twelve foot tall.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I don't have to be that big. I knock it
off you two beefing isn't going to do any good.
They didn't find anything, got no.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Call to figure it was a tip alf no reason
at all.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Now let's get out of here. Said you're a boy
to get off my back, worry about it. There won't
be any more trouble.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Better not be. But I'll spell it out for you.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Is that right?
Speaker 6 (20:09):
There is an I'm gonna cause it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
The three of us went downstairs and got into the car.
We started to drive back to Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
From what I could find out, the narcotics by had
been made in Mexico, but the heroin was not in
the car we were driving.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
We continued up the coast. Just south of Oceanside, California,
we began to follow a large bus.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
As we drove, I noticed that Alf was being careful
to keep the vehicle in sight. At San clement He
the bus pulled into a small roadside restaurant for a
rest stop.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
We parked immediately in back of it. Alf got out
of the car and approached the bus.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
He walked up to the rear of the vehicle, reached
under the rear bumper, and removed a small package wrapped
in waterproof material. He checked the contents, and then he
walked back to the car.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Get it, yeah, right where we put the stuff? Get in.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Let me have it.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah, there it is.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Joe got the money.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
You wanna wrap it up right here? No reason not
to why the way? Wait? Will we get back to town?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Be easier?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
There?
Speaker 7 (21:13):
You got any special reason to way?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Got the money? Ye?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And why wait? Well?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Let me see what I'm buying.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Here?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah? Looks sorright? Best wo can buy?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
You don't have to taste?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Just what are you trying to pull? What do you
try to sell me? This stuff's no good. You're not
gonna stick me four fifty for this junk. You made
the deal and I'm leaving it. I want no part
of it.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
It's a little late to come up with that.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
You haven't been paid yet.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
We will be get out of the car alone.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Alf.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
We've done it your way all along and hasn't worked out.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
From hearing, I'm gonna call it.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
We're doing it wrong.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
ALF.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
You let me worry about that.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
Get out, mister, go on, I where to Let's take
a walk around the back of the buildings.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Go ahead, figure to kill me and come up with
the money too. Is that it?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Keep walking?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
You know you're not gonna get away with it, don't you?
Speaker 6 (22:00):
You keep buying those fairy tales.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Maybe we can't make a deal out eh. If you
get the money, it doesn't make any difference about me,
does it.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
No, wait a minute, I suppose I give you the money.
You got it clean. You don't have to rouse me,
then do.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
You maybe all like showing you around? I never did
figure you on our side.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Why because you knew Walt Gilling what happened to him
doesn't make any difference to me.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
I don't read good Joe right from the beginning.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I didn't figure you.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
What do you mean you set the deal up?
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Didn't you looked like some fast change. I didn't count
on as much mcgillo. It's not worth it all.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Let's talk about wal what's he got to do with it?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
He was working with us push and got two wives.
Thought he could do it without it.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
So you gave him a connection with bad age. Is
that it?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
That's it?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
You kill me and the LUs isn't gonna like it.
You know that, don't you.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
We'll just passed out of her hands. Come on, let's get.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
It over with all right? Where to back there?
Speaker 6 (22:49):
What are you trying to prove? So tell you all right?
Speaker 8 (22:59):
Yeah, we've been right behind you since.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
The left ago.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, why don't you worked that well? I got the
message and left at the office. We had a tale
on the Page woman except down south, come about her.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
And other the fellow back there, Fox, he's got him,
and then they have your hand cuffy.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
The bartender, Yeah, he copped out to giving Walt Gilmer
the bad junk.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Huh. That takes care of it.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That, huh.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, come on, let's get him to the car, right,
come on, gop. Well, I'm glad this one's over.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Well, you don't look any of the worse for wear,
all right. Sure he didn't really have anything to worry about,
is that right? We'll sure you don't mind me telling
you that, do you. It's a good thing you were
two minutes later. Huh, I might not have heard you.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
The story you have just heard is true. The names
were changed to protect the innocence.
Speaker 9 (24:05):
Dolores Marie Page and Alfred Giles Harnett were tried and
convicted of murder in the first degree. David Alcott FLAQT
was tried and convicted of using narcotics, and Earl Tyler
Rockland was tried and convicted of possession of narcotics. They
all receive sentence as prescribed by law. Murder in the
first degree is punishable by life imprisonment in the State penitentiary.
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Possession of narcotics first offense, he is punishable by imprisonment
in the county jail for a period of.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Not more than one year.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
Using narcotics, he is punishable by imprisonment in the county
jail for a period of not more than one year.
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
The story you were about to hear is true. The
names have been changed to protect the innocent. Drag Mett.
You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned in narcotics detail. The
body of a man has been found in the public
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park Lake. Physical evidence indicates he was killed by narcotics.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Your job, check it out.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
It was Monday, July ninth. It was warm in Los Angele's.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
We were working the day watch on a narcotics detail.
My partner's Frank Smith. The boss's Captain Shy. My name's Friday.
We're on our way out from the office and it
was ten twenty three am when we got to them.
Forty two homicide.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Is you get a name mine?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, alright, Joe Frank, Oh yeah, alright, right with you? Yeah,
what's the spelling on that? Yeah, I'll check it out right,
I'll call you back. Uh huh, by Jack, how's it
going pretty good with you? Doesn't do much good to
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kick it?
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Never worked for me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well you got for it. And wait a minute, I
get the pictures for We got it late Saturday night.
Just got the results of the audiense of this morning.
Thought maybe you and Frank be interested. Uh h, I
get care at the table? What is it down here?
The way we got story goes together like this. A
couple of kids on their way home from the Late
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Show walked to Macarthury Park. It's been about ten thirty. Yeah,
stopped with the side of the lake for a minute
and they saw something in the water, went down to
check and found the body of a man.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Here's a picture where we found him. Contacted the park
authorities and they called the police telling the car answered
and they called us.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Uh huh you know who he is?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
No idea on him. Made him through his prints or names.
Walter Gilmer appears to be his true name, got several ediases.
He let his background and picked up for just about
everything in the code copy of his rest records.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah same, the first to rest when.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
He was fourteen, and piling him up ever since he
added up. He spent over half his life in prison. Wait,
looks he died someplace.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Else, thought he pig you that game.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Oh here there's a picture taking to the path leading
to the lake. Uh see here the tracks looks like
he was dragged down the gravel path and then dropped
into the water.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah. See there goo, Yeah, what killed him.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Had us for a while, no evidence of violence he
could have done it and his records. There are half
a dozen people in town who'd like to take care
of it. They'll copy of the office report, right, you know,
we'll explain how we thought you might wanna piece of it.
Well died the narcotics poison.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
We went over the dead man's effects without coming up
with any additional information. From the report of the coroner's office,
we knew that Gilmer had died of narcotics poisoning. We
were not able to tell the type of the narcotics used,
but it was listed as either.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Heroin or morphiend. During the past three.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Months, the Southland had been flooded with an inferior grade
of heroin. From chemical analysis, we knew that it was
being processed in Mexico.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
We'd been in touch with Mexican.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Authorities, but in spite of our joint activities, the drug
continued to cross the.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Border and continued to be circulated.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Arrests of mules and pushers had been made, suspects had
been interrogated, and all other leads had been checked out
that we were still unable to come up with the
key people in the operation. The death of Walter Gilmer
gave us a possible lead. We couldn't be sure that
he died of the low grade drug, but it was
worth looking into. Working with Sergeant Jack McCready and Danny
de Lindo of Homicide Detail, we pulled Gilmer's package and
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we went over all of the available information on him.
We made out a list of his known friends and
his associates, all of the places he was known to
frequently checked. For the next two days, anyone who had
been seen in Gilmer's company.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Was talked to.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Currently, we were at a dead end. Thursday July twelve,
eleven fourteen am. Frank and I got back from talking
to an informant. There was a note in the book
to call McCready. McCready there, Yeah, oh Jack, Joe Friday.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
But where's he now? Now we'll be right over, thank you.
What's the guy?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
One of Gilmer's friends here says he was with Gilmer
when he died. Frank and I left the Central Police
Station and walked over to the City Hall.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
By the time we'd gotten there, McCready.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Had pulled the suspects package and had what background information
there was on the man. The three of us talked
to him in the interrogation room.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
For the record. What's your name, David Flack? How old?
A twenty six?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's still your address?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah? How well did you know this?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Walter Gilmert?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
We ruined together?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
How long?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
A couple of years? According to your.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Package here, you've had several arrests for being a users?
It right, he got the paper.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I was you were with Gilmer when he died?
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Now look there you go again what I said, I
was with him when he was sick.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That's all.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
We got together Saturday night, had dinner and Walt didn't
feel so good. He shoved off, said he was going
home and get some rest.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's the last time I saw him. He went home
to get some rest.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Go ahead with what there ain't no want to say,
you guys asked me.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Remember we talked to the manager of your apartment house.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Real goof ain't she?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
She says, you and Gilmer came in together Saturday night.
Puts the time about eight thirty, says the two of
you stayed there at about nine thirty, and then she
heard you come out of the elevator with Gilmert.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
She's got real big ears.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
That's what she says. Goes on to tell us that
she went to the door of her apartment looked out
into the hall, so she saw you carried Goimer out
of the apartment building. I carried waldaus That's what she says.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
You know how big Wald is.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We've got an idea.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Well, you know I couldn't carry him any placed. Skytt
weighs me about fifty pounds. It ain't that strong.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Any Wady's willing to testify it to her.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Yeah, she talks a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
She's going to talk to you. Right into the joint,
we find Gilmer and hour later dead. You're the last
person seeing with him. Fits your real good flack. From here,
it looks like you're right for a one eighty seven charge.
You figure you can hand me down from murder.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Worth a try?
Speaker 6 (05:58):
But can you make it go?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Do you think so? Now? One thing's gonna lost it up? Yeah,
I didn't do it. I had no part in it.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
None.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Better tell us then, huh? If I give it to
you to make a difference depends on the words go ahead,
Where do I start at the beginning?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
He'll do?
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Yeah, I guess Saturday afternoon's as good as any would listen. Oh,
Walt got himself a new connection.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Said it was a good one for Heroin. Yeah, got
a good buy and a couple of bendles.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Said it was a real good deal.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Now, No, he wouldn't tell me. He just said it
was his and that when I needed some stuff he'd
set it up for me.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You're on h too, Yeah, well I lied to you.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
A couple of days in the tank will bring it
out anyway. Yeah, I'm swinging a pretty good habit. How
much shooting three a day? Right?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Go ahead?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Oh, Walt had a fix. About four in the afternoon,
we were going out for dinner and Walt said he
had enough h so's he could take one for free.
After that, we went out, got something eat. Walt didn't
eat much, said he felt way out.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Didn't hardly eat at all.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
Yeah, went back to the apartment, set around, talked, tried to.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Get him to tell me where he made the connection.
He just laughed and said it was the best thing he.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Ever fell into.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Didn't he give you any idea?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
No, not a smell. Well, pretty soon he said, didn't
feel so good.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
I thought maybe you need another POPA asked him if
he wanted me to cook it for him. He said no,
said he just wanted to get some there. Told me
he couldn't breathe too good, just lay there on the bed,
grabb him for air. I asked him if he wanted
me to call a doctor, get somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Up there to fix him. He looked pretty bad.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
He told me didn't want anybody.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Just to leave him alone. About an hour later, I
checked with him.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I want to see if he felt any better.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
He was dead.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
He took him out of the apartment.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Then, Yeah, I got scared.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
I didn't know what had happened, but I could see
you guys laying it on me.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
What'd you do?
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Took him out to the park, got him in the
back seatd the car, and took him out there. Sat
in the car for about fifteen minutes, waiting for a
couple of kids to leave. I was sitting on a
bench near the talking. I had to wait for them
to leave. Yeah, after they had gone, I'd drag walk
down the water and dumped him in the lake.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
What about his identification?
Speaker 7 (07:47):
Took it out of his pocket. Figured to give me
a couple of days to try and grow an alibi.
Figured to take that long for you to find out
who he was.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
He just left him in the lake then huh yeah, drove.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
Back to the house and tried to figure what to do.
Think if somebody would go me an alibi.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You haven't got any idea where Gilmer made the connection.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
It, no, you know where he went Saturday afternoon. No,
he left the place about ten in the morning. I
didn't see him until about three or maybe three thirty.
He was holding pretty good then, real happy, laughing it
up all over the place. Oh, Weald, he had a
real good laugh when he was feeling good.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
See. I still can't get as straight that he's dead.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Gilmore.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Have any close friends that you know of a couple,
not more than that.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I wanna give us their name.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I guess, as long as they don't find out.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They meet any new people he told you about.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
If he did, he didn't say nothing.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I'd sure like to help you.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
It's a Lozzi trick making Wald think he was getting
such a good deal and having to turn out like this.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's a Lozzy deal.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
He was real happy because he thought he scored real big,
got it real cheap.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Told me he hardly paid anything for it, and.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
They had it wrong to me.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
He huh, it was overcharged.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
We continued to talk to David Black.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
From him, we got additional names of people Walter Gilmer
had dealings with. We also got the addresses of bars
and restaurants the dead.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Man was known to a frequented.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
In our interrogation of Flak, he was unable to give
us any lead as to where Gilmer.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Might have bought the lethal narcotics.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Thursday afternoon, at four twenty one pm, Flack was taken
to the main jail to be booked in on suspicion
of violation of the State Narcotic Act of felony. Frank
and I went back to the office and talked with
Captain Shy. We told him what had happened, and we
reviewed the progress we'd made in attempting to apprehend the
leaders of the narcotic ring. After talking over all the possibilities,
it was decided that the only way we had of
getting to the higher ups in the operation was for
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one of us to go underground.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
We decided that I would act.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
A part of a buyer from northern California and try
to make the contact with the members of the ring.
I was given a quantity of market bills and fictitious identification.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Before I left the office.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Frank and I worked out a method for communication, and
I went home to change my clothes. I left all
of my police identification there, and the next morning I
began to be seen in the bars and restaurants where
Walter Gilmer was known. For the first week, it went slow.
The people involved were cautious of all newcomers. On Saturday,
July twenty first, I had breakfast and then I walked
go over to a small place on the seventh.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Street out for business yet, Joe, no problem.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I had some time to kill, but I do it here.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
If you got ob no sitting down.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
I'm just getting the booze up from downstairs.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
And you want something with coke?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Maybe?
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You got one with cold?
Speaker 8 (10:15):
Yeah, I could put a shot in it if you want.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
No, Sorry, it's too early.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Bos don't like it if I pour it before ten?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
House business?
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Oh not bad. I guess it's a little slow all over.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Yeah, I'm going with you, Joe slow.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
How long you figured i'd be in town?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Only got a couple more days. I gotta get back
up north.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
I never heard you say what you did.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I chilled down the promoter.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
I mean like price fights.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
No anything can make a buck on.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
What are you working on now?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Well? I got a deal?
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Yeah. I guess you'd rather I didn't get too nosey.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, it might be better that way.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Where's that you're trying to make a buy? Was I
I say words that you're trying to make a buy?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
That's so?
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Yeah, that's what the word is?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
It something around no place you can point to, just.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Around anything of what I'm looking for.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I understand it's h that what you think. I don't know,
just only what the word is.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Understand. You're a good friend of Waltmer.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, I knew him. We didn't live together.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I knew him rough thing about Walt?
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Yes it is you ever find out what killed him?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I don't read the paper as much. Was it in
the papers?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Eh, rumble is against some bad stuff?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Is that right?
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Yeah, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
There might be. I told you, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
I guess if you're a friend of his, you'd then
like to talk to this connection.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Huh, boy, it doesn't make any difference to me when
way or the other.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
You ain't sure about walk uh huh.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I told you I knew him. I didn't know him good,
just enough to.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Say hello, that's all m uh. Rough the way he went, what's.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You're a.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, I'll see you around.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
You gotta leave, Huh.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I told you I only got a couple more days
in time. I gotta line something up before I go back.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Well, uh, maybe I can't give you a hand. Yeah,
depends on what you're after. I got a lot of
friends around. I'll be able to do some dud.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
How you're gonna work the how much you.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Want to buy?
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Let's see, come off, But Joe, we got to rum
belong you down here from Sacramento.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
You're here to make a buy.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It's a simple question.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
How much you want to take back with you?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
If I wanted to make a connection, that you the
guy I'm supposed to see if I wanted to.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Make a connection, might work out that way.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
You hold him now a little?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
How big not to handle your action?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I want a couple of ounces a lot of stuff.
I don't sell a cut rates. Now. You're holding that much,
aren't you.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
No? I can line it up for you, But do
you take your piece off the top?
Speaker 6 (12:48):
I make the deal for him? Oh no, I'll go huh.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I don't know how you work things here, but I
only do.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Business with a gun, and well this one don't work there.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, well let's forget the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Wait hold it, Joe, Yeah, you got the cash.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I can get it.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
A little work and I'll have to see I deal
with the gun and the boy's off.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
I'll check it. He's the good stuff, the best we
got to offer.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That's not much of an answer.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well do you know what do you know?
Speaker 6 (13:12):
The way here on like a phone call?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
This is our Yeah, I know, I know, but this
is important.
Speaker 8 (13:34):
Got a guy here wants to buy a couple of shirts,
all large science. Uh huh, as far as we know
he is, I talked to you about Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Now I said he won't buy him from anybody else.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Yeah, that's what I told him. He says he's got it.
Just a minute of check to be here about seven
to ninth. Huh have you hear a night about seven?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Well we make the deal, sure, yeah, yeah, hate.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Maggott all right, Yeah, yeah, I know, I told you.
We checked.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
He's all right.
Speaker 8 (14:11):
Uh huh, they're right, goodbye, he's name all right, you're
here at seven?
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Make it sharp. Huh, okay, he meets the boss.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I got in touch with Frank and I filled him
in on what had happened. For the first time in
several months, it appeared as if we had a concrete.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Lead to the operators of the Dope Ring.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
It was arranged to keep the bar under surveillance, but
not to take anybody into custody until a by had
been made. I went back to the room I was
renting and I waited. I left at five point thirty,
had something to eat, and at five minutes of seven
I walked into the bar. The place was crowded, there
wasn't an empty stool, and most.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Of the boots were taken. I hedged up to the
bar and caught the bartenders.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Attention, buying it. You're early now, you.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Said, seven sharp.
Speaker 8 (14:59):
Yeah, we're going to do business where I get out
from behind the barn.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, my here, Joe, here it is. You're joking, aren't you?
Speaker 6 (15:11):
No, Joe, this is a boss.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Oh I had it figured a little different, Yeah, everybody does.
The woman sitting in the booth was in her late
thirties or early forties. It was hard to tell. She
had dark hair and blue eyes. The suit she was
wearing was gray and it looked expensive. After the bartender
introduced us, she told him to bring a drink, and
(15:36):
then she motioned me to sit down.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Your name's Joe Preez.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I tells me what's an action?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
No, he gave you the story. Oh, I know you're
a legitimate Steve.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
You don tell you want me to go out on
a lemon.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Turn over two months of heroin?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So I'm willing to pay for it.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Lady, where's he gonna go?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Up north on the ground sycamore?
Speaker 8 (15:56):
You got the right to get rid of business.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
They're waiting for it now, and I.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Should tell you I haven't got two answers.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Well, and I'm wasting my time.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
But I can get it.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'll see.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Yeah, how quick do you need it?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I want to leave time a couple of days. I
till now.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
You weren't kind of long.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I don't see how the figures in the prize.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Oh right, okay, we've got goes to four fifty an
ounces pretty high.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
The best we can get should be you want to
make a deal the price comes down, No, I can't
swing more two ances.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Even if the price is dropped.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
How much to three fifty.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
No, it doesn't fit.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
What's the angle If you're on your own, must get
a little tiresome to.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Carry the load by yourself.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Maybe I was thinking maybe you'd like a partner you
that's what I had in mind. No, go ah, a
lot of reasons, meaning because I don't need anybody. Then
it's going to.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Cost you four fifty.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Well I figured that going in. When do you want
the stuff mine? I'll do.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Then you have to be late.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
We've got it coming in then somewhere the price doesn't
include that.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Okay, where do I pick the h up? Also call you.
I'll give you the time and the place. Well, it's
high grade. I might want some more and pay our price.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You'll get it. Sorry, I mean a big mistake.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Joe, that's all. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
I got la sewed up good and tied good distribution,
all the product I need.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You got to know it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
We put them together. We could vote come out real Well.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
No, I told you before I don't need partners.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
You might be wrong, Joe, you might already have one.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I stopped by the bar and gave the bar tender
my phone number. He said he'd call me as soon
as he had any information.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I left the place and walked over to Fifth Street.
At a corner restaurant, I put in a call to
Frank and I filled him in on what had happened.
It was set up that he and Sergeant Roxy.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Lucarelli would keep me under surveillance all the following day.
In the meantime, the woman the Laurus Page.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Would be watched also. I went back to the hotel
where I was staying and went to bed.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
At three thirty eight, the phone rang and the bartender
Alf told me to get dressed and meet.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Him in front of the hotel right away.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
He said we were leaving town immediately to make the
narcotic spy. I tried to call Frank and fill him
in on what had happened, but I couldn't reach him.
I got in touch with the office and left word
regarding the meet, and then went downstairs.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
To wait for Alf. At three forty five am, Alf
drove up to the entrance.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I tried to stall as long as possible to give
them in from the office time to get there, but
finally we left the hotel before they arrived. In the
car with Alf and myself were a man who introduced
himself as Earle and the woman the Laurus Page. We
drove down to the beach and turned south on Highway
one oh one.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And continued down to San Diego.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
At six thirty am, we checked into a small hotel
and Alf, along with Earle, left to make the meat
and the buy. I tried to find out where they
were going, but they refused to give me any information.
The laws page and I waited for him to come back.
I was unable to contact the San Diego authorities, telling
them what to watch out for. Apparently I'd lost.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Contact with Frank and Lucarelli.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
The only hope now was that someplace along the line
the Page woman and then associates would make some kind
of a mistake. We waited at the hotel until twelve fifteen,
when Alf and the Earl returned.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
You downstairs in the car, now coming, you're still late.
We got hump on the other side of National City.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Customs inspections went through the car.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Find anything.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
No, it's just something wrong about the whole deal.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
What do you mean?
Speaker 6 (19:17):
It looks like they were waiting for us, like somebody
had tipped them off.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
We were coming through.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
What makes you think fast?
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Where they acted? Other cars have just looked over ours.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
They went all the way through, took the seats out,
checked the tires, even climbed underneath.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I'll tell you if somebody tipped them off.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
They were waiting. Anything wrong with this, I want no
part of it. To understand that we've.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Been working it a long time without no hits. You
all of a sudden you come along. We got trouble.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
What are you trying to build?
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Just but it's funny that it happened now first time
you're here.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
You're trying to say that I got something to do
with the shakedown if it fits where you know you listen,
you to a bit punk. I got more to losing
you have. I'm paying top price for this product. I
got customers waiting. Now you come breezing them here and
try to lay one of your own mistakes on me,
and I'll break your back.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
You talk like a man twelve foot tall.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I don't have to be that big. I knock it
off you two beefing isn't going to do any good.
They didn't find anything, got no.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Call to figure it was a tip alf no reason
at all.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Now let's get out of here. Said you're a boy
to get off my back, worry about it. There won't
be any more trouble.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Better not be. But I'll spell it out for you.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Is that right?
Speaker 6 (20:09):
There is an I'm gonna cause it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
The three of us went downstairs and got into the car.
We started to drive back to Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
From what I could find out, the narcotics by had
been made in Mexico, but the heroin was not in
the car we were driving.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
We continued up the coast. Just south of Oceanside, California,
we began to follow a large bus.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
As we drove, I noticed that Alf was being careful
to keep the vehicle in sight. At San clement He
the bus pulled into a small roadside restaurant for a
rest stop.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
We parked immediately in back of it. Alf got out
of the car and approached the bus.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
He walked up to the rear of the vehicle, reached
under the rear bumper, and removed a small package wrapped
in waterproof material. He checked the contents, and then he
walked back to the car.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Get it, yeah, right where we put the stuff? Get in.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Let me have it.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah, there it is.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Joe got the money.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
You wanna wrap it up right here? No reason not
to why the way? Wait? Will we get back to town?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Be easier?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
There?
Speaker 7 (21:13):
You got any special reason to way?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Got the money? Ye?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And why wait? Well?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Let me see what I'm buying.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Here?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah? Looks sorright? Best wo can buy?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
You don't have to taste?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Just what are you trying to pull? What do you
try to sell me? This stuff's no good. You're not
gonna stick me four fifty for this junk. You made
the deal and I'm leaving it. I want no part
of it.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
It's a little late to come up with that.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
You haven't been paid yet.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
We will be get out of the car alone.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Alf.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
We've done it your way all along and hasn't worked out.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
From hearing, I'm gonna call it.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
We're doing it wrong.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
ALF.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
You let me worry about that.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
Get out, mister, go on, I where to Let's take
a walk around the back of the buildings.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Go ahead, figure to kill me and come up with
the money too. Is that it?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Keep walking?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
You know you're not gonna get away with it, don't you?
Speaker 6 (22:00):
You keep buying those fairy tales.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Maybe we can't make a deal out eh. If you
get the money, it doesn't make any difference about me,
does it.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
No, wait a minute, I suppose I give you the money.
You got it clean. You don't have to rouse me,
then do.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
You maybe all like showing you around? I never did
figure you on our side.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Why because you knew Walt Gilling what happened to him
doesn't make any difference to me.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
I don't read good Joe right from the beginning.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I didn't figure you.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
What do you mean you set the deal up?
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Didn't you looked like some fast change. I didn't count
on as much mcgillo. It's not worth it all.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Let's talk about wal what's he got to do with it?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
He was working with us push and got two wives.
Thought he could do it without it.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
So you gave him a connection with bad age. Is
that it?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
That's it?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
You kill me and the LUs isn't gonna like it.
You know that, don't you.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
We'll just passed out of her hands. Come on, let's get.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
It over with all right? Where to back there?
Speaker 6 (22:49):
What are you trying to prove? So tell you all right?
Speaker 8 (22:59):
Yeah, we've been right behind you since.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
The left ago.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, why don't you worked that well? I got the
message and left at the office. We had a tale
on the Page woman except down south, come about her.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
And other the fellow back there, Fox, he's got him,
and then they have your hand cuffy.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
The bartender, Yeah, he copped out to giving Walt Gilmer
the bad junk.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Huh. That takes care of it.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That, huh.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, come on, let's get him to the car, right,
come on, gop. Well, I'm glad this one's over.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Well, you don't look any of the worse for wear,
all right. Sure he didn't really have anything to worry about,
is that right? We'll sure you don't mind me telling
you that, do you. It's a good thing you were
two minutes later. Huh, I might not have heard you.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
The story you have just heard is true. The names
were changed to protect the innocence.
Speaker 9 (24:05):
Dolores Marie Page and Alfred Giles Harnett were tried and
convicted of murder in the first degree. David Alcott FLAQT
was tried and convicted of using narcotics, and Earl Tyler
Rockland was tried and convicted of possession of narcotics. They
all receive sentence as prescribed by law. Murder in the
first degree is punishable by life imprisonment in the State penitentiary.
(24:26):
Possession of narcotics first offense, he is punishable by imprisonment
in the county jail for a period of.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Not more than one year.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
Using narcotics, he is punishable by imprisonment in the county
jail for a period of not more than one year.
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