Grace Watcher Report - Natural Law and Objective Truth Revisited

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And it's a direct quote with some paraphrasing. I'm not
changing a word. All I'm doing is eliminating some of
the heavier words. But you guys know, I'm famous for
my rants and my tangents, especially my van rants. But
I don't know if I don't know if I can
compete with this one. He says, Uh, you're not playing

(00:21):
to win, You're playing to lose. You don't know the
tactics that are being used against you. You don't understand
the real methods of mind control. You're attached to your
distorted thoughts and your bullshit religions, and you're going deeper
and deeper into into change, bondage and slavery. And that's
exactly what you, guys deserve. None of your lives deserve
to improve because you've sat on your lazy ass. You

(00:42):
haven't spoken out, you haven't put any skin in the game.
You've basically done nothing, and you've wished for a world
to change. You keep swallowing that nonsense religion. It's just
a new version of that old religion. Stand down, SI
out to get you to do absolutely nothing. Nice man, awesome,
nice rant. I can't deliver it with the passion, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
It's it's anger that comes from a place of really
desiring to see positive change and justice, and that's righteous indignation.
So you know, I'm trying to inspire people to get
up off the sidelines, to get up off the bench,
to come out of the dugout, get on the playing field,

(01:27):
and actually do something. You know, it's action that's going
to change things, not good intentions, not even just knowledge.
Knowledge is just a means to getting onto the battlefield
and actually changing things. Knowledge is what should drive us.
Knowledge and care is what should drive us to right
action in the world. And that's what I'm ultimately trying

(01:50):
to inspire.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
The issue has really been that people, unfortunately are stuck
in completely erroneous constructural belief systems that I call religion
that I differentiate from the traditional cultural religions, but they
are religious mindsets nonetheless, and they don't just quite understand

(02:12):
how they have to actually get involved in this battle
because this is, as I said, a spiritual battle, and
it's going to take warriors. We need to become spiritual
warriors in this battle because it's a battle for the
minds and hearts of the people of this planet.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
And it's a battle for our very freedom.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And that is literally true, because we're losing our freedoms
day by day. And what people believe the solutions are,
unfortunately are not what is going to save us, is
not what is going to lead to true freedom. This
is why I'm saying the people who say they want
freedom and recognize that they're living in a controlled system,
in a system of what amounts to slavery in the

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modern day, what they have to understand is that there
is no political solution. There is no financial solution, There
is no technological solution.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
The solution is spiritual.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
The solution is becoming someone who cannot be fooled, tricked,
or placed under mind control. The solution is becoming someone
who does not worship money just to go do I
moral things for a paycheck. The solution is that people
have to actually become truly moral.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Freedom is reserved for moral people.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
And once again I delineate and distinguish completely between true
objective morality versus nonsensical, religious, dogmatic so called morality. I
am not a religionist. I am also not an atheist.
I don't subscribe to either of those dialectical mind control conditions.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean that's saying a lot because you do come
from a Roman Catholic background. Yes, so you were very
you were the difference between Catholicism and well, in my
own upbring as a Southern Baptist is ritual. Roman Catholic
religion is very heavy and ritual, whereas the Southern Baptist
is really heavy on rhetoric. So we have very similar backgrounds,

(04:12):
and we both pretty much divorced ourselves from these paradigms.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
My background has spanned the gamut because I was born
into Roman Catholicism, I was educated by Jesuits, and then
I became a Satanist. So, you know, for people who
know my background, they know this story very well. And
a lot of the information that I understand regarding the
occult came from direct experience in circles of dark occultism,

(04:41):
namely Satanism.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
So it's something that I had to decide very early
on in my broadcasting career.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Whether I wanted to be open and speak about it
openly and just tell people or just keep it private.
And I decided, no, I don't think that that should
be kept private. I have to tell people my background
and help them to understand experiences that I went.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Through because I worked directly with.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Social engineers and mind controllers and dark occultists, and I
was helping them get.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
That work done, get their dark work done. Back in
my youth, you're talking.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
About like, are you talking about like Tavistock types stuff?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Absolutely, things like that I didn't get into. I didn't
get into think tanks that are that large or that
well known. But I was involved in my early life
with the Church of Satan, which was run by Anton Levy.
So I got very disillusioned with religion when I was
in my young teenage years, and I decided that I

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was going to turn all of that disillusionment and anger
that I perceived being lied to about, you know, the
realities of our world and all all of the you know,
sociological questions that I have that religion couldn't answer. I
just decided, I'm going to seek out the exact opposite,
and I'm going to get involved in.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
What would be considered to be evil.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
So I started getting into the occult, which, by the way,
does not mean obviously your list your viewership.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Probably knows this well. A cult does not mean evil.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
It means hidden, right, so you know, But Back then,
I was just trying to just find the polar opposite
to the most direct extent that I could then religion
and specifically Christianity. So I found LaVey's Satanic Bible and
basically devoured that, and that became my mental ideology, uh,

(06:35):
in my state of ego and ignorance when I was young,
and basically I espoused that Satanic ideology, which again we
can get into what the main belief system is of
real Satanism, not what religionists believe Satanism to be worshiping
some you know, uh Deity with horns and red skin

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and a tail and hoofs, which is you know, childish,
cartoonish belief. But what it really is is the apotheosis
of the ego, the raising of the ego to godhood,
which is basically what the social engineers are and what
they're trying to become. They want to become God on
this planet, rule everyone with an iron fist.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
So you know, when I discovered.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Leavey and Satanism when I was young, I ran with
that ball and I started espousing the ideology by writing.
It was through writing that I really began putting Satanism
out into the world in these little self published magazines
called fanzines, which were very big in like the eighties

(07:45):
and nineties, and they were yeah in the underground music
and art community.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I was heavily influenced at that period, in the late
eighties and nineties by the little pamphlets that were going
around by the anonymous Wicked Jesture.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
You interesting, I have not read that one, but interesting.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
No one knew who wik ad Gesture was, but he
always had the most incisive, badass little quotes that were
all anarchist stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I would write some articles for small fanzines. Probably the
largest one that I ever wrote for was called The
grim Ware of Exalted Deeds, which some people may remember
from the underground death metal and black metal circuit. So again,
I was very big into heavy music. Still am quite frankly,

(08:30):
that's still you know what lies at my heart musically,
And although I spanned the gamut when it comes to
musical genres, I love all kind of kinds of music,
but you know, metal and death metal where my preferred genres.
When I was young and I started a death metal
band where we espoused Satanism in the lyrics very very

(08:51):
very heavily and through my writing and music. Anton Levy
himself discovered me. People will say, well, what did you
do to become a priest in the Church of Satan, Like,
what kind of process did you have to go through?
I was just a regular member because I agreed with
the ideology back then, and I espoused it in again

(09:13):
art and writing, music and writing, and Levey contacted me
to appoint me a priest within the Church of Satan.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Now, when people hear.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
This, this always gets distorted, and I try to be
very clear and clarify what I mean by this.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
So I was never a high priest. I never held
a high rank.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I was not very high up in this hierarchy within
the Satanic community.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well, I was just about to ask you, what is
it hierarchical in nature? I mean, it's all Do they
have deacons, they have orders? Do they have rituals that
get you hired to I don't understand. I don't know
anything about it. I have read, I have read all.
It was a mystical magazine that had a bunch of
LaVey writings in there, but all they do is paraferne.

(10:00):
So really, I'm not really familiar with too much of
his hardcore books, they'd added is it hieral, I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
It is, it is, and they have added some rankings
since I was involved. When I was involved, there were
very simple ranks within the Church of Satan. That was
member at the bottom of the hierarchy, and that that
just required joining, paying the membership fee, applying with the application,
which is basically a psychological vetting procedure to see if

(10:28):
you really have the mindset of Satanism, and uh, then
you became a member and they gave you a card
and that was really it.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
You just described the first thirteen degrees of Freemason religion.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
They take you higher, amen exactly. So, uh, that's rank one,
at least when I was involved. Ranked two is you know,
if you basically aspired to become an active member, you
know you actually then would do things to try to
prom vote the Satanic ideology, and if that work was recognized,

(11:04):
you would be made priest by the high Priest of
the organization. So that's the second rank was priest. Above that,
there was magister slash magistra. So depending on the person's
you know, sex, it was either you know, magistrate for
females and magister for males. So that is the basically

(11:27):
like a lieutenant for priests. Okay, it's it's it's basically
the people who structure the activity of the priests in
the in the order, in the in the organization, and
above above magister, you had Council of nine, which is
a ruling body in for this whole structure of the organization,

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the direction of the organization. They're like generals who are
carrying out the orders of the High Priest.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
San Francisco or San Diego.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yes, it was San Francisco back then when Anton Leavey
was still living. He died in late nineteen ninety seven,
and it went under a few other people's leadership until
it now is run by I'm trying to think of
his name. Peter Gilmore is the current High Priest right now.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
So there's no crossover with Aliaster Crowley.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
I would say that there's not direct crossover with Thalaima,
although sometimes they discuss similar topics. I wouldn't directly liken
or associate Thilama directly to dark occultism. It has elements
of both, especially if you get into the very complicated

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area of looking at Crowley himself, which is not necessarily Thileamau,
but it is Croleyism, so it's very enigmatic in that,
you know, Crowley may have begun the the ideology and
the philosophy of Thalama, but didn't necessarily walk its path
in life. So I distinguished between Crowley and Thalama in

(13:10):
my occultic work. But you know, going back to the
structure of the Church of Satan, you have high priests
at the top above council of nine. So it's a
very simple structure, you know, five basic ranks. And I
never moved up beyond priest. I never became a magister.
I never went the Council of nine. Certainly wasn't the
high priest. I was a rank and file priest in

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the Church of Satan for a while, and Levey eventually
asked me because apparently he himself was impressed with my
communication abilities and how I would reach out to the
wider community to express Satanic beliefs. I guess he felt
I had a good handle on the ideology and I did, otherwise.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
He wouldn't made me a priest.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
And you know, I felt I did deeply unders stand
and espouse it.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
So he asked me to.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Head one of their covens which they don't call covens
in this branch of Satanism. And this is not again
one thing that should be understood before I even continue,
is this is not the entirety of Satanism in the world.
This is one small sect of Satanism. Okay, people think
when I say I was involved in the Church of
Satan and Satanism runs the world, that I'm saying the

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Church of Satan runs the world. I'm not saying that,
never have. It's part of the very very very wider
worldwide network of the Satanic ideology and the people who
are ultimately the social engineers for our world. This is
the this is their religion essentially, this is their mindset,

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this is their ideology, and we could break down what
the basic components of that ideology are momentarily. Just to
give you an example of my background and complete that.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
You know, I was only a priest.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Levey liked my writing and music, at least the Satanic
element within those things, and he offered me to head
of grotto, which is what they call their covens. I
recognized back then how much responsibility that entailed for an individual,
how much preparation and you know, groundwork that you would

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have to lay and how many people's personalities you would
have to deal with. And I was already in a
band signed to a label in Greece at the time,
UNI Sound Records, and I was trying to get you know,
go on tour, get tour support, you know, all kinds
of things that band members do, and you're dealing with
the personality of for other people minimum you know, in

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these types of bands and the type of music I
was playing, and that was difficult enough in my life
at the time, and I just didn't want to take
on that responsibility. So I turned down the grotto leadership
that was offered to me. Perhaps if I took that,
he might have moved me up to magister. That never
occurred because I told him I am not prepared to

(16:06):
take on that responsibility.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
He accepted that and didn't press it and.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Basically gave me contact information through the mail.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
And this was there. No, there was no email.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I mean, email did exist, but we were still writing
handwritten letters back then, you know, with postage stamps, putting
it in the mail and snail mail, and you know.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
None of this was digital.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
You know, this was still all by hand communication back then.
In the mid nineties.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, I sympathized. I wrote, I have written probably sixteen
or seventeen books, and some of them were close to
a thousand pages, and I wrote them all by hand. Wow,
because I was in prison. Why I was writing by
hand till twenty sixteen, so amazing. I sympathize. I know
you can stay up on it mail and it is
the only way we could communicate.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
So he he gave me some contact info for other
grottos in my tri state area, namely Pennsylvania.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Delaware, and Maryland.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Again, people would consider the tri state you know area, Pennsylvania,
New Jersey and Delaware, but the context he gave me
largely lay in Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Maryland. So I attended
a couple a few and basically that's when I got

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the wider picture of what the Satanic network was and
what was involved with it, because it was not just
individuals studying Leavey and Satanism. It was a much broader
dynamic of human society present there, and it was leaders.
It was power brokers and trendsetters and leaders in every

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single community and every single institutionalized walk of life that
you can imagine.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Right, you had members of the bar Fabians society. Yeah yeah,
you had all your yeah, all your fraternal benefits societies,
most ladge elks, I get it, I get it.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
And every other societal institution. I mean, you had teachers,
principles of schools, doctors, lawyers, cops, military people, uh, you know, politicians.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
The judges.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
These are the people. These are the people we all
see on the media in the news. These are the mayors,
the governors, that's right. Yeah, these are the ones. These
are the ones running everything. And you know, they got
to do what their handlers tell them to do. And
that's why we always can't believe that they just passed
this law or they're enforcing this rule, and everything's just
so asked backwards.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
It is a worldwide hierarchical network.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
And when I saw it in person, it viscerally shook
me to the core. That they were very very open
among themselves talking about how they were trying to control
all of human society. Very open, you know, behind closed doors.
They just spoke out freely and openly amongst each other

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about what their agendas were. And as I describe it,
to put it as simply and succinctly as possible, it
was to increase their own personal power at the expense
of everyone.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Else's rights and freedoms.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
They wanted to cripple our rights and freedom so that
they could become God. Essentially was their overarching agenda. And
when I explain this to people, they're like, well, you
couldn't possibly have gotten out of that. And that's another
complete misunderstanding that people have regarding Satanism. It does at
some level work like a mafia, but at the level

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I was involved in it at they did not care
if you decided not to cooperate or go along because
I did not quote unquote know where the bodies were buried.
My involvement had not progressed to that extent where you did.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
But you did suffer some extenuating circumstance.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
I mean, you've been digitally stalked, You've talked about it
a lot on your channel, the You've had to disable
your comments on a lot of your videos, So I mean,
they kind of remind you. They do remind you that,
hey man, we're still here, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
You know, I don't know whether I even attribute that
to Satanists as much as I do people in the
so called freedom community that just have a very debased
understanding of things and want to attack me because I'm
saying things that they get butt hurt by or that
they you know, radically and vehemently disagree with. And then

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they they want to make my platform into their platform,
right And I'm not going to allow that because my
my research is not just backed up by scholarly research
and book reading, et cetera. It's backed up by direct, first,
first hand personal experience. These social engineers.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I'm gonna listen to you before I listen to somebody
who read a book on Satanism right.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now, exactly exactly, and all the people who I know
in life who I feel deeply understand what Satanism is
have experience in the dark occult in some capacity. You know,
the first person I'll tell you if you want to
hear what really goes on at the higher levels of
Satanism which I was not involved in, is my friend

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Jay Parker. I mean, you check out his work that
he was born into a generational dark occult family and
ritualistically tortured brutally as a child. So you know, his
story overlaps a lot with someone like Kathy O'Brien and
the stories that she has put forward in her books.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Read I've read one of her books. Yeah, it was
it was almost unbelievable. I can't dismiss her. But some
of the stuff that she had said.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
In there was like, Wow, man, this is horrific actually
going on.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Wow, horrific.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yes, And again, my involvement was not there at that level.
So when you're at a very very low level and
you see what you're getting ready to involve yourself with,
before you actually take that step, you have the option
to say no, I'm not doing this. And that's what
I did. I basically said, look, I see.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
What this is.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
This isn't like just learning hidden knowledge to increase your
own individual personal power in your life. This is like
you're trying to devastate other people's lives and turn them
into unthinking automaton slaves. I didn't sign up for that.
That is not what I signed up for when I
got involved in the occult. So I still had a

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conscience to an extent.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
It may have been degraded, it may have been completely
stuck in the ego and in false constructs, but it
was still there to the extent that I didn't want
to enslave my fellow men and women. And I told
them this, and I said, I have a moral problem
with that.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
And they're like, well, there's the door there, it is
right there. You go, boy, we don't.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Need you, You need us. You know you think that
we need you in this organization. We got ten thousand
people that would step into any role that we could
possibly want filled.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Somebody in the comments section remarked that they said it
was easy for you to walk away because you weren't bloodlined,
so they don't feel like it wasn't treachery.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
It was just like, okay, you know, f off, go on,
go on a bunch of business.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Absolutely, absolutely true. But I would add to that as
a smallerdendum. Even within the bloodline families, you have the
option to walk away. They don't give you that option
until you reach the age of eighteen basic adulthood that
is generally recognized, and they torture you mercilessly and get

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you psychologically dependent on them, and then if your spirit
is actually strong enough, they will let you walk.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
At the age of eighteen.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
This is what happened with Jay Parker, and that's how
strong his spirit was that they could not break him
ultimately so, and now he's been exposing it for the
last more than a decade. So there are people who
come out of this and speak out, and it's rare.
It's it is rare, but it does happen. Another friend

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of mine, Jerry Blaze, who basically came out of the
Satanic mindset as well. I don't know how far he
went in any actual organizations within Satanism, but definitely espeuse
the mindset you know, went into, came out of that
mindset and then basically talked about it, exposed it, and
he started some type of a religious organization that was

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Christian based, some type of a ministry. So some people
go in the religious direction, some people go in the
true spiritual direction and become whistleblowers. And this is the
first thing about me and my work that I want
to tell to everybody. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I
take umbrage with that term applied to me.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Great word, great word, don't apply that term to me.
I'm a whistle blower.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I have first hand direct experience with the dark occult,
and I'm blowing the whistle on that. I'm not theorizing
or coming up with all kinds of ideas about it.
I lived that life in my direct, personal, first hand experience,
which ninety nine point nine percent of people are never
going to do. They're never going to be in those places.

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They're never going to be in those positions.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
So this is why.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
I tend to get a little bit animated, excited, aggravated,
what however you want to call it with people that
want to say that they're more qualified to speak on satanism,
or that I'm not saying what real satanism is. It's
exactly the case that I'm telling people what real satanism is.
And if you believe in the religious notion of Satanism

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as comes from the Christian tradition of you know this
this deity with a red skin and hoofs and horns
and a tail, I'm sorry to break the news to you,
but you've been lied to. That's what religion's role is
in our world is to lie to people. It's to
get people to believe ridiculous, nonsensical notions and ideas that

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are completely constructural in the mind and have no bearing
on actual point of factor reality in nature.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
It is the namely religion is there.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
For traditional cultural religions there for one main reason, and
that is to obfuscate true morality, which is why when
I say the solution is directly living objective morality in
our lives, because freedom is reserved for the truly moral,
for the good, truly good people. That's how freedom is manifested.

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Freedom is manifested through goodness and morality. I am directly
delineating between true morality, which is objective and exists in nature,
versus religious constructural morality that is put out there to
confuse and obfuse cate true objective morality in the minds

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of the masses of people. That's the goal of all religion,
no matter what religious denomination or sect or branch we're
talking about. That's the goal of Judaism, that's the goal
of Christianity, that's the goal of Islam, that's the goal
of Buddhism, and whatever other religion you know. Daoism is
a little bit different, but in general, organized religion is

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there to make people not understand true objective morality.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
It's to give people.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Nonsensical subjective morality that they cling to dogmatically, and then
basically make people who are trying to approach morality from
a reasoned position and a true philosophical and spiritual position.
Look at the religionists and go, I'm going to throw

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all morality out. I have to throw the baby out
with the bathwater. And that's what happens with atheistic people.
They'll throw morality out because religionists have this completely ridiculous,
nonsensical view of morality that isn't in alignment with true morality.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
So this has been my work.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
My work has a few essential underlying components to it.
So the generalities are just briefly outlined, and then we
can get into whichever ones you want to explore.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
The generalities of my.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Work are explaining to people what satanism actually is versus
what religions will tell you satanism is, and the media
and Hollywood and your parents and your clergy whoever. Real
Satanism contains four major overarching tenets or constructural belief systems

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that is really in the heart and mind of all
the people who subscribe to it and espouse it and
try to propagate it.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Could talk about those in a little bit.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
But my work involves exposing what real Satanism is and
how these social engineers who espouse this ideology are really
running the world and placing people under a state of
mind control through their knowledge of occultism and the psychology
that is contained within occult knowledge.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
The second part of my work is delineation.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Between the real and the constructural, delineation between what actually
exists in the natural universe versus what human beings invent
with the power of the imagination and the mind that
has no bearing on actual point of factor reality in nature.

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That's a big component of my work. Another gigantic component
of my work is what true morality is and how
to align our behavior to it if we want to
become free, Because there's a law in nature that as
morality in increases, freedom increases, and as morality declines, freedom declines.

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Morality and freedom are in direct proportionality to each other.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
This is a natural law of the universe. No truly moral.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
People can ever really become enslaved as a species in
the aggregate, and no truly immoral people can ever truly
really become free, can ever attain the true state of freedom.
So if you look at our society and you recognize
that we are enslaved, and that is the case, we are.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Living in enslavement.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
We are living in duress, We are living under a
state of control, both mental and physical. Then you have
to understand that the prior factor, you know, the a
priori condition, is immorality. Only an immoral species can become
an enslaved species.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Only a truly.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Good species from a moral standpoint can ever become a
free species.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
So that's a huge crux of my work.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
One of the other huge cruxes of my work is
one that I would say comes under the most direct
attack and is hated by a lot of people, and
that is what is true human nature. This is one
of the big cruxes of my work because you will
get the camp split almost fifty to fifty on both sides.

(31:20):
Human nature is good, human nature is evil. Human nature
is completely determined by genetics. Human nature is completely random.
And what I have been trying to explain to people
from day one is that none of those things are
human nature. And for anybody to state that any of
those things are human nature, they really don't have the knowledge.

(31:41):
They don't have the data, they don't have the grammar
in hand because they haven't studied enough. From the perspective
of the trivium method of truth discovery and reasoning and logic.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
And this is.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Another big component of my work, the trivium, the trivium
process of learning how to think, instead of just being
indoctrinated into what to think, or getting a couple of
sound bite snippets and then thinking you have the answer
when it requires often years of scholarly intensive research and
study and reading thousands of books, and then people want

(32:15):
to burst in into the room and say, I haven't
read really anything on this, but this is what I
formulated in my own mind just by thinking about it
for the last couple.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Of I I had this issue with detractors sometimes who
require for me in two minutes what took me two
decades to put together exactly.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
It's irritating. I get it. I get it. I get it.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
The almass you are a really good example of what
you just talked about. The Amish as a culture has
remained virtually independent. You can't find a freer people.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, I mean they're huge out here in this community.
I like a lot of components of their culture, and
I dislike others, particularly not interacting with technology.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I mean I'm not a lot. I am not all.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's because they're religion is and if I can, if
I can remove that aspect from the homish.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Everything else about them is a high moral fibric.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
So you know, I'm not a primitivist.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
You know, technology is the way we get the word
out and it's absolutely required.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
This is another crux of my work. So you know,
you know, human.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Nature is programmable. This is what I have been trying
to explain to people, that it's almost entirely nurture. I'm
not saying there's no role for nature or the genetics,
but I'm saying that those are overcome by what we

(33:44):
take into ourselves as far as knowledge is concerned, and
then what we are willing to do with that knowledge
through our free will. And people have a huge problem
with this because they somehow want it to be terministic,
because that is what absolves them in their own distorted,

(34:05):
twisted thinking from the personal responsibility to learn and to
grow and to get involved and to put skin in.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
The game and to take right action.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
They want to think, oh, somebody is locked into this
form of behavior through their genetics, and do you know
what that is? That that level of thinking, that sort
of Darwinistic and Galtonesque thinking.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Is completely mind control.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
And not to mention that it is actually one hundred
percent refuted pseudoscience that is over one hundred and fifty
or so years old, that has been completely disproven by
the new and emerging science of epigenetics.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
And this is the.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
We're not uniformitarians here. We're not. We don't fall into
the natural selection evolutionary.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Crap, Thank you, thank God.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
And absolutely because we have the will to change ourselves.
If I could come out of the satanic mindset and
develop the will to do what I do on a
day to day basis, anybody can change.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Change is one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Absolutely possible, absolutely within our grasp.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
We are locked into nothing.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
You know what we are locked into that we are programmable,
and that's how you know, that's our nature. Our nature
is if good programming goes in, good output comes out
on the other end, just like a computer program.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
We're not computer.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
DNA is very sophisticated programming.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
It can do majestic things, and we can help to
to bring different outcomes through it. It's a it's a
medium for being able to express. It's not something that
locks us into an expression permanently. And this is what
epigenetics has been teaching people and explaining science typically for

(36:01):
over fifty years. I would say close to seventy five years,
but certainly in the last fifty years. And the problem
is it's just not out there enough for people to
ingest on a larger basis. People don't have the grammar
to quote, you know, the movie The Big Lebowski, one
of my favorites, one of the greatest movies of all time.
They're not privy to the new shit man, you know.

(36:23):
That's what it all comes down to, is they haven't
studied the new science that explains why and how the
oldest so called science is not correct. And it's sad
because people get latched onto that. And what that brings
forward into the mind of those people is there's nothing
we can do. We're just fixed to our programming and

(36:46):
we can't change that. We can't change the outcome. And
that's an absolute bullshit lie. It is a complete lie.
Is one of the biggest deceptions ever given to us
by the social engineers who want us to think like that.
So these are the main cruxes of my entire body
of work, and I'll go anywhere that you want exploring

(37:08):
any parts.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Of those or components of that work. Next, anything you
want to talk about.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Well, I mean, I'll make some observations.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
First here in Archaics, we we don't take Satanism seriously
for the same reason you don't. It's that it is,
it is, it's the it's the opposite of something else
that is equally untrue, which in Archaics we have. We
have dissected the entire Christian Christian movement from its inception,

(37:35):
since it morphed under the under the Roman auspices, from
Mithraism and many other of the solar attachments and became
over a five hundred year period a literary masterpiece was
literally literally turned into a historical event. So, uh, we
understand that Satanism is real in what you're talking about

(37:56):
as a movement.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
A troll mechanism, but as.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Far as the horntail wings and satan, yeah, we're not
buying it here either.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
And so we're on the same page on that.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I'm impressed that you're a fan of Arthur Schopenhauer because
you quoted you twice in different videos.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
So and also that.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
One of my messages in Archaics to my own community
is something that you said a little bit differently, but
you said this, I'm gonna quote you. You said, the truth
is often the exact opposite of what the collective believes.
And this is something we hold to be true in
our cakes as well. It's one of the fundamental tenets
of this research. Also, you said that one of the
most dangerous beliefs out there in the field today, and

(38:43):
a lot of people are pushing it. It's because they're
overwhelmed with so much information coming to the field. They
just shut down and they say, now, you said, the
biggest lie out there now is that.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
There is no truth.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
That's a beautiful statement, man, It's a beautiful because there
is truth. You can't find truth, Yes, there is.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Let me give an example real quick, and I'll let
you continue what I tell my community a lot that
says you can do mental exercises to understand that there
is truth.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
In the end, there is error.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
So the very fact that the sun comes up routinely
and we call that a day, means we have tapped
into a fundamental fundamental that is true for everybody. So
if I could throw a rock up into the sky
and we can all watch it fall down, we have
tapped into a truth because because if not one time
that rock went up and then just stopped in the
air before getting the ground.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
That's never happened.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
So if dogs are canine and cats are feline, and
if if I shoot myself in the foot with a
pellic gun, I'm gonna it's gonna hurt. These are fundamentals
and they're true for all of us. Therefore, if anything
is true, then that means many other things that are
not easily recognizable or equally true. We just have to
isolate them.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Beautifully said.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Beautifully said, And I love the elegance of the simplicity
in which that is worded.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Because A is A and B is B. It's very simple,
objective truth exists. Uh.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
The The issue is when the ego and the mind
begin inventing things that they either want to be true
or refuse to recognize what is true. And that's where
the mind can get us into trouble. Uh.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
And going back to one of the things you.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Began touching on is, yes, the ridiculousness of both religious
beliefs and if you want to you know group the
type of Satanism that believes in that anti god character
slash deity.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Uh, It's it's very childish.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
And cartoonish, but there is a reality of what real
Satanism is in the world. And again, you could call
it other names. You don't have to call it Satanism.
I would say it could be called rampant egotism.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Uh. I would say it could be called.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
The apotheosis of the ego would be another name I
would call this religion. You could call it embracing adversarialism
when it comes to nature and wanting to turn nature
on its head and upside down.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
So it's just a label.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Satanism is a label that many Satanists will give their
ideology to liken it to the rebellious anti God, anti
Christ figure in Biblical scriptures.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
They like the association because.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
They don't want to obey the laws of the Creator.
They want to make their own hell and rule it.
That's ultimately what they are attempting to do here on earth.
And people have to understand that this is simply an
ideological way of viewing the world and behaving in it.

(42:02):
So I'll just repeat that one time, Satanism is an
ideological way of viewing our world and behaving within it.
And the next thing I would say about Satanism, it
is the world religion. This is the world religion of
what people have described as the New world Order.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
This is the world religion. It is.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Essentially the overarching belief system that will put people into
a state of slavery. And most people who do ascribe
to this religion, who do actually live it in their lives,
do not even know that they are living it. They
don't know that they're believing in this religion. They don't
know that they're living this religion through their behaviors. So

(42:50):
that begs the question is what is the belief system
of Satanism? What are the actual ideological tenets? And they
are first and foremost. The ego is essentially the god
of this religion, So I am the only person who matters.
You could word it like that, and by extension, because

(43:10):
they might be of benefit to me, Me and my
loved ones, me and my own they matter somewhat, perhaps
to a lesser extent than my ego does. But that's
basically it. I'm the god of my universe. Me and
my own are all that really matter. If that's happening
to somebody else, I couldn't really give a crap.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
I'm not going to get involved.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
I don't really care if injustice happens all over the
world as long as I'm not directly affected by it
in the moment and i still have my.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Creature comforts and pleasure. That's the first.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Mindset of what Satanism is in the actual real world.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
It's literally the mindset of everybody that we say sold.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Out pure selfishness, absolutely only caring about what you're getting,
only caring about your paycheck, only caring about your creature comforts.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Now, if we apply this ideology to the.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Bulk of the human species, what percentage would most people
think that's really how they think? I would say it's
not even a matter of guessing who does think like that,
it'd be guessing like who doesn't think like that? Most
people think like that on a day to day basis.
All they care about every single day, and all their

(44:28):
thoughts are primarily concerned with from the minute that they
wake up until the minute that they go to sleep
at night is me me me, me, me, me, me
me me, And.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
All that's gonna get us.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
That first overarching tenant is just going to get us
nothing but slavery. It can only get us slavery by law,
by law in the universe, the law of the Creator
saw to it. That's what natural law ultimately is saw
to it that if we behave purely selfishly and only
care about our own creature comforts, we are guaranteed to

(45:02):
become enslaved over time in the aggregate. That doesn't mean
certain individuals wouldn't lead different, somewhat different lives than that,
but the whole bulk of the population, allowing that mindset
to fester within it and continue and not be challenged
and not be changed, the whole population of the earth

(45:24):
is ultimately going to become a slave population. That's why
Satanism is Actually they market it as a religion for
the masters of the world because they try to tell
people you'll be insulated from that and you'll be ruling
over all the other slaves that we give this mindset too,
that we inculcate into a lower level of our own religion,

(45:44):
but you'll rule over them. And it's like, that's the
whole deception.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
It's the exact same package that is presented by the rabbis,
and the talment for the.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Jewish people as well, is the exact same template.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
That's it because it's a form of Satanist you know,
Satanism is the world religion, and everything is just underneath it.
It's the umbrella religion. That's why the Satanists themselves. When
I was involved with the higher level Satanists, you know,
there were some like just like myself, like Leaveyan Satanists
at the low ranks. The people at the top of

(46:19):
even these grottos that I attended, they didn't call it Satanism.
They called it the Old religion. That was their name
for this mindset, the old religion. And when they say old,
they mean ancient. They mean this has been the religion
of humanity since humanity has existed.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
That's why they call it the old religion.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
You will find you will find the term in the
Old Time in the writings of Hinary Cornelis Agrippa, in
Francis Barrett, you know, Albert Magus, who wrote the occult
Opendium Compendium. They make many references to the ancient ones
in the Old Time. Also in the uh Necronomicon, which

(47:05):
is in that mixture of fantasy and fact, because a
lot of the Mecronomicon is actually cuneiformed translations of the
Anima eligon Atra Hassis text, and then somebody added added
some bs in there.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
But still it's a yeah. I've seen that.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
There's even a book in a book tree in San
Diego that publishes the guy that we were talking about earlier,
Jordan Maxwell. There is a book in book tree. It's
the title of that book is uh the Old Religion. Yes, yeah,
it's a book tree. Isn't a cult, it's basically in
a cult bookstore. They publish all my stuff too. But
it's a it's pretty interesting, pretty interesting, uh, what you're

(47:40):
talking about, because there's a lot of crossover. I was
not aware that all those references though we're talking about Satanism.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Essentially, that is the ideology, and if you explored further,
you will you will be able to condense the tenets
or the underlying, uh overarching ideology, the second tenet that
comes out of the Satanic mindset, which, again, if you're

(48:07):
realizing how deep the first one is, how profound that
first one is, it's pure egotism run rampant and elevated
to godhood, which is what apotheosis means. You're going to
realize what's essentially going to come out next makes perfect
sense because a being that believes that their God believes

(48:29):
that they get to invent what right and wrong are.
They don't have to discover what right and wrong are
objectively in nature. They could just make it up. And
that's called moral relativism. Moral relativism is the first fruit
that comes out of the first tenet of Satanism, which

(48:50):
is pure egotism. And if we recognize most of the
world is trapped in pure egotism, then we will recognize
how prevalent moral relative is all around us. And that's
the kind of ideology whereby people will say there's no
right and wrong, there's no real right and wrong. It's
just people make that up. They get to decide what

(49:11):
that is. And right is what's right for them, and
wrong is what's wrong for them. And this person's morality
can be completely different from this person's morality. I'm not
talking about people's perception of morality. Yes, that's relative and
controlled by perceptions. I'm talking about actual morality, meaning what
is the actual, in nature, objective and real difference between

(49:38):
right behavior versus wrong behavior. That delineation and distinction exists
in nature. It is not a constructural idea because harm
is conducted in the physical domain and rights are behaviors

(49:58):
which do not initiate harm. So a right exists in
the natural world that is not a constructural idea. Harm
is demonstrable objectively. A being is hurt, diminished physically, you know,
or through their possessions, stolen from defrauded, from deceived, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
This is objective harm. So I have.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
I basically get into arguments with religionists about things like
this because they want to think that the things that
their religion told them is what constitutes morality, like oh,
don't be promiscuous sexually, or don't live with somebody before marriage,

(50:49):
or don't smoke cigarettes, or don't drink alcohol, or don't
you know whatever, you know, work on Sabbath, you know,
And it's just it's it's so ridiculous what people believe.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Wrongdoings are right. Wrongdoings are sevenfold.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
These are the real seven deadly sins, and that I
talk about in my work, as opposed to this traditional
religion's seven deadly sins, which are, let's see if I
could rattle them off, pride, gluttony, sloth, lust, anger, jealousy, greed.
That's what Christianity would have us believe are sins our

(51:29):
sinful harmful behaviors, Okay, and none of these are sins,
so pride doesn't do something to another person. Anybody can
argue these could be stepping stones to behavior, but we're
not talking about them as stepping stones to behavior. We're
talking about the engagement of that dynamic good distinction.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
I understand that's what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yes, so pride is not a behavior that you do
to somebody else, right, it's just. And secondly, pride, it
is not always not good. It's sometimes it's very good.
I'm very proud of my work. I'm exceedingly proud of
my work. I'm looking at the work that I'm doing
on shadow Work right now, Like I had my slides

(52:13):
up on this very screen that I'm talking to you
through right now before the show started, and I'm looking
at some of the slides and I'm like, this is
incredibly powerful. This is potentially life transformative. And I'm like,
I put a lot a lot of work into this.
I put so much years of research, years not weeks,

(52:37):
not months, years, and I'm trying to craft every slide
exactly how I wanted to look and have the exact
wording on it that will be the most concise and
the most powerful.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
And you know, what.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I'm looking at my slides and I'm like, I got
a tear welling up in my eyes. I'm like, this
is unbelievably strong material, and I can't wait to deliver it.
I can't wait until the whole process is over and
it's in the books, because it's so much work to do.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
But I'm proud of that. That's not a.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Bad So what Mark is talking about. The link is
in the description box for that project. You want to
check it out. I think it even has the word
shadow work in the link right.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yes, it's called shadow Work Seminar. Mark Passio's shadow Work Seminars.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
In the description box.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
So he's got a lot, he's got a lot of
projects he's involved in.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
That's coming up November twenty second of this year. It's
going to be on telegram. It's an all day event.
I'm speaking, I'll be My actual presentation will at least
run eight hours.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Oh, this is a space on telegram.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
It's a group on telegram that when you enroll and
make an enrollment donation, you'd be admitted to the group
on telegram. It's a private group and I'll be teaching
this seminar on telegram.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
The whole day.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
There will be breaks for lunch and dinner, but it
will basically be going from ten am to ten pm.
And it's going to be extensive, very deep dive into
psychological and spiritual work upon the self, which is what's
required more than anything else, that we're going to solve
humanity's current condition of slavery. So you know, uh, you

(54:16):
know we're talking about you know, the real seven deadly sins,
right versus the religious ones Pride, gluttony, sloth, lost, anger, jealousy, greed,
religion's deadly sins, false religions deadly sins.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
I do see your point. I want to interject quick,
I see your point.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
I mean when it comes to lust, you know, I'm
not going to feel guilty because I see some female
that that just you know, uh, just causes me to pause,
like damn, you know I'm guilty about that.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
But we're blood and men, man.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I mean, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
It's the pride too. I mean, I can see why
the church is a control mechanism. Would would not want
you prideful because a prideful soul is one that's very
difficult to control.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Right, Yeah, I can say I understand.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
I never really looked at it from that perspective that
said the seven deadly sins, I haven't, and I see
that the catalyst here for the transmutation of something that
is insubstantial to something that actually causes harm is activity.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Is what is what you do?

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Correct very. It's very clear you you have you.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Have a logically structured mind. It's very very easy to tell.
So that's that's a good, a nice refreshing thing. And
uh you know that that's what I'm trying to help
inspire in other people.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
And I know you are too, so you know, uh,
you have you have.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
A beautiful catch phrase.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I mean you, it's all over your channel and you
say it, and it's even written in many many different places,
ending slavery, one mind at a time, so that.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
All many of us can do, many of us can
try to do. Yep.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
It's just very difficult in between your catch phrases and
in between your because I noticed that your conclusion was,
uh you, I got a note right here that I
made based off one of your presentations. It said, you
were really frustrating in the video. You're really frustrated about
the stupidity of humanity. And you even you even said
something like, I've been telling you this for eighteen years,

(56:14):
you're gonna ask me this question again. So so you said,
why are we not accomplishing this task of ending the
human condition of slavery? The only way of getting free
is aligning our our objective with natural law and objective morality.
And then what really, what really impressed me was because

(56:34):
this is a long this is a long video here,
and I just paraphrased it, but the conclusion of the
video was the solution can only be spiritual.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
So that's all I mean, coming from coming from your background,
this is that's a profound statement, because that's that's a
metam psychosis right there. To go from Satanism and something
that is egoic and then conclude that the only way
that we're going to change humanity it's going to have
to be done spiritually. There's nothing we can do in

(57:04):
the physical world. Like, that's pretty profound.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
I became obsessed with studying the Light Occult after I
saw what the Dark Occult was doing. When I saw
that little peak that I got behind the curtain, it
lit a fire under my ass. And I'm not not
too macho or proud to say I became very scared,

(57:31):
you know, when I saw who was really running things
in the shadows behind the scenes. It frightened the hell
out of me, and it sparred. It spurred me to
really going deep in the other direction, on a deep
dive into real positive light, occultism and true morality. And

(57:53):
I just devoured everything I could on the topic, from
every tradition imaginable. I took an integral approach and just
studied everything that I could get my hands on, so
to you know, go back to like the idea of
real morality versus religious delusional morality that gets people to think,

(58:13):
let's throw all morality out because these people are crazy,
and that's what religion is there to do to get
people thinking like that, so we dismiss all morality. You know,
all of the religious forms of quote sin are thought forms,
like you said lust right, Like you know what red
blood and Mail hasn't felt the dynamic of lust build

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up in them if they see a very beautiful woman, right,
I mean all of us have right.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
That doesn't mean I'm going to go and rape a woman.
You know.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
A person that to meet up said to me, oh,
lost is absolutely a sin because it could lead to rape.
I'm like, have you ever lost it? And the person goes, yeah,
I'm not gonna lie, of course I have. And I said,
have you ever raped anybody? Man? And he goes like
when silent because he knows he's in a complete logical fallacy.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
He knows his argument doesn't hold any water.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
And I'm like, you need to think about that more
than like thirty seconds. Either that means you know your
argument is dead or you really have raped somebody, which
either one makes you a piece of crap.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
So which is it? And I literally said that to him.
You know, it's like, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
It's a logical loophole. People can't get around.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Behavior, sins or behaviors.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
So listen to the real seven deadly sins and listen
to the qualitative difference.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
This is what I always tell people to do.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
To listen to the difference between these two sets of
data pride, gluttony, sloth, lust, anger, jealousy, greed versus the
real seven deadly sins murder, assault, pp theft, trespass, coercion,

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and deception. They're the real seven deadly sins. Those are
all behaviors conducted upon others. You can't do those behaviors.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
They're all actions as opposed to emotions.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Actions upon others, even right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
That's what constitutes transgression against natural law.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Those are the wrongdoings.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Anything that is not part of those wrongdoings is reserved
as a right because it is a behavior that does
not initiate harm to others. Those seven behaviors are the
ways that you can initiate harm to another being, to
another sentient being. So natural law comes down to one
simple axiomatic law slash premise, do not do. Do not

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initiate harmful behaviors against other sentient beings. Don't do those
seven things to other people. And we can condense it
even more, believe it or not, it's even more condensable
into something shorter when you realize that all of the
harmful behaviors that we can initiate are forms of theft

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in and of themselves. You can boil natural law down
to one commandment or one law. Don't steal, because murder
is the theft of life, which is not rightfully yours
to take. And we're not talking about killing in self defense,
which is a right. We're talking about murdering somebody. That's
why there's different words for that. It's not the same idea,

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it's not the same concept. It's not the same behavior. Assault,
thieving or taking without right, bodily wellbeing, rape thieving, we're
taking someone else's free will, sexual association.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
You can go on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Theft is just the stealing of property that isn't yours.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
How do you associate theft with the ego?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Because people believe that they have a right to take
that which isn't theirs, just based on what immediate need
that they have, and they're diminishing someone else through property,
and that place is their ego above somebody else. They're saying,
I'm more important than you. I'm taking this from you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
You know, it's all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
All of those behaviors are what real Satanism is. And
it becomes even worse because then they're incentivized. People are
incentivized to do these things through money, through their jobs.
This is what all order followers are. People who have
been incentivized to conduct harm upon other things and decimate
their rights because they're being offered a paycheck. This is

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why people ask me, how do the controllers get away
with this karmicle? If you believe in natural law and
I say, who are they doing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
The behaviors too?

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Do you think the top level social engineers are doing
these behaviors to other people or they whispering in someone's
ear and giving them occultic talismanic talismanic pieces of paper
that they call money to influence their behavior. They're not
doing these behaviors. They're influencing order followers to do these behaviors.

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So this is what people have to understand, is it
is our behavior that goes out into the world and
creates a ripple effect through natural law that brings us
the consequences of those behaviors to us. And in the aggregate,
if we're truly good, we're going to truly become free.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
And in the aggregate, if we've been truly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Immoral and remain that way, we're going to go into
deeper and deeper bondage and slavery and ultimately, l You.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Have really exemplified what when the apostles as to Jesus.
And remember I am of the opinion based off a
lifetime of acquiring data. I have extensive data sections that
since published on the basically the creation of the entire
Christian Gospel narrative. So it's all I'm speaking from the

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perspective of one of the greatest literary masterpieces ever. And
in that text, one of the apostles asked Jesus, well,
I mean, what do you I mean, you tell us
all these things and all that, What is the what
is the great takeaway here?

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
What is the sum total?

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
And Jesus basically told them you can sum everything up
and just do unto others as you would have them
do unto you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
The Golden rule. And I look at that in the
apophatic sense. So a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
People who study scripture and uh, you know, if you
want to call it simply God's law revealed unto us,
they take a couple of different approaches, and one is
the cataphatic approach, and that's where the word catechism comes from.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Uh. This is describing what something is directly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Uh this is a gray T shirt, Uh, you know,
with a print on it. You know. The cataphatic approach is, uh,
simple statements about what something is. The thing that a
lot of people miss or skip over is the apophatic
approach to studying either scripture or just general characteristics of things.

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And this comes from the Greek apothesis, which means to
say no or to not say, to stay silent and
not speak. So apothesis is basically describing what something is.
By describing what it is not, it is saying the
negative about the thing. This is not orange in color,

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This is not a tool. It is a piece of clothing. Right,
So if you strip all the things that are not
something away, you're left with the essence of what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
That's the apophatic approach.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Okay, I didn't even know that. I didn't even know
that word mark. I didn't apothetic. You just educated me
on that. But one of the research tenets of archaics
is is to remove every single item that does not
belong to a paradigm and then see what remains behind.
We kind of use a Sherlock Holmes author Coryan Doyle
approaches in our research.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Whatever remains must be the truth, and that is the
apathetic approach.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
So I take the apophatic approach.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
To the golden rule through my work in natural law,
and that means don't do to others that which you
do not want others to do to you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Then the ambiguity.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Of it all goes away, right, because people want different things,
but we all don't want the same thing. We don't
want to be killed, we don't want to be controlled,
we don't want to be defrauded, we don't want to
be stolen from You know, it becomes a lot simpler
to understand what behaviors not to do because they are
the wrongdoings that transgress against another individual's natural law rights

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in nature. And that's, you know, the apathetic variant of
the golden rule. And you know, this is all I've
been trying to explain to people regarding what real morality is.
And if we just do see people will say, well,
you're not giving me a list of things to do.
This isn't about following orders like a trained monkey and

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being given a list of things to do.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
This is about what we have to stop doing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
You know, freedom is going to come as a direct
result of ceasing and desisting in the harmful behaviors that
are transgressions against natural law. We stop doing those behaviors
and will become a moral population, and we will have
freedom as a direct organic result of not engaging in
those direct harmful behaviors against others. That's how natural law

(01:07:50):
functions to bring us the direct consequences of our free
will decisions that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
We enact into behavior.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
Wow, So you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Made a quote not of this, not of this presentation,
but you did another presentation that really stood out. After
about a five minute rant as to why, as to
why somebody needed to shut the hell up because they
didn't know what they were talking about, you concluded with
and I quote, I am charged by creation to tell

(01:08:23):
the truth regarding governing dynamics of our freedom. And then
that was that was your mic drop. So I had
to I had to write that down. Man, you got
some good ones. I mean, I got that's I'm pretty
much known for that too. Man, I do once in
a while.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
I really in my pursuit and study of light occultism, uh,
the positive knowledge within the occult sciences, one of the
things that I very deeply and profoundly studied was the
quieting of the mind because there's so many things competing
with our attention, and we become distracted and unfocused, and

(01:09:01):
we become ineffective because we're constantly being pulled in a
million different directions, not just in the physical world, but
in our mental space. And when I started really studying
occult forms of meditation, and they are what you would
group and categorize under the umbrella term transcendental meditation because

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they help us transcend certain mental states and blocks. And
this is something I'm going to of course talk about
in my shadow work seminar. When I really started studying
the occult forms of transcendental meditation, they were explaining it
in a much more deeper and profound way because they
were explaining every obtrusive thought takes you off mission because

(01:09:47):
you're not really listening to what the universe is asking
of you and telling you what your mission actually is.
That voice does not yell, it does not speak above
a whisper. It is omnipro and it's always speaking. If
you can hear it, if you can really quiet your
own mind, you will hear what you need to do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Your dharma will be revealed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
And that's an Eastern concept, but it's brought into the
Western mystery traditions through the concept of your true will,
which of course comes through Thelema, the Thalamic tradition. So
you know, transcendental meditation really helped me to understand there's
a million competing thoughts in my mental space, and if

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I learn how to silence those competing thoughts, I will
get the message that I need to get. And when
I learn how to do that and I could stop
my thoughts practically at will, that voice became very clear
and it charged me with that mission. And that's why
thank you for reading that quote. That's it's a profound

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one and it's something that I take very seriously. And
I've had some traumatic stuff going over the last few
years in my life, and I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
I listened to one of your videos too, where you're
explaining what why you were gone for four weeks, about you,
about your father and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Sure, So I'm trying to I'm trying to make a
renewed commitment to this work at this time because I
think I have more and very important material to contribute.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
So uh, I'm getting a little emotional, but I don't
want to.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
I don't want to really burn this to the ground.
I wanted to continue and I have some powerful stuff coming.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
I promise people that's awesome. I want to.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
I want to talk about you. Just you just mentioned
something about it's always a small voice. It's not it's
not gonna yell at you. Well, Uh, I'm kind of
a student of p D. Alspinsky, and he was a
student of Gurjief.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Yes, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
I've never really, I've never I've never really resonated with Gurujief.
But Alspinsky's work, man is it lights a fire in
my soul when I read it. And and after Alspinsky,
I went into the writings of Ishakmantov Stalking the Wild Pendulum,
a brief tour of higher consciousness.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
And what this man did is published two books and
gave demonstrations that information that we really need is already
accessible to us. It's in the field.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
And if you just sit still and you just and
just meditate and just force the world out and all
its concerns, whatever issues that you need to cogitate upon,
whatever information you need to bring into your awareness, it's
already there. It's in the information saturated saturates us everywhere.
And that what you're looking for is only going to

(01:12:48):
be received if you quit broadcasting. So if you just
quit broadcasting and be the receiver and shut everything out,
what you're looking for is going to come to you.
It's going to all the answers to the questions, whatever, whatever,
whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
So I just had that's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
A profound a profound idea, very well stated, absolutely true, and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
I love that Ishak Bentev is awesome. I think you
passed away now, but I've got two of his books.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
It's absolutely profound, and if people just practiced it even
a little bit in their lives, they would see how
much will come through that field of intelligence and that
field of creativity.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
It's always there and always around us. As you said,
so I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Have another question. Sure I didn't quite understand what you
were talking about, but it was a term that I
had never heard before, the unbegun, And it was an
occult term you were trying to you were describing, but
you weren't. It wasn't the subject matter of your video,
so it was just a it was just an aside.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
So, the unbegun is a term that dark occultists that
I have heard them apply to the body of humanity.
They call people the unbegun because they are not initiated
into knowledge and into care. They are people who haven't
started and they're just sitting before the starting line, going nowhere.

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So they literally refer to them in their lives as unbegun.
And this is one of the ways that they justify
a lot of the control mechanisms and things that they
do to people. They basically say they're not really people,
they're deadened consciousness. Another term that they use for the
average individual in dark occult circles is the dead.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
If you can even believe that, they call you're dead.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Oh, we haven't talked about it because this is an
opportunity for you to share who you are and what
you do with my community.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
But my community is already familiar.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
I mean, I'm a simulationist, and there's many reasons why
I believe that we live in some type of very
advanced spiritual simulation. And one of the hallmarks of that
is that we're immortal passing through an experience.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
But that doesn't mean we're all immortal souls.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
There are NPCs in the field too, and some of
them are recognizable as n PCs, but this would be
game parlance like non player character from avatars with no souls,
and they're just there to populate a world, to make
it more believable, or to create distractions and stuff like that.
But anyway, I'm just I digress. It's it's what you're
describing the living dead. This is also this is also

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a tenant of the archaics paradigm.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
I'd like to add as an addendum to that, I'll
credit Michael Tassarion for talking about that we are here
to develop a soul, and that may come from other
you know, philosophers and traditions, but.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
Are absolutely agreement about that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Yeah, perhaps we're not even here with a soul, we're
here to build one. And these quote unquote NPCs that
people often talk about in simulation theory are just people
who have not done any of work to even begin
developing a soul. And it shows so obviously to people
who have done a lot of work to develop the soul.

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So I don't necessarily look at it like a physical simulation,
but we are in would amount to a spiritual simulation,
and our spirit is being suppressed and repressed, and our
mental capacities and our potentiality is being suppressed and repressed

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in that constructural worldview in which many people are held.
This is why you know shadow work is so important.
Shadow Work is all about delving into the underdeveloped or
undeveloped aspects of the self, or the parts of the
self that are very what you would call negative or

(01:16:49):
that you don't like about yourself and asking yourself very
very difficult questions about your own responsibilities and your own involvements,
and not making excuses for things that you haven't developed
or worked on to the extent that perhaps you should have. So,
you know, a lot of people don't want to hear that.
I describe my later work as forced shadow work, because

(01:17:13):
I'm constantly pushing right in somebody's face all the negative
and dark aspects of their own characteristics and personalities that
they don't want to confront. And that's very uncomfortable, and
people don't like it when people do that to them.
They're like, Oh, I want to remain in my comfort.
I want to remain in my bubble. I don't want that.
I don't want those dark and negative, perhaps repressed things

(01:17:35):
within my own psyche shown to me like a reflection
in a mirror. So that's why I always hear people
say I like old Passio, I don't like new Passio. Well,
once again, if you say that, I know you don't
understand my work at all, because the new stuff is
the most directly confrontational with the self, and that's what's
going to get us out of this mess. It's very

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important to study all of things symbolism, secret societies, uh,
control methods, all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
All of that's important.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Every everything that is brought to the table is going
to help us piece together things and understand our world
for the better. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
But you know, I do notice I want to interject
with the sure but the fact that in one of
your presentations you were saying that that uh, that says, Look, guys,
if you're gonna come to my channel and you're just
gonna watch the latest presentations, you're just wasting your time,
he says. He says, You're gonna get a little value
and then you're gonna go, it says, But if you
really want to get to go deep into this and

(01:18:38):
for for major spiritual change, my deepest philosophical work is
at the beginning.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
And once you have that foundation, everything else is gonna follow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Because I spoke about consciousness and what our real work
here is to do is not to be comfort comfortable,
not not not to just gain pleasure, you know, it's
to learn and grow as a being. That's what building
the soul is ultimately all about. If we're not doing that,

(01:19:07):
we're not we're not leading a purpose driven life if
we're not doing that. And also to lead a purpose
driven life. We have to get involved with the effort
for true freedom. We have to understand true freedom, we
have to stand for true freedom, and we have to
get involved on the battlefield for true freedom.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
It's a People are really terrible at time management. Time
management is one of my specialties. My community knows it.
I'm involved in a lot. I'm doing a lot. I
got three different communities. I do videos for I'm but
people don't realize how much time they waste watching Cagney
and Lacy old episodes of Magnum p I watching watching

(01:19:45):
twilight Zone. It's the second time you've been through the
series since the nineteen sixties, you know what I mean,
when you could actually be watching, you know, listening to
someone who has something profound to say and broadening your horizons.
It's a it's yeah, it's I can't believe I even
pulled that out of my head.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Cagn But uh, you know what I mean. You get
the Jews.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Absolutely, and this is why I talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
And people ignore it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
A lot of people have not gathered the grammar, which
is the first step of the Trivium process. The Trivium
method of discovery and learning is ancient. People will debate
where it originated, but I would say it goes back
into Antediluvian times, and it is about a threefold method. Again,

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the word trivium literally comes from Latin tres tria means
three and via means road or way or path, and
that comes down to us into the English word via,
which means.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
By way of or method.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
So it is a threefold methodology for truth discovery. It's
the real scientific process.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
What you're describing is is old he the old her
medical literature, Hermes, trismegistus. It's a it was also the same,
the same root words, the try, the three teachings.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
That's why he's thrice great Hermes. He's great in his thoughts,
he's great in his emotions, and he's great in his actions,
in his behaf.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
You know what, I could drink a beer with you, man,
There's no doubt we will.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
At some point.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
We will. Yes, let's do. Let's commit to doing that.
I'm in so.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
You know, the the trivium is what people have to
learn because.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
It emphasizes the role of knowledge, but it helps us
to even go beyond knowledge, because knowledge is the first
step of the trivium, right, So there's there's a couple
of ways.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Of looking at the trivium.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
The ancient way was knowledge, understanding and wisdom, and knowledge
is only the first part. That's gathering the grammar, all
the building blocks that you need for knowledge.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
That's having the data set.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
This is why I get angry and a little shouty
sometimes with people who don't have the data set right,
and they want to pretend like they have the data set,
Like I see the considerable library behind you. I'm sure
that's not all that you possess. One day, I'll yeah,

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one day, I'll take my camera into my library for
people and show them at Actually, te Snyder from One
Great Work Network is actually putting together a documentary about me,
which is I know he did, is did and is
doing a phenomenal work and effort. I can tell by
his time with me how painstaking and exacting he is.

(01:22:44):
He's a total consumt of professional when it comes to
how he does things.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
And I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
You know, no rush, because I'm sure he's still very
early on in the editing process, but he's doing this
for many content creators in the truth community, and I
think This is a great undertaking because it shows what
the content creator's effort is and what they go through
and even their emotional states, etc. And that's going to

(01:23:11):
be forthcoming from from Tease in the future. But yeah,
it's all about you know, like like I was saying, like,
you know, I'll show people my library. That's he filmed
it obviously and is going to be showing that in
the documentary. But I get upset with people when I
know they don't have the grammar and they're trying to

(01:23:31):
speak like they're an expert on the topic. Get the
grammar first, and then understand it. That's the second part
of the trivium. Is you put the grammar through logical
transforms so that you can weed out logical inconsistencies in
the data set, and that is then coming to an
accurate understanding about what the data means.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Just having the data.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Doesn't mean that you really understand the implications of the data.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
So that's the second part of the trivium.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
You have to have a logically constructed mindset and approach
to weeding out things that are not logically consistent. Once
you do that, you're going to have a grasp of
the of the data set of the knowledge that's understanding.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
There's just no conclusion without a premise that's correct.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
And then the third set, the third stage.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Is wisdom, and people think, wisdom, Oh, how's that different
from knowledge? Isn't that just how much you know? No,
Wisdom is not how much you know. Wisdom is whether
or not you've done the right actions with what you
have come to know and understand.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Wisdom is right action in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
For those to become truly wise, you have to actually
act in the world in a moral capacity based on
your knowledge and your understanding of that knowledge. So that's
the trivium, you know, and it's been called it's been
worded in different in the classical liberal arts education methodology
that was developed around the time of the Greek and

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Roman Empire, you know, it would be called grammar, logic,
and rhetoric. So it's gathering the building blocks, coming to
a logical understanding of what those building blocks of data mean.
And then rhetoric is what you're gonna do with it
out into the world. How are you gonna put it
out there into the world, So it's understood by more people.

(01:25:27):
In the modern form of the trivium, which I talk
about it as in the computer allegory.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
I'm a techie. I'm a tech guy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Not gonna lie, you know, never apply the word nerd
to me, because definitely I'm not that. But you could
call me a tech geek if you want. I used
to do it professionally. You know, I did troubleshooting professionally
as a living I know my way around computers. I
know how to fix computers. I know my way around software.

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So and again I teach this in how to Become
the True Media. So you know, I gave the trivia
a computer allegorical wording, you could say, or descriptive wording.
It's input processing and output. Input is gathering hall of
the information, processing the information that's logic or understanding, and

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then outputting it into the world, just like a computer
outputs something onto the screen, onto a drive, onto the internet.
It's it's the whole process of discovery, understanding, and then
what are you going to do with it in the world.
And that's what's going to determine what's ultimately whether it's
ultimately going to make you wise or not.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Yeah, I look, your definition of wisdom is point on.
That's exactly what we say here in our cakes. Wisdom
is the application of knowledge. It's it's a has nothing
to do with the information you possess. It has everything
to do with how you use it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Correct, Now, that's a great conversation. And so I'm really
I'm I'm glad my community dropped her name. I did
a video about a month ago where I asked my community.
I said, listen, we're looking for quality content. We're looking
for people that have a message and they have a
fire behind that message, and I would like you to
drop their.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
Names in the in the chat and in the in
the comments section.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Well, my community, they don't pay attention, so they they
email bombed me. They put your name in the in
the live chat, they put your name in a comments section,
and then they email bombed the shit out of me.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
I'm glad to hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
I'm glad to hear that people haven't completely forgotten about me.
But that's nice that they that they would drop my
name there and ask for me to come on. And
I appreciate you extending that offer to me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Yeah, it's it's a I've done.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
I've been about three hundred podcasts, I've been a guest,
I've been a guest on a lot of people's you know,
over the last five years. And I kind of exploded
about three years ago. But for the first two years
I was on YouTube, I didn't have anybody. I had
three hundred and something videos and didn't even have a
thousand subs.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
Wow, I didn't give up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
But because I wasn't just putting information out. I had
a whole I had a whole lifetime of writings, articles, books,
I've had published and all that. So it was it
wasn't really a lot of work. I was just putting
information out that I already knew, already had and but
then overnight it's just just I just started.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
It hadn't stopped. I've been growing exponentially.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
That's what will happen if we really apply ourselves and
don't give up. I mean, not giving up is one
of the greatest lessons that people can learn. And it
doesn't mean you're always going to succeed. It means that
even if you fail, you don't stop. Uh. This is
one of the tenets that I teach in how to
become the true media. You know, never ever give up,
be tenacious, uh, be persistent. You know, persistence will ultimately

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show through. And uh, you have to be consistent too.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
I feel like my my message has been consistent from
the very beginning, and I just keep pressing for with
that in many different ways, you know, to tie this
into something that we were just talking about, the Dark
Occult calling people the unbegun and the dead terrible names

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to apply to human beings, but you know, in some
ways they're accurate for how people behave and they're they're
not really alive and building their their purpose, and they
give up very easily. You know, this whole thing is
about starting and trying.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
You know, it's like if you if.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
You just get it to that level, you're ninety nine
percent ahead of the rest of the people.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
You know, this is what real occult initiation is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
And in my studies of the occult again, after I
left the Dark Occult and became obsessive to study what
I had just you know, stumbled into, practically, I started
studying what is real occult initiation And it's a fivefold process.
And you know, this is about first and foremost, the

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very first tenant, the very first axiom principle. However you
want to word it, I would word it as a maxim. Right,
the very first occult maxim is stop lying, especially to yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
So this is brought forth.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Shakespeare exactly who was probably the occultist, Francis Bacon of
the Rosicrucion work man.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
That's my man.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
You know what I'm thinking, so much criticism for telling
people that you just don't understand. Francis Bacon is actually
Francis Tudor, and his mama was letting people up in
the up in the queen's bed and she didn't want
to get caught.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
More likely than not, that's who Shakespeare was, or it
was perhaps a few people within the Rosicrucian order at
the time who decided that they were going to write
profound allegorical play to get certain messages out to their
local population asolutely. And they it stayed throughout human history

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and is still here with us, and they do teach
profound lessons. So you know, that's the very first maxim
of occultism, right, don't lie to yourself. This above all,
to thine own self be true. And see that's just
like the parlance of the time when when Shakespeare is
saying that, what he's really saying is the very first

(01:31:30):
and primary principle is be honest with yourself, don't lie
to yourself. If he had said this, above all, to
thine own self be honest, then people would understand this
isn't about like quadrupling down and sticking to your guns
even if you're wrong, because you think that that's part
of your identity, and I'm going to be true to

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myself by sticking to this.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
That's not what Shakespeare was saying.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
That the maxim is this, above all, to thine own
self be honest, meaning if you can't be honest with yourself,
you can't be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
With anybody else either.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
And if you're not going to be honest with yourself,
you're more likely to buy into deception and deceit and
falsehood and nonsensical constructural ideas that aren't more.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
That is one of my ultimate catch phrases in archaics.
One who is properly informed is not easily deceived.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
There you go, Knowledge makes a man unfit to be
a slave, right, you know, it's all about that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
So that's the first tenant you know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Then you go off into other tenants that help you
to develop your course as you move forward in your
exploration of the occult and in teaching, you know what
people really need to understand and know and live in
their lives, so the other ones are stop dreaming.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
This means see the world as it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Don't try to see the world through rose colored glasses
just because that makes you feel more comfortable. That that
means you're in a state of dream, a dreamlike state,
you're sleepwalking. Don't just go through motions, you know, really
be focused and present and eliminate all the competing noise.

(01:33:16):
You learn how to do that, you're going to see
how effective you become.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
You really gain personal.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Effectiveness when you do that, and you eliminate this dream state,
this sleep walking state that we sometimes find ourselves in.
Then after that is learn how to think. And in
this occult maxim the trivium is basically being indirectly referenced.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
It's saying, stop being indoctrinated.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
You know, stop just grasping its straws and beliefs, you know,
really truly learn the truth discovery methodology, and then you'll
know how to think from a practical, real world perspective,
you know. And again, then you're not going to be
easily deceived, because if someone gives you a claim or

(01:34:06):
tells you data, you can put it through the transforms
of the trivium and then come to an accurate understanding
or say it's nonsense. Then you have one that's one
of the most important and that people give too little
importance too, and that is truly live in the present moment,
be present, don't be on autopilot. The NPCs that we

(01:34:31):
were talking about earlier, they're on autopilot right. You don't
want to be on autopilot like a robot. You want
to be fully present. Present moment awareness is one of
the hard ones for people to really get. In the
higher levels of the occult circles, they talk about present

(01:34:51):
moment awareness in conjunction with the occult principle of indiestractability.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
When you're fully present and you've learned how to truly.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Make your mind fully present with no distraction, then you
are going to be indestractable. That means no one's going
to be able to take you off your current work
or your long term mission. You're going to be fully
committed to that long term mission.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Say what you're saying right now is it's key. It's
a key component to Ishak Benov's conclusions.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
Is that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
The human that wants to become powerful enough to where
what they're doing actually affects the field and creates their
world for them is the human that can focus. Because
if you can focus on what you're trying to do
for just a couple of minutes and actually do whatever
it is you focused on, you've done more than ninety
nine percent of humanity. Because everybody's living in a reactive mindset,

(01:35:49):
and very people are being proactive, and they think that
every random thought that passes through their head is theirs.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
But informations in the field.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
So Ishak Benev says, all you got to do is, folks,
it's on something you want for two or three minutes
and then accomplishment. Accomplish it, ignoring all the distracting thoughts
that are trying to be invasive. And if you can
do this two or three times a day, then four
or five times a day and get better and better
at it, he says, you, you will absolutely create a
world for you that is insular and other people won't

(01:36:19):
understand how everything goes your way and and and nothing, nothing,
nothing ever bothers you, and it's like the.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
Whole world just moves out of your waist.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
So you can just freully pass through. Issha Bintov describes
all this and it's all about focus.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
Absolutely correct. And he was a student of Aspensky. You said, correct,
I believe he was.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
I am, yeah, I believe he cites it up pretty heavily.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
I like both Gerd Jeff and Ospensky, and I will
have to look more into his work.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
I have heard of him. I'm I'm not turned off
by Gurjeef's material. I'm I'm a writer and I was
a writer long before I was ever on YouTube. And
it's writing style, it's Alspinsky's writing style is very different
than Jeef.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
I'm more enamored with.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
It, absolutely so. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
I mean that is what if people learned how to
do that quieting of the mind and get into that
state of indistractability, they would become so much more powerful
and effective in what they do in the world. Uh.
And if that's turned toward true good, there's no stopping
someone and there's no telling what they can go on

(01:37:32):
to do. In the occult tradition of freemasonry, uh, the
lodge is an allegory for the human mind, and tiling
the lodge meaning placing the tiler at the outside door
of the lodge and making sure that the tiler the
tiler does not allow anyone into the lodge is an

(01:37:52):
allegory for not allowing intrusive thoughts into the mind.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
The mind is the lodge.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
We have to tile the lodge when we do our
work so that we become indistractable and there's no competing
intrusive thoughts when we do that. And first of all,
that's a beautiful allegory for that state of mind that
we should enter upon doing work.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
You know, when I make.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
My presentation slides, and I'm going through this every single
day right now and probably will up to about a.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Week before the event.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Hopefully, hopefully I'll finish long before that, but you know,
I'll be tweaking them right up till then.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
I am so focused.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
One slide may take me a couple hours, that's how
focused in on it and I am, and how exact I.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
Want it to be.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
And after I'm i work on those slides for the
course of the day, it's like I'm so drained, like
all my energy is focused like a laser into that
that I'm so drained, like I have.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
To go lay down for like a half an hour
to an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
You know, it's like it literally bodily physically will take its.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Toll on you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
When you become like a you gather yourself to a
laser like focus like that. So this is what I'm
doing basically every day right now, the mode that I've
entered and have been in, because again, this is going
to be some of my most deeply profound work regarding
what we have to do to transform our own mind

(01:39:25):
and ourselves and our behavior. And again that's some of
my most unpopular work. Unfortunately, people really want to externalize everything.
They want to externalize their power. They want to externalize
what they think the solutions are. They want to say, oh,
the solution is getting someone to start using this cryptocurrency,

(01:39:46):
or we need a new technology, or we need a
new way of growing food, or you know, a million
different pseudo solutions, But very few people turn their gaze
inwardly and say, what do I have to do to change?

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
The solution really lies within us.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
That's mark I'm gonna have to interrupt real quick. I'm
gonna let you take the screen for about three minutes
because I got a whole pot of coffee that needs
to come out of me right now. So my community
is your community.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
I will, I will, it will be in it will
be in good hands, I promise, yes, thank you. So,
you know, we we really have to pay attention to
this tenant of or maxim of present moment awareness. It
really is a difference maker when we study how the

(01:40:39):
mind works and what our our goal is here to do,
which is to end the condition of human slavery.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
The fifth maxim or tenant in true positive light, occultism
is another one that people often have difficulty with or
uh don't want to hear fully because they're very attached
to a lot of things having to do with the physical.
And that maximum is care for and activate the physical

(01:41:13):
body because you will need it in this task.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
It is not indispensable. I mean it is indispensable.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
It is not dispensable, and it is not something that
should be taken lightly or for granted or.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Basically abused.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
And so many people, even within the freedom movement, are
not taking that to heart, and they are abusive toward
their own vessel, their own vehicle, and they're not really
doing the things that they need to to, you know,
keep the physical vehicle in shape and in condition.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
To do this type of work.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
The mind and the body are intricately interconnected, really can
never be separated, and we have to understand that as
the body goes, the mind goes.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
So I've put out a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Information on nutrition and you know, study martial arts, and
you know, try to be as active as possible. And
it's another one that is sort of unpopular within the
freedom community in general. I think the occult is unpopular

(01:42:25):
within the freedom community. A lot of people don't understand
how indispensable the understanding of the occult knowledge and the
occult world is. They look at it as just like
any other religion. And again I would absolutely argue that
is religion's purpose. Religion's long term goal and purpose is
to obfuse cate real spiritual knowledge, real morality, real right behavior.

(01:42:51):
So that's why I consider myself neither an atheist nor
a religionist. I consider myself a studier of the occult
and the knowledge that it contains. And I consider myself
ad ocultist, one who is attempting to take the knowledge
of the occult world and unhide it and bring it
out into the population for all to see and hear,

(01:43:12):
so that we can level the playing field of knowledge,
because that is how the social engineers control people. They
use knowledge as a weapon against the ignorant. They are
creating a power differential with the hidden knowledge that they
know and hold close to their chest, and they don't
want other people understanding that knowledge because when you understand

(01:43:35):
that information what it contains regarding our own psychology and
the laws of nature that are operating all around us,
one who truly knows those things will not want to
be a slave anymore, and certainly will not be easily
controlled or mentally manipulated.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
So that's the goal of all of my work.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
And you know, in general, I hope that I've helped
to share some of the those basic principles and my
motivations with with your viewing audience.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Well, I'm gonna tell you now, before this video started, uh,
somebody had I was discussing my new Archaics Underground and
it's a platform, it's and it's, it's, it's it's wildly successful.
I had no idea I was gonna have this high
participation so fast. And I had an idea, I says,
I need to add a page in there, because we
have thirty pages in there each page allows us to

(01:44:26):
do all kinds of things.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Well, I need to add a page.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
I need to have like a uh I don't know
what I'm gonna call it yet, but it's gonna be
like a hall of fame, and you're gonna go in it, Michael,
so sorry. I's gonna go in it, David, I's gonna
go in people who have been in the field for
a long time.