Perception of Deception - Understanding Who You Are In A Weird World

A discussion with David Icke

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And dripping. That's the reason it's not stress. So what
what do I want for humanity? Well, you know people
talk about solutions, what's the solution? And I don't talk
about solutions because solutions tend to lead to more problems

(00:24):
in search of more solutions. For me, the way to
to change something is to look for the cause of
why what you want to change is happening, is possible,

(00:44):
and all the way through this, I mean my thirty
sixth year of researching this and writing about this, now
there has been a very common theme and it happens
and wow, spans the dimensions, and that is that there

(01:07):
is an effort, a long time effort, to isolate what
you might call incarnate consciousness from its infinite, expansive self.
The real eye, which is just consciousness, it's not a form.

(01:30):
Form is the way that consciousness experiences different dimensions and realities. Yes,
if I was in my pure consciousness form here, I
couldn't I couldn't tap the keys, I couldn't pick up
this glass because my consciousness is a completely different frequency

(01:54):
to this world of materialism. So we take on a
that has the same as within the same frequency band.
Is that we would we wish to interact me. So
there are endless forms that we take to interact with

(02:16):
different realities, different bands of frequency for life, but in
the end, we're none of those things. They are vehicles
to experience. What we are is consciousness, spirits are these
words are necessary for communication in our reality, but really

(02:44):
they're almost beyondwards. It's a state of being aware, and
the question is how aware you can be In the end,
if you become expansively enough, you could become infinitely aware.

(03:05):
But most people obviously are not in that state, not
least because there are systematic efforts to to disconnect us
from that level of awareness or even expanded levels of

(03:26):
awareness never mind, you know, the whole way. And that's
because there is a force that seeks to manipulate humanity
that could not possibly do that if we were in

(03:48):
an expanded state of awarenness, because we'd see it, and
we'd also tap into that power to override it and
overwhelm it. So I've said all the way through for
decades now that the foundation of human control is control

(04:11):
of perception. That's the absolute foundation, bottom line of how
humans are controlled, because what we perceive leads to how
we behave if you look at many recent examples, if

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you can get people to perceive a situation in a
certain way, they will behave in ways that reflect that
belief system. For instance, if you can get them into
a state of fear that something some bogey man's coming
or some bogie disease, then they will respond from a

(05:02):
point of view of that fear, and they will do
what you tell them because you think, or they think,
that you're the ones that can protect them from what
you've manipulated them to fear. So everything is perception. You know,
the number of people in full knowledge who are pushing

(05:25):
the world in a direction towards global dystopia is absolutely
tiny compared with the global population, and therefore you may
be able to physically hurt people in a relatively small
area with the military or law enforcement or whatever. But

(05:49):
you're not going to control eight billion people from a
relative handful unless you do two things. You control their
perception so they behave the way you want them to,
and you take from the target population and you put

(06:10):
them in uniform, and you get the target population to
control itself. And all of these things are only possible
because of the myopia of perception, not least self identity
that we've been manipulated into. And so what's the cause

(06:38):
of the problem that we have been manipulated to perceive
reality and to perceive ourselves in an incredibly myopic way
and a distorted way in which we see ourselves as

(07:01):
human when we are actually consciousness having a brief, a
very brief experience as human. So if you look at
the way perceptions are manipulated, it takes a very predictable course.

(07:22):
First of all, you want incarnate consciousness to believe it
is the human, that it is the body, that that's
who it is, not that that's what it's experiencing through,
but that's what it is. So you want self identity

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to focus upon the idea that we are a man,
a woman, we are this religion, that religion, that race,
this race, this income bracket, whatever. In other words, we
want you want people or to self identify with the
labels of what we call human. Now, once you do that,

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and most people are there because it's incessant, But once
you do that, you are in the realm of limitation.
You are in the realm of I can't in the
realm of little me. I have no power, And that
which has the perception of having no power, looks out

(08:31):
of itself to that which it perceives to have power
to make a difference, to know more than you know.
And what are those people? They are so called experts,
they are academics, they are scientists, they're doctors, they're politicians,

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et cetera.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
And so.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
The idea is that you first of all convince people
that all they are is a human and that they
have no power, and then they look out of themselves,
outside of themselves, for that which they think has power,
and suddenly you have the very dynamic, the top down

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hierarchical structure of control that has run this world throughout
no human history. You know, if you look at what
we know of human history, or what we think we
know anyway, there's a simple question that comes from it.

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Why is it that, throughout this entire period that a
few people have always controlled the many in a hierarchical
structure of power. Why is that? And the answer is
because the mass of the population has been convinced of

(10:07):
its powerlessness, convinced of its subordination to that which it
thinks has power, and the ability of the few to
continue to manipulate people to have that perception of reality.

(10:30):
Simple thing if eight billion people, not even eight billion,
even a fraction of them, said no, we're not doing
what the few tell us. We're not doing what the
top of the pyramid tells us. We're not doing it.
What power does the top of the pyramid have in
that sense none? It has none, And therefore the answer

(10:57):
is staring us in the face. We cease to cooperate
with our own enslavement. But people don't do that because
they know their place, or think they do that. They're
in this hierarchy and they're up there and they call
the shots, and we're down here and we basically do
as we're told. And that perceptual dynamic has gone on

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throughout human history, which is why the few have always
controlled the many and continue to do so.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
And so.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Removing the cause is to engage in a total reevaluation
of self identity in the sense that you stop identifying

(11:53):
as a human just a brief experience, and you start
identifying as an expression of infinite awareness having that brief experience.
And I can tell you from my own, my own
kind of story over the last thirty six years. But
when you do that, everything changes because another massive part

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of this a crucial part of this control is to
keep from us the true nature of the eye, but
also the true nature of the reality that we're experiencing.
They want us to believe that this is a physical, solid,

(12:43):
material world. You only got to look at quantum physics
to see that that's not true. You go deep enough
into the atom, into any of these so called building
blocks of material reality, and you find that they're not
material at all. So we are, first of all, in

(13:03):
a situation where the few, the inner core, know what
this reality is and how it works, and they just
want to keep it from us, so that we go
on through our lives believing that the world is as
we appear to experience it when it's not. And if

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you have the knowledge that of how the world is
and what the world is, and your target population doesn't
know that, you are already in a phenomenal position of

(13:47):
power over the mass of the population. And so we
have two worlds. We have one world, which is what
I call the global cult, which is a network of
secret societies, fiercely compartmentalized. Even most people within the secret

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societies don't know what real game is. And that global cult,
which is like a you can imagine like a spider's
web around the planet of secret societies and seven secret
groups with an interlocking leadership. Ultimately, through that network at

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the inner core level, at least, this knowledge of what
reality is is passed on from generation to generation, so
they know what they're dealing with and how it works
at the same time, and this can be clearly shown

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from research, This cult or elements of it have created
the sources of communit vucation and information that the mass
of the people have, education, the media, on and on.
And the idea is that while the greater knowledge is

(15:13):
passed on through that secret society network, the population in
general is kept in ignorance of that knowledge. And what's
emerging more and more I've been writing about this for
decades now, is that we create our own reality. We

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create that reality from our perception of reality, conscious perception,
and ninety five percent of human behavior comes from subconscious perception.
And so the way it would seem to work, and

(16:02):
this would start to explain some of the strange happenings
within quantum physics, is that our perceptions are generating a frequency,
they're generating an energetic field that relates to the nature

(16:24):
of the of the perceptions. So if we are in
a state of depression or resentment or hatred or fear anxiety,
we're generating a low, slow frequency. And if we're in

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a state of love and state of joy and appreciation,
we are in a high fast frequency. And the difference
between the two it takes the nature of our reality
because that field of perception, that field of emotion and

(17:12):
thought that we call perception, is interacting with the quantum realm,
and it is manifesting in the physical world a reflection
of that state of being, that state of perception. Give
you an example, if you are in a perceptual state

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and a self identity state that says I have no power,
I have no control over my life, that's what you believe,
then that goes out as a frequency, interacts with the
quantum realm and manifests in a so called materialism, a

(18:02):
reflection of that perception. And so people then experience the
fact that they have no power my experience, Look, I
have no power. Everything I try and nothing works and
all that. But they don't realize they're in a feedback loop,

(18:24):
that their perceptions are in a feedback loop with a
quantum realm that is manifesting their reality. Now this is
a key, and it's fundamentally what this global cult wants
to keep from us, because they're using it. They know

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that if they can infuse our perceptions of reality and
our perceptions of self not least I have no power
that through that feedback loop. Once they've got our perception,
they've got a experienced reality. So if you look at,

(19:11):
for instance, religion, well look at anything in this reality,
and it's all about subordination. And once you are in
a mode of subordination in any way, shape or form,
you are interacting with the quantum realm and manifesting a

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state of subordination. You're creating your own reality. And these manipulators,
the inner core, know that. And so if they want
to create a mass reality, they know they only have
to control the mass perception, and that perception will manifest

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that reality. This is what we call pre empty programming,
is about people have realized in recent years that they're
putting out in movies and in television programs, et cetera.
A future like a a prediction of the future. It

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might be sci fi, sci fi, might be AI control,
it might be all these things and they are putting
in overwhelmingly into the subconscious, that sense of reality, that
sense of this is what's coming, this is this is

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what the future is and and and then we manifest it.
We make it easy for them because our perception of
reality becomes our experienced reality. And so if you look
at religion, it's about subordination. It's almost there will be

(21:09):
some no doubt, but almost every religion is about a
figure of power and subordinate followers. Doesn't matter if it's Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism,
doesn't matter the same same dynamic. And if you look

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at the non religious, where they perceive authority to be
the power over them, you must you must obey authority.
I mean, what will authority do if you don't obey?
All these states of perceptual subordination are creating collectively a

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world of subordination. And this is why it's so important,
it's so vital. It's the bottom line that the inner
core of this cold keeps this information from the target
population where we think that everything is random, that it's

(22:17):
a it's just a coincidence, and it's it's not something
that's that we're creating. It's just something that happens to us. Oh,
I'm so unlucky. No such thing as as as good
luck and bad luck. It's just creating your own reality
that you like or you don't like. And these are

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the levels of understanding of how reality works and how
we interact with it that will set us free of
this perceptual prison, because that's what it is that humanity
has been in for so long.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
To really sum that whole message up, I want to
read a quote of yours that is, when we free
our perceptions, we free our lives. If enough of us
do it, then the world becomes free into a world
then instead of being a prison, can become the paradise
that it once was and can become again. I'm really
curious to know where that part of the paradise that

(23:28):
it once was came from. Have we been in those
states of awareness before where we weren't limited to this
perceptual cage that we are in, largely in the mass population.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well, this is something that I've been looking at, researching
very very deeply in the last few years, and I've
produced a series of books like a what I call
reality trilogy, The Trap, The Dream, and The Reveal. Looking
at all this. It's clear to me now, and you

(24:06):
know it's like not one source, it's multiple sources that
lead you in the same direction that we are living
in a fake reality. We're living in the equivalent of
a virtual reality computer GAM. What I call prime reality

(24:29):
was the state that I was talking about in that
quote of like we once were, because we were at
one point aware that we are consciousness, and the trap

(24:52):
was to create a reality that initially seemed very very
like the I'll call it prime reality that we're experiencing before.
The prime reality that still exists, by the way, still
exists in the same space that I'm sitting in now

(25:12):
and you're sitting here. It's just that we're not tuned
to it anymore. And it was It's been described to
me by many people who've been kind of out there
in the other dimensions and have seen it. They've described
it as like and this this came to me as well.

(25:34):
It's like an overlay. Imagine it. Imagine like a Wi
Fi field. We have the Internet, right, and how do
we have the Internet because we have computers that decode
Wi fi? Wi Fi is just a radiation field in

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coded with enormous amounts of information and the computer connects
with that Wi Fi field and decodes it from the
impure information it is in the waveform radiation state into

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what we see on the screen in a very very
different state to what it to how it is in
the Wi Fi feel and the human body is doing
exactly that. The human body was manipulated to interact with

(26:49):
this fake reality overlay, and it works exactly like in
theme I can compewter does. I've been calling the human
body a biological computer since the nineteen nineties. So the

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computer connects into the Wi Fi field, the wavefield decodes
it puts it on the screen in a completely different state,
a completely different form if you look even with mainstream science,
and I say even because it's the Stone Age most

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of it, then that's what the body does. We are
picking up the five senses, which is the way that
we interact with this overlay fate reality. The five senses
pick up that waveform field level of information. The years

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are a perfect example, because we understand that the ears
are picking up sound ways. I'm speaking now and the
people listening are hearing what I'm saying, but it's not
words that are passing between us. It's a frequency carrying information.

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So my vocal cords are generating a wavefield of information,
and the ears pick up that information, they turn it
into electrical information, saying information different form, and they communicate
it to the brain and the brain decodes that into

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the reality that we we hear. Now, all the five
senses work the same. We are looking in terms of sight,
first of all, at the most extraordinarily narrow row band

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of frequency. And you know, I've said this so many
times For me, children should be told that the earliest
moment they can grasp it that when they look into
a space, they're not seeing everything in that space, They're

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only seeing a tiny band of frequency. Because once you
realize that, everything changes, how things can happen in the
hidden that you're not aware of. And according to mainstream science,
the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically our experience reality, is
zero point not five percent of what exists in the

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universe in terms of energy in different forms. And visible light,
which is the only band of frequency we can see,
is a smear, a fraction of theer point, not nor
five percent. So we are able to see a tiny,
tiny amount of what exists in the space that we are.

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We are sitting here, we are experiencing, and so therefore
from that point of view alone, we are we are
bordering on blindness in terms of what is happening in
the in the space we're experiencing. But what's happening with

(30:27):
sight is that we're picking up frequencies. Electrical signals are
communicated to the brain, and it's the brain that sees,
and it's the brain that feels, it's the brain that hears,
it's the brain that smells. It's all going on in here.

(30:49):
And so when my son was in was in hospital
a long time ago with a broken leg, I was
walking to the doctor and they were developing I suppose
it's widespread now, a method of pain relief which was

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based on stopping the point of impact, communicating with the brain,
breaking that communication, because if the brain doesn't get that communication,
you don't feel pain. Everything is happening here and is
being decoded here, just like a computer. And so we

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are through the five senses, picking up these information sources
from this overlay, this fake reality, and we are creating
that reality, not externally, and it appears that's what we're experiencing.

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We're creating in here. The whole thing happens in here,
So where is the computer, Where is the computer decoding
the Wi Fi feel? It's not happening here or here
or here, It's happening inside the computer. And what's fascinating
to me is to see the the way that this

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explosion of technology and computerization and all these different aspects
of it that are getting more and more extreme all
the time are mirroring technologically the way that we're actually
experiencing reality and decoding reality. So if you take the

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human body brain to be like a headset in a
virtual reality gap, then you pretty much got the dynamic.
Because you know, if you go on the internet, go
on YouTube, and you put in a few words relating
to funny things that have happened in computer games or whatever,

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the worst effect, you'll get compilation videos of people who
are in a room, a room they've been used to,
they're familiar with, and they put their headset on. Now
information is being fed to the five senses. It's overridden

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the normal decoding systems of reality. So you put the
goggles on, you put the audio on the most sophisticated ones,
you put the gloves on for the touch sets, etc.
And you see people in rooms they're familiar with, put

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their headset on and completely transform in terms of their
sense of reality. Yeah, falling off the chair, they're running away,
they're screaming, all these different emotional reactions there to what
is simply a technological headset with information being delivered to

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the senses that they weren't getting before. But it becomes
their reality almost instantly. Now, imagine that you're born into
this biological computer and from cradle to grave, there's no

(34:41):
taking it off because you know, you see in these
these virtual reality compilations that people are screaming and shying
and running and then they'll take the headset off and
they'll go pew. It's just a game. But with the

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human body that's the decoding this reality, you can't take
it off. Short of what we call death, which is
just death of the body, the operating system ceases to operate,
and so you're going through from cradle a grave and
this is decoding your reality for it. And this is

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where perception comes in, because if you are simply following
the perceptual norms, then you just accept that what you
are experiencing is how reality is. The myopia of perception

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becomes the myopia of the way you see the world.
But what happens more and more as you expand your
awareness and you start to tap into levels of knowledge
information that are beyond the overlay, then suddenly you start

(36:16):
to see the situation in a very different light. And
it's that expansion of awareness that goes, hey, what is
this reality? Where am I? Who am I? What's going on? Really?
They don't want that process to happen, so they focus
your attention and they constantly produce drama to keep you

(36:41):
focused on the five cents reality of the five cents world,
so you don't stop and ponder and just start asking
the big questions, not shall I vote for Trump or Harris?
But who am I? What is this place? How did
I get here? Where do I go? When it's over,

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and when you are willing to ask those questions and
pursue them and deprogram yourself from the religious programming and
the perceptual programming and the cultural programming, then you start
to get a view of reality that's very, very fundamentally

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different to what you had before, when this was delivering
reality and you were accepting it for what it was
instead of going, well, hold on it, what is this reality,
and so in the same way that we are interacting

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with the quantum realm and manifesting our experience material reality.
So once you start art asking the big questions, you
are interacting with the quantum realm and it will present

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you with answers to the big questions. But if you
don't ask them, it can't because the feedback loop can't
produce answers for questions that have not been asked. And
that the pressure is and the way the system works

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is to keep you so focused on day to day reality,
on the reality of the so called material world. It's
not really that these big questions don't get asked. And
if you look, for instance, at mainstream science, the funding

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and the prestige and the professorships and the adulation overwhelmingly
comes to those scienceists that don't ask those big questions.
In search of the answers they go. The funding, the

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prestige goes to those that toe the line of orthodox science,
which staggeringly still despite quantum physics. Oh we'll acknowledge it,
but then I'll crack on as if he doesn't exist.
And there's a lot more to know about the quantum
realm two than we know yet they'll just crack on

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pushing the orthodox version of reality, which is basically, we're
a cosmic accident and came from nowhere and we're going
into nowhere and that's it, big bang and all that stuff.
That's where you get your prestige from. If you're a
doctor and you expand your awareness and you start to

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tap into levels that give you an insight into how
illness manifests and therefore how it can be overcome, just
balance and imbalance in effect, then don't think you're going

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to first of all, express that belief and certainly not
practice it within the mainstream of medicine, because you're out
the door. So what the system has done as set
up a system of reward, prestige survival in these various

(41:05):
professions based on going with the orthodoxy and not questioning it.
And this means that, I mean, we saw it. We
do have a recent, a recent example, how doctors just

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go go with the party line and go with what
they're told rather than question anything. We're seeing scientists do that.
They the paranormal or the para. Why do we call
it the paranormal, Well, there's no para to it, it's
it's normal. It's just that it's outside the orthodox normal,

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which is why they call it parap And so we are,
we are in a system that is set up, excuse me,
systematically to keep us in the box, keep us in
the perceptual box. And all these people that are put

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in these positions of apparent expertise not really a lot
of the time in medicine and science and academia and
all these other different professions. Those that toe the line,
don't question, don't ask the big questions, and even if

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they do, they keep it to themselves. They're the ones
the population look to as experts to tell them what
to think, to tell tell them how things as things are.
So you again got this feedback loop between perception and experts,

(43:01):
and experts and perception, experts and perception, perception and experts.
Everywhere you look, there are these feedback loops between the
target population and the perception of reality that the manipulators
want the target population to have. And you know, people

(43:23):
will be well aware over the years what happens if
you step out of the box, if you start asking
the big questions, you start talking about them. So people
can even think you're crazy, but they certainly dismiss you

(43:44):
as a kook, crazy pseudo scientists, and all the rest
of it. And so there is a many, many many
years ago, back in the nineteen nineties, I used to
make the point that humans about sheep the sheep, because

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at least the sheep need a sheep dog to keep
them in line. Humans keep themselves in line, and they
keep themselves in line by accepting what they're told about reality,
what they're told about their self identity, what they're told

(44:27):
about events. And anyone among them that steps out of that.
I know this from long experience and starts questioning these norms.
It's not necessarily the manipulators that target you, although they

(44:48):
do that. Sometimes it's the population that target you. And
you can see this with religion, where different religions different
belief systems. I mean, look look at the conflicts and
the wars we've had between people of different belief systems

(45:11):
because they actually the same belief system in the different guys,
because they believe that what they believe everyone should believe.
And what is that if not exactly what people like
me have experienced, where we are abused and ridiculed for

(45:37):
having a different view of reality to the mass of
the population. Everywhere you look, you see the same recurring
theme of perceptual infusion, not least through intimidation and repetition.
You know, if you come out of the womb and

(45:59):
you'll pay, parents who've been through the same system you're
about to go through start impacting upon your perception. And
then you go to school, and now a teacher is
first of all dictating your life when you have to

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be there, when you can leave, when you can go
to the toilet, when you can eat, when you can talk,
but also impacting upon your perception of reality by what
they're telling you reality is in all its different forms.
And then you go on to university or college, and

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the same thing happens, but at a higher level, and
you only pass your exams overwhelmingly if you tell the
system what it's told you to believe. And then you
go out into the world and you're meeting people who've
been through the same system that you've just been through,
but earlier, and everyone's supporting the belief of everyone else

(47:05):
that this is how about, this is how reality is,
this is what the world is, this is how it works.
They may differ in the detail, but the basic themes
are the same, and you turn on the media and
the media is telling you the same stuff that the
school told you and a university told you, and scientists
are coming on the TV and telling you the same,

(47:28):
and academics and doctors. Is it any wonder that people
go through their entire lives believing something that is complete
crap provably, so of course they'll believe it. What breaks
that cycle, and here we come back to causes and

(47:51):
removing the cause. What breaks that cycle is if you
expand your sense of awareness out of this reality, this
fake reality, what the Nostach used to call the bad
copy reality, and you expand it out beyond it, because

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then you're starting to tap into levels of information, awareness,
insight that you won't get from the from the matrix,
if you like, from the simulation. And that is what
we call truly call awaken What are you awakening from?

(48:40):
You're not awakening to something, because you're already that you're
awakening from the fake reality that's been instilled in you
from grade to the grave. And suddenly the world looks
a completely different place. You would have been through this
process as anyone who awakens from the coma goes through.

(49:06):
And you you start to say things like I've had
this said to me so many times. Why couldn't I
see it before? It's so obvious because you were getting
your information from the matrix before. Now you're getting it
from beyond the matrix. Now the world looks very different.

(49:29):
And so you see the Yeah, you see the reason
why the effort is constant and incessant to hold us
in a limited sense of perception, a limited sense of
the possible, a limited sense of everything, because they have

(49:52):
to keep us in that perceptual box because if they don't,
it's over. We are We are able then to see
what we couldn't see before.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
In March of this year, I was invited to the
Monroe Institute and got to know a little bit about
the work of Robert Monroe and his experiences out of
the body. And thankfully we have people like you and
like him, and like many others that are pursuing those
bigger questions. Robert's journey was interesting out of the body

(50:31):
because he did encounter some things as he started expanding
more that awareness that gave him a broader sense of
this reality. And I know you've come to those conclusions
as well. So it almost feels like there's layers to
this as well, Like until we get into that eye,
complete eye, pure consciousness state, there are some like elevators
that we have to get to to reach those levels.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
What are those floors.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
We could say in that elevator that we need to
pass through before we get into the greater awareness.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Well, that's a very interesting question and a very important one.
The way I see it symbolically, quite probably literally, is
that we are operating in like onion skins. Are these

(51:26):
skins obviously not an onion, They are levels of perception,
They are energetic levels of perception. And the big, the
big thing I would suggest we need to remember is

(51:48):
how little we know. Now. This is very very important
because what I've seen over the over the decades i've
been doing this is how people have awoken from the
norm to a point and then stopped and because they

(52:10):
think they got it, well, they haven't got it. None
of us have got it. We're getting it as best
we can. And I've always gone along with the principle
of whatever we know, there's always more to know. It's

(52:32):
the principle that was articulated. It is said by Socrates,
the ancient Greek philosopher who was a mentor of Plato, etc.
And he basically said, to know is to know you
know nothing. That's basically what true knowledge is. And this

(52:57):
is vital for this reason. When you stay and keep
to that reality, that sense of reality, there's no point
where you say I've got it and you start to
coagulate into like an eddy in the river, river flowing
pass but you're now a whirlpool going around, around around

(53:19):
because you've got it now, well you ain't. You know,
I watched the so called alternative media since the COVID
period that has come in and basically hijack the central
core of the alternative media. The algorithms love them. I

(53:43):
wonder why of funding loves them. And what they've done
is they've come in with the belief that politics is
it politics, Support Trump, Support Trump, I'll sort it. And

(54:04):
you know, Trump is not even a smear on the
scale of the conspiracy, which is founded on our whole
sense of reality being completely different to what we think
it is and we experience it as and they've fallen

(54:27):
into the trap. Actually at quite a low level, they've
realized this some kind of conspiracy going on and then stopped.
It's the deep state that's the conspiracy. No, No, that's
an expression of it. It's not. It's expression of it

(54:48):
because they've got this idea that they got it. And
what I've done over the years and still do to
this moment is whatever I know, I know, there's always
more to know. The one thing we know for sure
is there's always more to know, and so you might

(55:11):
grasp levels of it, but there's always more to understand.
So you don't drop into the eddy. You keep flowing
with the river because you're looking for for what you
don't know, and that means that you keep going deeper

(55:36):
and deeper and deeper into what people call a rabbit
hole because you know that there's no point in this
life where that's going to stop if you pursue it.
And what tends to happen is like in the early

(55:57):
nineteen nineties, I uncovered this grow or cult and how
it works and how the manipulation of the material world happens.
But I knew that that was only one level of it.
So what don't I know? And then it takes you

(56:18):
into levels where there's a non human force, like an
Askhal force that's manipulating humanity via this global cult and
then and then you go into levels of the fact
that this reality is a fake reality and it's actually

(56:40):
a simulated reality, very much akin to the matrix movies.
And that happens because you know at any point there's
always more to no. If you don't if you're not
aware of that, or you don't live that, then you stop,

(57:01):
and so peeling off these perceptual levels of the of
the onion skins can be broken by that awareness that
there's always more to know. Because you don't stop, you

(57:22):
might grasp something and then you go, okay, so what
else is there to know? And you keep going deeper
and deeper and deeper and deeper. And that's the way
you that that's true awakening, because these these levels are
coming off. For instance, if you look at the central
core of what's called the alternative media, what I call

(57:44):
the megamedia, they have moved from the limited view of
reality that a lot of most of the population now,
But all they've done is widen the prison sell slightly

(58:05):
to see all the conspiracy going now, which the deep state.
But that's it, And what has to happen is all
the bars have to go and and all the preconceived
ideas have to go, all the preconceived perceptions. This is

(58:25):
how it is have to go. And then we free ourselves,
We free our minds, we free our awareness to flow
out beyond the simulation into knowledge and awareness that we

(58:45):
never thought possible before, and the world starts to look
a very very different place. But when you do that,
and you you, you talk about it publicly, you're dealing
with a with a mass of the population. It is changing,

(59:06):
people are starting to wake awaken up, wake up, But
you're still dealing with the mass of the population that
will see you as crazy, that will see you as
off out of your head. What do you mean, simulation?
What are you talking about? And so you you, you, you,

(59:26):
you have to make a decision. Am I going to
go with this? Am I going to speak out about
this and take all that stuff? Or am I just
gonna keep my mouth shut and basically stay in the box? Uh?

(59:46):
And what I would say is that when you truly
start to awaken and uh elite these energetic skins, you
reach a point of awareness where basically things start to

(01:00:11):
meet in the sense that you don't care anymore what
people say about you, what people do about you, what
people think about you, because you have reached a point
of awareness where you realize it doesn't matter. You know,

(01:00:37):
we are consciousness, We are a state of infinite awareness.
What does it matter if people in a human body,
disconnected from their true eye, programmed by the system to

(01:00:58):
believe nonsense? And I understand why it's incessant, Like I say,
you are going to be affected by what those people
say about Well why? And you you reach a point
where you realize it just doesn't matter what people say

(01:01:23):
about you. What matters and the only thing that matters
to me in terms of my work is whether what
I'm saying can be supported by the evidence. If I
believe it can, then I'll say it. And how people

(01:01:43):
receive it is completely up to them. But it's their
right to receive it as they choose. It's my right
to have my opinion based on what I've researched and
how I can tell you from you know, these decades
that I've been doing this, and that all this abuse

(01:02:05):
and ridicule I've had, is that you can survive all
that because it doesn't matter unless you make it matter.
You know, people say, oh, I'm offended, Okay, well you've
just described it perfectly. You're offended. You have chosen to

(01:02:25):
be offended. It's your choice, that's your reality. You created it.
You're offended. I choose not to be offended because I
understand why people say what they do, given the incessant
programming that we're all subjected to. But so I don't
get offended. And you know, people all the time say

(01:02:52):
that someone's affected them, but they've chosen to be affected.
Someone says something about you and you don't like, well,
you can say, oh, thanks for sharing that with us,
or you can be offended and you can break break down.
It's a choice and you can speak your truth. I mean,

(01:03:18):
you know, I've met so many people over the years.
I'm sure you have too, who are in families, for instance,
that that not only don't have the same view of life,
but actually are vehemently hostile to them for having the

(01:03:42):
view they do, like being a religious household and not
believe in religion. But see it and see the reality
in another way, See how that works out. And the
pressure all the time is to conform, to inform, to conform,

(01:04:03):
And the question is are we going to fall for
that and can literally conform to that? Or are or
are we going to say, no, this is my truth
and I'm going to speak it and if you don't
like it, well do the other thing, because that's all right,
because you ain't. You ain't going to affect me speaking

(01:04:26):
my truth. And you know, I hope that I'm a example,
given the scale of ridicule I've been through in the
last thirty six years, that you can speak your truth.
You're not saying that everyone's got to believe it, so
to them, but you're speaking it, and you can survive

(01:04:53):
so long as you realize it doesn't matter what people
say about you, doesn't matter what people do about you.
What matters is if you can justify to yourself that
what you're saying is true, and whatever you're saying is true,

(01:05:21):
there'll always be more.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Tonight, David, I feel like we're really getting into the
core of your teachings. And I'm aware that we have
or just over the hour, but I really feel that
a powerful way to end is to talk about why

(01:05:44):
you believe that the heart or you call it the
heart of vortex, is one of those keys, one of
those major keys to human freedom, consciousness, freedom, and to
liberate ourselves from this third dimensional reality.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Beyond what we really truly are. Well, the Gnostics from
hundreds of years ago in in Egypt and elsewhere, they
left writings that were found in a place called Nagamadi

(01:06:26):
in Egypt in nineteen forty five become known as the
Nagamadi Library. And first of all, they talk about this
reality being a bad copy and the quote God the
people worship are actually is actually the tyrant that created

(01:06:48):
the bad copy of the simulation, as I would call it.
But also they talk about the fact that we have
a divine spark within us, and that divine spark, well,
I mean, in line with what I've been saying, it's

(01:07:08):
a good analogy. Again, that divine spark is encircled by
these onion skins of perpetual layers and levels, and the
divine spark wants to express itself, but it can't be

(01:07:33):
heard for most people because it's that people's perceptions, incarnate
perceptions are overwhelmed by the programming. But for me, the
heart is a connection to that divine spark. And once yeah,

(01:08:00):
you you open the heart, and you know, the heart
is far more powerful than the brain. The brain is
the village idiot. Prepare with the heart and if you
if you move into this area, you start to connect

(01:08:25):
with that divine spark. What is that divine spark, It's
that part of us that is the is the vehicle
to connect us without there. And you know, people they
talk about love in a in a way that love

(01:08:49):
is always doing nice things, but or what appears to
be nice, but it can be very naive things as well.
Always think the best in people, Well that's okay, but

(01:09:11):
also be aware that that might not be the case,
because if you don't, you're going to get scammed. And
so the true level of what I would call heart
consciousness is extremely street wise and extremely wise as wisdom

(01:09:35):
compare with the brain, which is which is a processor
of information, and that heart wisdom is what can override
the programming which is going on here. And if you

(01:09:58):
look at society right, the heart is targeted all the time.
You know, you look at what I call these dramas,
these wars, these there's suffering, this, these horrors that go on.
They're all about closing the heart so that people just hm,

(01:10:27):
they cease to feel the emotional trauma they would otherwise
feel or think or think they would. But that's only
that's only one level of that. Again, when you start
to move through that into that and and move these

(01:10:48):
these these skins of perception away, there is another heart
in there, and it's a heart that says, I'm going
to do what I know to be right, no matter what,
no matter what the consequences, because consequences are what or

(01:11:13):
perceive consequences or what stop the vast majority of people
doing what they know to be right, because they go
to a list of consequences, potential consequences, if I do this,
what will happen? What will happen to me? What will
authority do? What will my pastor say? But once you

(01:11:38):
get into that deeper level of the heart, that pure wisdom,
that is the observer. It doesn't get caught in the drama.
It's the observer, the wise observer. It will never say

(01:11:58):
what are the consequences of doing I believe to be right?
It would just do that. And that is the divine
spark speaking, which knows that this nonsense that we call

(01:12:19):
the world, this nonsense that makes us believe certain things
and react certain ways, it's all nonsense, it all it's
all a manipulated game. It can see that, and so
it starts to operate above it. From that level, it

(01:12:39):
doesn't care what you say about it, because it knows
it's all nonsense. And it certainly doesn't care about potential
consequences for doing what it believes to be right, because
it would just be just know, any other way to
consider consequences is to consider not doing what you believe
to be right, and that level of the heart would
never do that. And this, this for me, this is

(01:13:04):
what takes us out there what we call what we
call death. Just you know, I mean, you know, if
if you have a biological computer that's decoding this matrix
into a sense of reality, then when it ceases to

(01:13:25):
do that, like this computer ceases to do it, then
the screen goes blank. It's not doing it anymore. And
what do we say, Oh, my computers died. Well that's
that's what happens. This, what's what death is. Death is
the biological computer ceasing to function, ceasing to record, to

(01:13:46):
decode this reality. And suddenly you find yourself as near
death experiences have in endless numbers, in a completely different
reality to the one you were experiencing a few seconds ago.
And it's because this has stopped decoding the matrix and

(01:14:07):
the way out is through this because if you if
you remain attached to this reality and all the for
an emotional connections to it, then you'll hit this what

(01:14:32):
what it's called the wheel of samsarup. You'll be You'll
be back in, reincarnated, back in because this, this overlay,
this fake reality, can only survive with a throughput of

(01:14:53):
consciousness awareness. And if if you became aware of the nonsense,
when you leave this reality, you're out of here because
you know, you know it's nonsense. You know that the
true self is a state of infinite awareness. So you're

(01:15:17):
you're out and you're connecting with that state of infinite
awareness because that's what you believe yourself to be. That's
what you are self identifying with, that's what you connect
with out. But if you still hold perceptual, emotional mental
connections to this reality, then you won't get out. You'll

(01:15:40):
go into the word of sansorrow. Because this this force,
this astral force, if if if it didn't have this
trap to keep consciousness souls whatever you want to call them,
coming in and out of this reality, then it would

(01:16:02):
run out of people, will run out of souls very
very quickly because you'd come out of the body and
you say, well, so I'm not bloody going back there.
I'm out of here. So they want to keep you in.
And so this matrix where this overlay, has other levels too,
and one of them is the astral level and soul.

(01:16:26):
It's like a fake heaven, and people, our souls leave
the body in the end of this fake heaven, they
go to the light, the fake light up the tunnel
and all that stuff. It's all part of the whole
manipulation to keep you in the matrix. And then you
come back in in another form with another experience. And

(01:16:49):
the reason that they do this, and that has to
be a reason obviously, is that they are feeding off
our mental emotional energy. This this this force, this astral
force that's created this whole a fake reality and its

(01:17:12):
astral levels, the fake heaven. It's feeding off our energy.
Every time that we feel emotion, every time we feel
or think, we're generating energy which relates to the nature

(01:17:32):
of the emotion and the nature of the thought. So,
like I said earlier, depression, fear, anxiety, resentment, hatred, regret,
all these things are low vibrational energy, and it's the
low vibrational energy that these this force feeds off. It's

(01:17:56):
what Robert Munroe is astal awls be coined the word loosh.
It's they're they're they're feeding off human loosh in the words,
the mental and emotional energy we're given off. And so
they have to try to keep us in the keep
us in this trap of reincarnation so that we keep

(01:18:20):
producing looshe And so when we leave the body, the
manipulation goes on, unless unless we are aware by that
point what the game is, in which case we we

(01:18:42):
leave the matrix, the astral level, all of it, We
leave it, leave it in totality. But that is what
they're trying to stop. And so for instance, you you
talked to near death experiences, and they of course don't

(01:19:05):
go into the will of Samsara and come back in
another form. They come back in the same form. Then
their body is revived. So they don't see what's on
the other side of the veil. They only see this
side of it, in the astrally, this side of it.

(01:19:27):
But they say how they see They see Jesus, or
they see the figure of the religion that they believed in,
and of course in the human world, we're told to
to connect the light to God in spirituality. I've seen

(01:19:55):
the light. And so when you leave the body and
a light come, you know, and some religious hero of
his is who's not really you. You do what they say,
You go up the tunnel, or you go towards the life,
you cross the the veil, which near death experiences don't do,

(01:20:21):
and you come back here. And I've written about this
a great length in my recent books, having a talk
to and seen the experiences or experiences of people who

(01:20:45):
first of all near death experiences, yes, and the themes
are very common. But also I've talked to people and
seen the recordings of people who say they remember the
preincarnation h point where they incarnated and just before and

(01:21:09):
they have they tell a very common tact too. And
it's it's very clear that the wheel of Sansara is
very technic technological in nature. You know, we think all
the astral must be all that's that, that spirit that's
evan that's not like this won't have technology, or it does.

(01:21:32):
It's just is just in a different vibrational band than
than here. The technology that's coming in here to take
over more and more, not least the fusion of humans
with artificial intelligence, which is their their big goal is
is coming out of the astral. So where it's coming from.

(01:21:55):
It's coming out of the astral into the underground basis
of the secret projects where they interact with these entities,
and and then it flows into the public arena. And
you'll notice that as this technological explosion has gone on,

(01:22:18):
it's seamless there. You know, there's not a situation where
people are sitting around the table strumming their fingers waiting
for the next level of technology to be to be
invented or discovered. It's just one thing goes follows the
other and it gets faster and faster and faster and faster.

(01:22:39):
The advancement gets faster and faster and faster. Well, there's
a reason for that. It already exists in the underground
basis a secret project and in the astral and it's
being played out in a particular sequence. It's like it's
like a carrot in front of a donkey. Here, use

(01:22:59):
a different analogy, pulling you towards dystopia on the basis
of oh, yeah, the technology is advancing, Yeah, but why
is it advancing in the way that it is? It's
to control you. Because if you have a situation which
the boligarchs of Silicon Valley and other parts of the world,

(01:23:21):
China once they want to fuse humans with artificial intelligence,
and that will mean that artificial intelligence will be doing
human thinking and human emotional reaction. We won't even be
controlling our own emotions anymore, or our own thoughts. They'll

(01:23:45):
be delivered to us. Now, what do you think Those
artificial intelligence thoughts will not ask the big questions who
am I? Where am I? What is this place? Won't
ask them? And that's the idea. It's been the ultimate
goal all along, to create a situation where the human mind,

(01:24:07):
human consciousness is deleted from the perceptual process, so they
don't have to manipulate information anymore, they don't have to
suppress information anymore. You'll just get your thoughts and emotional
reactions direct through artificial intelligence. You'll become a basically a

(01:24:29):
computer on someone else's Internet. And that's what I've been
warning about for decades. And look around. Donald Trump's pushing
this so called big beautiful bill, and one of its
one part of it is that the States of America

(01:24:49):
will not be able to regulate artificial intelligence for ten years. Well,
in ten years, artificial intelligence will be on in the
world and and and being fused with humans. Uh. And
two days into his presidency, two days in January, he

(01:25:13):
wheeled out in the White House Larry Edison and Sam
Oltman to announce a five hundred up to five hundred
billion dollar AI project called Stargate. This is where it's going, uh.
And it's being orchestrated from the astral. People like Trump

(01:25:35):
and Edison, they're only there are only vehicles, there are
any gophers. It's all being orchestrated from the astral. And
so we are in a period now where the expansion
of our consciousness to beyond the limitations of this fake

(01:26:00):
reality is absolutely vital. That's where the answers lie, that's
where the true self identity lies, and that's where the
insights lie. That's where the understanding lies. That's where our
power to change things lives, not in the matrix beyond it.
And the heart is a connection to get there, but

(01:26:24):
it's not I'm going to be nicely nicy because I
want people to like meet heart and so people can
misunderstand it. I would suggest on that level, it's that
deeper level of wisdom of doing what you know to

(01:26:47):
be right, irrespective of the consequences or what appear to
be the consequences, potential consequences, you just do it and
and that changes everything, changes your life, and collectively it
can change this reality. But it's amazing to me, Well

(01:27:12):
maybe not when you see how it's done, but it's
amazing to me how easy it is to control the
perceptions of humans, and even now the truly awakening our
big time the exception not the rule. And but what

(01:27:36):
can you do? You do what you do, what you can,
You do what you know to be right, and what
happens happens. But you can you can see how the
suppression of information on one side and the the programming

(01:27:58):
of perception on the other is a very very powerful combination.
But you know, you know we're talking now. You can
you can go on the internet if you're searching for
the answers, and you can access this information. It's not

(01:28:24):
going to be put before you by CNN or MSNBC
or the BBC. It's not going to be put before
you by the central core of the alternative media. But
it's there and where you ask the big questions who
am I? Where am I? What is this place? How

(01:28:48):
can I make a difference? Then that interacts with the
quantum level, and it will put before you answers to
those questions, and and you'll find yourself coming across information
in a synchronistic way that you think is all. That's

(01:29:10):
a called concidives. No, it's not. You created it yourself.
You've asked the question and you've meant it, not conceptually,
you've meant it, and therefore the answer is put before you,
and it's before you because you've asked the question and
meant it. You don't ask the question, then you won't

(01:29:38):
get the answer. And most people are not asking the
question because they don't realize that it's a question that
needs asking. And that's the power of program, power of suppression.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
David, We end every episode with a segment called the
Final Trio, really rapid fire questions to finish off, personalized
to each guests. Before that, where would you send people
to connect with you with your work, everything that you're
putting out there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
I know you've been deep platformed, I know you've.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Been going through all of these things, but there's still
so many ways where people can connect with the vast
field of information that you put out there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Yeah, that's an interesting that's an interesting point. If I'm
so crazy, why all the efforts to stop people hearing
what I'm saying. I'm currently banned from thirty European countries
and Australia, But the central core of the alternative media
putting out the political level and all that stuff, They're

(01:30:48):
not banned from any of those places. But I'm putting
out this deeper stuff and suddenly I am. And you know,
it's an interesting, interesting question. Can you can get me
at David Night dot com. But we also have a
a media platform called Iconic Iconic dot com and there

(01:31:12):
you can see news shows every day, but also full
length documentaries looking at these deeper, deeper things I've I've
made many of them now, looking at these deeper levels
and looking at reality and how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
How we can redefine ourselves as consciousness rather than the
myopia into identifying as as a human personality, ones in experience,
the other ones an I so Iconic dot com is

(01:31:57):
It was created by my son Jamie with a big
help from my eldest son Garrett. Both of them are
on I Connect alongside myself and christiannob and what Richard
Willett and many others, and I'm absolutely delighted with with

(01:32:20):
what's being produced. M beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
We'll put all the links in the description where people
can go directly to that and for the final trio.
All these questions are personalized. As a guest, you can
answer them in any way that you want. But the
first one is what does the word conspiracy mean to you?

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
Oh? Well, you know, this is an interesting point. You know,
the CIA put out in the nineteen sixties to American
media outlets that those that were questioning the Kennedy assassin
and other assassinations in the sixties should be called conspiracy theorists,

(01:33:06):
and they are promoting conspiracies. And what's interesting is that
this has now become a reflex action response from mainstream
media and people, a lot of people in general. But
if someone saying that conspiracy are he's a conspiracy theorist, Well,

(01:33:29):
what does conspiracy mean to me? What it means the
dictionary definition, which is two or more people working together,
conspiring together to bring about a particular end, usually illegal.
And you know, you look at the law in country

(01:33:51):
after country, and there's conspiracy to this conspiracy to that
conspiracy to the other. But the same people that acknowledge
that say, oh, no, conspiracies, they don't happen. On of
course they happen. The conspiracies are the norm. What two
or more people getting together to manipulate an outcome and

(01:34:13):
you know, screw someone else. Of course it's happening all
the time. And so it's that's what it means to me.
And it's amazing how this, again the programming, can create
a situation in which the reflex actually response to conspiracies

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are conspirits and serious. Well, how about having a look
if it's true or not. Oh no, don't do that.
Conspiracies don't exist. No, no, okay, ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
M I was watching your documentary Renegade, the Life Story
of Yourself, and towards the end of that, you were
on the pier looking out and you were seeing these
children write the words freedom on the sand, and it
brought up a lot of emotion for you. And I'm
curious to know what does the world look like in

(01:35:15):
full freedom, where all of humanity is is in that
state of being? What does that world feel like to you?

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Well, first of all, that that shot in the in
the in the movie where I'm standing on the peer
as you say, and we're looking out, we were at
the pier for a completely different reason. And these these
two kids and their mom were writing freedom and red
letters in the sand right in front of us. And

(01:35:50):
from the way that day unfolded, the chances of being there,
the statistical chances of being there when they did it
were absolutely ridiculous because of all the different things that happened.
And we ended the day standing there and they did it,
and so that was a serious sum case of synchronicity,

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you like, creating real reality. In another way, well, I
have a simple philosophy. See, do what you like, so
long as you don't impose it on anyone else. And
if people lived by that, they wouldn't need any laws

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because you know, people say, well what about murder them, Well,
that's imposing you're will on someone else. And and and
so it's real simple to do what you like because
you'll learn from it, go go bad, but don't impose
it on any lamps. And that for me is really

(01:37:00):
you know, I've used the example years years ago. But
we're having a lot of raves and pretends to a rave,
but and there were complaints that these rays were going
on and it was affecting that the residents in the
area and all that stuff, And I thought, well, okay,

(01:37:25):
now what we have is a world in which some
have to win so others can lose, and some have
to lose so others can meke well, why can't we
accommodate people in a way that doesn't affect others. So

(01:37:45):
if people want to rave, or give them a rave
just away from give them a notation just away from
people at what would be affected by it. They don't
want to be affected. Then that they have their rave
and people aren't affected by it. These things can These
key things can happen once there is respect for another's

(01:38:12):
right to make their choices and have their views and
have their opinions and have their lifestyles, so long as
they don't impose it on anyone else. And this okay,
you know the challenges in that in various situations, but

(01:38:34):
as a principle that means people are free to express
themselves they see fit without others having that imposed upon
them who don't want it, and respect that's what's missing.

(01:38:56):
You know, you have an opinion that's different someone else,
so you get abuse for it, where you get ridiculed
for it. But if there was respect for the rights
of everyone to have their view and lifestyle, then let's

(01:39:18):
say I don't agree with you, but I support your
right to say it, even though it differs from what
I believe. Respect is what's missing. And if we had
that and we're willing to accommodate other views and other

(01:39:41):
lifestyles in terms of them happening, then we live in
a different world. M probably time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
It's so interesting because as we talking about conspiracy and
the word, a quote came to mind from one of
my favorite books, which is The Alchemist, which says, when
you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you
achieve it. And the last question I'll ask you, David,
is really about your legacy and what you feel is

(01:40:19):
still driving you on despite all the pushback that you've received,
and that is that you've said that there's an energetic
field around you that you never feel alone, that's always
there to support what if you fell into. Is that
energetic field that maybe you can't see with your eyes
or perhaps you have, that is still supporting this call

(01:40:43):
to the message that you're here to bring through for humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Well, it's like it's like everything. You come to conclusions
about how things are, but then as they say, there's
eating the pudding, there's watching it play out and see

(01:41:10):
if what you've concluded is is the way things are happening.
So I felt when I had my massive awakening in
nineteen nineteen ninety one that there was some force that
was pushing me on. But what you then have to

(01:41:36):
do is see how it plays out. And when I
look back over thirty six years now, information insight has
been put in front of me endlessly, constantly, as I've

(01:42:01):
gone deeper and deeper in a rabbit hole, and every
time I think, well, maybe this is as far as
I'll go in this life, it goes deeper and goes
deeper and goes deeper, and it's still going deeper, deeper
and deeper and deeper. I've just finished out a book
that you're nearly finished it, which goes deeper deeper still.

(01:42:22):
And so there is, it would seem, from my experience,
some force that wants to get this information out, and
it's working through those people who are willing to do it,

(01:42:42):
because it's no good being a colder sack of knowledge.
I mean, you know people say knowledge is power. No
it's not. The use of knowledge is power, knowledge that
you don't use nice one, I am. And so those
people that are willing to to circulate this information, that

(01:43:07):
are willing to to work to to uncover it with help,
it seems they they're the ones that will get the information.
And also, again, I've had this insatable desire to know

(01:43:31):
who am I, where am I? What is this place?
What's going on? How does it work? Why is this happening?
Why is that happening? And this interaction with the quantum
realm is also puts this information in front of me.
And therefore anyone can do it. Not about the chosen,
It's about those that choose to do it, to to

(01:43:54):
pursue these questions, and to to do it not conceptually,
but to do it because they mean it, and the
answers come they do. And so why do I keep going? Well,
because I'm not done yet, and I won't be done

(01:44:17):
until I leave this reality. Because you know, there's no
point when I will step back and retire. I might
do things in a different way as time moves on,

(01:44:37):
but I'll never retire. I'll never stop, not least because
I have this insatable desire to know. And also because
I have children and grandchildren, and I see all the
other children and grandchildren in the world, and I don't
want them to live in the reality the experience that

(01:44:58):
this force is planning for. And so what can I do.
I can put information front of people and then they
they decide what they think of it and whether to
act upon it. But the thought of not doing the
thought of just stopping and walking away and saying, you know,

(01:45:22):
I've done the bit, I'm retiring now, No, no way.
And you know, over the years, over the decades, I've
seen people come into this arena. I've seen them be
flavor of the month for a while and then disappear.
And you know, if you really do have a grasp

(01:45:43):
of what's planned, you don't walk away. It's impossible. I
find it impossible anyone. You can't walk away. You can't
walk away and get on with another life knowing what's coming.
And then every time you see the news and think,
oh God, there's another step on the road. No, you

(01:46:05):
do what you can for as long as you can.
And I've always been driven in that in that way,
and I still ask that I'm the driven. And we
I tell you when when I started out in nineteen
ninety there was no alternative media. It didn't exist. It's

(01:46:27):
a few disparate individuals different parts of the world. But
in those days I couldn't fill a phone booth with
interest in these subjects. Nothing. I was talking to handfuls
of people. Talked in New England, to five people in

(01:46:51):
someone's front room, talked to eight people in near Chicago one.
And this is what it was like. And you know,
people think, you know, the awakening should be faster. I
think that too, especially when we're looking down the barrel

(01:47:11):
of an oncoming AI. But the number of people awakening
a ning not awake now compared with nineteen ninety ninety
one is fantastic. And but what I feel is that
they have been not everyone, nothing like everyone, but large

(01:47:35):
numbers of them have been shall we say, I've been edded,
have been collectively edded by this takeover of the alternative media,
and they've been taken from the freeway into a cul
de sac. Paul politics is the answer, and they need

(01:47:57):
to get out of that coulder, sack fast and get
back on the bloody of the freeway and oh back
in the river. Whichever analogy you want to use, because
there's one hell of a lot more to know beyond
Donald Trump. M.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
David, it's such a pleasure to have this conversation with you.
I just wanted to acknowledge you for playing such a
huge role.