GR #192: Christy Olson, Guest #1
On the podcast, Christy Olson and I look back at our rants from episode one. 192 episodes later we reflect on some of the show’s most talked about celebs and shows. From the Real Housewives to The View to Lindsay Lohan. Between episodes and recaps this is the 266th show. That’s a lot of rants!
Thank you for supporting my show and Granny June. I'm so proud of my time spent crafting this show for you all. If no one reads this, I just want to know I am putting gratitude out into the world. I love you for listening. The ranting continues on Instagram @itsGrantsRants
On the podcast, Christy Olson and I look back at our rants from episode one. 192 episodes later we reflect on some of the show’s most talked about celebs and shows. From the Real Housewives to The View to Lindsay Lohan. Between episodes and recaps this is the 266th show. That’s a lot of rants!
Thank you for supporting my show and Granny June. I'm so proud of my time spent crafting this show for you all. If no one reads this, I just want to know I am putting gratitude out into the world. I love you for listening. The ranting continues on Instagram @itsGrantsRants
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Thank you for listening to Grant's rants. Yes, I entitled the episode Serious
Finale as I feel like this isa good place to end the show or
put it on pause, however youwant to refer to it. I have
been giving this a lot of thought, and this was not an easy decision.
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Those closest to me, I've beenasking for about a year now,
what do I do with Grant's rants? You know, taste change for me,
and I haven't been as committed towatching Housewives that I know that so
much of you tune in and havefollowed me since after Bus and I respect
that so much, and I justfell out of love with a lot of
the Housewives stuff, and I reallyhonestly felt tired of giving them free publicity
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and promotion. I didn't feel likeit was ever reciprocated, and I just
wasn't really necessarily necessarily something I wasin love with doing so much anymore.
And digging through page six was fun, but it definitely started to become a
tour and I never wanted it tobe. So basically, it was important
to me that this show was notleft out hanging, like whatever happened to
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that show? Are you doing that? Anymore. I wanted to put a
period at the end of the sentence. And that's why this is this last
episode is just so important to me. I'm going through a transition in my
life. I'm still producing podcasts fulltime, and that might have something to
do with why I want to moveon as well. It's kind of all
podcast all the time. I'm doinga lot of production work, and some
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of it is more pleasant than others, and I just feel a little burned
out on the podcast side. SoI think that this is, you know,
the right move for the show overall. And I really hated that I
was not consistent and that I've alwaysbeen consistent with this show. There were
times when I would sometimes only seepeople during the week when they came over
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to record grants frants. This wasa huge part of my social life and
I loved putting the panels together andthe holiday specials and I would create whole
parties around that show. I justloved that opportunity that I created before live
shows were really now you know athing that people make so much damn money
doing live shows. Now, that'scrazy, but I mean I wasn't the
first to do it, but it'sjust crazy to see how the industry has
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grown and change, and I've triedto reflect that with Grants Rants. We
had the one on one segment inthe first episodes for a while, and
we would profile different people, andthe show kind of evolved and changed,
as they should. These shows areliving, breathing things, and I just
think to how it started at theWest Hollywood Library and a glass conference room
with a snowball microphone, and howeven on that front that's changed, where
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the audio has changed and been improved, and that you had to take the
show virtual, and I don't lovethat I missed the in person. So
the show has evolved and changed forgood or for bad, or for a
different but I'm grateful for the opportunity. I never knew how this journey would
end, but I know that I'mgoing to go back to where it began
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with the my guest co host.So let's do it. Let the Ranting
begin broadcasting from New York, NewYork. It's Grants Rants Hollywood Talk.
On the podcast, Christy Olsen andI look back at our Rants from episode
one, one hundred and ninety twoepisodes later, we reflect on some of
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the shows most talked about celebrities andTV from the Real Housewives to the View
to Lindsay Lohan. Between episodes andrecaps. This is the two hundred and
sixty sixth show. That's a lotof rants. Let the ranting begin.
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I am joined by my first gueston the podcast, Christy Olson. Welcome
back to Grants Rants. Oh Grant, my gosh makes me so happy just
to hear you say that and openthe show that way. It just makes
my heart swell so good to behere with you. Thank you. You
know. I hate lasts, soI really in that viewing it as like
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a last thing, but like evenjust to like open it up one more
time and do you feel like,oh, it's just like and I don't
like goodbyes. I'm like this justreally live in the final one. Um
I think so, but um,one never knows. But yeah, it's
a it's a bittersweet feeling at thispoint. But I feel like where I
love a good bookend that I loveto start where we began. So I
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have to have you as the finalguest. I've always known that you would
be the final guest. Oh.It was such an honor to be the
very first guest. And I rememberway back in the day, out back
of the studio and after buzz inthe dark late at night after one of
our live shows, you're telling methat you were going to start this podcast,
And it was before podcasts were evenreally a thing, and you were
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the first person I knew who figuredout how to make it happen, and
who not only that but was consistentand built a real community. This was
right around the time when it wasjust celebrities starting up podcasts and it didn't
seem like anyone could do it anymore, and you really built a community of
I know you have these awesome listenersout there, some that I've been able
to engage with a little bit overmy time being on the show too,
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and what you built is just awesome. Grant. I have so much respect
for you. You've inspired me andso many of our friends for the last
several years on just being consistent andgiving yourself a voice. I just it's
such an honor to be here withyou for the last one. Thank you.
That means a lot to me.I mean, you know, you
are no stranger. You've been creatingyour own content long before I have been
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in the podcast game, So thatmeans a lot coming from you. Definitely
never with your consistency, my friend. Well, that's the thing, as
I haven't been able to be superconsistent with the show, and I talked
about it at the top, butyeah, I mean, I just it
was not something that I just wantedto leave out there as like, you
know, what ever happened to that, Like, this is not how I
wanted to do things. So Ifeel like this is a nice you know
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period or pin at the end ofthe sentence. Does the sentence continue?
I don't know, but I thinkthat this is going to be up for
a minute at least, so youknow, I am giving it my all
for the last episode here. Ialways knew that I wanted to go back
to the beginning and look at thetopics that we talked about. Our first
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episode was August twenty five, twentyfifteen, so this is a totally different
time than where we are now.The Kardashians were the only thing on page
six and the news, I mean, it was a very how can I
put this, like anemic time forpop culture? It was not, you
know, it was like Instagram washeavy, but like there wasn't like Hollywood
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reporting news and things weren't getting asmany clicks as they are now. I
mean, now you go to pagesix every other article, I'm not getting
his Real Housewives. I couldn't findtopics to talk about are on the Real
Housewives at the time. So Iwill say I'm very proud of the fact
that I've never broken my rule onthis podcast. No Kardashian hot topics.
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I love that, but well,you know, I feel like maybe we
still talk a little too much aboutthem. So for you to point out
that we're actually doing better as asociety and disseminating our attention to some other
reality TV families, I think isa great thing for all of us.
Yeah, the mother Chris over there, I mean, she owned the media
at that point, and it wasthat was literally old there was and I
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remember we talked about so many differentthings on this top podcast. Some of
the earlier episodes we talked about fastfood trends or something. We talked about
animal and holiday gifts. I remember, Yeah, I'm creative. Yeah.
Now it's just like, you know, so and so made an Instagram post
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and there's six articles about it.I mean, it's it's not any beefier
now, but there's just a lotof clickbait, a lot more of what
we're talking about as far as likeheadlines go, and that's just you know,
and that's still kind of empty.But I just would I would use
page six a lot for the show. And I also just got tired of
going through that list. And youknow, right now everything is about Giselle
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and Tom and it's just not somethingI'm interested in. Ill the Royal family,
the royals. Yeah, I slowlykind of stopped finding such interest in
these stories and I felt like theyjust were kind of so fleeting and there
really was anything to really sink ourteeth into. I would like things that
we would propose questions around and opposequestions or I should say and you know,
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think about a little bit. Yeah. The problem part of it,
too, is that the stories thatare out there right now are very empty.
You know, it was a bloggersaid this, someone's trying to get
attention, some jobo in Middle Americatrying to get attention by making up a
quote unquote rumor that no one eversaid, that never had any ounce of
validity to it, Right, Andnow it's to the point where some of
the reality shows that we love arehaving to acknowledge these quote unquote rumors,
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which again are not rumors. They'rejust lies made up by someone for attention.
Right, So when it gets tothe point where that's what the show
becomes about, it makes the newsvery weird. It makes it very difficult
to cover it and to even havecommentary about it when there's really no substance
there. Yeah. Yeah. Anotherthing I thought about while reflecting on these
this last episode is, you know, I A turning point for me was
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when I had Margaret Joseph when theReal House. I was in New Jersey
on and I couldn't really ask herquestions because everything was so filtered and we
couldn't really talk, and I didn'tfeel like I was being myself as far
as what I really wanted to say, because that's just that just you can't
really can't. I mean, thereare all these pr people and I was
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like, this to me, that'swhy I didn't really haven't booked a lot
of people on the show after thatbecause it just didn't appeal to me.
They can't say anything, you know, they can't confirm anything. And it
was also there are people on theBravo side who would make sure that podcasters
early on would not be able tobook Housewives. Um paged you Rob at
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Bravo TV. Um. She madesure that the certain podcasters wouldn't get Housewives
on and that was an issue.Yeah, that was an issue for me
because I was trying to build theshow and I knew the audience, I
knew who they wanted to hear from, and I wanted and you know,
have asked questions that not everyone elsewas asking, like the stuff that Andy
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the canned, questions that he'd readoff cards, like I just didn't want
to do that. But I neverhad the option really to really legitimately book
people, and that pissed me off. And now they've realized in these last
couple of years the powers because whatyou're saying, the power of these rumors
and these podcasters and these YouTubers whospend all day doing lives talking about Kathy
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Hilton and you know, you andI talked about these bitches long before,
you know what. So it's like, you know, I just kind of
like, Okay, I just didn'twant to play that game, and I
like to think that I have moreto give than just breaking down Housewives headlines.
Honestly, Yes, the networks havetaken so much more control. And
I think the people listening they canunderstand that if you think about a lot
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of people watch ninety Day Fiance.You know, around this time or a
few years later, I was doinga show called ninety Day Fiance News.
Daily every single day there was threeto four juicy stories about their personal lives,
not what was going on on theshow, but them going back and
forth with each other on social mediaand divorces and things coming up from their
past. And TLC did not appreciatethat very much. As we all know,
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some things got out about some oftheir high profile people that they've had
on the show that they've had tocancel some of the cast members, right,
And TLC doesn't want that, sothey really shut everybody down and started
controlling all the interviews that everyone wasdoing and that sort of thing. And
I think people could acknowledge that ifthey think about the things that would have
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come out a couple of years agoabout those cast members, is now they're
just really getting as sanitized version ininterviews and stuff like that. And the
alternative. The thing about that grantis that the alternative to it is someone
like you is going to have whatsomeone who is on a show a couple
of times, but who doesn't havea publicist, who's not in good with
the network, maybe somebody who hada bad experience on the show, or
who is willing to just spread liesabout other cast members to get their attention
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because they can't otherwise. And Iknow you and I don't play around in
that playground, So really that's notfun for me either. I mean I
to give like like these people,these side characters a platform, and you
know I don't. I just didn'tdo it for me. I don't enjoy
like all the drama around, thenitty gritty stuff that really doesn't matter for
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I don't know, it's just notI maybe I outgrew it, but I
enjoyed The Housewives and all these showsfor the absurdity of them. And we'll
get into it. But they've justI've said it so many times on this
show now, but they've just gottentoo serious for me to look real And
don't even mean real, like asin like this is not produced. It's
just like some of the stuff isjust like ugly behavior, and I'm just
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like it's just not entertaining to me. But anyway, let's turn to the
ugly behavior on the set of TheView back in twenty fifteen. We're gonna
go through the topics Christy and Icovered all those years ago and see where
we are today with these like here'swhat was hot like seven years I cannot
wait. I can't wait because Iremember just being so excited to talk about
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all of these things, and I'msure it'll be just as fun to take
a look back. So the Viewis the number one topic on Grant's rand,
so of course, I mean,you know, recurring. Yes,
I questioned in this our interview,in our first section for segment of the
FIST, I questioned if the Viewit would be considered like a GMA,
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like it'll just never get canceled,We'll just plug new people in, like
if this will just be on forever. And I'm starting to think that that's
what we're that's what we're getting here. What do you think? You know?
I think I would have said thattoo before the demise of the talk,
well, because the talk are stillaround. Which one got kitten in
all? Think Garcels got canceled thereal I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I
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think you know, of course,it was sort of the third one the
distance in the ratings and stuff.But if that one starting to fall off,
is the talk going to be next? And then ultimately the view as
well. I agree, But ofcourse we have to think here about the
advertisers. That's the number one drawnmoney more than an audience or you know,
what the media is talking about oranything else, and that is a
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reliable advertising kind of juggernaut for them. So that would be the biggest reason
why I think, Yeah, maybeyou are right, it'll never go away.
Yeah, it does well, unfortunately, and they I don't know,
The New York Times called it themost influential political show on television, so
that was like years ago, bythe way, where they're still that's still
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like they're leading with that. Yeah, UM, don't care. The view
is. I continue to look atclips and I'm just astounded by what happens
over there, and not in agood way. But the story in twenty
fifteen was Kelly Osborne was on.She offended the Latino community, including at
the time co host Rosie Perez.There was a comment about toilet cleaning related
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to Donald Trump, and I don'tknow if the Latino community, Yeah,
and I don't think we've really seenUm, what's her face, Kelly Osborne?
Since I don't think we've really hasshe recovered from this the last couple
of weeks, just because she's havingthis baby and she's talking about that.
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She's really hired a publicist. Shehad a huge fall from grace from e
Like, I don't see her onthese things. I don't consider her an
influence. So like we look atpeople like Paris Hilton who have really kind
of made it work for them andthey had almost like a cultural resurgence.
But Kelly, I don't know.I don't even know if I care well.
That whole fashion police thing I thinkhas a stigma in itself. You
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know, Juliana Rancic doesn't work anymoreeither. You know, that was really
kind of the height of all thesnark, right, we weren't we are
weren't supposed to like that kind ofthing anymore. So I think that didn't
do Kelly Osbourne any favors. Also, she did notably kind of take a
step back. I think she hassaid that on her own. Um,
but what did she even really dobefore that? You know, I was
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just watching something where they're talking aboutthe importance of the Osbournes and yeah it
was huge, and yeah they werehuge. There's like two seasons, right,
Oh that was that. Yeah,but it wasn't it wasn't long,
and it wasn't much and did shewas she able to really create anything out
of that? Even this view thingwas just a guest. She was just
there, you know, as aguest one day. Yeah. I don't
think that the Osbornes have any importancewhatsoever. I can't even imagine. I
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mean, the show itself was Iguess groundbreaking for reality TV as a genre,
but I mean the first celeb realityis what it sort of build as.
But I always think of a simplelife. Yeah, even if it
didn't come first. Sorry, Ithink of the whole celebriality on VH one
of like they had their their bigbrother version of real life. Real Life.
Yeah, that which is coming backin a few weeks. Actually,
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oh my god, is it?I did not know this? Yes?
Yes, can I remember? Ican only imagine the people on this.
I'm gonna call them losers, butI'll be I'll be nice. Who are
they going to find? You?The Surreal Life in twenty twenty two,
so they've already filmed it? Um? I wish I could remember some of
the names on. I want tosay Dennis Rodman's one of them, but
it's people who were interested in seeingYeah, because Rodman didn't he do celebrity
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big brother. I'm trying to think, like, yeah, he's done a
slew of that kind of There'll beplenty of people to Joe. He's busy
trying to fix Korea. So Idon't know if true. Well, we
were not forgiving of Kelly Osborne.We were very against these comments back then.
We were not team Kelly by anymeans. We both agreed that the
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view handles it really poorly. Igave Kelly the Sherry Shepherd Award for excellent
ignorant. I mean again, thisSherry Sheper has come a long way.
I'm happy for our show. Ireally torn her to pieces in the past,
but look, she's got her thinggoing. But there was for excellence
and ignorance because of her saying thatthe world was flat and not believing in
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science. This goes back now,almost twenty years ago, but that's where
that came from. But I'm youknow, Kelly really was ignorant for those
comments, so I stand by thatand what else is on here today?
Yeah, today. What is thefall out of this? I mean the
fallout for me is the mother isstill around, still trying hard, and
still getting canceled, and I wishshe would go away. She was on
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the five on Fox News. Ionly know this because it was on at
the gym. And now she's onthis whole anti woke campaign. And didn't
you say this week she wanted hermoney back from BLM, thousand dollars back
from the Black Lives Matter movement.She called it a scam. She's just
following in Pierce Morgan's footsteps. Yeah, you know my friends they're very tight,
you know, Yeah, why whythey don't do a show together.
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So she's yeah, she's burning everybridget she can find. I think,
and um, it is what itis. So the Osbourne's there, that's
the status. Any final thoughts onthis this topic from the view, I
mean, they made Rosie Perez andput her arm around Kelly and apologize r
tweets or something like this, Likeif I were Rosie, I'd still be
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mad about that. Yeah, andit didn't maybe realize that we don't hear
a ton from her anymore. AndI really liked her, It enjoyed her
quite a bit. So um,that's kind of what sticks me is like
where did she go? Like,don't don't run, don't run away,
come back, Rosie. I likethe view scared way. Another topic we
discussed was Kim Richards our girl.You and I know our mutually love her.
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I don't know many people let dowhat we do. And uh.
You did call her recent behavior thoughun indefensible at the time, and I
can understand why. She was arrestedtwice at Target for shoplifting. One of
them was over six hundred and twelvedollars worth of items in the dollars section
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walking out the door with it.We called her behavior rock bottom because this
was all alleged, but she washomeless, living out of her car.
She was hospitalized. There was rumorsshe was taken in by Kathy, and
then Kathy refused to help her publicintoxication. She previously kicked the cop at
the Beverly Hills Hotel, a personshe had kept eating everyone. The list
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goes on. Kim is a complicatedperson, but regardless, I still like
her. But yeah, Kim wasin big trouble at this time in twenty
fifteen. In August of twenty fifteenshe was. That's why it's so interesting
to take a look back at this, Like you said, rock Bottom,
and we've seen a lot of upsand downs from her over the years,
but it's nice to look at thisand go, hey, yeah, we
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don't hear a lot from her now, but also haven't heard about any of
this kind of stuff going on targettrips? Yeah, no, no.
And I have always just rooted forher so loudly, and I would love
to see her return to the show. But it seems like all that stuff
that went down was what really neededto happen. She really needed that.
That was the turning point for her, and the fact that we can sit
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here now and see her as kindof a success story right of sobriety and
that kind of thing, and wedon't know exactly what's going on with her.
She took up a little bit ofa hot mess. That's probably okay.
I think she might always be,but yeah, come to think of
it, there were there were somephotos a few months ago where she looked
a little messed up, but shewas out with Kathy, and you know,
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I assume that they're taking care ofher. She's so into her family
now, her grandkids and she hasall that. It reads like she has
a lot of joy in her lifenow and she certainly didn't back then,
So I'm happy for that for her. Well, at the time, she
was on the verge of a comeback. We talked about it on the first
episode. She was in Revenge fora little while, and then she was
I had a big role in theSharknado movie. So yeah, so she
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was like inching towards like, youknow, a little bit more like kind
of like like whether you like itor not, Kyle is trying to do
it in Hollywood, and I thinkmaybe Kim realized that it's just too much
in that. Hopefully she's I hopeKim is doing really well, and I
would love to see her on theshow, but I also feel like it's
probably best that for her own mentalhealth that she isn't because Lisa Renna has
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will have knives out ready to eather for lunch. Yeah, you know
what, that's a good point.Maybe we could hope for like a like
a three episode mini series of likeKathy and Kim go to Kalamazoo. I
don't know, like a simple lifestylething with just Kathy and Kim or something
that's a little more produced. They'redoing something like that with Louisanne and Ramona,
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right. I heard about that.I don't know where. I don't
even know what's happening with that andRoney legacy. I'm starting to think that
all these things are just lines forpublicity. I don't know. I mean,
I don't know. I'm starting toquestion everything going on with the only
stuff of it all. But Kathyis bragging about everything she's got going on
over there at NBC, and Iknow Paris's show and all that. That
is huge for Peacock Network. Soif if they can negotiate Kathy and Kimo,
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never forget I want to be aHilton, the reality show that Kathy
ran on NBC. Maybe she's stillthinking back to those days. I remember
I had to cancel. I wason vacation. I canceled dinner plans to
go and watch the episode live onNBC. I can still sing the theme
song, which I will not doon this episode. But yeah, Noah
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loved that. So maybe she stillhas deals. She stills first look deals.
Who knows. Yeah, you know, we don't have Kim anymore,
but we did get Kathy, soa fair substituted. Yeah, yeah,
I'll take it. Yeah yeah.It makes Kyle look kind and normal with
these two sisters, but it stilldoesn't make me enjoy Kyle anymore. I
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still can't say it, Kyle.I know you never cared for her.
No, no, And now it'sworse because now she feels like empowered.
She like thinks she's a favorite,she's a legacy. She's the one that's
been there since the beginning. Soshe's just even more audacious, and she's
got more money than she ever did. She doesn't have to bitch about any
of that. Yeah, yeah,I just I can't watch her. I
can't. Well. The next topicwas we were quite fired up over this
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one, especially you Ben Affleck,Jennifer Garner and this nanny remember this nanny,
Christine? I was, I wasZo Nanian. I don't know,
yeah, an absolutely nobody. Ohfunny how yo and funny how we still
don't know her name even though shewas trying us so hard? Is that
what I said back then? Yes? Yeah, we didn't even say her
name, so it took all arcof Grant's rands. I love that about
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us, Yeah, yeah, wedid it. Just now we'll say it
all these years later because there's nopower to it. But remember she was
on taking pictures of the drop topLEXI remember that. Yeah, but it
wasn't telling all of her friends thatthey were in love and the whole thing.
Mmm, very strange. People magazinedot com had it, they say
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claimed this article was updated in Septemberof twenty twenty two. Because I went
look, just spread the same oneI just read. I was like,
I was like, what is thisgate? Yes? I was like,
what happened that? The article isthe same. Yes, there's no new
details. How did that get bumped? Who does? Who is? What's
her face? Christine? No?Over there? Right? I was wondering
the same thing. I looked atthe same exact article this sporting But also
stuff popped up about what Jennifer Garnersaid later. I don't know that her
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comments were out yet when we right. Yeah, So now Jennifer has admitted
that, yeah, Ben did havea thing with the nanny and she didn't
know about it. It had noeffect on their divorce, was not the
cause of their divorce because she didn'tknow about it until later. And then
she admits that she was pissed andshe did not like that she had to
fire this woman out of her children'slives. Yeah, even more of a
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real mess. He thought it wasjust the nanny trying to attention for herself.
But like Jennifer Garner earns, sheearned some type of awards. We're
putting up with what she and continuesto put up with today. Yeah,
what else do is it? Wet? I wrote, we predicted we'd never
hear from her again. Yeah,pretty much. Did you look up what
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she's doing today? I tried,Well, I founded some distant article that,
according to her LinkedIn, she's inreal estate, surprise, surprise,
and probably trying to get on.Yeah, she's an assistant VP at a
large title company in LA. That'sthat's all I know. So I did
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not go to celebrity clients, sothere, Yeah, yeah she's And then
the last story we covered was ArielWinter from a Modern Family at the time,
her breast reduction. That we talkedabout her image with girls and all
that, and you know that wasthat's a different kind of topic for this
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show all these episodes later, Butyou know, I think we were celebrating
her from like making a decision.I was talking a lot about how women
We're not used to hearing women gettinga reduction in LA. If anything,
it's the opposite. So we werekind of like commented, how why that
was such a thing. Yeah,and she had just turned eighteen, and
she had dealt with so much withher emancipation from her mother, and she's
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still to this day now when welook back, man, what a mature
young woman. You know, allthat stuff that she went through as a
child. She is not the quintessentialchild starred nightmare story, not by any
means. And I just I reallyapplaud her. You know, she seems
like she's got a good head onour shoulders. She's in a relationship with
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her boyfriend. They moved out ofLA for privacy. I read in an
article like she knew to take herselfout of the scene. And you know,
she's happily in this relationship. SoI'm happy for her. I did.
I will say, like I googledher, and like every article is
still talking about her appearance. Theywere talking about what plastic surgery she's had
done, her hairstyle, her clothing, like it's still all about her appearance
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all these years later. She's grownup, you guys, She's grown up.
Of course her face is going tobe different at her whole you know,
she's a beautiful woman, and man, I can only assume that that
kind of commentary is probably so normalto her and how messed up is that.
You know, she's probably so usedto that and that's really sad.
(28:37):
Man. Yeah, but she's goingto be replacing Demilovado in this NBC sitcom
Hungry. So I don't know whatabout the kids that are in um an
anorexia recovery treatment program, right thatwas greenlit years ago? Yeah, I
suppose Denise issues probably put it onthe backbarder and now she's I'm going to
(29:00):
be in it. Apparently she's justserving as executive producer. So who knows?
Okay, okay today and we cancall and I'm calling her she I
mean, is that's an issue?I know she changed her problems sorry on
the instagram or they that's what Ilost. That's the last I heard.
That's what was on the instagram.So that's what we're going with here.
But yeah, I don't really knowwho knows on that front. That's what's
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happening with Demi. So yeah,that covered our first episodes worth of topic.
So we've got fresh ones. Areyou over this last one? To
wor? Well, that was somejuicy stuff, So twenty twenty two do
not disappoint? Well, we haveto talk about Lindsay. I mean,
it's just we've talked about Lindsay andmore than anybody else on this podcast.
(29:44):
I'm sure Lindsay or Brittany our otherfay. Lindsay Falling for Christmas, her
Netflix movie coming out in November tenth. The trailer has dropped. What are
your thoughts? Okay? Um?At first, I I have to be
honest, I was a little bitconcerned. I saw it on her Insta
and it just started rolling in myfeed, and so it took me a
(30:06):
second. I was like, whatis this? And then that scene where
she is on the mountain with thefiance as it's in just the first few
seconds, and it seems so cheeseballand low budget for a second, and
I was so sad. And thenjust immediately it takes a turn. You
get it. It's gonna be campy. I'm not a big Christmas movie,
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but I'm not a big movie personat all, not Christmas feel goodie movie
at all. I am now Iwill be on November tenth, right when
this one comes out. It looksso fun, it has so much heart.
She's playing the character that we wouldwant to see her play. It's
one we've seen her play a fewtimes before, but that's okay. And
I am just so freaking excited forthis grant to see her back on top
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and to know that she in herpersonal life is also doing great. This
is just one of a two picturedeal that she got it in Netflix,
so there's another one coming to whereshe's in Ireland and she's in love.
I just cannot wait. It lookslike she's happy to be there. Yeah,
and she looks great in the movie. I'm excited. I'll watch it
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regardless, like I'm I'm all in. And we've talked a lot about Lindsay's
career on this podcast and the trajectorythat it could take. Where is she
gonna end up? Will she everbe an Oscar winner? Is she ever
going to be treated seriously enough foractual, real roles that are nominated in
big Academy pictures and things like this, whatever, all those types of things.
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And I always said, like,if she could just get back into
some type of like film work thatwas not necessarily like on a hallmark level.
We saw her that lifetime movie,you know, with Liza Dick.
But if we can get past that, she could earn the trust of the
industry again and really be that amazingcomeback story. And I think that this
two picture deal is we're going upthe roller coaster again, and I feel
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really good about it for her.I saw her showing off those comedy chops,
you know, she always did thedrama thing great too. M What
was that Home George's or Sweet HomeGeorgia rule, Yes, thank you.
You know when I think we thoughtthat if she could get rid of her
trouble, she was on that trajectory, she can get back on it.
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This movie might not seem like,you know, the future Oscar Winner,
but it'll take some time. Well, we'll get comedic Lindsay back first,
and then I think, maybe,you know, a drama is in the
future. And if they could everget that Oprah show Lindsay streamable anywhere.
I know that's not good for her, probably for Oprah, probably for freaking
anybody, but I would just loveto rewatch it. And I promise not
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to think anything terrible about Lindsay.She's calm, as you and I have
waited for Lindsay the documentary series tocome back for so long. Yeah,
I just feel good about it.In general. I think that she can
really earn trust and get those insurancerates lower, you know, so that
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these studios will take her seriously andthey will want to invest in a Lindsay
low In picture. And I'm surethat the show this movie will do well
on Netflix, a Christmas movie alwaysdoes. Anyway, Everyone's gonna want to
see it. I think I know, I know that I'm gonna want to
see it because she's singing in thesong. He's got a new song,
jingle Bell Rock. So yes,oh, oh my gosh. I want
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to say that. I play theAliana Loween Christmas album, which is absolutely
atrocious and unlistenable. I play thatevery year. It pisses off my whole
family. I love it as areading from Dina and then before Christmas one
and I just I love it.So a Lohan is coming out with new
Christmas music like this, I alreadyknow this is gonna be the song of
(33:42):
the season for me. Yes,it's playing in the trailer. I don't
think Lindsay has like an incredible voice. I don't think her strength is vocals,
but I don't care. I amlike ready to hear over Santa Baby.
I was always just as big asa fan of her music as of
her movie, and I can probablysing along every single word to every song
on both albums, so I amdown for that. And I forgot about
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Ali's Christmas album, but I'm goingto add it to the rotation of my
end sync home for Christmas. ThatChristina Aguilera Christmas album. By the way,
I love that one. Beautiful.Yeah, But anyway, I just
excited for this. Her sister Aliis going to be in the movie and
of course music, so I canonly hope that Dina is not that far
behind. Similar to Parent Trap,I hope that Dina is sitting by a
(34:30):
pool in the background doing background workor an under five. You know,
Dina had to be on that setfor some reason, so I hope that
she gets her moment in the sun, and then I will feel like nature
is healing. I will feel sogood if there's a Dina cameos somewhere.
I will be looking and I hateto be those people who are talking about
the actress's looks, but also Lindsaylooks absolutely fantastic, and I think for
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someone like her, again, that'swhat we've always all talked about, and
that's been the focus. So I'mgoing to start it by saying something super
positive of that she has just neverlooked better. Yeah, I'm excited for
it, and I'm excited for thenarrative to change around her a little bit.
I mean, all these girls havegrown up. I've touched so much
on this podcast about the Paris Lindsay, Brittany, you know infamous picture in
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the car and you know Brittany hasways one too. I love that I
got my car shield just like Grandman. Oh good guy, I still have
my car shield here shout out toNick, my listener the podcast and bought
that to be God bless you.Oh you guys have been so great versup
pointing this show. I'm oh,thank you. But um, Paris Lindsay
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Brady, I talked so much aboutthat. You know, Britney's gonna way
ways to go, but you knowshe's finding her way and reclaiming her body
and her independence. Paris seems tobe happily married and somehow relevant more than
ever. Yeah, going anywhere anytime. So did you watch Paris and love
and for a reason, you know. Yeah, and then Lindsay's you know,
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coaching the big time again. Soour girls are doing good. That's
all that makes me so happy.So let's transition to a little bit of
housewives talk, also a big whatcan I say, a big tent pole
of the show. I mean,that's I know who's listening now? Are
you watching the Salt Lake City Housewives. I tuned in for the first episode
(36:24):
of the season, but I willnot be watching. Just like last season.
I watched season one religiously. Iwas so into it, and then
two they really lost me just again. Too much, too much turmoil,
too much useless arguing, too muchdinner parties to have a dinner party about
the last dinner party, and Ijust couldn't get into it. So I
watched the reunion, and that's whatI fully intend on doing this season as
(36:46):
well. First episode reunion. I'msure I'm still gonna get it all,
and in the meantime, I willhave everything being spilled out in real time
in entertainment news, so I don'teven feel like I'm missing anything. Yeah,
that's the way to do it now. I mean, honestly, if
I want to get caught up bywatch a reunion and I'm like, oh
great, there's the highlights of thewhole season, and it's definitely like a
great cheat sheet. I don't knowwhy more people haven't going on to this,
(37:07):
but I mean I get it because, like I'm looking for more mindless
entertainment. I realize, like I'vebeen watching much TV. I need to
watch more TV. Actually, Iwork a lot, and I just haven't
had much opportunity. I don't Ihave a job that doesn't allow me much
flexibility, so I just haven't beenable to really stick to anything. But
(37:29):
I need to watch more. SoI actually watched the most recent two episodes
leading up to the reunion of theBeverly Hills Housewives, so I did look
at those. But I will sayI watched the first episode of Salt Lake
City this season, and I watchedhalf of the second episode. So far,
I have to watch everything in likeinstallments. But yeah, I mean
(37:50):
I enjoy the show. But yeah, I mean it's like there's there's a
lot of contrived things to create conversationand it's not as natural. I liked
the actual moments, Like there's there'sa lot of stuff going out with Whitney
that seems really real, and thenyou've got these other scenes like the like
Coach Shaw's birthday party that was sodone for the show, and it's just
(38:12):
like it's it's just it's lost itsauthenticity to me, yes, and all
that stuff that we were just gettingfor the first time, Coach Shaw's first
birthday party, the first time Jenhad a meltdown on camera, all that
stuff. You're just gonna take itat face value the first time. You're
like, Okay, this must beauthentic, this must be them. But
then happens again the second season again, and the third season, it's like
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this is contrived it. That's mybiggest problem with Salt Lake City Housewives is
Jen Shaw. And I wasn't surethat she was gonna get the second season
after she was just so deliberately doingeverything for the camera's season one, and
then she got indicted, right ofcourse, and now there's a story they're
not they're not letting her go anytimesoon, of course, but I just
she honestly kind of ruins it forme as much as she's probably bringing in
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viewers now for this season and askedto me, that's sort of why I'm
gone, Yeah, I don't enjoyher. I mean, I'm going to
see how this shakes out. Whenyou know, I haven't written down here
they changed her sentencing date to Decemberfifteenth, I mean, like, wake
me up when it happens, likeyou know, I mean as nothing else
to really say. She's not goingto admit to anything all season as we
(39:20):
know, you know, the lawyersin her ears, so like I just
don't know, like what the pointof it all is. She's not going
to come clean, and when we'veseen her be fake contrite before, we've
seen her be fake sorry before,and this statement that she released when she
changed her plea where she finally istaking responsibility, you know, as soon
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as she is sentenced, and ifshe does get off of everything, it's
going to be right back to partylife. I didn't do anything. I
didn't do anything. I didn't knowI didn't I'm innocent, innocent, innocent,
innocent until proven guilty. Because withthis way, I don't know,
you know, she can necessarily getlike a straight guilty thing now that she's
planned out or whatever it is.So I don't expect to see the contrition
from her that we're reading about,in this statement, and I need some
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from her. You know, there'sa big, there's a glaring difference between
this situation and the Erica Jade situation. And to me, it's that we
know jen Shaw did things she's admittingnow to doing things that are not only
illegal, but are unethical and justare just downright not very nice. And
that's what I think of her asa person. And as far as Erica
goes, I know a lot ofpeople we're seeing through this now, but
(40:29):
she could be one innocent on everythingthat anyone said about her that she's done
wrong, because it's very different fromjen Oh interesting perspective. Yeah, I
mean I still don't really care forErica, but I mean there's a chance,
you know she you know, thedifferent crimes or different women, right
(40:50):
right. I don't enjoy Erica,but I saw the clips to this season
and the behavior, and I meanit kind of checks out with what I
thought. But I don't really careabout her, to be honest with did
even give her much more of mytime? Erica, I don't have any
sympathy for her myself. No,I was unable to really care about Erica
had been my favorite before all thissort of went down, and I have
(41:12):
remained supporting her, but just noneof them really interest me. Deren has
gotten more likable, but there justisn't anyone again. They're all kind of
putting putting airs on and we haveto go back, go way back to
Orange County and even Beverly Hills.When it first started, it was just
such a different show about their familiesand about their real lives, and now
it's about their lives as real housewivesinstead of being about their real lives.
(41:37):
And then Sarna brought that element inand that, yeah, that's she's like.
I think she's just a horrendous personin this show. I don't know
if this is who she is inreal life, if she's playing the producer
puppet game. But I mean,I watched the whole thing between Kathy and
(41:57):
Kathy and Kyle and then Lisarenna camein, and I'm team Kathy on this
one, so I'm on team fellon that side. I haven't seen it
all play out, but no onehas because it wasn't on camera, so
stupid, we have to believe allthis so we didn't see her here.
And also even if you haven't seenit, as I haven't, being a
huge fan of the show, andof those women, I'm still not going
(42:20):
to bother to watch it. I'veread about every scene, I've read every
comment that happened in the show,and now everything they have to say now
like I know the story. I'vewatched it play out even without having to
watch the show. That is aproblem for producers. The other problem is
Lisa Rinna. Has she crossed thethreshold now into being a liability, Like,
yes, you can expose things,and yes you can cause drama,
and you can get your name inthe press, and that can be great
(42:43):
for the show and it can bringmore eyes to the show. I think
it's getting to the point with Lisawhere, especially if she ruins Kathy Hilton
for Bravo and for NBC and forPeacock, she's going to be in trouble
and she's going to become a biggerliability than she is an asset. She's
in danger of that. To me, Yeah, there's that rum where she's
trying to get two million dollars forher salary next year. I mean,
what's her worth? I really don'tcare for her. And I loved Lisa
(43:07):
rind on Soap Talk, and Igotta kick on her. In the beginning,
I was there for the ride.Did she take any job? She
was just you know, hustler inHollywood. I mean, you know,
it was relatable, it was funnyand now made very serious. It's like
she's just not who she once was. And what one scene she's crying over
her mother. The next scene she'sgot a smirk on her face watching Kathy
(43:30):
and Kyle go at it. It'slike, it's not right. You know.
I just really can't follow her anymore. I don't care to. I
think I actually unfollowed her on Instagrama big deal, but still. And
then I was, we're talking aboutyou mentioned like oc in the first season
of Beverly Hills and these things theseshows have changed. Like I showed my
(43:52):
mother the trailer for the reunion,the season twelve reunion and the music and
the rewinding the tape, and it'svery very dark and dramatic and set up
with high stakes. You get Kylebasically begging to Andy to let her leave.
She said, I'm not okay rightnow, and I was like,
there's something really gross about this.I don't revel in this drama. If
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they trying to be like Game ofThrones, like where are we going with
this? Why does it have tobe so cutthroat? And then they cut
to them having silly conversations. It'slike, you can't it can't be both.
The show itself, to me,is not that dramatic, but the
marketing of it. They're they're makingthese women not only they pit against each
(44:36):
other, they're making it like likea survival and this this and these edits,
And I think it's so disgusting thatKyle us to look to Andy is
if she's for permission, if shecan get up and leave. That's gross.
Yeah, it also said something aboutKyle and how much her position means
to her and how much her youknow, uh, this self worth is
related is tied to being a realitystar and tied to doing you know what
(44:59):
Andy in the network wants her todo. But you're right, it's not
fun anymore. No, there's nofun, and the fun is all contrived
anyway, you know. I mean, And the whole thing with the House
Lives culture has gotten so like magnified, Like that Hunky Dory line from last
season, like that is now everywhere, Like it's I don't know that it's
(45:21):
like we would laugh at these littlemoments. We would do after buzz and
we you know, say did youcatch this? And then we'd move on.
But now everything is iconic, legendary, and they're using these things to
get higher salaries, to tear eachother down more, and it's like it's
they're jealous of each other's success.I feel because of these little moments and
this is not the show I signedup to watch. I really have to
(45:42):
say, I loved the first seasonof Beverly Hills, and this is just
it's crossed the line for me.It has you know, in the pro
wrestling world, there's a saying,well, I guess they probably say this
in every industry, but the inmatesrunning the asylum, and doesn't it sort
of feel like it used to beagain about the housewives, about a group
(46:05):
of women who were friends in acity, and now it's about the real
housewives, right like like now thatthe capital capital h Yeah, it's about
and every reality show goes through this. They got to that point on after
you know, the first couple ofseasons of the Kardashians, the Hills,
even vander Pump Rules where they becomefamous and then the narrative has to change
(46:28):
because that's a big part of theirlife is that everyone knows them now.
And yeah, I totally agree.We've got Tamera coming back to OC and
I enjoy her. But we'll seehow much producing is going to happen here
again. Her whole identity hasn't wrappedaround being a real housewife. Taylor Armstrong
is so proud of herself for makingthis transition. Well, I don't know
(46:49):
if it's warranted, but we're gettingit. Um Listen, Tanra needed this
time out. She was getting indanger of going into the Lisa rinizone,
yes, little bit right. Sheneeded to kind of get sat back down
and go, hey, remember whathappened to Gretchen. Okay, you take
a time out for a couple ofseasons. Yeah, all right, But
they've become careers, like you weresaying, though, these are career like
(47:13):
literally, Taylor's like switching like brancheslike at a bank, you know what
I mean. Like, these aretheir jobs. It's about them as real
housewives. That's weird. It isweird. And with Taylor, I mean
she yeah, we watched her gether job back right on Real Housewives Ultimate
Girls Trip. I mean I watchedthat and thought there's no way that she's
not getting recast on the show.Yeah, And I think Rhugt is part
(47:38):
of this whole vehicle now where thehousewives are becoming bigger than the show.
Yea, the actual women are becomingbigger and Tamara, some of the things
that she has said in interviews sinceshe's been fired makes me think that she
has had this sort of epiphany.She gets it now that she's gotten out
of the bubble a little a littlebit, she's not taking it as seriously.
She wants to be more authentic andthe show OC really really needs that.
(48:01):
So true. Yeah, I agreebeyond I don't know what they're gonna
do with that show. I hopethat Tamra can somehow like bring it back
down to earth, but they've stillgot that Gina and that Emily on there,
and they've still got Heather do Browon there. I don't know.
I don't know what the feature ofthat show is, but I will definitely
(48:22):
be continuing to peek at it andsee how it goes. And I want
to see the shows do well,but they've got to come down to earth
a little bit, and they're wayoverproduced, and like you said, these
housewives are taking themselves way too seriouslyand they're having to compete for contracts.
And Ultimate Girls Trip as great asit is, but now what they brought
(48:44):
these women back, not all ofthem, but some of them. That's
gonna be, like you said,a vehicle and they're gonna go in there
and those women are gonna push sohard. I mean, Dorinda was really
like cringe in that and now theyknow that there's a secret saw to that
in a success record. Oh,it's gonna be faker than ever. Oh
(49:07):
no, Yeah, I'm concerned forthe third season of that one, especially
just some of the stuff we've heardit already sounds like antics for the cameras.
Yeah right, yeah, well butthey're fussily Vicky's coming into Since we
have Tamber back and Shannon's still there, we're gonna get some kind of trace
Amiga's they were seeing filming just inthe last like week or so. Yeah,
(49:29):
and it sounds like Vicky isn't We'renot gonna see much of Vicky,
but if we could at least getthat. And Vicky did that to herself
again, how Taylor made herself onUltimate Girls Trip? VICKI killed herself.
I think Vicky has a place onthat show at all times. I don't
know why they did what they did. I think that she is the og
of the OC, og of thewhole thing. I think that there should
(49:50):
at least be a pity position outof respect. I love Vicky still.
I know it's controversial, but gether back on the show, because that
was they like Kelly Doddsons at othertime in her podcast, like they literally
are all real friends, like they'reall off the show but real and the
people who are on the show arenot all connected and real friends. Like
(50:14):
one of these things is not likethe other. And so I want to
see OC get back to some versionof authenticity, and for me, I
think that has Vicky in it.M oh Man, well, I am
going to be excited. I cantell you what. I will not be
watching only the first episode and thereunions of OC. No matter what.
There's nothing they could do to tomake me not watch every single episode of
(50:36):
We had Megan King Edmunds on rightOC one year right, and I remember,
and then husband and Jim Edmonds,yes, and after buzz and I
remember when it was her first episode, this thirty year old remember was uh
um, Megan, who's had quitean interesting love story of man to say
the least. But I remember yousaid we're in and afterwards you were introduced
(51:00):
to Megan Megan with an H,and I always spells her name right because
of that. I don't know whythat sticks out to me. Megan with
an H miss thirty year old Shannon, remember her. I I don't throw
parties. I create charities or something. I start charities. Megan. Well,
what sticks in my mind from Meganand Jim coming in the studio was
(51:21):
how in love I thought they were. After that, I was like,
Oh, they are so genuine,they are so real, They're really love.
Vicky's wrong, They're not going tobe divorced in five years like they
were so legit in love. Howcute house we Oh my god, yeah,
oh my god? Is right?Yeah a nail head Vicky Boom.
(51:42):
Yeah. True. We must talka little bit about Amanda Bines, another
figurehead of this podcast in certain ways. Whenever there was an update, we
would always give her our best,and now it looks like she's going to
be a manicurist. She's thirty sixyears old, she's finding her way.
She navigated Hollywood until I didn't serveher anymore in multiple ways, and now
(52:05):
she's you know, finding her nextact. What do you think while it
was fashion first, right, shewent to fit them and graduated there,
which is a huge feat for her, and it sounded like she was going
to start a fashion line. Andnow she's into doing nails. She posted
this photo on Instagram showing that she'sin nails school kind of showed up the
classroom and stuff and her friends,which is just so Again we keep talking
about relatability, like just the Amandaminds just in like a school classroom with
(52:30):
some other people probably who are soyoung that they don't even know to give
her the respect that she deserves.So I love that she's not open with
us. But you know what,I'm ready, Like, I'm ready to
wear the fashions. I'm ready towear the Amanda Binds nails, Like I
want to be the first client upthe salon, Like, let's get her,
Let's get her on the job finally, you know, out of school
(52:51):
and on the job. I'm ready, a man, if she's well enough,
she has an opportunity to make alot of money and to build a
big brand for herself and I meanthe tweets are still being printed on T
shirts and bugs, and I mean, like people know who she is,
and I would love to see herjust like just do something that would be
like a full circle moment kind oflike what we're talking about with Lindsay,
(53:12):
where there's at least some like andnot a comeback, but like I'm creatively
fulfilled everyone or like you know,I'm doing good. You know, I
want to see these people do well. Being her being good now feels like
a comeback, right, Like italmost feels full circle that she's not saying
the kinds of things she was saying. She was really somebody who we couldn't
have supported for a while there,and was really someone who was hurting other
(53:37):
people, and now now she's justlooking for joy for herself and really has
found it. And I think thatcan be inspirational for a lot of people.
Yeah, on word, So Ithink that pretty much comers all of
it. We talked about the viewa little, just you know, Brittany
Housewives, Paris all of the greatesthits. So I feel I feel good
(53:59):
about all our favy fhaves. Ithink I said that a couple of times,
but all our all our girls.Yeah, well, I hope that
I can continue to guest on somepodcast and give my thoughts and opinions.
I still have a lot to stayout there about, you know, the
soaps and some of the housewives andthings like that, so hopefully I can
still pop up on some other podcastsand we'll always see what happens next.
(54:22):
I know I'm developing something myself thatI want to do that's different than this,
but I'm always looking for creative gratification, a good balance of things.
So I enjoy you know, rantingand a lot of conteam to do so
on Instagram and the like, andwe'll see where things go from there.
But yeah, thanks for being mylast guest for now. Well, Grant,
(54:45):
thank you for giving me an outletover the years to talk about everybody
that I love and give my opinionand to meet your awesome audience here and
again, I just want to congratulateyou on having built Grants Rants in to
an awesome, very highly rated podcast. Um, whatever you do, I
(55:06):
hope to be able to do italong with you, because you are my
absolute favorite person to sit and talkwith on the air. I have grown
a lot as a host because ofyou and have been so inspired over the
years. Well but you sip anat it. Man, You're You're the
best. I don't know if hustleris I mean it in a in a
positive way. You are like thehard and chorust hardest working, most determined
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person I know. And just overthe years I have always looked at you
and thought, RANT keeps going andI can keep going. To thank you,
Well, I to think I'm quiteresilient, and that's you know,
I appreciate. I mean, itgives me more more energy to put towards
that resiliency that is needed and youknow, whatever is next. So thank
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you for that. Yeah. Um, just really grateful for, you know,
every opportunity that I had to getthe show in front of new people.
I did a lot of guest workon other shows I would come back
to after Buzz and do that.I appreciate all the guests that I have.
Almost all of them were ris fullShade. Almost all of them are
really great, and I really appreciatedthat I got to have that. I
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put together my own live show andpeople came out to that and that was
a really great experience. And Ireally used the show as an experiment for
so many different things. There wasa time where I was an assistant and
I really didn't have a lot ofcreative gratification, and I wanted to really
see where this could go. AndI just totally invested myself in creating an
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audience and building an audience, andthat's what happens. So you know,
I'm grateful to everyone. They eventhose who have listened from the beginning who
are still here in the last episode, and those have come on in between.
And I say it all the time, I love you for listening.
Thank you for listening to Grants Rants. This has been Grants Rants followed Grants
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Thank you for listening to Grant's rants. Yes, I entitled the episode Serious
Finale as I feel like this isa good place to end the show or
put it on pause, however youwant to refer to it. I have
been giving this a lot of thought, and this was not an easy decision.
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Those closest to me, I've beenasking for about a year now,
what do I do with Grant's rants? You know, taste change for me,
and I haven't been as committed towatching Housewives that I know that so
much of you tune in and havefollowed me since after Bus and I respect
that so much, and I justfell out of love with a lot of
the Housewives stuff, and I reallyhonestly felt tired of giving them free publicity
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and promotion. I didn't feel likeit was ever reciprocated, and I just
wasn't really necessarily necessarily something I wasin love with doing so much anymore.
And digging through page six was fun, but it definitely started to become a
tour and I never wanted it tobe. So basically, it was important
to me that this show was notleft out hanging, like whatever happened to
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that show? Are you doing that? Anymore. I wanted to put a
period at the end of the sentence. And that's why this is this last
episode is just so important to me. I'm going through a transition in my
life. I'm still producing podcasts fulltime, and that might have something to
do with why I want to moveon as well. It's kind of all
podcast all the time. I'm doinga lot of production work, and some
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of it is more pleasant than others, and I just feel a little burned
out on the podcast side. SoI think that this is, you know,
the right move for the show overall. And I really hated that I
was not consistent and that I've alwaysbeen consistent with this show. There were
times when I would sometimes only seepeople during the week when they came over
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to record grants frants. This wasa huge part of my social life and
I loved putting the panels together andthe holiday specials and I would create whole
parties around that show. I justloved that opportunity that I created before live
shows were really now you know athing that people make so much damn money
doing live shows. Now, that'scrazy, but I mean I wasn't the
first to do it, but it'sjust crazy to see how the industry has
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grown and change, and I've triedto reflect that with Grants Rants. We
had the one on one segment inthe first episodes for a while, and
we would profile different people, andthe show kind of evolved and changed,
as they should. These shows areliving, breathing things, and I just
think to how it started at theWest Hollywood Library and a glass conference room
with a snowball microphone, and howeven on that front that's changed, where
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the audio has changed and been improved, and that you had to take the
show virtual, and I don't lovethat I missed the in person. So
the show has evolved and changed forgood or for bad, or for a
different but I'm grateful for the opportunity. I never knew how this journey would
end, but I know that I'mgoing to go back to where it began
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with the my guest co host.So let's do it. Let the Ranting
begin broadcasting from New York, NewYork. It's Grants Rants Hollywood Talk.
On the podcast, Christy Olsen andI look back at our Rants from episode
one, one hundred and ninety twoepisodes later, we reflect on some of
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the shows most talked about celebrities andTV from the Real Housewives to the View
to Lindsay Lohan. Between episodes andrecaps. This is the two hundred and
sixty sixth show. That's a lotof rants. Let the ranting begin.
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I am joined by my first gueston the podcast, Christy Olson. Welcome
back to Grants Rants. Oh Grant, my gosh makes me so happy just
to hear you say that and openthe show that way. It just makes
my heart swell so good to behere with you. Thank you. You
know. I hate lasts, soI really in that viewing it as like
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a last thing, but like evenjust to like open it up one more
time and do you feel like,oh, it's just like and I don't
like goodbyes. I'm like this justreally live in the final one. Um
I think so, but um,one never knows. But yeah, it's
a it's a bittersweet feeling at thispoint. But I feel like where I
love a good bookend that I loveto start where we began. So I
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have to have you as the finalguest. I've always known that you would
be the final guest. Oh.It was such an honor to be the
very first guest. And I rememberway back in the day, out back
of the studio and after buzz inthe dark late at night after one of
our live shows, you're telling methat you were going to start this podcast,
And it was before podcasts were evenreally a thing, and you were
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the first person I knew who figuredout how to make it happen, and
who not only that but was consistentand built a real community. This was
right around the time when it wasjust celebrities starting up podcasts and it didn't
seem like anyone could do it anymore, and you really built a community of
I know you have these awesome listenersout there, some that I've been able
to engage with a little bit overmy time being on the show too,
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and what you built is just awesome. Grant. I have so much respect
for you. You've inspired me andso many of our friends for the last
several years on just being consistent andgiving yourself a voice. I just it's
such an honor to be here withyou for the last one. Thank you.
That means a lot to me.I mean, you know, you
are no stranger. You've been creatingyour own content long before I have been
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in the podcast game, So thatmeans a lot coming from you. Definitely
never with your consistency, my friend. Well, that's the thing, as
I haven't been able to be superconsistent with the show, and I talked
about it at the top, butyeah, I mean, I just it
was not something that I just wantedto leave out there as like, you
know, what ever happened to that, Like, this is not how I
wanted to do things. So Ifeel like this is a nice you know
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period or pin at the end ofthe sentence. Does the sentence continue?
I don't know, but I thinkthat this is going to be up for
a minute at least, so youknow, I am giving it my all
for the last episode here. Ialways knew that I wanted to go back
to the beginning and look at thetopics that we talked about. Our first
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episode was August twenty five, twentyfifteen, so this is a totally different
time than where we are now.The Kardashians were the only thing on page
six and the news, I mean, it was a very how can I
put this, like anemic time forpop culture? It was not, you
know, it was like Instagram washeavy, but like there wasn't like Hollywood
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reporting news and things weren't getting asmany clicks as they are now. I
mean, now you go to pagesix every other article, I'm not getting
his Real Housewives. I couldn't findtopics to talk about are on the Real
Housewives at the time. So Iwill say I'm very proud of the fact
that I've never broken my rule onthis podcast. No Kardashian hot topics.
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I love that, but well,you know, I feel like maybe we
still talk a little too much aboutthem. So for you to point out
that we're actually doing better as asociety and disseminating our attention to some other
reality TV families, I think isa great thing for all of us.
Yeah, the mother Chris over there, I mean, she owned the media
at that point, and it wasthat was literally old there was and I
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remember we talked about so many differentthings on this top podcast. Some of
the earlier episodes we talked about fastfood trends or something. We talked about
animal and holiday gifts. I remember, Yeah, I'm creative. Yeah.
Now it's just like, you know, so and so made an Instagram post
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and there's six articles about it.I mean, it's it's not any beefier
now, but there's just a lotof clickbait, a lot more of what
we're talking about as far as likeheadlines go, and that's just you know,
and that's still kind of empty.But I just would I would use
page six a lot for the show. And I also just got tired of
going through that list. And youknow, right now everything is about Giselle
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and Tom and it's just not somethingI'm interested in. Ill the Royal family,
the royals. Yeah, I slowlykind of stopped finding such interest in
these stories and I felt like theyjust were kind of so fleeting and there
really was anything to really sink ourteeth into. I would like things that
we would propose questions around and opposequestions or I should say and you know,
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think about a little bit. Yeah. The problem part of it,
too, is that the stories thatare out there right now are very empty.
You know, it was a bloggersaid this, someone's trying to get
attention, some jobo in Middle Americatrying to get attention by making up a
quote unquote rumor that no one eversaid, that never had any ounce of
validity to it, Right, Andnow it's to the point where some of
the reality shows that we love arehaving to acknowledge these quote unquote rumors,
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which again are not rumors. They'rejust lies made up by someone for attention.
Right, So when it gets tothe point where that's what the show
becomes about, it makes the newsvery weird. It makes it very difficult
to cover it and to even havecommentary about it when there's really no substance
there. Yeah. Yeah. Anotherthing I thought about while reflecting on these
this last episode is, you know, I A turning point for me was
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when I had Margaret Joseph when theReal House. I was in New Jersey
on and I couldn't really ask herquestions because everything was so filtered and we
couldn't really talk, and I didn'tfeel like I was being myself as far
as what I really wanted to say, because that's just that just you can't
really can't. I mean, thereare all these pr people and I was
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like, this to me, that'swhy I didn't really haven't booked a lot
of people on the show after thatbecause it just didn't appeal to me.
They can't say anything, you know, they can't confirm anything. And it
was also there are people on theBravo side who would make sure that podcasters
early on would not be able tobook Housewives. Um paged you Rob at
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Bravo TV. Um. She madesure that the certain podcasters wouldn't get Housewives
on and that was an issue.Yeah, that was an issue for me
because I was trying to build theshow and I knew the audience, I
knew who they wanted to hear from, and I wanted and you know,
have asked questions that not everyone elsewas asking, like the stuff that Andy
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the canned, questions that he'd readoff cards, like I just didn't want
to do that. But I neverhad the option really to really legitimately book
people, and that pissed me off. And now they've realized in these last
couple of years the powers because whatyou're saying, the power of these rumors
and these podcasters and these YouTubers whospend all day doing lives talking about Kathy
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Hilton and you know, you andI talked about these bitches long before,
you know what. So it's like, you know, I just kind of
like, Okay, I just didn'twant to play that game, and I
like to think that I have moreto give than just breaking down Housewives headlines.
Honestly, Yes, the networks havetaken so much more control. And
I think the people listening they canunderstand that if you think about a lot
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of people watch ninety Day Fiance.You know, around this time or a
few years later, I was doinga show called ninety Day Fiance News.
Daily every single day there was threeto four juicy stories about their personal lives,
not what was going on on theshow, but them going back and
forth with each other on social mediaand divorces and things coming up from their
past. And TLC did not appreciatethat very much. As we all know,
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some things got out about some oftheir high profile people that they've had
on the show that they've had tocancel some of the cast members, right,
And TLC doesn't want that, sothey really shut everybody down and started
controlling all the interviews that everyone wasdoing and that sort of thing. And
I think people could acknowledge that ifthey think about the things that would have
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come out a couple of years agoabout those cast members, is now they're
just really getting as sanitized version ininterviews and stuff like that. And the
alternative. The thing about that grantis that the alternative to it is someone
like you is going to have whatsomeone who is on a show a couple
of times, but who doesn't havea publicist, who's not in good with
the network, maybe somebody who hada bad experience on the show, or
who is willing to just spread liesabout other cast members to get their attention
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because they can't otherwise. And Iknow you and I don't play around in
that playground, So really that's notfun for me either. I mean I
to give like like these people,these side characters a platform, and you
know I don't. I just didn'tdo it for me. I don't enjoy
like all the drama around, thenitty gritty stuff that really doesn't matter for
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I don't know, it's just notI maybe I outgrew it, but I
enjoyed The Housewives and all these showsfor the absurdity of them. And we'll
get into it. But they've justI've said it so many times on this
show now, but they've just gottentoo serious for me to look real And
don't even mean real, like asin like this is not produced. It's
just like some of the stuff isjust like ugly behavior, and I'm just
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like it's just not entertaining to me. But anyway, let's turn to the
ugly behavior on the set of TheView back in twenty fifteen. We're gonna
go through the topics Christy and Icovered all those years ago and see where
we are today with these like here'swhat was hot like seven years I cannot
wait. I can't wait because Iremember just being so excited to talk about
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all of these things, and I'msure it'll be just as fun to take
a look back. So the Viewis the number one topic on Grant's rand,
so of course, I mean,you know, recurring. Yes,
I questioned in this our interview,in our first section for segment of the
FIST, I questioned if the Viewit would be considered like a GMA,
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like it'll just never get canceled,We'll just plug new people in, like
if this will just be on forever. And I'm starting to think that that's
what we're that's what we're getting here. What do you think? You know?
I think I would have said thattoo before the demise of the talk,
well, because the talk are stillaround. Which one got kitten in
all? Think Garcels got canceled thereal I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I
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think you know, of course,it was sort of the third one the
distance in the ratings and stuff.But if that one starting to fall off,
is the talk going to be next? And then ultimately the view as
well. I agree, But ofcourse we have to think here about the
advertisers. That's the number one drawnmoney more than an audience or you know,
what the media is talking about oranything else, and that is a
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reliable advertising kind of juggernaut for them. So that would be the biggest reason
why I think, Yeah, maybeyou are right, it'll never go away.
Yeah, it does well, unfortunately, and they I don't know,
The New York Times called it themost influential political show on television, so
that was like years ago, bythe way, where they're still that's still
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like they're leading with that. Yeah, UM, don't care. The view
is. I continue to look atclips and I'm just astounded by what happens
over there, and not in agood way. But the story in twenty
fifteen was Kelly Osborne was on.She offended the Latino community, including at
the time co host Rosie Perez.There was a comment about toilet cleaning related
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to Donald Trump, and I don'tknow if the Latino community, Yeah,
and I don't think we've really seenUm, what's her face, Kelly Osborne?
Since I don't think we've really hasshe recovered from this the last couple
of weeks, just because she's havingthis baby and she's talking about that.
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She's really hired a publicist. Shehad a huge fall from grace from e
Like, I don't see her onthese things. I don't consider her an
influence. So like we look atpeople like Paris Hilton who have really kind
of made it work for them andthey had almost like a cultural resurgence.
But Kelly, I don't know.I don't even know if I care well.
That whole fashion police thing I thinkhas a stigma in itself. You
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know, Juliana Rancic doesn't work anymoreeither. You know, that was really
kind of the height of all thesnark, right, we weren't we are
weren't supposed to like that kind ofthing anymore. So I think that didn't
do Kelly Osbourne any favors. Also, she did notably kind of take a
step back. I think she hassaid that on her own. Um,
but what did she even really dobefore that? You know, I was
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just watching something where they're talking aboutthe importance of the Osbournes and yeah it
was huge, and yeah they werehuge. There's like two seasons, right,
Oh that was that. Yeah,but it wasn't it wasn't long,
and it wasn't much and did shewas she able to really create anything out
of that? Even this view thingwas just a guest. She was just
there, you know, as aguest one day. Yeah. I don't
think that the Osbornes have any importancewhatsoever. I can't even imagine. I
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mean, the show itself was Iguess groundbreaking for reality TV as a genre,
but I mean the first celeb realityis what it sort of build as.
But I always think of a simplelife. Yeah, even if it
didn't come first. Sorry, Ithink of the whole celebriality on VH one
of like they had their their bigbrother version of real life. Real Life.
Yeah, that which is coming backin a few weeks. Actually,
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oh my god, is it?I did not know this? Yes?
Yes, can I remember? Ican only imagine the people on this.
I'm gonna call them losers, butI'll be I'll be nice. Who are
they going to find? You?The Surreal Life in twenty twenty two,
so they've already filmed it? Um? I wish I could remember some of
the names on. I want tosay Dennis Rodman's one of them, but
it's people who were interested in seeingYeah, because Rodman didn't he do celebrity
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big brother. I'm trying to think, like, yeah, he's done a
slew of that kind of There'll beplenty of people to Joe. He's busy
trying to fix Korea. So Idon't know if true. Well, we
were not forgiving of Kelly Osborne.We were very against these comments back then.
We were not team Kelly by anymeans. We both agreed that the
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view handles it really poorly. Igave Kelly the Sherry Shepherd Award for excellent
ignorant. I mean again, thisSherry Sheper has come a long way.
I'm happy for our show. Ireally torn her to pieces in the past,
but look, she's got her thinggoing. But there was for excellence
and ignorance because of her saying thatthe world was flat and not believing in
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science. This goes back now,almost twenty years ago, but that's where
that came from. But I'm youknow, Kelly really was ignorant for those
comments, so I stand by thatand what else is on here today?
Yeah, today. What is thefall out of this? I mean the
fallout for me is the mother isstill around, still trying hard, and
still getting canceled, and I wishshe would go away. She was on
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the five on Fox News. Ionly know this because it was on at
the gym. And now she's onthis whole anti woke campaign. And didn't
you say this week she wanted hermoney back from BLM, thousand dollars back
from the Black Lives Matter movement.She called it a scam. She's just
following in Pierce Morgan's footsteps. Yeah, you know my friends they're very tight,
you know, Yeah, why whythey don't do a show together.
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So she's yeah, she's burning everybridget she can find. I think,
and um, it is what itis. So the Osbourne's there, that's
the status. Any final thoughts onthis this topic from the view, I
mean, they made Rosie Perez andput her arm around Kelly and apologize r
tweets or something like this, Likeif I were Rosie, I'd still be
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mad about that. Yeah, andit didn't maybe realize that we don't hear
a ton from her anymore. AndI really liked her, It enjoyed her
quite a bit. So um,that's kind of what sticks me is like
where did she go? Like,don't don't run, don't run away,
come back, Rosie. I likethe view scared way. Another topic we
discussed was Kim Richards our girl.You and I know our mutually love her.
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I don't know many people let dowhat we do. And uh.
You did call her recent behavior thoughun indefensible at the time, and I
can understand why. She was arrestedtwice at Target for shoplifting. One of
them was over six hundred and twelvedollars worth of items in the dollars section
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walking out the door with it.We called her behavior rock bottom because this
was all alleged, but she washomeless, living out of her car.
She was hospitalized. There was rumorsshe was taken in by Kathy, and
then Kathy refused to help her publicintoxication. She previously kicked the cop at
the Beverly Hills Hotel, a personshe had kept eating everyone. The list
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goes on. Kim is a complicatedperson, but regardless, I still like
her. But yeah, Kim wasin big trouble at this time in twenty
fifteen. In August of twenty fifteenshe was. That's why it's so interesting
to take a look back at this, Like you said, rock Bottom,
and we've seen a lot of upsand downs from her over the years,
but it's nice to look at thisand go, hey, yeah, we
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don't hear a lot from her now, but also haven't heard about any of
this kind of stuff going on targettrips? Yeah, no, no.
And I have always just rooted forher so loudly, and I would love
to see her return to the show. But it seems like all that stuff
that went down was what really neededto happen. She really needed that.
That was the turning point for her, and the fact that we can sit
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here now and see her as kindof a success story right of sobriety and
that kind of thing, and wedon't know exactly what's going on with her.
She took up a little bit ofa hot mess. That's probably okay.
I think she might always be,but yeah, come to think of
it, there were there were somephotos a few months ago where she looked
a little messed up, but shewas out with Kathy, and you know,
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I assume that they're taking care ofher. She's so into her family
now, her grandkids and she hasall that. It reads like she has
a lot of joy in her lifenow and she certainly didn't back then,
So I'm happy for that for her. Well, at the time, she
was on the verge of a comeback. We talked about it on the first
episode. She was in Revenge fora little while, and then she was
I had a big role in theSharknado movie. So yeah, so she
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was like inching towards like, youknow, a little bit more like kind
of like like whether you like itor not, Kyle is trying to do
it in Hollywood, and I thinkmaybe Kim realized that it's just too much
in that. Hopefully she's I hopeKim is doing really well, and I
would love to see her on theshow, but I also feel like it's
probably best that for her own mentalhealth that she isn't because Lisa Renna has
(22:25):
will have knives out ready to eather for lunch. Yeah, you know
what, that's a good point.Maybe we could hope for like a like
a three episode mini series of likeKathy and Kim go to Kalamazoo. I
don't know, like a simple lifestylething with just Kathy and Kim or something
that's a little more produced. They'redoing something like that with Louisanne and Ramona,
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right. I heard about that.I don't know where. I don't
even know what's happening with that andRoney legacy. I'm starting to think that
all these things are just lines forpublicity. I don't know. I mean,
I don't know. I'm starting toquestion everything going on with the only
stuff of it all. But Kathyis bragging about everything she's got going on
over there at NBC, and Iknow Paris's show and all that. That
is huge for Peacock Network. Soif if they can negotiate Kathy and Kimo,
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never forget I want to be aHilton, the reality show that Kathy
ran on NBC. Maybe she's stillthinking back to those days. I remember
I had to cancel. I wason vacation. I canceled dinner plans to
go and watch the episode live onNBC. I can still sing the theme
song, which I will not doon this episode. But yeah, Noah
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loved that. So maybe she stillhas deals. She stills first look deals.
Who knows. Yeah, you know, we don't have Kim anymore,
but we did get Kathy, soa fair substituted. Yeah, yeah,
I'll take it. Yeah yeah.It makes Kyle look kind and normal with
these two sisters, but it stilldoesn't make me enjoy Kyle anymore. I
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still can't say it, Kyle.I know you never cared for her.
No, no, And now it'sworse because now she feels like empowered.
She like thinks she's a favorite,she's a legacy. She's the one that's
been there since the beginning. Soshe's just even more audacious, and she's
got more money than she ever did. She doesn't have to bitch about any
of that. Yeah, yeah,I just I can't watch her. I
can't. Well. The next topicwas we were quite fired up over this
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one, especially you Ben Affleck,Jennifer Garner and this nanny remember this nanny,
Christine? I was, I wasZo Nanian. I don't know,
yeah, an absolutely nobody. Ohfunny how yo and funny how we still
don't know her name even though shewas trying us so hard? Is that
what I said back then? Yes? Yeah, we didn't even say her
name, so it took all arcof Grant's rands. I love that about
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us, Yeah, yeah, wedid it. Just now we'll say it
all these years later because there's nopower to it. But remember she was
on taking pictures of the drop topLEXI remember that. Yeah, but it
wasn't telling all of her friends thatthey were in love and the whole thing.
Mmm, very strange. People magazinedot com had it, they say
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claimed this article was updated in Septemberof twenty twenty two. Because I went
look, just spread the same oneI just read. I was like,
I was like, what is thisgate? Yes? I was like,
what happened that? The article isthe same. Yes, there's no new
details. How did that get bumped? Who does? Who is? What's
her face? Christine? No?Over there? Right? I was wondering
the same thing. I looked atthe same exact article this sporting But also
stuff popped up about what Jennifer Garnersaid later. I don't know that her
(25:34):
comments were out yet when we right. Yeah, So now Jennifer has admitted
that, yeah, Ben did havea thing with the nanny and she didn't
know about it. It had noeffect on their divorce, was not the
cause of their divorce because she didn'tknow about it until later. And then
she admits that she was pissed andshe did not like that she had to
fire this woman out of her children'slives. Yeah, even more of a
(25:59):
real mess. He thought it wasjust the nanny trying to attention for herself.
But like Jennifer Garner earns, sheearned some type of awards. We're
putting up with what she and continuesto put up with today. Yeah,
what else do is it? Wet? I wrote, we predicted we'd never
hear from her again. Yeah,pretty much. Did you look up what
(26:23):
she's doing today? I tried,Well, I founded some distant article that,
according to her LinkedIn, she's inreal estate, surprise, surprise,
and probably trying to get on.Yeah, she's an assistant VP at a
large title company in LA. That'sthat's all I know. So I did
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not go to celebrity clients, sothere, Yeah, yeah she's And then
the last story we covered was ArielWinter from a Modern Family at the time,
her breast reduction. That we talkedabout her image with girls and all
that, and you know that wasthat's a different kind of topic for this
(27:07):
show all these episodes later, Butyou know, I think we were celebrating
her from like making a decision.I was talking a lot about how women
We're not used to hearing women gettinga reduction in LA. If anything,
it's the opposite. So we werekind of like commented, how why that
was such a thing. Yeah,and she had just turned eighteen, and
she had dealt with so much withher emancipation from her mother, and she's
(27:30):
still to this day now when welook back, man, what a mature
young woman. You know, allthat stuff that she went through as a
child. She is not the quintessentialchild starred nightmare story, not by any
means. And I just I reallyapplaud her. You know, she seems
like she's got a good head onour shoulders. She's in a relationship with
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her boyfriend. They moved out ofLA for privacy. I read in an
article like she knew to take herselfout of the scene. And you know,
she's happily in this relationship. SoI'm happy for her. I did.
I will say, like I googledher, and like every article is
still talking about her appearance. Theywere talking about what plastic surgery she's had
done, her hairstyle, her clothing, like it's still all about her appearance
(28:17):
all these years later. She's grownup, you guys, She's grown up.
Of course her face is going tobe different at her whole you know,
she's a beautiful woman, and man, I can only assume that that
kind of commentary is probably so normalto her and how messed up is that.
You know, she's probably so usedto that and that's really sad.
(28:37):
Man. Yeah, but she's goingto be replacing Demilovado in this NBC sitcom
Hungry. So I don't know whatabout the kids that are in um an
anorexia recovery treatment program, right thatwas greenlit years ago? Yeah, I
suppose Denise issues probably put it onthe backbarder and now she's I'm going to
(29:00):
be in it. Apparently she's justserving as executive producer. So who knows?
Okay, okay today and we cancall and I'm calling her she I
mean, is that's an issue?I know she changed her problems sorry on
the instagram or they that's what Ilost. That's the last I heard.
That's what was on the instagram.So that's what we're going with here.
But yeah, I don't really knowwho knows on that front. That's what's
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happening with Demi. So yeah,that covered our first episodes worth of topic.
So we've got fresh ones. Areyou over this last one? To
wor? Well, that was somejuicy stuff, So twenty twenty two do
not disappoint? Well, we haveto talk about Lindsay. I mean,
it's just we've talked about Lindsay andmore than anybody else on this podcast.
(29:44):
I'm sure Lindsay or Brittany our otherfay. Lindsay Falling for Christmas, her
Netflix movie coming out in November tenth. The trailer has dropped. What are
your thoughts? Okay? Um?At first, I I have to be
honest, I was a little bitconcerned. I saw it on her Insta
and it just started rolling in myfeed, and so it took me a
(30:06):
second. I was like, whatis this? And then that scene where
she is on the mountain with thefiance as it's in just the first few
seconds, and it seems so cheeseballand low budget for a second, and
I was so sad. And thenjust immediately it takes a turn. You
get it. It's gonna be campy. I'm not a big Christmas movie,
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but I'm not a big movie personat all, not Christmas feel goodie movie
at all. I am now Iwill be on November tenth, right when
this one comes out. It looksso fun, it has so much heart.
She's playing the character that we wouldwant to see her play. It's
one we've seen her play a fewtimes before, but that's okay. And
I am just so freaking excited forthis grant to see her back on top
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and to know that she in herpersonal life is also doing great. This
is just one of a two picturedeal that she got it in Netflix,
so there's another one coming to whereshe's in Ireland and she's in love.
I just cannot wait. It lookslike she's happy to be there. Yeah,
and she looks great in the movie. I'm excited. I'll watch it
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regardless, like I'm I'm all in. And we've talked a lot about Lindsay's
career on this podcast and the trajectorythat it could take. Where is she
gonna end up? Will she everbe an Oscar winner? Is she ever
going to be treated seriously enough foractual, real roles that are nominated in
big Academy pictures and things like this, whatever, all those types of things.
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And I always said, like,if she could just get back into
some type of like film work thatwas not necessarily like on a hallmark level.
We saw her that lifetime movie,you know, with Liza Dick.
But if we can get past that, she could earn the trust of the
industry again and really be that amazingcomeback story. And I think that this
two picture deal is we're going upthe roller coaster again, and I feel
(31:57):
really good about it for her.I saw her showing off those comedy chops,
you know, she always did thedrama thing great too. M What
was that Home George's or Sweet HomeGeorgia rule, Yes, thank you.
You know when I think we thoughtthat if she could get rid of her
trouble, she was on that trajectory, she can get back on it.
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This movie might not seem like,you know, the future Oscar Winner,
but it'll take some time. Well, we'll get comedic Lindsay back first,
and then I think, maybe,you know, a drama is in the
future. And if they could everget that Oprah show Lindsay streamable anywhere.
I know that's not good for her, probably for Oprah, probably for freaking
anybody, but I would just loveto rewatch it. And I promise not
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to think anything terrible about Lindsay.She's calm, as you and I have
waited for Lindsay the documentary series tocome back for so long. Yeah,
I just feel good about it.In general. I think that she can
really earn trust and get those insurancerates lower, you know, so that
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these studios will take her seriously andthey will want to invest in a Lindsay
low In picture. And I'm surethat the show this movie will do well
on Netflix, a Christmas movie alwaysdoes. Anyway, Everyone's gonna want to
see it. I think I know, I know that I'm gonna want to
see it because she's singing in thesong. He's got a new song,
jingle Bell Rock. So yes,oh, oh my gosh. I want
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to say that. I play theAliana Loween Christmas album, which is absolutely
atrocious and unlistenable. I play thatevery year. It pisses off my whole
family. I love it as areading from Dina and then before Christmas one
and I just I love it.So a Lohan is coming out with new
Christmas music like this, I alreadyknow this is gonna be the song of
(33:42):
the season for me. Yes,it's playing in the trailer. I don't
think Lindsay has like an incredible voice. I don't think her strength is vocals,
but I don't care. I amlike ready to hear over Santa Baby.
I was always just as big asa fan of her music as of
her movie, and I can probablysing along every single word to every song
on both albums, so I amdown for that. And I forgot about
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Ali's Christmas album, but I'm goingto add it to the rotation of my
end sync home for Christmas. ThatChristina Aguilera Christmas album. By the way,
I love that one. Beautiful.Yeah, But anyway, I just
excited for this. Her sister Aliis going to be in the movie and
of course music, so I canonly hope that Dina is not that far
behind. Similar to Parent Trap,I hope that Dina is sitting by a
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pool in the background doing background workor an under five. You know,
Dina had to be on that setfor some reason, so I hope that
she gets her moment in the sun, and then I will feel like nature
is healing. I will feel sogood if there's a Dina cameos somewhere.
I will be looking and I hateto be those people who are talking about
the actress's looks, but also Lindsaylooks absolutely fantastic, and I think for
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someone like her, again, that'swhat we've always all talked about, and
that's been the focus. So I'mgoing to start it by saying something super
positive of that she has just neverlooked better. Yeah, I'm excited for
it, and I'm excited for thenarrative to change around her a little bit.
I mean, all these girls havegrown up. I've touched so much
on this podcast about the Paris Lindsay, Brittany, you know infamous picture in
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the car and you know Brittany hasways one too. I love that I
got my car shield just like Grandman. Oh good guy, I still have
my car shield here shout out toNick, my listener the podcast and bought
that to be God bless you.Oh you guys have been so great versup
pointing this show. I'm oh,thank you. But um, Paris Lindsay
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Brady, I talked so much aboutthat. You know, Britney's gonna way
ways to go, but you knowshe's finding her way and reclaiming her body
and her independence. Paris seems tobe happily married and somehow relevant more than
ever. Yeah, going anywhere anytime. So did you watch Paris and love
and for a reason, you know. Yeah, and then Lindsay's you know,
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coaching the big time again. Soour girls are doing good. That's
all that makes me so happy.So let's transition to a little bit of
housewives talk, also a big whatcan I say, a big tent pole
of the show. I mean,that's I know who's listening now? Are
you watching the Salt Lake City Housewives. I tuned in for the first episode
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of the season, but I willnot be watching. Just like last season.
I watched season one religiously. Iwas so into it, and then
two they really lost me just again. Too much, too much turmoil,
too much useless arguing, too muchdinner parties to have a dinner party about
the last dinner party, and Ijust couldn't get into it. So I
watched the reunion, and that's whatI fully intend on doing this season as
(36:46):
well. First episode reunion. I'msure I'm still gonna get it all,
and in the meantime, I willhave everything being spilled out in real time
in entertainment news, so I don'teven feel like I'm missing anything. Yeah,
that's the way to do it now. I mean, honestly, if
I want to get caught up bywatch a reunion and I'm like, oh
great, there's the highlights of thewhole season, and it's definitely like a
great cheat sheet. I don't knowwhy more people haven't going on to this,
(37:07):
but I mean I get it because, like I'm looking for more mindless
entertainment. I realize, like I'vebeen watching much TV. I need to
watch more TV. Actually, Iwork a lot, and I just haven't
had much opportunity. I don't Ihave a job that doesn't allow me much
flexibility, so I just haven't beenable to really stick to anything. But
(37:29):
I need to watch more. SoI actually watched the most recent two episodes
leading up to the reunion of theBeverly Hills Housewives, so I did look
at those. But I will sayI watched the first episode of Salt Lake
City this season, and I watchedhalf of the second episode. So far,
I have to watch everything in likeinstallments. But yeah, I mean
(37:50):
I enjoy the show. But yeah, I mean it's like there's there's a
lot of contrived things to create conversationand it's not as natural. I liked
the actual moments, Like there's there'sa lot of stuff going out with Whitney
that seems really real, and thenyou've got these other scenes like the like
Coach Shaw's birthday party that was sodone for the show, and it's just
(38:12):
like it's it's just it's lost itsauthenticity to me, yes, and all
that stuff that we were just gettingfor the first time, Coach Shaw's first
birthday party, the first time Jenhad a meltdown on camera, all that
stuff. You're just gonna take itat face value the first time. You're
like, Okay, this must beauthentic, this must be them. But
then happens again the second season again, and the third season, it's like
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this is contrived it. That's mybiggest problem with Salt Lake City Housewives is
Jen Shaw. And I wasn't surethat she was gonna get the second season
after she was just so deliberately doingeverything for the camera's season one, and
then she got indicted, right ofcourse, and now there's a story they're
not they're not letting her go anytimesoon, of course, but I just
she honestly kind of ruins it forme as much as she's probably bringing in
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viewers now for this season and askedto me, that's sort of why I'm
gone, Yeah, I don't enjoyher. I mean, I'm going to
see how this shakes out. Whenyou know, I haven't written down here
they changed her sentencing date to Decemberfifteenth, I mean, like, wake
me up when it happens, likeyou know, I mean as nothing else
to really say. She's not goingto admit to anything all season as we
(39:20):
know, you know, the lawyersin her ears, so like I just
don't know, like what the pointof it all is. She's not going
to come clean, and when we'veseen her be fake contrite before, we've
seen her be fake sorry before,and this statement that she released when she
changed her plea where she finally istaking responsibility, you know, as soon
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as she is sentenced, and ifshe does get off of everything, it's
going to be right back to partylife. I didn't do anything. I
didn't do anything. I didn't knowI didn't I'm innocent, innocent, innocent,
innocent until proven guilty. Because withthis way, I don't know,
you know, she can necessarily getlike a straight guilty thing now that she's
planned out or whatever it is.So I don't expect to see the contrition
from her that we're reading about,in this statement, and I need some
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from her. You know, there'sa big, there's a glaring difference between
this situation and the Erica Jade situation. And to me, it's that we
know jen Shaw did things she's admittingnow to doing things that are not only
illegal, but are unethical and justare just downright not very nice. And
that's what I think of her asa person. And as far as Erica
goes, I know a lot ofpeople we're seeing through this now, but
(40:29):
she could be one innocent on everythingthat anyone said about her that she's done
wrong, because it's very different fromjen Oh interesting perspective. Yeah, I
mean I still don't really care forErica, but I mean there's a chance,
you know she you know, thedifferent crimes or different women, right
(40:50):
right. I don't enjoy Erica,but I saw the clips to this season
and the behavior, and I meanit kind of checks out with what I
thought. But I don't really careabout her, to be honest with did
even give her much more of mytime? Erica, I don't have any
sympathy for her myself. No,I was unable to really care about Erica
had been my favorite before all thissort of went down, and I have
(41:12):
remained supporting her, but just noneof them really interest me. Deren has
gotten more likable, but there justisn't anyone again. They're all kind of
putting putting airs on and we haveto go back, go way back to
Orange County and even Beverly Hills.When it first started, it was just
such a different show about their familiesand about their real lives, and now
it's about their lives as real housewivesinstead of being about their real lives.
(41:37):
And then Sarna brought that element inand that, yeah, that's she's like.
I think she's just a horrendous personin this show. I don't know
if this is who she is inreal life, if she's playing the producer
puppet game. But I mean,I watched the whole thing between Kathy and
(41:57):
Kathy and Kyle and then Lisarenna camein, and I'm team Kathy on this
one, so I'm on team fellon that side. I haven't seen it
all play out, but no onehas because it wasn't on camera, so
stupid, we have to believe allthis so we didn't see her here.
And also even if you haven't seenit, as I haven't, being a
huge fan of the show, andof those women, I'm still not going
(42:20):
to bother to watch it. I'veread about every scene, I've read every
comment that happened in the show,and now everything they have to say now
like I know the story. I'vewatched it play out even without having to
watch the show. That is aproblem for producers. The other problem is
Lisa Rinna. Has she crossed thethreshold now into being a liability, Like,
yes, you can expose things,and yes you can cause drama,
and you can get your name inthe press, and that can be great
(42:43):
for the show and it can bringmore eyes to the show. I think
it's getting to the point with Lisawhere, especially if she ruins Kathy Hilton
for Bravo and for NBC and forPeacock, she's going to be in trouble
and she's going to become a biggerliability than she is an asset. She's
in danger of that. To me, Yeah, there's that rum where she's
trying to get two million dollars forher salary next year. I mean,
what's her worth? I really don'tcare for her. And I loved Lisa
(43:07):
rind on Soap Talk, and Igotta kick on her. In the beginning,
I was there for the ride.Did she take any job? She
was just you know, hustler inHollywood. I mean, you know,
it was relatable, it was funnyand now made very serious. It's like
she's just not who she once was. And what one scene she's crying over
her mother. The next scene she'sgot a smirk on her face watching Kathy
(43:30):
and Kyle go at it. It'slike, it's not right. You know.
I just really can't follow her anymore. I don't care to. I
think I actually unfollowed her on Instagrama big deal, but still. And
then I was, we're talking aboutyou mentioned like oc in the first season
of Beverly Hills and these things theseshows have changed. Like I showed my
(43:52):
mother the trailer for the reunion,the season twelve reunion and the music and
the rewinding the tape, and it'svery very dark and dramatic and set up
with high stakes. You get Kylebasically begging to Andy to let her leave.
She said, I'm not okay rightnow, and I was like,
there's something really gross about this.I don't revel in this drama. If
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they trying to be like Game ofThrones, like where are we going with
this? Why does it have tobe so cutthroat? And then they cut
to them having silly conversations. It'slike, you can't it can't be both.
The show itself, to me,is not that dramatic, but the
marketing of it. They're they're makingthese women not only they pit against each
(44:36):
other, they're making it like likea survival and this this and these edits,
And I think it's so disgusting thatKyle us to look to Andy is
if she's for permission, if shecan get up and leave. That's gross.
Yeah, it also said something aboutKyle and how much her position means
to her and how much her youknow, uh, this self worth is
related is tied to being a realitystar and tied to doing you know what
(44:59):
Andy in the network wants her todo. But you're right, it's not
fun anymore. No, there's nofun, and the fun is all contrived
anyway, you know. I mean, And the whole thing with the House
Lives culture has gotten so like magnified, Like that Hunky Dory line from last
season, like that is now everywhere, Like it's I don't know that it's
(45:21):
like we would laugh at these littlemoments. We would do after buzz and
we you know, say did youcatch this? And then we'd move on.
But now everything is iconic, legendary, and they're using these things to
get higher salaries, to tear eachother down more, and it's like it's
they're jealous of each other's success.I feel because of these little moments and
this is not the show I signedup to watch. I really have to
(45:42):
say, I loved the first seasonof Beverly Hills, and this is just
it's crossed the line for me.It has you know, in the pro
wrestling world, there's a saying,well, I guess they probably say this
in every industry, but the inmatesrunning the asylum, and doesn't it sort
of feel like it used to beagain about the housewives, about a group
(46:05):
of women who were friends in acity, and now it's about the real
housewives, right like like now thatthe capital capital h Yeah, it's about
and every reality show goes through this. They got to that point on after
you know, the first couple ofseasons of the Kardashians, the Hills,
even vander Pump Rules where they becomefamous and then the narrative has to change
(46:28):
because that's a big part of theirlife is that everyone knows them now.
And yeah, I totally agree.We've got Tamera coming back to OC and
I enjoy her. But we'll seehow much producing is going to happen here
again. Her whole identity hasn't wrappedaround being a real housewife. Taylor Armstrong
is so proud of herself for makingthis transition. Well, I don't know
(46:49):
if it's warranted, but we're gettingit. Um Listen, Tanra needed this
time out. She was getting indanger of going into the Lisa rinizone,
yes, little bit right. Sheneeded to kind of get sat back down
and go, hey, remember whathappened to Gretchen. Okay, you take
a time out for a couple ofseasons. Yeah, all right, But
they've become careers, like you weresaying, though, these are career like
(47:13):
literally, Taylor's like switching like brancheslike at a bank, you know what
I mean. Like, these aretheir jobs. It's about them as real
housewives. That's weird. It isweird. And with Taylor, I mean
she yeah, we watched her gether job back right on Real Housewives Ultimate
Girls Trip. I mean I watchedthat and thought there's no way that she's
not getting recast on the show.Yeah, And I think Rhugt is part
(47:38):
of this whole vehicle now where thehousewives are becoming bigger than the show.
Yea, the actual women are becomingbigger and Tamara, some of the things
that she has said in interviews sinceshe's been fired makes me think that she
has had this sort of epiphany.She gets it now that she's gotten out
of the bubble a little a littlebit, she's not taking it as seriously.
She wants to be more authentic andthe show OC really really needs that.
(48:01):
So true. Yeah, I agreebeyond I don't know what they're gonna
do with that show. I hopethat Tamra can somehow like bring it back
down to earth, but they've stillgot that Gina and that Emily on there,
and they've still got Heather do Browon there. I don't know.
I don't know what the feature ofthat show is, but I will definitely
(48:22):
be continuing to peek at it andsee how it goes. And I want
to see the shows do well,but they've got to come down to earth
a little bit, and they're wayoverproduced, and like you said, these
housewives are taking themselves way too seriouslyand they're having to compete for contracts.
And Ultimate Girls Trip as great asit is, but now what they brought
(48:44):
these women back, not all ofthem, but some of them. That's
gonna be, like you said,a vehicle and they're gonna go in there
and those women are gonna push sohard. I mean, Dorinda was really
like cringe in that and now theyknow that there's a secret saw to that
in a success record. Oh,it's gonna be faker than ever. Oh
(49:07):
no, Yeah, I'm concerned forthe third season of that one, especially
just some of the stuff we've heardit already sounds like antics for the cameras.
Yeah right, yeah, well butthey're fussily Vicky's coming into Since we
have Tamber back and Shannon's still there, we're gonna get some kind of trace
Amiga's they were seeing filming just inthe last like week or so. Yeah,
(49:29):
and it sounds like Vicky isn't We'renot gonna see much of Vicky,
but if we could at least getthat. And Vicky did that to herself
again, how Taylor made herself onUltimate Girls Trip? VICKI killed herself.
I think Vicky has a place onthat show at all times. I don't
know why they did what they did. I think that she is the og
of the OC, og of thewhole thing. I think that there should
(49:50):
at least be a pity position outof respect. I love Vicky still.
I know it's controversial, but gether back on the show, because that
was they like Kelly Doddsons at othertime in her podcast, like they literally
are all real friends, like they'reall off the show but real and the
people who are on the show arenot all connected and real friends. Like
(50:14):
one of these things is not likethe other. And so I want to
see OC get back to some versionof authenticity, and for me, I
think that has Vicky in it.M oh Man, well, I am
going to be excited. I cantell you what. I will not be
watching only the first episode and thereunions of OC. No matter what.
There's nothing they could do to tomake me not watch every single episode of
(50:36):
We had Megan King Edmunds on rightOC one year right, and I remember,
and then husband and Jim Edmonds,yes, and after buzz and I
remember when it was her first episode, this thirty year old remember was uh
um, Megan, who's had quitean interesting love story of man to say
the least. But I remember yousaid we're in and afterwards you were introduced
(51:00):
to Megan Megan with an H,and I always spells her name right because
of that. I don't know whythat sticks out to me. Megan with
an H miss thirty year old Shannon, remember her. I I don't throw
parties. I create charities or something. I start charities. Megan. Well,
what sticks in my mind from Meganand Jim coming in the studio was
(51:21):
how in love I thought they were. After that, I was like,
Oh, they are so genuine,they are so real, They're really love.
Vicky's wrong, They're not going tobe divorced in five years like they
were so legit in love. Howcute house we Oh my god, yeah,
oh my god? Is right?Yeah a nail head Vicky Boom.
(51:42):
Yeah. True. We must talka little bit about Amanda Bines, another
figurehead of this podcast in certain ways. Whenever there was an update, we
would always give her our best,and now it looks like she's going to
be a manicurist. She's thirty sixyears old, she's finding her way.
She navigated Hollywood until I didn't serveher anymore in multiple ways, and now
(52:05):
she's you know, finding her nextact. What do you think while it
was fashion first, right, shewent to fit them and graduated there,
which is a huge feat for her, and it sounded like she was going
to start a fashion line. Andnow she's into doing nails. She posted
this photo on Instagram showing that she'sin nails school kind of showed up the
classroom and stuff and her friends,which is just so Again we keep talking
about relatability, like just the Amandaminds just in like a school classroom with
(52:30):
some other people probably who are soyoung that they don't even know to give
her the respect that she deserves.So I love that she's not open with
us. But you know what,I'm ready, Like, I'm ready to
wear the fashions. I'm ready towear the Amanda Binds nails, Like I
want to be the first client upthe salon, Like, let's get her,
Let's get her on the job finally, you know, out of school
(52:51):
and on the job. I'm ready, a man, if she's well enough,
she has an opportunity to make alot of money and to build a
big brand for herself and I meanthe tweets are still being printed on T
shirts and bugs, and I mean, like people know who she is,
and I would love to see herjust like just do something that would be
like a full circle moment kind oflike what we're talking about with Lindsay,
(53:12):
where there's at least some like andnot a comeback, but like I'm creatively
fulfilled everyone or like you know,I'm doing good. You know, I
want to see these people do well. Being her being good now feels like
a comeback, right, Like italmost feels full circle that she's not saying
the kinds of things she was saying. She was really somebody who we couldn't
have supported for a while there,and was really someone who was hurting other
(53:37):
people, and now now she's justlooking for joy for herself and really has
found it. And I think thatcan be inspirational for a lot of people.
Yeah, on word, So Ithink that pretty much comers all of
it. We talked about the viewa little, just you know, Brittany
Housewives, Paris all of the greatesthits. So I feel I feel good
(53:59):
about all our favy fhaves. Ithink I said that a couple of times,
but all our all our girls.Yeah, well, I hope that
I can continue to guest on somepodcast and give my thoughts and opinions.
I still have a lot to stayout there about, you know, the
soaps and some of the housewives andthings like that, so hopefully I can
still pop up on some other podcastsand we'll always see what happens next.
(54:22):
I know I'm developing something myself thatI want to do that's different than this,
but I'm always looking for creative gratification, a good balance of things.
So I enjoy you know, rantingand a lot of conteam to do so
on Instagram and the like, andwe'll see where things go from there.
But yeah, thanks for being mylast guest for now. Well, Grant,
(54:45):
thank you for giving me an outletover the years to talk about everybody
that I love and give my opinionand to meet your awesome audience here and
again, I just want to congratulateyou on having built Grants Rants in to
an awesome, very highly rated podcast. Um, whatever you do, I
(55:06):
hope to be able to do italong with you, because you are my
absolute favorite person to sit and talkwith on the air. I have grown
a lot as a host because ofyou and have been so inspired over the
years. Well but you sip anat it. Man, You're You're the
best. I don't know if hustleris I mean it in a in a
positive way. You are like thehard and chorust hardest working, most determined
(55:29):
person I know. And just overthe years I have always looked at you
and thought, RANT keeps going andI can keep going. To thank you,
Well, I to think I'm quiteresilient, and that's you know,
I appreciate. I mean, itgives me more more energy to put towards
that resiliency that is needed and youknow, whatever is next. So thank
(55:51):
you for that. Yeah. Um, just really grateful for, you know,
every opportunity that I had to getthe show in front of new people.
I did a lot of guest workon other shows I would come back
to after Buzz and do that.I appreciate all the guests that I have.
Almost all of them were ris fullShade. Almost all of them are
really great, and I really appreciatedthat I got to have that. I
(56:15):
put together my own live show andpeople came out to that and that was
a really great experience. And Ireally used the show as an experiment for
so many different things. There wasa time where I was an assistant and
I really didn't have a lot ofcreative gratification, and I wanted to really
see where this could go. AndI just totally invested myself in creating an
(56:37):
audience and building an audience, andthat's what happens. So you know,
I'm grateful to everyone. They eventhose who have listened from the beginning who
are still here in the last episode, and those have come on in between.
And I say it all the time, I love you for listening.
Thank you for listening to Grants Rants. This has been Grants Rants followed Grants
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