GreenBean's Jets Pod 176

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, all right, Jets fans, we are back back to
talk about this team. We love baby oh and what's
not to love? Huh? All right, what not to love? Over?
Welcome to the show, episode one six and forty four
of Green Beans Jets Pod. I thank you for hanging out.

(00:47):
I thank you for coming man, because boy oh boy,
you know, there was a great analogy put in the
what the live stream chat from the game this week.
Somebody said, I wish I can remember. Maybe it was ARMANI.
ARMANI a d great viewer, great poster, great commenter. Uh.
He said, the Jets are like going to a restaurant

(01:11):
and ordering a fulame in Yon and they bring you
a hot dog to the to the table. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's a lot. You know, we have flaming Yon dreams
and hot dog reality, right, So it's what I wonder sometimes, Well,
you know, if I've been going to this restaurant for
forty two years, for half the year, I go every

(01:35):
week and I go, I'll have the flame and Yon
good sir, and he says, okay, no problem, and he
brings me a hot dog. At what point? What point
do I stop going to that restaurant? That's the question,
you know, really again, Pierre. Pierre is my waiters name
at the Jets restaurant. I'm not sure if you were
aware of that. That's his name. I don't know what

(01:58):
your waiter's name was, but is called Pierre and he
brings me hot talking quite frankly, I don't like Pierre
very much. I'm getting tired of here as bullshit. But
you know, it's like this, this this team, well, we
had ourselves a game. We were able to have some fun.
You know. It's it's such an interesting thing with the Jets.

(02:19):
You get to these uh, these layers of like, you know,
just go the elevator bing binging, keeps going down the
floor after floor at the floor, and you start to go,
all right, well, you know, can we at least just
get this? Can we have some Come on? Can I
have some of that?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
All right? Can I have some of that? And you
get to a point you're like, can I just watch
a game of football? Can I see some touchdowns? Cheer
a little bit? And we got that this week, so
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we had ourselves a game. And it's interesting to watch
this stuff because Jets fans, we're notoriously divided, right, We're
notoriously divided. One guy thinks it's this player's fault. This

(04:17):
guy thinks it's not that player's fault. He's being scapegoated.
And this guy hates this coach, and that guy says,
not the coach, it's the general manager. And he goes,
what do you mean the general manager? And that's all
we do. And that's par for the course. And the
only thing that I hate about it is when we
start to get venomous with each other, like who cares
if I disagree with you? Who cares? Who cares if

(04:39):
you like this guy? And I don't, you know. But
we get there and we want to convince, and that's great.
The passion side. I'm in love with. I've been here
a long time as you guys. No, But I don't
like when we start to go, oh yeah, well, on
second thought, your wife's ugly, like, ah, you know, we
got to talk like that, just talking about Jeremy Rutgert.

(05:00):
Why I gotta be my wife into it? Man? So
that kind of thing. But we're notoriously you know, I
think every year doesn't matter. If it's the draft, if
it's the losing games at the end of the year,
if it's a new coach, if it's the quarterback, it
doesn't matter. We're divided. That's all we do, and we
like to do that. We have our opinions and all
that jazz. But right now we're seeing this situation where

(05:24):
I think the idea of Aaron Rodgers is was beautiful,
right fair. I think most of us liked it. Now
you'll see that I wasn't. I wasn't so much.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I was.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I was on board, and I don't want to have
revisionist history and and and try to say I ever
wanted them. That's not that would not be true. But
I was not as passionately devoted to the idea as
some others. As most others. Quite frankly, you guys know,
I was more in the Derek Carr camp. And why
mainly because I was like, like, he's younger, and we'll

(05:59):
have him along green. He's a four thousand yard quarterback
every single year. And I mean, maybe not quite the upside,
but I think Derek Carr if you with our defense
and you know the stories that so that was more
I was leaning more that way, and right or wrong,
it is what it is. But now the idea of
Aaron Rodgers, I will admit, was fanciful. I was like,

(06:20):
oh man, you could very easily slip into this fancy
idea that Wow, Breese Hall's gonna explode with the threat
of Aaron Rodgerson, Aaron Rodgers throwing to Garrett Wilson, Oh
my God, and blah blah blah, and it just never materialized.
Now we know last year it didn't materialize because Aaron
Rodgers we lost him at four plays with the Achilles.

(06:43):
But this year, there's really no reason why it's not
happening other than to say it's not happening. The idea,
the dream is not there. Now is he washed? Some
people will tell you one hundred percent. Others will say no,
he's not washed. Look at this, look at that, look
at the other thing. He scored twenty seven points this week.

(07:06):
When's the defense going to be held to account? Okay,
it's fair, fair point. Now you could raise you could
see that bed and raise it and say, well, the
defense also gave him the ball with a fumble, a
sack fumble, and you know, basically, gimme points in fifteen
yard line, whatever it was, twelve yard line, something like that.

(07:28):
The defense did their part two. I mean, you know
what I mean. So we can do this all day.
There's justifications and reasons and facts on both sides of
this thing, but I think underneath it all, you just
got to look at this and you can say pretty
clearly that even though Aaron Rodgers is giving us I
mean sad sadly to admit this out loud in front

(07:50):
of you, the best quarterback play that we've seen in
a long time, my best is a tough word, better
quarterback play than we've seen in a long time, it's
still Can we just agree that what we're seeing is
not the Aaron Rodgers that we thought we'd see. Is
that at least fair? We have Garrett Wilson, we have

(08:11):
Breis Hall, we have DeVante Adams, and we got role
players all over the place. You know, Brayln Allen, Conklin,
Lizard when he was here. You know, we have players
Gibson right, Mcorley who they don't use right in my opinion,
but it's not happening. So it's frustrating to see, but

(08:32):
at the end of the day, you look at like
a stat line and he's got you know what, Aaron
Rodgers stats. He's twenty two of twenty nine for a
buck eighty four and two touchdowns. I mean, it's not
earth shattering, but it seems if you just look at
it is why we talk about the box score a
lot like the box score is not the story, you know,

(08:54):
because in addition to that, we also saw, for the
first time in nineteen years, as bad as our Jets
offenses have been, the Jets failed to get a first
down in their first five possessions, not one first down.
That not just not scoring drives. We've seen that plenty.

(09:17):
The Jets didn't score in the first quarter for twelve weeks,
things like that. We see that stuff all the time.
We didn't get a first a single first down in
our first five possessions of the game for the first
time in nineteen years. Nineteen years. You know how old

(09:40):
I was when I was or nineteen years ago, I
was still I was still in New Jersey as a
drug addict, Like it's a long time ago. I was
like homeless nineteen years ago. It's truth the whole different life.
That's the last time we I saw this type of

(10:00):
abysmal offense. So it's and you look at it, and
there were plenty of plays Aaron Rodgers just even something
that ended up being receptions, just terrible passes off you know,
could have hit guys, didn't some more. You know, it
should have been a pass like the third down to
when Breece Hall standing right in front of him, he

(10:21):
just took the sack. So the box score, you look
at it, one hundred eighty four yards again, not earth shattering,
nothing crazy, but you know, twenty two of twenty nine
one hundred and eighty four yards, two touchdowns, what else
you want from offense? Scored twenty seven points. So it's

(10:42):
this weird thing where the argument can live. It can live,
and it's frustrating. And so look, the Jets are now
eight losses on the season in the first eleven games.
Eight losses. Now think about this, the Jets have been
eight three and not made the playoffs. Maybe we can

(11:05):
be three at eight and make it into the playoffs.
And look, again, the Jets are not mathematically eliminated from
playoff contention just yet. So it's really a crazy thing. Now,
they're gonna be soon, especially I when you lose one more,
it's a rap, right like you know that. I mean
even now at nine to eight, it's gonna be tough.

(11:27):
You gotta win the next six games. It's just it's
it's gonna be tough. Not impossible, but very very difficult
and highly unlikely, especially with the way we've been playing.
Look at the Colts game, look at the Cardinals game.
Worst the Colts game. We looked okay once we got

(11:48):
our heads out of our rear ends, but it's very,
very frustrating. Now let's dig into a few things. One is,
I want to just say congrats to my boy Kenny
you Boa, who, by the way, I've been yelling for
you know, you guys know for years, should be used more.
He's a very effective blocker and he's a wide receiver

(12:09):
turned tight end, so he's got good hands and you
saw it today. I damn near lost my mind when
Kenny scored his first touchdown. I really did. I almost
lost my mind because I was excited for him and
we were humming at that point. And I'll be honest
with you, I thought the Jets had the game. I

(12:31):
thought we were gonna win the game, and then it's
you know, once again another one point, one score, one
field goal game that we lose. Kenny you Boa scores
the field goal kicker looked good, right. Are we gonna
sign this kid to the damn team or do we

(12:51):
get a new one next week hoping that peg the
leg comes back. I mean, I don't know what we're
doing with that, like, I mean, I just what it
points to is this, guys, the fact that we have
Garrett Wilson, Davante Adams, Breist Hall, Aaron Rodgers, on and
on and on and on, and it's not working. And

(13:15):
the only guy we've seen benched is Tony Adams, like
last week's crazy debacle with the tackles, and that's been
throughout the whole four years, but it really was glaring
in the Cardinals game and they benched Tony Adams. Now
you say, oh, well, Chuck Clark come back and Jayli
Mill has been playing well, that's fine, But why isn't
Tony Adams on the field in passing downs? He's your

(13:35):
free safety. Why do you got two strong safeties out?
I mean, why, I mean, what's the story with that?
Why isn't why aren't you pulling Chuck Clark and putting
Tony Adams on the field. Who's got coverage skills? I
don't know. So it boils down to there's a complete
and utter mismanagement to this team, and we have to
endure it. There are six weeks left and then then

(13:58):
we have to endure the whole playoff season without the
Jets and the whole thing. And we're already talking about
quarterbacks and coaches, and let's take a look at a
couple of years of the Jets offense as a whole
in the intelligent grade. You know, when we went to

(14:19):
the game last year, you know, we do our talking
Jets meet up and we went to the game last year.
We went to the Chargers game. It was a Sunday
night football and we went to see the Chargers game.
We had a great time until we went into the
damn stadium and they whatever, they lost. But during that game,
we had something happen which is very similar to what
happened today, and we saw it and they showed it
on the TV. And the whole thing is that we

(14:42):
got our first roughing the passer penalty called when our
quarterback was roffed in two seasons. So the in twenty
twenty two, we were the only team in the NFL
that that did not draw a roughing the passer penalty,
which is crazy because poor Zach got killed and Mike
White the only day got there were getting killed, and

(15:04):
we were the only team that the NFL reps decided
as they don't need to throw. So we were in
the stands and we had that happen. We saw it
happen live, and the whole stadium we cheered like we
won the super.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Bowl, our first fucking a pastor in two years.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, because it's ridiculous that we finally get to see that.
It was like, it was like it was at least
as good as a big eighty yard touchdown. Yeah, we
were rye five and oh my god, it's really happening. Well,
that happened today. The Jets' offense, as I meant earlier,

(16:00):
five straight drives without a single first down. And that's
what even going forward on fourth and one, which you think, again,
you got Bresol, you got Braylan Allen. It's three feet
three feet, right, something something like that. Three feet You
get the kid with a head of steam and you

(16:21):
pound him into the line and he's getting three feet
eight out of ten times. But what do we do.
We do e motion with the tight end who we've
never we never hand the ball off to, and we
ask him to get it trickery, we get cute and
we didn't get it. I see no reason to do
that play at that point. You gotta have your foundational stuff.

(16:42):
You can't add too many variables to things that you need.
And we get stuff there. So we have five drives
without a single first down. We're losing thirteen nothing at
the time, and we get a first down and the
place goes nuts. And they showed the crowd on the
TV on the camera and there was this woman and

(17:05):
she was like this, like thank you Jesus. And that's
where we get brought down to that we have to
cheer for the utterly absurd. Like every team, every team's fans,
they go, you get it, first down, they go, yeah,
all right, first down at the Northern Jets, first down,

(17:28):
everybody gets excited in the whole thing. But we'll have
five minutes left in the half, of which the team
with the lowest time of possession in the NFL had
nineteen plus seconds they had or the minutes of time
and possession, and it's like, you know, there's so many

(17:50):
layers to how bad this was that the Jets fans
have to cheer for that now subsequently and gratefully and
fun and we ended up having a that was a
scoring drive as well. So turns out first downs are
pretty important, which is neat to learn. Who knew third
down conversion is important? First downs important? I mean, I
don't know. I thought they were kind of overrated all

(18:11):
this time, but I guess not. I guess they're pretty
good stuff to do, to pull together in a game,
and then you end up maybe even having a chance
to win. So we're doing that stuff today, that's what
we're seeing. It's one of those and the Jets fans
are booing Aaron Rodgers and the whole thing. This is
where we are because the idea of a forty year

(18:32):
old quarterback coming in and being the final piece was
better than the actual scenario itself. And it's a shame
and it sucks. But let's so. The Jets currently have
the twenty sixth ranked offense in the NFL twenty six,
so that's bottom six, all right, bottom six. So even

(18:59):
though we're in all kinds of ridiculous records. First game
Aaron Rodgers ever had where he didn't throw at least
one touchdown, which has now happened twice. We saw that
this year, first time that he threw two interceptions in
a game or whatever it was, you know, in the
first quarter. I don't know, we saw that. We're seeing

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the lowest numbers of Aaron Rodgers' career. We're seeing all
kinds of stuff that's like record breaking, historic type of
stuff on the wrong side of this thing. So last
year at this at this time, we're twenty ninth in
points and thirty first in yards Offensively, year before that
twenty ninth in points, twenty fifth in yards, twenty eighth

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in points, twenty sixth in yards, thirty second in points
in twenty twenty and thirty second in yards. Then the
year before that, twenty nineteen, he got thirty one and points,
thirty second in yards. It's just it's we have been
watching this is the last six years. In the last

(20:06):
six years we have been The best we've seen is
right now. The best we've seen is right now. We
are a three win team, and the best we've seen
is right now now. These there's obvious reasons for that.
The defensive rank, Like, for example, in twenty twenty two,

(20:29):
the defense is ranked four fourth overall. Last year they're
third in yards and twelfth in points. And then the
you know, it's like you see it, that helps a
whole bunch, and we don't have that this year, but
you throw it back a bunch of years before that.
We had a little bit better year in twenty nineteen

(20:49):
as far as or twenty twelve with the offense you
obviously had. Twenty fifteen, we were eleventh in points and
tenth in yards. But by and large we are a
bottom five offensive team and we have been pretty much
that way since twenty eleven. Pretty much we're bottom of

(21:14):
the bunch. And so it leads me to this idea,
this this whole thing we talk about. You know what
the coach can be. You know what we're gonna do.
If we're gonna keep Aaron Rodgers, he says he wants
to stay. You know, I don't know, man, you're gonna
keep a guy that's gonna stay one here, It's more

(21:35):
than likely gonna prohibit the hiring of some coaches. I mean,
you're gonna have to write it in their contract like
year one. No matter what happens is not gonna be
held against you. You gotta do it. Nobody's gonna come
and say, oh yeah, I'll take the lump unless they're
just like you'd everybody you'd like says no, and you
gotta go down to the dregs. You gotta go, like

(21:58):
to the Jaguars offensive court or some shit like that.
He'll go, yeah, yeah, I'll take the job. I don't care.
I'll be a head coach in the NFL. Why not,
you know what I mean. I don't know who it is.
Maybe he was, I don't know, but something along those
lines are a guy who's fired and just you know,
like if you had Peterson fired from the Eagles goes
to the Jags fired from the Jet if he gets fired,

(22:20):
maybe he'll come something like that. But you get to
this point where it doesn't matter. And I know that
we talk about it all the time. The Jets have
primarily higher defensive coaches for the past, I mean since
the last we did a two year stint with Adam Gase,
which was just very very it was a fool's errand
very ill advised hiring. But he shouldn't taint the fact

(22:44):
that the Jets outside of him have highed defensive coaches
exclusively since nineteen ninety seven, exclusively Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick
for a minute, but then al grow, followed by Eric Mangini,

(23:05):
follow I'm sorry by Herm Edwards, followed by Eric Mangini,
followed by Rex Ryan, followed by Todd Bowles. Right then
we hire gae for a minute, followed by Robert Salah,
followed by Olbricht. So nine out of the last ten coaches,
and guess how many of those it was their first

(23:27):
time doing the a head coaching job, all but Gasee
all of them. So we hire rookie defensive coaches. So like,
there's two sides to that. Now, do you go with
a you know, a rookie if he's offense, you have
to weigh out he's a good offensive coach, but he's

(23:47):
still a rookie. Does the offense outweigh the rookie piece
or does the rookie outweigh the offensive piece? And that'll
bring you to guys like Flores and obviously Vrabel, who
I think is the is the krem de la creme
of this year's crop. I gonna have offers from every
single team. I'd be surprised if they didn't. And you're
gonna go for it. You're gonna have to say, hey,

(24:08):
here's seventeen million dollars a year and you get to
pick your GM and you have full control. And I
won't think that's what That's what it's gonna take. Now,
does he deserve that. He's not. He never won a
Super Bowl, But that's what it's gonna take. He'll go
to the Cowboys, He'll go somewhere else. But the offensive woes. Granted,
it's not the worst offense we've seen, even though the

(24:32):
the milestones that were hitting are in many ways worse
than ever. It's the expectation that makes this that much worse.
But the ineptitude looks the same, it feels the same.
We're still I mean, we're in the bottom six, but
that's you know, we're in the bottom end of the

(24:52):
league still to this day, it's chump change that's separating
the top you know, the Bobo five and then the
bottom six. So once again we're right in that bottom
five range. Something the shift of the New York Jets
has to be placed on the offense. We must absolutely

(25:15):
must she shed this idea that defense wins championships. It doesn't.
It can help, right, you need a defense, but it
is not the thing. Offense is where it's at. And
it just so happens that this team already has offensive firepower.

(25:37):
We cannot put it together and potentially we have forfeits
of the offensive line built you get a real coach,
Keith Carter has proven nothing nothing. He's not a well
respected offensive coach out there. So when you look at
the last bunch of years with this team, it has

(25:59):
been offense. Now again, we've had our years where the
defense wasn't as good or whatever, but the consistent theme
is the offense is the problem. And even though this
is not the worst offense that we've seen, it is
still the problem. And yes, they scored twenty seven points today,

(26:22):
and yes, the defense gave up twenty eight the offense
when they knew when we were driving down the field,
you hey, you got to get in the end zone.
You got to make it. So a drive from them
can't can't win it. And again the defense gave you
one touchdown all but you just had to get it in,
which isn't guaranteed as we know. So it's one of

(26:44):
those things. Man, this team apps if you just look
at it, you back up and you take a look.
I'm gonna say offensive mine Trump's rookie head can. I
hate to say it. It trumps the defensive focus. Like

(27:06):
if you can get Ben Johnson or or Floores, you
gotta take Ben Johnson. I know he's a rookie, you
gotta do it. You gotta do it. If you can
get Joe Brady, I think you gotta do it. And
it's not my it's not my normal operating setting. I
want to a seasoned head coach. I'm tired of this

(27:27):
being the training grounds for future head coaches elsewhere or
whatever I want. I want to I want vrapel and
I would get them. You gotta get them at all costs.
What unless he goes Listen, man, stop calling me. You're ugly.
I don't want to date you anymore. I just just move.
If Lissa says no, I don't. You can give me
one hundred million dollars a year and I would still

(27:48):
say no, then that is what it is which might happen. Well,
let me know what you think, man. I mean, I look,
I think we're entering Tankville. I'll root when we come
from the buy against the Seattle, we're until we're mathematically eliminated.
I root for wins, but it is getting damn near
time to start the tankathon, and that sucks. But once

(28:12):
I'm in, I'm in. Once I commit, I commit. I
don't care about moral victories against the Patriots, I don't
care about I don't care. It's about the next regime
having the best possible draft pick to start to start
the motor up. That's what it is. So let me know.
Does offense trump's trump experience or does experience trump offense?

(28:34):
Even if it's an experienced defensive guy like a Flores
or a Vraybel, does that trump the fact that they're
both defensive backgrounds. Let me know. Let me know in
the comments, guys, we'll keep talking about this team. We
had some fun today and for that I'm grateful. I

(28:54):
enjoy spending my Sundays with you, guys. I still do.
If it wasn't for you, guys, I wouldn't even be watching.
Maybe I would, but I might turn it off. I
wouldn't have turned today's off, though it was down to
the wire, down to the wire, I don't know what
the hell that last thing with Aaron Rodgers was throwing
the ball. I gotta watch the film. I didn't see
it the replay yet, but it looked silly to me.

(29:16):
I don't know what that was. You need Aaron Rodgers
to get the ball down the fields. We getting the
field goal range and he throws it backwards. We lost
thirteen yards in the first play. I don't know. I
don't know, but let me know how you feel. Offense
Trump experience experienced Trump off offense? Where are you with
this stuff? That all said, have a great rest of
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