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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Well, hey again, Jets fans. What's happening? So much has
gone on and we haven't talked, we haven't had a
minute to sit down and chit chat about the New
York Jets. I am back. I'll tell you why I
was gone in just a second. First I must say welcome,
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Welcome to green Bean's jet spot. I am green Bean,
and I am delighted that you would carve out some
time during your most likely busy, oppressive day to spend
with me. So I'm grateful for that, and I thank you.
I thank everybody in the car or listening in audio
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formats in one place or another. Maybe you're sitting in
Central Park. Maybe you're in you know, in the middle
of some Saint Louis Golden Arch park, not Golden Archs,
what's it called the Saint Louis Arch. I've sat there,
I've listened to I listened to. I was in Saint
Louis under the Arch listening to Ryan from Jets Talk
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twenty four to seven. What the hell's the matter with me?
I mean, nothing to do with Ryan, but I'm at
the Arch. I'm like, let me see what Ryan has
to say about this thing. So I get it. So
thank you to wherever you are. It's a fun thing
that we get to do, you know. Like I've said
many many times, sometimes with the Jets, man, I don't
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even know if I'd watch anymore. I'm serious. I was like,
this just is very little positivity, very little fun. If
it wasn't for you guys, if it wasn't for you
the Jets community, whether that be all of you folks
in the chat, the people that DM me on Instagram, Twitter,
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you know, all the social media platforms, and then obviously
for me, the Jets content creator community. I mean, they're
just there's not a there's not a butthole in the
bunch other than Nick Shine. Of course, Nick Shine. I
don't know, man, that guy. I'm just kidding. I do
happen to have great love for Nick. We have a
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special relationship where he's completely enamored with green beand wants
to look like me, wants to you know, the whole
the whole thing. So I look, I take it as
why not, I just choose flattery, right, it's flattered, flattered Nick.
Thank you so much for biting off me and trying
to be me every turn and growing the beard and
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then comparing your second rate Beard to mine and the
whole thing. But everybody else is really really great, whether
it's or Ryan and Matt and dom C and the
Bluetts and Nanya's and Sabos of the world, and then y'all,
you know, the Tegos and Gunny. I mean, there's just
so many Frankie, Jeremy, you know, it goes on and
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on and on and on. D K. I love these guys.
So without you, guys, I'm telling you, I'd be toast.
I'd be gone, I'd be a puff of smoke. On Wait, what,
there's football. That's what I'd be doing the NFL. What
is that people give their entire week and then a
whole day on the weekend for a team that never wins.
It doesn't make any sense. That's what I'd be doing.
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for sponsoring Green Beans Jets Pod. So, guys, look, I
haven't been around in a week, and it feels like
it's been months. Honestly, it's just been. It's been it's
been less than a week actually, but it's still it
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feels like a month. Like generally speaking, I released this
podcast on Monday mornings, and I apologize to all my
six am Monday morning drivers because I get a lot.
I have a lot of those, and they tell me,
look man, like six to six, six thirty, like without
your podcast, I don't know if I can go to
work that kind of a thing. So I apologize, and
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I do enjoy being of some assistance in your work week,
starting it up right and all that jazz. But so
in the past seven day period, all from up to Monday,
I saw two concerts. I had to take my son
to Baltimore. As you guys know, I live in Virginia
down in the Charlottesville area, so it's three hours or
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so to Baltimore. So I took them to Baltimore on
a Monday night to see King Diamond, one of my
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personal favorites. My son's first time ever seeing him, so
it was a big deal. And then we switched gears
a little bit and we went to New York City.
I brought my wife and kids to see probably the
last time he's going to be around. Only five dates
on his whole tour Rome London, Los Angeles, New York.
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He had two separate places in Los Angeles, which is
where you get five but four cities and the whole tour,
and this is probably it. He's seventy eight years old,
the one and only David Gilmore. I wanted my family
to see this guy one time before they you know,
before he calls it quits. So we went up to
MSG and saw David Gilmore. A little bit different, different
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feel right then King Diamond.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Were w.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Uh. So we had quite the week and it was
just difficult to put everything together, family and on that Jets.
So we're doing it now. Now, Look, we had a lot,
We had a lot going on this week. Number one,
the Jets won the game. Now it's interesting because we'll
talk about a few things, but then we're going to
get into something that I think I had a pretty
severe emotional shift recently and I want to share it
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with you. And I think that as a Jets fan,
I've been getting it wrong the entire time. I've been
getting it wrong for forty two years, Okay, and we're
gonna talk about that. I think I think I might
be able to help some people. And if this is
the case, if what I think is actually true, then
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boy oh boy is just going to be more fun
to lose and suck and all that stuff. So let
me just bear with me. We'll talk about a few
things and we're gonna get to that. Okay, first thing,
as you know, we beat the Texans, and you know,
we should have beaten the Patriots, and we should have
beaten the Broncos, and my opinion, we should have beaten
the Bills, and so really without field goal kicks, the
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Jets should be if the kicks that were placed went
through the uprights, we're a six and three team, and
it's an entirely different thing. Sala's still here. I mean,
it's a whole different thing. But here we are. We're
at three and six. We beat the six and two Texans,
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and it's one of those one of those things where
it could very easily be the Jets, right, the Jets
do this, and Jets fans are funny because we had
a five game losing streak and you know, we looked
as jointed and we can't stop the run and so
forth and so on, and it's one of those things
where we look at it and we how do you
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find hope five straight losses to really teams we should
be beating and losing by three points one point that
kind of stuff, and it's aggravating. And then in the
Pittsburgh game, we're dominating them in the first half and
then thirty one unanswered points. Ridiculous, ridiculous. We win one game,
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one game granted against a you know, an upper tier
AFC team, young team, burgeoning. Now they didn't have two
wide receivers. We didn't have a whole bunch of players either.
We're playing with four tackles on the offensive line. I mean,
who does that, right with defensive backfield is beat to hell?
So you know what I mean, it's balances out. I
don't want to hear it with injuries. At the same time,
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six and two team, better team in the in the AFC,
and we beat them, So what does it do to us?
We start talking about going on a run, right, that's what.
And this is the thing with like whenever they call
us negative, I want to just make this point. Whatever
people call us negative, and we are right, we're damaged goods,
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we're PTSD, we're weather beaten. We've been through the ringer
and back man and then through the ringer again. We're
like another ringer. Like that's just how it goes with us, Like,
come on, what am I stop going through with So
that's how it is. But all it takes to get
us positive, supportive, loving, we're the most loving, supportive, positive,
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passionate fan base in the NFL. If you just win
some games, five straight losses, one victory, and we're talking
about Garrett Wilson being the you know, one of the
best receivers the NFL. We're talking about Breeze Hall, we're
talking about Aaron Rodgers being back to Montiaas, we're talking
about going on a run. We can get into playoffs
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and then it's a new season. This is one win.
So guys, that's all it takes. It's not us, it's them.
Say oh, if it wasn't for the Jets fans, we'd
be all right. Sure, we shouldn't be throwing bottles, plastic
water bottles, we shouldn't be calling people's mothers, and I
maintain that's the truth. At the same time, win some
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games and none of that shit happens. That's all we're
asking for. Just win some games, is it, Win some games,
be competitive, get to five hundred, you know, get into
playoffs every couple of years and we're fine. We're fine.
We're not asking for much. So he beat them, and
now we're going into play Caro or not Carolina, Sorry,
Arizona Arizona Cardinals, who, by the way, I watched that game.
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I watched half of that game. They looked scary to me.
I was feeling pretty good, you know, just because of
the name the car Cardinals, and I'm a little nervous.
So we'll see how that goes. The Jets gotta beat them.
If the Jets can beat them, and then go into Indianapolis,
which was flexed from a Sunday night game to a
one o'clock game, I love it. That gives us a
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nice string of one pm ors. I am in my glory.
I'm done with the showcase. I don't need to showcase anything.
Let us sit in the little corner and quietly work
on whatever issues we have. So the NFL and their
ultimate wisdom said enough of the Jets on primetime. Even
though we won and it was an exciting second half,
they said, enough enough of this shit. We overshot. No,
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you think two years in a row, seven primetime games
enough is enough? Do we haven't proven anything. Let us
just play football at one o'clock and see where it
goes from there. So there's that. But if we can
beat the Cardinals and then go against the Joe Flacco
led Colts and heading into the by on a three
game win streak puts us at what five and six
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coming out of the by to get to five hundred,
that's a really good place to be. You gotta beat
the Cardinals. You gotta beat the Cardinals. There's no excuse.
Aaron Rodgers, Garrett Wilson, Davonte Adams, Breeze Hall, Malachi Corley,
who when we went to the trade deadline here the
Jets traditionally have been buyers and we were a little early.
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We got Davonte Adams in here right before finally getting
the Hassan Redick stuff hashed out. So it's not like
we didn't bring anybody in, but the Jets jettison yet
another name wide receiver. So the last two years, Joe
Douglas has brought in two wide receivers with an NFL
track record names Nicole Hardman and Mike Williams. Mike Williams
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the famous Taylor Hammeg and Cheese by our buddy nyj Mike,
beautiful story, fun time and all that jazz. It didn't
work out for us, and we're already trading him two
years in a row. We're trading our receivers away. I'm
gonna tell you my honest feelings on it. I don't
think we should have the idea of having Garrett Wilson,
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Davante Adams, and Mike Williams on the field in eleven personnel.
It's like, finally we have a legitimate receiving corp that
had that. Teams have to fear that, teams have to
really account for now. Yes, Mike Williams and Aaron Rodgers,
that connection never really materialized. They had some moments, but
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overall it's been rough. Why can't we have nice things?
So it's like we just get it a couple weeks
and we and we Jettis for a fifth round pick.
Now you can talk about the value of a fifth
round pick for a guy of Mike Williams, age and
and you know, and whatever, all this stuff. I guess
it's fine. You sign a free agent, you pay him
four and a half million dollars. They are going to
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take on the second half of the contract, so you
lose that that monetary obligation, then you get a fifth
It's fine. But if we're going on a run, here.
I liked having it. And see, I'm a firm believer
that the Jets need to account and plan for worst
case scenario. No GM that we've ever had ever seems
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to think that that's the case. We're one layer deep,
Like if Garrett Wilson goes down, you know, we're looking
at now, We're looking at Davonte Adams until Alan Lazard
comes back. We're talking about Davonte Adams and you know,
Malachi Corley, Gibson, Brownlee, Herb Charles just like that. And
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I would rather not do that. And they just don't
seem to understand, you know, like why can't we all
get along? Why is there every year there's some sort
of rift on this team. I don't get it. So
I didn't like the trade that said. Ulbricht basically said
that this means that Malachi Corley has earned the spot
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and he's gonna see more reps. Aaron Rodgers said he'd
like to see IRV Charles get the reps. My hope
is that Aaron Rodgers, can you know, that's really great
that you feel that way. But IRV Charles is our
special team's ace, and we're not gonna dilute that in
any capacity. He might you get some offensive reps, that's fine,
but this is Malachi Corley's position. That's what I want
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to see. He gives us the most bang for the buck,
the most upside. Yes, he had the flub against the Texans.
But again, if people say, oh, he's a young punk,
I don't think so. I think he was excited. You
see his face when they show it from the back end,
looking out, you know, looking toward him. He's like, he
can't believe it. I get in the game and I'm
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scoring a touchdown and on me late and he just
let the ball go stupid and it's wrong and it
shouldn't happen. And I was furious. But let's not beat it.
Let's not beat him up. He's never gonna do that again.
The next time he scores a touchdown. He's taking that
shit to his mud. You know, he is, you know
what I mean, He's never letting go. I can let
go over and out. You're on the sideline. It's all good.
We kicked the extra point. You sure like he's gonna
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be like that. He's never gonna do that again. And
I think the talent and the upside far outweigh the
mistake that he made. He made it to the you know,
to the one inch line and decide just got excited.
He's excited. Man. We all do shit when we're excited,
so I do like that. But I would rather have
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Mike Williams bounce to the four and keep him on deck.
Hey man, you know, we never know what's gonna happen
around here. So that's what happened. Now. There was also
some non moves. A lot of Jets fans, myself included,
we're hoping that they'd bring in a run stopping defensive tackle.
There wasn't that much out there. We talked about Quentin
Jefferson because he was here last year. Maybe not a
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run stopper per se, but he's a good defensive tackle
and we would have liked to bring him back. He
chose the Buffalo Bills. I'm sure the Jets we're interested.
As matter of fact, I'm fairly certain that they were.
But he said, look, three win, team disarray, fire the
head coach, we don't know what's going on with Joe Douglass.
Aaron Rodgers looks spotty up and down, and then we
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got the seven win Buffalo Bills. I'm gonna I'm gonna
go there, make it. I mean, can you blame a
guy we always get mad? Yeah, Joe Douglass. What if
the players said, I'm not coming there, man, I'm not
coming like you can't blame a guy for that. So
that was frustrating. But here we are. Here we are.
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We got a game against the Cardinals. We did win
a game. We kind of broke the seal. We cracked
the damn if you will, and maybe the windle start coming.
Because the truth is, guys, is the team is talented.
Yes we're injured, Yes we're banged up, and yes we
had a rocky path getting here. But I think the
Garrett Wilson Aaron Rodgers connection, the Breeese Hall, you know,
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having Devonte Adams and Garrett will out there is causing
teams to loosen up a little bit because Aaron Rodgers
is hitting them now and that you see it. I mean,
Briest Hall is able to get around the edge and
poke through and get ten twelve fifteen yard games. And
that's what we're talking about. That's what we were hoping
to see from the beginning of the season. It took
a little longer than we'd hoped. But here we are.
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Now let's get into my shift in thinking, the whole
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favorite sportbook. So uh, here we go. Now here's the thing. Now.
I have been a Jets fan since nineteen eighty two, right,
it really started. I watched some games before this, but
particularly the playoffs, but my Jets fandom really started in
the Mud Bowl as a loser, right, so I became
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I made the choice to be a Jets fan in
one of the most embarrassing losses in New York Jets history,
the Mud Ball AFC Championship against the Dallas. I'm Dallas,
the Miami Dolphins, and you know Aj Dewey two pick six,
is Richard Todd five interceptions or whatever it was, And
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I'm like, that's my team. You know, you're just looking
back with hindsight, you go, of course, of course you're
a fucking loser. I mean that you made a loser choice.
But it was exciting. Really. What happened was I was there.
I was at the ground round in Belleville right with
Aunt Gina. She took me there, and we sat at
the bar, and I was eating peanuts and throwing the
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shells on the floor. If you remember the Ground Round,
that was their big claim to fame. Eat peanuts and
throw the shit on the floor. So that's what I did.
I was a little kid. I was ten years old,
and there were the two, these two guys. I can
still see him in my head. Don't want blonde hair,
mustache glasses. This guy, he was relentlessly just berating my beloved,
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peace loving aunt Gina, and she's the perpetual, ultimate positive
Jets fan. We're gonna come back like that kind of thing.
And I just I was ten years old, but I
already had envisioned choking this guy to his death. Right,
Like that's that's how it started. I said, that's it.
Like I'm a fan of this team. I'm gonna defend
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at Gina, and we're gonna kick their ass. And I
hate the Dolphins, which is why when we get into
these philosophical debates about what team you hate more like
for me, it's I mean, yes, the Pats, right, they
did the whole thing for twenty friggin years, but it's
the Dolphins in my heart, I hate him and then
we had the Kenny O'Brien, Dan Marino wars and all
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that kind of stuff. So that's what started it. But
I've been a Jets fan since that time, and I've
had very very little fun, right, Like, there's some fun times.
It's a fun week here, fun straight there, you know,
But by and large, it's been a big batch of
disappointment and pain. But throughout that time, especially since nineteen
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ninety two when free agency started, right, so especially from
that point on. Yes, we had the Sack exchange. Before that,
we had Freemia McNeil, Wesley Walker, McKey, Schuller, all those
guys that I loved. I mean, I'm sorry, but the
free agency is really what kicked it into overdrive. The
first year of free agency, the Jets just shoot out
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of a cannon and we signed Leonard Marshall, who was
a big name in New York sports. He played, you know,
with Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks and Gary Reasons and
all those guys, Phil McConkie and Bavarro, and we stole
them from the Giants and it was like, wait a minute,
this free agency thing is interesting. Then the Jets get
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Ronnie Lott, arguably at that time my favorite non Jet
and the reason being is because he obliterated everybody he
played against. He just knocked the snot out of everybody.
The fact that the Jets stolen or Marshall went and
got Ronnie Lott. We were in the Reggie White sweepstakes,
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and then we went and got a quarterback named boomersiasin
and it was like, wait a second, you want to
talk headlines. So from that moment on, the Jets have
figured out away. While we haven't won on the field
very often, every year or two or whatever it might be,
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the Jets are one of the most exciting teams of
the offseason. Fair we say it all the time. We're
the offseason champs. Yeah, sure, everybody you know teams have
a good year here and there, but we're still right
with him. We're either the most exciting offseason biggest moves
or we're right there in the top three. The Jets
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know how to keep us engaged right, to keep us going,
to keep us here again, we talk about this all
the time. Woody Johnson bought the team in nineteen ninety
nine for six hundred and twenty five million dollars. It's
currently over six billion, so he's ten times this value
and we haven't been successful. What business can you open
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that you improve its value by ten times and say
your product sucks and nobody likes it. Imagine. So we
found this niche and what I realized is this. I
don't know if it was in meditation, if I had
a weird dream, I don't remember when it happened, but
I just had this epiphany. The Jets aren't really a
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football team. Yes, we play football. We are a part
of the NFL and we go on the field for
seventeen games during the season. We have a quarterback, we
have defensive backs. We have safeties and defensive tackles, and
we have left tackles and running backs. We have all
the thing. We have a head coach, we have running
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backs coaches, we have defensive backs coaches. We have all
the stuff water boys, but we're not really a football team.
There are teams that are serious. The Pittsburgh Steelers, the
Baltimore Ravens come to mind. They're serious. They're football teams.
They've always been football teams, right. We have famous stuff
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where like mel Kiper, it's clear that the Jets don't
know what their draft is about because We're not drafting
for football prowess. We're drafting for what we really are.
And this is the shift you ready, The Jets are
merely entertainment. The Jets have I mean, look, if we win, great,
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but if we lose, we sell just as many jerseys,
the whole thing, because we know how to get Hassan Redick,
we know how to get Devonte Adams, whether it's Art
Monk or like I said, Leonard Marsh whatever to the
big draft picks. We trade and we do all the things.
It's that's where the money is. It's the perception of
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excitement and hope. More so, the focus is there as
opposed to building a real football contender. It doesn't matter.
Sure we put up that front, eh, I'm pissed off,
I'm gonna fire blah blah blah blah blah. There enough
is enough. I want wins, that's great. It's all lip service.
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Everything is lip service. The Jets are merely here as
an It's a TV show. It's a sitcom, that's all
it is. If I look at it that way and
just go all right, well, this is one. This is
one of those episodes where we lose and there's sad music.
They should do that at the end. But that's the Godfather.
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I don't know why I don't. I can't think of
a sad song. What's a sad song? Just something like that,
some sad shit. I want to think of the Hulk music,
remember the Hulk when he was walking away the first
Hulk TB show. But uh, if THEYD does embrace it
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now in that thinking like, so, if we don't do everything,
we get to the super Bowl or everything this year
is a different conversation. But let's assume that we don't
do that. It's very, very hard, as we know, and
they fire everybody this year. They clean house and they
fire everybody. We're talking about. You gotta get Ben Jonson,
you gotta get Vrabel, all right, we have Camps Flores
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and whatever it might be. Whoever is Joe Brady, whoever
your guy is right? Why do we want those guys
because we want the chance to win. But we're going
about it all wrong. So while I have said many times,
if we're looking at it through the lens of wins
and losses and actually doing something, the idea of Rex
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Ryan or whoever is silly Rex Ryan had two success years.
He had four flops here, then went to the Buffalo
Bills and had two flops there, and he hasn't a
coach since. So this idea, it's like selective memory. We're
remembering the the honeymoon period with with the love right,
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and we don't forget we you know, we don't remember
all the terrible years where she's slashing your tires and
you remember, Oh, it was so fun in the beginning,
and we had these great dates and we had so
much fun looking over the beach the sun's sunrise or whatever,
and it's like, yeah, well we had four years of mayhem.
You can't go back. But if you're looking at the
Jets through a purely entertainment perspective, I think we hire
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a coach, a general manager, and a slew of characters
that are fun, that are exciting. They say weird shit,
they get people pissed off, and we never fire them never.
It's just who we are. Like, I've been here forty
two years. Why can't the head coach be here twenty years?
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Why can't the GM just be the GM for twenty years?
Why not just hire the guys and if they win,
they win. They're trying. They still do the stuff they're
still drafting, they're still free agents, and they're still playing football.
If we get the collection of people and they win, great, great.
But you hire Rex and Tanny, you get them back,
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You get them back. Trader Mike, he's talking about I
forget the player, but he's talking about who was Oh,
Miles Garrett. He said the Detroit Lions should give three
first round picks. And I'm like, okay, fuck it, go ahead, Mike,
send three first Get Miles Garrett in here and whatever.
Trader Mike and Rex get them back together, get the
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band back together. Who's the most exciting offensive coordinator you
can think of? I mean, who's gonna just fit right
in with Rex and take care of the offense. Adam
Gase get in in here. He's on the sideline going,
you know, like one of the well, who cares. It's fun.
It's exciting that if we do that and we just
have a blast. We get on Sundays, we get a
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whole bunch of wings and Dorito's and whatever beer, whatever
the hell it is, and we just go in there
and go, hey we win great. If not, I'm having
a good time today. We've had it backwards. Everybody the
Jets aren't a serious NFL team. People try to tell us,
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and we get mad, and I'll tell you about it.
Not who we are. Hire Rex Ryan, Hire Rob Ryan
as the defensive coordinator. Let them fistfight on the sideline,
you know what I mean. Get Greg Williams in here
as the d as a linebackers coach. Screw it, dude,
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screw it. Just do that and let us have a
dramatic episode of the New York Jets Crazy Town show.
Every single week we go into the offseason, we win.
That's when we win. You see, I personally like it.
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If we're gonna be this, you gotta know who you
are in life, right, You got to embrace your truth.
And if your truth is we're not really a football team,
we've tried to pretend we were not. So let's have
a blast. Let's just own who we are and have
some fun. Let me know what you think. Who else
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is a outspoken person out there? Who give me some
players that never shut up? Get Dion Sanders in your
draft them, draft the kid, Let them run around like
a crazy man. Do it, do it, do it. That's
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the way. Let me know what you think in the comments.
Maybe I'm just. Maybe I've maybe I've cracked. I don't know,
maybe I've I've I'm broke. Maybe I have no answers
to anything. Maybe that's all it is, But I think
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Time, and as always, go Jets
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Not five
Well, hey again, Jets fans. What's happening? So much has
gone on and we haven't talked, we haven't had a
minute to sit down and chit chat about the New
York Jets. I am back. I'll tell you why I
was gone in just a second. First I must say welcome,
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Welcome to green Bean's jet spot. I am green Bean,
and I am delighted that you would carve out some
time during your most likely busy, oppressive day to spend
with me. So I'm grateful for that, and I thank you.
I thank everybody in the car or listening in audio
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formats in one place or another. Maybe you're sitting in
Central Park. Maybe you're in you know, in the middle
of some Saint Louis Golden Arch park, not Golden Archs,
what's it called the Saint Louis Arch. I've sat there,
I've listened to I listened to. I was in Saint
Louis under the Arch listening to Ryan from Jets Talk
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twenty four to seven. What the hell's the matter with me?
I mean, nothing to do with Ryan, but I'm at
the Arch. I'm like, let me see what Ryan has
to say about this thing. So I get it. So
thank you to wherever you are. It's a fun thing
that we get to do, you know. Like I've said
many many times, sometimes with the Jets, man, I don't
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even know if I'd watch anymore. I'm serious. I was like,
this just is very little positivity, very little fun. If
it wasn't for you guys, if it wasn't for you
the Jets community, whether that be all of you folks
in the chat, the people that DM me on Instagram, Twitter,
(02:08):
you know, all the social media platforms, and then obviously
for me, the Jets content creator community. I mean, they're
just there's not a there's not a butthole in the
bunch other than Nick Shine. Of course, Nick Shine. I
don't know, man, that guy. I'm just kidding. I do
happen to have great love for Nick. We have a
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special relationship where he's completely enamored with green beand wants
to look like me, wants to you know, the whole
the whole thing. So I look, I take it as
why not, I just choose flattery, right, it's flattered, flattered Nick.
Thank you so much for biting off me and trying
to be me every turn and growing the beard and
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then comparing your second rate Beard to mine and the
whole thing. But everybody else is really really great, whether
it's or Ryan and Matt and dom C and the
Bluetts and Nanya's and Sabos of the world, and then y'all,
you know, the Tegos and Gunny. I mean, there's just
so many Frankie, Jeremy, you know, it goes on and
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on and on and on. D K. I love these guys.
So without you, guys, I'm telling you, I'd be toast.
I'd be gone, I'd be a puff of smoke. On Wait, what,
there's football. That's what I'd be doing the NFL. What
is that people give their entire week and then a
whole day on the weekend for a team that never wins.
It doesn't make any sense. That's what I'd be doing.
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haven't been around in a week, and it feels like
it's been months. Honestly, it's just been. It's been it's
been less than a week actually, but it's still it
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feels like a month. Like generally speaking, I released this
podcast on Monday mornings, and I apologize to all my
six am Monday morning drivers because I get a lot.
I have a lot of those, and they tell me,
look man, like six to six, six thirty, like without
your podcast, I don't know if I can go to
work that kind of a thing. So I apologize, and
(05:23):
I do enjoy being of some assistance in your work week,
starting it up right and all that jazz. But so
in the past seven day period, all from up to Monday,
I saw two concerts. I had to take my son
to Baltimore. As you guys know, I live in Virginia
down in the Charlottesville area, so it's three hours or
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so to Baltimore. So I took them to Baltimore on
a Monday night to see King Diamond, one of my
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personal favorites. My son's first time ever seeing him, so
it was a big deal. And then we switched gears
a little bit and we went to New York City.
I brought my wife and kids to see probably the
last time he's going to be around. Only five dates
on his whole tour Rome London, Los Angeles, New York.
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He had two separate places in Los Angeles, which is
where you get five but four cities and the whole tour,
and this is probably it. He's seventy eight years old,
the one and only David Gilmore. I wanted my family
to see this guy one time before they you know,
before he calls it quits. So we went up to
MSG and saw David Gilmore. A little bit different, different
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feel right then King Diamond.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Were w.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Uh. So we had quite the week and it was
just difficult to put everything together, family and on that Jets.
So we're doing it now. Now, Look, we had a lot,
We had a lot going on this week. Number one,
the Jets won the game. Now it's interesting because we'll
talk about a few things, but then we're going to
get into something that I think I had a pretty
severe emotional shift recently and I want to share it
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with you. And I think that as a Jets fan,
I've been getting it wrong the entire time. I've been
getting it wrong for forty two years, Okay, and we're
gonna talk about that. I think I think I might
be able to help some people. And if this is
the case, if what I think is actually true, then
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boy oh boy is just going to be more fun
to lose and suck and all that stuff. So let
me just bear with me. We'll talk about a few
things and we're gonna get to that. Okay, first thing,
as you know, we beat the Texans, and you know,
we should have beaten the Patriots, and we should have
beaten the Broncos, and my opinion, we should have beaten
the Bills, and so really without field goal kicks, the
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Jets should be if the kicks that were placed went
through the uprights, we're a six and three team, and
it's an entirely different thing. Sala's still here. I mean,
it's a whole different thing. But here we are. We're
at three and six. We beat the six and two Texans,
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and it's one of those one of those things where
it could very easily be the Jets, right, the Jets
do this, and Jets fans are funny because we had
a five game losing streak and you know, we looked
as jointed and we can't stop the run and so
forth and so on, and it's one of those things
where we look at it and we how do you
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find hope five straight losses to really teams we should
be beating and losing by three points one point that
kind of stuff, and it's aggravating. And then in the
Pittsburgh game, we're dominating them in the first half and
then thirty one unanswered points. Ridiculous, ridiculous. We win one game,
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one game granted against a you know, an upper tier
AFC team, young team, burgeoning. Now they didn't have two
wide receivers. We didn't have a whole bunch of players either.
We're playing with four tackles on the offensive line. I mean,
who does that, right with defensive backfield is beat to hell?
So you know what I mean, it's balances out. I
don't want to hear it with injuries. At the same time,
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six and two team, better team in the in the AFC,
and we beat them, So what does it do to us?
We start talking about going on a run, right, that's what.
And this is the thing with like whenever they call
us negative, I want to just make this point. Whatever
people call us negative, and we are right, we're damaged goods,
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we're PTSD, we're weather beaten. We've been through the ringer
and back man and then through the ringer again. We're
like another ringer. Like that's just how it goes with us, Like,
come on, what am I stop going through with So
that's how it is. But all it takes to get
us positive, supportive, loving, we're the most loving, supportive, positive,
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passionate fan base in the NFL. If you just win
some games, five straight losses, one victory, and we're talking
about Garrett Wilson being the you know, one of the
best receivers the NFL. We're talking about Breeze Hall, we're
talking about Aaron Rodgers being back to Montiaas, we're talking
about going on a run. We can get into playoffs
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and then it's a new season. This is one win.
So guys, that's all it takes. It's not us, it's them.
Say oh, if it wasn't for the Jets fans, we'd
be all right. Sure, we shouldn't be throwing bottles, plastic
water bottles, we shouldn't be calling people's mothers, and I
maintain that's the truth. At the same time, win some
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games and none of that shit happens. That's all we're
asking for. Just win some games, is it, Win some games,
be competitive, get to five hundred, you know, get into
playoffs every couple of years and we're fine. We're fine.
We're not asking for much. So he beat them, and
now we're going into play Caro or not Carolina, Sorry,
Arizona Arizona Cardinals, who, by the way, I watched that game.
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I watched half of that game. They looked scary to me.
I was feeling pretty good, you know, just because of
the name the car Cardinals, and I'm a little nervous.
So we'll see how that goes. The Jets gotta beat them.
If the Jets can beat them, and then go into Indianapolis,
which was flexed from a Sunday night game to a
one o'clock game, I love it. That gives us a
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nice string of one pm ors. I am in my glory.
I'm done with the showcase. I don't need to showcase anything.
Let us sit in the little corner and quietly work
on whatever issues we have. So the NFL and their
ultimate wisdom said enough of the Jets on primetime. Even
though we won and it was an exciting second half,
they said, enough enough of this shit. We overshot. No,
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you think two years in a row, seven primetime games
enough is enough? Do we haven't proven anything. Let us
just play football at one o'clock and see where it
goes from there. So there's that. But if we can
beat the Cardinals and then go against the Joe Flacco
led Colts and heading into the by on a three
game win streak puts us at what five and six
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coming out of the by to get to five hundred,
that's a really good place to be. You gotta beat
the Cardinals. You gotta beat the Cardinals. There's no excuse.
Aaron Rodgers, Garrett Wilson, Davonte Adams, Breeze Hall, Malachi Corley,
who when we went to the trade deadline here the
Jets traditionally have been buyers and we were a little early.
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We got Davonte Adams in here right before finally getting
the Hassan Redick stuff hashed out. So it's not like
we didn't bring anybody in, but the Jets jettison yet
another name wide receiver. So the last two years, Joe
Douglas has brought in two wide receivers with an NFL
track record names Nicole Hardman and Mike Williams. Mike Williams
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the famous Taylor Hammeg and Cheese by our buddy nyj Mike,
beautiful story, fun time and all that jazz. It didn't
work out for us, and we're already trading him two
years in a row. We're trading our receivers away. I'm
gonna tell you my honest feelings on it. I don't
think we should have the idea of having Garrett Wilson,
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Davante Adams, and Mike Williams on the field in eleven personnel.
It's like, finally we have a legitimate receiving corp that
had that. Teams have to fear that, teams have to
really account for now. Yes, Mike Williams and Aaron Rodgers,
that connection never really materialized. They had some moments, but
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overall it's been rough. Why can't we have nice things?
So it's like we just get it a couple weeks
and we and we Jettis for a fifth round pick.
Now you can talk about the value of a fifth
round pick for a guy of Mike Williams, age and
and you know, and whatever, all this stuff. I guess
it's fine. You sign a free agent, you pay him
four and a half million dollars. They are going to
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take on the second half of the contract, so you
lose that that monetary obligation, then you get a fifth
It's fine. But if we're going on a run, here.
I liked having it. And see, I'm a firm believer
that the Jets need to account and plan for worst
case scenario. No GM that we've ever had ever seems
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to think that that's the case. We're one layer deep,
Like if Garrett Wilson goes down, you know, we're looking
at now, We're looking at Davonte Adams until Alan Lazard
comes back. We're talking about Davonte Adams and you know,
Malachi Corley, Gibson, Brownlee, Herb Charles just like that. And
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I would rather not do that. And they just don't
seem to understand, you know, like why can't we all
get along? Why is there every year there's some sort
of rift on this team. I don't get it. So
I didn't like the trade that said. Ulbricht basically said
that this means that Malachi Corley has earned the spot
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and he's gonna see more reps. Aaron Rodgers said he'd
like to see IRV Charles get the reps. My hope
is that Aaron Rodgers, can you know, that's really great
that you feel that way. But IRV Charles is our
special team's ace, and we're not gonna dilute that in
any capacity. He might you get some offensive reps, that's fine,
but this is Malachi Corley's position. That's what I want
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to see. He gives us the most bang for the buck,
the most upside. Yes, he had the flub against the Texans.
But again, if people say, oh, he's a young punk,
I don't think so. I think he was excited. You
see his face when they show it from the back end,
looking out, you know, looking toward him. He's like, he
can't believe it. I get in the game and I'm
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scoring a touchdown and on me late and he just
let the ball go stupid and it's wrong and it
shouldn't happen. And I was furious. But let's not beat it.
Let's not beat him up. He's never gonna do that again.
The next time he scores a touchdown. He's taking that
shit to his mud. You know, he is, you know
what I mean, He's never letting go. I can let
go over and out. You're on the sideline. It's all good.
We kicked the extra point. You sure like he's gonna
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be like that. He's never gonna do that again. And
I think the talent and the upside far outweigh the
mistake that he made. He made it to the you know,
to the one inch line and decide just got excited.
He's excited. Man. We all do shit when we're excited,
so I do like that. But I would rather have
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Mike Williams bounce to the four and keep him on deck.
Hey man, you know, we never know what's gonna happen
around here. So that's what happened. Now. There was also
some non moves. A lot of Jets fans, myself included,
we're hoping that they'd bring in a run stopping defensive tackle.
There wasn't that much out there. We talked about Quentin
Jefferson because he was here last year. Maybe not a
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run stopper per se, but he's a good defensive tackle
and we would have liked to bring him back. He
chose the Buffalo Bills. I'm sure the Jets we're interested.
As matter of fact, I'm fairly certain that they were.
But he said, look, three win, team disarray, fire the
head coach, we don't know what's going on with Joe Douglass.
Aaron Rodgers looks spotty up and down, and then we
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got the seven win Buffalo Bills. I'm gonna I'm gonna
go there, make it. I mean, can you blame a
guy we always get mad? Yeah, Joe Douglass. What if
the players said, I'm not coming there, man, I'm not
coming like you can't blame a guy for that. So
that was frustrating. But here we are. Here we are.
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We got a game against the Cardinals. We did win
a game. We kind of broke the seal. We cracked
the damn if you will, and maybe the windle start coming.
Because the truth is, guys, is the team is talented.
Yes we're injured, Yes we're banged up, and yes we
had a rocky path getting here. But I think the
Garrett Wilson Aaron Rodgers connection, the Breeese Hall, you know,
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having Devonte Adams and Garrett will out there is causing
teams to loosen up a little bit because Aaron Rodgers
is hitting them now and that you see it. I mean,
Briest Hall is able to get around the edge and
poke through and get ten twelve fifteen yard games. And
that's what we're talking about. That's what we were hoping
to see from the beginning of the season. It took
a little longer than we'd hoped. But here we are.
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Now let's get into my shift in thinking, the whole
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favorite sportbook. So uh, here we go. Now here's the thing. Now.
I have been a Jets fan since nineteen eighty two, right,
it really started. I watched some games before this, but
particularly the playoffs, but my Jets fandom really started in
the Mud Bowl as a loser, right, so I became
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I made the choice to be a Jets fan in
one of the most embarrassing losses in New York Jets history,
the Mud Ball AFC Championship against the Dallas. I'm Dallas,
the Miami Dolphins, and you know Aj Dewey two pick six,
is Richard Todd five interceptions or whatever it was, And
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I'm like, that's my team. You know, you're just looking
back with hindsight, you go, of course, of course you're
a fucking loser. I mean that you made a loser choice.
But it was exciting. Really. What happened was I was there.
I was at the ground round in Belleville right with
Aunt Gina. She took me there, and we sat at
the bar, and I was eating peanuts and throwing the
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shells on the floor. If you remember the Ground Round,
that was their big claim to fame. Eat peanuts and
throw the shit on the floor. So that's what I did.
I was a little kid. I was ten years old,
and there were the two, these two guys. I can
still see him in my head. Don't want blonde hair,
mustache glasses. This guy, he was relentlessly just berating my beloved,
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peace loving aunt Gina, and she's the perpetual, ultimate positive
Jets fan. We're gonna come back like that kind of thing.
And I just I was ten years old, but I
already had envisioned choking this guy to his death. Right,
Like that's that's how it started. I said, that's it.
Like I'm a fan of this team. I'm gonna defend
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at Gina, and we're gonna kick their ass. And I
hate the Dolphins, which is why when we get into
these philosophical debates about what team you hate more like
for me, it's I mean, yes, the Pats, right, they
did the whole thing for twenty friggin years, but it's
the Dolphins in my heart, I hate him and then
we had the Kenny O'Brien, Dan Marino wars and all
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that kind of stuff. So that's what started it. But
I've been a Jets fan since that time, and I've
had very very little fun, right, Like, there's some fun times.
It's a fun week here, fun straight there, you know,
But by and large, it's been a big batch of
disappointment and pain. But throughout that time, especially since nineteen
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ninety two when free agency started, right, so especially from
that point on. Yes, we had the Sack exchange. Before that,
we had Freemia McNeil, Wesley Walker, McKey, Schuller, all those
guys that I loved. I mean, I'm sorry, but the
free agency is really what kicked it into overdrive. The
first year of free agency, the Jets just shoot out
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of a cannon and we signed Leonard Marshall, who was
a big name in New York sports. He played, you know,
with Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks and Gary Reasons and
all those guys, Phil McConkie and Bavarro, and we stole
them from the Giants and it was like, wait a minute,
this free agency thing is interesting. Then the Jets get
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Ronnie Lott, arguably at that time my favorite non Jet
and the reason being is because he obliterated everybody he
played against. He just knocked the snot out of everybody.
The fact that the Jets stolen or Marshall went and
got Ronnie Lott. We were in the Reggie White sweepstakes,
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and then we went and got a quarterback named boomersiasin
and it was like, wait a second, you want to
talk headlines. So from that moment on, the Jets have
figured out away. While we haven't won on the field
very often, every year or two or whatever it might be,
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the Jets are one of the most exciting teams of
the offseason. Fair we say it all the time. We're
the offseason champs. Yeah, sure, everybody you know teams have
a good year here and there, but we're still right
with him. We're either the most exciting offseason biggest moves
or we're right there in the top three. The Jets
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know how to keep us engaged right, to keep us going,
to keep us here again, we talk about this all
the time. Woody Johnson bought the team in nineteen ninety
nine for six hundred and twenty five million dollars. It's
currently over six billion, so he's ten times this value
and we haven't been successful. What business can you open
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that you improve its value by ten times and say
your product sucks and nobody likes it. Imagine. So we
found this niche and what I realized is this. I
don't know if it was in meditation, if I had
a weird dream, I don't remember when it happened, but
I just had this epiphany. The Jets aren't really a
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football team. Yes, we play football. We are a part
of the NFL and we go on the field for
seventeen games during the season. We have a quarterback, we
have defensive backs. We have safeties and defensive tackles, and
we have left tackles and running backs. We have all
the thing. We have a head coach, we have running
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backs coaches, we have defensive backs coaches. We have all
the stuff water boys, but we're not really a football team.
There are teams that are serious. The Pittsburgh Steelers, the
Baltimore Ravens come to mind. They're serious. They're football teams.
They've always been football teams, right. We have famous stuff
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where like mel Kiper, it's clear that the Jets don't
know what their draft is about because We're not drafting
for football prowess. We're drafting for what we really are.
And this is the shift you ready, The Jets are
merely entertainment. The Jets have I mean, look, if we win, great,
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but if we lose, we sell just as many jerseys,
the whole thing, because we know how to get Hassan Redick,
we know how to get Devonte Adams, whether it's Art
Monk or like I said, Leonard Marsh whatever to the
big draft picks. We trade and we do all the things.
It's that's where the money is. It's the perception of
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excitement and hope. More so, the focus is there as
opposed to building a real football contender. It doesn't matter.
Sure we put up that front, eh, I'm pissed off,
I'm gonna fire blah blah blah blah blah. There enough
is enough. I want wins, that's great. It's all lip service.
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Everything is lip service. The Jets are merely here as
an It's a TV show. It's a sitcom, that's all
it is. If I look at it that way and
just go all right, well, this is one. This is
one of those episodes where we lose and there's sad music.
They should do that at the end. But that's the Godfather.
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I don't know why I don't. I can't think of
a sad song. What's a sad song? Just something like that,
some sad shit. I want to think of the Hulk music,
remember the Hulk when he was walking away the first
Hulk TB show. But uh, if THEYD does embrace it
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now in that thinking like, so, if we don't do everything,
we get to the super Bowl or everything this year
is a different conversation. But let's assume that we don't
do that. It's very, very hard, as we know, and
they fire everybody this year. They clean house and they
fire everybody. We're talking about. You gotta get Ben Jonson,
you gotta get Vrabel, all right, we have Camps Flores
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and whatever it might be. Whoever is Joe Brady, whoever
your guy is right? Why do we want those guys
because we want the chance to win. But we're going
about it all wrong. So while I have said many times,
if we're looking at it through the lens of wins
and losses and actually doing something, the idea of Rex
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Ryan or whoever is silly Rex Ryan had two success years.
He had four flops here, then went to the Buffalo
Bills and had two flops there, and he hasn't a
coach since. So this idea, it's like selective memory. We're
remembering the the honeymoon period with with the love right,
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and we don't forget we you know, we don't remember
all the terrible years where she's slashing your tires and
you remember, Oh, it was so fun in the beginning,
and we had these great dates and we had so
much fun looking over the beach the sun's sunrise or whatever,
and it's like, yeah, well we had four years of mayhem.
You can't go back. But if you're looking at the
Jets through a purely entertainment perspective, I think we hire
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a coach, a general manager, and a slew of characters
that are fun, that are exciting. They say weird shit,
they get people pissed off, and we never fire them never.
It's just who we are. Like, I've been here forty
two years. Why can't the head coach be here twenty years?
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Why can't the GM just be the GM for twenty years?
Why not just hire the guys and if they win,
they win. They're trying. They still do the stuff they're
still drafting, they're still free agents, and they're still playing football.
If we get the collection of people and they win, great, great.
But you hire Rex and Tanny, you get them back,
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You get them back. Trader Mike, he's talking about I
forget the player, but he's talking about who was Oh,
Miles Garrett. He said the Detroit Lions should give three
first round picks. And I'm like, okay, fuck it, go ahead, Mike,
send three first Get Miles Garrett in here and whatever.
Trader Mike and Rex get them back together, get the
(29:53):
band back together. Who's the most exciting offensive coordinator you
can think of? I mean, who's gonna just fit right
in with Rex and take care of the offense. Adam
Gase get in in here. He's on the sideline going,
you know, like one of the well, who cares. It's fun.
It's exciting that if we do that and we just
have a blast. We get on Sundays, we get a
(30:16):
whole bunch of wings and Dorito's and whatever beer, whatever
the hell it is, and we just go in there
and go, hey we win great. If not, I'm having
a good time today. We've had it backwards. Everybody the
Jets aren't a serious NFL team. People try to tell us,
(30:37):
and we get mad, and I'll tell you about it.
Not who we are. Hire Rex Ryan, Hire Rob Ryan
as the defensive coordinator. Let them fistfight on the sideline,
you know what I mean. Get Greg Williams in here
as the d as a linebackers coach. Screw it, dude,
(30:57):
screw it. Just do that and let us have a
dramatic episode of the New York Jets Crazy Town show.
Every single week we go into the offseason, we win.
That's when we win. You see, I personally like it.
(31:18):
If we're gonna be this, you gotta know who you
are in life, right, You got to embrace your truth.
And if your truth is we're not really a football team,
we've tried to pretend we were not. So let's have
a blast. Let's just own who we are and have
some fun. Let me know what you think. Who else
(31:40):
could we add to the fun mix of characters. Who
is a outspoken person out there? Who give me some
players that never shut up? Get Dion Sanders in your
draft them, draft the kid, Let them run around like
a crazy man. Do it, do it, do it. That's
(32:01):
the way. Let me know what you think in the comments.
Maybe I'm just. Maybe I've maybe I've cracked. I don't know,
maybe I've I've I'm broke. Maybe I have no answers
to anything. Maybe that's all it is, But I think
I might be on the something. Jets fans, let me
know what you think in the comments. Don't forget about
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(32:23):
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have a great day, everybody, I'll talk to you next.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Time, and as always, go Jets
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Not five
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