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Speaker 1 (00:23):
All right, Keny what I mean? What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
What?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And what to do? What's going on? Week eight?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Everybody, We're here Week eight Jets Fans Week Mother Effort eight,
the New York Jets, the Aaron Glenn's of the NFL,
the Woody Johnson, Aaron Glenn Collective, Boom Tanner Engstrand they
pull it together and they get their first victory of
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their lives.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Isn't it wonderful? Congrats? Congrats to you, Congrats to me.
Oh my god. We talk and we bitch and we moan,
and we gripe, and we.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Cry and we argue and we defend and we attack,
and today we get to celebrate and be happy. But
not all of us, not all of us. We'll talk
about the tank we'll talk about the Tanksters, we'll talk
about the Hopsters. We'll talk about some sad news that
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happened this time this weekend, and we'll talk about the
projected future going into the bye week and why you you,
Jets fandom, are the greatest fans in the entire NFL.
I got it all for you on episode one hundred
and eighty eight of green Beans Jets Pod.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I am green Bean, I'm delighted.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Absolutely delighted that you are here with me today. I
am utterly destroyed, exhausted. What a weekend, emotional roller coaster.
You know, it's been a toughye and uh, you know,
hey man, it's a it's a long season.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
We got still.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Nine games, everybody, and we have a little a little,
a little mark, a little, a little one little line.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Uh in the wind column, jets are one.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
And seven, and uh, if I may, I'm gonna make
a suggestion.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
You're ready for this suggestion. I think we are gonna.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Embrace ourselves like we have a little break, right, tiny break.
We're gonna take a little breath of fresh air as
a as an organization. Woody Johnson's gonna take that time.
Take a sock. They're gonna roll up a big bunch
of nice wool socks. Is stuff right in this in
his mouth, so he shuts to calm down, Woodie Johnson,
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all right, we're gonna take a breath, and we're gonna
come back and we're gonna lose our boots right in
the ass of the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, all right, and
that's gonna give us another mark a number two in
the wind column. Now, that's gonna give us some momentum,
because that'll be three straight weeks without a loss.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Right, you got the.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Cinci you got to buy, you got the Browns. So
we run rough shot through Ohio just losing boots and butts.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's what we're doing, running around losing our boots in
all the butts.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
The entire state of Ohio is like, what the hell
just happened? I thought the Jets is they're supposed to
be the Jets. How did the Jets just defeat the
entire state of Ohio? Stopped by King's Island, rode a
couple of roller coasters.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Maybe o'riyon maybe missed it, tim right.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Little little little beast action. Then we went up to
see the point, did.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
A little steel vengeance little Maverick.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
On the way out, we wrote a little, uh, you know,
a little gatekeeper action up there. Then we got the
hell out of there with a bunch of victories.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
That's what we did. Ate some Skyline chili. Is that
where that shit's from? Right? They like that Skyline chili?
You heard of it. I think it's Skyline. It's a
big deal.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
They take chili and they put it on macaroni. They
put it on spaghetti. That's their big thing. They think
they figured it out Ohioans. They're like, hey man, you
ever had I don't know an Ohio accent. Some's gonna
do a fucking Virginian. I don't even know a Virginian accent.
I just know a whatever. And they so they go,
hey man, you ain't had good food till you had
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fucking chili arm spaghetti.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You're like, really, I mean, I'm in. You know what
I mean? Like, I love.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Chili, I love spaghetti. You put him in a ball,
I'm gonna eat it. Throw a little cheese on here.
They take raw onions, they throw it.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They like it.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
That's what they do, and I like it too, So
I'm in. I mean, shit, it's good. But that's what
they think.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
They're like, wah, hell no. They come into shift, Ronald Daus,
I don't even know what I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Come in through chefts Chili and we're gonna take this
nice stamato base to chili. We're gonna put it on
the depasta for you, take a special onions and throw
it in deadly the mint of the cheese.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't even know who I am.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I'm a French Italian Russian guy from fucking Alabama at
this point.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
AnyWho, we're gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
We're gonna be two and oh in the state of Ohio,
half cleaning house in the AFC North right, then we
gotta come back to the AFC East.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I'm a little nervous because you know, look, a lot
of us, you know, you know, you know who.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
We are a lot of us.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
When we had a gentleman named Mike Vrabel in the
building of one Floram Park Drive, one Jets Drive in
florm Park, you had Mike Rabel in the building. Now
everybody knows Mike Rabel was interviewing.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
With the Jets.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The Patriots job was not available yet, but it was
gonna be in the whole thing. He was letting the
Pats organization. No, look, dude, it's now or never. Either
you hire me or I'm gonna go down here to
the rival. You want to keep Jarad Mayl and do
that whole thing. So they used us like so many
teams have done in the past. But it doesn't matter
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what the intentions are beforehand. What you do you have
an opportunity there and you sit down with Mike Vrabel
and you go, look, dude, nobody's naive in this room. Okay,
nobody's naive. We know the deal, we know what your
intentions are, we know what the plan is, we know
what the the whole outcome is gonna We know it.
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But here's the difference. Here's the thing I want to
present to you. I don't really give two shits about
any of that. What I want you to do is
not feel like you have to go back to the
Patriots to do anything like it's your going home. What
I want you to do is I want you to
stay right here, and you're gonna show the Patriots and
the rest of the world why it is that you
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were the number one coaching candidate in this entire class,
and how the Titans never should have let you go.
We're gonna do it right here. Now here's how we're
gonna get it done. I know you want to leave.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
First of all, go fucking order some Skyline Chili and
bring that in here. We're gonna have a Skyline chili.
But the difference is we're gonna cut little cubes.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Of Taylor Ham. I'm gonna throw them on there chef
patro Is gonna come in.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Hey, I'm gonna throw to tailor Ham, little Locatelli cheese
on there. We're gonna mix it all up and you're
gonna I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna open up a
check book, you see, and I'm gonna I'm gonna to
write Woody Johnson. I'm gonna sign it, I'm gonna date it,
and I'm gonna give it to you, and you're gonna
put in there whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That's number one.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Okay, you want a ten year contract, fully guaranteed. I
don't give a shit. That's what you're gonna get. Okay,
that's number one. Number two, I'm gonna let you pick
the GM. You are the boss around here, and I'm
gonna let you design and build the entire New York
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Jets football operation. This is gonna be You're gonna go
down in the annals of history as the guy who
came in and took the worst franchise in all of
professional sports and revamped it and made it a dynasty.
You're not just gonna follow a dynasty up there in
New England. You're not gonna go back and try to
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capture and relive history. You're gonna do something fresh right here,
you're the boss. Here's the money. What do you want it?
I'm going to back up the whole thing. And you
don't let him leave.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's what else do you need?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
What else do you so? And you're gonna see why.
You're seeing why they got What are the Patriots? What's
the what's their record?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Now? Do you guys know the Patriots?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Right?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So listen to this, guys, just so you know, the
Bills have been the cream of the crop of the
AFC East since the dynasty in New England collapsed.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Bill Belichick and Tom Brady had a breakup for a
public similar to Benefit and Angelina and Joe Lee and Billy.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Bob Thornton and all that shit. So they break up.
Now we don't know at the time.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Is it Bill Belichick's greatness that took a sixth round
pick and made him into the greatest quarterback of all time?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Or did the greatest.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Quarterback of all time happen to fall into the lap
of Bill Belichick and make it so he looks like
the greatest coach of all time?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
What is it? Who is it? Is it? To both?
What do we don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
So they do this breakup and we get to look
at it face to face. Tom Brady goes down to
Tampa Bay, an organization that hasn't been in the playoffs
in ten years, and Bill Belichick stays right there. He
doesn't have his quarterback, but he gets a first round
pick quarterback named Mac Jones. He gets to pick a
new guy, and he's got the whole infrastructure, everything's in place.
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Who's gonna be the best? Well, we know Tom Brady
went down there. He brought Gronk with him, and I
think he asked for a j or Antonio Brown.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's who it was.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So other than that, he was a fresh organization. Bruce
Arians is down there the whole thing. Well, Bill Belichick
and the Patriots go to the playoffs. They do they
do a one and done in the playoffs. Okay, fine,
you know whatever. He gets to the playoffs and they
lose their wild card game.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
On the other side of the tracks.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Tom Brady goes right to the Super Bowl and wins it.
It ends the debate because then from there Tom Brady
played one more year. They got to the semifinal round
at the divisional playoffs, and I think they lost.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Maybe it was the championship game, I forget and one
or the other.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
But he loses, doesn't make it too so he goes
down there for two years, gets a Super Bowl ring
and a playoff stint, and Bruce arians retires, leaves the
team to Todd Bowles, and they've been pretty good ever since.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Right leaves the whole thing. Actually he left the year before.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
But Belichick, on the other hand, just lower on the total,
just one year to.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
The next, lower lower, lower.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Get Trida mac Jones, He's playing Bailey Zappi and all
these kinds of things. Bill Belichick gets fired and goes
into the ABYSS. Tom Brady retires and Goetes Haled as
the champion. So we know what happened in all that
time since that, in that window, the Buffalo Bills have
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been the cream of the crop, the of the AFC East,
and it was the Jet That's who the Jets were.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
We're struggling.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
We got Solad, we got Sanche I mean, Zaki Pooh,
got all the guys.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
We're trying.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
We're doing okay, we're losing, we suck, you know, the
whole thing, but we're fighting and we're competent to.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
A degree, but we can't do it.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
And we say, all right, well we need a quarterback.
That's our big problem. The whole team's in place, we're
gonna go for it.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
We go get Aaron Rodgers and that blows up in
our faces.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Meanwhile, the Bills are the cream of the crop, but
they can't seem to get a ring. The Patriots are
lower than us. Miami's doing whatever they do. They're real
hot in the beginning. They fold, they get into the playoffs,
they lose. They haven't won a playoff game in twenty
five years.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
But think of this, the Bills cream of the crop
since the Patriots dynasty.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
They're a great team.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
They're doing the whole thing, but they can't they can't
get the ring. And already last year, the Jets and
Pats are on the head head coaching line looking for
your coach.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
They get Vrabel.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
He brings three former head coaches with him to their staff.
We get rookie Aaron Glenn. He brings a bunch of
rookies and failed head coach and Steve Wilkes, who's only
had one year stints. Everywhere he goes, he has a
one year stint as the Arizona Cardinals head coach with
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Josh Rosen. That fails, they fire him. He's an interim
coach in Carolina when they got rid of Matt Ruhle. Great,
he does some nice things. He gets trades Robbie Anderson
or Chosen One or whatever his name is these days,
and he gets fired there, and then he goes to
defensive coordinator here for a year, defensive coordinator there for
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a year.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So it's a little different.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yes, he's a former head coach, so Aaron Glenn didn't
come in empty handed. But Vrabel's up there doing his thing,
and Aaron Glenn's down here doing his thing. The Buffalo
Bills are still the Buffalo Bills. In that just short
couple of months, Vrabel already has the Pats as the
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number one team in the AFC East at six and two.
The Bills are kind of the same. I think they
already had their bye. So they're five and two, and
the Dolphins are two and six. They just won this weekend,
and the Jets are one and seven after the big,
big victory, yeah against the Bengals, the burrowless Bengals, baby,
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So the Pats are scary we're gonna lose our fucking
boots in the butts of the Ohio chili eaters.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Right, we're gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
But we're gonna come back, and we're gonna go to
New England, into Foxborough Gillette, and we're gonna we gotta
I mean, look, we're gonna have the momentum of three
straight weeks without a loss, right because we're beating Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Damn it.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And then we gotta play the Pats. Can we steal it?
It's afc east the whole thing. We got the momentum
pumped up. Garrett Willson's back, the whole thing. Justin Fields
is playing better. Danner Ringstrand's not so afraid of Justin Fields.
He's letting them play football. The handcuffs are off, right,
so who knows, but the pay the Patriots can ruin it,
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can ruin the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Because here's what we gotta do, guys. We gotta go
on a run.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
If we're gonna ruin this whole tank idea, we gotta
do it with some conviction.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We're gonna have to go to the.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Playoffs and on our way to a Super Bowl bid.
So we got the Browns we're gonna beat them. We
gotta fight with the Patriots, because then they're in the
middle of this weird sandwich AFC North Sandwich with the
Cleveland Browns and the Baltimore Ravens who are reeling everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
They're not the same Now, maybe Lamar Jackson's back.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
By then, we're talking about November twenty third, the day
after Matt O'Leary, the single life of Matt O'Leary will
be an official thing of the past as of the
date of the Ravens jet scheme, which happens to be
the eighteen year anniversary of my wife and I. So
Matt O'Leary and I we're gonna be forever entwined. We'll
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have anniversary weekends for the rest of our days.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Somorrow, you know. So Matt O'Leary is going to be
off the market now.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
The truth is he's been off the market since I've
known him, with his amazing fiance Taylor, right, She's amazing.
If you guys have The day I met Taylor was
at the Coney Island cyclone. I met Matt O'Leary for
the first time, and he brought his wonderful lady friend
and the first thing she ever did check it out,
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she said, hello, Greenban, it's nice to meet you and
your family. I brought freshly baked cookies. Dude, leave it
in the comments. Didn't that find a winner or what?
Let me know in the comments. Just from that alone.
You meet them at the Coney Island Cyclone, the legendary
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roller coaster of the nineteen twenty six variety. You meet
them there and the first thing you get is hello,
it's nice to meet you. Enjoy these freshly baked cookies.
Come on, tell me in the comments, winner, loser, tell
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me what you think. O'Leary landed with, all right, we're
all we all know what happened there.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Theoretically, if the Patriots were just if we can beat
the Patriots, we're talking about a one two, three, four
game streak heading into the Atlanta Falcons with our former
head coach defense coordinator Jeff Olbrick, who's the defensive coordinator
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down there. The Falcons are currently three and four, and
we can beat them too, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So it's the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
The frigging Patriots are already back with an experienced, violent
head coach, experienced, knowledgeable, badass, and he's got himself a
young second year quarterback named Drake May who is It's
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got all the support in the world. They did it right,
They built the organization right. So think about it, man,
we could beat the Bengals, have a bye week, beat
the Browns. The Pats are there. If we could get
by that game and beat the Ravens, that's a four
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game win streak. Heading into the Falcons, you can beat them.
Now we're five and seven, and then you're heading into
what revenge against the Dolphins at MetLife.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
We do that.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Think about it, man, you're now five and seven, on
a five game win streak, and you're heading into payback
at MetLife. It's the kind of scenario that Shakespeare the
Jets fans wake up and we actually go back into
the stadium and fill it up and give them a
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little home field advantage. You beat the Dolphins, you're on
a six game you're six and seven. Man, you're creeping
around the five hundreds.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Think about it.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
And then you got the Jaguars on December fourteen. Now
the Jaguars are playing some good ball. That's the problem here.
The Jaguars are four and three in a division led
by the Colts Daniel Jones six and one.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It's crazy. So you got the Jaguar.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Now, the Jaguars are playing some good football, so that's
a tough one too.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
But if you can manage to get through that.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
And you got the Saints, you see what I mean.
And this is the thing is I want to point
something out to you. This is not my creation. I'm
talking about it right now and I'm thinking out loud, sure, well,
this is not my creation. This is largely given to
me to this day after the Jets victory against the
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Bengals by other Jets fans. Now, look, just hours before,
just hours before, the conversations were should we fire Aaron
Glenn before the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Who would our head coach be?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Would you promote Wilkes, who's got experience, or you do
Tanner Engstrand to do the offensive thing?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And just kind of kicked us into overdrive.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Maybe we just fire Aaron Glenn, promote Tanner Engstrand and
make Brady Cook the quarterback. This is the stuff we're
talking about.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
We're talking about fire sale. We gotta trade Breeze for
a fifth.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
You gotta get a third for JJ you gotta get
a second for Quinn Williams.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
All this stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
And one simple victory where the Jets score thirty nine
points to the Bengals thirty eight, a game that looked
at times like it was very much the same old Jets.
You couldn't get out of our own way. We don't
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know how to tackle. The offense looks completely dead in
the water, like a like a fish with belly up,
down seventeen points at one point, I think, And it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Because just like that.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
One victory, a one point victory where a risky decision
by Aaron Glenn, who's let's be Frank, has made plenty.
This is the season of risky decisions. I don't think
I've seen a team, a New York Jets team go
for two more than This is only game eight, And
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I'm telling you maybe a Michael Nania, Joe Blewett, Robbie Sabo,
Jet X package of fellas can tell me the truth
of it. But I gotta tell you just from memory
and feelings. Here I can't remember. I don't think I'll
go out on a limb and say it confidently, even
though I don't know for a fact, I don't think
that there's ever been a Jets team that has gone
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for two in a full season as much as Aaron
Glenn has already done it. Shit, he did it multiple
times against the Bengals in one game. He did it
multiple times week one against the Steelers. This guy goes
forward on fourth down more than anybody I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Sometimes it makes sense and you're.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Like, yeah, man, show some balls. Week one, we were
losing our minds. Aaron Glenn's got balls, text balls that
texts ball.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Eron Glenn, stop ball.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
We got a coach with testicles, the whole thing. And
then there's the other time. It's fourth and five and
you're on the thirty yard line and we just kick
a field go man, and he's going for it, like
you know what I mean, it's crazy. But in this
week's game, that going for too when look, the analytics
said it was the right move, but I gotta tell you,
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it didn't feel like the right move. Was like, yeah,
I get it, but dude, the offense can't be trusted
that those analytics are put together for an offense that
isn't a nept So we're you know, it's like it's
tough to make that call and look at the play.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Isaiah Davis.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
But dude, Justin Fields is getting sacked and he tosses
it to Isaiah Davis who makes.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
A crazy catch.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
And they first say incomplete, then they say, okay, it
was a catch, but he didn't get in the goal line.
And it turns out for one split seconds he's horizontal,
He's parallel with the field. These bodies, he's laid out.
He catches the ball and the tip of the football
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book over the line.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
He's fucking backwards it, dude, by the skin of his teeth.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Aaron Glenn, his choice to go for two would end
up being the difference in the game that one point.
You gotta get the ball to bounce your way. This
is what we talk about with momentum, and when it's
not going your way, it just feels like the end
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of the world. Right, nothing goes, nothing's happening, You can't
do anything right. But if you keep fucking going, that
is That is what Aaron Glenn's doing. I don't care.
I'm gonna keep charging forward the way I know to
do it. And it this week it stuck, didn't it
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feel at the end of the game like the Jets
had all the momentum.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
In the world, didn't it.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
We're so used to being on the other end of that,
where it feels like nothing you do can go right,
nothing you do works, The ball falls and it bounces
right into their hands, like that kind of stuff. Like
Week one, Aaron Rodgers throws the fucking miracle ball. It
bounces on everybody's heads and DK Metcalf who's laying on
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the field, it falls right into his chest.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
And that's the weird ten yards.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
They needed to kick a sixty yard field goal to
win the game by one point or two points. So
when it's going against you, there's nothing you can do,
and that's what we're used to feeling. But when the
momentum is on your side, which is what every team
that plays us feels, it's when the momentum's on your side,
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that little inch where the tip of the ball needs
to just make just it's this much, man. The whole game,
the whole season was riding on an inch or two.
Put this much, and when you have the momentum, it works.
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When you have the momentum, you can pitch the ball
to your running back who's got a buck thirty on
the day. He's running eight yards of carry, just like
a couple weeks ago he had.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You know, eight point four yards.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
This is you know, Breis hall Man. You can pitch
him the ball. He can roll out to the right, pump,
fake it, and then toss it to the corner of
the end zone and your rookie tight end, Jets rookie
tight ends, Dude, they're waiting to drop the game winning touchdown, right.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
You know this. We've been here a thousand times.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
But when you have the momentum, you can pitch it
to your running back with the game on the line,
and he can pump it and then he can throw
it and your rookie tight end can leap up and
pluck it out of the air with a defensive back
draped all over him.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It can happen.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
And that's what you saw happen against the Bengals this
week because the Jets and dude credit where credit is due,
amidst an onslaught of negative press and commentary and opinions
and everything else. You're losing the fan base, You've lost
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the media, You've lost the fan base, and the owners
walking out saying, well, fuck man, if we could complete
a pass in the owner's attempt to defend his head coach,
which is really what he was trying to do.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Rip a hole in the chest of his quarterback in
front of the world.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
If you can just stay convicted and purposeful and driven
and committed to your brand, which we'll see Aaron Glenn
talking about, when you stay committed, no matter what naysayers
got coming, whatever arrows are getting shot at you, if
you just stay the course, the thought is eventually it'll
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pop and it'll turn. You gotta make it through the
ship storm. So the whole thing I'm telling you, guys,
is I didn't make up this whole schedule thing. Yes
I'm adding to it, and yes I'm talking about it,
but this is given to me by Jets fans.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
And this is what I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
When when we get accused of being the most negative
fan base in the NFL, when we get accused of
making it more difficult for players to succeed here, when
we get accused of being part of the problem, when
we get accused of being most of the problem, the
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truth is very, very different. The truth is you you
give us one victory and we will start imagining a
world where all.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Is peaches and all is cream.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
That's what we do. We are starving for positivity. We
are starving for something to root for, something to.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Feel good about, to feel proud of.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
To when you walk into a game against a division
rival and talk to opposing fans, you want to be
able to shit talk like the old days when it
was good fun ribbing and you can honestly believe, dude,
my quarterback is gonna outplay your quarterback back in the
days of Kenny O'Brien versus Marino. Sure Marino was the
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better quarterback, but Kenny oh held his own man and
he could come out and he could do it and
he can outplay him, and we saw it. And you
can walk into those conversations with some and you can
be boastful, and they've completely stolen that from us.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Shit man, Not since the days, I mean not.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
That we were talking Mark Sanchez was a better quarterback today,
but not since those days have we really felt pro
Maybe you could argue that the Fitzpatrick, Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker,
Chris Ivy Ivory offense, maybe we were stole. We were
able to boast a little bit then, like bro Chris
(31:31):
Ivery's gonna tear your defense up.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You could say that stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Nobody on your team's gonna stop Brandon Marshall and Eric
Decker together throwing a little curly right, who was our
other guy? Todd Bowles didn't like curly. He wanted to
get rid of him right away, so there was somebody else.
But anyway, so you give us a little bit. We
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have seven straight losses. We walked into this week's game
Owens with our coach on the hot seat, a former
Jets great who we all want to succeed, was firmly
on the hot seat. And you give us a one
point victory, and we will start imagining. We will start shifting,
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not all of us, not all at once, but it starts.
And that narrative was given to me by not only
one person, not exactly the same. It's not like everybody
got up too, but the ideas start. You know what, man,
we get healthy in this buy. We get Garrett Wilson back.
Now we know Tyler Johnson can play a little bit.
(32:37):
Priest looks like a man possessed. Isaiah Davis got some
real time in the offense. He looks like he's getting comfy,
comfy the offensive.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Line is yelling a little bit. Get Garrett Wilson back,
Josh Reynolds' is back.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Quincy Williams, who had a hot and cold day, certainly
looked like he came to play today, didn't he? And
again not perfect hot and cold, but boy, oh boy
was he flying around. He'd seek and missile at times.
So you know what I mean, We start to dream.
We are an amazing fan base, an amazing group of
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people who has been tortured and robbed.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Time and time again.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
The worse we get, the more our owner raises the prices.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
The worse we get, the more new merch they add
to the pile.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I would not be surprised if they come out with
a bright yellow jersey and tell us it's Jets. This
is our sun shower jersey for sunny days ahead, where
your sun shower Jets jersey and promote positivity in a
new day, a new dawn.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
For the new Jets. Like, that's what they're gonna do.
Only one hundred and ninety nine dollars get yours today,
That's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
We're the best fan base, we're the most passionate, and
we're the most tortured in the entire NFL. Dude, bring me,
put me on a fucking stage in an auditorium against
any single fan of any team in the NFL, and
let them pour their woes out open for the world
(34:32):
to see, and I will trounce them.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
With the Jets' history, I will trounce them.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
I will make them fucking walk back like, Wow, I
had no idea. I had no idea. And I'm not
saying that other fans don't have it hard. I'm not
saying that other fans don't deal with shit. You know,
we got our cousins in pain. That Bears can't find
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a quarterback obviously, the Lions up until just recently, they've
never won a championship in the NFL. Yeah, man, how
about the Cardinals? They qualify the Jaguars, right, we know
who we are. But please, like whenever they chime in
(35:21):
and they go, oh, I know, man, imagine being this.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
You think you got it, bed, I laugh.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
So when you give us something, anything to sink our
teeth into, dude, we will flip from negative Nellies the
positive Patricia's.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
In a matter of hours. And that's what it is. Guys.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
We're gonna get into some some Aaron Glenn stuff. We're
gonna show you the passion and the team right after
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today's Jets team in the intelligence.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Right. So after the game again we got a wonder right.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
We see Garrett Wilson arguing with Aaron Glenn walking off
the field at the half. We see all kinds of stuff,
you know, Breese Hall saying free Breecee. You got rumors
that Quinn Williams was unhappy, and YadA, YadA, YadA. But
I want you to see after the game, Aaron Glenn
talks a little bit about about some things in his
(38:06):
team post game post game storytelling time. What do they
call it the post speech here? It is the postgame
story hour. So let's take a look and listen. We
got a window in. We got we got him inside.
Guy who's letting us see what the Aaron Glenn postgame
speech looked like.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Let's take a look at this.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
I don't have all the numbers and all that right now,
what man, man, when.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
It counted, you stepped your up.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Opens five hundred yards yard.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Man.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
I love this group, and man from here on out,
grit grit because I.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Told you do.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
Also, we have to create event. We did what you
show all the grid wind is game. I love.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
All right.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
So look, it sounded like there were some gaps in
the speech there right, and there were they bleeped out
a few a few words.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I'm sure you're with your your imagination.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
You can fill in the blanks there right, Like so
many madlibs games we played as kids.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
You can fill it in.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Aaron Glenn is pumped up and he said five hundred
yards of offense, two hundred and fifty four of that
was on the ground.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
And what did he say? R F and brand our brand.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
When you talk about having an identity, an identity, you
gotta create this thing.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
The problem is the problem has been we have been
unsure because of some inconsistent play by the quarterback then
you had the concussion, right, Like we're all talking about
wanting Tyrod Taylor and all this kind of stuff. Look,
with all due respect to Tyrod Taylor, sure he might
have played a little better than justin fields like we
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talked about last week, But the truth is Tyrod Taylor
has played a total of six quarters for US this
year and he's got three interceptions, one pick six, which
lost the game in Tampa.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
That was the difference. So what are we really rooting
for here? Now? We're talking about Brady Cook.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Brady Cook is an undrafted free agent rookie who's never
played an NFL snap outside of preseason, of course, and
looked sloppy as hell in preseason.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Started to put it together a little bit, But.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Do we really want to catapult this kid in? And
like some sort of narrative might not have to be
spoken out loud, but we're talking about him come in
and saving us, him being the piece, And that's way
too much weight to put on a kid who wasn't
even afted, He didn't even hear.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
His name called.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Think about it, guys, So you gotta stick whatever the
plan is. It's my firm opinion, you gotta stick with
the with the Justin Fields experiment.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I don't care what he said.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
There's only one way to go, and it sucks because
when he's playing so.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Poorly the last two weeks with a net.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Of fifteen yards you know, through the air, and that's
no good. But the alternative being two interceptions are three interceptions,
one for a pick six. That's not the solution either.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Now, Justin Fields his numbers this week, it looked like,
you know, the greatest quarterback we ever had.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
That's what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
Justin Fields twenty one of thirty two, two hundred and
forty four yards in a touchdown, no interceptions.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Again, this guy has made it all the way to
Week eight, all the way to.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
The bye, has not thrown a single interception. Now he's
fumbled the ball. We've lost a couple fumbles. I think
we only lost one if he's fumbled a couple times,
maybe one, maybe two.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
So it's not that he has no turnovers.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
But guys, this is some limited He hasn't thrown a
single interception. Now the immedia comeback to that, if you
don't have.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
It ready would be well, dude, he barely throws the
fucking ball.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah, I guess there's lots of balance, you know, you
know it goes both ways here, but the point still.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Is the point. Like you look at him. Week one,
he comes out and he throws.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
He has two hundred and eighteen yards and a touchdown,
no interceptions, seventy two point seven percent completion percentage against
the Steelers, a one to nineteen QBR. Then he plays
the Bills. We know what that looked like. It was
ugly as hell. He had a twenty seven point three
completion percentage, twenty seven total yards, no touchdown, no picks,
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and at thirty nine point six QBR against the Dolphins
comes or yeah, Dolphins, seventy four point one percent completion percentage,
two hundred and twenty six yards in a touchdown, no picks,
one hundred and eleven QBR against the Cowboys, sixty nine
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point six percent completed percentage, two eighty three, two touchdowns,
no intercepts. And then he has the two bad weeks
right with. You know, the last couple of weeks he
looked abysmal. You know, fifty two point nine percent, fifty
point or fifty even fifty percent completion percentage.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
These are terrible. Forty five yards forty.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Six yards respectively, and you know the net being a
total of fifteen yards.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
He played six quarters those two weeks, fifty.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Eight point seven quarterback rating and fifty nine point seven terrible.
Then he comes out this week because he's Tyrod Taylor's hurt,
so justin fields it he comes out, he has a
sixty five point six percent completion percentage for two hundred
and forty four yards a touchdown and a ninety nine
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point zero complee are a court quarterback rating. So one
thing we can say here, it's not that the narrative
has changed per se. It's not like, hey, this is
this guy's the answer or anything like that. But we
might be looking at somebody who's learning his third offense
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in three years. He's got a whole new staff, new team,
and he might just not have it all together. It's
just that simple. He might not have it all together.
He's not the greatest quarterback to begin with, and he's
inconsistent and sporadic like that could be very much. It's
just that simple, And if we weren't as intense as
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we are, maybe we just take a step back and
let it happen. I don't know, let's look at his
rushing yards too, So he's also got three rushing touchdowns.
So he's got seven touchdowns total this season, three on
the ground and four in the air.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Is that what he is? So it's not great, right,
it's not great what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
But right now he's got an average of sixty three
point seven percent completion percentage. And that's with games like
Buffalo twenty nine percent, games.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Like the last couple of weeks fifty eight.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
And fifty nine percent, So extremes on one end and
then you got you know the other side. But it's
like when you balance it all together. As far as
his efficiency, He's sad to say, outside of Aaron Rodgers
last year, he's having one of the better. It's crazy, right,
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Howebo Abysmo, we really are. But he's not having the
worst season by Jets quarterback standards. Again, I'm not I'm
not trying to shift it all and revise history. I'm
just talking just bringing up a point that if maybe
Tanner Engstrand can just get confidence a little bit in him, right,
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a little bit of confidence.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
And how about this.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
You saw in this game they were using his legs
a lot more by design. And here's I am a
firm believer that you need to build the plan around
the strengths of the man running it, or and everybody
else for that matter. If you got nobody with top
end speed, you shouldn't be sending anybody on go.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Routes like simple stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
So if we can factor in Justin Field's legs, it's like,
remember a couple of years ago, two years ago, right
after the bye, a couple weeks after the buy, Paul
Hackett's son said, Hey, we didn't know that priests could
be such an asset in the passing game.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Now, what are you talking about, moron?
Speaker 4 (46:59):
But the fact being that it took him some time
to realize some shit as the offensive coordinator. Okay, wait
a minute, maybe I can do this or maybe I
can do that. And that was what I hope happens
here with Justin Fields, Like, here's the truth of it,
and this is what he's shown throughout his career and
in college at Ohio State. He's really a one maybe
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to read quarterback.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
It just is what it is.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
Man. You want to make him take a seven step
drop and have long developing routes, He's lost in the
sauce by the time he gets to a sixth step,
he's lies done already. So you do the quick stuff.
Garrett's your first read. A tight end or the running
back should be your second read. And if they're not there,
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take off, Take off, dude. Commit confidently. It doesn't matter.
If a first down is the result, it doesn't matter.
And hopefully coming out of the by seeing the success
of week one, which they did a lot of that
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and week eight, look at the similarities. When Justin Field's
legs are involved and you're not really asking him to
do too much outside of what his you know his
skill set is, maybe just maybe you can put something
together that's successful because we have talent all over the place.
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Garrett Wilson, who hasn't played in the last couple of weeks,
it is what it is. He's allowed to get hurt,
hasn't been hurt. Is the first time he's out in
four years.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
It happens. So we got Garrett Wilson, you got Brisaw.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Tyler Johnson came out of the bag today, looked like
he could be competent. Isaiah Williams had himself a nice
a nice game this week. You got Bresaw, you got
Isaiah Davis. Brayln Allen we know is also very talented.
Mason Taylor is only going to be as good as
the people throwing him.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
The ball, but he looks like a ballplayer. Doney Jeremy Rutgert.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Had his impact this week as well, and he can
come out of the box.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
He's a good blocker. Keep him.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Just keep these guys doing what they do well, don't
overthink it, don't get nuts, and maybe, just maybe you
can put something together safe efficient at the same time,
not fear based and conservative. Safe but not conservative, efficient,
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but not afraid. Maybe you can put it all together.
Bris Haall, look at this guy. Brissall had eighteen rushes
for one hundred and thirty three yards and two touchdowns
on the ground. That's a seven point four yard average.
Seven point four yards of rush guys, and he happened
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to throw in another touchdown. So Breese Hall responsible for
three touchdowns on the day. Isaiah Davis are RB three
now RB two because of Braylen Allen's injury. Isaiah Davis
seven rushes sixty five yards and a nine point three
(50:25):
yard average. Justin Fields had eleven rushes against the Bengals,
some designed, some not two point eight yard average, so
nothing there, but got himself some first downs and also
moved the you know, got like on a blown first down,
he makes it into five yards. I'll take it instead
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of a sack or a whatever, you know, a zero
yard play. Isaiah Williams also had a rush day for
twenty five yards. Tyler Johns Huntson led the receivers yardage wise.
He had three receptions for sixty four yards in a
touchdown Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Davis, so he had.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
The six rushes or seven rushes for sixty five yards.
But Isaiah Davis also had five receptions for forty four yards.
That's ninety nine all purpose yards for Isaiah Davis. That's
a hundo where I come from eight point eight yard average.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
In the air.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
By the way, Tyler Johnson's average on three catches with
twenty one point three yards, and you got Mason Taylor
coming in with five receptions thirty four yards and a touchdown.
Isaiah Williams had three catches, so he had the rush
for twenty five three catches for thirty one yards, chains
moving stuff like that. Had a decent day returning the
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ball as well. Jeremy Rutger had that pivotal catch for
twenty four yards. Aaron Smith got in the game third
down catch twenty three yards.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Brisall had two more catches for fourteen yards.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Andrew Beck and Allen has already pulled one in. So
you know, going into the by they gotta really look
at this and be honest with themselves. Maybe this is
who we are our brand of football is this?
Speaker 1 (52:29):
We're not that?
Speaker 4 (52:30):
And these games, a lot of these games have been close, guys,
you know this.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
We've lost these games and one point two points.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
And I know some of it was garbage timey stuff,
but it's not really garbage time when you have an
opportunity to win it at the end. We're doing on
side kicks and stuff, which the NFL is already realizing
this is this is the worst. Supposedly they're considering the
fourth and fifteen thing. So if instead of on side
kicking and you just from your own twenty yard line
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or something, you get a fourth and fifteen, you get
one play to see if you'll get the ball back.
The downside to that is if you fail, the other
team gets the ball where you failed.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Something like that.
Speaker 4 (53:13):
I think that would be exciting, at least it's you know, risky,
but you're willing to do it.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
But look at how we lost, guys.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
I mean again, you know, you know Week one, we
should have won that game. It was an Exavier Gibson fumble.
That was the difference, among many other things, but that
was the real difference in the game.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Thirty four to thirty two.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
The Bills game they trounced us, the Jets Bucks without
that pick six, shit man, twenty nine to twenty seven.
And again, I remember, I know the deal, what happened
in the fourth quarter, and you know, shit, we looked
like nothing for three quarters.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
And then you know, I get it. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (53:52):
A game is four quarters for a reason, A game
is sixty minutes for a reason. Jets Dolphins, we could
have very easily won that game, twenty seven to twenty one.
One score game the Cowboys uglier than it looked, but
it's still thirty seven to twenty two. Isn't exactly something
I'm telling my friends about. So I'm not writing home
about that one. Jets Broncos, come on thirteen to eleven.
(54:15):
We could have won that game at any time. Panthers
thirteen six, So you see, we're not that far away.
I'm not saying we're gonna be the champion. We're not
that far away from being a competent team. And if
you're doing it the hard way, they're doing it the
hard way.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
And speaking of the hard way, let's talk about the
big thing this week. Now, we lost somebody. We started
the football Sunday with some really bad news, really bad news,
a player that you know, ninety nine point nine percent
of Jets fans absolutely loved. There's always that point one
percent that are just weird. Nick mann Gold. I remember
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when he was drafted. We took the brickishaw Ferguson out
of Uva with the fourth overall pick, I think, and
then Nick Mannon Gold was the pick that we got
from the John Abraham trade. Now, John Abraham was the
Jets great and a lot of Jets fans were not
happy that Eric Mangini decided to trade him, but he
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got that pick and the saving grace. When you trade
a player like John Abraham away, a dominant ed rusher special,
When you trade a guy like that away and you
get that pick, it's like trading Revis and fucking getting
d Milner. That's the other way that you could do
(55:48):
this whole thing. What the Jets did was we traded
away John Abraham and we used that pick on one
Nick Man Gold, a guy that we would see manning
the center of our offensive line for a decade plus.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
Missed almost no games.
Speaker 4 (56:06):
His partner in crime left tackled the Brickashaw Ferguson missed
one snap in the entire ten years he was with us,
and that was by design.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
It wasn't because he needed to be out.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
They just did something weird and they put him on
the sideline for one player or something like that. Nick
Man Goold was the heart and soul of our offense
for years. You remember when Joe Douglas first came here,
and so Mike mccagnan did the whole draft right, and
he did the whole free agency, and we still had
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he spent one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
In free agency.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
We had the number three overall pick and a full draft,
and Joe doug We fire Mike mccagnan, and Joe Douglas
arrives here and there's no offensive line, nobody to speak up.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
So what he did was he talked Khalil, the guy.
Speaker 4 (56:57):
Khalil, the long time all pro sent, he talked him
off the couch. He had retired that year. He called
him and said, look, I need somebody now he sucked
for us, but it doesn't matter. At that point, there
was nothing else Joe Douglas could do, so he talks
him off the couch. Do you remember what Ryan Khalil
said the first thing he had to do when Joe
Douglas was calling him and he was considering taking him
(57:20):
up on the offer, Do you guys remember what Ryan Khalil.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
Said he had to do.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
He said he had to call Nick Mangold and make
sure it was cool because that's Knick's team.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Now. He didn't have to do it.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
It's a sign of respect Nick Mangold. In the world
of centers, the Jets were Nicks, the Jets were Mangolds,
and Ryan Khalil as he as he considered accepting the offer,
he called Nick Mangold to talk to him about it. Say, hey, man,
that's what I'm thinking of doing. Get the okay. It's
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like asking your girlfriend's father for her hand. Truth is,
you don't need to, but it's a sign of respect.
That's who Nick man Gold was now Nick man Goold
seven time Pro bowler, three time All Pro is being
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nominated for the Hall of Fame this year.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
It's a shame. Now.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Whether or not he's a first ballot, we don't know,
but I do think he's destined for the Hall of
Fame one way or the other. He might not make
it in the first time, but he'll get in because
he's a great player. This man stayed like so, Look,
he's not from here, He's not from New York area.
He's born in Ohio, lived in Ohio, played college ball
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at Ohio State. So every reason in the world to
think you'd be more associated with Ohio. But the last
number of years since his retirement, he's been a very,
very vocal and outward figure in the New York Jets community.
He's one of us. He was eleven year years all
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with the Jets, all with the Jets. He never played
for another NFL team, and when he retired, he stayed
right here. He's announcing draft picks, he's traveling with the
team when we're playing in London. He's doing all the stuff.
He's a Jet. He's always been a Jet since the
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day we drafted him, and he was a Jet every
day of his retirement. And he's a jet right now.
We lost one of our own this weekend and it's sad.
And he was forty one years old and he was
a big, strong man, burly, and it's just you don't
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think a guy like that can be taken so quickly.
And when his former coach, Rex Ryan, remember he was
drafted by Eric Mangini, so he played three years under Manginie,
but then the six year as he played for Rex,
and then there was Todd Bowles for a couple of
years and that was it. So he had Manginie, Rex Bulls.
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So Rex was the coach for the longest time, six
years with Rex and Mangold. So when they asked him,
they asked Rex Ryan Sunday morning, how he felt it
was a tear jerker. I'd like to show that to
you now if you haven't seen it. It's heavy duty, man,
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And I think sums up the feelings that we're all
having about Nick Mangold as I think about it, about
as good as you can. So let's take a look
at Rex Ryan and his feelings about the passing of
the great Nick Mangold.
Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
I have some extraordinarily sad news to report on behalf
of all of us.
Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Here.
Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
Tough news for everyone around the National Football League. I'm
very sorry to be the one to tell you that
former New York Chefs center Nick Mangold has died. Mangold
had battled chronic kidney disease since a two thousand and
six diagnosis for a rare genetic disorder. He went public
earlier this month about his need for a kidney transplant.
He was a two time first team All Pro. He
was selected by the Jets in the first round in
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two thousand and six out of Ohio Is, going on
to appear in seven Pro Bowls. He was named to
the team's Ring of Honor in twenty twenty two. Nick
Mangold was just forty one years old. Rex Ryan, you,
of course coached Nick Mangold in New York. This is
a difficult day for so many people, but particularly for you.
What are your emotions this morning?
Speaker 8 (01:01:33):
Oh, that's just it's brutal.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
It's such a great young man.
Speaker 8 (01:01:41):
I the pleasure of coaching him for all six years
with the Jets, and I remember it was obviously I
was getting fired my last game.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Mangold's injured, like injured, and he comes to me he says,
I'm playing this game and point for me. God's what
I remember about this kid. He was awesome and is
this way too young? That feels so bad for his
wife and family.
Speaker 7 (01:02:14):
Rough difficulty obviously for so many who knew and loved
Nick Mangold and you among those and all of the
Jets family, the Ohio State family is morning today as well.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Nick Mangold gone and.
Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Just yeah, I mean that about says it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
And I was at that game.
Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
As a matter of fact, that game that Recks Ryan's
talking about right there, This is my this is my past.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
That was the the treatment center right there that I
was the executive director of.
Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
We had a box down there at SUNLIGHTE Stadium now
at hard Rock Stadium. And this is my on field
pass right so this is my let's see my Sideline Club.
Can you see it?
Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
The light's kind of weird. There you go, Sideline Club
week ten?
Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
It was, so that was the end of the or
their tenth game, that's what it was down there or whatever.
December twenty eighth, twenty fourteen, Rex Ryan's last game. I
actually got to meet Rex that day, but that's the
day that he's so who knew that was going on.
Nick mann Goold, who was injured, decided I want to
play in Rex's last game, and he's talking about the
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you know, the connection, the man that he was.
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I don't care. I'm gonna I'm gonna finish this. I'm
gonna finish on my feet with you, Rex.
Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
And it's a sad day, man, and I'm glad that
the Jets were able to pull out a victory on
this day.
Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
It just, you know, look.
Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
In the severity of things in life. Obviously a football
game pales in comparison to the life of a man.
But there's only so much there's you know, there's things
that from each position that somebody stands. There's only so
much you can do to do your part. And the Jets,
on this day that we heard of the passing of
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the great Nick man Goold, the Jets did something and
the only way that they could. They decided that this
would be a fine time to win our first game
of the Aaron Glen Era and the twenty twenty five season.
And my heart goes out to Nick man Goold's family
and to all of us.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
I'm sad today. I'm sad.
Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
I'm gonna be sad for a minute as this really
sets in. But with that said, I want to wish
everybody a great rest of the week. Love your family, man,
show love, get your priorities straight, make sure the people
that you love know you love them. Take today and
say it because you just never know. With that all said,
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enjoy the rest of your week, my friends. Don't forget
to hit the like button and subscribe if you haven't.
If you're new here, thanks for checking it out. I'll
see you next time, and as always, coad Jets
All right, Keny what I mean? What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
What?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And what to do? What's going on? Week eight?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Everybody, We're here Week eight Jets Fans Week Mother Effort eight,
the New York Jets, the Aaron Glenn's of the NFL,
the Woody Johnson, Aaron Glenn Collective, Boom Tanner Engstrand they
pull it together and they get their first victory of
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their lives.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Isn't it wonderful? Congrats? Congrats to you, Congrats to me.
Oh my god. We talk and we bitch and we moan,
and we gripe, and we.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Cry and we argue and we defend and we attack,
and today we get to celebrate and be happy. But
not all of us, not all of us. We'll talk
about the tank we'll talk about the Tanksters, we'll talk
about the Hopsters. We'll talk about some sad news that
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happened this time this weekend, and we'll talk about the
projected future going into the bye week and why you you,
Jets fandom, are the greatest fans in the entire NFL.
I got it all for you on episode one hundred
and eighty eight of green Beans Jets Pod.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I am green Bean, I'm delighted.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Absolutely delighted that you are here with me today. I
am utterly destroyed, exhausted. What a weekend, emotional roller coaster.
You know, it's been a toughye and uh, you know,
hey man, it's a it's a long season.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
We got still.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Nine games, everybody, and we have a little a little,
a little mark, a little, a little one little line.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Uh in the wind column, jets are one.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
And seven, and uh, if I may, I'm gonna make
a suggestion.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
You're ready for this suggestion. I think we are gonna.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Embrace ourselves like we have a little break, right, tiny break.
We're gonna take a little breath of fresh air as
a as an organization. Woody Johnson's gonna take that time.
Take a sock. They're gonna roll up a big bunch
of nice wool socks. Is stuff right in this in
his mouth, so he shuts to calm down, Woodie Johnson,
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all right, we're gonna take a breath, and we're gonna
come back and we're gonna lose our boots right in
the ass of the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, all right, and
that's gonna give us another mark a number two in
the wind column. Now, that's gonna give us some momentum,
because that'll be three straight weeks without a loss.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Right, you got the.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Cinci you got to buy, you got the Browns. So
we run rough shot through Ohio just losing boots and butts.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's what we're doing, running around losing our boots in
all the butts.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
The entire state of Ohio is like, what the hell
just happened? I thought the Jets is they're supposed to
be the Jets. How did the Jets just defeat the
entire state of Ohio? Stopped by King's Island, rode a
couple of roller coasters.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Maybe o'riyon maybe missed it, tim right.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Little little little beast action. Then we went up to
see the point, did.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
A little steel vengeance little Maverick.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
On the way out, we wrote a little, uh, you know,
a little gatekeeper action up there. Then we got the
hell out of there with a bunch of victories.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
That's what we did. Ate some Skyline chili. Is that
where that shit's from? Right? They like that Skyline chili?
You heard of it. I think it's Skyline. It's a
big deal.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
They take chili and they put it on macaroni. They
put it on spaghetti. That's their big thing. They think
they figured it out Ohioans. They're like, hey man, you
ever had I don't know an Ohio accent. Some's gonna
do a fucking Virginian. I don't even know a Virginian accent.
I just know a whatever. And they so they go,
hey man, you ain't had good food till you had
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fucking chili arm spaghetti.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You're like, really, I mean, I'm in. You know what
I mean? Like, I love.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Chili, I love spaghetti. You put him in a ball,
I'm gonna eat it. Throw a little cheese on here.
They take raw onions, they throw it.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They like it.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
That's what they do, and I like it too, So
I'm in. I mean, shit, it's good. But that's what
they think.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
They're like, wah, hell no. They come into shift, Ronald Daus,
I don't even know what I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Come in through chefts Chili and we're gonna take this
nice stamato base to chili. We're gonna put it on
the depasta for you, take a special onions and throw
it in deadly the mint of the cheese.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't even know who I am.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I'm a French Italian Russian guy from fucking Alabama at
this point.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
AnyWho, we're gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
We're gonna be two and oh in the state of Ohio,
half cleaning house in the AFC North right, then we
gotta come back to the AFC East.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I'm a little nervous because you know, look, a lot
of us, you know, you know, you know who.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
We are a lot of us.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
When we had a gentleman named Mike Vrabel in the
building of one Floram Park Drive, one Jets Drive in
florm Park, you had Mike Rabel in the building. Now
everybody knows Mike Rabel was interviewing.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
With the Jets.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The Patriots job was not available yet, but it was
gonna be in the whole thing. He was letting the
Pats organization. No, look, dude, it's now or never. Either
you hire me or I'm gonna go down here to
the rival. You want to keep Jarad Mayl and do
that whole thing. So they used us like so many
teams have done in the past. But it doesn't matter
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what the intentions are beforehand. What you do you have
an opportunity there and you sit down with Mike Vrabel
and you go, look, dude, nobody's naive in this room. Okay,
nobody's naive. We know the deal, we know what your
intentions are, we know what the plan is, we know
what the the whole outcome is gonna We know it.
(07:00):
But here's the difference. Here's the thing I want to
present to you. I don't really give two shits about
any of that. What I want you to do is
not feel like you have to go back to the
Patriots to do anything like it's your going home. What
I want you to do is I want you to
stay right here, and you're gonna show the Patriots and
the rest of the world why it is that you
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were the number one coaching candidate in this entire class,
and how the Titans never should have let you go.
We're gonna do it right here. Now here's how we're
gonna get it done. I know you want to leave.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
First of all, go fucking order some Skyline Chili and
bring that in here. We're gonna have a Skyline chili.
But the difference is we're gonna cut little cubes.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Of Taylor Ham. I'm gonna throw them on there chef
patro Is gonna come in.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Hey, I'm gonna throw to tailor Ham, little Locatelli cheese
on there. We're gonna mix it all up and you're
gonna I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna open up a
check book, you see, and I'm gonna I'm gonna to
write Woody Johnson. I'm gonna sign it, I'm gonna date it,
and I'm gonna give it to you, and you're gonna
put in there whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That's number one.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Okay, you want a ten year contract, fully guaranteed. I
don't give a shit. That's what you're gonna get. Okay,
that's number one. Number two, I'm gonna let you pick
the GM. You are the boss around here, and I'm
gonna let you design and build the entire New York
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Jets football operation. This is gonna be You're gonna go
down in the annals of history as the guy who
came in and took the worst franchise in all of
professional sports and revamped it and made it a dynasty.
You're not just gonna follow a dynasty up there in
New England. You're not gonna go back and try to
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capture and relive history. You're gonna do something fresh right here,
you're the boss. Here's the money. What do you want it?
I'm going to back up the whole thing. And you
don't let him leave.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's what else do you need?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
What else do you so? And you're gonna see why.
You're seeing why they got What are the Patriots? What's
the what's their record?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Now? Do you guys know the Patriots?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Right?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So listen to this, guys, just so you know, the
Bills have been the cream of the crop of the
AFC East since the dynasty in New England collapsed.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Bill Belichick and Tom Brady had a breakup for a
public similar to Benefit and Angelina and Joe Lee and Billy.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Bob Thornton and all that shit. So they break up.
Now we don't know at the time.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Is it Bill Belichick's greatness that took a sixth round
pick and made him into the greatest quarterback of all time?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Or did the greatest.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Quarterback of all time happen to fall into the lap
of Bill Belichick and make it so he looks like
the greatest coach of all time?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
What is it? Who is it? Is it? To both?
What do we don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
So they do this breakup and we get to look
at it face to face. Tom Brady goes down to
Tampa Bay, an organization that hasn't been in the playoffs
in ten years, and Bill Belichick stays right there. He
doesn't have his quarterback, but he gets a first round
pick quarterback named Mac Jones. He gets to pick a
new guy, and he's got the whole infrastructure, everything's in place.
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Who's gonna be the best? Well, we know Tom Brady
went down there. He brought Gronk with him, and I
think he asked for a j or Antonio Brown.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's who it was.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So other than that, he was a fresh organization. Bruce
Arians is down there the whole thing. Well, Bill Belichick
and the Patriots go to the playoffs. They do they
do a one and done in the playoffs. Okay, fine,
you know whatever. He gets to the playoffs and they
lose their wild card game.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
On the other side of the tracks.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Tom Brady goes right to the Super Bowl and wins it.
It ends the debate because then from there Tom Brady
played one more year. They got to the semifinal round
at the divisional playoffs, and I think they lost.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Maybe it was the championship game, I forget and one
or the other.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
But he loses, doesn't make it too so he goes
down there for two years, gets a Super Bowl ring
and a playoff stint, and Bruce arians retires, leaves the
team to Todd Bowles, and they've been pretty good ever since.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Right leaves the whole thing. Actually he left the year before.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
But Belichick, on the other hand, just lower on the total,
just one year to.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
The next, lower lower, lower.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Get Trida mac Jones, He's playing Bailey Zappi and all
these kinds of things. Bill Belichick gets fired and goes
into the ABYSS. Tom Brady retires and Goetes Haled as
the champion. So we know what happened in all that
time since that, in that window, the Buffalo Bills have
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been the cream of the crop, the of the AFC East,
and it was the Jet That's who the Jets were.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
We're struggling.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
We got Solad, we got Sanche I mean, Zaki Pooh,
got all the guys.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
We're trying.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
We're doing okay, we're losing, we suck, you know, the
whole thing, but we're fighting and we're competent to.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
A degree, but we can't do it.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
And we say, all right, well we need a quarterback.
That's our big problem. The whole team's in place, we're
gonna go for it.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
We go get Aaron Rodgers and that blows up in
our faces.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Meanwhile, the Bills are the cream of the crop, but
they can't seem to get a ring. The Patriots are
lower than us. Miami's doing whatever they do. They're real
hot in the beginning. They fold, they get into the playoffs,
they lose. They haven't won a playoff game in twenty
five years.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
But think of this, the Bills cream of the crop
since the Patriots dynasty.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
They're a great team.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
They're doing the whole thing, but they can't they can't
get the ring. And already last year, the Jets and
Pats are on the head head coaching line looking for
your coach.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
They get Vrabel.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
He brings three former head coaches with him to their staff.
We get rookie Aaron Glenn. He brings a bunch of
rookies and failed head coach and Steve Wilkes, who's only
had one year stints. Everywhere he goes, he has a
one year stint as the Arizona Cardinals head coach with
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Josh Rosen. That fails, they fire him. He's an interim
coach in Carolina when they got rid of Matt Ruhle. Great,
he does some nice things. He gets trades Robbie Anderson
or Chosen One or whatever his name is these days,
and he gets fired there, and then he goes to
defensive coordinator here for a year, defensive coordinator there for
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a year.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So it's a little different.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yes, he's a former head coach, so Aaron Glenn didn't
come in empty handed. But Vrabel's up there doing his thing,
and Aaron Glenn's down here doing his thing. The Buffalo
Bills are still the Buffalo Bills. In that just short
couple of months, Vrabel already has the Pats as the
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number one team in the AFC East at six and two.
The Bills are kind of the same. I think they
already had their bye. So they're five and two, and
the Dolphins are two and six. They just won this weekend,
and the Jets are one and seven after the big,
big victory, yeah against the Bengals, the burrowless Bengals, baby,
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So the Pats are scary we're gonna lose our fucking
boots in the butts of the Ohio chili eaters.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Right, we're gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
But we're gonna come back, and we're gonna go to
New England, into Foxborough Gillette, and we're gonna we gotta
I mean, look, we're gonna have the momentum of three
straight weeks without a loss, right because we're beating Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Damn it.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And then we gotta play the Pats. Can we steal it?
It's afc east the whole thing. We got the momentum
pumped up. Garrett Willson's back, the whole thing. Justin Fields
is playing better. Danner Ringstrand's not so afraid of Justin Fields.
He's letting them play football. The handcuffs are off, right,
so who knows, but the pay the Patriots can ruin it,
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can ruin the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Because here's what we gotta do, guys. We gotta go
on a run.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
If we're gonna ruin this whole tank idea, we gotta
do it with some conviction.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We're gonna have to go to the.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Playoffs and on our way to a Super Bowl bid.
So we got the Browns we're gonna beat them. We
gotta fight with the Patriots, because then they're in the
middle of this weird sandwich AFC North Sandwich with the
Cleveland Browns and the Baltimore Ravens who are reeling everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
They're not the same Now, maybe Lamar Jackson's back.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
By then, we're talking about November twenty third, the day
after Matt O'Leary, the single life of Matt O'Leary will
be an official thing of the past as of the
date of the Ravens jet scheme, which happens to be
the eighteen year anniversary of my wife and I. So
Matt O'Leary and I we're gonna be forever entwined. We'll
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have anniversary weekends for the rest of our days.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Somorrow, you know. So Matt O'Leary is going to be
off the market now.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
The truth is he's been off the market since I've
known him, with his amazing fiance Taylor, right, She's amazing.
If you guys have The day I met Taylor was
at the Coney Island cyclone. I met Matt O'Leary for
the first time, and he brought his wonderful lady friend
and the first thing she ever did check it out,
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she said, hello, Greenban, it's nice to meet you and
your family. I brought freshly baked cookies. Dude, leave it
in the comments. Didn't that find a winner or what?
Let me know in the comments. Just from that alone.
You meet them at the Coney Island Cyclone, the legendary
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roller coaster of the nineteen twenty six variety. You meet
them there and the first thing you get is hello,
it's nice to meet you. Enjoy these freshly baked cookies.
Come on, tell me in the comments, winner, loser, tell
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me what you think. O'Leary landed with, all right, we're
all we all know what happened there.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Theoretically, if the Patriots were just if we can beat
the Patriots, we're talking about a one two, three, four
game streak heading into the Atlanta Falcons with our former
head coach defense coordinator Jeff Olbrick, who's the defensive coordinator
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down there. The Falcons are currently three and four, and
we can beat them too, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So it's the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
The frigging Patriots are already back with an experienced, violent
head coach, experienced, knowledgeable, badass, and he's got himself a
young second year quarterback named Drake May who is It's
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got all the support in the world. They did it right,
They built the organization right. So think about it, man,
we could beat the Bengals, have a bye week, beat
the Browns. The Pats are there. If we could get
by that game and beat the Ravens, that's a four
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game win streak. Heading into the Falcons, you can beat them.
Now we're five and seven, and then you're heading into
what revenge against the Dolphins at MetLife.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
We do that.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Think about it, man, you're now five and seven, on
a five game win streak, and you're heading into payback
at MetLife. It's the kind of scenario that Shakespeare the
Jets fans wake up and we actually go back into
the stadium and fill it up and give them a
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little home field advantage. You beat the Dolphins, you're on
a six game you're six and seven. Man, you're creeping
around the five hundreds.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Think about it.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
And then you got the Jaguars on December fourteen. Now
the Jaguars are playing some good ball. That's the problem here.
The Jaguars are four and three in a division led
by the Colts Daniel Jones six and one.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It's crazy. So you got the Jaguar.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Now, the Jaguars are playing some good football, so that's
a tough one too.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
But if you can manage to get through that.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
And you got the Saints, you see what I mean.
And this is the thing is I want to point
something out to you. This is not my creation. I'm
talking about it right now and I'm thinking out loud, sure, well,
this is not my creation. This is largely given to
me to this day after the Jets victory against the
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Bengals by other Jets fans. Now, look, just hours before,
just hours before, the conversations were should we fire Aaron
Glenn before the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Who would our head coach be?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Would you promote Wilkes, who's got experience, or you do
Tanner Engstrand to do the offensive thing?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And just kind of kicked us into overdrive.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Maybe we just fire Aaron Glenn, promote Tanner Engstrand and
make Brady Cook the quarterback. This is the stuff we're
talking about.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
We're talking about fire sale. We gotta trade Breeze for
a fifth.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
You gotta get a third for JJ you gotta get
a second for Quinn Williams.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
All this stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
And one simple victory where the Jets score thirty nine
points to the Bengals thirty eight, a game that looked
at times like it was very much the same old Jets.
You couldn't get out of our own way. We don't
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know how to tackle. The offense looks completely dead in
the water, like a like a fish with belly up,
down seventeen points at one point, I think, And it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Because just like that.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
One victory, a one point victory where a risky decision
by Aaron Glenn, who's let's be Frank, has made plenty.
This is the season of risky decisions. I don't think
I've seen a team, a New York Jets team go
for two more than This is only game eight, And
(22:37):
I'm telling you maybe a Michael Nania, Joe Blewett, Robbie Sabo,
Jet X package of fellas can tell me the truth
of it. But I gotta tell you just from memory
and feelings. Here I can't remember. I don't think I'll
go out on a limb and say it confidently, even
though I don't know for a fact, I don't think
that there's ever been a Jets team that has gone
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for two in a full season as much as Aaron
Glenn has already done it. Shit, he did it multiple
times against the Bengals in one game. He did it
multiple times week one against the Steelers. This guy goes
forward on fourth down more than anybody I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Sometimes it makes sense and you're.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Like, yeah, man, show some balls. Week one, we were
losing our minds. Aaron Glenn's got balls, text balls that
texts ball.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Eron Glenn, stop ball.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
We got a coach with testicles, the whole thing. And
then there's the other time. It's fourth and five and
you're on the thirty yard line and we just kick
a field go man, and he's going for it, like
you know what I mean, it's crazy. But in this
week's game, that going for too when look, the analytics
said it was the right move, but I gotta tell you,
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it didn't feel like the right move. Was like, yeah,
I get it, but dude, the offense can't be trusted
that those analytics are put together for an offense that
isn't a nept So we're you know, it's like it's
tough to make that call and look at the play.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Isaiah Davis.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
But dude, Justin Fields is getting sacked and he tosses
it to Isaiah Davis who makes.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
A crazy catch.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
And they first say incomplete, then they say, okay, it
was a catch, but he didn't get in the goal line.
And it turns out for one split seconds he's horizontal,
He's parallel with the field. These bodies, he's laid out.
He catches the ball and the tip of the football
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book over the line.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
He's fucking backwards it, dude, by the skin of his teeth.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Aaron Glenn, his choice to go for two would end
up being the difference in the game that one point.
You gotta get the ball to bounce your way. This
is what we talk about with momentum, and when it's
not going your way, it just feels like the end
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of the world. Right, nothing goes, nothing's happening, You can't
do anything right. But if you keep fucking going, that
is That is what Aaron Glenn's doing. I don't care.
I'm gonna keep charging forward the way I know to
do it. And it this week it stuck, didn't it
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feel at the end of the game like the Jets
had all the momentum.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
In the world, didn't it.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
We're so used to being on the other end of that,
where it feels like nothing you do can go right,
nothing you do works, The ball falls and it bounces
right into their hands, like that kind of stuff. Like
Week one, Aaron Rodgers throws the fucking miracle ball. It
bounces on everybody's heads and DK Metcalf who's laying on
(26:15):
the field, it falls right into his chest.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
And that's the weird ten yards.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
They needed to kick a sixty yard field goal to
win the game by one point or two points. So
when it's going against you, there's nothing you can do,
and that's what we're used to feeling. But when the
momentum is on your side, which is what every team
that plays us feels, it's when the momentum's on your side,
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that little inch where the tip of the ball needs
to just make just it's this much, man. The whole game,
the whole season was riding on an inch or two.
Put this much, and when you have the momentum, it works.
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When you have the momentum, you can pitch the ball
to your running back who's got a buck thirty on
the day. He's running eight yards of carry, just like
a couple weeks ago he had.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You know, eight point four yards.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
This is you know, Breis hall Man. You can pitch
him the ball. He can roll out to the right, pump,
fake it, and then toss it to the corner of
the end zone and your rookie tight end, Jets rookie
tight ends, Dude, they're waiting to drop the game winning touchdown, right.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
You know this. We've been here a thousand times.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
But when you have the momentum, you can pitch it
to your running back with the game on the line,
and he can pump it and then he can throw
it and your rookie tight end can leap up and
pluck it out of the air with a defensive back
draped all over him.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It can happen.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
And that's what you saw happen against the Bengals this
week because the Jets and dude credit where credit is due,
amidst an onslaught of negative press and commentary and opinions
and everything else. You're losing the fan base, You've lost
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the media, You've lost the fan base, and the owners
walking out saying, well, fuck man, if we could complete
a pass in the owner's attempt to defend his head coach,
which is really what he was trying to do.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Rip a hole in the chest of his quarterback in
front of the world.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
If you can just stay convicted and purposeful and driven
and committed to your brand, which we'll see Aaron Glenn
talking about, when you stay committed, no matter what naysayers
got coming, whatever arrows are getting shot at you, if
you just stay the course, the thought is eventually it'll
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pop and it'll turn. You gotta make it through the
ship storm. So the whole thing I'm telling you, guys,
is I didn't make up this whole schedule thing. Yes
I'm adding to it, and yes I'm talking about it,
but this is given to me by Jets fans.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
And this is what I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
When when we get accused of being the most negative
fan base in the NFL, when we get accused of
making it more difficult for players to succeed here, when
we get accused of being part of the problem, when
we get accused of being most of the problem, the
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truth is very, very different. The truth is you you
give us one victory and we will start imagining a
world where all.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Is peaches and all is cream.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
That's what we do. We are starving for positivity. We
are starving for something to root for, something to.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Feel good about, to feel proud of.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
To when you walk into a game against a division
rival and talk to opposing fans, you want to be
able to shit talk like the old days when it
was good fun ribbing and you can honestly believe, dude,
my quarterback is gonna outplay your quarterback back in the
days of Kenny O'Brien versus Marino. Sure Marino was the
(30:45):
better quarterback, but Kenny oh held his own man and
he could come out and he could do it and
he can outplay him, and we saw it. And you
can walk into those conversations with some and you can
be boastful, and they've completely stolen that from us.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Shit man, Not since the days, I mean not.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
That we were talking Mark Sanchez was a better quarterback today,
but not since those days have we really felt pro
Maybe you could argue that the Fitzpatrick, Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker,
Chris Ivy Ivory offense, maybe we were stole. We were
able to boast a little bit then, like bro Chris
(31:31):
Ivery's gonna tear your defense up.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You could say that stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Nobody on your team's gonna stop Brandon Marshall and Eric
Decker together throwing a little curly right, who was our
other guy? Todd Bowles didn't like curly. He wanted to
get rid of him right away, so there was somebody else.
But anyway, so you give us a little bit. We
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have seven straight losses. We walked into this week's game
Owens with our coach on the hot seat, a former
Jets great who we all want to succeed, was firmly
on the hot seat. And you give us a one
point victory, and we will start imagining. We will start shifting,
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not all of us, not all at once, but it starts.
And that narrative was given to me by not only
one person, not exactly the same. It's not like everybody
got up too, but the ideas start. You know what, man,
we get healthy in this buy. We get Garrett Wilson back.
Now we know Tyler Johnson can play a little bit.
(32:37):
Priest looks like a man possessed. Isaiah Davis got some
real time in the offense. He looks like he's getting comfy,
comfy the offensive.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Line is yelling a little bit. Get Garrett Wilson back,
Josh Reynolds' is back.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Quincy Williams, who had a hot and cold day, certainly
looked like he came to play today, didn't he? And
again not perfect hot and cold, but boy, oh boy
was he flying around. He'd seek and missile at times.
So you know what I mean, We start to dream.
We are an amazing fan base, an amazing group of
(33:18):
people who has been tortured and robbed.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Time and time again.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
The worse we get, the more our owner raises the prices.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
The worse we get, the more new merch they add
to the pile.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I would not be surprised if they come out with
a bright yellow jersey and tell us it's Jets. This
is our sun shower jersey for sunny days ahead, where
your sun shower Jets jersey and promote positivity in a
new day, a new dawn.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
For the new Jets. Like, that's what they're gonna do.
Only one hundred and ninety nine dollars get yours today,
That's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
We're the best fan base, we're the most passionate, and
we're the most tortured in the entire NFL. Dude, bring me,
put me on a fucking stage in an auditorium against
any single fan of any team in the NFL, and
let them pour their woes out open for the world
(34:32):
to see, and I will trounce them.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
With the Jets' history, I will trounce them.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
I will make them fucking walk back like, Wow, I
had no idea. I had no idea. And I'm not
saying that other fans don't have it hard. I'm not
saying that other fans don't deal with shit. You know,
we got our cousins in pain. That Bears can't find
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a quarterback obviously, the Lions up until just recently, they've
never won a championship in the NFL. Yeah, man, how
about the Cardinals? They qualify the Jaguars, right, we know
who we are. But please, like whenever they chime in
(35:21):
and they go, oh, I know, man, imagine being this.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
You think you got it, bed, I laugh.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
So when you give us something, anything to sink our
teeth into, dude, we will flip from negative Nellies the
positive Patricia's.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
In a matter of hours. And that's what it is. Guys.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
We're gonna get into some some Aaron Glenn stuff. We're
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today's Jets team in the intelligence.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Right. So after the game again we got a wonder right.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
We see Garrett Wilson arguing with Aaron Glenn walking off
the field at the half. We see all kinds of stuff,
you know, Breese Hall saying free Breecee. You got rumors
that Quinn Williams was unhappy, and YadA, YadA, YadA. But
I want you to see after the game, Aaron Glenn
talks a little bit about about some things in his
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team post game post game storytelling time. What do they
call it the post speech here? It is the postgame
story hour. So let's take a look and listen. We
got a window in. We got we got him inside.
Guy who's letting us see what the Aaron Glenn postgame
speech looked like.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Let's take a look at this.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
I don't have all the numbers and all that right now,
what man, man, when.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
It counted, you stepped your up.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Opens five hundred yards yard.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Man.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
I love this group, and man from here on out,
grit grit because I.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Told you do.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
Also, we have to create event. We did what you
show all the grid wind is game. I love.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
All right.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
So look, it sounded like there were some gaps in
the speech there right, and there were they bleeped out
a few a few words.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I'm sure you're with your your imagination.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
You can fill in the blanks there right, Like so
many madlibs games we played as kids.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
You can fill it in.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Aaron Glenn is pumped up and he said five hundred
yards of offense, two hundred and fifty four of that
was on the ground.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
And what did he say? R F and brand our brand.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
When you talk about having an identity, an identity, you
gotta create this thing.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
The problem is the problem has been we have been
unsure because of some inconsistent play by the quarterback then
you had the concussion, right, Like we're all talking about
wanting Tyrod Taylor and all this kind of stuff. Look,
with all due respect to Tyrod Taylor, sure he might
have played a little better than justin fields like we
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talked about last week, But the truth is Tyrod Taylor
has played a total of six quarters for US this
year and he's got three interceptions, one pick six, which
lost the game in Tampa.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
That was the difference. So what are we really rooting
for here? Now? We're talking about Brady Cook.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Brady Cook is an undrafted free agent rookie who's never
played an NFL snap outside of preseason, of course, and
looked sloppy as hell in preseason.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Started to put it together a little bit, But.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Do we really want to catapult this kid in? And
like some sort of narrative might not have to be
spoken out loud, but we're talking about him come in
and saving us, him being the piece, And that's way
too much weight to put on a kid who wasn't
even afted, He didn't even hear.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
His name called.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Think about it, guys, So you gotta stick whatever the
plan is. It's my firm opinion, you gotta stick with
the with the Justin Fields experiment.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I don't care what he said.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
There's only one way to go, and it sucks because
when he's playing so.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Poorly the last two weeks with a net.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Of fifteen yards you know, through the air, and that's
no good. But the alternative being two interceptions are three interceptions,
one for a pick six. That's not the solution either.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Now, Justin Fields his numbers this week, it looked like,
you know, the greatest quarterback we ever had.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
That's what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
Justin Fields twenty one of thirty two, two hundred and
forty four yards in a touchdown, no interceptions.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Again, this guy has made it all the way to
Week eight, all the way to.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
The bye, has not thrown a single interception. Now he's
fumbled the ball. We've lost a couple fumbles. I think
we only lost one if he's fumbled a couple times,
maybe one, maybe two.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
So it's not that he has no turnovers.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
But guys, this is some limited He hasn't thrown a
single interception. Now the immedia comeback to that, if you
don't have.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
It ready would be well, dude, he barely throws the
fucking ball.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah, I guess there's lots of balance, you know, you
know it goes both ways here, but the point still.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Is the point. Like you look at him. Week one,
he comes out and he throws.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
He has two hundred and eighteen yards and a touchdown,
no interceptions, seventy two point seven percent completion percentage against
the Steelers, a one to nineteen QBR. Then he plays
the Bills. We know what that looked like. It was
ugly as hell. He had a twenty seven point three
completion percentage, twenty seven total yards, no touchdown, no picks,
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and at thirty nine point six QBR against the Dolphins
comes or yeah, Dolphins, seventy four point one percent completion percentage,
two hundred and twenty six yards in a touchdown, no picks,
one hundred and eleven QBR against the Cowboys, sixty nine
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point six percent completed percentage, two eighty three, two touchdowns,
no intercepts. And then he has the two bad weeks
right with. You know, the last couple of weeks he
looked abysmal. You know, fifty two point nine percent, fifty
point or fifty even fifty percent completion percentage.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
These are terrible. Forty five yards forty.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Six yards respectively, and you know the net being a
total of fifteen yards.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
He played six quarters those two weeks, fifty.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Eight point seven quarterback rating and fifty nine point seven terrible.
Then he comes out this week because he's Tyrod Taylor's hurt,
so justin fields it he comes out, he has a
sixty five point six percent completion percentage for two hundred
and forty four yards a touchdown and a ninety nine
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point zero complee are a court quarterback rating. So one
thing we can say here, it's not that the narrative
has changed per se. It's not like, hey, this is
this guy's the answer or anything like that. But we
might be looking at somebody who's learning his third offense
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in three years. He's got a whole new staff, new team,
and he might just not have it all together. It's
just that simple. He might not have it all together.
He's not the greatest quarterback to begin with, and he's
inconsistent and sporadic like that could be very much. It's
just that simple, And if we weren't as intense as
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we are, maybe we just take a step back and
let it happen. I don't know, let's look at his
rushing yards too, So he's also got three rushing touchdowns.
So he's got seven touchdowns total this season, three on
the ground and four in the air.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Is that what he is? So it's not great, right,
it's not great what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
But right now he's got an average of sixty three
point seven percent completion percentage. And that's with games like
Buffalo twenty nine percent, games.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Like the last couple of weeks fifty eight.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
And fifty nine percent, So extremes on one end and
then you got you know the other side. But it's
like when you balance it all together. As far as
his efficiency, He's sad to say, outside of Aaron Rodgers
last year, he's having one of the better. It's crazy, right,
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Howebo Abysmo, we really are. But he's not having the
worst season by Jets quarterback standards. Again, I'm not I'm
not trying to shift it all and revise history. I'm
just talking just bringing up a point that if maybe
Tanner Engstrand can just get confidence a little bit in him, right,
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a little bit of confidence.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
And how about this.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
You saw in this game they were using his legs
a lot more by design. And here's I am a
firm believer that you need to build the plan around
the strengths of the man running it, or and everybody
else for that matter. If you got nobody with top
end speed, you shouldn't be sending anybody on go.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Routes like simple stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
So if we can factor in Justin Field's legs, it's like,
remember a couple of years ago, two years ago, right
after the bye, a couple weeks after the buy, Paul
Hackett's son said, Hey, we didn't know that priests could
be such an asset in the passing game.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Now, what are you talking about, moron?
Speaker 4 (46:59):
But the fact being that it took him some time
to realize some shit as the offensive coordinator. Okay, wait
a minute, maybe I can do this or maybe I
can do that. And that was what I hope happens
here with Justin Fields, Like, here's the truth of it,
and this is what he's shown throughout his career and
in college at Ohio State. He's really a one maybe
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to read quarterback.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
It just is what it is.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
Man. You want to make him take a seven step
drop and have long developing routes, He's lost in the
sauce by the time he gets to a sixth step,
he's lies done already. So you do the quick stuff.
Garrett's your first read. A tight end or the running
back should be your second read. And if they're not there,
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take off, Take off, dude. Commit confidently. It doesn't matter.
If a first down is the result, it doesn't matter.
And hopefully coming out of the by seeing the success
of week one, which they did a lot of that
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and week eight, look at the similarities. When Justin Field's
legs are involved and you're not really asking him to
do too much outside of what his you know his
skill set is, maybe just maybe you can put something
together that's successful because we have talent all over the place.
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Garrett Wilson, who hasn't played in the last couple of weeks,
it is what it is. He's allowed to get hurt,
hasn't been hurt. Is the first time he's out in
four years.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
It happens. So we got Garrett Wilson, you got Brisaw.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Tyler Johnson came out of the bag today, looked like
he could be competent. Isaiah Williams had himself a nice
a nice game this week. You got Bresaw, you got
Isaiah Davis. Brayln Allen we know is also very talented.
Mason Taylor is only going to be as good as
the people throwing him.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
The ball, but he looks like a ballplayer. Doney Jeremy Rutgert.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Had his impact this week as well, and he can
come out of the box.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
He's a good blocker. Keep him.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Just keep these guys doing what they do well, don't
overthink it, don't get nuts, and maybe, just maybe you
can put something together safe efficient at the same time,
not fear based and conservative. Safe but not conservative, efficient,
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but not afraid. Maybe you can put it all together.
Bris Haall, look at this guy. Brissall had eighteen rushes
for one hundred and thirty three yards and two touchdowns
on the ground. That's a seven point four yard average.
Seven point four yards of rush guys, and he happened
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to throw in another touchdown. So Breese Hall responsible for
three touchdowns on the day. Isaiah Davis are RB three
now RB two because of Braylen Allen's injury. Isaiah Davis
seven rushes sixty five yards and a nine point three
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yard average. Justin Fields had eleven rushes against the Bengals,
some designed, some not two point eight yard average, so
nothing there, but got himself some first downs and also
moved the you know, got like on a blown first down,
he makes it into five yards. I'll take it instead
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of a sack or a whatever, you know, a zero
yard play. Isaiah Williams also had a rush day for
twenty five yards. Tyler Johns Huntson led the receivers yardage wise.
He had three receptions for sixty four yards in a
touchdown Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Davis, so he had.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
The six rushes or seven rushes for sixty five yards.
But Isaiah Davis also had five receptions for forty four yards.
That's ninety nine all purpose yards for Isaiah Davis. That's
a hundo where I come from eight point eight yard average.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
In the air.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
By the way, Tyler Johnson's average on three catches with
twenty one point three yards, and you got Mason Taylor
coming in with five receptions thirty four yards and a touchdown.
Isaiah Williams had three catches, so he had the rush
for twenty five three catches for thirty one yards, chains
moving stuff like that. Had a decent day returning the
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ball as well. Jeremy Rutger had that pivotal catch for
twenty four yards. Aaron Smith got in the game third
down catch twenty three yards.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Brisall had two more catches for fourteen yards.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Andrew Beck and Allen has already pulled one in. So
you know, going into the by they gotta really look
at this and be honest with themselves. Maybe this is
who we are our brand of football is this?
Speaker 1 (52:29):
We're not that?
Speaker 4 (52:30):
And these games, a lot of these games have been close, guys,
you know this.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
We've lost these games and one point two points.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
And I know some of it was garbage timey stuff,
but it's not really garbage time when you have an
opportunity to win it at the end. We're doing on
side kicks and stuff, which the NFL is already realizing
this is this is the worst. Supposedly they're considering the
fourth and fifteen thing. So if instead of on side
kicking and you just from your own twenty yard line
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or something, you get a fourth and fifteen, you get
one play to see if you'll get the ball back.
The downside to that is if you fail, the other
team gets the ball where you failed.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Something like that.
Speaker 4 (53:13):
I think that would be exciting, at least it's you know, risky,
but you're willing to do it.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
But look at how we lost, guys.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
I mean again, you know, you know Week one, we
should have won that game. It was an Exavier Gibson fumble.
That was the difference, among many other things, but that
was the real difference in the game.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Thirty four to thirty two.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
The Bills game they trounced us, the Jets Bucks without
that pick six, shit man, twenty nine to twenty seven.
And again, I remember, I know the deal, what happened
in the fourth quarter, and you know, shit, we looked
like nothing for three quarters.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
And then you know, I get it. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (53:52):
A game is four quarters for a reason, A game
is sixty minutes for a reason. Jets Dolphins, we could
have very easily won that game, twenty seven to twenty one.
One score game the Cowboys uglier than it looked, but
it's still thirty seven to twenty two. Isn't exactly something
I'm telling my friends about. So I'm not writing home
about that one. Jets Broncos, come on thirteen to eleven.
(54:15):
We could have won that game at any time. Panthers
thirteen six, So you see, we're not that far away.
I'm not saying we're gonna be the champion. We're not
that far away from being a competent team. And if
you're doing it the hard way, they're doing it the
hard way.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
And speaking of the hard way, let's talk about the
big thing this week. Now, we lost somebody. We started
the football Sunday with some really bad news, really bad news,
a player that you know, ninety nine point nine percent
of Jets fans absolutely loved. There's always that point one
percent that are just weird. Nick mann Gold. I remember
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when he was drafted. We took the brickishaw Ferguson out
of Uva with the fourth overall pick, I think, and
then Nick Mannon Gold was the pick that we got
from the John Abraham trade. Now, John Abraham was the
Jets great and a lot of Jets fans were not
happy that Eric Mangini decided to trade him, but he
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got that pick and the saving grace. When you trade
a player like John Abraham away, a dominant ed rusher special,
When you trade a guy like that away and you
get that pick, it's like trading Revis and fucking getting
d Milner. That's the other way that you could do
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this whole thing. What the Jets did was we traded
away John Abraham and we used that pick on one
Nick Man Gold, a guy that we would see manning
the center of our offensive line for a decade plus.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
Missed almost no games.
Speaker 4 (56:06):
His partner in crime left tackled the Brickashaw Ferguson missed
one snap in the entire ten years he was with us,
and that was by design.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
It wasn't because he needed to be out.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
They just did something weird and they put him on
the sideline for one player or something like that. Nick
Man Goold was the heart and soul of our offense
for years. You remember when Joe Douglas first came here,
and so Mike mccagnan did the whole draft right, and
he did the whole free agency, and we still had
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he spent one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
In free agency.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
We had the number three overall pick and a full draft,
and Joe doug We fire Mike mccagnan, and Joe Douglas
arrives here and there's no offensive line, nobody to speak up.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
So what he did was he talked Khalil, the guy.
Speaker 4 (56:57):
Khalil, the long time all pro sent, he talked him
off the couch. He had retired that year. He called
him and said, look, I need somebody now he sucked
for us, but it doesn't matter. At that point, there
was nothing else Joe Douglas could do, so he talks
him off the couch. Do you remember what Ryan Khalil
said the first thing he had to do when Joe
Douglas was calling him and he was considering taking him
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up on the offer, Do you guys remember what Ryan Khalil.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
Said he had to do.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
He said he had to call Nick Mangold and make
sure it was cool because that's Knick's team.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Now. He didn't have to do it.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
It's a sign of respect Nick Mangold. In the world
of centers, the Jets were Nicks, the Jets were Mangolds,
and Ryan Khalil as he as he considered accepting the offer,
he called Nick Mangold to talk to him about it. Say, hey, man,
that's what I'm thinking of doing. Get the okay. It's
(57:52):
like asking your girlfriend's father for her hand. Truth is,
you don't need to, but it's a sign of respect.
That's who Nick man Gold was now Nick man Goold
seven time Pro bowler, three time All Pro is being
(58:12):
nominated for the Hall of Fame this year.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
It's a shame. Now.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Whether or not he's a first ballot, we don't know,
but I do think he's destined for the Hall of
Fame one way or the other. He might not make
it in the first time, but he'll get in because
he's a great player. This man stayed like so, Look,
he's not from here, He's not from New York area.
He's born in Ohio, lived in Ohio, played college ball
(58:39):
at Ohio State. So every reason in the world to
think you'd be more associated with Ohio. But the last
number of years since his retirement, he's been a very,
very vocal and outward figure in the New York Jets community.
He's one of us. He was eleven year years all
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with the Jets, all with the Jets. He never played
for another NFL team, and when he retired, he stayed
right here. He's announcing draft picks, he's traveling with the
team when we're playing in London. He's doing all the stuff.
He's a Jet. He's always been a Jet since the
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day we drafted him, and he was a Jet every
day of his retirement. And he's a jet right now.
We lost one of our own this weekend and it's sad.
And he was forty one years old and he was
a big, strong man, burly, and it's just you don't
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think a guy like that can be taken so quickly.
And when his former coach, Rex Ryan, remember he was
drafted by Eric Mangini, so he played three years under Manginie,
but then the six year as he played for Rex,
and then there was Todd Bowles for a couple of
years and that was it. So he had Manginie, Rex Bulls.
(01:00:10):
So Rex was the coach for the longest time, six
years with Rex and Mangold. So when they asked him,
they asked Rex Ryan Sunday morning, how he felt it
was a tear jerker. I'd like to show that to
you now if you haven't seen it. It's heavy duty, man,
(01:00:33):
And I think sums up the feelings that we're all
having about Nick Mangold as I think about it, about
as good as you can. So let's take a look
at Rex Ryan and his feelings about the passing of
the great Nick Mangold.
Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
I have some extraordinarily sad news to report on behalf
of all of us.
Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Here.
Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
Tough news for everyone around the National Football League. I'm
very sorry to be the one to tell you that
former New York Chefs center Nick Mangold has died. Mangold
had battled chronic kidney disease since a two thousand and
six diagnosis for a rare genetic disorder. He went public
earlier this month about his need for a kidney transplant.
He was a two time first team All Pro. He
was selected by the Jets in the first round in
(01:01:14):
two thousand and six out of Ohio Is, going on
to appear in seven Pro Bowls. He was named to
the team's Ring of Honor in twenty twenty two. Nick
Mangold was just forty one years old. Rex Ryan, you,
of course coached Nick Mangold in New York. This is
a difficult day for so many people, but particularly for you.
What are your emotions this morning?
Speaker 8 (01:01:33):
Oh, that's just it's brutal.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
It's such a great young man.
Speaker 8 (01:01:41):
I the pleasure of coaching him for all six years
with the Jets, and I remember it was obviously I
was getting fired my last game.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Mangold's injured, like injured, and he comes to me he says,
I'm playing this game and point for me. God's what
I remember about this kid. He was awesome and is
this way too young? That feels so bad for his
wife and family.
Speaker 7 (01:02:14):
Rough difficulty obviously for so many who knew and loved
Nick Mangold and you among those and all of the
Jets family, the Ohio State family is morning today as well.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Nick Mangold gone and.
Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Just yeah, I mean that about says it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
And I was at that game.
Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
As a matter of fact, that game that Recks Ryan's
talking about right there, This is my this is my past.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
That was the the treatment center right there that I
was the executive director of.
Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
We had a box down there at SUNLIGHTE Stadium now
at hard Rock Stadium. And this is my on field
pass right so this is my let's see my Sideline Club.
Can you see it?
Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
The light's kind of weird. There you go, Sideline Club
week ten?
Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
It was, so that was the end of the or
their tenth game, that's what it was down there or whatever.
December twenty eighth, twenty fourteen, Rex Ryan's last game. I
actually got to meet Rex that day, but that's the
day that he's so who knew that was going on.
Nick mann Goold, who was injured, decided I want to
play in Rex's last game, and he's talking about the
(01:03:31):
you know, the connection, the man that he was.
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I don't care. I'm gonna I'm gonna finish this. I'm
gonna finish on my feet with you, Rex.
Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
And it's a sad day, man, and I'm glad that
the Jets were able to pull out a victory on
this day.
Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
It just, you know, look.
Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
In the severity of things in life. Obviously a football
game pales in comparison to the life of a man.
But there's only so much there's you know, there's things
that from each position that somebody stands. There's only so
much you can do to do your part. And the Jets,
on this day that we heard of the passing of
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the great Nick man Goold, the Jets did something and
the only way that they could. They decided that this
would be a fine time to win our first game
of the Aaron Glen Era and the twenty twenty five season.
And my heart goes out to Nick man Goold's family
and to all of us.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
I'm sad today. I'm sad.
Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
I'm gonna be sad for a minute as this really
sets in. But with that said, I want to wish
everybody a great rest of the week. Love your family, man,
show love, get your priorities straight, make sure the people
that you love know you love them. Take today and
say it because you just never know. With that all said,
(01:04:56):
enjoy the rest of your week, my friends. Don't forget
to hit the like button and subscribe if you haven't.
If you're new here, thanks for checking it out. I'll
see you next time, and as always, coad Jets
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