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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, here we go four red ten. Alright, Jets fans,
We're back. The Jets are back. Baby. It's a funny
thing with this team, huh. But I will say this,
it does feel good to win, right unless you really
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wanted them not to win, which case they're just doing
the same stuff they did all year to us. Isn't
it fun? Anyway? We are celebrating a victory Monday right
here on green Beans Jets Pod. I am glad you're here.
Thanks for hanging out with me in this little forum
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and I. It's nice intimate, isn't it nice? You're like
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it a little bit more fun. Anyway, this season has
been weird. So the Jets win? Huh? How you feeling?
How you feel? Jets fans? You know, we're split, like always,
we talk about it every week. Right. There are fans
who think that you shouldn't root for losses and other
fans who think, man, we always win when it doesn't
mean anything, and then we don't get the top draft
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picks and win. Blah blah blah blah blah. Here we go.
So this was a double year bang for your buck game.
The Jets could have gotten high, as I believe it's
the fourth overall pick this week, but instead we are
at eight. We lost a spot, so we're at the
eighth overall pick. Now, when you get down to it,
four eight, you know, if that's what it is. But
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it helps, and you got three more games and you
might even be able to see the Giants win one,
you know, Carolinas and the Patriots somebody. You just keep
losing and you get down there. But here's what's gonna happen.
And this is what the theme of our little podcast
will be this week. The Jets are gonna find a
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way to win some of these games. Now. Look, here's
the thing. The box score is interesting, right because we
did have we had a really good We had an
opening drive touchdown to Garrett Wilson, beautiful, and then we
went into the toilet a class we do, you know,
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the rest of the half pretty much, and we come
out in the second half and have this explosion one
hundred and ninety eight yards for Devonte Adams, hundred and
ninety eight yards and two touchdowns. We haven't seen anything
like that in a very long time. Gary Wilson had
three catches for fifty six yards in a touchdown. Aaron
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Rodgers throws for what is it, two hundred and eighty
nine yards and three touchdowns. So here we are, like,
it looks like it's this whole resurgence had three hundred
plus yards last week for Aaron Rodgers. Now it's like
two weeks in a row, not quite three hundred, but
you could say that's a three hundred yard game two
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eighty nine. That's three hundred where I come from, right,
So it starts to paint the picture. And we're winning
a game we almost won last week, you know, with
so many missed opportunities, from the field goal kicking earlier
on in this season to the blown leads with the defense,
there's an argument right now to be made that this
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group of players, not everybody. Of course, maybe kin lag
can law Leaky Foto, what a whiff that was, you know,
some other fellas right, they're not gonna be here next year,
But the larger core maybe they needed some time to
kind of work it out. The other side of it
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is it's the Jaguars. Everybody, let's temper our enthusiasm just
a little bit. But it doesn't take away the fact
that for numerous weeks now the Jets have looked and
even in earlier in this season there were games we
just should have won missed field goal at theien even
those alone were a six win team. Now today we'd
have we'd have seven wins going into the final three,
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you could have a ten win seat, you know what
I mean. So there's an argument everybody like we, I think,
in the in the long stretch of winlessness, we have
this overall mindset of like, dude, obviously this is I mean,
we need a clean slate. We need to wipe it
down and just start over. The GM's gone, the head
coach is gone. This coaching staff should be gone. Aaron
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Rodgers is a shell of his former self. Davante Adams
is hot and cold. We were calling him, drop the Adams.
You know, drops the Adams. Earlier in the first half,
you had a couple of drops and you just look around,
you like, clean slate, Keep the young guys, the breezes,
the g dubs of the world, and just start over.
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Get a new regime in here and build on top
of the young talent that you do have, and let's
go from there. But maybe you got a factor in
that they are all playing together for the first time,
that the coaching staff isn't all that good overall, especially
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on the offensive side of the ball. Maybe it just
take maybe, you know, I don't know, there's an argument
to be made again, we're late in the sea, and
you got another team that might be hoping the tank
a little bit. They were playing, don't get me wrong,
but it's the Jaguars. They also have they have three wins,
so they're in the same boat that we are. So
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you can't go super Bowl, you know, mentality, mindset when
you're beating the Jaguars. Now, historically it's our first ever
game with thirty plus points in the Aaron Rogers Rogers
regime or era, right, So there's I mean, you can
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take out of it what you want, but there is
this argument, like when you look on the field, the
truth is is that nobody can explain what the hell
why can't the Jets close out a game? Why can't
the Jets figure out how to win? Now? A lot
of it does come down to the coaching, right, you
got an issue on defense. They're eating you alive and
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they don't really change much. We saw the last couple
of weeks they started this five man rote, you know,
really five down linemen on the defensive line consistently all game.
We're seeing that package now and it's working here and there,
but it doesn't look like anything groundbreaking. We're still not disguising.
We're still getting eaten up in the zone, and you'd
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like to think that we could come out with something different,
a different look, we know, scheme toward the opponent, so
to speak, when clearly teams are just looking at how
to beat us and they're taking advantage of it, especially
late in the game when it's time to just get
drive down and get it winning touchdown or whatever they
are able to do that. You saw this stat this weekend.
It was all over the feed. The Jets had what
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five leads in the fourth quarter that they lost or
whatever it was. I forget, but you know what I mean.
So it's it's like it's close at times. And when
you look around the roster, having wide receivers like Devonte
Adams and Garrett Wilson, we're both under contract for next year. Yes,
they'll have to be some reworking. On the one Adams side,
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you got Aaron Rodgers and he's under county. You know,
you got to rework it a little bit and figure
this out the whole thing. You got four fifths of
the offensive line. You still got Bryce Hall and Braylen Allen,
Isaiah Davis in the running back room, Alan Lazard is
hot garbage. That guy. I don't know what's up with
that guy. Aaron Rodgers wants him on the field, so
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he's on the field, but he not looking good since
he came back off the injury. Maybe it's gonna take
him eight weeks to get right. Who knows, who knows?
But where are you, you know, with all this stuff.
It's like, there's the side of it that's like, look,
we already as far as the front office, like the
general manager. Yes, we have Phil Savage and the rest
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of the crew there, but he's gone. The head coach
that this team was built under, he's gone. The other coach.
I mean, yes, we want a game today, but we've
lost what nine since he whatever it is since he
took over, were two and three, and now we lost
seven games, seven of nine. That's what it is under
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his watch. So there's not a lot of meat on
the bone. But if they go out there and they
win these last three games, let's say you got the Rams,
the Dolphins, and the Bills. Imagine pulling together a four
game win streak to close out the season. What would
that do to the think tank that is the New
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York Jets. Now, granted we don't even know who the
general managers. It might do nothing for him. He might think,
I don't care about any of this. I want to
start over. I don't want Aaron Rodgers, I don't want Davante,
I don't want all these old guys. I want to
bring in my coach, and I want to start with
a new quarterback. Or maybe they have one buffer year
with Tyrod Taylor and Jordan Travis going head to head
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in the competition. Who knows if that's what they're gonna do.
Maybe they look at Aaron Rodgers and they say, hey,
we're gonna have this kind of buffer year. Anyway, the
team's built. They went through their lumps last year. We
stack it with a few new items. Get a new tackle,
get a new wide receiver to go into the you know,
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to fold in. Maybe you're at the seventh or eighth
pick and you use that for a wide receiver right there,
get a premium guy maybe who knows, Maybe you're you're
up high enough and you get Hunter. Doubt it, but
maybe so maybe we could do that and say, look,
let's run it back with these guys. The team's built.
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They just took all their lumps this year. They're starting
to win games, They're flowing, they got some symmetry, they
have some comfort. You tell them all, we're gonna run
it back. We're gonna fortify a few areas, and we
got a good offensive mind in here. We're gonna rework
some things and we're gonna get it going. Maybe they
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do that? Is there justification for that? Now? Obviously, again,
it's not just the general manager as a head coach.
If you get a rookie head coach, I don't know.
I'm of the thought, I don't know if a rookie
head coach coming in here with an already established Aaron
Rodgers is the smartest thing to do for the New
York Jets, especially when you know he's gonna be gone
in a year or two. Max. Max imagine he was
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healthy twenty twenty three and we did end up having
him for four years and he was playing like the
Aaron Rodgers that we thought he would. I mean, can
you imagine? Like, what is it? We don't know, but
this I'm gonna point this out to you know how
Jets fans we get a lot of a lot, we
catch a lot of slack for how negative we are.
But I'm gonna tell you if you would see one
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game one victory. It happened against the Texans as well
on Halloween. We win one game and most of the
fans start jumping right back on believing again. We want
to believe so badly. Give us three, four, five wins
in a row and this fan base would be out
of control. Roll with positivity. We're just waiting for some
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something positive to happen. They never give it to us.
That's the problem. They never give it to us. They
don't know how to just have any consistent positivity around here.
So where are we? We're negative. It's like in the
live streams watching a negative game and we're talking about it,
what's happening in our in our in front of our faces?
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And people say, why are you being so negative all
the time, Well, I'm watching something negative. It's like watching
a house burn. You're like, oh my god, it's terrible. Well,
why are you being so negative? Well, because I'm watching
people's belongings burn. I'm watching it's terrible. It's why. It's
why I'm negative, Because what I'm seeing is the worst,
and that's what that's kind of what it is. Look
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at justice alone now, granted, half of us at least,
if not more. We're hoping that the Jets just lose
out because we never do that. This is a cyclical thing, guys.
We do this every year. At the end of the season.
We pulled together one, two, three more victories that mean nothing,
and all it serves to do is push the draft
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pick backwards from the top overall pick so far, you know,
for second, third, fifth, sixth, tenth, eleventh, whatever it might be,
just down the line. That's what we do every single year,
and again, I'll say it. I say it every fucking week.
But we haven't had the number one overall pick since
nineteen ninety seven. And who's sucked more consistently than we
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have every year. There's just somebody who sucks better. They
just know how to suck right, and they get that
first overall pick and they get a CJ. Stroud or
they get a Caleb Williams whatever it is, you know,
and we don't get to do that. The closest we
got was the second overall pick, which is pretty good
for us, pretty good, and we got Zaki puh so Hey.
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Doesn't always work out, of course, but my whole thing
is to want to trade back that's my thing. There's
always going to be somebody who wants to jump up
for that quarterback. If you're in the first or second spot,
you can always do it. You can always pull it together.
You get an egg, even if it's just something like
you get an extra second this year, so you slide
back a few spots. You get a second and a
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first next year. So next year you got two first
and then the team that traded up with you, they're
likely to be on the poorer side. It's very unlikely
that they're gonna be that high and then shoot to
the moon. So you get like a top ten pick
out of it next year. And that's the way to
do it in my opinion. That all said, the other
side is maybe these guys could use a little winning
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if we are gonna run it back with them, If
you are gonna run it back with this group of people,
maybe just maybe winning. If you can figure out how
to beat Buffalo, how to beat the Rams on these
are teams going into the playoffs and then finish the
season and jab a spike into the hearts of the
Miami Dolphins. Would that kill us? We'd be a seven
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and ten. Once again, it's where it's the highest we've
gotten in a long time, since twenty fifteen. That's our
best record, right, it's seven wins. So we get back there,
and it kind of gives you that little boost toward
you know, for the guys toward the future. If Aaron
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Rodgers is gonna come back, I Vante Adams is going
to come back, both of whom if you need him
to rework your deals and you say, look, we're going
to run this back one more year, rework the deal
so we can get you some pieces, maybe they do that.
Now what do you think I mean with Aaron Rodgers
has done it already, so maybe he would. I don't
know about Davonte Adams. I can't speak for him. I
don't know him very well. Well, let's take a look
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at it, you know, the idea of running it back
with Aaron Rodgers. So look at this, guys, we're all
complaining about Aaron Rodgers, myself included. Right, we did not
get the Aaron Rodgers we thought we were going to get.
He's looking more comfortable. You saw him run for forty
five yards today. He's looking he's escaping. He's looking like
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he's a little bit more sprightly. He's running down the field,
you know, But this guy has a sixty two point
five percent completion percentage and again not groundbreaking, higher than
we're used to. But we're looking at three thousand, two
hundred and fifty five yards, twenty three touchdowns, and eight interceptions.
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For contrast, those eight interceptions the last few years, that's
how many passing touchdowns we were getting from like the
guys like Zach Wilsoner who has never passed for more
than ten in interceptions touchdowns in a season. So we're
looking at twenty three passing touchdowns thirty two hundred and
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fifty five yards. Do you realize if he throws for
two hundred and fifty one yards over the next three games,
two hundred and fifty one yards not crazy, he'll break
Joe Namath. Joe namaths greatest season as a New York
Jet four thousand and seven yards. Now Namath did it
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in fourteen games. We're not comparing the two. We're just
talking about how many yards, touchdowns and stuff for that season.
So in that season, Joe Namath had twenty six touchdowns,
but he also had twenty eight interceptions. Okay, so I
mean it's a little flippy flippy, you know, flip roun.
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So if you look at if Aaron Rodgers throws for
two hundred and fifty one yards, I said, right something
like that, two hundred and fifty one yards for the
next three games, he will have four thousand, ten yards
or eight yards forgive me, you guys know it's not
my strong suit. I'm trying, but he already had. If
you know, he gets two more touchdowns or no, he
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needs five more touchdowns, but either way, the yards crazy
And Joe Namath's percentage then was fifty two point five,
so he's already got that. We're looking at the greatest
quarterback performance in New York Jets history. Can you really
push that out aggressively? If he's willing to stay you
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know what I'm saying, Like, can you do that? He
threw for three touchdowns today, He threw for a touchdown.
Last week, he threw for three hundred and thirty nine
last week, he throws for two to eighty nine this week. Like,
it's not beyond the realm of possibility. Here, we're looking
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at four thousand yards. I know for the other teams
in the NFL, not maybe the biggest deal what four
thousand yards? We have that one hundred times, the Broncos,
the Raiders, the Chiefs, whoever, Niners. Yeah, four thousands, that's
the floor. It's a standard. Thirty seven fifty to forty
five is the standard. Maybe now for us, we're already
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thirty two hundred. Shit, when's the last time we saw that?
Did Sammy ever have that? Maybe maybe had over three thousand?
But it's like, I don't know, we don't see this stuff.
So are we being a little bit presumptuous that the
Jets are gonna move on from this guy? Especially if
he figures out a way to win these last games?
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What if they figure out a way to win against
the Bills and the Rams and the Dolphins, we get
to seven wins. He throws for over four thousand yards,
and you just look at it. Those three games that
we lost because of Zerline, literally lost because of him.
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This is a ten win team. Are you so willing
to throw it in the garbage? I don't know. Again,
there's just one week. Does this makes you think? But
even if today was a loss and the stats were
the same, like if the Jaguars drove down there and
didn't get the first Sauce Gardner pick in two years
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at the end, there wouldn't that be something here? I
mean like it still it still speaks like, yeah, there's
a lot going on. There's a lot going wrong. Aaron
Rodgers is definitely a part of it, but the Tyron
Smith piece. Once Forshanhu came in, it's been a whole
different thing, has it not. Don't forget there was a
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game there. We were playing with four tackles and a center.
It's been an interesting season. It just brings up the point, guys,
it's like, maybe, just maybe we need to let it
all play out and see, especially if you end up
pulling in a coach like a Mike Vrabel. What if
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you get Vrabel in here and he's not worried about
coming in here and dealing with the personality that's Aaron Rodgers.
He's in a come in here. He's already he's tried
and true. This guy's a badass. He's already been there,
done that. Maybe not the Super Bowl, but he's coached
teams all the way to the AFC Championship Game, and
he did it with Ryan Tannehill. Two of his offensive
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coordinators were hired for head coaching jobs, one of whom
coached Aaron Rodgers up in Green Bay is still there,
by the way. So it's one of those scenarios where
maybe just maybe the best thing to do now that
the tracks are greased, now that all the kind of
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the gunk is out of the system. You got Garrett Wilson,
you got Breis Hall, you got Bryon Allen, that Aaron
Rodgers loves Isaiah Davis, you got Davonte Adams. You got
all these guys that are pretty damn good. You can
get rid of some, bring some in that you like,
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four to five the unit and run it back. He
clearly needs some help on the defensive line. I'll tell
you that getting JJ back McDonald's a hit, right, We
like Will McDonald now, but let me know what you think.
Let me know, are you ready to run it back?
Are you ready to say you know what, win loser draw? Here,
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Aaron Rodgers is getting close to four thousand yards. We
have not seen that with Chad with Vinnie, with O'Brien
with Boomer, you know what I mean, with Fitzpatrick with Sammy,
with Gino, with Sanchez, and you know Chad or Chad
Zaki pooh, none of those guys could do it. Fielder Boyle,
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Mike White, the great Mike White. Maybe we maybe you
settle down and you go okay, Well, last year was rough,
but maybe this could work. I don't know. Let me
know what you think in the comments. We'll get out
of here early today. But man, oh man, what a question.
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A question for the Ages Jets fans. I can't wait
to hear what you think in the comments. I'm genuinely
curious looking at it objectively, not with our feelings. How
do you feel about running this one back? Not the
coaching staff of course. Where will we be in a
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year from now? Oh? My god, to imagine. I can't
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four winds? Do that have a great rest of your
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old as coaches,
Yeah, here we go four red ten. Alright, Jets fans,
We're back. The Jets are back. Baby. It's a funny
thing with this team, huh. But I will say this,
it does feel good to win, right unless you really
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wanted them not to win, which case they're just doing
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here on green Beans Jets Pod. I am glad you're here.
Thanks for hanging out with me in this little forum
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it a little bit more fun. Anyway, this season has
been weird. So the Jets win? Huh? How you feeling?
How you feel? Jets fans? You know, we're split, like always,
we talk about it every week. Right. There are fans
who think that you shouldn't root for losses and other
fans who think, man, we always win when it doesn't
mean anything, and then we don't get the top draft
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picks and win. Blah blah blah blah blah. Here we go.
So this was a double year bang for your buck game.
The Jets could have gotten high, as I believe it's
the fourth overall pick this week, but instead we are
at eight. We lost a spot, so we're at the
eighth overall pick. Now, when you get down to it,
four eight, you know, if that's what it is. But
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it helps, and you got three more games and you
might even be able to see the Giants win one,
you know, Carolinas and the Patriots somebody. You just keep
losing and you get down there. But here's what's gonna happen.
And this is what the theme of our little podcast
will be this week. The Jets are gonna find a
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way to win some of these games. Now. Look, here's
the thing. The box score is interesting, right because we
did have we had a really good We had an
opening drive touchdown to Garrett Wilson, beautiful, and then we
went into the toilet a class we do, you know,
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the rest of the half pretty much, and we come
out in the second half and have this explosion one
hundred and ninety eight yards for Devonte Adams, hundred and
ninety eight yards and two touchdowns. We haven't seen anything
like that in a very long time. Gary Wilson had
three catches for fifty six yards in a touchdown. Aaron
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Rodgers throws for what is it, two hundred and eighty
nine yards and three touchdowns. So here we are, like,
it looks like it's this whole resurgence had three hundred
plus yards last week for Aaron Rodgers. Now it's like
two weeks in a row, not quite three hundred, but
you could say that's a three hundred yard game two
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eighty nine. That's three hundred where I come from, right,
So it starts to paint the picture. And we're winning
a game we almost won last week, you know, with
so many missed opportunities, from the field goal kicking earlier
on in this season to the blown leads with the defense,
there's an argument right now to be made that this
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group of players, not everybody. Of course, maybe kin lag
can law Leaky Foto, what a whiff that was, you know,
some other fellas right, they're not gonna be here next year,
But the larger core maybe they needed some time to
kind of work it out. The other side of it
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is it's the Jaguars. Everybody, let's temper our enthusiasm just
a little bit. But it doesn't take away the fact
that for numerous weeks now the Jets have looked and
even in earlier in this season there were games we
just should have won missed field goal at theien even
those alone were a six win team. Now today we'd
have we'd have seven wins going into the final three,
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you could have a ten win seat, you know what
I mean. So there's an argument everybody like we, I think,
in the in the long stretch of winlessness, we have
this overall mindset of like, dude, obviously this is I mean,
we need a clean slate. We need to wipe it
down and just start over. The GM's gone, the head
coach is gone. This coaching staff should be gone. Aaron
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Rodgers is a shell of his former self. Davante Adams
is hot and cold. We were calling him, drop the Adams.
You know, drops the Adams. Earlier in the first half,
you had a couple of drops and you just look around,
you like, clean slate, Keep the young guys, the breezes,
the g dubs of the world, and just start over.
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Get a new regime in here and build on top
of the young talent that you do have, and let's
go from there. But maybe you got a factor in
that they are all playing together for the first time,
that the coaching staff isn't all that good overall, especially
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on the offensive side of the ball. Maybe it just
take maybe, you know, I don't know, there's an argument
to be made again, we're late in the sea, and
you got another team that might be hoping the tank
a little bit. They were playing, don't get me wrong,
but it's the Jaguars. They also have they have three wins,
so they're in the same boat that we are. So
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you can't go super Bowl, you know, mentality, mindset when
you're beating the Jaguars. Now, historically it's our first ever
game with thirty plus points in the Aaron Rogers Rogers
regime or era, right, So there's I mean, you can
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take out of it what you want, but there is
this argument, like when you look on the field, the
truth is is that nobody can explain what the hell
why can't the Jets close out a game? Why can't
the Jets figure out how to win? Now? A lot
of it does come down to the coaching, right, you
got an issue on defense. They're eating you alive and
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they don't really change much. We saw the last couple
of weeks they started this five man rote, you know,
really five down linemen on the defensive line consistently all game.
We're seeing that package now and it's working here and there,
but it doesn't look like anything groundbreaking. We're still not disguising.
We're still getting eaten up in the zone, and you'd
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like to think that we could come out with something different,
a different look, we know, scheme toward the opponent, so
to speak, when clearly teams are just looking at how
to beat us and they're taking advantage of it, especially
late in the game when it's time to just get
drive down and get it winning touchdown or whatever they
are able to do that. You saw this stat this weekend.
It was all over the feed. The Jets had what
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five leads in the fourth quarter that they lost or
whatever it was. I forget, but you know what I mean.
So it's it's like it's close at times. And when
you look around the roster, having wide receivers like Devonte
Adams and Garrett Wilson, we're both under contract for next year. Yes,
they'll have to be some reworking. On the one Adams side,
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you got Aaron Rodgers and he's under county. You know,
you got to rework it a little bit and figure
this out the whole thing. You got four fifths of
the offensive line. You still got Bryce Hall and Braylen Allen,
Isaiah Davis in the running back room, Alan Lazard is
hot garbage. That guy. I don't know what's up with
that guy. Aaron Rodgers wants him on the field, so
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he's on the field, but he not looking good since
he came back off the injury. Maybe it's gonna take
him eight weeks to get right. Who knows, who knows?
But where are you, you know, with all this stuff.
It's like, there's the side of it that's like, look,
we already as far as the front office, like the
general manager. Yes, we have Phil Savage and the rest
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of the crew there, but he's gone. The head coach
that this team was built under, he's gone. The other coach.
I mean, yes, we want a game today, but we've
lost what nine since he whatever it is since he
took over, were two and three, and now we lost
seven games, seven of nine. That's what it is under
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his watch. So there's not a lot of meat on
the bone. But if they go out there and they
win these last three games, let's say you got the Rams,
the Dolphins, and the Bills. Imagine pulling together a four
game win streak to close out the season. What would
that do to the think tank that is the New
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York Jets. Now, granted we don't even know who the
general managers. It might do nothing for him. He might think,
I don't care about any of this. I want to
start over. I don't want Aaron Rodgers, I don't want Davante,
I don't want all these old guys. I want to
bring in my coach, and I want to start with
a new quarterback. Or maybe they have one buffer year
with Tyrod Taylor and Jordan Travis going head to head
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in the competition. Who knows if that's what they're gonna do.
Maybe they look at Aaron Rodgers and they say, hey,
we're gonna have this kind of buffer year. Anyway, the
team's built. They went through their lumps last year. We
stack it with a few new items. Get a new tackle,
get a new wide receiver to go into the you know,
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to fold in. Maybe you're at the seventh or eighth
pick and you use that for a wide receiver right there,
get a premium guy maybe who knows, Maybe you're you're
up high enough and you get Hunter. Doubt it, but
maybe so maybe we could do that and say, look,
let's run it back with these guys. The team's built.
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They just took all their lumps this year. They're starting
to win games, They're flowing, they got some symmetry, they
have some comfort. You tell them all, we're gonna run
it back. We're gonna fortify a few areas, and we
got a good offensive mind in here. We're gonna rework
some things and we're gonna get it going. Maybe they
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do that? Is there justification for that? Now? Obviously, again,
it's not just the general manager as a head coach.
If you get a rookie head coach, I don't know.
I'm of the thought, I don't know if a rookie
head coach coming in here with an already established Aaron
Rodgers is the smartest thing to do for the New
York Jets, especially when you know he's gonna be gone
in a year or two. Max. Max imagine he was
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healthy twenty twenty three and we did end up having
him for four years and he was playing like the
Aaron Rodgers that we thought he would. I mean, can
you imagine? Like, what is it? We don't know, but
this I'm gonna point this out to you know how
Jets fans we get a lot of a lot, we
catch a lot of slack for how negative we are.
But I'm gonna tell you if you would see one
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game one victory. It happened against the Texans as well
on Halloween. We win one game and most of the
fans start jumping right back on believing again. We want
to believe so badly. Give us three, four, five wins
in a row and this fan base would be out
of control. Roll with positivity. We're just waiting for some
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something positive to happen. They never give it to us.
That's the problem. They never give it to us. They
don't know how to just have any consistent positivity around here.
So where are we? We're negative. It's like in the
live streams watching a negative game and we're talking about it,
what's happening in our in our in front of our faces?
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And people say, why are you being so negative all
the time, Well, I'm watching something negative. It's like watching
a house burn. You're like, oh my god, it's terrible. Well,
why are you being so negative? Well, because I'm watching
people's belongings burn. I'm watching it's terrible. It's why. It's
why I'm negative, Because what I'm seeing is the worst,
and that's what that's kind of what it is. Look
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at justice alone now, granted, half of us at least,
if not more. We're hoping that the Jets just lose
out because we never do that. This is a cyclical thing, guys.
We do this every year. At the end of the season.
We pulled together one, two, three more victories that mean nothing,
and all it serves to do is push the draft
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pick backwards from the top overall pick so far, you know,
for second, third, fifth, sixth, tenth, eleventh, whatever it might be,
just down the line. That's what we do every single year,
and again, I'll say it. I say it every fucking week.
But we haven't had the number one overall pick since
nineteen ninety seven. And who's sucked more consistently than we
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have every year. There's just somebody who sucks better. They
just know how to suck right, and they get that
first overall pick and they get a CJ. Stroud or
they get a Caleb Williams whatever it is, you know,
and we don't get to do that. The closest we
got was the second overall pick, which is pretty good
for us, pretty good, and we got Zaki puh so Hey.
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Doesn't always work out, of course, but my whole thing
is to want to trade back that's my thing. There's
always going to be somebody who wants to jump up
for that quarterback. If you're in the first or second spot,
you can always do it. You can always pull it together.
You get an egg, even if it's just something like
you get an extra second this year, so you slide
back a few spots. You get a second and a
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first next year. So next year you got two first
and then the team that traded up with you, they're
likely to be on the poorer side. It's very unlikely
that they're gonna be that high and then shoot to
the moon. So you get like a top ten pick
out of it next year. And that's the way to
do it in my opinion. That all said, the other
side is maybe these guys could use a little winning
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if we are gonna run it back with them, If
you are gonna run it back with this group of people,
maybe just maybe winning. If you can figure out how
to beat Buffalo, how to beat the Rams on these
are teams going into the playoffs and then finish the
season and jab a spike into the hearts of the
Miami Dolphins. Would that kill us? We'd be a seven
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and ten. Once again, it's where it's the highest we've
gotten in a long time, since twenty fifteen. That's our
best record, right, it's seven wins. So we get back there,
and it kind of gives you that little boost toward
you know, for the guys toward the future. If Aaron
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Rodgers is gonna come back, I Vante Adams is going
to come back, both of whom if you need him
to rework your deals and you say, look, we're going
to run this back one more year, rework the deal
so we can get you some pieces, maybe they do that.
Now what do you think I mean with Aaron Rodgers
has done it already, so maybe he would. I don't
know about Davonte Adams. I can't speak for him. I
don't know him very well. Well, let's take a look
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at it, you know, the idea of running it back
with Aaron Rodgers. So look at this, guys, we're all
complaining about Aaron Rodgers, myself included. Right, we did not
get the Aaron Rodgers we thought we were going to get.
He's looking more comfortable. You saw him run for forty
five yards today. He's looking he's escaping. He's looking like
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he's a little bit more sprightly. He's running down the field,
you know, But this guy has a sixty two point
five percent completion percentage and again not groundbreaking, higher than
we're used to. But we're looking at three thousand, two
hundred and fifty five yards, twenty three touchdowns, and eight interceptions.
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For contrast, those eight interceptions the last few years, that's
how many passing touchdowns we were getting from like the
guys like Zach Wilsoner who has never passed for more
than ten in interceptions touchdowns in a season. So we're
looking at twenty three passing touchdowns thirty two hundred and
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fifty five yards. Do you realize if he throws for
two hundred and fifty one yards over the next three games,
two hundred and fifty one yards not crazy, he'll break
Joe Namath. Joe namaths greatest season as a New York
Jet four thousand and seven yards. Now Namath did it
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in fourteen games. We're not comparing the two. We're just
talking about how many yards, touchdowns and stuff for that season.
So in that season, Joe Namath had twenty six touchdowns,
but he also had twenty eight interceptions. Okay, so I
mean it's a little flippy flippy, you know, flip roun.
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So if you look at if Aaron Rodgers throws for
two hundred and fifty one yards, I said, right something
like that, two hundred and fifty one yards for the
next three games, he will have four thousand, ten yards
or eight yards forgive me, you guys know it's not
my strong suit. I'm trying, but he already had. If
you know, he gets two more touchdowns or no, he
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needs five more touchdowns, but either way, the yards crazy
And Joe Namath's percentage then was fifty two point five,
so he's already got that. We're looking at the greatest
quarterback performance in New York Jets history. Can you really
push that out aggressively? If he's willing to stay you
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know what I'm saying, Like, can you do that? He
threw for three touchdowns today, He threw for a touchdown.
Last week, he threw for three hundred and thirty nine
last week, he throws for two to eighty nine this week. Like,
it's not beyond the realm of possibility. Here, we're looking
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at four thousand yards. I know for the other teams
in the NFL, not maybe the biggest deal what four
thousand yards? We have that one hundred times, the Broncos,
the Raiders, the Chiefs, whoever, Niners. Yeah, four thousands, that's
the floor. It's a standard. Thirty seven fifty to forty
five is the standard. Maybe now for us, we're already
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thirty two hundred. Shit, when's the last time we saw that?
Did Sammy ever have that? Maybe maybe had over three thousand?
But it's like, I don't know, we don't see this stuff.
So are we being a little bit presumptuous that the
Jets are gonna move on from this guy? Especially if
he figures out a way to win these last games?
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What if they figure out a way to win against
the Bills and the Rams and the Dolphins, we get
to seven wins. He throws for over four thousand yards,
and you just look at it. Those three games that
we lost because of Zerline, literally lost because of him.
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This is a ten win team. Are you so willing
to throw it in the garbage? I don't know. Again,
there's just one week. Does this makes you think? But
even if today was a loss and the stats were
the same, like if the Jaguars drove down there and
didn't get the first Sauce Gardner pick in two years
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at the end, there wouldn't that be something here? I
mean like it still it still speaks like, yeah, there's
a lot going on. There's a lot going wrong. Aaron
Rodgers is definitely a part of it, but the Tyron
Smith piece. Once Forshanhu came in, it's been a whole
different thing, has it not. Don't forget there was a
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game there. We were playing with four tackles and a center.
It's been an interesting season. It just brings up the point, guys,
it's like, maybe, just maybe we need to let it
all play out and see, especially if you end up
pulling in a coach like a Mike Vrabel. What if
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you get Vrabel in here and he's not worried about
coming in here and dealing with the personality that's Aaron Rodgers.
He's in a come in here. He's already he's tried
and true. This guy's a badass. He's already been there,
done that. Maybe not the Super Bowl, but he's coached
teams all the way to the AFC Championship Game, and
he did it with Ryan Tannehill. Two of his offensive
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coordinators were hired for head coaching jobs, one of whom
coached Aaron Rodgers up in Green Bay is still there,
by the way. So it's one of those scenarios where
maybe just maybe the best thing to do now that
the tracks are greased, now that all the kind of
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the gunk is out of the system. You got Garrett Wilson,
you got Breis Hall, you got Bryon Allen, that Aaron
Rodgers loves Isaiah Davis, you got Davonte Adams. You got
all these guys that are pretty damn good. You can
get rid of some, bring some in that you like,
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four to five the unit and run it back. He
clearly needs some help on the defensive line. I'll tell
you that getting JJ back McDonald's a hit, right, We
like Will McDonald now, but let me know what you think.
Let me know, are you ready to run it back?
Are you ready to say you know what, win loser draw? Here,
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Aaron Rodgers is getting close to four thousand yards. We
have not seen that with Chad with Vinnie, with O'Brien
with Boomer, you know what I mean, with Fitzpatrick with Sammy,
with Gino, with Sanchez, and you know Chad or Chad
Zaki pooh, none of those guys could do it. Fielder Boyle,
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Mike White, the great Mike White. Maybe we maybe you
settle down and you go okay, Well, last year was rough,
but maybe this could work. I don't know. Let me
know what you think in the comments. We'll get out
of here early today. But man, oh man, what a question.
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A question for the Ages Jets fans. I can't wait
to hear what you think in the comments. I'm genuinely
curious looking at it objectively, not with our feelings. How
do you feel about running this one back? Not the
coaching staff of course. Where will we be in a
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year from now? Oh? My god, to imagine. I can't
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