October 5, 2025 • 59 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Well, hello again, Jets fans. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, here we
are breaking records in the middle of and his historic
historic season. Welcome to the show. I am green Bean,
and you are now walking down through the entryway into
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episode one hundred and eighty five of green Beans Jets Pod.
Once again, that's me, Hello green Bean. I'm glad you're here.
I'm glad you look. I say this all the time,
and you know, look, I mean it all the time,
but uh, I gotta say it more than I'd like
because it's the only good thing we have. It's, uh,
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you know, I'm glad you're here because if if if
it wasn't for you guys, I'd be alone in this,
you know. And it's like, at least we have each other.
Like again, I always value that, even though some of
you guys are plumb crazy. I always value our uh
our fan connection. But it's even more apparent to me
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because man, there's not much else to hang your hat
on around here, is there. It gets more and more difficult,
I must say, more and more difficult every single year,
every week, you know, Like you know, look you if
you've been here before, you know me. I like to
talk history I like to take us down memory lane.
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I like to use past experiences to you know, a
highlight and or compare to what's going on now and
all that kind of stuff. I'm old, so I got
memory galore. I got I remember a lot of stuff.
You know. Yes, there are older Jets fans than I am,
but a lot of you guys. Man, you know, as
I tick you along here on this clock of life,
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you know, there's a lot of you guys that are
younger than me, which is crazy because the Jets just
have been so bad for so long that I'm really
surprised that there are any more of us like popping out,
you know. I mean, obviously you got the family connection.
You got Pop. You know, Dad's a Jets fans. So
when you were younger, you know, you kind of you
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see Dad getting all passionate about something, and just naturally
you want to be like dad or connect with your
father and all that. Maybe it's mom, you know, and
so you get Jets fans that way. But the best
way to get fans, and the way that fandoms become
big and national and all that, is because they do
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things that excite people and attract people to toward that team,
and the Jets haven't done that in quite a long time.
Obviously the last couple of years we had Aaron Rodgers
over here, so that you know that that probably can't
I don't know if it brought fans, but it brought
some energy. We had the BYU connection for a little
while with Zach Wilson. Right when we drafted Zack Wilson,
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we had all these BYU fans that came over and
they became Oh my god, boy, oh boy, did they
become annoying. You know how badly the Jets were ruining
their golden boy, you know, which, Hey, you know, maybe
it's true, maybe not. I didn't like Zack as a prospect,
so there's that. But uh, you know, hey, they got
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a point. They got a point. You know, they had
this good looking, young, all the hope in the world
kid coming into the NFL, strong arm, good legs, the
whole thing. And he just comes here and we're like
through the meat grinder. That's what we do. You know,
who knows him? Us chicken egg six and one and
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a half a dozen the other I don't know. But
other than that, I mean, so we get little drips
and drabs of fans like that, but the younger fans,
I don't know. We had a fan on our live
stream today as you guys know, or this week for
the game against the Cowboys. You know, we we do
our live reaction and watch party with the great Frankie
from Flatbush and Jets Chaos, the you know, and myself.
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We do it every week for years now. There was
a fan on the on the chat in the chat
on the stream for this game. He said, you know,
I've been a fan since twenty ten and I just
can't take it anymore. I'm out. And you think about
a guy like that who number one. I feel for you, buddy, truly,
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you know I do. He came on board right at
the end of the Rex Ryan massive, you know, influx
of just crazy positive energy here. The whole thing about
twenty nine and ten was just amazing. But to get
sucked in then twenty ten, the back end of a
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very short window right two AFC Championship games. You know,
you see those guys, you know you're getting real crazy,
you know, playing well and becoming this team, and remember
we were flying around and doing all this stuff to
come in then get sucked in by that Rex Ryan
energy there he is this guy right there, the Rex
Ryan energy. And then to just watch this for the
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last fifteen years, you know what I mean, Like that's
even worse. At least I had like the Sack exchange
and Kenny O'Brien now tooning Wesley Walker. Then we had
the Parcels years, you know, and then you look the
Herm Mangenie years. They were they were good. You know,
we didn't get to the super Bowl or anything, but
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we made the playoffs, you know, ten win seasons. Herm
won the division. We beat the living hell out of.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Was it the pack of the Bolts, I think it
was in the playoffs, like you know, a young Chad
Pennington versus a young Peyton Manning and we goose egged them,
shut them out right. It was crazy. So we had
some good years there, but man, to come on board
in twenty ten, just a crazy, crazy experience, you know
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what I'm saying. Man. So we had another loss this week,
and I think, you know, I've been maintaining throughout this
first quarter of the season that uh, maybe it's not
as bad as it looks. You know, like obviously the
Buffalo game, there's no sugar for that one. We got
beat up from the second it started to the second
and then it almost looked like the Jets showed up
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to that game like all right, we're going okay, we
just can't wait to go home. I can't wait till
this one is over. That's what it looked like. They
showed up that way. It was very little on both
sides of the ball or all three facets of the game.
It just looked very, very hopeless. But the you know, look,
Week one, we should have won it, in my opinion,
could have won it, and it was a very exciting game,
a lot of hope. Week two, Buffalo, like I said,
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no good. Week three, you got the the Buccaneers and
you know, backup quarterback justin Fields in the concussion protocol.
We had a very exciting fourth quarter three touchdowns, including
the wom McDonald fuel goal block. We're all returned all
the way for a touchdown, he blocks it, picks it up,
runs it back for a touchdown. Very very exciting. Couldn't
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hold on and we lose it. And that one you
look at like a backup quarterback pick six. That's really
the difference in the game. The whole thing. You got
Miami it was ugly, but again, you know, we're a
fumbled kick away from victory there too. You know, obviously
there's lots of variables, but I'm just breaking it down
to brass tacks here. So it's like, look, it's ugly.
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There's a lot a lot to you know, to gripe about,
but you could also look at things through the positive lens.
You know, We're like, for years, the Jets were known
for not being able to put up any points. It
would be field goals, you know, we get one touchdown
a game. If that, the defense would be holding teams
to like, you know, nine points, no touchdowns, and we
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still lose that kind of stuff. And we're putting up
twenty five thirty two points all twenty seven and it's like, okay,
well maybe there's something to build on here. And this
week against Dallas, we do the same thing that we
did the week before. We come out with this really
great opening drive and we we get to the one
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yard line essentially, and we can't punch it in. And
then we get another great drive and Briests Hall's running
like an animal. He had eight point one yards to carry.
Great day for Briswall. Really, he had a bunch more
in the in the uh you know, through the air.
What did he have? He had another forty two yards
in the air, So Britz saw he had one hundred
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and thirteen yards on the ground forty two yards and
the he had a great game. But what what is
the biggest thing is that he mumbles as we're driving.
It's in the red zone again, just like the week
before with Braylen Allen fumbling on the three yard line
as he's going in for a touchdown. We look at
this stuff and that's positive, right. Obviously, the fumble and
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the sloppy you gotta fix that stuff, and it's aggravating,
but at least you could say, Okay, we clean that
up and we got something here. It really wasn't, dude.
Dallas was playing with lots of injuries on their own line.
We couldn't do anything. Their defense is like the worst
in the league, and we couldn't do anything. You know,
their pass rush is looking like you know, like Michael
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Parsons was still there. Crazy. So anyway, it just was
one of those days where you start to kind of
scratch your head and go, man, what's what's going on here?
You know, what, what do we got and I know
Jets fans were frustrated, and people who like to be positive,
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like myself, I try, I do my damnedest man to
try to be positive. Sometimes you just got nothing, You
got nothing in the tank, you could say, Mason Taylor.
Nice to see him get involved. And yes, some of
his catches were later in that garbage time period where
we're getting some points and making it look like it
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almost could might potentially would have could have been a game,
but it's not. But he was doing stuff in the
early going as well, when the game was most certainly
still a game. So it's looks good. This is good
for the young buck, you know, because I believe he's
a damn good tight end. I think he's gonna be
everything that we want him to be. Second round pick
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in the draft this year. I love a slam dunk,
you know. But as you look at this stuff, it's
harder and harder to find positives. And Aaron Glenn, you
can see his demeanor on the sideline. He's doing the
thing we saw so many people do here. There's lots
of gifts out there. Todd Bowles is doing it, Robert
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Sala is doing it. Aaron Rodgers that thing. We're just like,
they got nothing. I got no answers. I can't make
these guys tackle. I can't make them catch the ball.
I can't stop him from dropping. I just they fumble.
I can't make them get a turnover. I'm not out there.
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You know. I'm teaching them everything I know to teach them.
I'm doing all the drills. I'm doing the accountability and
blah blah blah blah, I'm doing it all. I'm at
a loss. Four guys had a shot to tackle that guy.
It's just to run up the middle. Why did he
run for sixty six yards with twelve seconds left in
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the half. Why can't we stop them? He just I
don't know. I don't know what to do. So that's
what we got this week, and that's what we have
to look at. So we're gonna look at the game
a little bit, talk about these players. Where are we
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with this Aaron Glenn character? Does he have a shot?
Is he just a waste of time? And then in
the intelligent ripe this week we'll get into what could
it look like the oh and five Jets if they
get to Owen, you know, what will it be? It's
like week eight, week nine, something like that where the
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trade deadline is up. If we're all in eight, are
we talking firesale? And even if we're one in seven
or something along those lines, are we talking firesale? And
if we are talking firesale, what does it look like?
Who does Aaron Glenn really believe could be a part
of the future, and who does he think? You know what, man,
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this guy he's got talent, he's a player. He's not
a player for me. He's not gonna help us. I'm
not doing this. And then if the decision is made
to go that way, what value do players have? Let's
take a look at that today. Let's take a little
look at what value they could have. I don't want
to jump all the way to mock drafts or anything
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you a question. If I told you, hey, look at
the end of the day, justin Fields was gonna go
thirty two for forty six. You're gonna drop back forty
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six times, it's gonna connect on thirty two of them
for two hundred and eighty three yards and two touchdowns,
zero picks. What would you think, You go out all right,
good day. But we're doing the thing that we are
been doing all year, which is to accumulate a lot
of yards and even points for that matter, make the
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game interesting in that fourth quarter. It's been happening all year,
not Game one. Game one was very much a back
and forth kind of a battle, with the Xavier Gibson
fumbled kick return being the difference because they Dave scored
a touchdown, we kicked it off or sorry, they kicked
it off, fumbled right in our own territory, twenty five
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yard line, whatever it was, and they just real quick
scored again. It was like that momentum, so fourteen points
in like ten seconds almost, and that flipped the whole
game around, because the rest of the game has went
more back and forth. Just that it needed a sixty
yard field goal. The whole thing. That game's different these
last bunch of games very much. The same type of
a story. And you saw that again this week against
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the Dallas Cowboys, which was the game was it was
poopy cat Me just say it. I know I hate
to use profanity, but it was poopy pooopy everybody and
justin fields. Look, I can definitely put some on the
coaching and the offensive line, which I thought played well
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for a lot of the games, definitely broke down. It
just became very porous, very sieve, like he holds the
ball far too long. He's got to make a decision.
He's very indecisive. But on top of that, the line
wasn't helping him, especially that second half. I thought they
did a pretty poor job of protecting him in the
second half. And then you got the other side of it,
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which is we're struggling to get open. Not Garrett Wilson.
He looks like he's opened more times than not, which
if you had a quarterback that could take advantage of that,
was really confident to just laser it in there. If look,
you know, in the NFL, if they have a step
that's open, how do you call that NFL open? You
know what I mean, He's got a step on him.
Zip it in there. There was the one play Garrett
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Wilson down the sideline in the first half. Look, he
had two steps justin field, just had to drop it
in there. He threw it about two yards two three
yards too far. Garrett Wilson couldn't get there. But that
was a walk in touchdown. Everybody that was a walk
in touchdown got the brief saw fumble. So there's a
lot of shooting ourselves in the foot. Bris Hall very
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famously now said it last week. When the other team
shoots themselves in the foot, we come back and shoot
ourselves in the face. Now, it just so happened that
he was a part of that this week with the
big fumble. But it really is accurate no matter what
we do, whatever positivity we have, because we can move
the ball at times. And in the second half, the
defense came out looked like they stiffened up a bit,
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forced him to punt a couple of times, and then
the offense we just can't get it going when that
defense is on. We can't get everything to kind of
be symmetrical and work together. We just can't do it.
And it's tough. You know. Whenever this side's okay, we're
doing well, the other sides doing to shoot themselves in
the face thing, and then they stiffing up and now
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this side, oh sorry, we're not well. But overall, I'm
gonna tell you what it is. And Aaron Glenn's sad
said it in his presser today. I've been saying it
for weeks, I've been saying it for years. I'm gonna
say it again. The Jets are quitters. They don't I
don't think they know their quitters. And like you, we
have this other weird kind of paradigm going on where
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they're fighting until the end. That's how we're getting these
fourth quarter comeback ye kind of situations. The extra yards,
the extra touchdowns make it in the game. I mean, look,
three games in a row, at least two I think
it's three. We did on side kicks and what does
that tell you? That tells you we're on our way back.
It's the end of the game. We're running out of time.
We got to get that ball back. But if we do,
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this is a game, you know what I mean. So
we got that going on. So it's like they are
fighting til the and but they're also quitting way too early.
It's like they kind of recapture the gumption and they
start to do it's it's bizarre, quite frankly. But here's
the thing, man, the overarching issue, the biggest issue in
Aaron Glenn, the way he said it, I'll paraphrase, but
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he said, when something happens negatively, there's a thought process
of oh no, what we have to get to is okay,
it's a challenge. Okay, this happened. How do we get
you know, coming right back, like we got to play hard,
stiffen up, you know, come respond to it. And what
we've been doing is something happens and it's like we
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feel it as a collective, Well there it goes. The
bottom's falling out again, and everybody just kind of wears
that heavy weight on them as if okay, well it's over,
and it's not over yet. It just you can see
it change in them, whether it's the defense and they
just stop tackling, they just stop not playing hard, or
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the offense to just not running their routes, the offensive
line stops blocking, the quarterbacks just looks fucking lost. Whatever
it might be. It happens all over the place. But
Aaron Glenn pointed to it, and he look, he put
it on himself. He said, I have to figure out
how to get these guys past that. And it's a
great thing. Like most of these pressers are. They're they're annoying,
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these postgame pressers, they're aggravating, they're annoying you kind of
just you know, you're like, all right, they're saying the
same stupid stuff over and over and over again. But
I liked what he said today. And it's not that
I like it. It's not that I believe, oh, there
it is he said exactly the thing that's gonna fix.
But I like that he's accurately depicting the actual issue.
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It's not a fumble in a vacuum. It's not quarterback
play in a vacuum. It's not the defense in a vacuum.
It's everything. But because of the overall mindset, which is,
oh no, here it goes again, and Jets fans feel it.
We can feel it in the stadium. We've been talking
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about that for years. You can feel it in the stadium.
You can feel it through the TV. You can see it.
You're like, there it is, here we go. We have it.
They have it, and how do we change that the
truth is that some of these guys, as long as
they're gonna wear green, white, black, gray, whatever it is
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we're putting out there that day, the Jets helmet, as
long as they're wearing it, they're gonna be quitters. They
just don't know how to be a winner here anymore.
They're tainted, they're polluted. It's over. And that might be
some of our greats, like a quinnin Williams, maybe a
Sauce Gardener. Maybe some of the guys that are a
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little bit mid you know, more mid tier. Maybe the
Jamien Sherwood's, the Quincy Williams of the world. Maybe maybe
Jermaine john I don't know what's up with Jamaine Johnson.
We'll have to figure that one out. And that's probably
a different scenario. But do you understand it's like maybe
they maybe, like look for example, just as an example,
maybe Quinn Williams, who is a very very good player.
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He's top three, top five defensive tackle in the NFL
every single year, gotten an All Pro, nod all, that's
been to the Pro Bowl, everything else. If he's a Jet,
he might only we might see I've seen his ceiling.
But if he goes to the Rams, the Chargers let's
say the Niners, maybe the Ravens or whoever. So a
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team that doesn't have the the thick muck of loser
itis just all over you. Maybe he goes somewhere and
that feeling that quit that oh no, here it goes.
The bottom's falling out again. Maybe if he goes somewhere else,
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he doesn't do that anywhere. But as long as he's here,
And I don't know if that's Quinn per se, I'm
just using him as a potential example. Maybe that's what
it is. Maybe he will never succeed here, and maybe
I mean, look, maybe Aaron Glen can figure it out.
But there's a lot more work to do here than
the simple process of, oh well, bring in a new system,
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bringing a new coordinator, a couple new players. We got
a new quarterback, we got a new gray battleship Jersey Yeah. Us.
It's more than that. It's a mindset of quit of
and the reason for it. It's not gonna work. This
happens every time here we go again. I've already seen
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this story. I read this book. I know the ending.
That kind of a thing, and it might even be subconscious.
But as long as they're here, it might not be
able to be taken care of, to be rooted out,
And that's the kind of thing you have to figure that.
That's what this year really is, maybe even more so
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then Aaron Glenn thought it would be. You know, look,
of course you're coming here. You had a team that
won five games. You're getting rid of Aaron Rodgers and
Devonte Adams and CJ. Mosley and Solomon Thomas and all
the other guys that were leaders on this team, and
you're starting fresh. You're bringing in a new offensive system,
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first time coordinator on the offense. Couple that with a
quarterback who's never played here before. And even though he's
going into his fifth year and he played well last year,
considering he's had an up and down season or a
career at best, this is a guy who's playing for
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his career. Am I? Am I just a professional backup?
Or am I a starter? In this league? And nobody's
story's necessarily written long term. You look at Gino Smith,
he was in the league nine years before he figured
it out, so you never know. But as far as
right now, this is justin Field's team, he has a
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shot right here. You put him back with Garrett Wilson
and Jeremy Rutgerd and Myers got some familiarity, a young
offensive coordinator, you got a new young tight end, you
got a great running back group. The whole thing. This
is it, buddy, this is your chance to say I'm
a starter in the NFL. And you know this is it.
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But you might be finding out that he can't do it.
And that's what it is. Is justin fields. He's a
bridge quarterback unless you luckily catch lightning in a bottle.
And we know this. I mean, I think a lot
of Jets fans, you know, in our yearly excitement thing
that we do. Of course, by the time the season
opens up, we get all excited. We want to believe again. Great,
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that's great, but I think we believed a little bit
too much really, truth be told, This is kind of
where I was. It's like, look, it's a smart move.
If you're gonna get rid of Aaron Rodgers. There's no
real you don't want to trade up, you know, to
trade the future, to trade up for cam Ward or somebody,
so you get the best possible option. He's a vet
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quarterback still, young, strong arm, great legs, nice, but you
know what I mean, like, you put him in there,
you take a shot, but by and large, more than
likely it's gonna be what you see, which is a
bridge quarterback getting you to the next draft where there's
a lot more. You know, theoretically, there seems to be
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a lot more potential quarterbacks coming in to the league
that you can get your pick of. So you do that.
It's an evaluation year for him, It's an evaluation year
for a lot of guys. But man, I think it's
even bigger than that. It's a bigger job than that.
So Aaron Glenn's finding that out. And I think when
you remove the emotions of it, all you gotta get,
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you gotta just push it all back and say, look, man,
doesn't look like we're gonna be able to make the
playoffs this year. No zero to five team has ever
done it. As a matter of fact, I mentioned it earlier.
This is historic. You've heard it by now. I know
you have. If you haven't, I'll tell you we're the
first zero to five team in NFL history, or the
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first team in five weeks to not be able to dude,
we haven't gotten one single takeaway, we haven't fallen on
a fumble, we haven't gotten in an interception that includes
special teams whatever. We have not had a single turnover.
We are negative eight. I think it is it might
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be nine. We are at least negative eight in the
turnover differential. Negative eight means we've given the ball away
eight times and we haven't gotten it once. History, dude,
we find ways to break records that we don't even
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know could be broken. Aaron glenn is now now he's
the first coach in Jet's history to go I want
to start his career. Roh went five, dude. It's just
not crazy to you think of how big it's like.
It's like that stat that I bring up all the
time that as bad as we've been, we are perpetually
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with the group of teams that are the top five
in the draft. And sometimes we might be seventh or whatever, eleven, ten,
you know, but we're we're in the early part of
the draft. We're part of the teams that suck, and
we're part of the We're always in the group. Whether
the Browns are there, the Jags are there, you know,
the Cardinals might be there. The Panthers have been there,
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the Bears, they're always up there. We're always up there
with them. But we have not found a way to
have that number one overall pick, which you can use
to get the quarterback the top gem of the draft,
or is a beautiful trade piece. There's always somebody wanting
to trade up to the number one pick, and if
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it's a quarterback rich draft with a guy like you know,
look that year when it was Trevor Lawrence, right, I
mean shit, the team behind us at three, they got
three first and a third just to get up to three,
and that was to pick the third quarterback. The year
we traded up for Sam, we went from six to three,
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three picks, three slots, and we gave three second round picks. Right.
So we have not figured out a way to have
the first overall pick since nineteen ninety seven. Man, that's
almost thirty years, and we've sucked pretty much. Can we
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just say the lion's share of that time, the most
of it. The same thing, all the Jets teams, all
the bad teams we've had, all the shit we've endured.
We've never seen a coach go zero to five. Here
he is Aaron Glenn. The crazy thing about it, when
I look at guys like co Tighte, like Adam Gasee.
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There's no there's you know all the I just never
would have thought, you know, Aaron Glenn, who Again, we
can go back and talk about our who we wanted
and who we didn't want and all this kind of stuff. Look,
I love Aaron Glenn. I'm rooting for Erin Glenn. I
support Eron Glenn. But the truth is I didn't want
Aaron Glenn for one reason. It's the same cycle that
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we've been doing for the entire time, which is, go
out and hire a rookie head coach from the defensive
side of the ball, couple him with a rookie general manager,
let him bring in a rookie offensive coordinator. The only
thing that we did different was we didn't immediately attach
him to a rookie quarterback. It's like, you know, how
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many times are we gonna do this? How many? I'm
surprised that Jets didn't trade up for cam cam Warden
and just get the whole thing. Rookies all over the place,
and then we wonder, why are they making these mistakes?
Why haven't they figured it out? Well, I don't know,
maybe because they never did this before. So anyway, I'm
just surprised. You think about all the pain of our
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history and we've never been here before. It's crazy. And
to think, no, oh to five team has ever not
had a single turnover before. Really us, I'm telling you,
I think we should go ohen seventeen. I really do.
I think it's time. We gotta get this. We get
this off our shoulder, this bugaboo, this little this lingering
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stat We've never had a season where we didn't win
a single game. Let's get it done. Let's get it
going and do it already. This way, we know we'll
get the number one pick. The Titans win, I don't
even know. I gotta look. I know that the Saints
beat the Giants, so there's one less. We just stay
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the course. But you know what we'll do. And this
is like with Adam Gase is last year when we
went to and fifteen, we were I mean we were
on in five. That has to be he started his career.
Oh the first year, that's what it was. But anyway,
we were we had no wins, like all the way
through the season, we were fighting for Trevor Lawrence and
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then what happened. We played the Rams and we win
a game. Stupid Braden Man makes the tackle and the
whole thing. And then what did the Jags do? They
all of a sudden, we flipped. We were fighting with
the Jags. We were number one, they were number two.
The second that happened, they benched Minshew, they benched all
their players that that could help them win. They said, nope,
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we're gonna play everybody else. They knew how to tank,
and they got themselves the quarterback that they wanted. Now,
people can argue one way or the other, he's not
what he was supposed to be, blah blah blah. Trevor
Lawrence is better than every quarterback we've had here. Maybe
not Aaron Rodgers, of course, but when the way he
played here for sure, So who knows? But AnyWho, you
know what I'm saying. I don't want to get into
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all that. But anyway, if we do go oh to seven,
what should we do? We're halfway through the season and
we haven't won or we won one game, playoffs are
clearly out, and you know you're just not gonna have
a good record at all. What do you do? Do you,
fire Sale? Let's take a look at it in the
intelligent gripe. All right, so we talk about this we
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look at it objectively. I'm not whining, I'm not complaining.
I'm not jumping off a bridge or a cliff or
anything like that. We're just taking a look. Say, look,
we are five games in in this thing, and we
don't have a victory. We don't even have a takeaway,
no turnovers in our favor yet, got lots of penalties, which,
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by the way, the Jets missed a face mask. The
rest missed a big face mask on Isaiah Davis today.
Just to stack on top of things. But let's take
a look at our roster and see who do you
want to get rid of and realistically, realistically, what kind
of value would you get? And maybe some guys that
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are cuspy. You know, what kind of value would you
have to see being presented to you to consider it.
Let's take a look at this. So first we got
our offense. Okay, let's take a look at our offense.
You got justin fields at quarterback. Now, let me ask
you this. You got teams all over the league. I
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mean shit, the forty nine ers are playing Mac Jones
with Adrian Martinez. You know, the Tony Alexio Adrian Martinez
package is over there in San Francisco. Maybe they'd be
interested in Justin Fields. I mean, if there is a
coach that could maximize the talents of one Justin Fields,
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it's definitely Kyle Shanahan. He's on that list. Maybe a McVeigh,
you know, I don't know, but Shanahan's way up top
might be at the top up. Do you do? You
do you trade Justin Fields go with Tyrod Taylor and
Brady Cook for the rest of the year. I mean,
what do you you know? I don't know. What do
you think? And if you do, what could you get
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for him? I don't know. I'd be open to it
if I'm only eight and the trade deadline's approaching and
the Niners say, hey, look, we're willing to give you
a fifth round pick for Justin Field, maybe even a
fourth let's say fifth. We'll give you a fifth round
pick in this year's draft for Justin Fields. Now, if
you don't know this, the Jets currently we have I
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think six picks. We're looking at a couple potential uh comppicks,
so three compicks are coming. So maybe we got anywhere
between five and eight picks you know, in the in
the draft this year, A lot of them way late
couple late sevenths and that kind of thing at the
end of the draft, right before mister irrelevant kind of thing. Uh,
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maybe a fifth, we have no third? Maybe a fifth
is you know, is would you do it? Would you
do it? You know? Justin Fields isn't your guy to
take you there? Is he worth it? I'll be honest
with you, I would say no. I would keep Justin
Fields even next year as my backup, and if he
needed to start before I throw my rookie next year.
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Is rookie into the fire? Maybe I let Justin Field
start a couple of weeks. If the kid doesn't look ready,
that kind of a thing. I think his value is
here much more than a fifth. Now. If they offered
me a third, I'd probably do it. I I'll figure
out the rest. I'll go into the rest of the
season with Tyrod Taylor, Brady Cook. If I need to
go to the scrap heep and find a quarterback, I
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can do that too. The season's already toasted. It doesn't matter.
Justin Fields maybe third round pick gets it done. Anything
else I'm saying the value is not not good enough
for me. A Breeze Hall, he's a name that we
hear all the time. Braylen Allen is now hurt. You know,
he's on ir or they they said it's gonna be
what they say eight weeks. He's gone for a long time.
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So we're without Brailn Allen. That leaves us a little
thinner than we were when we were talking about brese
Hall trades and all that stuff. But the kid is
playing again. In this game, he had one hundred and
thirteen yards on the ground eight point one yard average,
and another forty two yards in the air. He had
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that big, costly fumble, but it's par for the course.
Breese has been playing pretty much like that the whole season.
Buffalo didn't look so great, but who did so Bres' Hall?
What does it take to get it done? Now? If
you know you're not gonna keep him next year, there's
just no way you're not gonna pay Breess Hall. You're
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not gonna keep them, then maybe you consider getting what
you can get for him. Now, what would it be?
What are teams gonna offer for a running back like
that they know they're gonna have to pay him. I
don't know. I can't see. I think realistically you would
see if there's offers, if there's a trading partner, you're
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gonna be looking at fourth round picks for Breethe Hall
Breese Hall. I realistically, I don't see higher than a
third for Briesaw. It sucks because I think he's a
premier back and if he was on a team with
a viable, like true passing game, I think he's he's
blowing up the league. I think he's among the better,
you know, the the top rushers in the NFL, and
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I think that other teams would be able to utilize
him a little bit better than we are. So but
here's here's here's what I think. I think you gotta listen.
If somebody comes and offers me a second round pick,
I'm probably taking it. But I'm gonna say this. If
I'm the Jets, I am probably gonna try to keep
Breesehall next year, and I'll tell you I might even
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franchise him for that one year. He's a baller and
he's a guy that you want to keep around. I
know you can get running backs. I know I get it,
but I'm gonna try now again, if there's a third
or second on the table, I have to consider it
worthin Isaiah Davis would then be catapulted into the starting
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running back role with Khalil Herbert, and you have in
Wongo floating around back there. But he's out, he's injured,
So what do you know what I mean? But again,
the seasons of the seasons of wash, you're fire sailing,
So what do you do again? I'm thinking I'm already
starting to talk to Breest Hall's agent about next year,
see what I can get done, maybe a shorter extension,
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trying to see what I can do, and I might
even do it now, Guarantee him some money, that kind
of thing. If I'm getting a second offered, which is unrealistic,
I'm taking it. If there's a third, I'm fifty to fifty.
If it's a four to third or lower, I'm probably
just gonna ride it out. So that's where I am.
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I'd love to hear your thoughts on this too. Give
me your thoughts in the comments about all of these.
Let's see where we are. Garrett Wilson, this is a
big one. Garrett Wilson has been catapulted into my favorite
jet status. It's crazy because I don't know the jersey
of his my son does, but I don't. And it's
a crazy thing because I'd love to buy his jersey
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and proudly walk around with it. But I'm not giving
the Jets any more money. I know I could go
to Dhgate and do that whole thing, but I still
it's the thing. I'm not doing it. But Garrett Wilson,
if he's on again, let's use him as an example
the Niners, if he's on the Chargers, if he's on
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Seattle with Sammy Boy, who crazy looked great through four
touchdowns and threw that costly pick at the end to
give them the series to kick the field goal and
win it. Crazy stuff. But Sam's looking good in Seattle.
I think he'd be great. How about up there in
Minnesota alongside Justin Jefferson. Imagine Justin Jefferson and Garrett Wilson together.
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It's not to be unfair. Maybe put him in Pittsburgh
with it. Anyway, I'm not trading Garrett Wilson. I know
there's a growing sentiment we should trade Garrett Wilson just
because it's the right thing to do for the kid.
I get that too. I'm keeping Garrett Wilson at all costs.
You'd have to offer me to first at minimum to
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get me to even start listening. If you're saying, hey,
I'll give you a first and a third, Nope, I'm
not even listening. I'll hear the call, of course. But
Garrett Wilson's staying to firsts Josh Reynolds, he's gone. You're
not getting anything for him. You take anything. If somebody
offers you a sixth a seventh, you take it for
Josh Reynolds. Arion Smith, you're not gonna get an offer,
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but you don't take one anyway. Mason Taylor's you know
you're not going to take an offer for him either.
Andrew Beck, you're not going to get an offer for
I would take anything for him. You got that touchdown
today or was it a two point? I think it
was a touchdown? Good for him? John Simpson, Uh, you know,
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I don't know. Somebody wants to trade me for Josh Simpson.
I'm taking it. What are you gonna get? Although I
do want to keep the line together. I think the
more they play together, the better you want to try
to do that a tipman, I'm not taking anything for
Josh Myers. You can't this year, but I would. I
mean thinking about you if somebody wants to give you,
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like a fifth or sixth for Josh Myers, it's not happening.
But if they do, you know, you take it. You
move Tipman over to center, and you throw in somebody
at guard. I mean, could it be any worse? I
don't know. I don't know. I'm not trading Tipman, I'm
not trading Membo. I'm not really trading any of the
offensive line. I don't think if they come in on
the back end. I mean, look, you know you we
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got the backups to Tyrod Taylor, Isaiah Davis, Almazard. Somebody
wants to offer me something for Almazart, I'm taking it.
You want to offer me something for Tyler Johnson, I'm
taking it. I don't care what it is. You want
to give me a seventh for Tyler Johnson, taking it,
I bump up Brandon Smith, which, by the way, I
don't know why they're not doing that anyway, I don't
get it. But so that's the offense. So basically he
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got Justin Fields, brees Hall, Garre Wilson. That's basically it.
And again, any of the other guys just low levels
six seven. Yeah, I'm taking anything for anybody I can now.
The defense is interesting. The defense is interesting because you
got guys that are players, but are they the players
for Aaron Glenn's team. That's that's what we got to
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ask ourselves. Will McDonald first round pick, premier level potential
pass rusher, comes up real hot sometimes and has really
kind of fizzled for the most part. Had that amazing
block field goal. Yes, he's got pressures, but he has
the first twos. You know, the first game he had
the two sacks, looks great, and he's not really able
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to take over the game like you want somebody to,
especially when a guy like Jermaine Johnson is hurt. You
need your big you know, your big names to step up,
and he's not really able to do that up at
you know, until this point. So what do you If
somebody says, hey, we'll give you a first round pick
for Will McDonald, do you take it? Somebody says a
second round pick, let's say they're off of you, a
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second and a seventh round pick for Will McDonald. It's
on our defense. We got some real studs that we're
in need of a of a big time pass rusher,
a specialist, and we'd love to give you a second
and a seventh, a second this year and a seventh
the following year. Do you take it? Then you got
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Braden McGregor and Tyler Barron stepping in the rest of
the year. Do you do you take it? Do you
consider it? Will McDonald I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna
say no. You gotta have some pieces, uh, for the
for the team. Harrison Phillips, we just traded for him.
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You got him for next year as well. I'm keeping
him unless you're gonna make money on the deal. Like
you gave away a sixth and so you got Harrison
Phillips and a seventh, and you gave away a sixth.
So if somebody comes in and says, hey, man, we'll
give you a fifth so you can make money on
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the deal, maybe maybe you consider it or you think
Harrison Phillips is you know, a key piece to the
line that you want to build. Okay, fine, but this
is chump change land Jawan Briggs. I'm not trading Jawan Briggs.
He's you know, he's a young guy, super cheap. You know,
what are you gonna get to Felli, you want to
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offer me anything, I'm taking it on for two Felly LT. Three.
He's an interesting one. But you know it was out today.
I don't know what happened there, Jermaine Johnson. Nobody's gonna
offer anything because he's been hurt. He's played two games
in the last what is it, nineteen So I don't
know what you know, you just as nothing and I
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don't want to trade a guy like JJ. But man,
this is tough. You gotta see if this guy can
come back. He's got to like rebuild his name, his
career is because he's got nothing cooking again. Went out
game two in twenty twenty five or twenty four, lost
for the season, played two games or a game and
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a half this year, and he's been out since. He's
been out three straight games, So I mean, what is it.
Nobody's gonna offer anything now. I'm gonna tell you this.
If they came in and offered two bags of potato
chips for Michael Clemens, I'm giving it. Michael Clemens. I mean,
he's surprised. As bad as we knew he was playing.
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I am truly surprised by how bad he is. When
you focus, you just key on Michael Clemens, you'll see it.
He is a complete train wreck. I've never seen anything
like it this bad. You never see.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
It this bad because there's I haven't seen a player,
especially like particularly on the on the edge, play this
bad because he's playing so many snaps.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
He's playing so many snaps, we get so much time
to look at him, so many examples that I haven't
seen a player play that bad for this long consistently.
It was like watching Zach Wilson. You like, you never
see a quarterback play this bad for this long because
they get bent. We didn't have anybody. Remember Robert Sala
came out that time. He said, Zach gives us the
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best chance to win, and everybody said, oh, Sala is
an idiot. I'm like, I'm not hearing that. I'm here
and I ain't got shit behind them. That's what I'm
That's what I'm hearing. There's nobody else here, which is
becoming a problem quite frankly so. Jermaine Johnson, Michael Clemens. Again,
I'll take anything for any of these guys, right, Somebody
wants to come and offer you something for Braden McGregor,
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you take it right, any of those guys. How about
Sherwood got paid this year? I think think what we're
seeing with Jamie and Sherwood because he was the surest
tackler on the team the last two years. I think
what you're seeing is twofold one. It's a brand new defense, right,
he's got to learn. Sola's defense was very, very different
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than this one. And I think the second part to
that is you add to that that he's for the
first time the centerpiece. He's the he's the captain so
to speak, of the defense, and he may he might
not be that guy. So either way, even if he
is that guy doing all that, you know, just shifting
into all that, this year seems like he's taking it's
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taking a little bit longer for him to come around
and kind of digest all that. Then maybe we'd like So,
but if somebody comes in and offers you something for Surewood,
do you take it? I do depends on what it is.
I mean, you don't want to give him away per se.
But like guys like Keiko Muwanga, I mean, look, it's new,
he's new, he's young, it's it's you know, it's early.
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But I don't really see I don't see the thunder.
I don't see even with like Sherwood when he was young.
He would come in for two or three plays and
spot duty for CJ. And you saw the impact. Like
you saw it, you saw that he was a player.
I'm not really feeling that with Kiko yet. So again,
it's it's it's it's early in his career. I'm not
labeling him anything, but I don't I'm not really feeling
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I'm not excited about him like I was for Sherwood
or early on. Not his first year because he had
the Achilles, but the second, third year. Really I was
excited about Sherwood. But I don't know. If somebody comes
in and offers you a mid round pick fourth for Sherwood,
you know, you get the money off the books, you
kind of get to play, you know, to push reset
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on your middle linebacker, i'd consider it. And I like Sherwood.
I'm not excited about his play this year thus far,
but I do. I like Sherwood. He's not that animal
middle linebacker that I genuinely and typically like. But uh,
you know, well I would be I'd be open to it.
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Cam Jones, whatever you want somebody wants. Yeah, sure, you
know what I mean, But it's not happening now. Quincy
he's on IR for the rest of the year, so
it is what it is. I don't know how long
he's on IR, but I'm gonna tell you some Quincy
Williams to me, I like Quincy and when he's playing well,
he's really good. He's way too inconsistent for me, and
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that to me means that I don't I don't really
need him. I would let him go this year anyway,
so if I could get something for him, like if
he comes back and he plays a couple of games,
when somebody wants to give you something, I'm taking it.
And that might piss off a guy that I skipped
on the defensive line, not on purpose, just because it happened.
And we'll get to him now, which is Quinn Williams.
It might piss Quinn off. I mean, look, they've been
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playing together for a number of years now. They probably
want to keep that going. And maybe if we trade
his brother mid season, he might take that wrong. Who knows.
But either way, the Quinn Williams thing is is a
big one. Quinn Williams is a stud. Okay, Quinn william
Tiams is routinely among the top defensive tackles in the league.
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He draws a lot of double teams. You know, he's
he's a very good player, but he's never gonna be
Aaron Donald. It's just he's not on that tier. People
like to think that he could be. I was hopeful
that he would be, and for a minute there it
almost looked like he had that potential. I don't say,
I don't think it's ever gonna come around the mountain
to that level. But he's damn good. Is Quinn important
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enough to the team that if somebody offers you a
first round pick for him, which they should should be
a first and I know what people say, you know,
maybe look if it's a second and some change, do
you consider it. I'm gonna tell you, Quinn, up until
Garrett Wilson just pushed him off the Pedestal has been
my favorite jet for the last couple of years. I
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love Quinn Williams. I love the person, I love the player.
I just love Quinn. I would definitely consider getting something
for Quinn Williams. Definitely. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
offload them for cheap. I'm not looking to get rid
of them necessarily. I'm happy to have them delighted but
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if somebody's offering me a first round pick, it would
you know one of the teams that are gonna go
deep into the playoffs that they know their pick is
gonna be in the twenty late twenties, early thirties, you
know that kind of a team. I would take it.
And if it's a second round pick, you gotta give
me a second and some change second and a fourth
something like that. I might, I'm telling you, I might consider.
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I would think real hard about it, because I'm looking
to build this team. I'm looking to reshape this team
and shed some of the some of the the old
thinking and just kind of freshen it up. I need
picks to do that. I need picks, and I need money.
If I can get a first round pick or a second,
then a third or second then a fourth for Quinn
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Williams and offload them money, so that gives me money,
and it gives me the picks, I'm gonna consider. It
breaks my heart really does. Now, all the other guys
on the defensive backfield, you're not gonna get anything for
any of them except for two guys. Michael Carter. The
second he's he's hurt again. So I don't know, but
a team might be interested in him if he comes
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back and he plays healthy. He was among the best
nickel corners in the entire NFL before his injury. He
there was a reason that he got paid. And let
me tell you something, I was a big supporter of
him getting paid. Has not been the same since that happened.
You know, could be the injury, could be the I
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don't know, it could be lots of things. Doesn't look
like the same player. Maybe a change of sceneries what
he needs. Look at Brandon Echols for the Steelers, look
at DJ Reid over and they look they're they're thriving
right for the Lions, maybe just maybe, what do you
get from Michael Carter? What do you get what you take?
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Can you get a fifth round pick for Michael Carter?
Can you get a sixth I think it would probably
be in that sixth round range, maybe even pickswap. You
get a sixth, you give a seventh, that kind of
a thing. You get a fifth, you give a sixth,
something like that. I gotta see what we have. I mean,
how many fucking sixth round picks we possibly have. I
gotta look at that. But I would definitely be willing
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to move Michael Carter. Sauce Gardner is an interesting one
because he is one of the better cover court, best
cover corners in the NFL. The last couple of weeks,
he's been burned for a touchdown. He's getting called for
more penalties. I think teams still know who he is.
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I think teams would still be excited about him. If
somebody's calling, what did they have to give you? You're not
gonna just dump them for cheap. You're not looking to
get rid of a Sauce Gardener. But what would it take?
And would you be would Aaron Glenn, you think, be
willing to listen, would he be willing to offload Sauce Gardner.
I think he would. I think he would. And if
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you could get on a singular first round pick, remember
Sauce was the fourth overall pick. He's got two All
pros under his belt. He's got rookie defensive, rookie under
the year under his belt. Last year he was like,
what the top five corner in the NFL, and that
was a down year. This year, it's interesting. He plays
really well, but he gets burned for the touchdown he's
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tackling much better all that. I don't know. What do
you need to dump Sauce Gardner? He just got paid.
He's the highest paid cornerback in the NFL least average
per year. What does it take and what's somebody willing
to do? Are they willing to give you a first
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and change? Because a first, I mean he's already guaranteed
to be it. You know he may you know he's
a you know what you're getting with them. First is
always a rap shoot. A pick is always a crap shoot.
I don't know. I'm real curious. That's the one I
want you to answer most. What would it take for
you to trade Sauce Gardner realistically? Not like I hate him,
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get him out of here for any just dump the
money realistically. You got an asset here. He's one of
the best cornerbacks in the league. He's the highest paid
cornerback in the league. He's tackling really well. He's a
great cover cornerback, even if he is playing spotty right now.
Teams know what he is. What would it take from
your perspective and what do you think Aaron Glenn's opinion
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of him is at at the trade deadline? I'm real
curious you're trading Nick Folk. I'm not trading that punter.
You gotta give me a first round pick for that guy.
I'll tell you that that's for sure. Uh, the the
you know, the return men, what are they? But nobody knows.
Nobody knows that that is what it is. But there
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you go. So the big ones, you know, like Justin
Fields could have some value, Brees Saw, Garrett Wilson, they
have the value. I don't see any of the offensive
lineman going. But will McDonald, Quinnin Williams, maybe the linebackers,
Michael Carter and Sauce Gardner. That's really who you're looking at. Now.
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Would you can you see a world where you get
rid of all of them? You just get the picks,
you dump all the money. Could you imagine the Jets
getting like, let's just like realistically, you get a sixth
for Justin Fields, you get a fourth for Breecee Hall,
you get a you know, you know, first, and a
third for for Garrett Wilson. You get all you know,
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I don't know man, a first for Quinnin you know,
a sixth for Jamien Sherwood, a first for Sauce card.
Now Matt can you imagine a world we just say
screw it. You start stock piling. We're the worst team
in the league. You get the first overall pick, you
got three more and some seconds and thirds and all
that kind of shit. Then you trade back with the first,
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you get a couple more. You trade back to like
pick four, you get next year's first, another second. You
know what I mean? You could do this and you're
starting with one hundred and twenty million in cab space.
I don't know what do you think is the fires
saiale in order? I mean, nothing's installing right now. We
could go to London and shellact the Broncos and come
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back all excited and then beat the Panthers. I mean,
who knows, right, But let me know what you think
about this one. Who you willing to get rid of?
What's it gonna take. I'm gonna read the comments. I'm
gonna have this conversation with you. I'm genuinely curious. Let
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all said, guys, have a great Monday, have a great
rest of the week, don't let the Jets steal too
much of your joy, and as always, go Jets. Yeah.
Well, hello again, Jets fans. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, here we
are breaking records in the middle of and his historic
historic season. Welcome to the show. I am green Bean,
and you are now walking down through the entryway into
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episode one hundred and eighty five of green Beans Jets Pod.
Once again, that's me, Hello green Bean. I'm glad you're here.
I'm glad you look. I say this all the time,
and you know, look, I mean it all the time,
but uh, I gotta say it more than I'd like
because it's the only good thing we have. It's, uh,
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you know, I'm glad you're here because if if if
it wasn't for you guys, I'd be alone in this,
you know. And it's like, at least we have each other.
Like again, I always value that, even though some of
you guys are plumb crazy. I always value our uh
our fan connection. But it's even more apparent to me
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because man, there's not much else to hang your hat
on around here, is there. It gets more and more difficult,
I must say, more and more difficult every single year,
every week, you know, Like you know, look you if
you've been here before, you know me. I like to
talk history I like to take us down memory lane.
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I like to use past experiences to you know, a
highlight and or compare to what's going on now and
all that kind of stuff. I'm old, so I got
memory galore. I got I remember a lot of stuff.
You know. Yes, there are older Jets fans than I am,
but a lot of you guys. Man, you know, as
I tick you along here on this clock of life,
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you know, there's a lot of you guys that are
younger than me, which is crazy because the Jets just
have been so bad for so long that I'm really
surprised that there are any more of us like popping out,
you know. I mean, obviously you got the family connection.
You got Pop. You know, Dad's a Jets fans. So
when you were younger, you know, you kind of you
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see Dad getting all passionate about something, and just naturally
you want to be like dad or connect with your
father and all that. Maybe it's mom, you know, and
so you get Jets fans that way. But the best
way to get fans, and the way that fandoms become
big and national and all that, is because they do
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things that excite people and attract people to toward that team,
and the Jets haven't done that in quite a long time.
Obviously the last couple of years we had Aaron Rodgers
over here, so that you know that that probably can't
I don't know if it brought fans, but it brought
some energy. We had the BYU connection for a little
while with Zach Wilson. Right when we drafted Zack Wilson,
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we had all these BYU fans that came over and
they became Oh my god, boy, oh boy, did they
become annoying. You know how badly the Jets were ruining
their golden boy, you know, which, Hey, you know, maybe
it's true, maybe not. I didn't like Zack as a prospect,
so there's that. But uh, you know, hey, they got
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a point. They got a point. You know, they had
this good looking, young, all the hope in the world
kid coming into the NFL, strong arm, good legs, the
whole thing. And he just comes here and we're like
through the meat grinder. That's what we do. You know,
who knows him? Us chicken egg six and one and
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a half a dozen the other I don't know. But
other than that, I mean, so we get little drips
and drabs of fans like that, but the younger fans,
I don't know. We had a fan on our live
stream today as you guys know, or this week for
the game against the Cowboys. You know, we we do
our live reaction and watch party with the great Frankie
from Flatbush and Jets Chaos, the you know, and myself.
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We do it every week for years now. There was
a fan on the on the chat in the chat
on the stream for this game. He said, you know,
I've been a fan since twenty ten and I just
can't take it anymore. I'm out. And you think about
a guy like that who number one. I feel for you, buddy, truly,
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you know I do. He came on board right at
the end of the Rex Ryan massive, you know, influx
of just crazy positive energy here. The whole thing about
twenty nine and ten was just amazing. But to get
sucked in then twenty ten, the back end of a
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very short window right two AFC Championship games. You know,
you see those guys, you know you're getting real crazy,
you know, playing well and becoming this team, and remember
we were flying around and doing all this stuff to
come in then get sucked in by that Rex Ryan
energy there he is this guy right there, the Rex
Ryan energy. And then to just watch this for the
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last fifteen years, you know what I mean, Like that's
even worse. At least I had like the Sack exchange
and Kenny O'Brien now tooning Wesley Walker. Then we had
the Parcels years, you know, and then you look the
Herm Mangenie years. They were they were good. You know,
we didn't get to the super Bowl or anything, but
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we made the playoffs, you know, ten win seasons. Herm
won the division. We beat the living hell out of.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Was it the pack of the Bolts, I think it
was in the playoffs, like you know, a young Chad
Pennington versus a young Peyton Manning and we goose egged them,
shut them out right. It was crazy. So we had
some good years there, but man, to come on board
in twenty ten, just a crazy, crazy experience, you know
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what I'm saying. Man. So we had another loss this week,
and I think, you know, I've been maintaining throughout this
first quarter of the season that uh, maybe it's not
as bad as it looks. You know, like obviously the
Buffalo game, there's no sugar for that one. We got
beat up from the second it started to the second
and then it almost looked like the Jets showed up
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to that game like all right, we're going okay, we
just can't wait to go home. I can't wait till
this one is over. That's what it looked like. They
showed up that way. It was very little on both
sides of the ball or all three facets of the game.
It just looked very, very hopeless. But the you know, look,
Week one, we should have won it, in my opinion,
could have won it, and it was a very exciting game,
a lot of hope. Week two, Buffalo, like I said,
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no good. Week three, you got the the Buccaneers and
you know, backup quarterback justin Fields in the concussion protocol.
We had a very exciting fourth quarter three touchdowns, including
the wom McDonald fuel goal block. We're all returned all
the way for a touchdown, he blocks it, picks it up,
runs it back for a touchdown. Very very exciting. Couldn't
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hold on and we lose it. And that one you
look at like a backup quarterback pick six. That's really
the difference in the game. The whole thing. You got
Miami it was ugly, but again, you know, we're a
fumbled kick away from victory there too. You know, obviously
there's lots of variables, but I'm just breaking it down
to brass tacks here. So it's like, look, it's ugly.
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There's a lot a lot to you know, to gripe about,
but you could also look at things through the positive lens.
You know, We're like, for years, the Jets were known
for not being able to put up any points. It
would be field goals, you know, we get one touchdown
a game. If that, the defense would be holding teams
to like, you know, nine points, no touchdowns, and we
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still lose that kind of stuff. And we're putting up
twenty five thirty two points all twenty seven and it's like, okay,
well maybe there's something to build on here. And this
week against Dallas, we do the same thing that we
did the week before. We come out with this really
great opening drive and we we get to the one
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yard line essentially, and we can't punch it in. And
then we get another great drive and Briests Hall's running
like an animal. He had eight point one yards to carry.
Great day for Briswall. Really, he had a bunch more
in the in the uh you know, through the air.
What did he have? He had another forty two yards
in the air, So Britz saw he had one hundred
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and thirteen yards on the ground forty two yards and
the he had a great game. But what what is
the biggest thing is that he mumbles as we're driving.
It's in the red zone again, just like the week
before with Braylen Allen fumbling on the three yard line
as he's going in for a touchdown. We look at
this stuff and that's positive, right. Obviously, the fumble and
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the sloppy you gotta fix that stuff, and it's aggravating,
but at least you could say, Okay, we clean that
up and we got something here. It really wasn't, dude.
Dallas was playing with lots of injuries on their own line.
We couldn't do anything. Their defense is like the worst
in the league, and we couldn't do anything. You know,
their pass rush is looking like you know, like Michael
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Parsons was still there. Crazy. So anyway, it just was
one of those days where you start to kind of
scratch your head and go, man, what's what's going on here?
You know, what, what do we got and I know
Jets fans were frustrated, and people who like to be positive,
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like myself, I try, I do my damnedest man to
try to be positive. Sometimes you just got nothing, You
got nothing in the tank, you could say, Mason Taylor.
Nice to see him get involved. And yes, some of
his catches were later in that garbage time period where
we're getting some points and making it look like it
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almost could might potentially would have could have been a game,
but it's not. But he was doing stuff in the
early going as well, when the game was most certainly
still a game. So it's looks good. This is good
for the young buck, you know, because I believe he's
a damn good tight end. I think he's gonna be
everything that we want him to be. Second round pick
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in the draft this year. I love a slam dunk,
you know. But as you look at this stuff, it's
harder and harder to find positives. And Aaron Glenn, you
can see his demeanor on the sideline. He's doing the
thing we saw so many people do here. There's lots
of gifts out there. Todd Bowles is doing it, Robert
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Sala is doing it. Aaron Rodgers that thing. We're just like,
they got nothing. I got no answers. I can't make
these guys tackle. I can't make them catch the ball.
I can't stop him from dropping. I just they fumble.
I can't make them get a turnover. I'm not out there.
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You know. I'm teaching them everything I know to teach them.
I'm doing all the drills. I'm doing the accountability and
blah blah blah blah, I'm doing it all. I'm at
a loss. Four guys had a shot to tackle that guy.
It's just to run up the middle. Why did he
run for sixty six yards with twelve seconds left in
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the half. Why can't we stop them? He just I
don't know. I don't know what to do. So that's
what we got this week, and that's what we have
to look at. So we're gonna look at the game
a little bit, talk about these players. Where are we
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with this Aaron Glenn character? Does he have a shot?
Is he just a waste of time? And then in
the intelligent ripe this week we'll get into what could
it look like the oh and five Jets if they
get to Owen, you know, what will it be? It's
like week eight, week nine, something like that where the
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trade deadline is up. If we're all in eight, are
we talking firesale? And even if we're one in seven
or something along those lines, are we talking firesale? And
if we are talking firesale, what does it look like?
Who does Aaron Glenn really believe could be a part
of the future, and who does he think? You know what, man,
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this guy he's got talent, he's a player. He's not
a player for me. He's not gonna help us. I'm
not doing this. And then if the decision is made
to go that way, what value do players have? Let's
take a look at that today. Let's take a little
look at what value they could have. I don't want
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you a question. If I told you, hey, look at
the end of the day, justin Fields was gonna go
thirty two for forty six. You're gonna drop back forty
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six times, it's gonna connect on thirty two of them
for two hundred and eighty three yards and two touchdowns,
zero picks. What would you think, You go out all right,
good day. But we're doing the thing that we are
been doing all year, which is to accumulate a lot
of yards and even points for that matter, make the
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game interesting in that fourth quarter. It's been happening all year,
not Game one. Game one was very much a back
and forth kind of a battle, with the Xavier Gibson
fumbled kick return being the difference because they Dave scored
a touchdown, we kicked it off or sorry, they kicked
it off, fumbled right in our own territory, twenty five
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yard line, whatever it was, and they just real quick
scored again. It was like that momentum, so fourteen points
in like ten seconds almost, and that flipped the whole
game around, because the rest of the game has went
more back and forth. Just that it needed a sixty
yard field goal. The whole thing. That game's different these
last bunch of games very much. The same type of
a story. And you saw that again this week against
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the Dallas Cowboys, which was the game was it was
poopy cat Me just say it. I know I hate
to use profanity, but it was poopy pooopy everybody and
justin fields. Look, I can definitely put some on the
coaching and the offensive line, which I thought played well
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for a lot of the games, definitely broke down. It
just became very porous, very sieve, like he holds the
ball far too long. He's got to make a decision.
He's very indecisive. But on top of that, the line
wasn't helping him, especially that second half. I thought they
did a pretty poor job of protecting him in the
second half. And then you got the other side of it,
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which is we're struggling to get open. Not Garrett Wilson.
He looks like he's opened more times than not, which
if you had a quarterback that could take advantage of that,
was really confident to just laser it in there. If look,
you know, in the NFL, if they have a step
that's open, how do you call that NFL open? You
know what I mean, He's got a step on him.
Zip it in there. There was the one play Garrett
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Wilson down the sideline in the first half. Look, he
had two steps justin field, just had to drop it
in there. He threw it about two yards two three
yards too far. Garrett Wilson couldn't get there. But that
was a walk in touchdown. Everybody that was a walk
in touchdown got the brief saw fumble. So there's a
lot of shooting ourselves in the foot. Bris Hall very
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famously now said it last week. When the other team
shoots themselves in the foot, we come back and shoot
ourselves in the face. Now, it just so happened that
he was a part of that this week with the
big fumble. But it really is accurate no matter what
we do, whatever positivity we have, because we can move
the ball at times. And in the second half, the
defense came out looked like they stiffened up a bit,
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forced him to punt a couple of times, and then
the offense we just can't get it going when that
defense is on. We can't get everything to kind of
be symmetrical and work together. We just can't do it.
And it's tough. You know. Whenever this side's okay, we're
doing well, the other sides doing to shoot themselves in
the face thing, and then they stiffing up and now
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this side, oh sorry, we're not well. But overall, I'm
gonna tell you what it is. And Aaron Glenn's sad
said it in his presser today. I've been saying it
for weeks, I've been saying it for years. I'm gonna
say it again. The Jets are quitters. They don't I
don't think they know their quitters. And like you, we
have this other weird kind of paradigm going on where
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they're fighting until the end. That's how we're getting these
fourth quarter comeback ye kind of situations. The extra yards,
the extra touchdowns make it in the game. I mean, look,
three games in a row, at least two I think
it's three. We did on side kicks and what does
that tell you? That tells you we're on our way back.
It's the end of the game. We're running out of time.
We got to get that ball back. But if we do,
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this is a game, you know what I mean. So
we got that going on. So it's like they are
fighting til the and but they're also quitting way too early.
It's like they kind of recapture the gumption and they
start to do it's it's bizarre, quite frankly. But here's
the thing, man, the overarching issue, the biggest issue in
Aaron Glenn, the way he said it, I'll paraphrase, but
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he said, when something happens negatively, there's a thought process
of oh no, what we have to get to is okay,
it's a challenge. Okay, this happened. How do we get
you know, coming right back, like we got to play hard,
stiffen up, you know, come respond to it. And what
we've been doing is something happens and it's like we
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feel it as a collective, Well there it goes. The
bottom's falling out again, and everybody just kind of wears
that heavy weight on them as if okay, well it's over,
and it's not over yet. It just you can see
it change in them, whether it's the defense and they
just stop tackling, they just stop not playing hard, or
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the offense to just not running their routes, the offensive
line stops blocking, the quarterbacks just looks fucking lost. Whatever
it might be. It happens all over the place. But
Aaron Glenn pointed to it, and he look, he put
it on himself. He said, I have to figure out
how to get these guys past that. And it's a
great thing. Like most of these pressers are. They're they're annoying,
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these postgame pressers, they're aggravating, they're annoying you kind of
just you know, you're like, all right, they're saying the
same stupid stuff over and over and over again. But
I liked what he said today. And it's not that
I like it. It's not that I believe, oh, there
it is he said exactly the thing that's gonna fix.
But I like that he's accurately depicting the actual issue.
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It's not a fumble in a vacuum. It's not quarterback
play in a vacuum. It's not the defense in a vacuum.
It's everything. But because of the overall mindset, which is,
oh no, here it goes again, and Jets fans feel it.
We can feel it in the stadium. We've been talking
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about that for years. You can feel it in the stadium.
You can feel it through the TV. You can see it.
You're like, there it is, here we go. We have it.
They have it, and how do we change that the
truth is that some of these guys, as long as
they're gonna wear green, white, black, gray, whatever it is
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we're putting out there that day, the Jets helmet, as
long as they're wearing it, they're gonna be quitters. They
just don't know how to be a winner here anymore.
They're tainted, they're polluted. It's over. And that might be
some of our greats, like a quinnin Williams, maybe a
Sauce Gardener. Maybe some of the guys that are a
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little bit mid you know, more mid tier. Maybe the
Jamien Sherwood's, the Quincy Williams of the world. Maybe maybe
Jermaine john I don't know what's up with Jamaine Johnson.
We'll have to figure that one out. And that's probably
a different scenario. But do you understand it's like maybe
they maybe, like look for example, just as an example,
maybe Quinn Williams, who is a very very good player.
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He's top three, top five defensive tackle in the NFL
every single year, gotten an All Pro, nod all, that's
been to the Pro Bowl, everything else. If he's a Jet,
he might only we might see I've seen his ceiling.
But if he goes to the Rams, the Chargers let's
say the Niners, maybe the Ravens or whoever. So a
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team that doesn't have the the thick muck of loser
itis just all over you. Maybe he goes somewhere and
that feeling that quit that oh no, here it goes.
The bottom's falling out again. Maybe if he goes somewhere else,
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he doesn't do that anywhere. But as long as he's here,
And I don't know if that's Quinn per se, I'm
just using him as a potential example. Maybe that's what
it is. Maybe he will never succeed here, and maybe
I mean, look, maybe Aaron Glen can figure it out.
But there's a lot more work to do here than
the simple process of, oh well, bring in a new system,
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bringing a new coordinator, a couple new players. We got
a new quarterback, we got a new gray battleship Jersey Yeah. Us.
It's more than that. It's a mindset of quit of
and the reason for it. It's not gonna work. This
happens every time here we go again. I've already seen
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this story. I read this book. I know the ending.
That kind of a thing, and it might even be subconscious.
But as long as they're here, it might not be
able to be taken care of, to be rooted out,
And that's the kind of thing you have to figure that.
That's what this year really is, maybe even more so
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then Aaron Glenn thought it would be. You know, look,
of course you're coming here. You had a team that
won five games. You're getting rid of Aaron Rodgers and
Devonte Adams and CJ. Mosley and Solomon Thomas and all
the other guys that were leaders on this team, and
you're starting fresh. You're bringing in a new offensive system,
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first time coordinator on the offense. Couple that with a
quarterback who's never played here before. And even though he's
going into his fifth year and he played well last year,
considering he's had an up and down season or a
career at best, this is a guy who's playing for
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his career. Am I? Am I just a professional backup?
Or am I a starter? In this league? And nobody's
story's necessarily written long term. You look at Gino Smith,
he was in the league nine years before he figured
it out, so you never know. But as far as
right now, this is justin Field's team, he has a
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shot right here. You put him back with Garrett Wilson
and Jeremy Rutgerd and Myers got some familiarity, a young
offensive coordinator, you got a new young tight end, you
got a great running back group. The whole thing. This
is it, buddy, this is your chance to say I'm
a starter in the NFL. And you know this is it.
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But you might be finding out that he can't do it.
And that's what it is. Is justin fields. He's a
bridge quarterback unless you luckily catch lightning in a bottle.
And we know this. I mean, I think a lot
of Jets fans, you know, in our yearly excitement thing
that we do. Of course, by the time the season
opens up, we get all excited. We want to believe again. Great,
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that's great, but I think we believed a little bit
too much really, truth be told, This is kind of
where I was. It's like, look, it's a smart move.
If you're gonna get rid of Aaron Rodgers. There's no
real you don't want to trade up, you know, to
trade the future, to trade up for cam Ward or somebody,
so you get the best possible option. He's a vet
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quarterback still, young, strong arm, great legs, nice, but you
know what I mean, like, you put him in there,
you take a shot, but by and large, more than
likely it's gonna be what you see, which is a
bridge quarterback getting you to the next draft where there's
a lot more. You know, theoretically, there seems to be
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a lot more potential quarterbacks coming in to the league
that you can get your pick of. So you do that.
It's an evaluation year for him, It's an evaluation year
for a lot of guys. But man, I think it's
even bigger than that. It's a bigger job than that.
So Aaron Glenn's finding that out. And I think when
you remove the emotions of it, all you gotta get,
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you gotta just push it all back and say, look, man,
doesn't look like we're gonna be able to make the
playoffs this year. No zero to five team has ever
done it. As a matter of fact, I mentioned it earlier.
This is historic. You've heard it by now. I know
you have. If you haven't, I'll tell you we're the
first zero to five team in NFL history, or the
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first team in five weeks to not be able to dude,
we haven't gotten one single takeaway, we haven't fallen on
a fumble, we haven't gotten in an interception that includes
special teams whatever. We have not had a single turnover.
We are negative eight. I think it is it might
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be nine. We are at least negative eight in the
turnover differential. Negative eight means we've given the ball away
eight times and we haven't gotten it once. History, dude,
we find ways to break records that we don't even
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know could be broken. Aaron glenn is now now he's
the first coach in Jet's history to go I want
to start his career. Roh went five, dude. It's just
not crazy to you think of how big it's like.
It's like that stat that I bring up all the
time that as bad as we've been, we are perpetually
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with the group of teams that are the top five
in the draft. And sometimes we might be seventh or whatever, eleven, ten,
you know, but we're we're in the early part of
the draft. We're part of the teams that suck, and
we're part of the We're always in the group. Whether
the Browns are there, the Jags are there, you know,
the Cardinals might be there. The Panthers have been there,
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the Bears, they're always up there. We're always up there
with them. But we have not found a way to
have that number one overall pick, which you can use
to get the quarterback the top gem of the draft,
or is a beautiful trade piece. There's always somebody wanting
to trade up to the number one pick, and if
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it's a quarterback rich draft with a guy like you know,
look that year when it was Trevor Lawrence, right, I
mean shit, the team behind us at three, they got
three first and a third just to get up to three,
and that was to pick the third quarterback. The year
we traded up for Sam, we went from six to three,
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three picks, three slots, and we gave three second round picks. Right.
So we have not figured out a way to have
the first overall pick since nineteen ninety seven. Man, that's
almost thirty years, and we've sucked pretty much. Can we
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just say the lion's share of that time, the most
of it. The same thing, all the Jets teams, all
the bad teams we've had, all the shit we've endured.
We've never seen a coach go zero to five. Here
he is Aaron Glenn. The crazy thing about it, when
I look at guys like co Tighte, like Adam Gasee.
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There's no there's you know all the I just never
would have thought, you know, Aaron Glenn, who Again, we
can go back and talk about our who we wanted
and who we didn't want and all this kind of stuff. Look,
I love Aaron Glenn. I'm rooting for Erin Glenn. I
support Eron Glenn. But the truth is I didn't want
Aaron Glenn for one reason. It's the same cycle that
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we've been doing for the entire time, which is, go
out and hire a rookie head coach from the defensive
side of the ball, couple him with a rookie general manager,
let him bring in a rookie offensive coordinator. The only
thing that we did different was we didn't immediately attach
him to a rookie quarterback. It's like, you know, how
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many times are we gonna do this? How many? I'm
surprised that Jets didn't trade up for cam cam Warden
and just get the whole thing. Rookies all over the place,
and then we wonder, why are they making these mistakes?
Why haven't they figured it out? Well, I don't know,
maybe because they never did this before. So anyway, I'm
just surprised. You think about all the pain of our
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history and we've never been here before. It's crazy. And
to think, no, oh to five team has ever not
had a single turnover before. Really us, I'm telling you,
I think we should go ohen seventeen. I really do.
I think it's time. We gotta get this. We get
this off our shoulder, this bugaboo, this little this lingering
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stat We've never had a season where we didn't win
a single game. Let's get it done. Let's get it
going and do it already. This way, we know we'll
get the number one pick. The Titans win, I don't
even know. I gotta look. I know that the Saints
beat the Giants, so there's one less. We just stay
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the course. But you know what we'll do. And this
is like with Adam Gase is last year when we
went to and fifteen, we were I mean we were
on in five. That has to be he started his career.
Oh the first year, that's what it was. But anyway,
we were we had no wins, like all the way
through the season, we were fighting for Trevor Lawrence and
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then what happened. We played the Rams and we win
a game. Stupid Braden Man makes the tackle and the
whole thing. And then what did the Jags do? They
all of a sudden, we flipped. We were fighting with
the Jags. We were number one, they were number two.
The second that happened, they benched Minshew, they benched all
their players that that could help them win. They said, nope,
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we're gonna play everybody else. They knew how to tank,
and they got themselves the quarterback that they wanted. Now,
people can argue one way or the other, he's not
what he was supposed to be, blah blah blah. Trevor
Lawrence is better than every quarterback we've had here. Maybe
not Aaron Rodgers, of course, but when the way he
played here for sure, So who knows? But AnyWho, you
know what I'm saying. I don't want to get into
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all that. But anyway, if we do go oh to seven,
what should we do? We're halfway through the season and
we haven't won or we won one game, playoffs are
clearly out, and you know you're just not gonna have
a good record at all. What do you do? Do you,
fire Sale? Let's take a look at it in the
intelligent gripe. All right, so we talk about this we
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look at it objectively. I'm not whining, I'm not complaining.
I'm not jumping off a bridge or a cliff or
anything like that. We're just taking a look. Say, look,
we are five games in in this thing, and we
don't have a victory. We don't even have a takeaway,
no turnovers in our favor yet, got lots of penalties, which,
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by the way, the Jets missed a face mask. The
rest missed a big face mask on Isaiah Davis today.
Just to stack on top of things. But let's take
a look at our roster and see who do you
want to get rid of and realistically, realistically, what kind
of value would you get? And maybe some guys that
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are cuspy. You know, what kind of value would you
have to see being presented to you to consider it.
Let's take a look at this. So first we got
our offense. Okay, let's take a look at our offense.
You got justin fields at quarterback. Now, let me ask
you this. You got teams all over the league. I
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mean shit, the forty nine ers are playing Mac Jones
with Adrian Martinez. You know, the Tony Alexio Adrian Martinez
package is over there in San Francisco. Maybe they'd be
interested in Justin Fields. I mean, if there is a
coach that could maximize the talents of one Justin Fields,
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it's definitely Kyle Shanahan. He's on that list. Maybe a McVeigh,
you know, I don't know, but Shanahan's way up top
might be at the top up. Do you do? You
do you trade Justin Fields go with Tyrod Taylor and
Brady Cook for the rest of the year. I mean,
what do you you know? I don't know. What do
you think? And if you do, what could you get
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for him? I don't know. I'd be open to it
if I'm only eight and the trade deadline's approaching and
the Niners say, hey, look, we're willing to give you
a fifth round pick for Justin Field, maybe even a
fourth let's say fifth. We'll give you a fifth round
pick in this year's draft for Justin Fields. Now, if
you don't know this, the Jets currently we have I
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think six picks. We're looking at a couple potential uh comppicks,
so three compicks are coming. So maybe we got anywhere
between five and eight picks you know, in the in
the draft this year, A lot of them way late
couple late sevenths and that kind of thing at the
end of the draft, right before mister irrelevant kind of thing. Uh,
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maybe a fifth, we have no third? Maybe a fifth
is you know, is would you do it? Would you
do it? You know? Justin Fields isn't your guy to
take you there? Is he worth it? I'll be honest
with you, I would say no. I would keep Justin
Fields even next year as my backup, and if he
needed to start before I throw my rookie next year.
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Is rookie into the fire? Maybe I let Justin Field
start a couple of weeks. If the kid doesn't look ready,
that kind of a thing. I think his value is
here much more than a fifth. Now. If they offered
me a third, I'd probably do it. I I'll figure
out the rest. I'll go into the rest of the
season with Tyrod Taylor, Brady Cook. If I need to
go to the scrap heep and find a quarterback, I
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can do that too. The season's already toasted. It doesn't matter.
Justin Fields maybe third round pick gets it done. Anything
else I'm saying the value is not not good enough
for me. A Breeze Hall, he's a name that we
hear all the time. Braylen Allen is now hurt. You know,
he's on ir or they they said it's gonna be
what they say eight weeks. He's gone for a long time.
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So we're without Brailn Allen. That leaves us a little
thinner than we were when we were talking about brese
Hall trades and all that stuff. But the kid is
playing again. In this game, he had one hundred and
thirteen yards on the ground eight point one yard average,
and another forty two yards in the air. He had
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that big, costly fumble, but it's par for the course.
Breese has been playing pretty much like that the whole season.
Buffalo didn't look so great, but who did so Bres' Hall?
What does it take to get it done? Now? If
you know you're not gonna keep him next year, there's
just no way you're not gonna pay Breess Hall. You're
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not gonna keep them, then maybe you consider getting what
you can get for him. Now, what would it be?
What are teams gonna offer for a running back like
that they know they're gonna have to pay him. I
don't know. I can't see. I think realistically you would
see if there's offers, if there's a trading partner, you're
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gonna be looking at fourth round picks for Breethe Hall
Breese Hall. I realistically, I don't see higher than a
third for Briesaw. It sucks because I think he's a
premier back and if he was on a team with
a viable, like true passing game, I think he's he's
blowing up the league. I think he's among the better,
you know, the the top rushers in the NFL, and
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I think that other teams would be able to utilize
him a little bit better than we are. So but
here's here's here's what I think. I think you gotta listen.
If somebody comes and offers me a second round pick,
I'm probably taking it. But I'm gonna say this. If
I'm the Jets, I am probably gonna try to keep
Breesehall next year, and I'll tell you I might even
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franchise him for that one year. He's a baller and
he's a guy that you want to keep around. I
know you can get running backs. I know I get it,
but I'm gonna try now again, if there's a third
or second on the table, I have to consider it
worthin Isaiah Davis would then be catapulted into the starting
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running back role with Khalil Herbert, and you have in
Wongo floating around back there. But he's out, he's injured,
So what do you know what I mean? But again,
the seasons of the seasons of wash, you're fire sailing,
So what do you do again? I'm thinking I'm already
starting to talk to Breest Hall's agent about next year,
see what I can get done, maybe a shorter extension,
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trying to see what I can do, and I might
even do it now, Guarantee him some money, that kind
of thing. If I'm getting a second offered, which is unrealistic,
I'm taking it. If there's a third, I'm fifty to fifty.
If it's a four to third or lower, I'm probably
just gonna ride it out. So that's where I am.
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I'd love to hear your thoughts on this too. Give
me your thoughts in the comments about all of these.
Let's see where we are. Garrett Wilson, this is a
big one. Garrett Wilson has been catapulted into my favorite
jet status. It's crazy because I don't know the jersey
of his my son does, but I don't. And it's
a crazy thing because I'd love to buy his jersey
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and proudly walk around with it. But I'm not giving
the Jets any more money. I know I could go
to Dhgate and do that whole thing, but I still
it's the thing. I'm not doing it. But Garrett Wilson,
if he's on again, let's use him as an example
the Niners, if he's on the Chargers, if he's on
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Seattle with Sammy Boy, who crazy looked great through four
touchdowns and threw that costly pick at the end to
give them the series to kick the field goal and
win it. Crazy stuff. But Sam's looking good in Seattle.
I think he'd be great. How about up there in
Minnesota alongside Justin Jefferson. Imagine Justin Jefferson and Garrett Wilson together.
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It's not to be unfair. Maybe put him in Pittsburgh
with it. Anyway, I'm not trading Garrett Wilson. I know
there's a growing sentiment we should trade Garrett Wilson just
because it's the right thing to do for the kid.
I get that too. I'm keeping Garrett Wilson at all costs.
You'd have to offer me to first at minimum to
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get me to even start listening. If you're saying, hey,
I'll give you a first and a third, Nope, I'm
not even listening. I'll hear the call, of course. But
Garrett Wilson's staying to firsts Josh Reynolds, he's gone. You're
not getting anything for him. You take anything. If somebody
offers you a sixth a seventh, you take it for
Josh Reynolds. Arion Smith, you're not gonna get an offer,
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but you don't take one anyway. Mason Taylor's you know
you're not going to take an offer for him either.
Andrew Beck, you're not going to get an offer for
I would take anything for him. You got that touchdown
today or was it a two point? I think it
was a touchdown? Good for him? John Simpson, Uh, you know,
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I don't know. Somebody wants to trade me for Josh Simpson.
I'm taking it. What are you gonna get? Although I
do want to keep the line together. I think the
more they play together, the better you want to try
to do that a tipman, I'm not taking anything for
Josh Myers. You can't this year, but I would. I
mean thinking about you if somebody wants to give you,
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like a fifth or sixth for Josh Myers, it's not happening.
But if they do, you know, you take it. You
move Tipman over to center, and you throw in somebody
at guard. I mean, could it be any worse? I
don't know. I don't know. I'm not trading Tipman, I'm
not trading Membo. I'm not really trading any of the
offensive line. I don't think if they come in on
the back end. I mean, look, you know you we
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got the backups to Tyrod Taylor, Isaiah Davis, Almazard. Somebody
wants to offer me something for Almazart, I'm taking it.
You want to offer me something for Tyler Johnson, I'm
taking it. I don't care what it is. You want
to give me a seventh for Tyler Johnson, taking it,
I bump up Brandon Smith, which, by the way, I
don't know why they're not doing that anyway, I don't
get it. But so that's the offense. So basically he
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got Justin Fields, brees Hall, Garre Wilson. That's basically it.
And again, any of the other guys just low levels
six seven. Yeah, I'm taking anything for anybody I can now.
The defense is interesting. The defense is interesting because you
got guys that are players, but are they the players
for Aaron Glenn's team. That's that's what we got to
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ask ourselves. Will McDonald first round pick, premier level potential
pass rusher, comes up real hot sometimes and has really
kind of fizzled for the most part. Had that amazing
block field goal. Yes, he's got pressures, but he has
the first twos. You know, the first game he had
the two sacks, looks great, and he's not really able
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to take over the game like you want somebody to,
especially when a guy like Jermaine Johnson is hurt. You
need your big you know, your big names to step up,
and he's not really able to do that up at
you know, until this point. So what do you If
somebody says, hey, we'll give you a first round pick
for Will McDonald, do you take it? Somebody says a
second round pick, let's say they're off of you, a
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second and a seventh round pick for Will McDonald. It's
on our defense. We got some real studs that we're
in need of a of a big time pass rusher,
a specialist, and we'd love to give you a second
and a seventh, a second this year and a seventh
the following year. Do you take it? Then you got
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Braden McGregor and Tyler Barron stepping in the rest of
the year. Do you do you take it? Do you
consider it? Will McDonald I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna
say no. You gotta have some pieces, uh, for the
for the team. Harrison Phillips, we just traded for him.
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You got him for next year as well. I'm keeping
him unless you're gonna make money on the deal. Like
you gave away a sixth and so you got Harrison
Phillips and a seventh, and you gave away a sixth.
So if somebody comes in and says, hey, man, we'll
give you a fifth so you can make money on
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the deal, maybe maybe you consider it or you think
Harrison Phillips is you know, a key piece to the
line that you want to build. Okay, fine, but this
is chump change land Jawan Briggs. I'm not trading Jawan Briggs.
He's you know, he's a young guy, super cheap. You know,
what are you gonna get to Felli, you want to
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offer me anything, I'm taking it on for two Felly LT. Three.
He's an interesting one. But you know it was out today.
I don't know what happened there, Jermaine Johnson. Nobody's gonna
offer anything because he's been hurt. He's played two games
in the last what is it, nineteen So I don't
know what you know, you just as nothing and I
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don't want to trade a guy like JJ. But man,
this is tough. You gotta see if this guy can
come back. He's got to like rebuild his name, his
career is because he's got nothing cooking again. Went out
game two in twenty twenty five or twenty four, lost
for the season, played two games or a game and
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a half this year, and he's been out since. He's
been out three straight games, So I mean, what is it.
Nobody's gonna offer anything now. I'm gonna tell you this.
If they came in and offered two bags of potato
chips for Michael Clemens, I'm giving it. Michael Clemens. I mean,
he's surprised. As bad as we knew he was playing.
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I am truly surprised by how bad he is. When
you focus, you just key on Michael Clemens, you'll see it.
He is a complete train wreck. I've never seen anything
like it this bad. You never see.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
It this bad because there's I haven't seen a player,
especially like particularly on the on the edge, play this
bad because he's playing so many snaps.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
He's playing so many snaps, we get so much time
to look at him, so many examples that I haven't
seen a player play that bad for this long consistently.
It was like watching Zach Wilson. You like, you never
see a quarterback play this bad for this long because
they get bent. We didn't have anybody. Remember Robert Sala
came out that time. He said, Zach gives us the
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best chance to win, and everybody said, oh, Sala is
an idiot. I'm like, I'm not hearing that. I'm here
and I ain't got shit behind them. That's what I'm
That's what I'm hearing. There's nobody else here, which is
becoming a problem quite frankly so. Jermaine Johnson, Michael Clemens. Again,
I'll take anything for any of these guys, right, Somebody
wants to come and offer you something for Braden McGregor,
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you take it right, any of those guys. How about
Sherwood got paid this year? I think think what we're
seeing with Jamie and Sherwood because he was the surest
tackler on the team the last two years. I think
what you're seeing is twofold one. It's a brand new defense, right,
he's got to learn. Sola's defense was very, very different
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than this one. And I think the second part to
that is you add to that that he's for the
first time the centerpiece. He's the he's the captain so
to speak, of the defense, and he may he might
not be that guy. So either way, even if he
is that guy doing all that, you know, just shifting
into all that, this year seems like he's taking it's
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taking a little bit longer for him to come around
and kind of digest all that. Then maybe we'd like So,
but if somebody comes in and offers you something for Surewood,
do you take it? I do depends on what it is.
I mean, you don't want to give him away per se.
But like guys like Keiko Muwanga, I mean, look, it's new,
he's new, he's young, it's it's you know, it's early.
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But I don't really see I don't see the thunder.
I don't see even with like Sherwood when he was young.
He would come in for two or three plays and
spot duty for CJ. And you saw the impact. Like
you saw it, you saw that he was a player.
I'm not really feeling that with Kiko yet. So again,
it's it's it's it's early in his career. I'm not
labeling him anything, but I don't I'm not really feeling
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I'm not excited about him like I was for Sherwood
or early on. Not his first year because he had
the Achilles, but the second, third year. Really I was
excited about Sherwood. But I don't know. If somebody comes
in and offers you a mid round pick fourth for Sherwood,
you know, you get the money off the books, you
kind of get to play, you know, to push reset
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on your middle linebacker, i'd consider it. And I like Sherwood.
I'm not excited about his play this year thus far,
but I do. I like Sherwood. He's not that animal
middle linebacker that I genuinely and typically like. But uh,
you know, well I would be I'd be open to it.
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Cam Jones, whatever you want somebody wants. Yeah, sure, you
know what I mean, But it's not happening now. Quincy
he's on IR for the rest of the year, so
it is what it is. I don't know how long
he's on IR, but I'm gonna tell you some Quincy
Williams to me, I like Quincy and when he's playing well,
he's really good. He's way too inconsistent for me, and
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that to me means that I don't I don't really
need him. I would let him go this year anyway,
so if I could get something for him, like if
he comes back and he plays a couple of games,
when somebody wants to give you something, I'm taking it.
And that might piss off a guy that I skipped
on the defensive line, not on purpose, just because it happened.
And we'll get to him now, which is Quinn Williams.
It might piss Quinn off. I mean, look, they've been
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playing together for a number of years now. They probably
want to keep that going. And maybe if we trade
his brother mid season, he might take that wrong. Who knows.
But either way, the Quinn Williams thing is is a
big one. Quinn Williams is a stud. Okay, Quinn william
Tiams is routinely among the top defensive tackles in the league.
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He draws a lot of double teams. You know, he's
he's a very good player, but he's never gonna be
Aaron Donald. It's just he's not on that tier. People
like to think that he could be. I was hopeful
that he would be, and for a minute there it
almost looked like he had that potential. I don't say,
I don't think it's ever gonna come around the mountain
to that level. But he's damn good. Is Quinn important
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enough to the team that if somebody offers you a
first round pick for him, which they should should be
a first and I know what people say, you know,
maybe look if it's a second and some change, do
you consider it. I'm gonna tell you, Quinn, up until
Garrett Wilson just pushed him off the Pedestal has been
my favorite jet for the last couple of years. I
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love Quinn Williams. I love the person, I love the player.
I just love Quinn. I would definitely consider getting something
for Quinn Williams. Definitely. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
offload them for cheap. I'm not looking to get rid
of them necessarily. I'm happy to have them delighted but
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if somebody's offering me a first round pick, it would
you know one of the teams that are gonna go
deep into the playoffs that they know their pick is
gonna be in the twenty late twenties, early thirties, you
know that kind of a team. I would take it.
And if it's a second round pick, you gotta give
me a second and some change second and a fourth
something like that. I might, I'm telling you, I might consider.
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I would think real hard about it, because I'm looking
to build this team. I'm looking to reshape this team
and shed some of the some of the the old
thinking and just kind of freshen it up. I need
picks to do that. I need picks, and I need money.
If I can get a first round pick or a second,
then a third or second then a fourth for Quinn
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Williams and offload them money, so that gives me money,
and it gives me the picks, I'm gonna consider. It
breaks my heart really does. Now, all the other guys
on the defensive backfield, you're not gonna get anything for
any of them except for two guys. Michael Carter. The
second he's he's hurt again. So I don't know, but
a team might be interested in him if he comes
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back and he plays healthy. He was among the best
nickel corners in the entire NFL before his injury. He
there was a reason that he got paid. And let
me tell you something, I was a big supporter of
him getting paid. Has not been the same since that happened.
You know, could be the injury, could be the I
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don't know, it could be lots of things. Doesn't look
like the same player. Maybe a change of sceneries what
he needs. Look at Brandon Echols for the Steelers, look
at DJ Reid over and they look they're they're thriving
right for the Lions, maybe just maybe, what do you
get from Michael Carter? What do you get what you take?
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Can you get a fifth round pick for Michael Carter?
Can you get a sixth I think it would probably
be in that sixth round range, maybe even pickswap. You
get a sixth, you give a seventh, that kind of
a thing. You get a fifth, you give a sixth,
something like that. I gotta see what we have. I mean,
how many fucking sixth round picks we possibly have. I
gotta look at that. But I would definitely be willing
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to move Michael Carter. Sauce Gardner is an interesting one
because he is one of the better cover court, best
cover corners in the NFL. The last couple of weeks,
he's been burned for a touchdown. He's getting called for
more penalties. I think teams still know who he is.
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I think teams would still be excited about him. If
somebody's calling, what did they have to give you? You're not
gonna just dump them for cheap. You're not looking to
get rid of a Sauce Gardener. But what would it take?
And would you be would Aaron Glenn, you think, be
willing to listen, would he be willing to offload Sauce Gardner.
I think he would. I think he would. And if
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you could get on a singular first round pick, remember
Sauce was the fourth overall pick. He's got two All
pros under his belt. He's got rookie defensive, rookie under
the year under his belt. Last year he was like,
what the top five corner in the NFL, and that
was a down year. This year, it's interesting. He plays
really well, but he gets burned for the touchdown he's
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tackling much better all that. I don't know. What do
you need to dump Sauce Gardner? He just got paid.
He's the highest paid cornerback in the NFL least average
per year. What does it take and what's somebody willing
to do? Are they willing to give you a first
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and change? Because a first, I mean he's already guaranteed
to be it. You know he may you know he's
a you know what you're getting with them. First is
always a rap shoot. A pick is always a crap shoot.
I don't know. I'm real curious. That's the one I
want you to answer most. What would it take for
you to trade Sauce Gardner realistically? Not like I hate him,
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get him out of here for any just dump the
money realistically. You got an asset here. He's one of
the best cornerbacks in the league. He's the highest paid
cornerback in the league. He's tackling really well. He's a
great cover cornerback, even if he is playing spotty right now.
Teams know what he is. What would it take from
your perspective and what do you think Aaron Glenn's opinion
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of him is at at the trade deadline? I'm real
curious you're trading Nick Folk. I'm not trading that punter.
You gotta give me a first round pick for that guy.
I'll tell you that that's for sure. Uh, the the
you know, the return men, what are they? But nobody knows.
Nobody knows that that is what it is. But there
(56:56):
you go. So the big ones, you know, like Justin
Fields could have some value, Brees Saw, Garrett Wilson, they
have the value. I don't see any of the offensive
lineman going. But will McDonald, Quinnin Williams, maybe the linebackers,
Michael Carter and Sauce Gardner. That's really who you're looking at. Now.
(57:19):
Would you can you see a world where you get
rid of all of them? You just get the picks,
you dump all the money. Could you imagine the Jets
getting like, let's just like realistically, you get a sixth
for Justin Fields, you get a fourth for Breecee Hall,
you get a you know, you know, first, and a
third for for Garrett Wilson. You get all you know,
(57:42):
I don't know man, a first for Quinnin you know,
a sixth for Jamien Sherwood, a first for Sauce card.
Now Matt can you imagine a world we just say
screw it. You start stock piling. We're the worst team
in the league. You get the first overall pick, you
got three more and some seconds and thirds and all
that kind of shit. Then you trade back with the first,
(58:05):
you get a couple more. You trade back to like
pick four, you get next year's first, another second. You
know what I mean? You could do this and you're
starting with one hundred and twenty million in cab space.
I don't know what do you think is the fires
saiale in order? I mean, nothing's installing right now. We
could go to London and shellact the Broncos and come
(58:29):
back all excited and then beat the Panthers. I mean,
who knows, right, But let me know what you think
about this one. Who you willing to get rid of?
What's it gonna take. I'm gonna read the comments. I'm
gonna have this conversation with you. I'm genuinely curious. Let
me know what you think in the comments. Don't forget
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all said, guys, have a great Monday, have a great
rest of the week, don't let the Jets steal too
much of your joy, and as always, go Jets. Yeah.
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