2024 Week 16 Card: We Talked About It

The Collective clicked a TNF game -- and four other bad QBs!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
The Welcome back to Great Iron Camble, the only podcast
that puts its money where its mouth is. I'm your host,
rich Ron, and I'm joined by the entire collective, the Disciple,
Brett Coulson, Donnie DP Peters, and the Resident moves himself

(00:30):
mo Nowara. If you are watching this on YouTube, please
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like the greatest quarterback in the National Football League despite
being twenty fifth in composite score twenty second and EPA
per play twenty fifth and success rate in twenty third

(00:50):
EPA or QBR excuse me bon Nix, of course, quarterbacking
the Denver Broncos tonight on Thursday Night Football. It is
a consensus pick. I did try to prod these fellas
to hashtag talk about it, but we didn't talk about it.

(01:11):
Brett was all about it. Brett was ready to just fire.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
We still have time to talk about it. I mean,
we could get it in.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
We've got an hour, right, we could have a mid
show selection. I mean, the usually runtime in the show
is about an hour, so we could get to a
point where maybe we just slammed the alarm and Donnie's
just quickly with this thumb trying to submit this to CIRCA.
Mo's in a car MO on a car phone right now,
nineteen ninety sports radio style, somewhere in something Western Wyoming,

(01:43):
and Mo, I bet the scenes are electric as you
drive through.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Picture that scene from Fargo where they're digging out the suitcase,
or digging in the suitcase, I think is what they're doing.
It looks exactly like that, only a little bit less. Now.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, thankfully, thankfully there's less snow. We're hoping that you
drive safe two and ten all the way back to Omaha.
Although I thought it was just I thought it was
a quick thirty minute drive from from Vegas to Omaha.
But I guess I am mistaken. Mo cashing in the
WPT World Championship. The entire world got to watch him

(02:20):
for a few hands on the feature table until those
idiots at WPT broke it. It was a great table too,
not just because our guy the Moose was there. You
had Calvin Anderson, who unfortunately was abusing our guy a
little bit because he is a sicko. You had Maurice Hawkins,
who love him or hate him makes for entertaining content,

(02:41):
So can I tell the go for it? Floor's yours.
We're getting our asses kicked, so all stories are welcomed
right now.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
They definitely should have left us on the feature just
for this one exchange. The poker Twitter would have exploded
if this was actually if this would have happened on
the feature table, you had Maurice Hawkins just back door
the nuts and two x pot river against Cal. Cal

(03:09):
tanks for like three minutes. I know Maurice has the nuts.
I'm praying he clicks fold. No, he calls Maurice has
the nuts. He stands up, reaches all the way across
the table, slams the cards down in front of Cal,
and then like an hour later, Cal gets massive value

(03:33):
on the river raising with two pair against the block.
Maurice shows his kings and Cal had sucked out with
eight seven suit. He showed his hand normally, and then
after he gets pushed the pot, he grabs his card,
reaches over in front of Maurice's and slams them. Dound dude, Yes,
it was tremendous.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
See come on, it was so obvious that fireworks are
coming at this table. Unfortunately, no fireworks for the collective
one and four last week, and unfortunately, because we went
two and three the week prior when a quarter started,
we can't even were the Jets. We can't even tank
correctly to try and win the Booby Prize. So we're

(04:13):
just gonna do our bet. I mean, this is this
has been truly the season from hell. I was giving
these guys some stats earlier today when I was updating
all my Google sheets. The collective pick is four and
eleven this year. We've only been under five hundred with
the collective pick I believe twice all time. When I
was looking at it. This is trending towards the worst

(04:34):
season ever for that category. So yeah, just just a brutal,
brutal season, which I want to say I can't wait
as in the rearview, but I'm looking at these playoffs
coming up and I think there's gonna be some really
interesting betting opportunities and the field is starting to even out.

(04:55):
With this Patrick Mahomes injury, even though we know he's
Superman and know he's played successfully with the ankle injury previously,
this is always something that came linger. You've got all
the injuries with the Lions now, which have brought them
back down to Earth, making the NFC a little bit
more open. Takuon Parkley has been dealing with an injury
hashtag do running backs matter? So I think an interesting

(05:18):
playoffs that I can't wait to get to. But yeah,
these last couple of weeks where it seems like all
these divisions are somewhat decided to the NFC North a
little bit different. NFC West is a little interesting now
with the Hawks and Rams, but a lot of these
positions have been decided. And speaking of Patrick Levon Mahomes
the second aka Canton, the Chiefs are three and a

(05:41):
half point favorites at home against the Houston Texans, and
I am very surprised to see that I have the
highest opinion on this game. It is not a strong
one because this is not in my top five. It
is a soft bubble though, and I am taking the
three and a half points with the Houston Texans. If
you were betting real American dollars in real life, you

(06:02):
had a chance this week to get the Chiefs as
high as plus two and a half when it looked
like Carson Wentz was going to be under center, but
Mahomes will be at quarterback four Kansas City, so this
has flown back in the other direction three and a
half in the contest. I'm seeing the same in real life.
It is a half point off of the look ahead

(06:23):
which was four, so a little shade because of the injury,
but not enough to get to that extremely valuable key
number that is three. My biggest thing here is that
the Texans defense is just a completely different unit when
their defensive line is fully healthy. They went through a
little bit of a lull there in the middle of
the season when the injury occurred against the Jets and

(06:45):
then in their subsequent games when they couldn't get their
pass rush going. But with the return of Will Anderson,
they were able to play their game and play a
much more stout version of the defense that they intend
to and the numbers have borne that out there. Number
one in DVA on both passing and rushing in defense,

(07:06):
and when it comes to EPA their second against the
pass and sixth against the run. They are a very
stout unit and in a game with a forty one
and a half point total with freezing temperatures, three and
a half points is extremely valuable, especially when the quarterback
on the other side is hobbled. So that is why
I'm taking the Texans in this spot. Mo, you too

(07:28):
have Houston against your beloved Canton. Although you were all
about Wentz at the beginning of the week, what you
got here in.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
This game, Yeah, I think we just want to tell
the people that I think we're all sad that it
wasn't Wentz at least I'm guessing we are. I know
you and I are right absolutely excited to take the
points here. That line was disrespectful, So congratulations to anybody
who got that. Yeah, I mean, I just like you said,

(07:56):
I kind of expect a defensive struggle here. I'm not
confident the Chiefs can pull away, even though I'm very
unexcited about this Texans offense. Man, we saw dude Mahomes
got It wasn't just the injury. I mean he got
hit like fifteen times last week by the Browns. I
mean they just and they have a similar pass rush

(08:18):
to what Houston's brings to the table. So I'm scared
of what this line is going to do for the
Chiefs against a very strong pass rush. But again, I
also don't trust the Texans offense at all. So you know,
the Chiefs do have Trent McDuffie's so they have somebody
who can at least stay with Nico Collins. And you know,

(08:40):
it's the secondary weapons that often burn the Chiefs with
these backup dvs and the linebacker's not being able to
cover tight ends. Like, I'm not really worried about that
with Houston, So I just think, yeah, this is going
to be a close one, and I'm guessing it's another
Chiefs win and no cover. But yeah, one where I

(09:00):
just would be anticipating not a lot of points scored.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Mahome's not the only interesting injury when it comes to
the Chiefs. Hollywood Brown trending towards playing his first game
of the season, injecting some life into this Kansas City
wide receiver room. But on the other side, DJ Humphries,
it turns out coming off the couch and just trying
to play pro football might not be the best thing.

(09:24):
My guy has the hamstring injury that he is still
dealing with, making that left tackle position a continuous revolving
door for Kansas City. Brett, you have the highest opinion
on the Chiefs, so let's put a pin on this contest.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, this offense is going to look more like it
was supposed to coming into the year with Hollywood Brown
coming back. I don't think the Texans are very good.
This offense stinks. I don't think it's Stroud's fault, even
though he has done several stupid things in the pocket
this season, but a lot of it's scheme. Really, this
just comes down to coaching. For me, Slok against Bags
is a massive mismatch. I can see Stroud getting eaten up,

(09:59):
taking a lot of sacks and not getting enough time
to hit Nico and tinked Ell on splash plays that
they really are gonna need to beat this defense. So
that's that's where I sit on it. I'm really curious
to see what people do with this in the contest though,
with Mahomes playing, I honestly don't know how to cap
that as far as leverage goes.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Next game, Bucks at Cowboys. The Cowboys are three and
a half point home dogs. Let's get DP involved because
he's got the highest opinion on this game, with the
home team Dallas Cowboys in his top five.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
I approach this week like I have been approaching many
of the recent weeks, and that's kind of leverage. First,
I think everyone's off the Cowboys. I'm not willing to
be off them yet. I mean, I don't know everyone
I've heard this week, everything I've read, talking to people

(10:52):
in real life who are betting stuff, you know, they
all seem to think that the Bucks are the obvious
side here. And I mean the Bucks I think can
get a letdown. If Dallas can muster up any sort
of a pass rush. I think that that puts Baker
into somewhat of an iffy situation. I know he's thrived

(11:16):
plenty this season, but I think if you can get
after Baker, and we've seen it plenty of times, not
even this season, but over his career, really you can
just really hinder what he does right. And this Bucks
offense looks like it does well a lot of times,
but I would say that a lot of times when
Baker's cooking, when this offense is moving the ball at will,
it's because the other team doesn't generate any sort of

(11:37):
a pass rush. Not that Dallas's defense is, of course,
you know, like the Chiefs defense or Minnesota's defense or
whatever it may be. But I think they have enough
upfront to put Baker in some questionable pockets and then therefore,
you know, I think they can move the ball if
Dallas can, you know, just I mean, the Bucks defense

(11:58):
I think is average ish, you know, so I think
they can keep this one close, right, I mean, I
think there's also a I don't know, I get a
sense of no quit from the Cowboy side of things,
and I think we talk about it a lot. You
get into these later weeks of the season, and you know,
it's easy to say, you know, this team is quit,

(12:19):
or this team is one two three CanCon or whatever
it may be. But at the end of the day,
like we know that these guys are playing for contracts,
they're playing for bonuses, incentives, pride, whatever it may be. Like,
they're not just going to go out there and give up.
So you know, I'm going to back the Cowboys here.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Great Ever, last week, straight up, just a better football
team than Carolina was in that contest. Bucks injuries a
little interesting when it comes to the past catcher situation.
Kate Atton has missed twice this week with a knee injury.
Sterling Shepherd missed Wednesday but came back here on Thursday,
and then of course, in the backfield, Bucky Irving. He's
just going to deal with that back for the rest

(12:56):
of the season. It's not going to really get right
until he gets offseason to rehabit. So in order to
cover three and a half on the road, you need
to score and extend leads, and the Bucks might be
a little hurt. That said, I did click Tampa here
because I think the best coach in this game is
Liam Cohen. The guy has just been cooking this year,

(13:19):
and I think Baker is just capable, even with his
weapons not being at full strength, of doing it, especially
in a dome where conditions are just going to be
perfect for this offense as long as they can protect.
Like you said, DP, which is a bit worrisome, this
is an average offensive line, I think seventeenth that adjusted
zach rate, and there are some very good pieces on

(13:40):
the other side that can deter the offense. MO, you're
a tick higher than me. You had the Bucks bubbling
your top five, giving them confidence points.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Though. Yeah, it's like you said, Liam Cohen, you have
an offensive coordinator whose best days have come within the
last decade against the dinosaur of a defensive coach. You
have what I assume to be Tristan Wurf's out there
to help neutralize Michael Parsons. A Dallas defense that has

(14:08):
lost some pieces in recent weeks. I don't know who's
all gonna be on the field for them, And at
this point, I'm just assuming these Tampa Bay injuries reports
are all gonna be Basically, these guys are playing most likely.
Uh So, I'm tensiling those guys in uh Jalen McMillan
has kind of emerged as a legitimate WR two, so

(14:30):
they have a wealth of weapons to attack this Dallas
defense with. And Yeah, I just feel like their offense
is gonna cook, and I think it's gonna do enough
that they've They've been running up some some decent scores
on the softer defenses. I think Dallas qualifies. Uh So,

(14:51):
it's basically just a question of ken they contain ceedee
lamb enough to cover this number. I think. So I
had this a bit higher than three and a half.
I don't know. I'm considering betting the bucks, but I
don't know if I might get there on an actual wager.
But I do think that's fine. Maybe is attach short.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Let's go to Brett's backyard.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
The Bills make Majana where I am joining eighty three
percent of the ticket holders in backing the Buffalo Bills
minus fourteen in this spot.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
And I think the entire cap comes down to this question.
You guys, what color are Drake May's hands going to
be when the contest begins? Because I am seeing a
predicted game time temperature of eleven degrees and we've got
Drake May, a Charlotte, North Carolina guy who's probably only

(15:47):
seen cold weather for six weeks of the year his
entire life, now having to throw footballs at a professional
level at well below freezing temperatures against this Bill's unit,
and I don't think that's going to end very well.
Especially I think this is the type of offensive line

(16:09):
where the Bills can absolutely eat as well. Some of
their pass rush deficiencies have shown these last couple of
weeks seventeenth and pressure eight twenty first and adjusted ZACH rate.
But this Patriots offensive line is just so so dreadful
and can't the Bills just like score by accident against

(16:30):
this Patriots defense too? Like I said it last week
when the game started against the Cardinals, the Cardinals had
a thirty next to their name. This Patriots defense every
time they play any team that has any semblance of
an offense, thirty points is the stone minimum. And this
is the Bills team that is going out. It's going
forty every single week. So what are they going to score?

(16:53):
And can the Patriots come even close to matching that
in these types of conditions. I don't think they can.
I've got the Bills in my top five. I don't
think people are going to click minus fourteen. Maybe they will,
but I think this is an absolute beat down from Buffalo,
even again, even if it's by mistake, even if they

(17:14):
get into garbage time and they just are turning and handing,
because like, why can't Ray Davis come in and just
run for a hundred yards in the second half against
this team? DP, You've got the blinders on, You're on
the Pats, You've got them low, but you've got the
highest opinion on them.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
I mean, it's just too many points against the Bills
defense that I think can get had to the point
that you can keep this within two touchdowns. I mean,
I'm confident in Drake May. I don't think I'm as
worried about the cold as you are. I think the
guy is ultimately just a gamer at the end of
the day, and I don't think it's going to affect
him too much. Speaking from the heart, I hope the

(17:50):
Bills win by eighty so they can fire this stupid
ass coach and get him out of there. But other
than that, I'm taking the Patriots into points.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
So what's the motivation here? Are you worried that they're
just gonna sit on the ball and not not cover
this number?

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Well, I mean historically games in these attempts have lower
scoring opportunities, and I don't think I want to lay
two touchdowns into those trends that actually have merit. But
you're right, could very well be a whitewash against the
team that is winning. What's the record now, they have
three or four wins. They just want to get off
the field, into the locker room, into the airport as

(18:28):
quickly as possible. So who knows. I wanted nothing to
do with this guy.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Next split game is a game that I think the
entire public wants nothing to do with because the Jacksonville
Jaguars travel to Las Vegas to take on the Raiders,
and somehow the Las Vegas Raiders are favored in a
professional football game which I guess. I guess they're just

(18:53):
getting home field here baked in. This is just baffling
to Mo though, however, because he is all in on
Mac Jones on the road in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, what what is this line? How are the Raiders
favorite in the pro football game? Guys? I mean, I
know the Jags are not very good.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Well, you can't make the Jags road favorites. I agree,
this should just make it a pick and just figure
it out.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Why not? Mac Jones is completing passes, they have Brian Thomas,
They're actually moving the ball. I know this is the
worst secondary in the world, but what are we worried
about hobbled hurt Aidan O'Connell coming in and throwing to
Jacobe Myers like, I don't know, man. And then on
the other side you have the Raiders that just lost

(19:41):
their all Pro pass rusher man. The only positive thing
this team had going for them on defense was that
they occasionally pressured the quarterback. I mean, and you have
Mac Jones who cannot function under pressure, but now he
shouldn't really be under any I mean, why can't the
Jags keep scoring in the twenties like they been every
week except for I guess when they play the Titans.

(20:04):
But besides that, they keep scoring in the twenties and
Max kind of fighting his stride. I mean, why can't
they score twenty points here? The Raiders are the worst
team in the NFL with the worst coach in the NFL.
I love the Jacks. They should be minus.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Brenton Strange probably made somebody a million last week in DFS.
He's probably gonna make multiple millionaires. No people, nobody took
him in basketball, right, the Brentons change wasn't a real person, right, Yeah,
there's not even not even the Actually I'm curious though, Brett,
it's gonna go check the BBMDB and as he does that, DP,

(20:45):
I'll turn to you because you have your hometown Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
I could be completely off here.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
I tried to pick the leverage side here, and I mean,
I'm like, mo, I don't know how the Jaguars are
minus here, But I feel like that's the general thought
amongst everyone, even though the Raiders always seem to be
popular in this contest. Like, I don't know if it's
just a Vegas bias that people just want to click
them for whatever stupid reason. But I mean if I

(21:17):
think the Jaguars should be minus if I if I
think that's what a lot of people think, then leverage.
Don't we just click the Raiders minus one and a
half and hope for the best. I mean, the Jaguars
can certainly throw up a stinker.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Are people going to actually put Jacksonville in their card though?
That's the thing? Yeah, Brett shaking his head. No over there, Like,
I think this is just like both these teams are
going to be sub six hundred, so whatever leverage you
get is going to be minuscule. Yeah. To me, this
is this is Jags or nothing something. Breton Strange and

(21:51):
BTJ need it. I need this is the head the head,
head to head rock Bauers just didn't play football last week,
which is great. Need BTJ to get past him and
receiving to catch that plus sixteen fifty.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Didn't didn't play football. He had ritterter throwing in the football.
He'll be back this week. Powers is back.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Would you get there?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Anybody Strange? Yeah, six hundred and seventy three thousand entries
in Bestball Mania seventeen. Had brenton stream se seventeen?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
What was their advancement, right? Is that my action too much?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Two teams? Two teams advanced those two.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
I hope they got to the semis because they might
have the absolute ace in the hole. The last split game,
it is a Shanahan bull as Kyle himself travels down
to Miami to take on his former offensive coordination.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Team.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
This game is a.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Pickham, which the previous game probably should be. And this
is one of I think two or three games this
week where I didn't even know how to begin capping
this game because of motivation, because of injuries. I was
kind of at a complete loss. Mo however, once again

(23:11):
had a very strong opinion. He's got the Niners in
his top five.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
This is a field play. I don't have anything behind this,
but every time I don't believe in the Niners, they
come out and score thirty. So I'm like, Okay, the
Niners just took an absolute dump last week in a
massive spot. Now they're going on the road against a
somewhat decent team. Aren't they just gonna paste them? Because

(23:38):
every time I write the Niners off, they win by thirty,
So they're a pick them. I mean in the spot
where they the road factor is probably mostly irrelevant. I
mean long travel, but they had extra rest as well.
And also I was looking at so you have this

(23:59):
Miami offense which really struggled against that coaching tree last week,
like really struggled, couldn't do anything at all. So maybe
this defensive coordinator, if he has been doing you know,

(24:19):
his homework, is just looking at what one of his
old colleagues did last week, and it's like, Okay, we
can shut down this bum offense with a bum quarterback
and a terrible offensive line. But yeah, on paper, I
don't know what to think about this name, but not
just my feeling is that this is going to be
Niners by ten.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I think the biggest difference is that the Texans have
Derek Stintley and the Niners do not. I honestly, one
of my biggest fears with the Niners is a little
bit of South Beach flew here, like getting out to
Miami and enjoying themselves in a season that matters zero
percent to any of them, getting out of shitty cold

(25:00):
San Francisco and enjoying maybe a night in the town.
But yeah, I just I've got nothing here, Brett. You've
got the greatest football team it's mac dab in the middle.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, I don't understand what has been going on with
this Miami offense. I understand Stingley, Well, first of all,
why are you throwing it there exstingly? Last week? What
were they doing? Like, don't force feed the ball in
his direction? Just stay away? Like, I don't know. It
doesn't make any sense to me why this offense can't
move the ball through there like they were able to
last year the year before. I feel like there will

(25:33):
be a get right spot. And I know the Niners
aren't the best matchup, but I feel like buying them
now when the offense says looks terrible, Waddle's hurt, Tyreek
is off tweeting nonsense. I think this is just a
spot where people are going to be hesitant to click
on Miami and we could get a little leverage in
the contest.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Tyreek ready to be a coach? I will say the
one angle I have.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
What's that tweet?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Though? Like?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
What did that mean? Don't we know?

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I think trying to decide for two weeks from Tyreek
Hill is very much a fool's Errand so the one
angle I have on this game, if you look at
what happened last week with Drake Greenlaw aggravating his achilles
and then the whole Devondre Campbell thing. Devondre Campbell didn't
want to play, so now they're suspending it for the
rest of the season. This is a very weak rush

(26:19):
defense from San Francisco. And we all know that Shanahana
offenses which Mike McDaniel runs, everything starts with the run game.
So if this achilles aggravation lingers, I see Drake Greenlaw
practicing in a limited fashion. If he gets out there
on the field again, it is not feeling right and
comes off which he should in a lost season, like

(26:40):
why risk your damn achilles one more time? And the
Niners can't stop the run. This could be a Dolphins
live bet opportunity where they get out and they score first,
and you might be laying a couple of points with Miami.
But they might be able to just cram the ball
the entire game and run their offense as expected from
a short passing run the football standpoint and have a

(27:04):
ton of success. That's the one thing I would look
for is if Miami jumps out to a quick lead,
that might be indicative of the day to come and
might be a live betting opportunity. Those are the split games,
all right, Things are about to get spicy. I have
the loan Mo absolutely crushing lone Wolves three and one

(27:35):
last week, fifteen eight and two on the season, sixty
four percent when he has on an island, and he
is on four islands this week once again starting in
his top five with a double sounder game because he
is laying the six and a half points on the

(27:58):
road with the Detroit Lions against the Chicago Bears. Bretty
shaking his head over there, Mo, tell us why you
are on Detroit.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Guys. This is the simplest cap in the world. Okay,
I'm gonna start off with rule of Donnie. What are
people talking about? Everyone's talking about the Lions injuries and
how they're done for and how the Packers and the
Eagles and the Vikings are probably ahead of them in

(28:33):
the NFC. I mean, I'm one of them. I bet
the Packers this season to win the NFC. But guys,
this is the Chicago Bears, the most unprofessional, disfunctional, embarrassing
franchise this side of the New York Jets, against the

(28:56):
team that always shows up, always ready, to go is
hiss tho off after they just got embarrassed at home,
gave up forty eight points, and they're going on the
road to beat the absolute b Jesus out of the
Bears who fall behind by twenty in the first half

(29:18):
every single week. Right now, and guess what, guys, The
Lions ain't gonna take their feet off the gas because
this is the team known for running up ridiculous scores
like beating the Jaguars by fifty. Another game where more
Mo warn you guys, and it's gonna happen again right here.

(29:40):
It's Lions alts, it's Lions minus twenty one and a half,
it's Bears packing it in for the season, and the
Lions Jamior Gibbs is gonna run for two hundred and
twenty yards. How many times have we seen this Bears
defense get trucked by opposing running games? And you have
the best offensive line in the league coming into Flatten.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Where was this anti Bears take two weeks ago? My eye,
that was.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Before the Bears played their third street.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Now I know you, okay, Brett, lead it off because
you have the Bears in your top.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, I mean like capping this Bears team is always
difficult because Mo's right, you don't know which team you're
gonna get, but you are buying them. Here off an
absolutely embarrassing loss on Monday Night football on the road,
but it was against that Flores defense. Much different cap,
much different spot for Caleb william Okay with Caleb Williams
this week. The Detroit injuries have been made very public

(30:40):
mosaright or the top of every discussion, but I'm not
sure it's being truly baked into this number of the
way it should. When you when you have one or
two guys go down, it can often like starters will
pick those those replacements up. You still have the chemistry,
uh with with all those starters on the field. When
you lose money players that the Lions have, that continuity

(31:02):
has gone. I watched it with the Bills first hand
last season. That defense was a disaster when they lost
five to six guys, and now you've got all these
players who haven't gotten reps together all season trying to
figure it out. I think this is Caleb Williams's best
game of the entire season. I think that I think
this is a divisional game. You don't think Caleb Williams,

(31:22):
and this team's going to show up this week against
the division rival and try to knock them out of
the one seat. I think they will show up this week,
and I think there's a decent shot the bearsers go
out and win, because I think they will have all
the success they want against this Lion's defense.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Donnie Pyle on, you two have Chicago in your top five?

Speaker 6 (31:42):
Mo is just pat Stadding, is he not?

Speaker 4 (31:44):
I mean, come on, what in Brett's past sayings, are
we trying to win a contest or are we just
trying to you know, Stacks can't win the contest.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
I'm trying to pick a winner. We are the Cincinnati Vengers.
We landed in the middle. All there is left to
do is play out.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Literally, everyone is gonna click the freaking Lions. I mean,
come on, and and I know, I know you brought
up the whole like Lions injuries thing. I think that's
more big picture like they can't win the super Bowl
type of stuff. They might have trouble on the playoffs
with these injuries. Blah blah blah blah blah. But this week,

(32:25):
coming off of that loss to the Bills, against this
Bears team, Lions are gonna have fourteen hundred selections.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah. I also just think this defense just kind of stinks.
I've always thought it's stunk. It never made sense to
me how they're performing to the level that they were.
What they were doing when Hutchinson got hurt from most
camp ste it. But Donnie's literally holding a sign that
says pat statting season. What they were doing without Hutchinson

(32:54):
was extremely impressive. But then all these other defensive linemen
are now out of it. And the one thing nobody's
brought up, guys, this is Jared Goff outside below freezing temperatures.
This guy stinks in bad conditions. So yeah, I think

(33:19):
the move off of seven to six and a half
is just going to get an insane amount of people
happy to click on the Lions. That said, I'm certainly
not rushing to the window like you guys to bet
the Bears, but I get it from a leverage perspective.
We'll go to a team that Moe faded in back
to back weeks.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Cockr.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
He was correct the set the first week, he was
incorrect the second week, and we had them on the
card covering against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And now they are
road favorites against the Washington formerly racial Slurs, formerly football
team now commis three and a half point favorites in Washington. Mow,
this bubbled your top five.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, I think the zach Ertz injury is sneaky big here.
He's been a big time I can't believe I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Happen for forty year tight ends, I.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Know, but like he's such a security blanket for Jadeen Daniels.
He targets him frequently, and without him, I don't know
who's beating this Eagle secondary on this team. And I
just I think Jayden Daniels is going to be in
a tough spot here. Man. A bad offensive line, Sam

(34:33):
caused me, is hurt a man. I just think everything
is looking like it's against Washington and this spot to
me and I I don't trust this defense. I haven't
all year because I think the Eagles can move the ball.
And then, like I said, missing ERTs in a spot

(34:54):
where I don't think the running game is going to
do that much. You have a running quarterback, which the
Eagles are very well prepared for. They did a great
job against Lamar Jackson and Jayden Daniels. The last time
they played him. They did not let them get loose
at all until Lamar ripped off a forty yard run
with the game being already over on a meaningless final drive.

(35:18):
So I just don't know where the offense is coming
from from Washington. I mean, Terry mclauran is like the
only guy I'm remotely worried about beating this Eagles defense
right now.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I was waiting, I was waiting for you to say,
scary Terrus. It was very disrespectful way started.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
They just brack it in. They got plenty about it.
I mean, who else is going to do something?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Guy?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Someone else?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
The key old ned.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Probably not him.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Can't even respond capping for Ola me his worst than.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
A response.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Luke McCaffrey. Why can't he be the exciting white instead
of zach Ertz? Once again, Brett and Donnie are on
the other side. Once again, they both have it in
their top five, this time dp a tick Higer.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I mean leverage everything most that is true. I have
two notes written down for this game. I wrote one
is leverage. Two weird NFC shit is three is the
second one? Okay, because it's weird NFC stuff happens in
these games, and somehow they end up way closer than
they should be.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
You're gonna make a ODB. He's gonna drive. If he
hasn't driven off the road after punting a two million
chip stack, he's going to drive off the road after
all the times that DP said leverage so far?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
What ODB doesn't like leverage?

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Why are people lining up to lay it with the
Eagles right now? Washington's playing some decent ball.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
I mean, haven't they won like ninety five games in
a row or something ridiculous they've won?

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Is it seven straight? Seventy one percent of the tickets
round Philip?

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, I don't really understand the hook here, and this
is coming from someone who who has hated on the
Commanders this entire season. Obviously, the Saquon injury, whatever it is, matters,
but the aj Brown injury. Is he hurt? Is he
not hurt? That's the big concern for me here. So
I think as we learn more on Friday, we'll have
more more information to go into with the weekend. But

(37:16):
if there's no Brown, or if he's hobbled or unable
to run routes and do the things after the catch
that make him so valuable, this Eagles offense is without
its most important piece. Everybody talks about Saquon, but if
there's no Aj Brown taking the attention away from that
run game, teams can adjust the way they attack this offense.
And we know Hurts isn't good enough to punish NFL teams.
I don't care how bad this Commander's defense is. This

(37:39):
is a massive game for both teams. But I think
because the Comedies haven't been in a playoff position this
late in the season in a while, that place is
going to be insane on Sunday. This is a great
spot for them to send a message. I'm not saying
Washington's gonna win, but I do think this is gonna
be a close game enough to where this should just
be three.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
All the Saquon stuff, Kenneth Caanwell generated more EPA both
on the ground and in the air last week than Barkley.
You should tweet that out, AJ Brown.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
You should tweet that. It would be a great follow
up for your justice.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah. I don't know. The entire Ravens fan base. The
entire Ravens fan base came after me this week.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Well do you think they're bad? You should see the
Eagles fan base. They might actually come come to your house.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I literally tweeted a fact about Tosh Allen and I've
never had more engagement on the tweet in my entire life.
Fascinating stuff. Moving down Mo's Lone Wolves. He's laying it
with Anthony Richardson and the trick play master Shane Steichen.
The Indianapolis Colts are minus three and a half against

(38:49):
Brett's Fantasy Titans.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Well, I have to admit I may have to change
this one. Maybe this is a fair line. I did
not realize Mason Rudolph was starting this game, and then yeah,
I've paid all year. I've maintained all year that I
think he's an upgrade. I'm a little levis So had
this one at like Colts minus five. So if I
think he's an upgrade, then that probably means this should

(39:12):
be like Colts minus three and a half or four.
So maybe this is just a fair line. That being said,
this is another one where a lot of injuries that
I don't know what to do with because it's only
the Wednesday report that I was looking at. Sovandre Swett
has been a monster for them, and I am seriously

(39:32):
concerned about that defense. If he doesn't play. I don't
know what I would do if I was kind of see,
I mean, you want these guys to develop, but also
what is the point of playing them in a dead season?
So it's kind of a weird situation for the coaching staff. Yeah,
I don't have too much on this one. I guess

(39:53):
I do think the Colts should be three or slightly higher.
But what I actually vent money on them? No, I
don't think so. We've talked all year about the floor
with the Colts offense. You want them as dogs, you
don't want you want fault lines, you don't want to
bet these standard three and a half lines or whatever

(40:14):
it is. So yeah, I just I'm not that interested
in this one. Really.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, I've got the Titans of my top five. I
went manati here. I think the switch to quarterback is
huge in a game like this with a total of
forty two with the arrow pointing down, because you just
when you have the dog in this spot, you don't
want to introduce the amount of variants that Will Levis does. Right,
there are certain spots where Tennessee's plus seven. That's when
you want Will Levis in there chucking it around. Bad

(40:41):
things might happen, but good things might happen as well.
But in a game like this with a team that
likes to run the ball with their quarterback and the
running back, there's going to be fewer possessions, shorter timespans
total of forty two and a half. You want to
introduce less variants, and I think Mason Rudolph does that.
I just cannot stomach laying points with bad teams. I

(41:04):
can't stomach laying more than a field goal with a
bad team. And Anthony Richardson on the invert on the
other side is the variance monster, like he could just
hand Tennesseee multiple points like he did last week against
the never Broncos, because so I just I don't have it.
I don't have it.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
In Yeah, speaking of I don't have it in me,
I couldn't. I couldn't bring myself to do it again.
I've just been beaten down by this Titans team every
single week. It probably is that I might. I might
change my mind as a week closer to Saturday, But yeah,
like this is you don't lay this many points with
ar fifteen because of the high variance that you get
with him. The Titans man like It's just really frustrated

(41:46):
because I do believe this defense is solid and everybody
is playing their ass off. Like I loved Calaian's comments
this week about his team being soft, and I believe him.
These guys get up and play. They are a tough
football team, but the turnovers have killed them week after week,
and then they just can't find a way to get
back in these games that I just I don't know.

(42:07):
I'm I'm really beaten down by Tennessee this year.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I don't know what's more insane that the Titans forced
four turnovers and lost a football game last week, or
that they turned the ball over six times, six times
and only lost by ten, Which one's crazier because they're
both mind blowing to me, especially against an offense as
good as Cincinnati have. You turned the ball over six times,

(42:32):
you should be losing by three touchdowns, And yet they
scrapped and they turned the ball over themselves, and they
had a weird There was a second there at the
end where it was like, again it tighten, somehow sneak
through the back door. Anyway. Obviously they didn't, but there
there was an opportunity there, So so yeah, I think

(42:53):
scrappy squad can't lay the points with Indy another double
digit favorite, which this time is the Packers laying fourteen
and a half. They give him the hook in the contest. Mo,
this is one of your last selections. We were laying
the wood with Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah, this is one that's just similar to the Bills game.
To me, it's just do they feel like covering this?
I mean, I don't know why the Bills can't win
by seventeen plus, like they score forty every week. Whatever,
that's just gonna be a cake walk against the Patriots.
They could probably score handing off, and the Packers can
probably do the same. I mean they have Josh Jacobs.

(43:32):
Even their backup running backs have done decent work at
times this year. And you have a New Orleans Saints
team that has absolutely nothing left on offense. They lost
their Swiss Army knife, Taysom Hill, they lost their receivers,
they lost Alvin Kamara. Now I mean what is left?
And the Packers are just a well oiled machine man.

(43:54):
They just go out there and they just move the
football immediately every game. I mean they did. The Seattle
was pretty eye opening. I mean that was one of
the most workman like vision performance. It did not matter
what they did, if they ran, if they passed. It's
just everything worked against Seattle. And that's a similar level

(44:17):
of defense to this New Orleans outfit. So I don't
know why the Packers can't go out there and do
whatever they want. And then you have an awful, awful,
awful quarterback on the road outside.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yikes something riddle right, they're going to ridder. They had
you right, they bench Hainer last week. It's going to
be ridder right? Oh yeah, did I just combined Desmond?
That's a ratler as well?

Speaker 6 (44:46):
Rattler? Who the hell cares?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Boom Brett. You've got the highest of been on New Orleans.
Get us out of that.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
I have nothing to say. How do I have the
highest opinion? I don't have any notes on this game?
Who wants to touch this game? There?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
It is, there it is. We moved to Donnie, who
is laying the eight and a half points with Michael
Pennix and the Atlanta Falcons against the New York Giants, and.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
There is no way that Penix is worse than we've
seen from Kirk Cousins. So this has to be an
upgraded quarterback. And allow this offense to open things up again.
And this Giants defense is horrendous.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
They're just so bad.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
I mean, why can't the Falcons just win by I
don't know, name the score against this stupid team that
is the New York Giants. And I'm not really sure
what it's gonna happen here with leverage, so I'm not
too concerned with laying the eight and a half here.
And like, you know, being on the popular side, I
think it's going to be I don't know, closes to
fifty to fifty here. I think partly it's a big,

(45:55):
biggish number. I don't I think people don't really know
what to do with Pennix, you know, get in there.
So yeah, I'm happy to lay the eight and a
half here.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
This is the easiest cap of the week. This is
twenty twenty two Niners at Bears all over again, Trey Lance,
big favorite on the road, exciting stuff. You just cannot
in any way, shape or form lay eight and a
half points with Michael Pennix in this spot. There's a

(46:26):
non zero chance that this guy is bad. There's a
non zero chance that this guy doesn't meet the threshold
to play quarterback in professional football, and for him to
step on the field mid season and be more than
a touchdown favorite against at least a serviceable defense, very
much a serviceable pass rush is absolutely embarrassing. And the Giants,

(46:52):
if I'm day Ball the entire week, I'm just saying
that this kid has never played a snap and they
think he's going to be two into oblivion. Okay, that's
how disrespectful this line is. I love the Giants.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
What was the look ahead number on.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
This The look ahead in this game was nine. It's
ten on a very influential offshore book still today.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
But where are you at?

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Isn't this trailer?

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Yeah? I don't know what this is. How can anyone
have any confidence unless you had like a polar opinion
on Michael Pennock in draft season, how can you have
a pounds of confidence either way? So I just defaulted
to taking the points because I don't know what the
hell this game is going to look like. I mean,
we know Tim Boyle doesn't mean the threshold.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Guys, we know that something boil. But at least he
has neighbors and he knows just to spam the neighbors button.
When he went in, he was just where's one. I'm
throwing the ball to one and hoping that he makes
a play. Okay, I've got one lone wolf, and I'm
pissed at you, guys. I'm legitimately, legitimately legitimately pissy because

(48:05):
talk about meeting the threshold, I've got Bengals minus seven
and a half. We know for a fact that DTR
does not meet the threshold the play quarterback in this league,
So why does this number only move a point and
a half. I understand that it's two and through a
key number of seven, and I understand the variant that

(48:30):
Jamis brings and how bad he can be, But DTR
doesn't even have that upside. He is just an awful,
awful player. He is Zach Wilson level bad at quarterback.
And we know that the Pangles are going to go
out and be able to score points. They do it
every single week, no matter what the competition is. So

(48:52):
how do the Cleveland Browns sniff twenty points in this game?
Somebody asked to all seven and you can put the
stupid sign up. You can put the stupid sign up.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Though, Yeah, that's that's that's what you're doing here, for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Somebody, somebody, All of the idiots have the Browns in
your top five, all of you.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Everyone can score on the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
But Thompson Robinson. You think Dorian Thompson Robinson is just
gonna step on an.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
NFL score less points for the other team. I mean,
jamis you can. I mean he just hands ten points
plus to the other team. You're not gonna get that
with DTR. Probably they're just gonna run the football, reduce
the variants, keep this within one score. And the other
thing here too, isn't everybody gonna click Burrow here against DTR.

(49:46):
Isn't everybody in the contest gonna kick pick the Bengals?

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Well well well they didn't put a ten. They didn't
put a ten next to Cincinnati, So yes, everyone is
going to click Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Okay, so you can't click the free space unless we're
pat stating the wreck.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
They wreck Burrow every time. Isn't this a thing? It happens?

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Okay, so let me just go. Dorian Thompson Robinson has
three starts in his career. Okay. In those three starts,
the Cleveland Brown scored three points, they scored thirteen points,
and they scored twelve points.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
They didn't have Jerry Judy.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Jerry Judy back from the dead. Had Marty though the
other boy. All Right, you gotta have fun, guys, have
fun with Dorian. I can't believe it. You're holding the sign.
You haven't said a damn thing.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
This is gonna be the max leverage spot of the week.
What are you talking about. I don't need to hold
the damn sign like there's gonna be a thousand. It's
gonna be a thousand difference in picks between Bangles and
who's on the brother as they hung.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
The worst line of the year. I don't know what
to tell you, guys.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Contest play contest play contest play.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah, Odb's off the road again, right the Lone Wolves,
I've got the Bangles, Donnie's got the Falcons, Mo has
the Packers, Colts, Eagles and Lions. We've got a couple
of minutes. Le's see if we can go quick on
the card.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Nine eight.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Five free dude, one fire. Okay, we actually have an
interesting spot here because Brett's top pick. I'm going out
of order, but I'm trying to set this up in
case we want to just fire the card real quick.
We've got ten minutes. Brett's top pick was sniped by Moe,

(51:47):
who picked the other side. Brett's second pick was sniped
by Donnie. Brett's third pick was sniped by the collective.
So we're all the way down to Brett's fourth pick.
So the question to Brett is do you want Commanders
plus three and a half or would you like to
fire Thursday Night Football? That's what this comes down.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Oh wow, I think I think I would stay with Commanders.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Okay, then we will move forward with.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I don't have enough conviction on Broncos to get the
card in now and not have some time before Saturday.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
All right, well let's keep it with you. Then, Comy's
your last stump on.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Washington, My last stump, I think stumps.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I mean, come on fire, get get Jayden Daniels, ready
to win a damn football game.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
I wasn't expecting this to be on my card, to
be honest, it's hard for me to get fired up
for this one. But yeah, I just I think there's
too much going against the Eagles here in this game.
But this is also one it's it's tough because we're
not we don't know what's going on. With aj Brown
or Saquan yet either, So I don't know. Maybe I
don't know. How strong do you guys feel about Broncos.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
I think this is this goes back to MO in preseason.
When the Chargers are favorites, click against them, when the
Chargers are dogs, click the other side or click.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
I'm also concerned about Herbert not being one hundred percent
the legitimate pass rush and how they could have been
minus three. That was crazy to me. I just took
the money line here, But yeah, I mean, the Broncos
can get stopped, and I think I don't. I think

(53:33):
Odd might be right man when he just says, maybe
the Chargers just stink like they've been stinking up the
joint weekly for like multiple weeks.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Now, DP, you got that ap pulled up.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Who all right, well then I'll just here, We're gonna
speed run through this. So I've got the Giants because
Michael Pennix MIAs eight and a half is idiotic. Okay,
MO has a low wall fire. Who's your lone wolf.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
I'm having my fun with the Lions when it's nobody
in the world is worth the shit. They're gonna come
out and get stopped, and you know why they're gonna
get stopped, because the Bears will stop themselves. Guys, it
doesn't matter who is on the other sea.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
What are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Tony has my least favorite pick of the year.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Yeah, the Browns dtr all day, Come on DT, I
love it.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
On the card Brett Scott sounds like the Broncos. And
then we'll slam the collective pick which Brett's gonna love
the sounder.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
The Collective chooses the best QB from the twenty twenty
three draft. Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Panthers plus four and a half home dogs against Kyler
Murray and the Arizona Cardinals. Kyler Murray with the absolute
funniest quote this week, confident I've played in the cold before.
No one says it's kind of be below thirty. He
goes out, shit, incredible stuff. Then we got the Panthers

(55:24):
on the card. This was your top cap. Fire it,
fire away, tell me what it is again. Panthers, Giants, Lions,
Brown's Broncos.

Speaker 6 (55:40):
Okay, I'm going to press the button.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Bryce Young, Tim Boyle, Dorri and Thompson Robinson, Bone Nicks
and Jared Goff outside in below freezing temperatures, a collective
stink bomb.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
All right, we're in there.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
We're in there. DP, you had the Panthers as your
number one selection. It made everybody stop five except for
MO talk about it deep.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
The Cardinals are four and a half point public road favorites.
I mean, what in the universe is happening?

Speaker 6 (56:17):
I said it.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
I don't can't remember if it was last week or
the podcast before, but this isn't the Panthers from you
know what, weeks one through six. I can't remember exactly
when they started to, you know, kind of turn things around,
but the Panthers are frisky every week now. Bryce is
playing much better. They're moving the ball like the It
looks like the coaching staff that has turned things around
with some better decisions. On the other side, Arizona's offense

(56:41):
looks ify. I think if you just saw the score
from last week, specifically against the Patriots, you'd be like, oh, yeah,
they whatever, they did whatever they wanted. I don't know,
they didn't look that good. Okay, I don't think they
looked that good, and I watched that game. I think
Bryce Young can continue to play all right and move
the ball against this Arizona defense and keep this one close.
If not, just win the game outright money bet line.

(57:03):
I mean, this is a great spot for the Panthers.
Come on, we you're the lowest on Carolina.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
What are your worries?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, it is a good spot for the Panthers in
the sense of, like, Okay, you have a West Coast
team traveling against a bad team that just took a
dumb last week. They're probably gonna play better. And I
do agree with what Donnie was saying about. Man, that
was so frustrating that Cardinals performance, Like that game should

(57:31):
have been much closer than it was. They got extremely
lucky at multiple points. New England doesn't score on a
three whatever it was they fumbled for six. I mean
that was just so infuriating that that ball, like we
see every week athletic defenders struggling to pick up a
balancing ball and a lumbering lineman just falls on it

(57:54):
perfectly with a foot of space in the back of
the end zone. I mean, well done, but like man,
that was annoying to watch. Yeah, I don't think the
Cardinals looked as good as the score last week. But
I just wonder if the market is honestly kind of
still believing in the Panthers a little bit. When they

(58:14):
put a number like this out there, where like a
month ago, you know, this would have been Cardinals minus seven,
we're seeing a four and a half. I do think
Breakcown's played better as well than the score indicated last week,
even though I was all over the Cowboys. I actually
thought he made some decent throws, but they just got

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buried behind. Just everything went wrong and just one of
those games. Whatever. I just wonder, Like I said, the
market does still seem to be giving the Panthers a
little bit of credit here. I think this line is
pretty close to being fair. And there's a lot of
injuries again on this Panther's defense that is already a disaster.
So yeah, I could see this one getting out of hand.

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But I do suspect the Panthers are the right side.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Knowing from Carolina's perspective that they get Jalen Koger back
from his multi week injury, and as soon as they do,
Xavier to Loget then suffers the hip injury, so as
soon as they get to full strength as an offensive unit,
they lose Lagett. He's definitely trending towards not playing. They've
already given him the doubtful status. But this goes back
to what I was talking about a couple of weeks ago,

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when it comes to motivation and Canalis and the Panthers
building towards something where the Cardinals the wheels have fully
fallen off. You're absolutely right. The Patriots outgained them on
a down to down basis last week, and I could
see this in cold temperatures on the road on the
East Coast with the season over where maybe we can

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get some one, two three kankoon out of the card.
All right, They're a trio of consensus picks that did
not make the card, starting with Cocka the Baltimore Ravens
laying six points against the Pittsburgh Steelers. This made my

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top five, It made most top five. The weather here
is very interesting to me because we are seeing some
projected wins, sustained wins at fourteen miles an hour thirty
seven degrees. We saw it last week and we saw
it the week prior as well. This Pittsburgh offense on
a yards per play basis was in the force without

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their moonball expert George Pickens, who is trending towards missing
this game. Who's already out? Excuse me, he's been given
the out designation three d MPs with the hamstring. So
what is the plan on offense for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Meanwhile,
we've kind of seen last week and especially with this TJ.

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Watt injury. If he goes, he's going to play extremely
injured that you can run with success against Pittsburgh and
you can kind of take the air out of the
ball when it comes to their pass rush by just
running at them and making them work. And Baltimore can
definitely have success with that. And if the Ravens were

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able to establish the lead and extend the lead again,
I don't know how this Pittsburgh offense is built to
catch up with them. We you're with me on Baltimore
laying the points here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Yeah, I need your guys's love and support right now
because I want to bet the Ravens just like I
did last time. And every time I bet on Lamar Jackson,
he walks out into the middle of the field and
shits down his own legs. It happens every time and
every time I try to lay any points with the

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Ravens against the Steelers, they take a dump and I
just am sick of it by looking at this number,
and I just think it should be about seven. You
guys nailed this game last week. Everything you guys said
came true about the Eagles, and this offense is completely
non functional without George Pickens. They cannot move the ball

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when the plan is dump off the Jalen Warren and
short passes to Pat bryar Mouth. I don't know why
on paper this should be a post game, but every
time I think that there's gonna be a muck punt
and there's gonna be lamar, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Gonna say, you know, you know why, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Stupid thing? Really? You know, I know it's gonna happen.
So I'm like terrified to bet the Ravens, but I
think this one should be like eight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Bred I'm sorry, you too have the Ravens in your
top five?

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah? I do. I mean, I agree with Mo. Everything
is pointing to the Ravens here. The Steelers are already
an average football team when you take away what at Pickens.
Arguably they're two most important players given the way they
played football. I don't know what this team is anymore,
and I know Tomlin and the Steelers have played Baltimore
well and Lamar's numbers are dog shit against Pittsburgh, but

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at some point you just have to look at these
rosters and say, like this, this has to be seven.
This has to be seven given what we saw out
of the Steelers last week and the way the Ravens
should be able to exploit the Steelers defense this week.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Okay, we did we all did it again. We're all
taking the points at home with Seattle deja vu as
they play host to an NFC North team, this time
it is the Minnesota Vikings. MO, you have the highest
opinion on this game, but like everybody else, you couldn't
get this into your top five. It bubbled your top
five because I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Don't know what's going on here with Gino Smith. He
looked like he wasn't going to be able to walk
for a month, and now they're saying he's a full
participant in practice. And this is a situation where there's
no margin for air for this Seattle offense. We saw
that last week. You cannot go from Gino Smith to

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any backup in the world, probably because of everything he's
doing to mitigate a horrific offensive line. So it's even
worse when you put the person with the word pocket presence,
who wants to hold the ball the longest of any
quarterback we've ever seen back there. That's the most combustible
combination literally possible in pro football. I think. So if

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Gino isn't one hundred percent, or if he's not even
seventy five, I just don't know how they can function
against a Brian Flores blitz package is coming after this
offensive line. But then again, if Gino is fine, then
how can the Seahawks be getting three years?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
This is a big test for the quarterback on the
other side as well, because the Minnesota Vikings last road
game at Bears was a bomby fifty degrees in Chicago.
When they played at Green Bay earlier in the season,
it was a nice, sunny seventy degrees. So the southern

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California kid who's been playing in domes and playing in
sunshine and playing in nice other had absolutely no problem.
Now we're looking at a game where it's going to
be in the forties, ninety eight percent chance of rain,
could be some Pacific Northwest slop. So this perfect executing

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koc offense where Sam Darnold has been able to be
plopped in and just run. The offense is going to
get tested by a Mike McDonald unit and by the elements,
So I think it's going to be much tougher sletting
for this offense than it is when they're in the
cozy confines of the Dome in Minnesota. But once again,

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terrified of the Seahawks offense that has been just absolutely
piss poor, and that is even before the Gino Smith injury.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I need them to score like fifty points this week.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Let's go best ball the shares. I'm on the opposite.
I have a bunch of vikings. I've got my really
one live lineup in one of the tournaments has a
Packers Vikings week seventeen stack, So I need all Packers.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
All to go off. This sounds very collective twenty twenty
four that the game that both of you guys have
sacks for best ball in and the crunch time is
going to have a monsoon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Yeah, I'm not feeling great about it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
And the last consensus pick that did not make the card,
I have an admission to make you guys. I am
deathly afraid of watching this Netflix stock because I am

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so afraid of falling for it again. Everything in my
functioning brain tells me that the Jaguars are the worst
passing defense in the league thirty second by a three
mile negative zero point two seventy five EPA per dropback
for this season. It is just to put that into perspective.

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I've said this a couple of times. That's like every
week Prime Peyton Manning just stepping onto the field and
playing football. I get it, but it's it's it's a
couple of weeks in a row now. And if you start,
you look at that Seattle game, minus the obviously horrific
pick six to Leo Williams. They moved the ball very comfortably.

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Everything says the Achilles injury is really an eighteen month injury,
but we're entering into those seventeenth and eighteenth months now.
He ran for forty yards last week like he looked
like an athlete out there. And this is kind of
a completely irrelevant game for the Rams, playing an AFC

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team when they have two division games coming up in
weeks seventeen and eighteen, which are ultimately going to side
their fate. So what if these idiot rogers just continues
to tank all draft equity for the Jets, put up
monster performances, throwing to his guy Davante who looked like
he was twenty seven years old again last week, and

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the Jets just go out and win this stupid game.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Out right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
What if all that happened? This bubbled my card. I
wanted to I wanted to pull the trigger, but I
just I just couldn't do it. It didn't make anybody's
top five. Who was the next highest? It was you
DP next highest on the Jet.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
I mean it could happen. Everything that you said can happen, Rogers,
Can I guess screw up your dream like what you want?
I mean, the guy's a pill. Okay, first of all,
let's just get that off our chest here. I mean,
you're gonna like the doc, Okay. I've heard from multiple

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people who have watched it that have said that they
have watched didn't they want to, uh now, hang out
with Aaron Rodgers and guess what, guys, everyone out there,
that's exactly what the doc is supposed to do. Okay,
So good job falling for that one. Everyone's gonna be
on the Rams?

Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
Are the Rams the hottest team right now?

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Like people are like they're gonna win the Super Bowl
because like, who's gonna come out of the NFC. It's
just much just back Stafford, McVeigh, Pooka, like, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
I will say, I have no idea how the Jets
get a single stop in this game. That's the problem.
And that's why I think Jets money line is probably
the play here because this total feels like it's five
points short. Shouldn't this total be in the fifties? Like
I understand it's going to be cold, but if the
Jets offense continues to operate as it has been and

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the Jets defense continues to play as poorly as it
has been, I don't know how they get. Like, if
Brenton Strange is out here shredding your defense, what are
Pooka and Cooper Cup gonna do?

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
But it's bum Stafford in cold weather outdoors. He stinks
outside of it own.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
I hope not yet, but I mean, I don't know
how much. I mean, my concern is that the Jets offense,
which just look good recently, is just that's not real.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
If you zoom out lately, yeah, if you zoom out
on the season for the most part of this team
has been absolute dog shit on offense, so if they
were to revert back to that, not playing the worst
team in the league, you would get zero surprise out
of me. I think. Look from a fans perspective, I
think best case scenario just just beat US thirty one

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to ten. Roger stinks. We can just get over this,
pull the plug, clean, break new GM, new head coach,
new quarterback hell, let Tyrod play next year, bring in
some projects to be behind Tyrod, and do a complete
reset because this quarterback class stinks. I mean, I guess

(01:11:03):
you could. You could sell me on throwing a literal
dart at Jackson Dart on day two.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
But I mean, you don't want Sam Darnold back.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
He would never come back. I don't think why wouldn't
the Vikings just resign him anyway, just give him the
Daniel Jones contract.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
You want JJ.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
That's where it becomes interest, Like would you guys trade
the twelfth pick for JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
I don't think JJ McCarthy is good that you're not.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
We didn't think he was good coming out. We thought
he was overdrafted as is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
But that's the issue with both Sam and JJ McCarthy
is if a non Vikings team signed Sam or trades
for JJ McCarthy, you're not trading for KOC two. I
hope you know that you're not getting the brains of
the operation. You're just getting the person that's throwing the football.
Let's go Broncos. Broncos just absolutely marched down the field
and scored a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Let's out how did they score?

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
I'm behind estimate something Audric got vaulted. Estimate. All right,
that's the pod card is in. Bronco's up seven to nothing.
Hopefully by the time you listen to this, we're already
one to oh and absolutely need five and zero. We can,

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we can finish above five hundred. That is mathematically possible.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Tremendous season or that's what we're going for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Oddly five hundred seems impossible the way the season is going.
That would be amazing if we had five.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Hundred mode drive safe. Where are you now? You're still in?
What do we make it out of Wyoming?

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Definitely not long way to go. If any of the
listeners wants to call me and offer me the sofa
in your living room, let me know I'm driving through Wyoming.
We have any Wyoming listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
At Monora on Twitter n U doublew ar ah. Some
kind of background check is necessary, Okay, I don't want more.
Do we need some serial killer's house? Do we need
some vetting? Yes, if there's any counts is available, my
guy will take it, while the other two at Brett
Colson CEO double L s O N and at Donnie

(01:13:19):
Underscore Peters, I'm at rich T Ryan. We will see you.
No idea next week. By the way, with Christmas, we'll
figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Hey,